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Oct. 18, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4861: Remembering The Fallen Marines; The Next Generation Of MAGA
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brian harrison
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steve bannon
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jesse grapes
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tina descovich
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jake tapper
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
You're going to not get a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
Mega media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Waru.
steve bannon
Here's your host, Stephen K. It's Saturday, 18 October, Year of our Lord 2025.
We're here in Texas today, uh, north of uh DFW.
I've got Brian Harrison joins me for this hour.
And um, because we're focused on grassroots in Texas.
We've also got uh Lee Womsguns is uh Womsgun is gonna be with us.
She's running for the Senate, she's gonna join us co-host for the next hour.
We're also juggling all the uh all the uh information uh we're getting out of the Moms for Liberty Summit down in Orlando, Florida, and we're gonna be going shortly uh about Marine Corps 250 of the 250th anniversary celebration, commemoration in Camp Peneland today, an amphibious assault.
You're gonna get to see live that Amanda Head, John Solomon's partner is gonna be out there hosting that.
We're gonna get all this.
Michael Peck, the great filmmaker's gonna join us in a moment, one of the best filmmakers about the United States Marine Corps.
I want to go back to the summit.
Tina Deskovitz.
Tina, um, quite frankly, you teed it up yesterday for us, but man, this thing is on fire.
The energy, you can feel it.
Uh, the multi-generations, the turning point, we took the whole segment from the turning point kids coming up to the turning point video to Benny Johnson's just amazing witness.
Talk to us or talk to us about your feelings this morning as your summit is literally on fire.
tina descovich
Oh, it's been such a powerful morning.
Uh unfortunately, I've had too many tears already uh this morning through the Charlie Kirk tribute.
Having those kids on stage, seeing the future of America here with Moms for Liberty this year has been very moving and remarkable.
Right now on stage while we're out here is Benny Johnson with our dad's panel.
And I was in there for the first few minutes of it.
The crowd just keeps going crazy in there, so I think they're doing a really good job.
I know uh Terry Schilling is out there and on the stage, and he has seven kids, and he just announced that number eight is on the way, and the crowd just went wild.
steve bannon
Unreal.
And then Benny committed to that, I think number five.
Tina, what what's the what do you want to see come out of this?
The the you've got great speakers, high energy, a broad range of folks.
But what is what's the purpose?
What what are we trying to drive towards?
tina descovich
Well, ultimately we're here to educate and empower to give parents the tools they need to go back in their communities to save not only our country, but we're realizing Western civilization.
It's becoming a much bigger, uh, more broad mission as we do this work.
And so that's the the grassroots hard work that's going on here.
But at the high level, it's just great to be together with your people that uh believe the same, feel the same, have the same mission.
That's what brings the energy and the excitement and the inspiration and really fills all of their cups to be able to go back and do this.
steve bannon
What was it that you did in starting this parental rights movement that so triggered uh the teachers' unions?
I mean, obviously we gotta be blunt.
You've got an enemy in the teachers' unions.
They've targeted moms for liberty as one of their single biggest problems, and uh and they want to make sure you you never get another school district seat that you're driven out of the schools, you're driven out of the libraries.
What was it that you guys brought that drove the teachers' unions to go absolutely nuts?
tina descovich
I think it was that first year when we won like 200 and something school board seats out of the blue.
Uh, they they were panicked.
They've had such a strangle stronghold on education for decades.
You know, when you go in and you meet school board members, I served on a school board.
I was shocked at how many were former teachers union members.
You can't be a member uh while you're on the school board, but you still have the same ideologies in your brain.
And what was happening is you actually were negotiating.
So if you're a teachers union member and you leave the teachers union once you're elected and you're negotiating with the head of the teachers union for everything salaries, taxes, when school starts and stops.
All of these things, yeah, you're just negotiating with yourself.
There's nobody at the table.
There's nobody representing kids or parents.
And it's my opinion that that's why education has just tanked in America.
So moms for Liberty comes on stage, we're like, oh, not anymore.
Parents are taking this back.
And it started with the school board races, you know, we've upset all of their policies and their agenda.
We call them out for their nonsense, and of course they're our enemy.
steve bannon
Bo, uh you you you talked yesterday when we started the broadcast with you anchoring for us in in Orlando that you're a new dad and you're there and you keep looking for the dads, uh the dads for liberty, uh, and it's become a uh it's become pretty big, right?
Benny's on the stage right now.
What does that mean to you?
beau davidson
Well, it means a lot.
Um Tina was just talking about that, saying she was catching some of the panel.
I I think it's a big thing.
For one thing, and I think Tina, we maybe you could address it too.
Is there a future for dads for liberty?
Is that will there be that Benny has intimated it?
Maybe it'll happen, but I'm thinking about um Steve, just the things that I need to be thinking about as a new father.
Uh school choice, parental rights, um, uh parenting in the digital era, screen time, all the things that are being discussed here.
So as I mentioned to you yesterday, Steve, I is a learning experience for me.
And so I kind of want to just ask Tina as well, in terms of being a new dad, and for all those new dads out there, as I look to my school choice for my kid, what are the two or three things I need to be thinking about right now in preparation for the for what's coming for me?
tina descovich
Yeah, and number one, it's actually very basic.
Are is the school using phonics to teach your child to read?
Uh for at least a decade now.
America's been on this uh quest for a new way to teach reading, and obviously it's not working.
We only have a third of kids in America that can read proficiently by fourth grade.
And so number one question when you walk in is are you teaching phonics?
Like, how are you teaching my kid to read?
And so you know, you can go to moms for liberty.org and we've launched uh m4lacademy.org where we are giving that's where all the tools and resources are located.
And we put together a back to school toolkit there you can see the questions that you should ask the teachers and the school to try to select where you're not only where your students should go to school, but you know, what's happening to your child in that school.
We also provide opt-out forms.
So if there's something that's going on there that you don't want to participate in, uh we've given you sample forms and letters that you can use to opt out of the things that might be uh not in alignment with your values.
beau davidson
Yeah, and Steve, you know, I also think that in line with what Tina said, Florida, being here in Florida has set a standard, it's set an example, I think, for what the rest of the country can follow.
And I gotta say, Steve, thank God I'm in this free state of Florida to raise my child.
Uh but these are things I've got to be thinking about now.
And I know there's a lot of dads out there that may not even know what moms for liberty is.
But as Tina just said, you can go on the website and find the resources that you need right now, and that's what I'm gonna do.
steve bannon
Yeah, yeah.
Uh Tina, your social media, the website, where do people go?
Uh, we're gonna be covering this all day.
It's absolutely amazing, but I want to make sure people get the inside baseball.
tina descovich
Moms for Liberty.org is our website.
I'd ask everybody to join and become a member.
It's free, and you can be a dad and be a member too.
We don't have to just be a mom.
So do that so we can stay in touch and we can tell you the things that are going on within our organization.
You can catch us on all social medias, mom number four liberty, and I'm Tina Deskovich on All Socials.
steve bannon
Tina, thank you so much.
Bo, we'll come back to you.
I know we got a bunch of interviews, and Bo, make sure you fill out that uh your uh your membership of Moms for Liberty today.
beau davidson
And we'll do it in the break.
steve bannon
Okay, we'll come back to you guys as well.
unidentified
Tina have you felt like form yet?
steve bannon
Let's let's roll.
Um so the free state of Florida, yeah.
We have two anchors in the MAGA movement.
And look, Ohio's may amazing, Georgia's amazing.
You know, you got all these amazing states that that Arizona, we got they've got the bedrocks, right?
But the foundational elements of Florida and and and Texas, and you guys are very competitive with each other competing.
Now, I I assume that none of these problems we're talking about.
I it's because folks that I know so many Texans, and they you know it's kind of their own republic.
They're so proud of the University of Texas.
They're so proud of Texas AM, University of Texas, uh they brag all the time about their education system.
So I know that all the issues that Tina's talking about in education couldn't possibly be in the state of Texas.
brian harrison
No, as a native Texan who loves this state, who likes to believe that the state of Texas is or should be number one in just about everything.
Uh I hate to say it as an elected official here in Texas.
Florida is just straight up kicking our butts.
steve bannon
Is that serious?
brian harrison
They're they're running circles around.
You mentioned the moms for liberty thing, school choice.
They Florida has been leading the fight against teacher unions.
And the state of Texas, you know, no, I I think uh just passed up probably the biggest teacher union bribe in the history of America last uh session on H you two almost ten billion dollars.
steve bannon
No, impossible.
brian harrison
The teacher unions.
steve bannon
Yeah, do that.
How could that possibly be?
unidentified
Because it's how we this is the this is the Texas Republic of Texas.
steve bannon
I know it's a right to where you guys hate unions.
brian harrison
We we are so well the people do.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian harrison
But the government is all about the teacher unions here in the state of Texas.
And Florida, talk about empowering parents.
I mean, they started the parental empower movement and then 30 years ago passed education freedom to let parents pick where to choose their uh to uh to send their kids to school.
Texas, I think the only Republican state left that didn't have anything until a few months ago.
But unlike Florida, where it's actually universal, and every parent can get to send their kid where they want.
In Texas, our school choice bill, only one percent of parents even get to benefit from this thing, and all the rest of the money was was shoved over to the teacher union.
steve bannon
Since you've paid, you know, you're paying the teachers union done this $10 billion bill, the results must be amazing.
It's worth it's worth it's worth the cash you're giving them.
brian harrison
Oh, it's you either you either laugh or cry, but it we it's an existential crisis, and that's why I'm so grateful for what uh the movement, Moms for Liberty, not just in Florida, but across the country, because we have liberal indoctrination, everyone knows about this.
We talk about you talk about it all the time.
But it's not just the liberal indoctrination is going up, but the fundamentals of education are plummeting.
And even in Texas, this breaks my heart, makes me angry, actually.
Only 24% of Texas eighth graders are proficient in reading.
steve bannon
Oh, full stop, full stop, not in the state of Texas.
Not as proud as you guys are doing.
brian harrison
Only 23% of Texas eighth graders are proficient in math.
So it's a generational crisis.
steve bannon
How can Abbott and these people, how can the political class in Austin accept that?
brian harrison
Um, because the reality is for too long, the teacher unions, which again, the state of Florida has been doing battle with.
And the state of Texas, by the way, should be leading the fight against the liberal Marxist leftist progressive teacher unions.
Instead, we're taxing Texans out of their homes to subsidize the teacher unions to nearly everything that Trump supports.
steve bannon
Walk me through that.
Connect that those.
brian harrison
Yeah, okay.
So the way it happens is so people pay property taxes.
Wherever you are in Texas, you're not a good thing.
steve bannon
And you don't and you don't have a state income tax.
brian harrison
So the property.
So the property taxes, right, we we have them, but they don't have to be the highest in the country.
We have the highest effective property tax rate in the country.
So wherever you are in Texas, when you pay your school property tax bill, I'll walk you through this.
What happens is your local districts, they don't take that money and do what you think they're doing with it, which is give it all to the teachers.
unidentified
Right?
brian harrison
We should be prioritizing the teachers in the classrooms.
What they're doing, they're taking that money and then handing it to liberal extremist organizations like the Texas Association for School Boards, uh, the task of these groups and what they do, they take this taxpayer money and then they weaponize it against conservatives' values, against their beliefs, against their children, and they pay for lobbyists to go down to Austin to lobby for more money for the teacher unions to put boys in girls' sports, um, to have you know men in girls' bathrooms.
This is what you're paying for.
If you pay when you pay property taxes in Texas, these school districts are handing it over to these taxpayer-funded lobbying organizations, and they are lobbying the state government to do everything that conservative Republican Trump voters oppose.
steve bannon
We got a minute or two before we go to break.
Uh, we're gonna bring Michael Pack, the great filmmaker of the United States Marine Corps is gonna join us to kick off the coverage for Marine Corps 250, which we're gonna toss the baton to uh pass the baton to Amanda Head at uh noon here on the war room.
What do people do here in Texas to fight that then?
If they're gonna sit there and go, hey, we want great education, yeah, we don't want the unions driving thing.
It's ridiculous that Florida and Texas are the leaders of kind of the freedom and liberty movement in the country because they're the railhead of MAGA.
How can you possibly have this in Texas?
How do you break it?
brian harrison
Well, I tell people all the time the most important, and I think uh Moms for Liberty, I don't think they would agree with this.
Um I think the most important, most impactful office, political office in America today is is your local school board.
So number one, we gotta have real conservatives run for local office.
That's that's super important.
But number two, demand that the governor of Texas, Lieutenant Governor, and the Texas legislature stop giving even a single penny to the teacher unions, and then we've got to stop this egregious practice called taxpayer funding lobbying, where we take property taxes and hand it over to liberal extremist lobbyists to force the Texas government to again put money back in the hands of teacher unions.
steve bannon
You're paying for your own demise.
I mean, this is what's unbelievable.
brian harrison
Yeah, we're no, we're we're funding the very destruction of the next generation.
The indoctrination of the thing.
steve bannon
It's almost like a Greek tragedy where the hero's strength is actually used against them to destroy them, right?
The The great prosperity and entrepreneurial spirit and the hard work of the populist nationalist uh MAGA is actually used against to destroy their children and their grandchildren.
brian harrison
And it's happening without the knowledge of Texas voters.
Because Texas voters wouldn't stand for this if they knew about it.
And that's why I'm so grateful to the posse and war room crowd for raising awareness.
Because what when Texas voters and voters across the country, when they see the truth, they they don't stand for it.
steve bannon
That's what we're down here in Texas.
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jesse grapes
So I arrived about 20 minutes, 15 minutes after this fight had begun.
And it was at I guess I would call it a bit of a stalemate.
And the reason I say a stalemate is because wounded Marine inside.
Staff Sergeant Chandler organizes a rescue party.
They run in the room, try and shoot everything that they that moves so they can pull this Marine out.
As soon as they run in, what do the enemy do?
They're smart.
They throw grenades in the room.
As they walk into the room, they blow up.
Now I've got two more Marines wounded.
The other two wounded Marines fall into the kitchen and they're trapped in this kitchen.
So now we got four Marines trapped in the house.
Because no one can go in this living room without getting blown up.
Another rescue party goes in, led by a corporal, Corporal Wolf.
Goes in with uh a sergeant, and they try and go in.
Corporal Wolf Wolf gets shot in his flak jacket, falls on the floor.
Sergeant Byron Norwood uh gets shot in the head.
Killed instantly.
lt col willy buhl
Then First Sergeant Brad Castle realizes that there are men in extremis hurt.
He can hear the screams.
He enters the house.
Uh he grabs Marines nearby, takes them in with him, uh, begins to develop the situation inside the house, and in the process of maneuvering uh to an empty room, engages and kills a man at close quarters and is wounded in the process uh by an uh enemy above him.
Uh and in fact, he and his partner, his his uh buddy Lance Corporal Nichols both are stitched down their legs with AK-47 fire.
jesse grapes
These guys are in a very good position, the the enemy.
Uh there was very not a very easy way to get to them.
Um at the same time, all of the these rooms, this the structure is very solid.
Uh, you know, the the construction Iraq is uh very sturdy.
Uh steel rebar, reinforced concrete, uh, and sometimes triple layer brick.
Uh you couldn't shoot a missile through some of these walls.
And uh so we couldn't bring any heavy weapons to bear, couldn't bring any grenades to bear because we had too many of our own men wounded on the inside.
So basically all we could use was our hands and our guns.
Uh so another Marine uh PFC Boswood and myself started taking this sledgehammer to the steel grate of this window.
lt col willy buhl
So the lieutenant goes in without their protective vests and plates on, etc.
through the bars of a window that they manage to pull aside.
This all in extremists.
Uh There's firing going on.
There are grenades being thrown in the house.
There's groups of Marines separated and trapped by this very uh effective defense scheme.
Uh and uh grapes goes in with Bozwood.
Uh they identify the threat above them, they work out a situation a scenario to uh suppress the enemy above them.
jesse grapes
We got four or five guns pointed up at these positions, and just like you'd imagine with a countdown, okay.
You ready?
I'm not sure.
Uh you know, okay, well, we're gonna go on three.
You know, make sure you don't run in front of our guns because we're gonna be shooting.
And the old ready, set, go, and then we start unloading on these guys upstairs, and these two selfless Marines uh run across this kill zone, not once, not twice, but four times uh to pull Marines out of there.
And we had some Marines in some pretty bad situations.
Uh Lance Corbell and Nick or PSC Nickel was bleeding really bad from his leg.
First Sergeant Catzel was carried out by those two Marines who aren't carrying any weapons, but still holding his weapon, uh, ready to fight.
Uh and uh they were in bad shape.
So we had to get them out of there as quickly as possible.
Uh but we still had these two guys in the in the house, and they weren't going anywhere.
Um, and we weren't going anywhere until the job was done.
lt col willy buhl
They managed to get everybody out of the house uh alive, and Byron, uh they managed to get Sergeant Norwin wood out of the house.
steve bannon
Uh I was honored to be the executive producer of I think and I've been told by many Marines one of the most powerful films ever made about the Marine Corps, the last 600 meters, the director, writer, and director, Michael Packed.
And Michael, uh you chronicled, which I think is so important, the the these these kind of forgotten battles, which are huge, really.
If you look at them huge Marine Corps history in Iraq in the Iraq War, the first battle of Fallujah, the battle of Najaf, and then the second battle of Fallujah, which is kind of the Mac Daddy, one of the most intense battles in the history of the Marine Corps.
You do it through the per you do it through the eyewitness account of the Marines that fought there.
Tell us about it.
michael pack
Well, in fact, you're right, Steve.
Fallujah and Najaf are the biggest battles America has fought since Vietnam.
And the purpose of the film is to tell the story from the ground truth in the words and deeds of the people who fought there.
Not whether the war was right or wrong, but what happened in these battles, to tell it uh as a battle story, as if it were Gettysburg or Iwo Jima.
And I think the right way to honor the men and women who've risked their lives for us is to celebrate what they did in battle.
That's how they want to be remembered.
Not discussing PTSD or anything else.
They want it, they want that to be remembered in a fair, truthful way.
And as you know, Steve, we don't really sugarcoat these battles.
They were horrible meat grinders, and we depict them that way.
And that's what counter-insurgency urban warfare is like.
And the film is, you know, as you know, Steve, we completed it a little a long time ago, 17 years ago, and for PBS, and finally they're putting it on this year.
But it's actually more relevant than ever.
Now that, you know, if you look at wars in Gaza or Ukraine, they are very similar, and future wars will be like that too.
And we need to honor these these men and women.
They're mainly Marines.
That's the Marine, you know, you're celebrating the Marines today, but Army Air Force too.
But but mainly Marines, and they are heroic.
You can see it in that clip.
You know, Jesse Grapes, he never would say this.
It takes Willie Buell's head.
Imagine going into Hellhouse where you're your fellow Marines are pinned and taking your Kevlar and armor off to go in.
It's it's mind-boggling.
steve bannon
Then no, the heroism.
That's why today on uh we're gonna have a celebration of this film after what uh over a decade, 17 years.
PBS is finally put.
I gotta give it a little history.
In fact, I'm gonna hold you through the break.
I gotta juggle this Imam Slurby, I gotta tell the story.
So Pack, so he's first off the longest standing guy that hung in with President Trump in the first term, three years, would not bend to Mitch McConnell.
They destroyed Michael Pack.
I say he's my hero because they destroyed Pack every day when he was gonna take over Voice of America and everything.
And he says, I'm not gonna stop, I'm gonna get confirmed.
And eventually Trump says, stick in there, we're gonna get you confirmed.
It happened.
But in the Bush administration, Michael was put in to basically be the content because it was so out of control to be a content guy.
The left went nuts.
The Bush administration folded as they always do.
But going out the door, they told Pack, hey, we'll give you as much money as you need or money to go shoot the phone book if you want to.
And Pat came and he had this idea that, hey, this war in Iraq, it's so high-tech.
You got, you know, everything from Schwarzcroft, Nasmore Advance.
Oh, make a thing about the high-tech part of the war.
And Pac goes and does his reshirts.
He comes back in about six months and goes, hey, you know what?
I actually realized I'm wrong that this war is gonna be fought at the gunmen to gunmen.
It's gonna be down to 600 meters.
And that's why this film is so incredible.
You actually see what Marine rifle squads go through.
This is when they call them grunts, you're seeing the grunt work.
I mean, Michael, it's so intense because it's all eyewitnesses accounts of these battles in Iraq that really the media never covered, particularly the urban warfare that they had to go through, sir.
michael pack
I think that's right.
And that accounts for today, the veterans of these wars are not adequately celebrated.
I'm glad that you're doing it.
Whatever you think of the war, these young men and women risk their lives for us.
So I'm really happy that they are getting a chance to be celebrated.
And their efforts were heroic, as you see in that clip, but but throughout the entire 90 minutes of the film, and it's it's we see it from the level both of the people on the ground and the people, the grunts, as corporals and sergeants, but then a couple levels up, you know, up to the one-star generals that were actually in the field, knowing back in Washington.
Yeah, we think it's ground truth, what it's like in this in these battles.
And that's the way to celebrate uh the Marine Corps is to understand what it's like to fight.
So I think it's great that PBS is putting it on.
It's gonna be on the day before Veterans Day, November 10th at 10 p.m., all around the country.
So I think it's a great time, a great slot.
So happy that and um we're happy to celebrate the Marine Corps.
steve bannon
November 10th, it's also the Marine Corps' official 250th birthday.
We're gonna be doing a lot with Michael.
We're not gonna be out in Pendleton today, but we're gonna do a lot around the 10th.
Also, we're doing, aren't we doing on the October 30th?
Aren't we doing a live screening of this in Washington?
michael pack
We are indeed.
We're screening it on October 30th, and we're gonna try to get a lot of the veterans to come.
My wife, who's my business partner and was an executive producer along with Steve, is working to reach out to all of them.
And a lot of them, you know, want to come.
Not all of them are even in the area.
I mean, it's been a long time.
Uh, you know, we were lucky to be able to interview them two years after the battle when their memories were fresh, and they look like they do in the footage.
Now it's 17 years later.
They've all had their own complicated lives.
But many of them really want to come.
And those that aren't coming want to watch it and tell their families to watch it.
And you're right that even though it's never been broadcast on PBS, it's sort of people have heard about it.
People talked about it.
You and I, Steve, took it to a bunch of military bases a while ago to raise money.
People have heard it, they've been waiting for it.
People remember it even 17 years later.
I think it's broadcast and its screening will be a big event.
And I and I hope we can get some of the veterans from the Trump administration to come too.
steve bannon
We're gonna do it big.
Uh, Michael, hang on for one second.
I gotta the um I gotta have you tell the story when you come back on the day of Marine Corps 250 out in Camp Pendleton.
Um just extraordinary.
Michael Pax is the nicest generalist command guy.
Why they hate us?
Why are they so fierce content?
They threw him out the first time, right?
They won't show his film after 17 years.
They've never put it on PBS, and they paid for it, and three years of torture to get confirmed, to get confirmed by the United States Senate in President Trump's first term, short commercial break.
We're coming back to PAC.
We're in Texas with Harrison.
We're going to the moms to Liberty Summit in Orlando, Florida.
Back in a moment.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Back.
steve bannon
Okay, today in the war room, we are going, we're in Orlando with the umster Liberty Summit.
We're here in Texas, talk about the grassroots movement, uh, this burgeoning grassroots movement in Texas.
We're also going to be at Camp Pendleton, Real America's Voice Amanda Head for Marine Corps 250.
I want to go back to the Marine Corps' uh official birthday, which is 10 November.
Michael, you gotta be so proud that and that MP now 17 years ago they financed this film.
As soon as they saw it, they go, No, we're not showing this because it's not about the politics of Iraq.
It's about the heroism of this young generation, and they wanted no part of that.
Uh, but to select you to be what they're gonna show on the evening of the 250th anniversary, the commemoration of the Marine Corps is very powerful.
And here's how powerful the film is.
When Michael, we took it around a bases and the show we showed it to Marines, and they loved it.
It was it had an impact on them uh because it said, look, this thing doesn't put it.
It's no phony glory here.
This is not a Hollywood production.
This is just grit and determination and and true the the essence of courage when you have to do it against all odds, you're just going door to door, and you could tell the entire time this is a thankless, thankless job, right?
So uh you took it around though to force recon.
Now, the marine corps, they don't have a special forces.
They say they're all special forces, but the special force of the marine corps is what's called force recon.
And these are the ones that hit the beach, particularly in the Pacific, uh, early.
You took it around to, I think uh uh gathering uh alumni of force recon.
These guys got to be in their 80s or 90s at the time.
And Pac Joseph afterwards says, he says, Hey, you know, I'm taking it to the bravest of the brave.
All these guys sit there and go, I I couldn't, I couldn't do what these kids do.
And Pac's sitting there going, Hold it, hang on, you're the bravest of the brave.
What are you talking about?
And he said, Hey, in World War II, we were clear hitting the beach, we clear cut everything.
You don't give up an inch.
You don't hey, you're not taking any prisoners.
We're just going, right?
Because with 17 and 18-year-old kids, what these guys did, men and women had to kick down those doors and go in.
And what 250,000 uh people in Fallujah, they sucked them all in.
They wanted all the bad guys from Chechnya, they wanted all the bad guys in one place, and they had to go door to door, room to room, to clear it.
Michael Pack, uh, your thoughts about the the greatest generation's greatest saying that this was more powerful than anything they had done.
michael pack
It was very moving.
I I wish the veterans that of the film were there with me.
They were saying that, yeah, when they were clear island hopping in World War II, when they were at an Iwo Jima or or or any of those islands, they were they were sent to the islands ahead of everybody else, right?
They're forced recon.
But they said if we, as they used a politically incorrect word, if we saw a Jap, we killed them.
That was it.
We didn't have to think about it.
These guys have to sort stuff out.
Who's civilian?
Who's is this woman, you know, with carrying water, feet feeding her family, or she having hiding IED?
They have to sort things out that they would never have been able to do at 17.
And they were really amazed by their courage and by the sophistication required of these these young men and women.
It was really moving.
I mean, after I we showed the film, there was silence.
I thought, well, I wonder what they're thinking.
And then they came out with all the stuff.
And they all agreed.
Absolutely, every one of them felt the same way.
And so I think the audience will feel that way too.
By the way, Steve, you're always saying I'm a nice guy.
But uh I do think that the opposition to me, both when I was working for President Trump and previously, you know, at CPB and elsewhere, wasn't personal.
Uh, I never thought the people who were out to get me didn't like me personally.
Most of them didn't know me.
I think it was all about maintaining the left's complete control of the media.
And they did not want to give an inch.
And in both of the many of these cases, I represented a little bit of a crack, and even a little crack was not enough.
And it was too much, rather.
And they wanted to destroy me for that reason.
Not because they dislike me.
It was never personal.
And you know that as well as anybody, Steve.
steve bannon
Mike, you're uh Michael, you're a true hero.
Uh, where do people go to get to the company, to your content, social media?
And once again, 10 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on the 250th uh birth commemoration of the birthday of the Marine Corps, November 10th, nationwide on PBS.
And uh and then uh give the October 30th of what we're gonna do, and how can people possibly get tickets for that?
michael pack
Well, the they can my social media is uh Michael Pack underscore on X, but I recommend they go to our websites.
The the one that um for the last 600 meters is Manifold Productions, M-A-N I F O L D Productions.com.
And the one for our more recent work is Palladium Pictures, P-A-L-L-A-D-I-U-M Pictures.com.
But you you know, you can navigate from any of them.
And and and we have a lot of other content, uh, including other ones about war, but about politics and history.
And uh, you know, a lot of them are free or or streaming somewhere, and uh I recommend them all.
And we have this event uh on October 30th.
It's at the Navy Memorial.
If people want to come, they they should probably reach out via our website.
My wife is in charge of those invitations, and they're going kind of fast.
Um maybe Steve, it's an event you could even cover.
Uh but of course you will be there, so that'll be good.
And veterans will be there too.
So it'll be a way to honor people in person.
And we hope we can get piece Pete Hexaf or Tulsi Gabbard or someone from the Trump administration that was a veteran to come too to honor these veterans that are there and sort of in advance of the um anniversary of the Marine Corps and and the and um and veterans day.
steve bannon
to the tip of the tip of the spear.
Michael Pack, thank you so much.
Honor to have you on here this morning.
unidentified
Thank you.
michael pack
Thank you, Steve.
Great to be on your show.
steve bannon
Let's go to Bo.
We're gonna go back to the summit.
We've got some very special guests.
Bo Davison is there for an interview.
Bo, what do you got for us, brother?
Bo, what do you got for us?
beau davidson
Steve, you're gonna love this.
We talked earlier about the generational component, the generational legacy of moms for liberty, and I'm joined now by Reagan and Owen.
These are two junior patriots, and and I just found out about this just minutes ago.
But basically, they've started a pilot program for turning point USA for middle schoolers.
So we're talking about even the generation even younger than what we see at typical turning point USA events, which is incredible.
And they've got these build the bears, which we'll get to in a minute.
But Owen and uh and uh Reagan, I want to talk to you guys first.
So Reagan, you're the president of this new chapter, and Owen, you're the vice president, is that right?
unidentified
Yes.
beau davidson
All right, so Reagan, why why did you start this?
unidentified
Well, so I went to SaaS this summer and I met Charlie from and I like not hung up hung out with him, but like I talked with him for like four days.
And then I I did it, and I brought it up to him.
Why don't we start a middle school chapter?
And it was like uh meh at first, and then it was like, okay, then we'll start the program and we'll try it.
And so if everything goes well, then it will be open to pretty much the whole world next year if everything goes well this year.
beau davidson
And it's going well so far.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
beau davidson
And this is in Landalakes, right?
Landelix.
Okay, Owen, tell me more about it and your role as vice president.
unidentified
Yes, so we started me a couple like last week ago.
We were and we were at the me, we were doing like just grouping up, seeing all the people who joined in, and then we celebrate Charlie Kirk's birthday after, and when we post it on our Facebook and social media, it went very viral.
beau davidson
Wow, that's incredible.
Reagan, tell me about you, you got to meet Charlie.
You got to hang out with him for a bit.
I'm so glad you got the chance to meet him.
What what was that like?
And like what what did it mean to you now since you've been inspired to start this new chapter?
unidentified
It was very special for me.
So um a fun thing was um so we were I was listening to him speak, and then he actually signed my 4 H jacket on air because I it was the first time that 4H was represented at a TP USA SaaS event, and it was it was just like my not mind-blowing, but like more than that.
It was like life-changing for me.
beau davidson
It's kind of funny that you had to convince Charlie to do it because I would think he would see this and be like, yes, yes, yes, we need to do it.
But thankfully you have started it.
It is a pilot program, and I want to get to these bears.
So Owen, you you go to build a bear, and everybody knows you can go build a bear, uh, any kind you want.
But these are special, these are like Charlie Kirk bears, right?
So explain that.
unidentified
So we went there and we got bears.
He found like a suit where he wears the like his old fans.
beau davidson
Let's take a look at it.
Go ahead.
unidentified
And then we have his shoes, his mouth.
beau davidson
The red tie, the microphone, the Starbucks.
Can you see the Starbucks cup?
That's awesome, too.
Okay, so that's your design.
unidentified
All right.
beau davidson
And then some of them actually play messages.
So Reagan, you have one, if I could see it.
That when you press the button on his hand, and we're gonna put this as close to the mic as I can.
unidentified
here's what happens Do it for me, Reagan.
It's time that we start talking to the next generation.
Not talking down to the next generation.
beau davidson
It's time to start talking to the next generation and not talking down, and that's what's in there.
So, Steve, you you can you can hear that in these build to bears that the the the brilliance of this, they've not just designed the build to bear, they have actually put an audio recording of Charlie's voice.
The level of of innovation of charisma of leadership of these new junior patriots is blowing my mind right now.
The fact that they would think to not just start the chapter, but then have this tool, this educational tool of uh of a build-a-bear.
steve bannon
Hey, Reagan, let me ask you a question because I knew Charlie, you know, extremely well, and uh, you know, he was a uh obviously very unique guy.
He followed us on Real America's Voice for four years.
And knowing how Charlie thought, when Charlie, because he's always thinking about how you mitigate risk, how you do things and drive organizations, but Charlie was very thoughtful and thinking through.
What did you how did you talk him into it when you originally said, I don't know, I gotta think about it.
What did you tell, what did you tell Charlie Kirk to sell him on the idea?
unidentified
Well, so it was like a maybe idea at first, like I said, and then so what happened was he was like, okay, let's do it, we'll give it a try.
Um, we'll see what happens.
And so that's how it got started.
And so far, everything's going well.
And we had our first meeting on October 14th, actually.
steve bannon
So amazing.
Uh guys, just fantastic.
How do we get they have social media?
Is there a website?
Bo, where do we go to follow them?
beau davidson
It's a good question.
I don't know.
With junior patriots, I don't know.
Do you have social media?
unidentified
We do.
We're on Facebook and Instagram for Club America Junior Patriots.
Um, they froze.
steve bannon
Okay, well, let's just make sure we get it up.
Amazing.
Talk talking, Charlie Kirk and talking Charlie Kirk into something.
Charlie was very had a certain way that he rolled.
I just think it's great.
That's one of the best stories I've uh I've heard.
It's also one of the reasons I never work with kids or dogs, right?
They still they're complete, they steal the scene.
No.
Absolutely fantastic.
And I think it's so great that they came after Michael Pack, and you talk about the sacrifice.
And this is why I say the reason, even as dark as you think it is.
The reason I think uh, and I said this on the Tucker interview the other night.
I feel absolutely great.
Because you see this younger generation.
I think the young men are the most based generation in the world.
And one of the reasons I said guys from 18 from 18 to 30, the reason is what their uncles and brothers uh and uh did in in the Iraq and Afghan war, and you see this, you're gonna see this in the last six hundred meters.
When you can impress the force recon Marines at Peleloo and Tarawa, and they sit there and go, hey, what these kids did is in much more, you know, it's much more powerful than what we did because we were just clear-cutting and told you don't back up an inch and anything in front of you just gonna get shot.
These kids had to do it differently.
That's passed down to America.
And you see these kids right there just doing a great job.
Okay, we got Harrison, a lot of news report out of Texas.
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
I want to thank our production team, everybody working in Denver today, also my production team here on the road in Texas.
Just a great job juggling things.
Of course, we're going to be tossing to Amanda Head and the team out in Camp Pendleton.
So today, across the country doing all this live, and I want to thank Harry and the team at uh at the summit, just doing an incredible job.
Uh the reason I wanted to come down here, I felt I needed to come down here to Texas, all the great you know, sponsorship we have of the Texas people.
And the we have a huge audience in Texas.
And every time we've asked them to do something, whether it's fight to the in the Paxton uh impeachment effort or recently in the redishing, which would have not gotten done without this audience and really putting your shoulder to the wheel with the other crash roots.
Texas is under fun, people understand the centrality of Texas in American history, in American culture, in American mythology.
Remember John Ford said uh when uh when the legend becomes fact, print the legend, right?
Texas is Texas is known all over the world, yeah, right?
Not just for Westerners, but for this ethos of what Texas is about.
It's the reason that Texas is a target.
Now, we just had this Antifa thing John Solomon talked about.
I want to talk to you about that internationally, they're coming, but also internally.
We we make a big deal here, how we thwarted, because when I was at Breitbart, it was you know, Soros is coming to Texas, putting 300 million dollars you get you got a bait, what Bador work and all these folks.
And we said we beat that back, but in the process, I learned in beating it back, uh, there was something deeper than just Soros.
We have a problem that's deeper than just Soros' money.
We have a culture, and there's no place in this country with a bigger divide between the MAGA grassroots, populist nationalist base, and the political culture, not even just the politicians, a political culture.
So walk me through that first, and I'm gonna get to the Zantifa.
brian harrison
Well, something I know you and I have uh spoken about many times, Steve, and the posse gets this.
I mean, we we need to never lose sight of what time it is in America right now.
We're in a battle for nothing less than the future of Western civilization.
And I firmly believe as goes Texas, so goes the nation, as goes the nation, so goes the world.
And even though the state of Texas, you talk about the divide between sort of the the rhino weak liberal establishment and sort of the Trump supporting conservative the pro-liberty base voters of Texas, it's just as big a divide between the perception of Texas.
You know, people believe Texas is the number one state for liberty, freedom, low taxes, low regulation, small government prosperity.
But the reality is we've just been coasting on that reputation.
Even though Texas isn't talked about as a battleground state politically very often, the make no mistake about this.
I firmly believe Texas is the crown jewel in the left's plan to conquer our nation.
If we lose the state of Texas, we'll never have a conservative Republican in the White House.
And then Texas voters got to know this.
We're not always going to have a bold, strong president like Donald Trump in the White House.
And it's going to be incumbent on the big states to hold our country together, especially the next time we have some leftist progressive in the White House like Joe Biden, who was, you know, undermining law enforcement, throwing the border wide open to bring in 10, 20 million illegals and terrorists and drug cartels and everything else.
So Texas is the line of the same, it's a straight line.
But to from Texas to the future of our country and the future of Western civilization.
And we've got a weak establishment liberal, um, sort of core body of people that have been controlling this state for a generation now, too long, if you ask me.
And they're totally lost touch with the Texans and with our ethos, rugged individualism, self-reliance, freedom, liberty.
These are the principles they made our state and our country great, but but far too often, establishment weak Republicans are selling out the voters of the state of Texas.
And in doing so, they're selling out the future of our country.
steve bannon
No, this is why it's more insidious than just uh you know the money of Soros and Soros' kids in these left-wing groups.
Right.
Because you can kind of see that coming.
But to know that they already really control the school system here, that it's not an independent school system.
You got the teachers' unions who are some of the worst.
You've got this infection has has hit the, you know, people in Texas are so proud of the university of Texas system, Texas AM system, Texas Tech, and the private schools, and you see that the this cultural Marxism is so deeply embedded.
All the work that you guys have done, and still they're doing train and only if you out them, only if you go in and say and show video of these professors, right?
But that's just the surface of it.
It's a systemic problem.
brian harrison
Right.
I mean, why why does it take people like me going on shows like War Room and showing undercover video and audio of leftist progressives who have been put in charge of our most cherished institutions like my alma mater, Texas AM.
But I mean, here's the bigger question why the hell are leftist progressives being put in charge of anything in the Texas government?
It's absolutely outrageous.
So not only are we not this low tax state like people think.
I mean, highest effective property tax rate in the country.
I have people in my office, Steve, all the time in tears.
They don't know how they're gonna be able to stay in their homes and their property that have been in the family for generations that paid for.
And for what?
So the Texas government can fund but what's basically the the Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, AOC, uh Hakeem Jeffries agenda of DEI and transgender indoctrination.
Hell we give it 1.5 billion dollars.
We voted this just this last session to liberal Hollywood.
I mean, the the worst type of crony corporatism and corporate welfare is going on down here in the state of Texas.
Taxpayers are being forced to fund the indoctrination of the of the next generation, all at a time when education rates are are plummeting, and we've got to, we've got to, you know, people gotta take their heads out of the stand.
And unlike in DC, where sort of the teams that identify themselves, you know, radical Democrats, left-wing media.
In Texas, people think if an elected official calls themselves a Republican, that they support President Trump, they support the principles of our founding, they support freedom, liberty.
And the reality is I've never seen anything as undermined, as duplicitous, as dishonest as elected Republicans who campaign saying, Oh, vote for me, I'll stand up to the radical left.
I'll fight the Democrats, but then when nobody's looking under the pink dome in the Capitol of Austin, they vote to empower those very Democrats and collude with them to destroy liberty in our great state.
steve bannon
Brian was had one of the most powerful jobs in the first term, which is chief of staff over at HHS because that's such a behemoth.
One lesson we've learned here in the war room in Texas.
If you expose it, people jump on it and go, No, that's not gonna happen.
We've had huge victories.
It all comes from the same thing.
Getting information out to the uh to the Texas grassroots.
Once you get them on something, they can't be stopped.
They can't be beaten.
And the establishment in the state knows this, and the left knows this.
Uh, I've asked Brian to stick around for the top of the next hour.
We're also going back to uh, we're gonna go back to the uh summit.
Uh hopefully Lee's here.
She's out door knocking today, as every candidate should do, trying to get Lee.
Uh, and then uh obviously we're gonna do a transition to Amanda Head and Marine Corps 250, live all day today, all afternoon today from Camp Pendleton, California, where the Marines are gonna show you what an amphibious assault looks like.
I think a couple three things will be blowing up today.
So if you want action, stick around on Real America's Voice.
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