Aug. 30, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | |
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| 29th of August, Anno Domini, 2025. | ||
| Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room for this Friday night special. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
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Joined with our regular guests that we always have on Friday, so that might cause some light consternation for our regular viewers. | |
| We have Jenny Holland, Liz Yor, and Frank Walker. | ||
| Good evening, folks. | ||
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Lot to get through today. | |
| I just preview the second half of the show. | ||
| We'll be talking to Joachim Powell, a German politician who's been banned from election because he likes Wagner and Lord of the Rings. | ||
| Stand by for that. | ||
| If you thought Germany was bad right now, you'll be horrified at the full details. | ||
| Stand by for that. | ||
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We'll be doing that in about half an hour's time. | |
| Very, very honored and delighted, however, to be welcoming on to this show. | ||
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We'll play the clip just in a few moments, Natalie Sonnen and Brian Williams, who've made this astonishing film called Bread Not Stones. | |
| Now, Liz, you're, I have to tip my hat to you on this one. | ||
| You're the agent that has made this show happen today. | ||
| I'll be coming to all of you, folks, our regular panel, to break this down, the film, what it might mean for the Catholic world, and perhaps even beyond the Catholic world, the evangelical world of goodwill. | ||
| First, let's have a 30-second extract of the film, and then I'll present our special honored guests for this evening. | ||
| There's something very masculine about the Latin Mass, and young men are attracted to it. | ||
| And I think because it provides, in some ways, a more contemplative experience, it provides a space for some discernment. | ||
| And young men get captivated, especially when they're serving it. | ||
| You know, we have this whole troop of altar boys here. | ||
| So many of the young men from our parish are in the seminary. | ||
| And right now we have nine men from this parish studying for the priesthood. | ||
| They found their vocation at Mass. | ||
| And a lot of them at the Latin Mass. | ||
| In fact, we have two men from our parish who are studying for the Fraternal Society of St. Peter. | ||
| They found their vocation in the Latin Mass. | ||
| That was a short extract of this film, Bread, Not Stones. | ||
| Let me bring on to the show now our special guests for this evening, Natalie Sonnen, the executive director of the film Bread Not Stones, and Brian Williams, founder of the Charlotte Latin Mass Community, and also a consultant for the film. | ||
| Welcome on to the show, folks. | ||
| Let me start off by saying, when I watched the film earlier, and I cannot compliment it enough in terms of the content and its professionality, not only was it very beautifully made, very powerfully made, I was stuck with a problem. | ||
| I had to get two extracts of that film in order to play for our audience. | ||
| It was almost an impossible task because every single scene in that film was extract worthy. | ||
| I think that just shows how good a film it was. | ||
| Natalie, let me start with you because you're the executive producer of this film. | ||
| Why don't you say a little bit about what's been going on in the diocese of Charlotte that pushed you, motivated you into putting this film together? | ||
| Yes, well, first of all, for having us on the show, and I commend you on the clip that you chose. | ||
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I actually, that's one of my favorite moments in the film because it does talk about the very real effect that the film is having, most particularly on young men. | |
| You know, we have a crisis in our culture with men, and this really speaks to them. | ||
| But what's been happening in our diocese is that we have a bishop who's new, he's come on the scene, and he's implementing Trudizione Custodas, which is a moda proprio put out. | ||
| It's a Francis-era policy. | ||
| And he is implementing that not with a teaspoon, but with a sledgehammer, unfortunately. | ||
| And it really does seem to be ideologically driven because we really have appealed to him. | ||
| There's been many attempts, and I know Brian will speak to this through the priests and through the Latin Mass Society to reach him and to talk to him and say, please, don't do this. | ||
| You know, these are cohesive communities. | ||
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They've been together for over a decade. | |
| We work together with the Novis Ordo and with the traditional Latin Mass. | ||
| We have burgeoning choirs and altar servers, and we have homeschool co-ops. | ||
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And we're made up of both the Novis Ordo and the traditional Latin Mass families. | |
| We are dedicated Catholics. | ||
| We want to be a part of the church. | ||
| We don't want to be exiled. | ||
| Please work with us. | ||
| And we've really been stonewalled as far as we can see. | ||
| So I saw this kind of coming down the pike, and I was quite concerned. | ||
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And I felt that we really needed to do something for the sake of the faithful, not only in the diocese of Charlotte, but also throughout the world. | |
| This is happening to diocese and to solid, good Catholic people throughout the world. | ||
| And so this film is dedicated to them. | ||
| And ultimately, we hope that the hierarchy will listen to us and see these people. | ||
| These are real people with real names and faces who are being, you know, we're not only having to contend with the flesh, the devil, and the world, we're having to contend with our own hierarchy. | ||
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And that's a lot to bear for these families. | |
| Brian, let me ask you now. | ||
| So you've put together this Charlotte Latin Mass community, and I know you're quite present on social media. | ||
| Tell me, how is the Bishop Martin's maneuver here, how's that been taken on the ground and within your own Latin Mass community amongst the faithful? | ||
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Yeah, it's been very difficult. | |
| We kind of started this group probably 12 to 14 years ago. | ||
| A gentleman named Chris Lauer was really the founding force behind it. | ||
| I was one of the original founding members with him. | ||
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We have over 1,200 families, some of them as big as seven, eight, nine children who are part of this community. | |
| And what we're finding out is that they are going to be significantly impacted, impacted, and displaced by this policy of the bishop, by this idea of separating us from the parishes that we belong to and sending us off kind of to the middle of nowhere. | ||
| And in many cases, far too far away from where people live or currently go to Mass to be able to continue on. | ||
| And so there's a lot of, it veers between, I think, righteous anger, frustration. | ||
| There's a great deal of tears. | ||
| I think you see that in the movie quite profoundly. | ||
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This is a film directed by a gentleman named Sean O'Halloran, who is a member of the community and who knows us. | |
| And you see these mothers who love their children, their sons very much, who serve this Mass, and how it's going to impact these social groups and everything that a parish is supposed to be. | ||
| It is supposed to be your family. | ||
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And there is this forced separation, as one person says in the film, a forced divorce that's being inflicted upon everyone here. | |
| And it's very painful to the community. | ||
| And we hope and pray, and we have been doing both, hoping and praying, that something will happen. | ||
| Although I think it's going to have to come down very much on high for something to happen here. | ||
| Well, the film, you can tell, it has been very prayerfully made. | ||
| That comes through, I think, in every frame of the film. | ||
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Let me bring in Liz Yor just one moment. | |
| Liz, correct me if I'm wrong here, because I thought, and I'm not the first person to elbow myself to the front of the line here and start quoting Second Vatican Council. | ||
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But I sort of remember that the Second Vatican Council did entrust the laity to some degree with a role here, a shared role in the governance of the church. | |
| And I sort of remember Pope Francis of Unhappy Memory going on and on and on and on and on and on about anti-clericalism. | ||
| And yet it seems to me that the bishop here in Charlotte has just dismissed totally the concerns of the faithful. | ||
| And the film shows very beautifully the fruits that the old liturgy is having in the lives of ordinary day-to-day Catholics. | ||
| I'll give you the floor right now to speak to Natalie and Brian and ask them a question. | ||
| But before you do that, just can you give me a response to that? | ||
| Where is, I mean, these guys are the great proponents of the Second Vatican Council. | ||
| Where is the role of the laity and the consultation with the laity in this decision? | ||
| There is no consultation with the laity. | ||
| This is supposedly the synodal church, the synodal church, which is the church of listening and dialoguing with the laity, giving more power in the hands of the laity, except when it comes to the magnificent, beautiful Latin Mass that is thriving, as we all know, around the world. | ||
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And yet the bishops want to suppress this mass. | |
| And what this documentary shows are two things. | ||
| The emotional, spiritual toll that it's taking on the families. | ||
| And secondly, the beauty of the Latin Mass. | ||
| And this persecution, and make no mistake about it, it is persecution by the bishops, by the Vatican, of a thriving, thriving, growing liturgy that is not only attracting families, but young people as well, people who have never been interested in the Catholic Church are coming to this mass. | ||
| What in God's name would any bishop who is supposed to be a shepherd of the church would do to suppress it and banish it into the boonies, which is what they're doing, not only here in Charlotte, but also in Detroit and France and around the world. | ||
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And what is very interesting to me is that I'm thrilled that the world can now see the face of the people and families that are being persecuted not only by the bishops, but also by the Biden FBI. | |
| You know, these were the people that were supposedly the radical traditionalists, right? | ||
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The extremists. | |
| You will see the most loving, dedicated, faithful, not only Catholics, but citizens who love their country and love their families. | ||
| And so it is absolutely essential that as many people see this, we need to rise up as a result of destroying something beautiful for the benefit of, I think, the intersection of the deep state and the deep church coming together to destroy what is magnificent in this church. | ||
| I can only applaud that. | ||
| Do you have a question for either Natalie or Brian? | ||
| I'd like to ask both of them the reaction that is coming as a result of, you know, the film has only been out, I think, 48 hours or so. | ||
| It's been going like wildfire around the world. | ||
| What are you hearing from both the people in your community and around the country? | ||
| Natalie? | ||
| Yes, I'll jump on that one. | ||
| I think we're up to almost 13,000 views as of today. | ||
| We put the film out this week on Monday. | ||
| So it's been a little longer than 48 hours, but nevertheless, it's really taken off. | ||
| We've had great interviews. | ||
| Brian's been doing interviews for us. | ||
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And different, we've got even the UK, I think Brian, you did an interview this morning with Catholic Unscripted. | |
| Raymond Royal covered us. | ||
| So we've had great coverage and the comments coming in, if you look on the comments on the YouTube page where the film can be seen on our Regina magazine YouTube page, the comments are very positive, affirmative. | ||
| In some sense, this is a good news story in the fact that it is bringing together people all over the world in a common effort, a common effort to really try to get through to the hierarchy. | ||
| And hopefully Pope Leo is going to see this. | ||
| Ultimately, I'd like him to see it. | ||
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I'd like our Holy Father to really take a look at this. | |
| Yeah, I see you're showing some of those comments. | ||
| They're wonderful. | ||
| And so it's really bringing together the community worldwide. | ||
| Just give me a quick moment, if I can insert now a word from one of our collaborators, Birch Gold. | ||
| Is the continued divide between Trump and the Federal Reserve putting us behind the curve? | ||
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And that way, if the Fed can't stay ahead of the curve for the country, at least you can stay ahead for yourself. | |
| Frank Walker, what Natalie was just saying there about hopefully Pope Leo will see this film. | ||
| calls you to my mind, not only you, but Canon 212 and all of the great commentary you're putting out there on a day-by-day basis on the breaking headlines. | ||
| And this is something that we have spoken about time and time again on the show. | ||
| The book stops right with Pope Leo. | ||
| And he, you know, not just the Bishop of Charlotte, right? | ||
| It is fundamentally at the top of the apex, Pope Leo himself. | ||
| They are going to have to account for their actions before Jesus Christ as the supreme judge on the last day. | ||
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The very title of this film, Bread, Not Stones, is quoted by that magnificent lady in the film. | |
| It's from a quotation, obviously, from the gospel from our Lord. | ||
| If a son asks his father for bread, the father's not going to give him stones. | ||
| Yet our bishops and the Holy Father himself, they take that title father because they're supposed to represent something somewhat of the fatherhood there. | ||
| Frank, what's your reaction to this? | ||
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And how hopeful are you that Pope Leo is going to intervene? | |
| Well, one of the children in this movie also says, does the bishop hate us? | ||
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This happened to the entire world, you know, 50, 60 years ago. | |
| And I don't think it was really chronicled quite well. | ||
| What this movie here shows is something very historic. | ||
| It shows really the contempt. | ||
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And it's kind of a coup, what's happened in the church from the hierarchy and everybody else. | |
| And it's just good to have it documented. | ||
| It's really not about the Latin Mass. | ||
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To me, it is, but what it's about is the people and their souls. | |
| All of the people that you've chosen here, on Sundays, I go to a Latin Mass community that has been there forever. | ||
| Many people have grown up in it. | ||
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There's so much that they have to learn and to grow. | |
| But these people here, they're telling about how they came into it, how it saved them from divorce, how they were looking for something that was manly. | ||
| They didn't want to go to a grandmother church. | ||
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And all of their children, how much they care about their children. | |
| I don't see, I think that even if you don't get, because right now, Leo is, the Leo church is hurting the mass in India. | ||
| By the way, he makes bishops. | ||
| He may say a lot of things, but what the bishops do is what really matters. | ||
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And the bishops care about the coup. | |
| They care about the power. | ||
| They're not care so much about the people. | ||
| Look at what happened with this shooting. | ||
| Every bishop is, they haven't changed one bit. | ||
| Even though a Catholic mass with children has been shot, it makes no difference to them. | ||
| They continue to push gun control. | ||
| That's what they care about. | ||
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And they even have Catholics in that parish. | |
| They're not Latin Mass Catholics. | ||
| They have the father of a child who's been shot. | ||
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And that father is spouting liberal talking points. | |
| It's the people themselves that this movie shows that's so wonderful. | ||
| The people that are touched and they're learning that just like today is a feast of beheading of St. John the Baptist, they're learning when you actually are in touch with the true faith and with the true mass, there's a lot of hate out there. | ||
| You learn to be militant. | ||
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We have a Nova Sordo Mass today, and the priest at the Nova Sordo Mass gave a great sermon on that. | |
| So many priests are victims of what they've done to the church. | ||
| There's so many of us that are victimized by this hierarchy and the people that they really care about. | ||
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Frank, I'm going to ask you, as I always do, if you wouldn't mind, please do put on Canon 212 the link for the film. | |
| So everyone watching the, and we'll give all the social media in just a few weeks if you want to get your pens and papers out. | ||
| But please do put that on Canon 212. | ||
| I know you have a tremendous, tremendous following there. | ||
| We need to get as much people watching this film as possible. | ||
| Now, in the final five minutes of this segment, Jenny Holland, go-to atheist who prays the Rosary every day and has a great love for, as she corrected me last week, not necessarily for the Catholic Church, but for the Catholic faith itself. | ||
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The floor is yours. | |
| You've seen this film. | ||
| What's your reaction to it? | ||
| Well, first I want to say it was very beautiful and very calming and almost like a spiritual experience in itself. | ||
| um i really must commend you for that it was really it's a beautiful um and it was also really striking and it was almost like a refreshing um moment of solace 52 moments of solace um because it uh the the interviewees they the parishioners in this documentary, words that you hardly ever hear anymore in the modern discourse. | ||
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And I've been following church things quite closely recently, partly because of this with you, Ben, but also because I'm interested in general. | |
| And I've never heard these words yet spoken in sort of mainstream Catholicism. | ||
| Words like reverence, words like sacrifice, words like discernment. | ||
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And I agree with the film's maker there, Ben. | |
| You picked the perfect clip because that moment where he talks about the masculine aspect of the mass and the power of discernment, I think is the key problem that hinges around all of liberal, not just churches, but societies, in which we've lost the balance between masculine and feminine. | ||
| And the idea of the church now, when you go to, like when I went to that thing in Turin where the soon-to-be saint was being, there was a museum exhibition for him. | ||
| And it was all about love and it was all about helping others. | ||
| And that's great. | ||
| That's all well and good. | ||
| But what about the hard parts? | ||
| What about the sacrifice? | ||
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What about the going without? | |
| What about the militancy, as Frank just said? | ||
| Because that is actually, and I say this again, as a very secular person who's lived in a very secular world my entire life, and I'm an uncatechized Catholic, that militancy is needed. | ||
| Look at what just happened, as you mentioned, in Minneapolis this week. | ||
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This was a young man who, it seems from reports, was in some ways a member of the Catholic faith. | |
| And that whole community was attacked by what really can only be described as a demon. | ||
| And I think that speaks to a lack of the militancy, a lack of spiritual leadership in the church hierarchy. | ||
| And I don't mean to sound out of place, but when I watch or listen to or even attend Nova's Ordo Masses, there's almost a sense of banality. | ||
| And I say that with some hesitancy, but that is how I feel. | ||
| And I have been to the Latin Mass, and it's not that at all. | ||
| It is very much a place of spiritual focus. | ||
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And we need so much reverence. | |
| We need to reintroduce reverence back into society, especially with our young people who are run amok, not really through any fault of their own. | ||
| It's really the fault of adults and the elders who failed them. | ||
| But we've absolutely abandoned a sense of reverence, a sense of sacredness, and a sense of sacrifice. | ||
| And I think this film, in a very beautiful way, it's beautifully shot, beautiful music, brings that back into the public discourse. | ||
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Jenny, thanks very much for that. | |
| Brian Williams, last word to you. | ||
| Can you, in about 30 seconds, just synthesize what you're hoping this film will achieve? | ||
| We wanted to show our bishop, we wanted to show the Holy Father and really the church at large the humans behind the Latin Mass, the people who attend this mass. | ||
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Too often, there's stereotypes, there's online personas that don't maybe reflect the reality. | |
| This documentary, I think, for the first time really shows, as Natalie said, as you said yourself, just the average Latin Mass goer who is just a father, a mother, a husband, a wife, and who just really want to go and go to Mass and not have to have it impeded by their own bishop, by their own church. | ||
| I want people to see it and to recognize how truly faithful these individuals are. | ||
| And to have that empathy and ultimately to have change come from that and for people to realize that this is a silly persecution. | ||
| This is unnecessary. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| Natalie Sonnen, where do people go to see the film? | ||
| So we have the film on our website at w.reginamagazine.org. | ||
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So that's where you can go. | |
| We have a QA there. | ||
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We have the film and the trailer. | |
| And you're welcome to share that with friends and family. | ||
| We really want this to go far and wide. | ||
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And we really want an impact for the good of the faithful and for the good of our church. | |
| And your presence on social media? | ||
| We have Facebook. | ||
| We're on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. | ||
| I believe we're on MeWe as well. | ||
| So all of those places are, we've got a couple of accounts on Twitter, but the most recent one, I think it's Regina Mag5. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| And Brian Williams, very quickly, your presence on social media. | ||
| Yeah, the best way to follow would be on X. | ||
| It would be Charlotte Latin Mass Community, but we also have a Facebook account titled Charlotte Latin Mass Community as well. | ||
| There it is. | ||
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And that's where you're going to get most of the updates and on what's happening on the ground, the developments with regards to meetings with the bishop, things of that nature. | |
| That's perfect. | ||
| And as I said before, canon212.com will carry all the links. | ||
| Thanks to my guest, Natalie Sonnen, Brian Williams, and also to Jenny Holland, Liz Yor, for putting this together. | ||
| And of course, Frank Walker at Canon212. | ||
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| Yes, it's an encouragement to see young beautiful big families. | ||
| Everybody appreciates that. | ||
| Right, and I think children too, especially, really benefit from that. | ||
| I think sometimes it's easy to speak too much to them in a way, where it's just these words coming at them, and that they just kind of filter out or go in one ear and out the other. | ||
| But when they're seeing it unfold in front of them and seeing those actions, I think it can have a very profound effect on them and their understanding of God, their relationship with Christ, and their understanding of the sacredness of what's happening before them. | ||
| I mean, I still go to both. | ||
| I go to Nova Sordo and I go to Latin Mass. | ||
| But there was something about the Latin Mass that just, it just like we are in front of our Lord. | ||
| Like, this is He's right there. | ||
| He's right there. | ||
| And I think when you are coming into the church in kind of like your kind of standard parish, it's like, yes, this is our Lord. | ||
| This is His body. | ||
| This is His blood. | ||
| But it still kind of felt like it just seemed a little too loss for words to give a charitable description to my experience. | ||
| Like, I guess, you know, it seemed a little bit soft to me in a way. | ||
| It seemed a little bit feel-good. | ||
| What's the word? | ||
| And when I look at the cross, I didn't see feel-good. | ||
| I saw sacrifice, I saw repentance, I saw, you know, hungering and going on a journey to God. | ||
| I saw deep introspection. | ||
| I don't want to say casual, but sometimes maybe. | ||
| Welcome back, folks. | ||
| Whilst we're trying to connect, there are some technical issues that we're having with Joachim Powell in Germany. | ||
| We've reassembled our regular panel, our posse here, to continue the analysis on this film, Bread and Stones. | ||
| I picked that extract there. | ||
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As I said at the beginning, I really could have picked any 30-second, any 60-second pull from that in order to extract it. | |
| Really, because the way they edited that together, two separate contributors being interviewed at separate points in time, having the same difficulty in trying to put into words what it is they like about the old Latin Mass and what's sort of lacking in the new one. | ||
| Lizio, let me come back to you first off because I go to both masses. | ||
| I go to the old, the old Latin one and the new one. | ||
| The reason I go to the new one at the moment, because I'm living in a small village just in the environs of Rome. | ||
| And it's just nice to be able, it's like a small, really small village of a couple of hundred people, and it's nice to be able to go to Mass on Sunday and see the people there and then see them sort of at the coffee bar, the groceries or what have you, or getting bread throughout the week. | ||
| And if I had to sort of, I don't know, drive 50 miles or what to get the local Latin Mass, you are somewhat dislocated from that sense. | ||
| That's what they're saying in this film, right? | ||
| Of the parish community. | ||
| That's the, I think that the real heinous thing that what Bishop Martin is doing is that, and they they can they confronted this in the film. | ||
| They're respecting, they're expecting parishioners to decide between their love of parish and their love of the old mass. | ||
| Just if you wouldn't mind as we open this and continue the discussion on the importance of this film and what is going on in Charlotte, North Carolina, just tell me something, wouldn't you? | ||
| If you wouldn't mind, Liz, about the Old Mass for a largely evangelical audience following us today, what is the Old Mass? | ||
| What is the Tridentine Mass? | ||
| And why are some Catholics so agitated about what the Bishop in the Diocese of Charlotte has done? | ||
| But first of all, just for an evangelical, a largely evangelical audience, just what is the Tridentine Latin Mass? | ||
| Well, I do remember the Latin Mass. | ||
| I grew up on the Latin Mass. | ||
| I was educated by the Latin Mass. | ||
| And what I found there was the beautiful Latin, the reverence, the transcendence of the church, the quiet, the quiet recitation of the prayers, following along in the Missal. | ||
| Latin has a special, I think, spiritual meaning for many of us. | ||
| And it was the Latin Mass in America that built Catholic families, that educated millions of children in Catholic schools, that created thousands of vocations. | ||
| And I remember it was like overnight when the Latin Mass was ripped out of the churches and we had felt banners taken up, then the magnificent 30-pipe organs were silenced, and we had banjos and guitars at the front of Mass. | ||
| And the priest, instead of facing Jesus Christ and the cross, faced the congregation. | ||
| This was a people-centered as opposed to a Christ-centered Mass. | ||
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And I saw at that point in time people leaving the church in droves. | |
| They had no idea what happened to this magnificent liturgy. | ||
| I saw priests leaving in droves and nuns leaving in droves. | ||
| And we have not had a serious discussion about the impact. | ||
| Now we know that the church has fallen off because of robbing us of this magnificent liturgy. | ||
| But these people in Charlotte, they are in many respects and in many of the major cities, they are the white martyrs. | ||
| They're traveling two hours to go to this magnificent Mass because they want their families to experience the beauty and transcendence of Catholicism that has been for 1,500 years creating martyrs and Catholics and faithful citizens and faithful lovers of God and Jesus Christ. | ||
| And this is the battle we're going to have. | ||
| And the battle of the Catholic Church has always been against the world. | ||
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And the Latin Mass stands in contradiction to the world and to secularism. | |
| And we saw that, what secularism does to a Catholic boy who's now dead, and to two little children who have been dead at his hand. | ||
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And I think there is no coincidence that this movie is rolling out on this week, this sad week in America. | |
| By the way, Liz, we absolutely caught that when this came through in real time on Wednesday evening and the tragedy was unfolding. | ||
| You, Frank, and Jenny, you absolutely, with the stories that we picked, really, by, because we hadn't planned, obviously, that as we planned the show, we hadn't planned those events around it. | ||
| But the um, but your analysis, what the three of you said on Wednesday, I think you absolutely nailed that story. | ||
| Um, I'm very proud of the coverage that you brought out in real time. | ||
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Um, Liz, I can buy, I can agree with everything you say just now. | |
| There's one thing, however, that really just strikes me as being untrue and really objectively untrue. | ||
| And I can't accept what you said, and that's that you're old enough to remember the old mass. | ||
| Uh, I that I don't believe, I don't believe that. | ||
| I know it's a mere child, a mere child, a mere child, Frank Walker. | ||
| Um, one of the great services that you do with Canon 212 as an aggregator, I often say you're basically the trad Catholic Matt Drudge, and that is exactly the role that Canon 212 has. | ||
| You're putting out headlines there that over the course of the week, um, perhaps one or two might be picked up by uh some of the other trad sites. | ||
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Um, but the whole full horror of what is going on in the church, I think you have a unique source that you're putting together there. | |
| And again, it's a labor of love that you do when you when you put that site together and update it in real time. | ||
| Um, it was through your website, right, though that we had that I found that story that I mentioned. | ||
| I saw nowhere else about this Catholic priest association last having that conference talking about folks, here's your trigger warning. | ||
| Put your hands of your parents over your young kids is right now. | ||
| But when what they were talking about, and this was um picked up by um the Leipanto Institute, Michael Hickborne, if memory serves me correctly, had the tape recorder out. | ||
| He was silently listening to what these priests were saying, um, between themselves. | ||
| And that one of the one of the priests said that he thanks God as he masturbates, um, and that masturbation is a form of prayer. | ||
| So, you have this going on in the, you know, and it's thanks to Canon 212 that Catholics can know about this, right? | ||
| So, you have that, that's what's going on over in the Novus Auto section, the section of the Catholic Church, which is the majority in terms of actual priests and bishops. | ||
| That's what they're talking about behind closed doors. | ||
| And you see what's going on where you have this mass, parts of which the canon of the old mass of the Latin Mass, the traditional Latin Mass, that goes back to like the third and fourth centuries, like 1,700 years old, unchanged. | ||
| And you're seeing, and you're seeing the fruits of that. | ||
| You're seeing these regular Catholics being spiritually enriched by their presence of the old Mass. | ||
| So, my question to you, Frank Walker, because you study these things like nobody else. | ||
| Where is the Catholic media on this issue? | ||
| Because I really see just the laity. | ||
| I see the passionate laity here. | ||
| Apart from you, who's picking this up on Canon 212? | ||
| Who's out there defending? | ||
| Obviously, this show as well. | ||
| But who is stepping into the breach here to defend the integrity of these ordinary Latin mass-going parishioners? | ||
| No, it was a wonderful thing. | ||
| A lot of people send me articles, nice people at Canon 212. | ||
| I get a lot of help with this site, but it's a wonderful thing that they are actually making this film because even if it doesn't, You know, convince the hierarchy to be different, it's still fighting and it's still going to grow and build a community. | ||
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They'll see it in the comments that we're getting. | |
| The um, the church that the Novus Order church is the church in free fall, it's not putting up a wall to the way society is. | ||
| That's why you have what this tranny, this trans guy who shot up the church, whose mother was an employee there. | ||
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He uh, he that is the Novos Ordo Catholic Church. | |
| She was part of that community, he was part of that community. | ||
| He was like, like in the story that you mentioned, priests that don't think that sexual sins are a big deal were part of this guy's formation. | ||
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That's why he thought that he was this way, which he regretted later. | |
| It instilled so much hate in him for him to reject himself. | ||
| If they would have just been in the Latin Mass community, this would never have happened. | ||
| This movie shows the people and how much they are changed by God. | ||
| That's why they can't put words. | ||
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They can't put it to words because God, they're in God's hands, and God is changing them and turning them into something completely different. | |
| And all they can do is just be dazzled by it. | ||
| They can't mention it. | ||
| I don't know why the press, the press only is going to do what they're. | ||
| We live in a society. | ||
| There's so much control. | ||
| We think we have all this freedom in the press. | ||
| There's not freedom in the Catholic press. | ||
| The Catholic press wants Leo to be Benedict. | ||
| And, you know, like you, I go to Novos Ordo during the week and because it's close, because I'd rather have that mess than no mass at all. | ||
| And on the weekends, there's a lot of people in the traditional faithful Catholic community. | ||
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They like to knock Pope Benedict. | |
| They like to complain about it. | ||
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And they have good reasons. | |
| But if it weren't for Pope Benedict, then this wouldn't happen. | ||
| These people would not exist if it weren't for Pope Benedict. | ||
| And he paid the price for what he did. | ||
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I mean, that's what happens when you cross, you know, and the media refuses to cross them. | |
| But somebody's got to bring the truth out there. | ||
| That's what this movie does. | ||
| This movie brings a truth in a situation where nobody else is going to do it because they love to spike stories, like about how the tranny is really just a Catholic phenomenon. | ||
| The shooter in Annunciation is a Catholic, a Novos Ordo Catholic phenomenon. | ||
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Frank Walker, we only have six minutes of the show left. | |
| Otherwise, otherwise, I would respond to your challenge on your gratuitous attack on Catholics who criticized Pope Benedict. | ||
| I have plenty of defenses, but a point taken. | ||
| Jenny, I'm going to just ask you the question now. | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
| If not for the, is there anywhere to go for people who seek out the transcendent in the modern world? | ||
| You've got to watch this film, right? | ||
| Folks, I said earlier, it was prayerfully made. | ||
| The transcendence, they did very well, the makers of that film, because the transcendence, which is part of the experience of going to the old mass, you really get to get a feel for that just by watching this film. | ||
| It's only 15 minutes long. | ||
| Jenny, I'm going to ask you about that transcendence. | ||
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| Jenny Holland, where do people go in the modern world for transcendence? | ||
| Transcendence doesn't exist in the modern world, and neither does mystery. | ||
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And I know I already spoke about reverence in the first segment, but mystery and transcendence are very clearly central to the Latin Mass. | |
| And I've been to them myself and I have experienced that, but it's also made very clear in the film. | ||
| And what Liz was saying about how the heart was ripped out of a lot of parishes after the Nova Sordo became the normal Mass, that actually speaks to my mother's own family. | ||
| My grandfather was what would now be called a Trotrat cath and a very devout Latin Mass goer. | ||
| And, you know, the family's Catholicism definitely fell apart once the Latin Mass was abandoned. | ||
| And obviously, there were a lot of other factors going on there. | ||
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But even my mother, who abandoned the church and became an actual communist for at least a few years, she would always spoke and still does this day very fondly of the Latin Mass and how much more beautiful it was and how much more powerful it was and how much more sacred it was. | |
| And how the kind of, like I said earlier, the banality of the kind of happy clappy guitar mass was a loss. | ||
| Mystery and transcendence are things that are not just lacking in the mass, but they're lacking in liberal worldview altogether. | ||
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And I actually think this has had deeply negative repercussions because over time, this was compounded into a very smug sense of man knows it all. | |
| The educated, the intellectual, the professional knows it all. | ||
| And that might have sounded well and good, I don't know, 30 years ago when the guardrails were still in place and things were more, you know, somewhat normal. | ||
| But now, after everything we've seen in the last 10 years, after COVID, after the rise of the trans insanity and the sex changes for children, which was all rubber stamped and enthusiastically promoted by professionals and by intellectuals and by the great and the good, | ||
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we see that the lack of wonder, the lack of mystery, the lack of sacredness, and the lack of fear led to a hubris that has literally destroyed the lives of countless children. | |
| Jenny, where do people go to catch beautifully put? | ||
| Where do people go to catch you on social media? | ||
| I'm on jennyholland.substack.com and I'm on X at Semper Femina21. | ||
| Lizio? | ||
| Well, I would just ask before giving my social media that everyone send and tweet the movie Breadnot Stones to at Pontifex. | ||
| That is Pope Leo's Twitter account, X account. | ||
| I'm at Your Children Everywhere. | ||
| Frank Walker. | ||
| Canon 212 with just one N. Type it out in the screen and also Twitter at Canon212 spelled out. | ||
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Don't forget folks, you need to type it out in full because Canon 212 since Frank Walker started appearing on this show has been suppressed by the Google algorithms. | |
| Thank you for joining us. | ||
| We'll be back on Friday of next week. | ||
| Liz, I'd like to thank you for instigating the initiating this show today. | ||
| It went very well. |
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