Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 855: I Went To Prison So You Don't Have To

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Sept. 24, 2025 - Bannon's War Room

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WarRoom Battleground EP 855: I Went To Prison So You Don't Have To

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peter navarro

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steve bannon

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unidentified		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
		Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
		Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The people have had a belly full of it.
unidentified		I know you don't like hearing that.
unidentified		I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen.
unidentified		And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		MAGA media.
unidentified		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
		Here's your host, Stephen K. Battle.
		It's Tuesday, 23 September, the year of our Lord 2025, and I can't think of a better way to end really a couple of historic days, starting with Charlie Kirk's, the first MAGA state funeral on Sunday, particularly with President Trump's, what I would say is fiery remarks, coupled with what happened yesterday in the Roosevelt room, which was nothing short of historic.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Then on top of that, the signing of the Antifa terrorist designation, and then President Trump today going into the lines then in a complete and total throwdown against the globalists.
unidentified		It was a the last three days have had a different intensity, even in the most intense term in American presidential history.
unidentified		That's not me saying that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's Jim Vanderhey and Mike Allen, the two guardians of the conventional wisdom in Washington, D.C., the Imperial Capitol, the founders of Politico, the founders of Axios, and now still the chief editors of Axios.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Their brilliant piece today about the Trump presidency.
unidentified		I got it up on Getter.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's breathtaking in the fact that Jim Vanderhey says flat out, there has never been more accomplished in any first year of any presidency in the history of the United States of America, including FDR.
unidentified		Pretty big from a liberal progressive like Jim Vanderhey, just flat out.
		One of the key architects of that, a dear friend and colleague, is Dr. Peter Navarro in this amazing book that you have to read because Hakeem Jeffries told you folks yesterday, because they're being forced into a corner.
		They have to say this.
		They're going to have to do it.
		He said, hey, look, we're taking notes and all of you guys are going to prison as soon as we take over the House and then win the White House.
		So Peter Navarro's book, I went to Prison So You Don't Have To, believe me when I say this, they are coming for you.
		Okay?
		They're using Trump and Navarro and Bannon and others, Alex Jones and others, as just guys getting in the way.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They're coming for you as they came for Charlie Kirk.
unidentified		Okay.
		Peter, I want to start off.
		I always wanted to do an hour, and we were going to do it up live, but the assassination of Charlie Kirk, it was in remembrance of him.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We decided to delay that.
unidentified		I want to go, I want to start this off by talking, when I say one of the most, I think, important days in our movement and one of the blackest moments in American history was your apprehension by the FBI at Reagan Airport.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I want to go through detail, including what happened to Bonnie, one of the finest women I've met.
unidentified		Because you're just not any person.
		You have been the architect of President Trump's kind of trade and manufacturing policy.
		You were brought into the campaign before he won the primary to actually add some heft and some focus and some detail and some more substrate to President Trump's economic plan to bring jobs back here to America.
		Your entire adult life, and including with the administration, was about putting citizens of this country first, the country first and citizens first.
		And there's so many families out there today that owe not just to Donald Trump, but to yourself.
		And I want you to go through in detail and tell, and this is one of the reasons you got to get the book, tell people what was in your mind, what happened.
		Reagan National Airport is one of the busy, not just busiest airports in the country, but it's so many prominent people, congressmen, senators, media people, prominent donors, go through that airport all day long.
		The FBI did something to you to humiliate you and break you as a man, break you as a man.
		And it shows your toughness and the fact that you can't be broken to this incident.
		Talk to me about it.
		Well, Steve, you and I, we didn't bend when they sent us to prison.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		We didn't break.
unidentified		That's who we are.
		I went to prison so you won't have to.
		It's a book about me and Bonnie, our prison diaries.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		It's a foreword by the great Steve Bannon, but the book's not about you and I.
unidentified		It's not about Bonnie.
		It's really about this unprecedented attempt to come after people, put them in prison, kill them, bankrupt them.
		And I went to prison so you won't have to, is really, I think, a manifestation of what I think must be the sixth stage of grief for Charlie Kirk.
		You know, they always talk about the five stages of grief, but the sixth stage of grief, Steve, is accountability.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		Because if they can come for me, if they can come for you, they can try to kill Donald Trump, if they can kill Charlie, if they can do all of that, try to bankrupt Mike Lindell, try to bankrupt Rudy Giuliani, take away the law livelihood of John Eastman, Jeff Clark.
unidentified		Everybody, Steve, that I was in the White House with has suffered in some way by that targeting, and we must hold them accountable.
unidentified		And I went to prison so you won't have to is a book about naming names.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we know who they are.
		When I say they, we know exactly who they are.
		In my case, it was all the members of Congress with a D beside them.
unidentified		Same for you.
		It was the Attorney General, Merrick Garland, the U.S. Attorney Matt Graves, the prosecutors, John Crabb, Elizabeth Loy, the judge, Ahmed Mehta, the appeals court judges, Patricia Millette and Cornelia Pillard.
		And with Donald Trump, it was Comey, Clapper, Page, Strzok, all these people we talked about.
		But for me, you're absolutely right to start as I went to prison so you won't have to, starts in the first chapter with the takedown that fateful day at Reagan National Airport of my sweet fiancé Bonnie.
		I call her Pixie in the book.
		If you ever meet her, you'll know why.
		Five armed FBI agents took us down in a gangway on what was one of the happiest couple hours of our lives before we got, tried to board that plane.
		And I think people need to understand a couple of things.
		First of all, this was a misdemeanor.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		Second of all, white collar crime, Bonnie's about 4'11 with heels on, 95 pounds.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I'm like 74 years old, 145 pounds.
unidentified		And they needed, they thought they needed five armed FBI agents to take us.
		It was just a show.
		And the funny part about it is, Darkly comic, Steve, is that I actually at the time lived right across the street from the FBI.
		I was a field goal kicker back in the day.
		I could literally kick a field goal from my balcony over to their porch.
		That's how close they were.
		So they had the CNN cameras were ready.
		The CNN knew they were coming for me before I knew.
		And leg irons, handcuffs.
		They put me in John Hinckley's old cell and made a point of telling me that's who had been there, like there was some equivalence between standing up for the Constitution and trying to kill a president.
		And so it went.
		And what this, Steve, what I went to prison so you won't have to, is a book about how they try to take us out using lawfare, the weaponization of government.
		And they can come for anybody.
		See, that's the message.
		You watching this show, they're coming for you.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying they can, they're coming for you if they get back power.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I mean, these people, these people who would literally dance on the grave of Charlie Kirk while his body was still warm is the grossest kind of signal.
unidentified		That signal, Steve, that's not noise.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		That's signal about who these people are and why we must protect ourselves.
unidentified		And the only way to do it is hold them accountable.
		And we're not doing that, Steve.
		We're not doing that at anywhere near the pace we should.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		Now, the other thing I should tell you, Steve, about that whole arrest is there was a very important historical figure who took me down, a guy named Walter Giordina.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		At the time, I thought he was just another FBI agent, kind of unwilling to speak up against the tyranny of that agency at the time.
unidentified		But it turns out through the efforts of Chuck Grassley and FBI whistleblowers that this guy, Giordina, is actually, I call him the forest gump of the FBI, because he was literally involved in every single attempt to stop Donald Trump from getting elected or to throw him out of office once he was in.
		And he was like, according to whistleblowers, the guy who read the Steele dossier, which was a fake document launching the Russia hoax, paid for by Hillary Clinton.
		Indisputable fact.
		He was one of the FBI agents that gave it its blessing, said it was true, and that set off Crossfire Hurricane, which was the Russia hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax.
		And then he was on the Mueller effort, the witch hunt of the Mueller report.
		And then he was on Operation Crimson River, which was a license to get the phone records and emails of everybody in the administration.
		And then he was on Arctic Frost, which was all the J6 takes down.
		And he was the guy, Steve, that put me in leg irons, put me in handcuffs, knocked on my door at dawn with subpoenas, testified, I would argue reading the transcript, lied about what things happened there, and Grassley called him out on that just recently.
		So it's a heck of a start to the book, I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To.
		Look, this is an important hour for us, Steve, because we've got to get to the real meat and bones of this.
		Because you and I went to prison.
		They call us the fascist, Steve.
		How dare they?
		These bastards put you and I in prison.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		They tried to put Donald Trump in prison.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		They tried to kill him twice.
unidentified		They killed Charlie Kirk.
		And they went after every single person I served with in the White House who was a senior advisor.
		And they call us fascists.
		How dare they?
		We're coming after you, folks.
		We're coming after you.
		But the difference is we're going to do it legally and we're going to hold you accountable for what you've done, which is illegal.
		And we're going to do it permanently.
		Yeah.
		And we're going to do it permanently because you're not coming back to power.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That we can guarantee you.
unidentified		Okay.
		I want to go back to something, though, because people don't know being shackled and put in leg irons publicly.
		It was a misdemeanor.
		The FBI knew where you were.
		They knew everything.
		They could have called you in and said, meet us at the office and we'll do this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's a misdemeanor.
unidentified		Yes.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's a misdemeanor.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		They knew this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They did this to break you and humiliate you.
		That to me is such a when you get the book, you're so enraged by the opening of it, you just blow through this book and you get angrier and angrier, and that's what we want you to be because we're not going to make changes unless the people in the country understand this ain't about Navarro.
		It's not about the president.
unidentified		It's not about Steve Bennett, Charlie Kirk, or anybody else that they came after, Alex Jones, all of it, is about this audience because they're coming for you.
		They hate what we stand for.
		They hate this political movement and they're not going to stop.
		And that's why this book, I think, Peter, is a tremendous primer.
		And as soon as I saw the draft of what you did, I said, hey, we got to do this at Warren Books.
		I want to do this because I love this book so much.
		Not just got the side story you and Bonnie, which is inextricably linked to the whole thing, but it is a warning to everyday Americans about what is coming and what you will be treated like, sir.
		Well, one of the most unforgivable things that they did was to to Bonnie.
		I still remember when they're surrounding us with their guns and things like that in the gangway, just holding her to me and telling her that everything was going to be fine.
		And then watching her get perp walked, Steve, perp walked through an airport in front of the world.
		And it's like, that's the thing.
		It's like Jeff Clark, when they went into his house, right, they scared the hell out of his kids.
		It's like, no, you don't do that.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		There's no humanity there.
unidentified		And so what we must do is get people to understand that what we stand for is very simple.
		The MAGA is very simple, Steve.
		It's an end to endless wars.
		It's fair trade and it's secure borders.
		And that's all we stand for.
		And if we get to that, everybody in this country, regardless of party, is better off.
		And instead, what they do is declare war on us.
		And so, like, in the book, it starts out.
		You know, the other thing that was so interesting about my situation is that I never should have been put in prison before my appeal was heard.
		It's just like they arrested me, put me in prison for a misdemeanor with 200 felons.
		The normal case when you get convicted for a misdemeanor, which has profound constitutional implications, which is a case that will likely be overturned on appeal, is you let the person stay out.
		And we're in a situation now, Steve, I know you know this, but the two judges who said I had to go to prison because there were no appealable issues on the appeals court, Patricia Millette, Cornelia Pillard, two appeals court judges right here in D.C.
		They have ruled by sending me to prison that I have no appealable issues.
		Guess who's sitting on my appeals panel of the three judges?
		Same two.
		And so this is stuff.
		And I went to prison so you won't have to.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		You find out things like, hey, if they arrest you, if they charge you, you don't get to argue to the jury your defense.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		My defense was, hey, the president invoked executive privilege.
unidentified		It was my duty to the Constitution to refuse that subpoena.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I had 50 years of Department of Justice policy behind me.
unidentified		And that friggin' judge, Ahmed Mehta, ruled that I couldn't utter the two words executive privilege in that courtroom or be held in contempt and go to prison that way.
unidentified		So they were going to get me either way.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's like the book itself.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, it's Kafka, it's a little bit of catch-22 Joseph Heller.
unidentified		It's a lot of Stephen King.
unidentified		And it's something that I hope that the posse here will be a forced multiplier on.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		You need to get this, get this and read it, but get a couple of them, get it in the hands of everybody you can so we can hold these people accountable, Steve.
unidentified		But hang on, hang on, hang on.
unidentified		I want you to go in because I want the audience to understand this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		About, and this is what they use against President Trump.
unidentified		Talk about the D.C. federal court system, because I think people out there in the rest of the country have no earthy idea.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, this is so rigged.
		I had no earthy idea.
		I'm not a lawyer.
unidentified		I avoided going to law school.
		You know, I use a lot of lawyers.
		Retain them.
		I had no earthy idea.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		People kept telling me about D.C., the federal court, and the appellate court, the circuit court.
unidentified		It just kind of went in one ear and out the other.
		Until I saw it, I go, holy mackerel, are you kidding me?
		To talk to them about it, this is why they chose to come there about President Trump.
		Walk through the D.C. court, what the nation needs, what you show in the book and what the nation needs to know.
		Sure, sure, absolutely.
		So the D.C. court is actually kind of interesting because it's often a stepping stone to the Supreme Court.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		There's a number of justices who were in that court, either the district level or the appeals court.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		It's all in the same area and building.
unidentified		And the problem we face around this country is that there's just a lot of what you call politicians in black robes.
unidentified		In other words, these are the people who have somehow been annoying judges and all they do is advance political agendas.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		So this guy, this judge, his name's Ahmed Mehta.
unidentified		And he basically used me in the course of that trial as a way eventually to get, he wants to be the first Indian American on the Supreme Court.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		And the way he got seated, Steve, is interesting in and of itself.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		He was a bundler.
unidentified		You know, you, of all people, know what a bundler is, campaign bundler for Obama back in 2008.
		And he parlayed that into a seat on the court.
		And somehow, this fiction in America that somehow somebody who's worked their way up the ladder, curried favor with a political party to get a judgeship, suddenly puts on the black robe and abandons all politics and becomes this all-wise person.
		It's nonsense.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely nonsense.
		So I get in this courtroom and it's like every ruling this guy made, there wasn't a single ruling that he ruled in our favor.
		And I had two very good lawyers writing very good motions.
unidentified		We never got it.
unidentified		So I wanted to know, for example, why they prosecuted me and not Dan Scavino and Mark Meadows.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm glad they didn't, but strip away everything.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		We were charged with exactly the same alleged crime, refusing to testify.
unidentified		That's it.
		Okay, there's no mitigating it.
		They should have been charged, but they didn't.
		I tried to get discovery to figure out why.
		I tried to get discovery about who ordered my leg irons arrest, how far up the chain it went.
		Chris Ray over to, I don't know, Matt Graves, maybe up to Merritt Garland.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		We needed to know this to argue selective prosecution.
		They wouldn't let us do that.
		They wouldn't let some of our witnesses come in.
unidentified		We had somebody who, and then the worst part is this whole notion of they just ruled that I couldn't argue executive privilege.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		That was my defense, but I couldn't argue it.
unidentified		And we got the judge to hold what's called an evidentiary hearing.
		And over the course of almost an hour, I established on five different occasions the privilege had been invoked.
		And then at the end of that, he goes, well, wasn't good enough.
		And so by that, it's like I couldn't argue the case.
		And then the jury, Steve, this is like crazy stuff, right?
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		You saw this.
unidentified		I'm in Voir Deere, right?
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		And I'm knowing that 95% of the jurors, because they're drawn from the voter pool, voted for Joe Biden, right?
unidentified		And some of these jurors, prospective jurors, are saying, well, I don't like Trump.
unidentified		And then the judge would always say, Do you think you can be objective?
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		And they go, oh, yes, I can be objective.
unidentified		Okay, you're on the jury.
		And the one or two people we had that looked like they might be fair, the prosecutors understood it as well.
		So they were gone.
		And so this was the same court that got all the J6 people, sent them to jail without any bail, made them spend time before they were even charged, continually overcharged them, put long prison terms on.
		I mean, in a fair trial, I would have been acquitted on the basis of executive privilege.
		Even if I had been convicted, it would have been probation and not imprisonment.
		And that's not what happened.
		And there's one funny story in the book, I went to prison so you won't have to, about how the jury's deadlocked.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		Steve, in your case, they went out and they came back in like in record time, right?
unidentified		Guilty ban and go to jail, whatever.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		With me, there was like at least some suspense, Steve, where hours went by and we're thinking, oh, this is kind of interesting.
unidentified		And the judge lets the jury go outside the courtroom for a walk.
		They wanted to get some, quote, fresh air.
		And they got some fresh air right in the middle of all the protesters out there with signs like jail Navarro, hang Navarro, this, that, and the other thing.
		They get back in, and like, I don't know, eight minutes later, it's guilty verdict.
		And we said, mistrial, and the judge, of course, said, well, no, there was, uh, they were peaceful out there, so no mistrial.
		So the other thing I should tell you is like, okay, so we get convicted.
		You and me get convicted.
		We had, I don't know, I think there's seven times we appealed different things.
		And those two judges I referenced earlier, Millette and Pillard, either one or both of them were on every single appeal of the, and there are only three judges on appeal that you and I had, Steve.
		So this idea that the appeals are random is just nonsense.
		And I mean, these people, I don't know where they got their law degrees, really, up the back of a corn flags box or something.
		What do you mean?
		It's not about the law.
		It's about politics.
		You said the first thing.
		That's the law.
		That's the point.
		It's a kangaroo court.
		And they're so obvious about it.
		This is one of the reasons you get so infuriated as you read your book.
		And folks, this is not going to change even by the time Trump's out.
		You've got to go back now.
		One good thing I've heard is about the audit pens for the judges.
		I'm hearing from U.S. attorneys that there may be some whole question of that.
		But the DC district, it's a totally rigged game.
		I mean, I had a judge that was, I had a judge that we had actually worked on his confirmation.
		He's a Trump judge.
		He was homeless.
		He wasn't as bad as yours.
		Yours was insanely over the top and clearly hated you, right?
		But here's the thing.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		These people never in a million years thought we were coming back.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They never, if you attack the brain of the judge, if Peter Navarre would be back in the White House, are you, can Donald Trump be back in the White House?
unidentified		Steve Bannon would be yelling and screaming on his Charvi Day.
		They had no, I tell you what, Peter, hang on.
		We're going to take a short commercial break here.
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unidentified		That ain't the point.
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		And why is Lula rubbing up on President Trump at the UN when all the devil, all the demonist stuff he's been doing?
		Is that even a word?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Demonist?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Demonic.
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		Okay, Peter Navarro is with us, by the way.
		I'm putting up stuff on Gitter all the time, and so is Dr. Peter Navarro.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You can get all his kind, not all his kind.
unidentified		He's on Twitter and these other big platforms.
		Peter, now I want to pivot from how you got there in the rig system, and they came at you for a misdemeanor, which, by the way, in every other case in American history has been civil, but for Nura and Ben, it had to be criminal, right?
		Because Pelosi wanted us to go to prison.
		I might add that everybody associated with this in the House that condemned Peter Navarro and sent over to the Justice Department, sending him to prison in a rigged deal, all crawled on their bellies to get pardons, the staff, all of it, for pardons.
		And I'm not so sure those pardons are going to affect it.
		I'm pretty sure they're not going to hold, but I'll get to that later.
		I want to talk about now prison.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The proudest moment I've ever had, because I didn't really know all the details about your arrest at the time, but the proudest moment, dude, is when you walked into prison and stood before those sticks and just, I said, that's the Peter Navarro note.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You made it about an issue bigger.
unidentified		You're 70 some years old.
unidentified		And folks, prison is federal prison is dangerous.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's very dangerous for anybody.
unidentified		But for guys in their 70s to go into federal prison, having been senior executives in the United States government, and particularly with President Trump, they're sending you in there to get fucked with.
unidentified		Let me be blunt, okay?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Pardon my French.
unidentified		That's what they're doing.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And I was so proud.
unidentified		We covered it live.
		You went up to those sticks, and you were just the fighting banner rooster.
		You always are.
		Tell me about prison, particularly the night before.
		Nervous, all of it.
		What does the book tell me, sir?
		Steve, that was a surreal experience walking there.
		It was from the heart.
		And I really thank you and RAV for covering it.
		And then the bookends of that is like I walked out of prison on July 17th, I think it was 1 a.m. and wound up on the stage of the Republican National Convention, basically telling these people who had put me there for four months to go to hell, that we're going to win that election, and you're going to be held accountable.
		Prison, Steve, I would have called the book No Country for Old Men, but that title was taken.
		It was an interesting experience, but I think that you and I both spent our time in a way which was useful for the American people.
		I think the Democrats will regret sending me to prison because I uncovered what was a $4 billion scandal with respect to how Donald Trump's signature prison reform, the first step back, was not being implemented.
		Essentially, the BOP was breaking the law.
		Yeah, I got in there.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		The funny story the first couple of days, and there's a lot of funny stories as well as a lot of blood and violence, unfortunately.
unidentified		I'm in there, I'm out in the yard, and these three guys surround me, and I'm thinking, you know, what could go wrong here?
		And they're broken English.
		One of the guys says that they like me.
		And I go, why do you like me?
		And it's like, because you didn't snitch.
		And I kept a poker face, but I'm thinking, I'm laughing at my ass off inside thinking, what's the moral equivalence between me not talking to Congress in order to honor executive privilege in the constitutional separation of powers and not snitching on your gang member when you just robbed whatever it was.
		And There were those kinds of experiences.
		One point I did arguably save one guy's life.
		There's a story in the book about that, how I got him to a hospital on emergency bases.
		Really, really moving story.
		And then just like the prison economics, how they screw you at the commissary with higher prices, how the food, like I lost 12 pounds, Steven.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I didn't have 12 pounds to lose.
unidentified		The medicines there, they don't give it to the inmates.
		So guys who were on meds coming in and they don't get their meds, they flip out and there's the difficulty there.
		But you know, look, before I went in, I talked to Paul Manafort.
		And as bad as you and I had it, Steve, he arguably had it worse because he was arrested and held without bail before he even got to trial for a long time.
		And they really punished the crap out of him.
		But he stressed the importance of working.
		So every day I wrote the diary, which became the book, I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To.
		And every day I took care of my physical health as much as I could, given the constraints of the diet.
		I was like Switzerland in there.
		We had 200 people in there.
		About half of them were from Puerto Rico because, I don't know if you know this, Steve, but Puerto Rico doesn't have federal prisons to speak of because there's too much corruption down there.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		So they sent him over to the mainland.
unidentified		And so this idea that I was in like a camp, you know, can we joke about it that, but most of those folks were in for drug running, fairly significant drug offenses, often with guns.
		You had like the Haitians who were always kind of like the internet fraud.
		The white guys were the white-collar crime, like killing people with Oxy and stuff like that, or ripping off Medicare.
		And I just, you know, I was able to move seamlessly through that.
		I was called on to arbitrate some disputes which could have led into violence.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		And I became like the clubhouse lawyer for the first step back when guys needed medical care.
unidentified		I was the guy that called, because I was the only guy who could take risk.
		If people did what I did when I was on the inside, they'd get what called diesel therapy.
		They'd be out the door the next day and they'd be on a bus moving from Atlanta out to Oklahoma over to wherever for months on end.
		So look, I made the best of what was a bad time.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And if now on the outside, talk to us.
unidentified		No, hang on, but talk to us about.
		I want to put us in there when you first walk in.
		Give us the experience, like in the book, you first walk in, talk about the, because you're transitioning from, people don't understand this.
		Peter was in a camp, but it was a quite dangerous camp.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I was actually in a prison.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		When you walk in, you have no freedom.
unidentified		This is the thing I want people to fully understand.
		And it should scare this audience to its core.
		Peter Navarre and Steve have been pretty tough guys.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, when you walk into a prison, you have given up, when I say given up your freedom, you have, it's not just freedom, I can't go see the family, I can't run around, go to Starbucks.
unidentified		That's not the freedom I'm talking about.
		All of your own everything you do, they own you.
		You have no freedom of your micro universe.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You are a prisoner.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You are a convict.
unidentified		You are an inmate.
unidentified		Okay?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're nameless and faceless.
unidentified		You got a number, and the cops and the corrections officers and the administrators not only don't care in many situations, particularly given the fact that you're a Trump acolyte and associate, aren't ready to give you a group hug.
		So walk me through.
		I got about 10, 12 minutes here.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I want you to go through.
unidentified		When you walk away from those sticks and go through there, it's a difference of night and day because you're going from, you can do anything you want.
		You can walk to the refrigerator.
		You can go here.
		You can go there.
		You can cut the TV off.
		You can read a book.
		You can call somebody on a phone.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's all gone.
unidentified		You lose all not your freedom to go to Hawaii or something like that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You lose your freedom of your own person.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Peter Navarro.
unidentified		Yeah, Steve.
		It starts with how do you prepare for that day you walk in?
		Because I had some responsibilities.
		It's just things like paying the mortgage, taking care of Pixie, making sure everything on the outside was done.
		You got to prepare your contact list in advance as the people that you could call or email because they really, really constrain that.
		So you're like in this frenetic kind of thing, trying to get ready for that day you walk in.
		And you walk, I go from the sticks in my flight jacket after a dress in the world, essentially, into a holding area where they take you in, you strip down, they do the strip search stuff.
		Everything you own goes into a bag and a packet, and you're not going to see it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hold it, hold it, hold it, hang on, hang on.
unidentified		It ain't a strip search.
unidentified		It's a strip search means cavity check, okay?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		A cavity check.
unidentified		It is as much to humiliate you as to make sure that nothing that you're bringing in, you're not bringing anything into prison.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So, folks, be prepared to grab them, right?
unidentified		And have cops there and everything.
		The entire experience is made to humiliate you.
		The entire experience is made, they're trying to, they're trying to, the process, they're trying to break you and make you docile, okay?
		They're trying to institutionalize you.
		And they've got a whole system.
		The Bureau of Prison got a whole system of how that's going to happen, right?
		But you're going to be theirs.
		You're not going to be yours.
		That's the one thing you have to understand when you go in mentally that you must keep your person about you.
		You must be focused.
		That's why for me, it was an amazing experience.
		It's like being in a foreign country.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		When you go to the exhilaration of being in a foreign country, everything's new and everything's different.
unidentified		And your senses are more on alert.
unidentified		Your senses have to be to the 10th power because you're in an environment where they're trying to control you in one hand and it's quite dangerous given the general population on the other.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You got to be like in a Zen total focus, or you're going to get crushed, sir.
unidentified		And there was always the danger there that, because I was a Trump guy, and you had it too.
unidentified		They could take you out.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		The first couple of days are the most dangerous because that's when the other inmates are checking you out.
unidentified		But the first night was a darkly comic nightmare.
		There's a chapter and I went to prison, so you won't have to, called the coldest summer I ever spent.
		The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in a Miami prison because this is like the darkly absurd kind of thing.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		I go into my dorm and there's 50 guys and they're all like looking at me.
unidentified		It's like checking the Trump guy out.
		And I'm about 10 minutes in there and I start like my teeth are chattering and I go, what the hell's going on here?
		It was like 59 degrees, Steve, in this dorm in Florida.
		And I would find out soon that lightning had struck the electronics of the thermostat, and they didn't spend $100 to fix it.
		So instead, they spent several thousand dollars a month more basically running the air conditioner full bore.
		So I'm like, you know, so like just freezing.
		I saw my first taste of humanity there too as well, Steve, because the inmates, the culture there was when folks came in, if you passed the test of not being a snitch, and they had ways of going on the legal websites to figure out whether you had snitched or not.
		If you pass that test, they would help you get your sneakers and maybe a t-shirt and some running pants, whatever, until you were able to get the commissary.
		And I get in there and the commissary just by chance is like shut down.
		I'm going to be able to get the commissary to get anything for three weeks.
		Again, darkly comic stuff.
		I'm combing my hair, literally, Steve, with a fork.
		And it's like you just try to get into the rhythms.
		And they take your freedom.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		Let's be clear about it.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		There's five counts a day, right?
unidentified		At every one of those counts, you had to be by your bunk, standing at attention with your mouth shut.
		They come by and give you that look like you're a POS.
		And if you're not there, you're going to the shoe, the solitary.
		And at night, the part of the counts, they come flash their lights in your eyes to make sure you're breathing and stuff like that.
		And you and I joke about what's better.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
unidentified		All night long, the counts go at what, 10 o'clock, midnight, two, four.
		Three times.
		They come in and they put that flashlight right in your face, right?
		They're going to make sure that you're.
		Yeah.
		And it's like, and then you try to find your rhythms.
		The problem we had, one of the problems we had was we had a particularly aggressive, the SIS, these squads that would come in and toss the units and break stuff looking for contraband.
		Well, they're doing that for drugs.
		Okay, the place are fested with drugs and phones.
		You can't have either, right?
		And this is why you have SIS rates.
		It's just enough.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		In my place, there wasn't a lot of drugs.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		There was some marijuana, but they didn't have the K-stuff that you smoke that turns you into zombies.
unidentified		We had K-2.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		But the point is that there was one guy, I love this guy, Zach.
unidentified		He ran the laundromat, really hardworking guy, busted for the drugs and the gun and all of that.
		But he's trying to set his life straight.
		And he one time joked for me, joke that all they're looking for is stuff that you can buy in any 7-Eleven.
		And it was true, like the phones and things like that.
		And there's a funny story.
		Again, I try to, I did the diary every day kind of religiously.
		Sometimes like at 2 in the morning, I'm standing up and there's no computers or any of that stuff to do this stuff.
		And I go to get a dental exam, which was hilarious in and of itself because they were going to see if I had any dental work that needed to be done.
		And if I did, I wouldn't get it for another year when I was long gone, right?
		But this guy looks at my lips and he goes, you know, you're getting a little dryness there.
		It's prison.
		And he goes, you better get some sunblock.
		You need an SPF of like at least 70 or 100.
		And I go, sir, it's like the only thing they sell it is at the commissary is like, it's like a 30-sunblock.
		You know, you get fried out there.
		And he goes, well, don't worry, just go to Walgreens.
		And I go, dude, I called him dude at that point.
		It's like, I'm in prison.
		You know, knock, knock, you know, who's there and stuff like that.
		So I got a couple of minutes.
		Hang on.
		Hang on.
		I got a couple of minutes left.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This has been amazing, but I want you to make directly to this audience why this book, you need to buy this book and why you need to read this book and why you need to embrace the lessons of this book, sir.
unidentified		For the posse, for the war room posse, the top line of this is if they can come for me, they can come for you.
		If they can come for Steve Bannon, they can come for you.
		And it's even worse than that.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		They're coming for you.
unidentified		They want power back and they're coming for you.
		And this book, it's the sixth stage of grief for Charlie Kirk.
		We have to hold these people accountable.
		So I want, if you would, please, posse, like represent here.
		We got to drive this to the bestseller list and make a point.
		Because if we don't make this point that we're going to hold you accountable, they're going to do this as soon as they get power back.
		So that's the top line of the book.
		But it's also a story that's just, it's funny and interesting.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		You want to know the answer to what's it like to go to prison for a misdemeanor that you didn't really commit and be put in with 200 felons for a nice four-month vacation?
unidentified		Read the book.
		And the other thing, Steve, look, I haven't talked about this, but I actually went in there and I uncovered the scandal associated with the First Step Act that Donald Trump passed in 2018, where it's not being enforced.
		I put my policy hat on, my investigative reporter hat on.
		I figured exactly how to save this country $5 billion and lower the rest of the dividend rate by putting it in the middle of the middle.
		I got that, but you know what you're going to do?
		I've done exactly what I said needed to be done.
		President Trump, and Peter, people should know Peter and what he's doing over BOP with Jared and some other advisors is monumental in trying to get this mess sorted out because it is a mess.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And the guys running BOP will tell you that we are prisons.
unidentified		More importantly, this is why I put out the statement, I think it was 29 in either August or September, I came out and said that President Trump was going to win.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Only time I ever put anything from prison, I think it was six weeks before the election.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I said, Trump's got this because of my understanding of the prisoners and what Peter's talking about, the First Step Act.
unidentified		President Trump is kind of revered for what he's tried to do on these mass incarcerations.
unidentified		We got a bounce.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I want to know where to go get your writings, your editorials, your coordinates on social media, and the book, sir.
unidentified		Well, go to Amazon right now.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		Buy one for yourself, buy one for a friend.
peter navarro ▲ ● ▼		Amazon.com.
unidentified		I went to prison so you won't have to.
		And by the way, I just debuted, got my old PeterNavarro.com website back up.
		So that's your one-stop shop for all my social media for the book and everything like that.
		And I can't thank you enough, Steve, for writing the foreword to I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To, for publishing this under the War Room brand and for having this hour-long thing, be a force multiplier posse for us, because what Steve and I are doing is not for us, it's for you.
		Peter Navarro, we're going to end with the right stuff because I'm telling you, this is a guy that's got it.
		That kind of indescribable, just grit, determination, patriotism, all of it.
		A great American, a historic American.
		And the book is historic.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Buy it to see what happened, but put the lessons inside because guess what?
unidentified		It's not Trump, Bannon, and Navarro.
unidentified		They're coming for you hard.

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