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Sept. 30, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 859: Taxpayer Money Spent On Trans Research At Universities
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natalie winters
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peter ticktin
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steve bannon
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oubai shahbandar
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on this people.
All these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Warum.
steve bannon
Stephen K. Bass and following the Trump White House and everything that's going on here in the United States and throughout the world.
Um part of my rant at the end of the show today as we tossed uh the Charlie Kirk show, Andrew Colvet and the team.
Um Netanyahu had just pulled up, I don't know, 30 minutes beforehand, but was very unusual.
Normally we get T, you know, we get a heads up because they're supposed to happen at 11, normally they happen a little later.
But when it gets serious, the color guard comes out.
And since January 20th, particularly on the morning show, because most of these bylats, 80% of them happen in the morning and usually entail a lunch or something in between, uh, and an open press available all of it.
We didn't get any heads up, and I kept asking the guys behind the scenes, the team, hey, you know, where's Brian?
Where's the camera shots?
How can we don't?
Because remember, they get out there at least 15 minutes in advance for the color, the guard of honor to be there.
We show the flags, you got the EOB.
I give you a little history of of what the meeting's gonna be about today.
None of that happened.
President Trump just kind of pops out on the West Wing, and next thing you know, the the the V he pops out exactly when the vehicle rolls up.
And then the White House puts out a video and it's got Netanyahu getting out, and it's on this kind of weird angle.
It's not back over where the flags of the nations and states would be.
It's not anywhere where the color guard would be.
It's kind of looking at the EOB.
It's a weird angle for Netanyahu to get a card, like they're right there, but they didn't want to cut and show the bigger.
Also the comment section, if you have not seen the White House video on that, please see the comment section.
unidentified
It's uh pretty brutal.
steve bannon
So Netanyahu shows up and we've asked the White House since that moment over and over and over again, what's they?
Well, you know, not every state, this is nonsense.
Every time a head of state shows up, even at that working side, you've got the color guard out.
Now maybe it hasn't happened a couple of times and I missed it, but I don't remember it.
I think that was a signal that this was gonna be a serious meeting and Netanyahu had to pay attention.
You could also tell in the president, I say look tired.
He also, I don't want to say dismissive, but when when uh Netanyahu's glazing him as he always does, he's the greatest friend of Israel, is the greatest man of peace in the world history.
President Trump was like, okay, let's move along.
You can tell his face.
Let's let's get on with this thing.
He spent an or he's spent an inordinate amount of time on this in Netanyahu uh doesn't seem like an ally, much less a vassal state or a protectorate.
Does his own thing in front, including they just come out of the Oval Office where you had to game on the phone with the the head of uh cutter to have Netanyahu apologize in front of Trump about sending missiles in to kill the negotiating team.
Of course he killed the negotiating team, just like on their strike, the first thing they went for is the negotiating team.
I think I see pattern recognition here.
I see a pattern.
It's all about him and keeping himself in power.
And you got Tel Aviv Levin and these guys out there right now, you know, Levin's got his big analysis.
Well, when you look at it, it doesn't say two-state solution.
It says, you know, aspiration of the people, and there's nothing about the West Bank.
This is when Trump Does something that he feels needs to be done, you guys get in the middle and want to spin it and want to control it.
Okay, no to self.
Read the 20 points.
That is a beginning of a two-state solution.
So that's what you, Tel Aviv Levin, and Bibi Netanyahu have foisted upon the state of Israel.
Because if this deal gets done, if President Trump has anything to do with it, it will get done.
Because number one, he raised the money.
The Gulf Remmer's gonna put up the cash.
Look, at least it looks like that.
And whether you think uh Gaza is gonna turn into some great beachfront property, it's gonna be the Miami Beach of the Mediterranean or replace Lebanon as the Paris of the Mediterranean, or if it's gonna continue to be a hellhole.
President Trump's put a lot of effort in this, and his vision is hey, I've raised the money.
Now it's got to bring the parties together.
The rest of the parties are not putting in the money.
And anybody sitting there fantasizing, and it is a fantasy, and you know it's a lie.
And I think, given the track record of Netanyahu, the duplicitous nature of him, the sneakiness of him, his cunning nature, and his bald face lies.
Oh, did I mention he's on Fox all the weekend?
So yeah, we never intended to take out the entire nuclear capability.
Well, tell that to a guy named Donald J. Trump, who uses the phrase total obliteration.
So Tel Aviv Levin and the America First Crowd now spinning this.
Well, it doesn't really say nothing mentioned in the West Bank says good.
No.
This deal, it is a condition precedent of this deal that Israel's not gonna take over the West Bank.
Otherwise, this deal makes absolutely no sense.
And of course, none of the Gulf Emirates, the um the uh the Arabs are gonna put up with that.
What brought the Arabs together?
They talk about it all the time now.
Was Netanyahu not asking the United States permission, going into and doing a uh a missile attack to take out Hamas's leadership so they couldn't negotiate.
Why?
So they couldn't get a deal.
unidentified
Why?
steve bannon
So Netanyahu can the war can continue, and Netanyahu stay in power.
It's all pretty straightforward.
Now, what's the probability of this happened?
I have no earthy idea.
What I do know is the president of these United States had put a lot of time and effort, and you saw up there today, a guy who's a little tired.
You know why?
Because he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders, and every decision is a huge decision.
Oh, yeah, he only deployed troops last night to Portland.
He's deploying troops to Chicago.
He's trying to put down what is beginning, and I keep telling you, spinning towards a civil war, unless we put it down now, now, now.
So, yeah, he gets the right to be a little tired.
And he doesn't need to put up a lot of crap, and that's all he's getting out of the Israel first crowd, is a lot of crap.
So you've got a deal, and President Trump's, he's not asking, it's interesting.
He didn't ask uh Netanyahu what's your opinion of it?
What are your thoughts?
Can you give me some guidance here?
He didn't.
He says, This is the deal, you're taking it.
Now, Hamas has got to meet the condition they have for Hamas.
They're not looking for Hamas to negotiate.
Although Qatar, so one of the big drivers of this, basically the sponsors of Hamas.
But Israel had no input into this.
None, zero.
Supposedly Wiccoff and Kushner yesterday told Bibi what was in what was officially in the document.
They could spin it all they want.
But this is how you treat a protectorate.
Hey, here's what we're gonna do.
Here's why we're gonna do it.
Here's what you need to do.
And by the way, if you want to do your own thing, if you don't like this, fine.
You're your own independent nation.
Go do it, but finish what you started.
Don't drag us back in like you did with your lies and misreputation on the Persian situation, where you started something that even the very basics on the nuclear program, which was not your intended goal, but even that you couldn't even do.
And you couldn't even defend your own people.
President Trump had to bail you out.
So the American, the Israel First should suck on that for a moment.
And all this spin right now, this thing's great.
Whether you think it's great or not great, nobody gives a damn.
The deal's the deal.
The deal's a deal.
Now, if Hamastec, which I think knowing Hamas, their tendency to snatch defeat uh out of every victory, don't the bottomless pit of the Muslim Brotherhood, who are not great guys, their fact they're terrible and an enemy of the United States, and something from my first day in the White House till today, I've argued, just like Antifa should be designated terrorist organization.
Then we'll be getting somewhere.
Natalie Winter says, we slip to, as we uh are on the road to perition to a potential civil war in this country, now we're unmasking a lot of people.
Okay.
And this thing's gonna get very nasty, very nasty before it gets uh before it gets sorted.
And uh walk us through because this I think she shows you the level of depravity that we're up against.
Walk us through your report, ma'am.
natalie winters
Well, look, Steve, you were talking about the concept of a therapeutic society today earlier on the show.
And I think what is sort of incumbent for us to understand is that the people who are carrying out these heinous acts, whether it's right the assassination of Charlie Kirk, shooting up Christian schools, take your pick, you know.
Yes, these people are mentally ill, they suffer from gender dysphoria, but these are people who could also probably sit across from you and give you a three-hour moral justification, you know, replete with ethics that you know, wreak that they've spent four years at Harvard as to why they think they're justified in doing what they are doing, which is killing their enemies, killing their combatants.
You know, we talk about a civil war.
I think maybe the kinetic part hasn't totally started yet, though obviously what happened in recent days perhaps suggests otherwise.
But I think in all other areas, which we've seen certainly, you know, warfare traditionally expand, whether it's information warfare, the media warfare, the psychological warfare, certainly law fair, I think that component of the civil war, I think it's fair to say, has already started.
And when you look at how much of this is hardwired in to both the Democratic Party apparatus, but also by extension, the dark money and the sort of NGO apparatus, you see how all of this comes together, right?
These aren't random isolated incidences.
And why I bring this specific person in school up is because it ties it all together.
So I introduced to you uh a quote, they them, uh I think they're a non-binary whatever uh professor who leads Harvard's nonviolent action center.
It's hosted at the Ash Center, someone by the name of Erica Chenowith.
And why this person is important, this isn't just some rogue, you know, Harvard professor, this is someone who is actively advising and hosting events with Democrat members of Congress, most recently Pramila Jayapal, uh, who's out there, you know, grandstanding on everything that's happening in Portland.
Um, but this is someone who called on during these events, being done in conjunction with Harvard, telling supporters, activists, guerrilla troops, whatever you want to call them, that they need to be quote, strike ready and really understand the time that they're living in and for their risk assessment, sort of coded language saying, you know, maybe it's worth getting violent sometimes.
And I think the crux of this, why this individual, why this lab is so important, um, is because they're explicitly talking about how to use political violence to advance their agenda.
And I know the left loves to hurl around the term stochastic terrorism, right?
The idea that you can sort of be subtly pushed or normalized in the direction of thinking violence is okay, but this is pure evidence that that's just projection.
Uh Erica Chenowith not only is funded by USAID, lectured there, lectured at the United States Institute of Peace, this Harvard Center in and of itself is funded by USAID and the State Department.
Um, but their most recent study was focused on quote, youth and LGBTQ participation in nonviolent action, where they focus uh specifically on how trans youth can get involved in making political realities uh you know more favorable to them.
And like we always say here, if you have to specify that your political activism is nonviolent, uh, that's probably a bad sign that the people that you're rallying up and riling up want to go there.
And this individual, Erica Chenowith, most of her work, her canon of work is focused on terrorism and violence in other countries, specifically how these have been used to achieve regime change.
And there's not a moral objection in any of her work and any of the you know documents or research or activist calls that the Democrats, in conjunction with this lady or man, whatever she wants to be, are putting out.
They just view violence as an okay political tactic.
Some of the research that she's done is quote, the role of violence in nonviolent resistance.
Try to make that one make sense.
Quote, resilient republics, why terrorism does not destroy democracy.
Another one of her works, quote, to bribe or to bomb, do corruption and terrorism go together.
Also works including, quote, how to topple a dictator and quote youth and LGBTQ activism as a strategic roadmap, right?
This is just toying with playing the blurred line game, moving the goalpost of what, you know, pro-democracy political demonstration looks like.
This is full-blown regime change and providing the ideological cultural and moral justification for the acts like we saw against Charlie Kirk.
And my my final point on all of this, which I think is very important to take away, it goes back to what you were talking about wonderfully this morning, which is this concept of unity, right?
This is who we're supposed to unite with, right?
As Republicans are busy pushing that Democrat senators are busy plowing hundreds of thousands of dollars into these very same groups that are in bed, like Indivisible, like we were talking about with Chris Murphy, that are propping up this entire ecosystem and infrastructure of organizations that is extremely violent to their core.
That is their raisin detra, right?
And it goes back, Steve, to what we were forewarning about before President Trump was even sworn in the second time.
When you deprive the Democrat Party and the left of their traditional institutional levers of power, which they exploited, exploited for four years under Joe Biden, right?
They weaponized the government against you after the Jan Sixers.
These people are desperate and desperate times call for desperate measures, and existential times call for existential measures.
And that's why you're seeing this uptick in violence, like Axios said, right?
Left-wing violence has hit a 30-year high.
And we're told that this isn't a problem.
It's absolutely absurd.
We don't want unity with these people.
Like I said, it's a dog whistle for complete and utter submission.
We saw how that worked out with Islam.
What is it?
NHS over in the UK is busy saying that, you know, marrying your cousin is actually good and healthy and okay.
You can never compromise with these people.
You can never compromise with the left.
And I wish I know I left for three weeks.
It seems like nothing changed.
We're we're gonna shut down the government and Republicans are still feckless and they don't understand what accountability is.
And real America's voice is still having sound difficulties, and I'm getting bumped to the six.
steve bannon
What um you, Benz and Beattie have been the uh the folks over the last couple of years that have walked us through this concept of color revolution in the color revolution that's being foisted upon us in the United States right now, the violent aspect of this, because when Axios comes out, because Axios is Mike Allen and Jim Vanderhey, that is the Washington consensus.
If you want to know what the Washington consensus is on any topic, that's it.
When they put an article to start the work week that talks about left-wing political violence at a 30-year high and a numbers in the in the and even in those numbers, something nobody could comprehend.
Where in the chart of the of the color revolution to really have regime change in this country uh are we right now, given that a certain aspect of it is the violence, and you also see the political figures on the Democratic side are instigating more of it, talking about Trump is authoritarian.
Uh, we're all fascist, right?
I think uh Gavin Newsom put out a tweet that called Stephen Miller flat out.
This man is a fascist, right?
Understanding how that word triggers the left.
So in the color revolution arc, where are we according in your assessment?
natalie winters
Well, look, it's why they went after Charlie Kirk.
Is it partly because of what he said on the culture war stuff?
Sure, but it's because he's hardwired into the Trump victory, right?
Into the Republican Party, into the grassroots, into the get out the vote stuff, into the youth vote, which really is, I think one of the most powerful cudgels against what the Democratic Party was trying to do, obviously, everything that Turning Point was doing on the election integrity front.
I mean, I think if you really broaden it out historically, I mean, getting youth, young kids, young teens, specifically those that are suffering from I would posit mental illness and exploiting them and pushing them to the brink.
I mean, this is the sort of equivalent of the little red guard.
Maybe it's the the little trans guard.
Um, but these are people who've been indoctrinated for their entire lives.
Um, like I said, not just with the idea that transgenderism is something that is great, but that it is okay, right?
As the strap line of the Democratic Party and Black Lives Matter is, quote, by any means necessary.
Um, And you're seeing that I think escalate.
But I also think too, it's something because the Trump administration is obviously going after who they view as sort of their sacrosanct idols, right?
Whether it's what's happening with Comey, uh, what might be happening with they view as the rule of law and the institution of the traditional levers of power, rather, whether that's you know, 100,000 government civil servants resigning, or even going after people like Chris Wright or sending out the National Guard.
So this is sort of, I think it's retaliatory and it's relational and reactive to what the Trump administration is doing because, like I said, these are like petulant children, and they're traditional sort of off-ramp for what they would do to silence us or censor us.
They can't censor Charlie Kirk anymore.
They can't silence his show, right?
They can't throw him in prison because they don't control the institutional levers of power.
So they're really desperate, and that's why they're becoming so violent.
And I I truly only think it's going to get worse unless the Trump administration really cracks down.
steve bannon
We'll handle that the rest of the week.
Uh, Natalie, social media, where do people, what are your coordinates?
Where do people uh follow you?
natalie winters
Natalie G. Winters on all platforms.
Thank you for having me back.
I look forward to coming on soon.
steve bannon
Yeah, well, uh, we want to go, I want to go through your um your not just the trip, but all your analysis and assessment over in the most important part of the world outside the United States of America, and that is Asia and East Asia.
Natalie Winter's over in a fact-finding investigative journey for us.
unidentified
Thank you, ma'am.
steve bannon
Um, what Natalie talked about is I think, and this is where you talk about the time and effort President Trump is spending on uh the Middle East.
I wish the Israel First Crowd spent as much time on what is happening in New York City with Mom Donny as uh as they're doing uh barking at people like Tucker Carlson and uh Meghan Kelly and others.
Um because right now, the last time I looked, 30% of Jewish voters in New York City are gonna vote for wait for it, mom Donny, who is nothing more than Sadiq Khan.
He is a Marxist and a jihadist.
That's what he represents.
He puts on the happy clappy face, right?
Doing his little TikToks and walking in the walking in the food uh in the aisle of the food, Katsumatese food store, right?
And uh, you know, saying it's about all about afford affordability, and the rent is too damn high.
The rent is too damn high.
Speaking of, there is uh, I think there's two pieces of good news politically.
When I say politically, I mean kind of the action-oriented, not we're passing legislation and polling everything like that.
One is New Jersey, and the other is California on this redistricting fight.
Of course, there's great news on the redistricting fight in other areas, some greater than others.
But I want to go Sophia George's had you on Saturday.
It was a great report because I tell people you told me six months ago that Steve, New Jersey is not this is when uh people were down at 10, 15 points you said is not lost because I'm knocking on doors at Democrats, and they won't register as Republicans because they don't want the visibility of that, but they will tell me I can't vote for Democrats anymore because of two things housing affordability, a lot of that driven by property taxes and others, and the other is utilities, particularly electric bills, which you said is like $900 a month.
People just can't afford to live anymore, and it's gonna become an issue.
And they're they're sitting there going, we've had Democrats run this place forever.
It's time for a change.
Now, what happened today?
They had a conference of real estate, was it brokers dealers, and the candidate for the governorship showed up.
I heard he rocked the house.
Tell us what happened.
sophia georges
Yes, absolutely.
Um, yeah, so today the New Jersey Association of Realtors had a gubernatorial candidates forum.
So Jack Ciarelli was there, Mikey Cheryl was there, they had QA's, they weren't there together to debate.
It wasn't a formal debate.
They came at different times during during the forum and they each had the same exact questions.
Um Mikey Cheryl went first.
Um they asked her exactly what you just said, questions about uh housing affordability, utilities, um, and and she had a scripted uh speech that she read.
Obviously, somebody wrote it for her, didn't have much substance at all, spoken platitudes.
Um, and you know, we had a few people clap, and then there were some pictures taken afterwards.
But when Jack Chirelli came out, there was a standing ovation, uh heavy applause from the from the audience.
The audience was made up of realtors, um brokers like myself.
Um, and um it was it was a stark difference just on the entrance alone.
Um, and Jack, I have to say, crushed it today.
Uh he crushed it during during his uh QA and during his speech before.
He gave a lot of substance.
Um he he promoted his um garden state affordability agenda.
He went down point by point how he was gonna help um this housing um crisis that we have here, um, utilities.
He even spoke about the environmental aspects of things.
Um, and it was it was just a clear stark difference, and it was really nice to see my fellow realtors and brokers out there having the same um reception uh showing him that kind of support um as I as I know him to have um because I know what he stands for.
So um, it was nice to see Steve.
steve bannon
Give give uh give uh one one more time uh before I let you bounce about your go-you're because your campaign, you're a bootstrap campaign, as most of these are at the local level.
You're going door to door.
Give me the response when you knock because you're knocking on everybody's door.
When you knock on independence and you knock on registered democrats, what response are you getting as you make your pitch as a Republican?
sophia georges
Yeah, when I knock on their doors, um, the first conversation I have is about property taxes and utilities.
Um, and as soon as I mentioned that to them, the first thing they say to me is I'm a Democrat.
I've always always voted Democrat, but this year I am not voting Democrat.
They have um really taken it this year um too far, and people are starting to pay attention, and the normal uh, you know, day-to-day just you know, they they don't really get that involved in the local politics, but this year they're getting involved, they're paying attention because the families are hurting and they're looking for solutions.
And Jack Ciarelli has been going out there and giving those policies um and and really nailing it home and very very specifics, and people are really attracted to that.
And um, I really think today uh was a clear and stark difference uh of how he's going to improve the uh housing affordability crisis here in New Jersey.
steve bannon
Folks, uh, we got a dog fight in New Jersey.
I think we're about to have one in California, but this New Jersey race uh could be everything, it could be a real bellwether for 26.
Sophia, uh, where do people go to find out more about your race and where they find you on social media?
sophia georges
Okay, um, you can go to FTGOP.org.
You can read all about the campaign, um, some of these uh housing affordability issues and other issues that are hot topics in Franklin Township.
Um, I'm running in ward number three.
Um, there's also a donation link.
Um, I appreciate everybody's uh support.
Anyone who can give a little, I appreciate it.
You know, we're in the last final weeks here, and we need some help um in that department just to get our message out.
Um, you can also find me at RealSafe Real Estate.com.
All my socials are on there.
Um, and I talk about these issues there quite often.
So um I'm glad people are paying attention, Steve.
unidentified
Let's take it home from New Jersey.
steve bannon
No, you called it six months ago.
Thank you, ma'am.
Look forward to having you back on here.
Scott Pressler was at Penn State, right?
With Cliff uh Maloney and um, of course, Benny Johnson was up there.
They had this memorial for Charlie Kirk.
Thousands of people showed up to get the white freedom shirts that Charlie Kirk had on at the very moment he was assassinated out in uh Utah.
Um Scott Pressworth tells you they all day you saw the videos of Scott, he's signing folks up in the parking lots, uh the parking lot out there with the knitting lions at uh at the great stadium out there at Penn State.
And um Scott Presser will tell you Pennsylvania is the new Ohio, he believes, and New Jersey could be the new Pennsylvania.
That's where this governor's race is everything.
Also, I got some great field reports of folks in California knocking on doors about this proposition 50 that has to pass in order for them to get the five seats that offsets Texas.
We'll have to grass on the next couple days to go through All that short commercial break.
They're having a reception for Gold Star Mothers in the White House right now.
Tina Peters is not there.
Her lawyer's going to join us to tell us exactly why next week.
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There's a gold star reception by the president First Lady happening in the White House right now.
One gold star mother we know is not there.
That is uh Tina Peters, who's in a prison in Colorado.
Her lawyer Peter Tinkin joins us.
Peter, why are we having a reception in the White House for Gold Star Mothers, which are equivalent to the Roman Republic's Vestal Virgins or the Oracles in ancient Greece, like the highest, you can't get higher than that.
The Gold Star mothers are revered having their sons or daughters die in combat or in defense of this country.
Why is Tina Peters riding in a prison in Colorado and not at that reception today, sir?
peter ticktin
That's a great question.
From our legal point of view, we're attacking it in three different ways.
You know, we've got our appeal going on in the court of appeals in the state court, which we expect to win, even though we don't look what once a state goes to the left.
Once the politics, once the election is fixed or whatever, and it goes to the left, then they start picking judges that are to the left.
Colorado, you know, there are a number of states, Colorado being one that is pretty well far gone at this point.
And so the judge that tried the case with the with uh Tina Peters, it was a kangaroo court.
Uh she wasn't allowed to put on her main defenses.
And even if the court of appeals is a little bit to the left, as a matter of law, they're gonna have to look at this thing because hopefully they are jurists and not just like the trial judge was.
And they will give credence to our arguments because the arguments are clear.
Any place in the country, you need to be able to put on your defenses.
And so uh we're hoping for success in that.
We're we're we we we're only hoping we're not expecting it.
The second place that we're going for help is to the federal court because actually Pat Patrick McSweeney, uh John Case, uh Robert uh Sincar and uh Stephanie Lamford that they form the rest of the team that you know I that I lead.
And uh they did uh they did a tremendous job.
The the petition for rid of habeas corpus in the federal court was was a masterpiece by Patrick Patrick McSweeney's name is on it, but I'm sure everybody participated.
That was before I joined the team.
And uh we're expecting or again hoping we have a judge that really seems to be a fair judge there, and uh now we're talking about the federal court system, which is a little bit different.
We've got a magistrate judge, so he's not one of those that was appointed by the president and then approved by Congress, but nevertheless, he really seems to look at this thing from a fair point of view.
I think we're gonna get a fair shake, and if we do, we'll get her out.
And then the third avenue that we have is working with the uh weaponization department of the Department of Justice.
And uh they had a pretty good plan as to how to have her moved from one situation to another.
And it uh ended up going to uh Todd Blanch, I understand, and uh there it's at.
There nothing happened.
He scuttled it.
I don't know why.
He just did.
So uh, I mean, this is something that Donald Trump has been very vocal about or very uh much in the news about.
Uh you know, I'd say we have a great president.
I mean, he sees it.
He sees the picture.
You you call your show the the war room or the, you know, and and and most people don't really get it.
They don't know that we're really at war.
But Donald Trump gets it.
You get it.
steve bannon
And what we had by the way, the one things you worked out, and what Todd Blaine, I I know there's some something going on in justice, and maybe that'll become clear in the next week or so.
But the BOP, Bureau of Prisons and State Prins do swaps or reallocations of people, I think all the time.
The Bureau of Prisons is always in conversations with states.
And I think you guys had a had a had an alternative that it was just going to be held in that regard, and she was going to set to a federal prison.
Yeah, Jared Polis, and and the governors never get involved really in these things, is my understanding.
He stepped into the middle of it and said, No way.
Basically, Tina Peters is his hostage, right?
And he's going to hold her because he's going to run for president.
He's going to make a very big deal about us going after the stolen election of 2020.
He's he's on this new ad where he's running around with his buddy Cox in Utah, and they're trying to come up with a more sensitive way to discuss problems.
When he is specifically the single biggest holdup for either the movement of Tina Peters to a federal to the federal prison system and or the release of Tina Peters, who's in her 70s, has had some health issues,
and then is in a medium security prison in Colorado in general population, not even in an honor unit, uh, with all the danger that has, and that polis who presents himself as just, you know, this uh wonderful guy uh that wants the country not to not to be at each other's throats, that he's personally the one that has deemed that she he's gonna she's gonna be his hostage, sir.
peter ticktin
No, I I don't believe that.
I don't understand it to be the case, and I've been very involved in the process.
It never got to the governor.
It never got to that point where he can say yes or no, or anybody ever brought it to him.
This was scuttled by uh my understanding is that after everything was set up, and she could have been released on her birthday.
She was 70, by the way, on September 11th, and she could have been transferred on her birthday.
Instead, she is still where she is, and it it I don't think it had anything to do with the governor of the state of Colorado.
It could, you know, once he's given an opportunity, but that didn't happen yet.
steve bannon
But you're saying you you're saying you're saying that that the BOP didn't even gauge that the paperwork or whatever didn't even make it to Colorado for whatever reason, so the polis couldn't make that individual decision.
If that's the case, who's holding it up on our side, who's holding it up on our side?
peter ticktin
Todd Blanche, the same guy that's holding up all the pardons, which we haven't had since May, a pardon granted.
The same guy that's holding up uh the J6 defendants, are he's he's opposing them for getting any compensation at all.
So that that that's that's gonna be gone if he's still staying, if he stays in that seat, you know, this is what's gonna happen.
He's interfered with our ability to get evidence in regard to uh the uh Dominion Machines.
He he's he is the man is an intelligent guy and he's an effective guy.
Uh there's no question about that.
So I don't get it.
I don't understand.
It's not like I had a conversation with him and he told me that he decided not to do it.
steve bannon
But but but hang on for a second.
He's he's number one, the guy's I know him pretty well.
Uh he's the president's lawyer.
He did a magnificent job defending President Trump to even get us here.
Uh he's kind of considered the workhorse inside of DOJ as what's called DAG, the deputy attorney general.
Um, what is it about these topics that if you haven't had a conversation with him, the people who have had a conversation?
Why why since he's the and he's touted as a guy, if Pam Bondy was to leave, he would be the next attorney general.
That's the level of confidence President Trump has in him.
Why has he been reticent or hesitant on on the various issues you just brought up, including the one that's most important to us right now is Tina Peters?
peter ticktin
I can only guess, but I just want to correct one thing first.
You're saying that Tina Peters is in minimum security.
That's not the case.
There's only two women's prisons, two women's prisons in Colorado.
steve bannon
I didn't say minimal.
I didn't I didn't say minimum.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
I didn't say minimum.
I said she was in a medium.
No, I said medium.
peter ticktin
She's in the murderer.
steve bannon
Security prison is quite yeah, that she's in with the in a medium prison.
It's very dangerous.
She's in very and she's in general population.
peter ticktin
I I I yes.
steve bannon
Which is dangerous.
peter ticktin
Yes, she's got murderers.
She's got some of the monsters that they put in Max in her prison that threaten her.
Every night she goes to sleep, and she'll tell you this herself about how you're in contact with her.
And she thinks you're the best, by the way.
unidentified
Uh and she uh But she's about Peter, she's she's in danger.
steve bannon
She's in there's no doubt she's in danger.
She's in a meeting.
I was in a low, and lows are dangerous in the federal system.
A medium, that is like gladiator school, right?
Tina Peters should not be, and she's in general population, she's not even in a in a honor unit.
They are purposely exposing Tina Peters.
My belief, I I'd like to hear from you.
I think they're purposely exposing her to danger, intimidation, and outright terrorism every day.
peter ticktin
Yeah.
That's what I was gonna say.
Every night she when the the lights are off and it's finally in the end of the day, she's surprised.
She told me she's surprised every single night that she managed to survive another day.
That's what she's in.
And you're so right, Steve.
I mean, she I I can't disagree with you because you're that's what they're doing to her.
She's a political prisoner in this war.
steve bannon
Here's what here's what goals me to be.
peter ticktin
Because why?
steve bannon
Because she so much.
peter ticktin
She preserved evidence.
She she preserved the truth.
So the person who preserved the truth is in prison, and the people who wanted to hide the truth, install a program that would have wiped out the Dominion Machine memory for the entire 2020 election.
They're the ones that put her there.
And that's the way it is.
We're fighting a war here in the United States, and we've got to win it.
steve bannon
Peter, what galls me the most is there's a reception today for the gold star mothers, which they obviously deserve.
I mean, it ought to be more frequent, hosted by the first lady and the president, and um, and Tina Peters is in a very dangerous situation in a prison uh as a political prisoner.
Uh we got to bounce, but uh the Tina Peters legal defense fund, you guys are gonna need some money.
Where do people go if they're so inclined to find out more and to pitch in for Tina Peters defense?
Because you guys are fighting on multiple fronts, and you just talked about I know Pat McSwinny since I was a little boy.
He was uh my his mom was my mom's best friend, and he's one of the smartest lawyers in the country, but you've got a top flight team.
They gotta be paid.
So where do people go to pitch in?
peter ticktin
Well, there's two places the Tina Peters fund that you mentioned, and also uh with which has different options on it, or uh the American Rights Alliance, ARA, American Rights Alliance dot com.
That that would be a good place to make it.
steve bannon
America Rights Alliance or the Tina Peters Legal Defense Fund, we'll get them both up.
People you can go check them out, but Tina Peters needs some backup, and I gotta tell you, in a prison, particularly in the prison she's in, uh every day of her life.
Uh she's in jeopardy.
She's a political prisoner, and they're trying to break her.
Now, you can't break Tina Peters because she's unbreakable.
She's one of the most amazing women I've ever met.
peter ticktin
She's an American hero.
Absolutely.
steve bannon
American hero and a patriot.
Peter, so are you?
Thank you.
So thank you so much for coming on.
We look forward to working with you to get this mess sorted.
And it is a mess.
peter ticktin
Thank you.
steve bannon
Once again, Peter uh Tina Peters, there's a there's a reception at the White House for the Gold Star Mothers, of which they so richly deserve.
Like I say, in the Roman Republic, it's kind of the equivalent of the Vestal Virgins or in Athens, kind of the equivalent of the of the C the Soothsayers, the the visionaries with the Oracle of Delphi.
That's the Gold Star Mothers, and Tina Peters rots in a prison.
It's absolutely disgusting and revolting.
Ube Shandahar, give me your perspective, sir.
You've done such a great job for us for breaking down a very not just contentious but confusing part of the world.
Walk us through what happened today in the White House and kind of which, as you've been briefing me, the vast support this has from uh the nations, the Arab nations and the nations of the Middle East, because I say, hey, Israel's kind of given a take or leave it.
They weren't really included in the negotiations here.
So what is the 20-point plan?
How meaningful is it, sir?
oubai shahbandar
Well, what we saw in the White House today is really textbook statementship by President Trump, and it could very well be a historic day for peace, not just to end the war in Gaza, but to set the foundation for what could be a wider peace, a wider picture of peace in the Middle East and the expansion of the Abraham Accords.
First thing, first, we've seen an unprecedented joint press release from countries across the Arab and Muslim world that was just released from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Qatar, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Republic of Turkey,
and the Arab Republic of Egypt, all thanking President Trump for his leadership and for his sincere efforts to try to bring this horrific war in Gaza to an end, to end the fighting, to return the hostages.
We haven't seen anything like that before.
And we heard President Trump with the first thing that he talked about when he got up there with uh Bibi Netanyahu in front of the press was talking about how his meetings, President Trump's meetings in New York in the preceding weeks with members with the leaders of the Muslim and Arab world really was the turning point that led to this agreement and led to this uh joint announcement by President Trump and D.B. Netanyahu for a historic peace deal that's now on the table
for Hamas, the whole world waiting for Hamas to sign that deal.
Why it was so important for President Trump to get the buy-in of these countries is because they're the mediators, they're the ones that you need to put the pressure on Hamas.
That's why President Trump sat down there with Bibi Netanyahu watching as he called the prime minister of Qatar, uh, you know, Muhammad Al Tani, and had Bibi essentially apologize to the prime minister of Qatar for launching that air strike, uh attempting to kill the Hamas negotiators, ended up killing a Qatari national.
So President Trump essentially pressuring Bibi Netanyahu to apologize to Qatar for violating their national sovereignty and for killing a Qatari national.
That air strike, by the way, failed to kill the Hamas negotiating team.
That was also a turning point because then that united the whole Arab world and key Muslim countries who, for the first time, got together and were able to agree on something, and told President Trump, hey, we need to end this war.
And so now President Trump is able to unite those countries.
He praised the leadership of Indonesia, of the king of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the Crown Prince, and the Emir of Qatar and the President Sisi of Egypt.
And this is something we haven't seen the president do before: bring the Arab and Muslim world together, and then to bring the prime minister of Israel to agree to a plan that this whole region wants in place to end the fighting and could then perhaps expand the Abraham Accords.
A couple of key points to this agreement that President Trump has negotiated for our viewers here.
One, it immediately returns the hostages, both the ones that remain alive and the bodies of the deceased back to their families.
It immediately ends the fighting and it sets a timetable for eventual Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.
A key point that those Arab and Muslim countries uh who had been meeting with President Trump that was included in the deal is that it does not allow Israel to annex Gaza or annex the Palestinian territories in the West Bank.
That was a key concession.
And even though there's no discussion explicitly of a two-state solution in this 20-point plan.
It does set a framework for eventual reform of the Palestinian authority, which even the Arab and Muslim countries believe is corrupt.
That could then be that could then lead to negotiations with Israel.
So President Trump has put himself as the chairman of what he calls.
steve bannon
Yeah.
He's supportive peace.
If they put this money in, I keep telling the guys, because I'm not a two state solution guy.
I've always been the one state.
You can't have a two-state.
Right now, you've worked your way because of back in Netanyahu.
This is a framework for a two-state solution.
If they put the money in to do the stop the war, clean up the mess, redevelop it to the degree they want.
That's going to be the foundation of the Palestinian state.
One last thing you brought up, which I think is very important.
When President Trump talked about the Abraham Accords, he's the one that mentioned, including the Persians, get the Persians to sign up.
This has been something that really came out of the Gulf Emirates, who, as you know, are not friendly to the Persians.
He's saying the Abraham Accords, he wants to include uh the Iran to actually sign it.
That that puts to bed further potential regime change.
I mean, the Europeans have done the snapback right now of the economic sanctions.
I'm a huge supporter of cutting off the Chinese comedy party cash for oil that keeps the Moolas alive.
So maybe President Trump sees a way there to handle that without getting back to a kinetic side.
We got to bounce.
Where do people, I want to have you back on it.
We're gonna break this down further because right now there's 72 hours, and you're absolutely correct.
President Trump united him, they put out this joint press release.
They've never done that in their life.
They're basically telling Hamas the game is up.
We're not gonna finance it, we're not gonna do anything.
You've got to lessen up.
You got Trump.
You know, you got you're only gonna have Trump once, right?
So you got to do this.
But they got 72 hours.
And Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood has an amazing track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory all the time.
So uh don't put it past them.
That's perfectly put that they could botch it.
And plus, there's some there, they're they're they're the the right wing uh that's seething about the West Bank.
Hey, they're gonna try to do everything to scuttle the steel, too.
So there's so many movements.
oubai shahbandar
No doubt about this.
steve bannon
Ube will have you back on.
What's your what's your social media?
Where do people go?
oubai shahbandar
I'm exclusively on axe formerly Twitter, OS26.
Trump will fix it.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
Wow.
Government shutdown, uh peace.
He called it eternal peace.
God bless him.
Did you see the uh the effort he's putting in tomorrow?
Every general and admiral, all of them show up at Quantico.
Pete Heggseth's gonna give him a talk about the warrior ethos.
And I think the commander in chief might have a couple of three things to say.
I'm just guessing here.
Right.
We're gonna cover it all.
We'll see you back here at 10 a.m. Eastern time, Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow morning.
We'll be back in the war room.
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