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Sept. 5, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4757: Dinner With AI; Tech Bro's Take The White House
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mary holland
05:50
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steve bannon
29:29
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dr tom frieden
01:00
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elizabeth warren
04:01
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robert f kennedy-jr
01:43
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xavier becerra
01:01
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bill gates
00:08
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cass sunstein
00:35
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donald j trump
00:56
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jake tapper
00:10
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mark warner
00:58
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michael steele
00:27
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tim cook
00:15
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willie geist
00:21
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I want to go back to just again some basic facts.
Do you accept the fact that a million Americans died from COVID?
I don't know how many died.
You're the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
You don't have any idea how many Americans died from COVID?
I don't think anybody knows because there was so much data chaos coming out of the CDC and there was a lot of people.
And these are modernizations.
You don't know the answer of how many Americans died from COVID.
mark warner
This is the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
Do you think the vaccine did anything to prevent additional deaths?
robert f kennedy-jr
Again, I would like to see the data and talk about the data.
unidentified
You have had this job for eight months and you don't know the data about whether the vaccine.
The problem is that they didn't have the data.
The data by the Biden administration, absolutely dismal.
So when it comes to the case, who is politicizing?
You're saying the Biden administration politicized all the data?
Go back to what Campwell just fired Dr. Grant from Surgeon General.
robert f kennedy-jr
They fired Dr. Grant.
unidentified
They fired all the people who questioned the orthodoxy.
They fired Dr. Gruber, Dr. Cow.
Mr. Chairman, your Secretary of Health and Human Services doesn't know matter how many Americans died from COVID.
Doesn't know if the vaccine helped prevent any deaths.
And you are sitting as Secretary of Health and Human Services?
How can you be that ignorant?
What should states expect of these senators at this point?
What is it that families and communities expect of them?
michael steele
You're running for governor.
unidentified
What is your expectation of the senators, even if they don't represent your state, wherever they happen to be, to deal effectively with not just oversight, but making sure this man doesn't harm the American people with bad health policy?
Michael, representation is what we should expect from these senators.
There are millions, tens of millions of people that are represented by each of these senators, and for them to not represent the health and well-being of their constituents is dereliction.
We know that at this stage, CDC is not prepared to be the glue for 50 states when it comes to some catastrophic pandemic the way we saw with COVID.
xavier becerra
We know that losing some of your highest level health professionals and scientists is going to leave you at a disadvantage.
unidentified
And so at this stage, those senators should act.
xavier becerra
It shouldn't just be a hearing.
unidentified
They should take action.
From what I saw, and I think the senators saw the same thing, you have a Department of Health and Human Services, which is not protecting the people.
Take action.
You represent tens of millions of Americans.
Take action.
Make it right.
You know, it's time to hit the reset button on HHS.
elizabeth warren
Last November, while you were under consideration to become Secretary of Health and Human Services, Mr. Kennedy, you said, quote, if vaccines are working for somebody, I'm not going to take them away.
unidentified
No exceptions, no ifs, ands, or buts.
elizabeth warren
You would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them.
unidentified
Then last week, you announced the COVID-19 vaccine is no longer approved for healthy people under the age of 65.
In announcing the change, you said the vaccine will be available for anyone who wants it.
elizabeth warren
Now, obviously, both things cannot be true at the same moment.
unidentified
So let's clear this up right now, Secretary Kennedy.
elizabeth warren
Will you tell America that all adults and all children over six months of age are eligible to get a COVID booster at their local pharmacy today?
robert f kennedy-jr
Anybody can get the booster.
unidentified
I'm sorry?
robert f kennedy-jr
Anybody can get it.
elizabeth warren
So you're saying that is now the official rule of HHS.
Anybody is eligible to get a booster by just walking into the pharmacy.
robert f kennedy-jr
It's not recommended for healthy people.
elizabeth warren
No, no.
unidentified
If you don't recommend, then the consequence of that in many states is that you can't walk into a pharmacy and get one.
elizabeth warren
It means insurance companies don't have to cover the $200 or so cost.
unidentified
As Senator Dr. Cassidy said, you are effectively denying people vaccines.
robert f kennedy-jr
We're not going to recommend a product for which there's no clinical data for that indication.
Is that what I should be doing?
elizabeth warren
What you should be doing is honoring your promise that you made when you were looking to get confirmed in this job.
unidentified
You're going on that.
That is, you promised that you would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them.
You just changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.
robert f kennedy-jr
I'm not taking them away from people, Senator.
elizabeth warren
It takes it away if you can't get it from your pharmacy.
robert f kennedy-jr
Well, most Americans are going to be able to get it from their pharmacy for free.
unidentified
Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy.
The question is everyone who wants it, that was your promise.
I have no idea.
I never promised that I was going to recommend products with which there is no indication.
And I know you've taken $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies, Senator.
Did you hold up a big sign saying that you were lying when you said that?
Because you are the one who said you would not take them away.
The Middle East, though, is not the main event.
This is the main event.
steve bannon
It's a sideshow.
In Israel, the Greater Expansion Project is a sideshow to a sideshow.
The defense of Israel is different.
unidentified
And right now, I would argue, as being one of the biggest defenders of Israel and the Jewish people, to argue very simply, the threat, the existential threat to Israel and the Jewish people is not in Tehran.
It's not in Tehran.
It's going to take them decades to turn that thing around.
And if we cut off the oil, it'll happen quicker.
The threat is right in New York City.
Sadiq, what has happened to London in the last 10 years?
steve bannon
Are people asleep?
unidentified
What has happened to Paris?
What has happened to Brussels?
steve bannon
What has happened to every country except for Hungary and Poland, the ones that said, no, we're not going to do this.
unidentified
We're going to keep our culture.
steve bannon
Look at Germany.
unidentified
It's all the same source.
Well, I'm afraid this is one thing I agree with Secretary Kennedy on.
This is just the start.
He and the administration are really destroying the public health infrastructure of the U.S. We've already seen more than 2,000 staff fired from the CDC.
dr tom frieden
We've seen half of the centers in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention dissolved.
unidentified
And they say one thing, but they do something else.
They say they won't take away anyone's vaccines.
dr tom frieden
Right now, today, it is much harder for healthy adults, pregnant women, parents who want their kids vaccinated to get a COVID vaccine in many states around the U.S. Harder for pharmacies to carry it, harder for insurers to cover it, harder for doctors to give it, harder for parents and families to get it.
unidentified
They say they're going to address chronic disease.
dr tom frieden
What's the first thing they did?
unidentified
Eliminate the tobacco control program at CDC and undermine it at the FDA.
That's the leading cause of chronic illness in the U.S.
So watch what they do, not what they say.
Gats, in writing the book, you say you were thinking a little bit about the world in the 1930s and fascism, not just in Germany, but across the world.
What parallels do you draw?
willie geist
And it's a dangerous place to go for some people because we know what happened after the 1930s in Germany and in the Soviet Union.
unidentified
But what parallels do you see?
Okay, here's the biggest one.
If you go back to the 30s in Germany and talk to people as people did in the 50s and 60s who were actually there, they used one word above all others, and it was habituation.
They said, we gradually habituated to the obliteration of freedom.
It happened step by step.
It happened so slowly that it was like farmers in a field when eventually the corn is over your head.
cass sunstein
So that parallel, the step-by-stepness of the worst things we're seeing, that is the parallel, and that's what people have to be alert to.
unidentified
Folks, we are in the kinetic part of the Third World War.
We have to get focused.
We can't let the Mitch McConnells and all these people that brought us here with policies that have led us to disaster, that have allowed China to actually do a flex on the, think about that.
Everything the United States of America did on a war they never wanted to get involved in.
Everything we did, all the blood, all the sacrifice, all the resources, all the toughness, the firebombing of Japan, the bombing of Germany, the submarine warfare, the landings in North Africa, Normandy, all of it.
The guys that fought in China, of which President Trump said, hey, wouldn't you just give us a little, you know, a little thank you for that?
steve bannon
Of all the sacrifice, they choose the 80th anniversary to get in your grill and convince the world that was our victory.
unidentified
And the Americans are nothing.
So we're in it.
And we don't have a choice.
We have to shut them down now.
steve bannon
They're an existential threat to the Lao Beijing, the folks in China.
unidentified
They're a threat to East Asia.
They're a threat to all our allies.
And they're a threat to the people of the United States, what they've done in this country to co-op Wall Street, to co-op the tech oligarchs.
And that's what America First is: putting our citizens, our sovereignty, our country first.
If we do that, we're going to win.
steve bannon
There's no doubt we're going to win.
unidentified
But if we flinch on that at any time, we could lose this.
Because an individual like Donald Trump comes along maybe once in a country's history.
We've had three: Washington, Lincoln, and Trump.
With all his imperfection, in fact, his imperfections, his rising above his imperfections is his true greatness.
Thank you.
Make America great again.
steve bannon
Thank you.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
steve bannon
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.
unidentified
Here's not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
steve bannon
It's going to happen.
unidentified
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Okay, Friday, 5 September, Year of Our Lord 2025.
Needless to say, a lot going on, and we're going to get to all of it.
Bobby Kennedy stood in the breach yesterday.
If I can make a recommendation, because President Trump answered a question last night at the tech meeting, I'm going to get to that in a second.
And by the way, we just had a jobs report that I think reinforces what I've been saying on artificial intelligence.
Not the best jobs report.
steve bannon
But it's going to lead to a rate cut.
unidentified
So the casino, the stock market, they're running around.
They couldn't be better.
Market's up a little bit.
Gold's over 3,600.
The polls announced today their central bank.
They're going to go from 20%, I think, of their assets in gold to 30%.
I would watch what the central banks are doing and make sure you get end of the dollar empire now more than ever.
And I'm going to have Philip Patrick on tomorrow as part of the, as I'm going to go through the economy tomorrow, kind of brick by brick.
I think everybody needs to get up to speed on it.
steve bannon
I gave a talk to the House Freedom Caucus yesterday at their conference about the big beautiful bill and the good news about it, some of the not so good news about it.
unidentified
The budget that we're hurtling towards a shutdown on the 30th, unless we acquiesce to a CR or a omnibus is what the Senate wants.
And they're going to have all kinds of goodies for those tech bros last night.
You know, Bobby Kenny stood in the breach.
However, when President Trump answered the question about Bobby Kenny, say, hey, he's a great guy, good man stood in the breach.
I think we want to get to a place where President Trump can say, hey, I've seen the data.
I've seen the analysis.
I've seen it.
I've weighed and measured it.
steve bannon
President Trump's a business guy.
unidentified
He's very good with numbers.
I think that presentation's got to be made.
Bobby Kennedy stood in the breach yesterday, and you heard they were like Herodins.
steve bannon
I mean, they were hectoring the whole time, and they're on the payroll of big pharma.
But the data and the math is on our side.
unidentified
We ought to be leading with that.
We ought to be overwhelming them.
So call them out and call them out what they've done for 20 years.
And Bobby Kennedy did a great job of that.
But this is a communications problem.
Not a policy problem.
We're in an information war, folks.
steve bannon
You know that.
unidentified
You're the hoplites in the information war.
steve bannon
You're the force multipliers.
You're the ones that actually make it happen.
unidentified
We're also in information war in the economy.
We have to be on President Trump's on offense on policy.
What kind of offense he is?
This afternoon he's going to sign an executive order, I think at 2 o'clock, to rename the Department of Defense Department of War Yo, Yo, because he says, hey, I want to go back to the name we had when we won them.
He's focused on victory.
steve bannon
We need to be focused on winning in victory, not just policy, but the information that goes around it that drives it to the next level.
unidentified
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Okay.
Our quote-unquote allies have had their meeting, had their teleconference yesterday.
I still don't think we know any commitments, any hard commitments.
steve bannon
Britain right now is in the middle of a crisis because they've come up.
unidentified
Oh, we're 50 billion short.
I think it's 50 billion pounds short on their budget.
They got a gap.
And in England, it's not that easy to fill it, but they're not the prime reserve currency anymore.
steve bannon
It's not as easy to make up those kind of misses.
unidentified
So they've got a massive struggle over there.
Besides the fact, in the speech yesterday, the Daily Telegraph headline for the afternoon edition of at least the news site, the website was Mike talking about a coming civil war in Great Britain.
steve bannon
You see that coming from what's happening every night with these St. George Cross flags going up and Union Jacks going up.
unidentified
Something very dark is happening as London has fallen, right?
I'll talk about this more over the weekend and next week as we do the run-up to 9-11 and talk about 9-11 and what's happening in 9-11, particularly in the capitals of Europe.
steve bannon
That's what I said yesterday on this situation about our geopolitics and geostrategic focus.
unidentified
The Chinese Communist Party is clearly coming for us.
It's very obvious it was a flex.
President Trump's gone out of his way to try to work a deal out that works for both parties and takes the world to the next level.
They're not interested.
It's quite evident they're not interested.
What they did in Beijing the other day is a flex.
Because they had Kim.
It's not just Putin, right?
But they had Kim.
They also had Kim on the Financial Times that did the work for me.
They had Kim on the podium.
They had Minnie Me on the podium.
They hang him up there because they understand he's out of control with the nuclear weapons.
And I've always told people when they're doing the Korean thing and the Obama guys are telling us the biggest thing.
I said, yo, it's a vassal state of the Chinese Communist Party.
steve bannon
He's going to do exactly what the CCP tells him to do.
unidentified
And he's got that finger on the nuclear trigger because they don't want to do it.
They got him to do it.
I think we have a major messaging problem.
steve bannon
It's got to stop.
unidentified
We've got to get organized.
There's got to be a cohesive economic message.
It just has to be.
steve bannon
There's many great things going on in the Big Beautiful Bill.
unidentified
This is what I told the Freedom Caucus yesterday.
And the White House, you know, you've got different elements of the White House.
You've got commerce.
You got Treasury.
steve bannon
There's good news.
unidentified
We've got to bundle it in a package and boom.
You know, first step is to concentration of force and power to give what we call muzzle velocity.
steve bannon
That's what Robert Bartley, the great editor of the Wall Street Journal, had two great things for people thinking about information warfare.
unidentified
Number one, it ain't a scoop until you treat it as a scoop.
Number two, is muzzle velocity on any story.
You have to be able to drive through the white noise and particularly the resistance of the resistance of the mainstream media is just the propaganda arm for the globalists, for the existing order, the established order.
And also, I think we have to have this conversation.
steve bannon
We have to have it now because last night was, quite frankly, an outrage.
unidentified
The day that Bobby Kennedy testifies is getting grilled and crucified in a star chamber, as we told you, on Inquisition, and look at the inappropriate.
They call him a liar.
They call him a grifter.
They call him a con artist.
They call him a shell.
They said he should be fired.
He should be terminated.
And this is the Republicans.
Just kidding.
steve bannon
But the Republicans were not great.
unidentified
Cassidy was terrible.
And later we'll talk about Cassidy.
steve bannon
There's no chance he's going to beat John Bell Edwards in a race down there in Louisiana.
unidentified
MAGA can't stand this guy.
steve bannon
The Maha movement hates him.
unidentified
They should hate him.
His little trick questions yesterday to Bobby Kennedy were unacceptable.
steve bannon
But how do you have on the day that Kennedy's going to testify, how do you have these tech boroughs, the tech oligarchs in there with the president who are the worst, first of all, they all hate the president.
unidentified
If somehow Newsom wins in 28, I know it's remote, but I'm just saying theoretically, if he wins in 28, they're all going to be on his side.
They're all progressives to a person.
There's not one MAGA person in that crowd.
In fact, they hate MAGA.
They hate the American people.
They consider you deal baggage.
They don't look out for the American people.
They don't look out for the country.
They don't even believe in the country.
They don't even believe in the nation state.
It's the worst group of humans on earth.
Half of them are on the spectrum.
And you have Mark Zuckerberg.
And by the way, the people responsible for this guy, Michael Kratziosis.
I don't even know why he's around the White House.
This technology guy.
He's an open door to these guys.
On the day that Bobby Kennedy, you have the worst people in the pandemic in the information warfare and the lies and information warfare and suppression.
steve bannon
You have that crowd there on the day that Bobby Kennedy testifies.
unidentified
Have you lost your mind?
See, they have no fundamental basic understanding of our movement.
steve bannon
They just don't.
unidentified
They just come in after November 4th.
steve bannon
Yes, they threw a little money at Trump in 2024.
unidentified
No doubt.
steve bannon
They put some money up.
unidentified
But they're grifting.
And David Sachs, I don't even know his role in his conflicts of interest.
We're going to have Senator Banks on here in a while talking about it.
These lobbyists, the law firms pushing this, it's got to stop.
It's got to stop.
Here's what's got to stop.
You want to have a catastrophe in 2026?
Keep going down the road of the tech bros.
You want to have a catastrophe in 20, and they're going to bail on you in a second.
It's not like, okay, we'll do it because they're in the trenches.
They're fixed bayonets.
No, the exact opposite.
They're all progressive Democrats.
Not one of them.
Maybe a couple of them are libertarians, right?
And that's just a phony way to say, oh, I'm a libertarian, which is a really progressive Democrat.
Somebody's got to wake up there.
steve bannon
Kratziosis is, if he's putting these things together, that is an insult to the Maha movement.
unidentified
To see that crowd, after Bobby Kennedy gets eviscerated and he stands in the breach hammering, you have the crowd that made the pandemic worse.
Yes, Fauci and Collins and all of it.
Yeah, and CDC, I got it.
steve bannon
But the platform they used to basically shut us down.
unidentified
We were deplatforming all those guys after Zuckerberg helped steal the 2020 election.
We were shut down by all of them because of the pandemic.
And you have those guys there, they're not with us.
They're not with the president.
steve bannon
They will put the knife in him in a second.
unidentified
And they don't get it.
steve bannon
They fundamentally do not get our movement and they hate the American people.
Sachs, the conflict center with this guy, it's got to stop.
unidentified
And he's sitting there right next to Zuckerberg, you know, bouncing around.
And credit, the guy at the technology office is setting these things up on the day that Bobby Kennedy gets, they try to do a star chamber and an inquisition on a man that stood in the breach and call him out.
They said, hey, how much money are you taking?
What have you done the last 25 years to stop it?
Because big Tet's in business with Big Pharma.
100% with them.
And on that night, you have a celebratory dinner with the president.
And by the way, not briefing the president, somebody's got to inform the president that, because they're holding it back for that information back from him.
As Mike Davis says, yo, the Google lawsuit was dropped in President Trump's first term.
Just like the FTC suit against Zuckerberg.
I don't even know how you have Zuckerberg next to the president when Zuckerberg's trying to get in the Oval Office to try to work out some deal so we don't break up Facebook.
What should we want to break up Facebook?
We want to break up Google.
Google, the headline, Wall Street Journal yesterday, Google ruling shows limits to U.S. antitrust enforcement.
steve bannon
There ain't going to be any limits.
unidentified
You got to break these people up.
They are evil.
They do not support this movement.
They're out for themselves.
They don't even believe in the nation state.
steve bannon
They got this weird, all these weird theories, you know, dark enlightenment and weird theories, network effect and networks, and they're going to do this.
unidentified
You heard, and the great Rachel Bovart said at the start of the National Conservative Conference.
steve bannon
The biggest thing is transhumanism.
When she and Putin are with each other for the whole time they have, they got the hot mic, which as Jean told us ain't a hot mic because the Chinese Commerce Party, first off, it was a hot mic, you'd have seen 50 heads they would have cut off and had up in Tanaman Square of their tech department and the sound engineers.
unidentified
It was a leak.
And what are they talking about?
steve bannon
Immortality.
unidentified
And that we got the solution.
And right now, hey, Putin, I think we can get us to 125 or 150 years just on live organ harvesting.
That crowd is the tech crowd.
You don't think they're working on the same thing out in Silicon Valley?
In the AI amnesty?
I don't trust that crowd around the table, around the president.
The president, they're a nest of vipers.
steve bannon
They do not support you.
unidentified
Nobody more viciously went after you than the big tech bros in your first term.
They had no earthly idea you were coming back.
They hedged their bets.
They're smart business guys.
steve bannon
They hedge their bet in case you won.
unidentified
And then once you won, hey, they're all man, they're down for it.
They're MAGA.
This is dangerous.
steve bannon
Number one, it's just stupid politically because it's going to get us crushed.
Those guys bring nothing to the table as far as votes.
80% of the country hate them.
unidentified
This is one of those 80-20.
Zuckerberg, that guy should be in prison.
He should be in a cell.
Bill Gates, on a day that Bobby Kennedy gets, that Elizabeth Warren Focahanas is ripping his face off in front of the world.
You're going to have Bill Gates, Mr. Vaccine?
What in the hell are we doing?
Whoever set that dinner up should be perp walked out of the White House today.
Somebody's got to get control of this deal.
steve bannon
Okay?
unidentified
On the economic messaging, on all the messaging, President Trump's policies are hammering home maximalist urgency, seize the institutions, bang, bang, bang, but he can't do everything.
Short break, back in a moment.
I just want to thank everybody for being here.
I want to thank the media.
donald j trump
They've been very nice lately, although I'm still here.
unidentified
They made a couple of bad predictions.
donald j trump
That was not good.
unidentified
I've never had that feeling before.
I went to an event and people are coming up to me and saying, you're still here.
I said, what do they mean by that?
I didn't hear about this.
But anyway, but I do.
The press has been great in terms of this industry and they understand the importance of it.
This is taking our country to a new level.
donald j trump
We're leading the world.
unidentified
We're leading China, but we're leading the world by a lot.
And we're leading it because of the people around the table.
And all I can do is implement and make it a lot easier for you.
No, I'll be doing that 100%.
So I just want to thank you all.
donald j trump
Mark, would you like to say a few words about the company?
unidentified
Well, thanks for hosting us.
And this is quite a group to get together.
Thank you, Mr. President.
It's a great honor to work here at the White House and to work for you.
tim cook
Very grateful for your administration, Spark.
unidentified
We look forward to working together, and thanks for your leadership.
We're so grateful for that support.
Thank you so much, Obisi, for bringing us all together and the policies that you have put in place.
steve bannon
Thank you very much.
unidentified
And also, I wanted to thank Madam First Lady for hosting.
I want to thank you for including me this evening.
tim cook
It's incredible to be among everyone here, particularly you and the First Lady.
I also want to thank you for helping American companies around the world.
unidentified
First of all, echo the comments of Tim and others.
Thank you so much for getting us all together and thank you for being such a pro-business, pro-innovation president.
bill gates
Thank you.
unidentified
Thank you for everything you're doing.
bill gates
Thank you for incredible leadership, including getting this group together.
donald j trump
Thank you, Bill.
unidentified
That was very nice.
Administration Spark.
donald j trump
Well, you had a very good day yesterday, Google.
unidentified
Had a very good day yesterday.
And do you want to talk about that big day you had yesterday?
I've got it.
steve bannon
Thank you, Denver.
Thank you.
unidentified
I want to bring in Mary Holland.
We got a longer clip of Gates.
My God, Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, on the day that Bobby Kennedy goes in there, the guys at the White House, Katsiotis and Sachs, whatever Sachs is doing, you're telling me that we gave previews last week on Bobby Kennedy.
steve bannon
We said it's going to be a star chamber.
unidentified
It's going to be an inquisition.
That Bobby Kennedy is going to show his guts and courage by standing in the breach and taking it on, of which he did magnificently, magnificently.
And on that night, you're going to have at the White House a dinner that you're going to invite Mark Zuckerberg.
And Sachs, you're going to sit next to him like some clown.
steve bannon
He should be in jail.
unidentified
And we got a huge, we're in a federal court right now trying to break the company up.
How is that appropriate?
He tried to talk, ask Mike Davis.
steve bannon
He went to the Zuckerberg, went to the White House and tried to talk the president out of it.
unidentified
President, no, the FTC went ahead with the suit.
And Bill Gates, Bill Gates should be in prison.
steve bannon
He's a demon of a demon on the on the diet.
unidentified
He's the worst in the world for the vaccines to put money in his own pocket.
And all of them to have the government underwrite it.
Remember, when you see those tech guys, all this and the government contracts, it's all socializing the downside.
You're paying for it, and they get unlimited upside.
steve bannon
This is why the conservatives and you guys, oh, you know, Intel, hey, I take stakes in all of them.
Some of them might take 89% stakes and distribute the shares to the American people.
unidentified
Not have the government keep it, distribute the shares to the American people.
Let the American people have a piece of the action.
steve bannon
They're paying for it.
unidentified
Why don't you get a little something for the effort?
The whole thing has to be changed.
steve bannon
It's perverse.
unidentified
The incentives are perverse and it's destroying the company, destroying the country.
And on AI, they want AI amnesty.
steve bannon
And hey, as sure as the turning of the earth, the AI amnesty is going to be in the NDAA or the omnibus.
It's going to be slipped in like what's slipped in last time.
unidentified
Remember, they slip in that little page and 9,000 pages, going to slip it in.
Gonna slip it in.
On the day that Bobby Kennedy is a profile and courage, you understand how hard it is to sit there for three or four hours and have those guys just take shots at you and he fires back.
Hey, you've been here 25 years.
What do you prove it?
steve bannon
Hey, I'm asking the questions.
unidentified
You shut up.
That was a star chamber.
steve bannon
That's like the Inquisition.
unidentified
We're back to the Middle Ages.
And on that day, you have Mark Zuckerberg sitting next to the President of the United States.
Whoever arranged that, I don't want to hear it.
You should be gone.
Sachs, gone.
Kraziotis, gone.
You're either going to get serious about this or you're not.
Oh, we will schedule weeks in advance, then cancel it.
It's not you down there, which should be.
Zuckerberg should be in the hot seat getting grilled.
steve bannon
Gates, Gates is a demon.
unidentified
He's demonic.
Zuckerberg is demonic.
These people bring no votes.
The American people hate them.
They're all in for themselves.
And the day that we stumble, the day that we stumble, they're going to be on the other side.
They're going to be suppressing.
This is why the Palantir stuff is so dangerous.
It's all going to be used against you.
Don't think this.
steve bannon
Look, every day we are creating what the reality is.
unidentified
There is nothing foreordained here.
And this is why I said yesterday in the speech, you get a guy like Trump once a century.
Most countries never get a guy like Trump.
Never get a guy like Lincoln.
Never get a guy like General Washington.
steve bannon
Never.
unidentified
And if you go back and see their trials and tribulations, it wasn't sunlit uplands.
Where the hell they tried to cashier?
They tried to get rid of Washington a hundred times during the Revolution.
A hundred times.
steve bannon
Mutinies, all of it, backstabbing.
unidentified
Congress, terrible.
Lincoln the same way.
Their lives were not rosy at all.
steve bannon
People were out for them the entire time, like they're out for Trump.
unidentified
And the worst demons, it's like Caesar in the Senate.
You got Brutus, you got them all right there.
steve bannon
Cassius, you got them all right there, sharpening the knives under the table.
unidentified
As soon as you move, Mr. President, they're going to stab you.
Gonna stab you.
Zuckerberg was one of the leading elements of stealing the 2020 election.
We need to adjudicate that and put him in prison.
Bill Gates is an out-of-control demon.
And what he's done on vaccines on the day that we're having the biggest central fight of the Maha movement, which are our compadres, we only, let me underline this and make sure people understand this.
steve bannon
We only win as a coalition, MAGA and Maha.
unidentified
That's what gave us the victory in 24, and this is what can give us continual victories going forward.
You notice somebody didn't include their tech bros because they're always going to cover their bet.
They're always going to cover their, you know, they're not capitalists.
They're corporatists because they want to have their downside totally covered with unlimited upside.
That's not capitalism.
That's corporatism.
Mary Holland, do I overstate the case about what that group did, Google and all of them, Zuckerberg, what they did during the pandemic, and particularly about vaccines and vaccine mandates?
steve bannon
They're the ones that drove it.
unidentified
They're the ones the FBI went to.
It was Fauci and these guys are just, they're just doctors and guys.
steve bannon
There was their policies, but the delivery system was what?
Was in that room last night.
unidentified
And anybody associated with setting it up, like Kraziotis and Sachs, got to be gone.
No, you didn't overstate it at all, Steve.
And I'm glad you made it, the connection, because in fact, Bobby Kennedy and his book, The Real Anthony Fauci, the subtitle has Bill Gates in it and Zuckerberg in it.
Those guys during COVID collaborated completely with the administration to censor people.
The administration violated the First Amendment.
mary holland
Those guys violated all kinds of laws to suppress Bobby Kennedy.
You know, they cut off his own Instagram, but also Children's Health Defense.
We were taken off of all of those platforms.
We are still downgraded on Google.
unidentified
We sued Zuckerberg and Facebook, now meta platforms, and got a really ridiculous decision, frankly, from the federal district court and the Ninth Circuit.
And then the Supreme Court didn't take it.
mary holland
So they were bad guys during COVID, like you said.
They have basically a huge liability shield, Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, much like pharma does.
unidentified
And they'll play both sides as they are, right?
So all of that, I love the music that you had there in the open of, you know, this is like, you know, they're all, you know, fawning over the king kind of thing.
And they'll fawn over whoever they think has power.
And it's a mutual relationship because in truth, Google and Facebook or whatever, you know, Instagram, meta platforms, they have tremendous power, right?
mary holland
They can shape public opinion.
unidentified
They can change elections.
They've shown us not only in the United States, but in other countries where they can do this.
So we have taken a very firm stance at Children's Health Defense against their efforts on censorship, and they have not been appropriately held accountable at all.
But you know what?
We don't know all the conversations that took place there.
mary holland
Steve, it's possible that there were conversations that really did let them know that what they do in the area of censorship or in monopoly is not acceptable.
I don't know.
unidentified
I think highly unlikely.
I just think highly unlikely.
steve bannon
I'd like to see the readout of that.
unidentified
They are making investments.
I mean, President Trump held them one around the table and said he wanted to know how much money their capital they were putting in the United States.
That's a great start.
Yeah.
But you also have to look at, because I think today, I haven't had a chance to break it down because it came out right before the show, but I think you're starting to see the AI impact on jobs.
Yeah.
It's a huge investment.
And every guy in that room is fighting for the H-1B visas.
They're all fighting.
They're anti-American citizens.
steve bannon
Okay.
unidentified
The MAGA movement is America first and wait for it, American citizens first.
American citizens first.
Every guy in that room doesn't want to hire American citizens to be their employees.
Why?
Because they feel they have to pay them too much and they feel that they have to give them better medical care and they feel like, you know, Americans got points of view and, you know, every now and again are going to be a little henry because we're Americans, right?
steve bannon
That what they want is to import the third world, right?
unidentified
And put and have folks live 10 to a condo in Silicon Valley because they're here on kind of probation and working at one-third the wages and then lie about it and stop the H-1B visa and stop all of it.
And it's around that tables doing it.
steve bannon
They hate the American people and people see it.
unidentified
The Maha movement, we got to bring the Maha movement together and said, we got your back.
Everything we want to do is focus on it.
steve bannon
Mary Holland.
mary holland
Well, we definitely need to show support for Secretary Kennedy.
So it was a, you know, a failed effort by the Democrats on that Senate finance committee to get Kennedy to resign.
They had all signed a letter yesterday morning to ask him to resign.
unidentified
And I'm delighted that Trump is really standing behind him.
But, you know, it was pathetic.
I was in the room yesterday.
You know, it just showcased the dysfunction in government.
mary holland
Those people were really showboating.
unidentified
As Kennedy did call them out, he really was magnificent and courageous to be there.
It cannot be pleasant to have people basically hurling insults at you continuously for almost three hours.
As Senator Ron Johnson, definitely a hero to the Maha movement, said it was abuse.
mary holland
Kennedy was literally sitting through this abuse.
unidentified
And what was also horrible, Steve, is to realize that so many of these people are really in the dark.
They seem to have no concept of the harms that the COVID shots have done.
They seem clueless.
mary holland
They were worried about pharmacies giving access to people for their six-month-olds.
And what we know is that those shots shouldn't be in any child's arm.
unidentified
Most countries in the world have stopped them being available to children at all.
But Kennedy is making them available, but just not recommending them anymore.
But he was skewered, but I think he held his own.
And that was great to see.
steve bannon
But yeah, hang on.
unidentified
I'm going to hold you through the break.
I want to just say a couple of things about that.
I haven't seen this about domestic.
It comes out of HHS2 at a Bobby's shop.
I haven't seen any overwhelming.
Your message right there is a messenger I have out.
Maybe I missed it.
I haven't seen any overwhelming in that Bobby Kennedy ain't going anywhere.
He's our guy.
And also go on offense on the data and the science.
The numbers are on our side.
Short break.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
Okay.
We have not flooded the zone with support of Bobby Kennedy.
steve bannon
That needs to happen.
unidentified
Number one.
steve bannon
Number two, I want Mary Holland, walk me through what Bobby Kennedy has done in the president, the president having to take it on his own shoulders because he doesn't have enough to do, right?
Just changing the world.
He didn't have enough to do, calling out Pfizer.
unidentified
Walk through what set up the call out of Pfizer, what Bobby Kennedy set up to basically get to the heart of this.
Well, one of the things that Bobby Kennedy called out yesterday, Steve, is the data chaos.
They kept trying to box him in of like, was the shot a miracle?
You know, did it save millions of lives?
And he said, I don't know if it saved millions of lives.
mary holland
The CDC was so corrupted and so thoroughly incompetent during COVID, giving irrational advice on the masks, on the lockdowns, on the distancing.
I don't know how many people died from the shot.
unidentified
I don't know how many people died from COVID.
mary holland
They had people dying with COVID, people dying from COVID.
unidentified
It was intentionally mixed up.
So he kept saying, look, you're looking for a religious answer that I believe.
And he said, I can't give you that.
mary holland
I don't have the adequate science.
I'm working on it like crazy.
unidentified
And I think that's frustrating to people.
But they also tried to skewer him.
But you cut back on the money for mRNA.
You cut back on the recommendations for kids and for other groups for the mRNA.
And he said, look, there's no science to support it.
mary holland
Back in 2021, you could argue 2020, it was different.
It's now 2025.
It's a different virus.
unidentified
It's mutated.
It's not as virulent.
mary holland
Like, I don't have science to back up continuing these boosters.
unidentified
And, you know, I don't think there's been an adequate reckoning yet of how harmful these injections were.
I think that's starting to come.
They've set up a working group within the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices chaired by Retz F. Levy that is going to look specifically at the COVID-19 shots.
I think that's absolutely critical.
It has a lot of implications for this mRNA platform overall.
Hang on for a second.
I want to play, let's play, I want to play Foca Hannis again with Bobby Kennedy.
I want to do it where I got you here.
steve bannon
Let's play it.
unidentified
Last November, while you were under consideration to become Secretary of Health and Human Services, Mr. Kennedy, you said, quote, if vaccines are working for somebody, I'm not going to take them away.
No exceptions, no ifs, ands, or buts.
You would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them.
Then last week, you announced the COVID-19 vaccine is no longer approved for healthy people under the age of 65.
In announcing the change, you said the vaccine will be available for anyone who wants it.
elizabeth warren
Now, obviously, both things cannot be true at the same moment.
unidentified
So, let's clear this up right now, Secretary Kennedy.
Will you tell America that all adults and all children over six months of age are eligible to get a COVID booster at their local pharmacy today?
Anybody can get the booster.
I'm sorry?
Anybody can get it.
Anyone.
So, you're saying that is now the official rule of HHS.
elizabeth warren
Anybody is eligible to get a booster by just walking into the pharmacy.
robert f kennedy-jr
It's not recommended for healthy people.
unidentified
No, no.
If you don't recommend, then the consequence of that in many states is that you can't walk into a pharmacy and get one.
It means insurance companies don't have to cover the $200 or so cost.
As Senator Dr. Cassidy said, you are effectively denying people vaccines.
We're not going to recommend a product for which there's no clinical data for that indication.
Is that what I should be doing?
elizabeth warren
What you should be doing is honoring your promise that you made when you were looking to get confirmed in this job.
unidentified
You're going on the future.
And that is, you promised that you would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them.
You just changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.
robert f kennedy-jr
I'm not taking them away from people, Senator.
elizabeth warren
It takes it away if you can't get it from your pharmacy.
unidentified
Well, most Americans are going to be able to get it from their pharmacy for free.
Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy.
The question is, everyone who wants it, that was your promise.
robert f kennedy-jr
I never promised that I was going to recommend products with which there is no indication.
unidentified
And I know you've taken $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies, Senator.
Did you hold up a big sign saying that you were lying when you said that?
Because you are the one who said you would not take them away.
Folks, this is fixed bayonets.
This is the heart of it right here.
They're all employed by big pharma.
steve bannon
She didn't even answer that.
unidentified
And she's taken more than $880,000, taking millions.
So is Bernie Sanders.
They won't answer the question.
This is why we got to have Bobby Kay's back because he cuts the heart of it.
steve bannon
He's not going to recommend something that he believes is, and the data, there's no data that shows that it works or it's good for people.
unidentified
Mary Holland.
mary holland
And he's not lying.
unidentified
He's saying he didn't say it's going to be available for free forever for everybody.
He just said it's available.
If you want to go pay for it, if you want to go to your doctor, who says it has to be free at your pharmacy in order for it to be available?
It's sort of like, you know, apples and oranges.
Yes, you can get a booster if you want.
But as he said at the very outset, and he put in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, under 10% of people are giving this to kids.
Two-thirds of healthcare providers didn't take the booster.
The American people have moved on, but we haven't had the reckoning that we have to have to figure out what went down during COVID medically and in terms of civil rights.
And I think that now this Retz Av Levy thing, this Trump tweet, I think we're on the path and that encourages me.
Ron Johnson clearly signaled that he's going to be doing a lot more on this in his hearing.
mary holland
So there's some light here.
unidentified
This is the point.
The reckoning is not just Fauci should be imprisoned.
Collins, all of them.
But it's also the guys around the table last night.
It's Google.
It's Gates.
It's Zuckerberg.
It's all of them.
That's what the reckoning's got to be.
The reckoning's got to be the information warfare part, the platform to use that the FBI and all these guys went to.
Remember, everybody in this audience, you're all a bunch of nutcases.
Now, the American people have turned and they've turned with no media support.
You've got shows like this and a handful of these other shows that focus on this.
It's monumental.
Why you cannot?
It's amazing because you can't get around the common sense of the American people.
They know they were sold something.
And then all the mandates.
This is why Dr. Latipo and Governor DeSantis, good on you.
Bless them.
It's time to rip.
It's time to rip the band-aid off.
Mary, hang around for a second.
I am not finished.
I know you're pressed for time, but I want to finish this because we need to flood the zone with Bobby Kennedy.
This is a topic where we're winning.
The American people are on our side and they're not on the tech bro side.
steve bannon
We're winning.
unidentified
And the coalition of Make America Healthy Again and Make America Great Again, that fusion is unbeatable.
It's the politics of today.
It's the politics of the future.
And if you do not get that, get the hell out of the room.
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