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Oct. 17, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4859: Big Tech Data Centers Crush American Energy
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dave walsh
06:24
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steve bannon
19:31
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ben harnwell
02:15
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brian harrison
04:34
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dave weigel
01:11
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matt palumbo
02:41
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mike lindell
03:49
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stephanie ruhle
01:01
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steve cortes
04:11
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jake tapper
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not gonna stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
steve bannon
Friday, 17 October, year of our Lord 2025.
So much going on today.
Let's just get with it.
Look, the the coalition that that won in 2024, of course, it's the populist nationalists of the regional MAGA movement.
We're but bringing in new allies, make America healthy again, right?
Nicole Shanahan and Bobby Kennedy, and of course, the parents' rights movement, a lot of folks that were not Maggard, you know, didn't want to hear Trump's name.
We got in there, and you know, moms for America, moms are liberty, these groups are amazing.
Uh, I do want to say, I'm glad they're in Florida.
No need to come to Texas, because Texas is fine, right?
No teachers' union, uh best education.
I mean, give me some good stats here.
brian harrison
I wish, I wish I could.
It's gonna break my heart.
But you know, a lot people think a lot of things about Texas.
But baking.
steve bannon
I think you got a great education system, no teachers union, and you and the parents are running the deal as they should.
brian harrison
Let me break your heart, my friend, okay.
And this is gonna make it's gonna break hearts, it's gonna make people mad, especially if you pay taxes in the state of Texas, okay.
The left has understood that if they can take over the education, this is an erasement.
steve bannon
Amen.
brian harrison
That they could change the whole trajectory of not just personal.
steve bannon
The Bolshevik the Bolsheviks knew it.
That comes from Marxism.
unidentified
Right.
brian harrison
And so the conservatives, we're we're about a generation behind.
We're playing catch-up, and President Trump gets this, but Texas elected officials unfortunately don't.
And this is I was shocked to learn when I got elected down here.
Only 24%, Steve, of Texas eighth graders are proficient in reading.
Only 23% of Texas eighth graders are proficient in mathematics.
And not only do we still have teachers.
steve bannon
That sounds like Chicago.
brian harrison
Yeah, 20%.
steve bannon
Not Texas.
brian harrison
Not even a quarter.
And we're spending $19,000 per kid per year in tax dollars, and not even a quarter are proficient in reading and math.
But here's the worst part of it.
It's not just that education rates are plummeting because the left took over.
Liberal indoctrination's on the rise.
And not only has Texas not gotten rid of teacher unions, the state.
steve bannon
What do you mean they're saying the unions down here in Texas?
brian harrison
And so we've got teacher units.
It's a myth that Texas doesn't have teacher unions.
Not only do we have them, but the Texas government is forcing, as we speak, the hardworking overtaxed men and women of the state of Texas are funding the teacher unions.
Every time you pay property taxes in Texas, your money is going to leftist indoctrination, including the teacher unions.
And by the way, it's not a Republican-Democrat split in Texas.
It's freedom versus tyranny.
It's conservative versus liberal and a massive chunk of elected Republicans in Texas, so-called.
When I got elected four years ago, maybe a quarter of the Republican caucus in the Texas House was literally endorsed by Randy Weingarden teacher unions.
steve bannon
Here's one thing I want to ask.
West Texas, which is one of the uh the true patriots of uh the salt of the earth.
I mean, this is the backbone of America.
When I looked at the Republicans and how they voted, you said, well, they're actually all teacher union Democrats.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
They just call themselves Republicans so they can get in.
But they're all Democrats, they're all supported by Randy Weingarten.
brian harrison
No, and it's in a weird way we're sort of cursed by our own success and how conservative Texas is, these radical leftist Democrats, they know they wouldn't have a snowball's chance of getting elected if they ran as a liberal Democrat.
So they put the word Republican by their name, but they still go run around and take teacher union money and push leftist indoctrination uh in our kids.
And it's an absolute outrage.
We got to ban taxpayer funded lobbying.
We still haven't done that.
steve bannon
You talk about indoctrination.
Steve Cortez joins us.
Steve, we started with the speech of Peter Navarro on populist nationalist policies in the lines den of the Council on Foreign Relations.
We were gonna cut live to you for your speech.
You're up at the Davos of really North America up in Toronto.
But uh we we had a scheduling issue.
They said, no, they saw what Cortez was gonna say, no speech.
What's happening up there, brother?
steve cortes
Well, but I did get interviewed on stage.
So I did present, but I was sent out effectively with a mind, uh, right?
With with an with an interviewer, uh, who I think was to some degree trying to babysit uh this populist nationalist crazy man from the United States.
And yes, Steve, this is really the Davos of the Americas.
It's the Forum of the Americas.
This is the Toronto Global Forum.
Uh, it's a really impressive group of people, by the way.
I mean, a bunch of CEOs, a bunch of top government officials from all over the Americas.
Uh, But it's clearly, as the name would imply, it is a very globalist place, a place that is very frustrated with America first, frustrated with President Trump, and with our newfound guts when it comes to trade.
So what I did from the stage today, and I will credit them again, you know, for an audience that generally doesn't agree with us on very much.
I will credit them for at least giving me the opportunity to make our case on trade.
But what I tried to counsel them about, these international business folks and uh politicians, is that populism is here to stay in the United States.
It's clearly not a fad, okay?
This is a new era.
Um, and and the populism is either going to be the populism of the left, uh, which by the way, all of you powerful folks will absolutely detest, okay, or it's gonna be the populism of the right.
It's going to be our version of patriotic nationalism.
It's going to be MAGA populism.
But the, but the it's either or, in my view, it's binary.
So stop wishing that we're going to return to a prior era because we are not.
We are not going back to the 2015 Republican Party.
We're not going back to 2015 and previous um American constructs and and policies.
We're not going back to that, quote, so-called free trade era in which American workers got completely abused by the rest of the world, not just by China, by the way, that's the worst abuse, but even by our supposed allies.
Um, and that we have a an entirely new economic regime.
That's chaotic.
It's hard for people to deal with because it's volatile, um, but it's the reality, and it's right.
It's just for the United States.
And so I tried as pleasantly as I could uh to make that powerful populist nationalist case to an audience that is frankly not all that receptive.
steve bannon
You've got Navarro's been invited to the Council of Foreign Relations, which is the inner sanctum of the globalist uh in in the United States.
You've got you've been invited up to this uh Davos of North America up in Toronto.
Are are they trying to actually listen and say we see these guys coming?
Because you see this in DC all the time, where they'll take a meeting, oh, they're listening, but the entire time the wheels are spinning to get let's we need a workaround, right?
Well, because Trump's just a passing summer storm, you know.
unidentified
Right.
steve bannon
Uh Bannon and Cortez and Navarro and the Harrisons, they all go away when Trump goes away.
So we just got to figure out, we gotta listen to these guys and figure out how to wait them out.
Is that what they're trying to do?
Or you think they're actually being open that Mondami and Luigi Manjoni have now awakened these guys the fact that the left populism, you know, has bullets, guillotines, and appropriation of their wealth, uh, where we're trying to build an entrepreneur society.
steve cortes
Yeah.
No, listen, I I think unfortunately, I take the more cynical view that for now, they still think can we last another three years effectively and get past this era of Trump and then things will be just fine.
Uh, but again, I'm here to try to tell them the opposite uh that that populist nationalism in the United States uh is bigger than just President Trump.
He's of course the indispensable leader of our movement, but it's bigger than him.
It predated him.
It will go on beyond the Trump presidency.
And again, yeah, to your point, look, it's either going to be the populism of the left, which comes with a knock at the door and a confiscation of your wealth and your freedom, or it's going to be our version of populism, which is all about building a prosperous society, which is making sure that wealth is dispersed throughout the country, making sure that families can thrive on one single income.
You know, I talked to the audience today actually about that aspect.
And I think just from the looks in people's faces, they were sort of shocked that I would even mention that.
I think they view that as somehow retrograde.
Uh, and look, we're not telling anybody they can't go to work, that they can't be a two-parent working family, but we're saying, but Americans should have the option.
Um, and the fact of the matter is, when I was a boy, which wasn't that long ago, the typical middle class family in America could do that, could thrive on a single income.
Why can't that happen today?
Well, one of the reasons is terrible trade policies, one of the absolute driving reasons.
And we are not going to relent on this.
We're going to create the society we want.
We're going to create the kind of broadly dispersed prosperity that we deserve.
Uh, and again, I'm warning them this is no phase.
Uh, this is an era.
It is a new era in America.
And if you want to interact with this new era in America, uh, you better come to terms with it.
And you better be reciprocal to our goods and services into your country and be prepared, no matter how reciprocal you are, be prepared to pay a toll.
You have to pay for access to the crown jewel Consumer market of the world.
We have earned that right as Americans through hundreds of years of sweat and toil and innovation.
We have earned the right to charge a toll, uh, a correct toll to get in and have access to the American market.
steve bannon
Cortez, what is uh all your uh you've got documentaries coming out, interviews coming out, writings coming out.
Where do people go to get all of it?
steve cortes
Yeah, please go to Cortez Investigates.com.
I've got a new trailer up, new Maha documentary backing RFK Jr.
That's going to be out on Monday, Cortez Investigates.com.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Told you's a coalition, Maha, the parents' rights movement, hardcore MAGA, populist nationalists.
Let's go in.
When we talk about going after and making sure that the left uh is deconstructed here, the tip of the spear is Palumbo and these and what's happening at Treasury, what's happening at IRS.
Uh Matt, how serious is this threat now that George Soros is kind of off the playing field?
How big a threat do you actually see the sun?
Isn't he kind of a putz?
Or is he somebody we should take even more serious than the dad?
matt palumbo
He um he definitely sounds like a putz, but I don't I don't think he actually is.
He just doesn't exactly have a talent for public speaking.
But you know, he he's not a dumb guy like his father.
He had been learning from his father for a while, uh, you know, his entire life and had been accompanying accompanying him on trips uh all around the world and meeting with people like Hillary Clinton from a very young age.
And uh there's actually a funny anecdote I um found when researching for the book.
Um in the early 2000s, his father called him The Apprentice and was actually referencing Donald Trump's TV show at the time, and you know, obviously could never have imagined that 20 years later he would be the one uh going after them.
But you know, so it was in June 2023 that Alex Soros um took over the OSF, and I I remember when it happened because I had just predicted on a show 10 minutes prior that he would take over, and it was like the first time one of my uh predictions ever really panned out.
Uh, but I in researching for the book, I um found that it seems like he really took over European operations of the Open Society Foundation as early as 2015.
So a lot of the activities there and really the past decade were Alex.
Alex took over the board of the Open Society Foundations in December of 2022 and probably had outsized influence before then.
So he already was running the show to a very large extent.
But even George is still maintaining some political control.
And we we know that he's still meddling because he still runs his hedge fund and had been making headlines ahead of the 2024 election, where the Biden FCC facts tracked his purchase of a number of radio stations ahead of the election at a rate that our current FCC chair says was unprecedented and also is going to be looked into.
So he is still manipulating uh, you know, he he is still has influence behind the scenes, um, probably both with the open society foundation, even though Alex is running it, but even through his hedge fund, he's still he's still pulling the strings politically.
steve bannon
Well, now he's in the gun sites of the uh uh of the Treasury Department IRS, and so we're gonna see a lot of action.
I know as they try to bob and weave, but uh Scott Besson's on the program.
When does the book come out?
Can we get the cover and put up?
Where do people pre-order the book?
We this is another one we want to drive like Navarro's and Eric Trump's.
We need as a movement to drive this to top of the New York Times bestseller list.
Palumbo's done the original book on Soros, I think it's the best bio, investigative bio.
Now he's come out with the apprentice, which is the kid, and that kid's got a lot of stroke with the amount of money they've got and the connections they have and the radical left, and they're financing a lot of it.
Uh, this guy's quite dangerous.
So where do you go for the book, Palumbo?
matt palumbo
So it's uh, I guess they always say uh wherever books are sold, but uh Amazon's probably 99% of that at this point.
It's out October 28th, and uh with the last book, I sold, I think the first week, three or four times as many as you need to be in the New York Times bestseller list, and they actually snubbed it.
So uh they took note, they don't like what I have to say, but I guess it's worth uh another shot this time.
steve bannon
No, we got to make it too big to rig.
The same thing happened to Navarra this time.
That's what they do because they don't want the book to get momentum.
Uh, what's your social media, brother?
What's your coordinates?
matt palumbo
Uh Twitter is Matt Palumbo12.
It's uh the best Twitter account that gets no engagement, and uh obviously the header I need to update.
Uh the books actually got bumped up in uh when it's gonna come out.
So October 28th, not December 9th.
steve bannon
Okay, go there, go there now and let's pre-order.
matt palumbo
Thank you, sir.
steve bannon
I'm glad they're moving up the date.
People want to get to this now.
unidentified
Yep.
matt palumbo
Thanks, you guys.
steve bannon
So great.
Um just because Scott Bessent is getting their minds right over the IRS about going after the enemies of the American people, people like the Sources and all Ties Foundation, all these guys, Arabella, they've been funding this radical left, the radical takeover of the United States of America in Antifa and all these uh terrorist organizations, the violent extremists of the left.
Don't think for a second, they're not gonna go looking for their money.
Remember, we got a two trillion dollar deficit.
Uh, and Scott Besson, the guys, uh particularly the IRS are looking for it.
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Truck break.
stephanie ruhle
My favorite part of the show money power politics.
And right now, one of the biggest financial issues for millions of Americans, doesn't matter who they vote for, is soaring electric bills that seem to have no limit, according to the Washington Post.
Average bills have jumped over 10% since last year in more than a dozen states, with some seeing increases beyond 20%.
And more rate hikes have already been announced.
Many Americans are blaming their lawmakers, saying they should do something.
And those very lawmakers have turned around and placed the blame on data centers that support tech companies, AI projects.
But it might not be that simple.
How this has become a political and economic issue for people in places like Virginia and New Jersey that are about to elect new governors.
dave weigel
It hasn't become an enormous issue in the race for governor.
It's bubbled up from the grassroots from the local level.
The first time place I found somebody lose an election over their support for data centers is uh Prince William County, Virginia.
Uh, and I covered a couple races in that county last week.
Republicans and Democrats agreed.
Elect them, they'll stop data centers.
They don't have buy-in from the Republicans as leading the ticket.
Same thing in New Jersey.
Republicans in both states are taking the position that if you don't like your energy bills, don't worry about the data centers, they create jobs.
We should just be uh source of energy.
Democrats are starting to listen to activists who say, what is the benefit of having tax subsidies and the carve outs for data centers in our communities, dozens in Virginia this year that won permits.
Why not slow this down?
Why not they'll be somewhere else?
Uh Democrats are starting to listen to this first, but they don't want to be seen as anti-tech or anti-growth.
They want to be seen as pro-cheap bills and pro let's slow this down.
Let's make some the companies the biggest companies in the world at the moment who are building these centers.
Let's make them pay more to the state if they want to build it and they want to cost some hassle to take up some prime land.
stephanie ruhle
President Biden's infrastructure law included money to upgrade grids, but the current administration has already rolled that back.
So tech firms are going to have private power, but what about the rest of us?
unidentified
Man, I just think the economics guys a little bit differently here.
Um, you know, this is basically the electricity's the new eggs.
Um what happened with eggs, of course, was we got the bird flu.
We didn't have as many eggs as people wanted.
And we had to figure out a way out of that.
Actually, markets are remarkably good way of doing this.
Um, what happened was prices went up, and when the price of eggs goes up, you know what farmers start to do?
They start to get a whole lot more chickens.
And we're basically at the first point in that egg shortage right now, which is people are after a lot of electricity this time for the power grid.
Uh this time for AI, what are they gonna do?
Uh they they use a lot of it, the price goes up.
What's the next stage of this game?
The next stage is that if it becomes really profitable to generate electricity, people are going to enter the market.
And just like egg prices came back down, these electricity prices are going to come back down.
So I'm a lot less worried about this than uh some of the folks who are voting in the elections the day's following.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to bring a Dave Walsh.
I'm very honored the fact that the war room has been uh at the cutting edge of this for the last couple of years.
Uh one thing is Stephanie Rule, we watch our show every night.
I think it's a great show, except for that Australian economist, I think is at the University of Michigan.
He's always dead wrong on everything.
Not kind of wrong, dead wrong.
Uh Walsh.
Here's the here's they they obfuscate this thing.
This is a scam built upon a bigger scam.
This all gets to the z net zero carbon, what the elites is this insane response to a phony climate crisis.
Then they went to this, and you see it in Germany.
You you were so great about warning us about France and Germany, what was happening.
You've got this.
First off, the the uh the problem they got us into with the scam of climate change and of course renewables.
Okay.
Now, on top of that, now that the tech oligarchs are here, all of a sudden they don't talk climate change.
You got to now ramp it up as quickly as possible.
And I will tell you in Arizona and in Texas, you're starting to see it.
Arizona particularly, you've had a grassroots revolt against these data centers.
One for the massive electrical usage, which the the the they're looking at the citizens underwrite, also water, the huge use of water.
And I'm telling you, Arizona and Texas, which are not playing into this kind of national conversation like New Jersey is, because I think this could be the thing that shifts the direction actually when it's the governorship, is this issue.
But walk us through why this is a scam built on a even bigger scam, sir.
dave walsh
Okay, Steve, there are two issues going on at the same time.
The first issue is the massive uplift in electricity prices because of the mass adoption of very costly renewables, very costly part-time renewables.
We've already seen 42, 45% rate increases occur here and in places like Texas.
Uh, rep Harrison can affirm this in ERCOT because of the massive adoption of expensive, expensive renewables coming into the system that provide very little meaningful baseload electricity, and especially nighttime or early morning electricity.
So we have that going on.
And that's right now the bigger part of the rate increases is politicians hiding behind on both sides of the aisle, hiding behind AI that that's caused the rate increases to date.
It really hasn't.
That's yet to come.
That's issue two.
But stage one has been 250 million Americans are in regions, ERCOT, MISO, um uh Cirque West, Cirque East, Circuit, Florida, who have AirCOD, who have uh gone ahead and attempted to swap out their entire electrical system for renewables in the last eight or nine years, are in the middle of doing that.
And that comes at a huge, huge cost to ratepayers.
That's been supported on a bipartisan basis.
If you've got to help politicians hide you, am I back?
Yeah, the issue is a little bit different because what that involves is uh AI firms taking advantage of public uh utility systems, allowing them to plug in.
You know, let's take a place like where I live.
You've got a 12,000 megawatt grid of Duke Energy.
If an AI firm comes with a thousand megawatt need, guess what?
The uh the utility needs to build a two and a half billion dollar gas plant to support that.
That cost gets spread over all the ratepayers such that the new new user only pays one-twelph of that.
That's a problem.
Problem B is the rates for them are 50% lower.
Here they're 25% lower nationally, they're 50% lower for okay.
steve bannon
Hang on, but I want to go to uh to me the heart of it.
When it was just the consumer and the average Schmo, right, the tech oligarchs, because they're all progressive lefties.
It was all a climate crisis, and you had to have renewables.
If it's gonna cost more, well, that's what it costs to save the plants, so you're gonna pay for it.
When it comes to AI and comes to what they need, which is energy and water, hey, they're talking about mini nuclear reactors, they're talking about gas plants.
They don't care.
I don't hear any, I don't hear any big thing that we need more wind farms for the AI.
They're not prepared to go down something that that's not sustainable, right?
I mean, you're seeing a total shift.
And this is what galls me.
The same guys that put in money for these left-wing politicians to basically have a net carbon zero, and that was their big religion.
When it comes to their own money, and it comes to them, they now have woken up to the fact that hey, if we're going to compete with China, we need massive amounts of power.
I don't hear any wind farms, I don't hear any solar coming from them.
They want real power that's there all the time, sir.
dave walsh
Yeah, that's the number of the issue.
AI, just like cement plants, deal plants, car plants, semiconductor plants, and human beings need baseload 24 hours a day electricity supply.
Renewables don't provide that.
Of course, the AI, Mobules, and Denisons uh come out with that right away.
They can't get by on part-time energy.
Oh, let's let the people continue to try to get by on part-time energy, let the ratepayers get by on that, but let's have baseload for us.
What would make the most sense is if they build their own.
Instead of plugging in and taking advantage of rate payers having to build out two and a half billion, three billion dollar uh gas plants to support them incrementally, let them pay for that.
Uh, and and then you've got public policy issues that need to be addressed, such as in Pennsylvania.
Google showing up buying an existing 670 megawatt dam from uh Brookstone just for the purpose of Brookfield, having having to be able to brag about baseload energy that they've purchased.
They're robbing that from the public system from the PJM public system that's already in shortage because of shutting down coal nuclear plants, attempting to replace them with expensive uh renewables.
They're already in massive shortage in PJ.
steve bannon
Hang on, I I want to go to another topic.
And I'm gonna probably stay through the break for a couple minutes the other side.
Here's another thing I don't get, because you've got these boards where consumers supposed to figure out you've got the two bedrocks of the MAGA movement, Florida and Texas.
And in Florida, all they're doing is building solar all over the place.
And in Texas, it's all wind.
How did we have two MAGA states with the reddest populations we got and people on the tip of this?
How do we have a situation where they're going down the path for the average uh Schmendrick, right?
That you're gonna have solar as expensive as hell, or you're gonna have wind.
How did that happen?
dave walsh
It it happened in in this state.
This is a regulated state, unlike uh rep Harrison state is his state, by the way, going forward air cod plan, the next five years is entirely solar and battery storage.
New capacity additions for aircot the next five years.
A compounded disaster.
Florida worse with regulated utilities who are heavily donated, heavy, heavy donators to PACs, wind up in full control of energy policy for Florida through the State House, State Senate, and the governor backing them because they're major donors.
They're massive donors.
They get their way.
They basically control the inputs provided by the Public Service Commission, who was appointed by the governor and approved by the state Senate, all heavily impacted by the donor class of Duke Energy, FPL and TICO that go ahead and push forward these plans that are massively beneficial to their bottom line because the capex involved with these plans is five times to six times more than it would be if they were building basic combined cycle gas-fired power plants.
So therefore, they get a rate benefit from that, 11.5% guaranteed return on Delta investment.
Therefore, the utilities are all for the continuance of solar power for the people.
Now, when it talks to AI, AI can't live with that.
They need 24-hour day, really power like the rest of us.
They they appear to be getting lined up in North Carolina, for example, the state house supported a notionality that they get to take full advantage of just plugging into the group.
steve bannon
Think he froze again.
I'll tell you take it back with it.
Dave, hang on one second, and we'll hold you through the break.
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By the way, I actually was right.
You know, I saw yesterday where Scott Bess and the guys at Treasury had 200 billion dollar positive month in September.
Tariffs all of it.
That's how they came under the $2 trillion deficit.
I'm not saying it was gun deck because it's best in these guys, the money's coming at the end of the year.
It was a massive year positively.
I mean, the biggest month, I think, in history, 200 billion dollar positive.
But that's how we missed that two trillion dollars.
So if you took the under, you now know how you got it.
short break back in a moment.
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Talking about prep, why I don't understand.
Texas, Texas is the energy capital of the world.
brian harrison
Yeah.
steve bannon
And why do you have all this funky, you know, solar and batteries and wind?
What's about you guys know energy better than anybody?
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
Why is Texas not powered by what we call American energy?
brian harrison
We are we are blessed beyond measure.
We should be dominating the energy market, not just in the United States, but in the whole planet.
But here's the problem.
It's totally embarrassing that a red state like Texas, with as much energy reserves as we have under our soil, every time it gets hot or every time it gets cold, people in Texas don't know if we're gonna have power.
We literally institute California style rolling blackouts every time it's really hot or really cold.
And why is this that the free market didn't lead to this?
It's because supposedly Republican leaders in the state of Texas have been doubling and tripling down for decades on the Green New Deal scam, and we've got these windmills that are just destroying the beautiful landscape of our state and taxpayers, ratepayers, they're getting hosed on both ends because of these solar farms, these wind farms would never happen under free market forces.
The taxpayers are having their money stolen from them, put in all the wind and solar, and then guess what?
Whenever we need them the most, it's not there for us.
So taxpayers get to pay double by price spikes and price gouging and massive uh, you know, uh surcharges every time it's really hot or really cold in the state of Texas.
steve bannon
Well, well, Walsh, this is what I don't get.
You got Florida and Texas have driven the first term of Trump and driven the second term of Trump.
Uh, how do we have a situation where you still got the Green New Scam?
Let's be blunt.
And it's got to be some deal here with lobbyists, or there's got to be some deal with kickbacks of politicians.
There's got to be something going on because it doesn't make any sense from an economic point of view or an energy point of view.
And like I said, the the voters in these states are among the most sophisticated and tip of the spear in the MAGA movement.
So how did this come about with our two best states?
brian harrison
Can I ask him a question on that?
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
I want to hear if you can uh say it like this in Florida like it is in Texas.
One of the ways our government's doubling down the Green New Deal scam, that's what it is, is for years the state of Texas has been giving property tax abatements, effectively subsidizing these renewable companies to come in Texas.
Monpa Monpa shops are paying full freight on their property taxes.
Texas are being taxed out of their homes, but these big, you know, wind and solar companies come in, and the school districts are like, oh, you don't have to pay property taxes.
Are y'all doing similar things like that uh down in Florida?
dave walsh
Yeah, yes, sir.
Rep Harrison in May of this year at the state house in Florida, passed a bill to allow major users of ag property that are converting it to solar, mixed use.
If you plant five tomato plants on a 680-acre solar farm, guess what in Florida?
You now, as of May, get the ag property exemption for your solar farm.
So Florida has just doubled down in May of 2025, in the middle of the Trump administration, has doubled down on its own incentivization of more and more utility scale solar farms to take 680 acres to generate about 19 megawatts of power.
Absolutely obscene use of land.
But no, we're all over incentivizing this locally and supporting it because the utilities in a regulated state here, which you're not, but we got we're following Texas lead on this as a regulated state because Those who are regulated are massive political donors.
They are essentially in effective control of these policies.
Duke Energy, Tico, and Florida Power and Light at the state house level, the state senate level, the public service commission, who were appointed by the governor and the governor because they're massive donors.
They get their way.
So we and this is better this is good for their PL.
Uh solar and wind are based.
Solar here is a massive uplift in capital spending, which has a guaranteed 11.6% state regulated rate of return on capital spending for energy devices by utilities.
Therefore, they're in love with this.
brian harrison
And they're going to say with it in Texas.
We've got uh appointees of our you know Republican governor down here that for years have been charged by the legislature.
We come with some kind of firming standards, which is if you're gonna sell, I know we're not regulated like you are, but if you're gonna sell sell and provide energy to our grid, you at least have to give us some assurances that when we need the power, you're gonna be there.
Uh nothing's been acting hacking happening on that uh for years down here in Texas.
So very similar dynamic, and it's a shame.
Red states are away.
steve bannon
But we're not just red states, the two red estates.
Walsh, we got a bounce.
I want everybody to go to your uh your Dave Walsh Energy to get all this because this is I'm telling you, in New Jersey, this could be the difference.
And hey, as sure as the turning of the earth, Florida, Texas, Arizona.
You watch these things are gonna be a grassroots revolt against this crap.
It's gonna be highlighted by these uh data centers, and the data center is not just gonna take massive amounts of energy, and somebody's got to figure out what's gonna come from.
The water situation in West Texas and in Arizona are gonna be a huge issue about all of this.
You've already started to see a populist revolt against it.
Walsh, where do people go?
dave walsh
Rep Harrison's exactly right.
Texas has built only two baseload power plants in the last 12 years.
They're called Colorado Bend, and we'll follow Florida since 2021 has built none, only solar.
So I'm reasonable.
steve bannon
This is insane.
Okay, Dave, thank you.
You've been the tip of the spear here.
Folks, this is I mean, Florida and they're the two foundational stanchions of the MAGA movement, right?
And it's obscene what's happening in two states and to the into the great folks there.
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steve bannon
Oh, Lyndale TV's amazing.
Um I want to ask a question.
A judge found you guilty, and I don't know how they do this.
Before you go to trial, a judge found you guilty of I don't know, talking smack about smartmatic.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Did Smart Maddox get indicted in the Philippines yesterday for money laundering for bribing politicians?
I mean, is that I just want to make sure, because hey, I'm not a machine guy, smartmatic, but hold it.
Did Smart Matic get indicted in the Philippines for all these horrible crimes?
mike lindell
Yes, they did, Steve.
And on my investigations, all the way back in January of 21.
I've known all this and I've tried to get it out to the to the public in the world for four and a half years now.
They're smart make, they go all the way back with corruption.
But yes, they got indicted yesterday.
And uh you would think that this judge would say, gee, Mike, anybody would say uh the same thing you did um when the uh this judge ruled um that uh I'm guilty of defamation, and my pillow is also guilty by association.
You can't make this up.
steve bannon
How can you defame which looks like a criminal operation?
It looks like when you read what they did in the Philippines, I assume this is gonna happen in other countries.
They look like uh criminal organization.
How can you defame a criminal organization, sir?
mike lindell
Yeah, yeah, you you can't.
I mean, it's not only that, Steve, you're questioning these machine companies or government private contractors.
If I can't use my free speech to question them and say, but our own government should be looking inside and finding out the companies they're dealing with.
That's another shameful thing that's going on in our country, but you can't.
So this judge that ruled in Minneapolis last week that my pillow and Mike Lindell defame this corrupt company.
I'm sorry.
Um you gotta ask uh judge where'd you come up with this?
steve bannon
Just get him a copy of the indictment in the Philippines.
unidentified
Hey, bro, this defame is the more thing I've ever said, right?
mike lindell
Yeah, uh and Steve Steve, it's very dangerous to everybody.
If I don't appeal this, uh no matter what smart medics done out there and what's in the news now.
If I don't appeal this, the the ramifications, this will set a precedent that none of us will ever be able to use our free speech to question a government private contractor again.
They're gonna always point back to this.
So we are gonna appeal, and uh, and of course we're gonna win.
I mean, this is it goes to the eighth circuit, which overturned the other one.
But you see, Steve, you can't make this stuff up.
steve bannon
No, no, this is this shows you a President Trump and his team are uh dealing with because you got these frontline uh district federal judges that are out of control.
I mean, the more radical.
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mike lindell
Yeah, thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Guys are indicted on every all this money laundering and bribing politicians and stealing from the people of the Philippines, and yet, and yet uh poor Mike Lindell gets get the judge already found guilty, no trial, the guilty of defamation.
We're just here to see how much I got a minute and a half.
You're gonna stick around through the next block.
Harn was gonna join us.
Yeah, I think I've come to a revelation, except for the life topic, which is great here in Texas in a big fight.
Yeah, the rest of the politicians, the whole the real deal, it's a purple state.
I might actually say a blue state, right?
The way it's the government, not the people.
Not the people, the people are the hardest core magga we got.
This is what drives me crazy.
You got what's going on in Florida, and DeSantis is great on so many things, but there's something not right with this uh, you know, this this green new scam where the president says it's over.
And of course, by the way, we're buying all the component parts uh for the for the windmills and for the batteries from China, right?
Might add to that.
But besides life, which Texas is great on, yeah, the rest of the government's kind of a blue government, is not no, we have a lot of people, like I said earlier.
brian harrison
They know they can't get elected as a Democrats, which is what they actually got are.
So they put the word Republican by themselves and they vote for for life, and that's good.
We we need to be a pro-life state, and we are, but that doesn't mean you can go be a Marxist leftist socialist democrat on every other issue and on this water and the AI data center thing.
I mean, we got the state of Texas right now, it's a ballot proposition.
They're trying to take over the state government, trying to take over the water supply.
And when I asked them why the state needs to take us over, I was told we gotta get the the water to these AI and tech data centers.
So the Texas taxpayers are gonna be the ones putting the bill for that.
steve bannon
This is just not the rivers, folks.
These are aquifers.
And that's what keeps Texas and Arizona going as these aquifers.
You let those tech oligarchs get their handle on that.
Forget it.
Right?
brian harrison
Well, it'd be one thing, too.
If they were paying for it.
But the Texas government's going to make my constituents and 30 million Texans put the bill.
steve bannon
We're in a short commercial break back in the warm in a moment.
Harrison's going to be here.
We got uh Ben Harnwell to talk about Zelensky's one o'clock meeting with the president.
unidentified
Let's take down the C Choose your host, Stephen Kack.
steve bannon
Okay.
Today at five, we're shifting out Harrison, right?
And we're gonna have Wamsgan in.
And we got a huge rally tomorrow, correct?
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
And both of you guys will be back tomorrow morning.
You're gonna take an hour, you're gonna take an hour.
We've got this whole set.
Uh, what can we look for in the five o'clock hour?
unidentified
Well, it's gonna be exciting.
Let's talk about faith, family, and freedom.
Let's talk about some Texas politics and um speaking truth to power.
steve bannon
What we have to do is talk about how we have the most religious, most faithful, hardest core man in the country that is supporting President Trump's president, getting back in office.
Yet the government in Texas is a blue government.
I don't understand, and they're coming after you specifically, because they don't want to they made a mistake not getting Harrison and they said, Hey, we can't let her in here, right?
unidentified
I mean absolutely in my 30 years of politics, I have never seen a candidate with not over 93% of their contributions from special interests that are out of state.
This is a first this is for me.
steve bannon
They they dropped it after two weeks after they saw that you announced all of a sudden they came up with this candidate, right?
Yes, of course.
That was a totally random event.
No, you've scared the hell out of it's the Glenn's story of it all, but they you've scared the hell out of the establishment here already.
unidentified
Well, they know that I'm an independent thinker.
They know that I'm not a go-along to get along person, and uh they don't want that in Austin, and we need that in Austin.
steve bannon
Badly after going today.
Okay, we got a uh Zelensky's in the Oval Office with the President one o'clock.
Our own Ben Harnwell, live from Rome.
Ben, uh we're hearing from everybody.
If we agree to offensive weapons to the Tomahawk missile, Putin said, Hey, I'm sending two million new troops, and we're gonna get it on.
Although the President of the United States has said, I've got Marco gonna go negotiate with a team, and I'm setting up to go to Hungary with Victor Orban and meet with uh meet with President Putin to sort this thing out.
What do you got for us?
ben harnwell
Morning, Steve.
Morning, Brian, morning Lee.
Well, you know, we thought we'd pretty much wrap this up yesterday in 24 hours.
How much has changed?
The big news, Steve, is that President Trump had an um had a very short notice, two-hour phone call last night with President Putin at President Putin's request.
Um that I think is the background to the to the Hungary meeting.
Um forecast hasn't been set yet the date.
It'll be about two weeks' time.
Next week, as you as you indicate, Marco Rubio is gonna sit down with Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, to try and prepare the ground for that meetings of the two heads of state.
The timing is incredibly important here, Steve.
It's obviously an attempt um to take the wind somewhat out of the sails of President Zelensky, who very shortly indeed is gonna be sitting down with President Trump at the White House.
Um on the uh Tomahawks missiles front, we know we and we said earlier on in the week uh to start praying Novinas ahead of that.
Uh President Trump said after his phone call yesterday with Putin.
Astonishing, folks.
This is pure MAGA, pure America first.
He said last night, we can't talking about the U.S. stockpiles, we can't deplete our country.
Um that I think is going to be a significant uh obstacle to President Zelensky's objective.
He has one objective in this meeting with President Trump today, and that's to get his hands on these tomahawks, as we said yesterday on the show.
Not so much because of the damage these tomahawks can do in Russia, but provide but to use that as a pretext for the United States to be dragged into this war, because that is Zelensky's only hope now of winning this war of attrition, which he cannot win in the in any other means.
steve bannon
Uh, Ben, what's your social media?
Great analysis.
You're gonna be back at six uh with the perspective of all this.
Where do people go in the interim?
ben harnwell
Thanks, Steve.
My social media platform of choice, get uh simply tap in my surname Hanwell, and I've got several updates there of uh of precisely what we're talking about right now.
steve bannon
Beady-eyed cynic that you are already go.
We'll see you uh we'll see you at six o'clock tonight.
Thanks, Ben.
ben harnwell
Thanks, Steve.
God bless.
steve bannon
We're followed as we have been for the last four years by the Charlie Kirk Show.
Poso and Human Events Daily is after that.
You got Steve Gruber, Eric Bowling, and then we're back here at five o'clock with my uh co-host.
Lee wants, by the way, you've got the Charlie Kirk freedom shirt on.
We'll talk a lot about Charlie today, the uh the impact he had down here in Texas and grassroots.
I just want to leave you guys with one thing.
There's not a better grassroots, because we had this meeting here a couple of months ago where we decided, you guys decided that hey, we're gonna force the political establishment in Austin to deal with this redistricting issue.
And you guys got five seats in the grassroots, and it was a Herculean effort against amazing opposition.
So much that that's it was a huge part of that.
No, no, no.
And these guys love it.
And by the way, inspired the Grosnos guys up on Capitol Hill said, hey, if we can do Texas, and Du Grass has got a gross amount of 21 that could go, not even counting what happened in Louisiana the other day.
This is how important the redistricting is.
But the key is that you guys took it on when it was absolutely dead and not going to happen in a special session and moved heaven and earth.
That's the power of the grassroots here.
And it's unacceptable that you've got the foundational element base of the MAGA movement that has brought President Trump on their shoulders back to an amazing second term.
They've done more than any president in history in the first 250 days.
And this state is out of control because of the political class of establishment Republicans and democratical Democrats have turned this in politically into a blue state.
And I think that's one of the things we're down here for.
This can't happen.
Well, first of all, we're not going to have a country.
As Texas goes, so goes the nation.
And as the nation goes, so goes the world.
So that's why I'm so proud uh to be down here.
And kind of really the memory and what Charlie Kirk tried to accomplish.
And you see it in the grassroots people down here.
But we got a hell of a fight.
And I think it's epitomized by you.
As soon as Lee announced for years, I've been saying to Glenn everything, she's so spectacular and so self-effacing, humble.
We got to get her into elective office because she could be a game changer like Harrison.
As soon as she announced two weeks later, they've got an establishment guy with all the lobbyists' money because they understand you're a threat to the system.
unidentified
That's right.
And you know, I've been speaking truth to power for decades.
And um, it's really not that hard.
It's just do the right thing.
The government seems to have a problem with that.
steve bannon
No, I'll make a money.
brian harrison
And we're in a battle for the future of Western civilization, but the Texas government is forcing taxpayers to fund everything Charlie Kirk opposed.
steve bannon
Lee will be back here at five of my co-host, Lee and Brian tomorrow morning, and then we're gonna have a huge rally for Lee late in the afternoon.
Uh, just go to uh Worm.org.
Grays and Mo are gonna push it out hard.
We're gonna leave you with the right stuff.
And you know why?
If any state in this union's got the right stuff, it's the great state of Texas.
And now we've got to take the grassroots and the MAGA movement and convert it into a political class here that runs the state for the people, not for themselves in the vested special interest.
We'll see you back at Charlie Kirk's show is next.
We're back here at five o'clock Eastern Daylight Time.
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