Aug. 26, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| The issue, Mr. Secretary, for, I think, the base of the Republican Party, certainly for the Ingramangle for many, many years, conservatives, is this idea of foreign students coming to the United States and taking spots that would normally be, you know, obviously open to American students. | ||
| The President addressed this issue as part of the Chinese trade deal, which might be in the offing. | ||
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| We're going to get along good with China. | ||
| I hear so many stories about we're not going to allow their students. | ||
| We're not going to allow their students to come in. | ||
| We're going to allow, it's very important, 600,000 students. | ||
| It's very important. | ||
| Mr Secretary, with all due respect, how is allowing 600,000 students from the communist country of China putting America first? | ||
| Well, the President's point of view is that what would happen if you didn't have those 600,000 students is that you'd empty them from the top, all the students would go up to better schools, and the bottom 15% of universities and colleges would go out of business in America. | ||
| So his view is he is taking a rational economic view, which is classic Donald Trump looking at higher education and saying, but why are you talking about that? | ||
| Until we modify that. | ||
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Look, we're getting along very well with China. | |
| And I'm getting along very well with President Xi. | ||
| I think it's very insulting to say students can't come here because they'll go out, they'll start building schools, and they'll be able to survive it. | ||
| But I like that their students come here. | ||
| I like that other countries' students come here. | ||
| And you know what would happen? | ||
| If they didn't, our college system would go to hell very quickly. | ||
| You'd have, and it wouldn't be the top colleges. | ||
| It would be colleges that struggle on the bottom and you take out 300,000 or 600,000 students out of the system. | ||
| I like having, and I told this to President Xi that we're honored to have their students here. | ||
| Now, with that, we check and we're careful and we see who's there and Marco wants that. | ||
| We spoke. | ||
| We're in the same position. | ||
| But we have a tremendous college system, the best in the world. | ||
| Nobody even close. | ||
| That's why China sends them here. | ||
| And you can call it an industry if you want, but you're talking about millions of people. | ||
| And I'm honored to have the students from China come here. | ||
| And they're, we're just getting along very well with China. | ||
| We've also found many bags of information. | ||
| I think they call them burned bags. | ||
| They're supposed to be burned and they didn't get burned having to do with how corrupt the 2020 election was and when will that all come out Mr. President I will be the first to brief you once we have that information collected but you're right it's it's we are finding documents literally tucked away in the back of safes in random offices in these bags and in other areas which again speaks to the intent of those who are trying to hide the truth from the American people and | ||
| trying to cover up the politicization that was led by people like John Brennan and James Clapper and others that have caused really immeasurable harm to the American people and to our country. | ||
| Great job. | ||
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| We look forward to hearing it. | ||
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War room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. You're in the war room. | ||
| It's Tuesday, August 26th in the year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| Natalie Winters hosting today, filling in for Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| We've got a packed show, so many things that we want to hit, but I think the number one thing that we've learned from the Trump ad administration is that they are very responsive. | ||
| If we make noise, we get results. | ||
| And I think that this Chinese student visa issue is one of those things, just like it was the FEMA aid to countries or rather counties or citizens who, what was it, was disrespectful or weren't supportive of the Israeli government. | ||
| When we made enough noise, we saw that provision very swiftly removed from the new DHS guidelines. | ||
| And I think that we need to hold a similar line here on the Chinese visa front, which by the way, the current number hovers, maybe it's a little lower than around 300,000 students. | ||
| So I don't understand even if you think that's great, which it's not, we're certainly going to get into that. | ||
| I don't see why we would be doubling that number. | ||
| I think the brief summary of the argument is these are not students. | ||
| These are spies. | ||
| The short term consequences are IP theft, espionage, cybersecurity incidents, stealing all of our most valuable information. | ||
| I don't understand why we should be training the next generation, at best, of Chinese Communist Party leaders and apparatchiks, at worst, the people that we'll be meeting on the battlefield. | ||
| But I think the longer term implications and, frankly, their Republic ending are that we are essentially creating our own demise. | ||
| This might be the best example I've ever seen of managed decline, the idea that we should hollow out American universities, take places in classrooms from the people I went to high school with, the people that you raised as your children, grandchildren, and give them to foreigners who are mandated per China's Article seven of their National Intelligence Law to advance the interests of the party. | ||
| And spare me the cultural immersion idea. | ||
| How many American students are in China? | ||
| I think it's, what, less than five hundred. | ||
| So that's not really the best two-way street, shall we say. | ||
| And I don't think we need more young American students adopting a communist indoctrination, but definitely more to drill down on that front. | ||
| Like I said, this is a hill to die on. | ||
| I don't there's no explanation for it, let alone the doubling down, let alone doubling the caps to six hundred thousand. | ||
| It's absolutely ludicrous. | ||
| And I think our first guest, Sam Fattis, I would wager that you probably agree with me. | ||
| I won't get too far over my skis, but I think you understand the PRC to be America's probably the largest existential, if not really only real existential threat. | ||
| Your thoughts on this continued discourse, if not outright doubling down on a broadening student visa caps for Chinese students here in the States? | ||
| Well, Natalie, I was listening to your introductory comments there and I'm tempted to just respond amen. | ||
| Look, I get it that the president is trying to manage a complex situation. | ||
| He's trying to get the Chinese to agree to all sorts of different considerations. | ||
| And there's a certain give and take. | ||
| I don't think this is an issue on which we can accept this position. | ||
| There are, like you said, I think. | ||
| I have the same number. | ||
| There's something slightly less than three hundred thousand Chinese students in the United States already. | ||
| That's too many. | ||
| The idea that we're going to double them, very ill advised. | ||
| I mean, look, let's just start with this. | ||
| The Chinese come here to study hard sciences and engineering. | ||
| They come. | ||
| They don't come here to study English literature or read Chaucer, right? | ||
| They come here to take away our key advantage, that one thing that we count on that will assure us victory if, God forbid, we end up in a shooting war, which is our technology, our technological edge. | ||
| And they may individually be great people, but every Chinese citizen that comes here will, if the CCP wants, be compelled to spy on us. | ||
| Not because they want to, not because they love communism, because they have no choice, because they are subject to that compulsion. | ||
| because they are pressured, because literally they will bring them in to the embassy, the consulate, or some other office, and put them on a video call with grandma if they hesitate And that's not a joke and I'm not hyperbole. | ||
| There is a hammer hanging over their heads and every one of their relatives. | ||
| So you, it's like the godfather. | ||
| It's an offer you cannot refuse. | ||
| And they are stealing us blind and we cannot get our hands around the threat with the current number. | ||
| So there is no prayer that we will get our hands around the threat with twice as many of them here. | ||
| They will just steal that much more and we will ultimately pay on the battlefield as you suggested. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's an interesting, I think, like concurrent straw manning and steel manning of the argument. | ||
| In other words, these Chinese students are totally straw manned and made to look like these individuals who are, and I'm sure maybe like one of them is, but are coming here to altruistically learn and absorb the American way of life. | ||
| Although then the steel man, I think, is that these American universities are these wonderful, you know, freethinking places where they're going to be indoctrinated with pro-America thought. | ||
| I would almost posit that American universities are probably more anti-West and more anti-America than some universities that are actually in Beijing. | ||
| I mean, what was it? | ||
| It was Harvard that was working, of course, with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| They were running it was through the Ash Center. | ||
| They were literally running a Chinese leaders development program where they were training the next cadre of Chinese officials, even working with the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, which was a sanctioned entity basically overseeing the Uighur genocide up in Xinjiang. | ||
| So this is not run of the mill stuff. | ||
| And I also think, too, I'm curious to your thoughts. | ||
| I think a lot of this discussion making it about the students really is sort of a limited hangout in the sense that the students are just sort of the foot soldiers of what is a massive multibillion dollar effort for China to own our universities, right? | ||
| It sort of gives them the pretext, the ability to play the game. | ||
| the ability to plow all this money where they're curating not just what the Chinese students are learning, but even, I think, more nefariously, this very whitewashed version of China's ascension, which is one of, oh, it's an economic miracle, right? | ||
| I'm curious your thoughts on that aspect of, or facet rather, of compromise. | ||
| Yeah, look, let's just, this is not about Chinese people as an ethnicity, right? | ||
| Nobody is saying that Chinese people are somehow genetically bad, evil, that this is about them. | ||
| This is about an evil, horrible, totalitarian regime, the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| No one suffers more under that than the Chinese people themselves every day. | ||
| But these guys, the CCP, have one objective. | ||
| That is to supplant us and become the dominant power on the planet. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| They're getting dangerously close to that. | ||
| So yeah, they're stealing our technology, they're taking over our university. | ||
| They are moving on all sorts of fronts. | ||
| I mean, I'm all for negotiating with them and dealing with these economic issues in the real world. | ||
| But the fact of the matter is the CCP doesn't want to have a better life for its people, build a better economy, you know, they had more luxuries, more creature comforts. | ||
| It is an evil, totalitarian thing, and it wants to take over and supplant us. | ||
| And if we are dealing with them on any other basis, I mean, we're in La La Land. | ||
| Would we have dealt with the Soviet Union and talked to the Politburo in Kremlin? | ||
| And had any idea that what these guys were looking for was to just climb in bed with us and get comfortable and be just like us? | ||
| No. | ||
| We were never in any well, I mean, maybe some of us were, but as a nation, thank God, we kept our eye on the ball and focused on the fact that these guys want to destroy us. | ||
| That's what the CCP wants across the board in every regard. | ||
| So when we're negotiating with them, we have to keep our eye on that. | ||
| And I will just say again, as an old spook. | ||
| If you think you're going to keep your eye on 600,000 Chinese students crawling around our laboratories and in and out of our institutions and have any clue what they're stealing, you know, you're lost. | ||
| I mean, we are already watching them put stealth jet fighters in the air that are pretty damn close to being carbon copies of what we are flying. | ||
| We're basically doing their research and their development for them already. | ||
| Yes, students can very easily become spies, can very easily become sleeper cells consensually or non-consensually. | ||
| Sam, if you can hang with us through the break, I want to get into what Director Gabbard was talking about the latest on the Ukraine front. | ||
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| You're back in the war room. | ||
| We still have Sam Vattis with us. | ||
| Sam, I'm curious your thoughts. | ||
| There's been a lot of reporting over the last few days about the changes that Director Gabbard is making with regard to Intel sharing on Ukraine. | ||
| Can you walk us through the developments there? | ||
| Yes, so without getting lost in all of the arcane intricacies of how documents are classified in the IC, which nobody wants to suffer through. | ||
| What Gabbard said was all the intelligence, the intelligence we have on the the ongoing Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations that the intelligence community has will all be marked No Foreign, NOFORN. | ||
| Standard designation used in the intelligence community, it means no foreign nations. | ||
| So basically she issued an order that this really sensitive intelligence we have regarding negotiations to end a war, which are being conducted personally by the President of the United States, should not be passed to foreign countries. | ||
| So just to understand the implications. | ||
| In the normal course of business, that would always be true. | ||
| Nobody in his right mind would pass this information to foreign countries, this incredibly sensitive intelligence on the negotiations being conducted by the President of the United States. | ||
| You wouldn't have to tell anybody. | ||
| not to pass that to a foreign nation. | ||
| That would be standard procedure. | ||
| I think every document I ever created at CIA had no foreign on it, just for context. | ||
| So what the real story is here is that Gabbard is so concerned about people inside the intelligence community passing intelligence to other countries that should not be passed that she felt it necessary to issue an order directly as Director of National Intelligence. | ||
| Again, a classification decision that would normally be made at the working level routinely, not by a Director of anything. | ||
| And yet she's so concerned that somebody is going to pass the Brits or somebody else intelligence they shouldn't see that she felt it necessary to issue that order. | ||
| So I tell you, I commend her for doing so, but it says something very troubling about how she feels about the state of the intelligence community that she cannot trust her own agencies not to basically stab the president in the back. | ||
| And do you think this is sort of a representation of how there are a lot of factions, obviously, globally, but even domestically here that are trying to continue this, this war and using sort of intelligence or whatever it may be to just sort of, you know, it's easier to call out a lie, right? | ||
| If you can see what's going on, like you said, it's sort of bizarre that we would be giving them access to what would probably be classified discussions between President Trump and another world leader. | ||
| But do you think this is now sort of being used as another, you know, crimea River, you know, media crying wolf example that we're somehow, you know, becoming pro-Russia and we're soft on Russia and we're not sharing sharing information just another kind of iteration of that. | ||
| Yeah, look, 100% this war is ongoing 24/7 in Washington as you're well aware. | ||
| There are plenty of people in powerful positions that want this war to go on that don't want these peace negotiations to succeed and they are trying they're going to grab a hold of anything. | ||
| So if the intelligence had been leaked, I mean, if it goes to the Brits or it goes to somebody else, it's going to leak, right? | ||
| It's the same as might as well hand it over to the Times in London. | ||
| It's once it's out of our hands, it's going everywhere. | ||
| So, in addition to that, the fact that the information would have been used if it was leaked. | ||
| Now the fact that she's not passing the information is going to be used. | ||
| I mean, any decision that's made, the chant on the other side, the mantra is going to be, you know, it's going to be harmful to American national security and Putin owns us and we're too pro Russian and all of that. | ||
| A lot of really powerful people want this war to continue forever, as far as I could tell. | ||
| Sam Fattis, as always always, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
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| Thanks, Natalie. | ||
| Thank you, sir, for joining us, I appreciate it. | ||
| And like I always bring up too, so many of these huge, what, several billion dollar, hundred billion dollar contracts that we've seen go to Ukraine itemized on the USA spending website as primarily to the big defense contractors, Boeing, Raytheon, Take Your Pick, Lockheed, they're all authorized through the year 2032. | ||
| In some cases, there are dozens of contracts that are active through the late 2020s, but rather 2033, that's not even affecting just this presidential cycle. | ||
| That's the one after in the campaign season of the one after that. | ||
| It's absolutely ridiculous if you want to talk about what the deep state of the permanent political class exists, or I guess, as we called it during the first impeachment, the steady state, the idea that there is a consensus driven group of people who push that Washington consensus of foreign policy. | ||
| I think there's no better evidence than frankly the outrage. | ||
| to Tulsi's decision to do this with Intel sharing or even a lot of these government grants and contracts which show that they want to turn this into the next forever war. | ||
| And to their credit, it's been going on for so many years, maybe we'll put it forever with a little f, but they're very clear, no clandestine activity there about what they want the Ukraine situation to turn into. | ||
| Speaking of Intel, although not that kind, the company, the chip, all the tech stuff going on, the drama there with Intel and the video, the semiconductors and everything that, again, I think sort of goes back to what we started the show with, which was talking about the threat that is the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| It seems like a lot of these deals that are being negotiated are export restrictions that are being lifted and implemented and this sort of back and forth, it all is being viewed, I think, sort of alarmingly through the paradigm of national security, particularly giving, you know, China an unnecessary leg up on us in the realm of advanced chips. | ||
| And Rich Stern, who we love here in the war room, I wanted to have you on to talk about the Fed, but before we pivot to that, just because we were talking about China with Sam, I'd love if you could bring us up to speed on this sort of Intel chip debate. | ||
| But I always like my Fed drama mixed with a little industrial policy as well. | ||
| I think the big thing here we got to keep in mind is as much as you might be concerned, and I certainly am, with a military industrial complex, you should be more concerned about one we share with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And some of the concerns, of course, is that the CEO of Intel has connections to the Chinese government. | ||
| And of course, you know, we have these export controls on our chips to ensure that our high technology does not get into the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And instead, tragically, the Trump admin seems to be allowing them to be lifted so that AMD and Nvidia and Intel will be able to make these chips and sell them in China. | ||
| And of course, you can see that separate from Intel in the negotiations directly between the admin and NVIDIA and AMD will allow them to sell these chips in China and pay merely a 15% sales tax back to the U.S. federal government. | ||
| And so this really seems to be an attempt to put money over the national security interests and a hollowing out of those guardrails against China getting these chips. | ||
| And it's unclear what the American public gets out of this. | ||
| And Rich, I want to play a clip from the cabinet meeting today, President Trump talking about the latest developments at the Fed. | ||
| Denver, let's roll it and we'll get Rich's comments on the other side. | ||
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Mr. President, is who you are considering for the replacement to nominate for Lisa Cook and what economic background or history are you... | |
| Well, we have some very good people for that position and I think we have some very good people. | ||
| We're down to, I mean, I think I maybe in my own mind have somebody that I like. | ||
| But I deal with Scott and I deal with Howard and we're dealing with a lot of people actually that are going to be involved in that decision ultimately. | ||
| It's a very important decision. | ||
| As we see, I mean, I got a bad recommendation when I went with Jerome too late. | ||
| You know, he's too late. | ||
| Nickname is too late. | ||
| Costing us a lot of money, hurting the housing. | ||
| I mean, our housing industry is good, but it could be phenomenal. | ||
| Most of this country, in terms, economic terms, has been phenomenal. | ||
| We've never seen anything like it. | ||
| Because of him and his high interest rates, the housing is less than it could be. | ||
| We're going to get that straightened out very quickly. | ||
| He gets out very quickly, fortunately. | ||
| He's been the wrong guy. | ||
| Not a bad person, I don't think, but I do think he has motives, by the way, but I don't consider him. | ||
| I've dealt with worse, but he hasn't done the job. | ||
| The recommendation from a certain person was not a great recommendation. | ||
| That person vouched for him, but we're doing a very careful study. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| Look, we just put a very good man in one position. | ||
| We might switch him to the other. | ||
| It's a longer term and pick somebody else, but we're very happy with the person we have in there. | ||
| And we'll have a majority very shortly, so that'll be great. | ||
| Once we have a majority, housing is going to swing and it's going to be great. | ||
| People are paying too high an interest rate. | ||
| That's the only problem with housing. | ||
| We have to get the rates down a little bit. | ||
| And when we do, it's going to be a tremendous difference. | ||
| The country is doing so well. | ||
| It sort of blows through the fact that we have a man who's too late and not doing a very good job. | ||
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| If you guys recall, it wasn't too long ago that we broke the story here on Warrior about how the Chinese Communist Party, their researchers, were actively commingling with Fed researchers and pumping out papers that they were using to advise the Fed. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. | |
| Welcome back to the War Room. | ||
| We are still joined by Rich Stern. | ||
| Now, Rich, there are a lot of truth social posts flying, there's a lot of legal ease and law fair flying. | ||
| There's a lot of firings, attempted firings, and people saying that they're going to stay. | ||
| Can you help us cut through the noise? | ||
| What is happening with Lisa Cook if she's still there? | ||
| What your sort of assessment is of what her future looks like? | ||
| And, you know, people who should be filling that role in lieu of her? | ||
| Well, you know, the deep state always makes a lot of noise on the way out the door, right? | ||
| But I will tell you this, Bill Pilte had made a criminal referral out of the housing department about her mortgage application. | ||
| And I have to tell you, looking at it, it really does look like Lisa Cook probably did commit mortgage fraud, which really is a serious crime. | ||
| I mean, she bought two different homes in two different states, two weeks apart from each other, claiming both as her primary residence to get better loan terms. | ||
| And then, frankly, there's a whole question about what she did with her taxes because you can also use that to get better taxes. | ||
| So, you know, a lot of people are trying to politicize the firing, but the truth is he's firing her for cause, which is something the president's got legal authority to do and if she committed a crime that's certainly cause enough but you know to the other part of your question there look the Fed has made a lot of decisions that are very suspicious cutting rates you know half point before the election certainly was it looked politically time is good reason to question that there's a lot of people that have done so and then you know going forward it's important that the Fed makes decisions that are transparent that | ||
| people trust it's important to have people there that unlike Lisa Cook don't have a DEI background. | ||
| I don't mean her. | ||
| I mean her work focused on promoting DEI. | ||
| So it's important we have people there that really are focused on the American economy, the American. | ||
| public and a transparent process at the Fed. | ||
| And just give us a few minutes on, you know, are there names being floated of people who could who could replace her? | ||
| Obviously, they're making it like it's some hyper political witch hunt, but I think you hit the nail on the head. | ||
| She's actually the really politicized one. | ||
| It's just about the economy, the data, the numbers. | ||
| Don't lie. | ||
| But what would the sort of timeline look like for replacing her? | ||
| And are there any, you know, names or people that you think would be logical picks for the president? | ||
| Well, certainly Judah Shelton has been somebody that's been talked about a lot. | ||
| There are other people in there. | ||
| The impression the president gave is that he could might move Moran over so he's got more time in the term, something like that. | ||
| But I think there were a lot of good conservative economists and people who frankly understand how markets work, who are not, you know, like the liberals that get in going to go in and try to use the Federal Reserve as a state bank to promote woke and DI operations and activities, which frankly, you know, the new prime minister in Canada, a lot of people are realizing this. | ||
| He was a central bank chairman for two different central banks and came up with the architecture of these woke focused central banks. | ||
| So it's time to clear that out. | ||
| There were a lot of good economists who would do the job well, who understand what matters, who would come in without an agenda. | ||
| Now, in terms of timeline, the one critical thing here is it's a little unprecedented. | ||
| It's frankly unprecedented to have a Fed governor who seem to have committed a crime of this kind of caliber. | ||
| And so we'll have to see how the legal proceedings go over that. | ||
| I'm sure there's going to be a lot of legal drama getting her out the door and adjudicating what crime she may or may not have committed and how that's going to work. | ||
| But I think once that's cleared up, if she's gone, I think the president will want to move quickly. | ||
| He'll want to reassure markets, make sure we have a good board of governors at the Fed who can get right into it, boots on the ground, so to speak. | ||
| Rich Stern, as always, thank you so much for joining us here in the war room. | ||
| If people want to follow you, hopefully we can have you back on giving us an analysis of the new member, not her, she's gone, maybe facing some investigations for her mortgage fraud allegedly. | ||
| Where can people follow you in the meantime? | ||
| Well, fingers crossed on that one. | ||
| It's always a pleasure and an honor to be here. | ||
| You can find me at Rich A Stern on Twitter, and of course you can go to heritage dot org and find everything I read and that of all my colleagues and what the whole team at the Heritage Foundation puts together. | ||
| So thank you again as always. | ||
| Thank you, sir, for joining us. | ||
| As I was briefly alluding to before we jumped to break, obviously there are a lot of research papers that are published directly on various Fed or regional Fed websites that are actively advising either through conference forums or the papers themselves, Fed policy that are co-authored by researchers from Chinese Communist Party run universities. | ||
| Try to make that make sense. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| But there was also a very robust Senate report that was released about two years ago talking about PRC infiltration of the Fed, even including, but not limited to, Fed officials being detained in China several times while Chinese authorities tried to steal documents from them, compelling, coercing these individuals into signing documents to say that they wouldn't talk about it. | ||
| And of course, there's the very high profile case, I think, being worked out right now, but a man who I believe resides in Northern Virginia, it was the Trump administration that I think issued it was the DOJ sealed the deal on it. | ||
| But a guy who was leaking classified documents under, might I go back to where we started this show, the false pretense of being a university professor at a China based school, further proof that they use academia as yet another arrow in the quiver to take down the United States of America, its unrestricted warfare at its finest, but that the Fed has really created a full. | ||
| out, very concerted effort to get former and even current Fed officials to leak them documents, to leak them classified numbers, figures, you name it. | ||
| If they're going after the Fed, I can guarantee you they're going after every department, every agency here in the United States, which is something that our next guest, Cleo Pascal, knows not just something, but frankly, everything about, if it's even possible to know everything about such a robust political warfare operation. | ||
| But you've really been at the forefront, keeping not just this show, but really, I think the country really on the front lines of what's going on in the Mariana Islands, everywhere Saipan. | ||
| IPAN, you name it, you've really been doing some wonderful reporting and you're here to bring us some updates. | ||
| You got some good clips for us, as we call them, the receipts here in the war room. | ||
| So give us a little redox of everything you've been talking about, but then give us the updates, please, ma'am. | ||
| Yeah, sure, I will. | ||
| And I have to say, I was at a think tank in the UK called Chatham House for about a decade, and I still have the related scars to show it. | ||
| So I can, if you want, at some point we can talk about what's going on in the UK academic community, which is kind of off the charts and does have a direct effect on US security around things like the Diego Garcia base. | ||
| But today, we're going to update what's been going on in the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands, which is something that the War Room POSI has been really touchingly committed to following, especially since the death of Governor Palacios on July 23. | ||
| So this is an US territory. | ||
| These are US citizens. | ||
| It's just above Guam. | ||
| The closest island in the Northern Mariana to Guam is about sixty miles away, which is within a legal boating distance. | ||
| If you're one of the Chinese, many, many Chinese who come into the Commonwealth of Nortorthern Marian is legally without a visa. | ||
| It is still the only part of the United States where Chinese can come in without a visa. | ||
| They're not supposed to leave the Commonwealth of Northern Marian Islands, but they are. | ||
| They're getting to Guam. | ||
| They're buying illegal, illegally buying US driver's licenses. | ||
| In Guam, they've been found on US military bases. | ||
| This is something that has been of great concern to Congress for a long time. | ||
| In November 23, 32 members of Congress, including current Secretary of State Rubio, wrote a letter to then Secretary Mallorca saying, close this. | ||
| So we're trying to close this loophole, make it so that every Chinese who comes into the US has to get a visa. | ||
| But it didn't happen. | ||
| And when the Trump administration came in, there was the Biden administration had just put in something called EVS TAP, which is basically an online form. | ||
| So the people who were pushing to let Chinese come in without a visa were saying, don't worry about it. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| We've got this enhanced vetting. | ||
| They have to do this EVS TAP, which can sound quite convincing. | ||
| But when you actually look at it, why isn't it a visa? | ||
| Why don't they just have to go to the embassy like everybody else or the consulate and apply so that an American official can take a look at them, why do they get away with just doing this online form? | ||
| Why was that such an important thing for China and those pushing the Chinese line to try to advance in the US? | ||
| It's very hard to say, but the woman who represents, who is the delegate from the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands in Congress, she sits in Congress, she's on committees, has been very aggressively going around to her congressional members to try to convince them to support this EVS tap so that Chinese don't have to have a visa. | ||
| And I think you found a couple of very good clips of her describing. | ||
| how she's been getting congressional support. | ||
| So I don't know if you want to play either one of the clips, one from Jim Jordan maybe? | ||
| Yeah, let's go ahead and play the Jim Jordan clip, Denver. | ||
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So the whole thing with EBSAP, it's still vetting for folks who are coming in. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's an opportunity to have a way better vetting than what they had before under that parole stuff. | ||
| And so basically, we saw there was a problem with what was going on before, right? | ||
| That was an acknowledgement from the CNMI that something had to be done and, you know, that additional, an additional layer of scrutiny with regards to the visa waiver program. | ||
| Everybody calls it the China Visa Waiver Program, but actually this is a waiver program that gives entry to the CNMI from various different countries, right? | ||
| Not just China. | ||
| And so, you know, this additional layer of scrutiny was recognized by both sides, right? | ||
| that it was something that was needed to be done and was negotiated through the 902 process during governor torres's administration right and and that's where we we you know And so that was Trump 1. | ||
| Now Trump 2, they're, you know, reviewing all these different programs. | ||
| So that's why it was on pause. | ||
| And, you know, there was a lot of effort that was put into getting them to expeditize their review and get that program moving. | ||
| A lot of folks from Congress, folks that you met, as a matter of fact, Jim Jordan, I saw him at a conference meeting just before I came out here Monday. | ||
| And he was so excited as soon as he heard, because he's at the, as you know, he sits on the judiciary. | ||
| So he got a direct phone call saying, hey, it's back online. | ||
| And he calls me and he's like, did you hear? | ||
| And I'm like, EVS? | ||
| And he's like, yeah. | ||
| And then he was like, I'm so excited for you guys. | ||
| And I'm like, thanks for all your hard work. | ||
| So, you know. | ||
| I'm sorry, but I thought Representative Jordan presents himself as mister Tough on China, not making back channel phone calls to like CCP assets pushing very detrimental policies to our national security. | ||
| Can you walk us? | ||
| Am I crazy? | ||
| What did we just hear? | ||
| Yeah, what did we just see? | ||
| So there were a lot of inaccuracies in there as well. | ||
| So this is EVSTEP is just a China program and it's just so that people in her position can say, you know, there's this enhanced vetting.. | ||
| Well, there's why not a visa? | ||
| Just it's not complicated. | ||
| Every Chinese coming into the US should have a visa. | ||
| It's just it shouldn't be complicated. | ||
| But they sold it to these members of Congress in a way that kind of I must have convinced them. | ||
| And what's been great is because you tweeted about it. | ||
| You did a great tweet thread. | ||
| I don't know if they want to put it up, but I think on maybe August 12 or something. | ||
| And Tyler O'Neill from the Daily Signal. | ||
| I recommend people that you've got many more receipts in there that people might want to take a look at. | ||
| And Tyler O'Neill from the Daily Signal picked up on this on your thread and on another aspect, which we can talk about. | ||
| And he called those congressional offices. | ||
| So he called Jim Jordan's office and asked, or, you know, what's going on? | ||
| And the reply from Jim Jordan's office was, you could sort of hear the back pedaling. | ||
| I'll read it. | ||
| Chairman Jordan simply inquired about the program with DHS on behalf of a colleague, but ultimately the Trump administration decided to push the program forward. | ||
| It is not something that he is actively pushing out of the judiciary committee. | ||
| So that's the Jim Jordan position. | ||
| And the question is sort of what is what is the program? | ||
| What is behind this for someone in her position? | ||
| And I don't know if you want to play the other clip, the Brian Mast clip, which gives a little bit more insight into some of the thinking or some of the phrasing behind it. | ||
| I don't know if that's possible. | ||
| It's an absolutely perfect segue because we are just coming against a break, but we will come back. | ||
| But this is the point. | ||
| All these people talk very tough on China. | ||
| It's very cool. | ||
| We hear it's bipartisan, but in reality they talk tough on China to inflate the defense spending and we never see anything in return while pushing bizarre programs like this. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| I had a chat with Representative Mass out of Florida and it was recommended to me. | ||
| to develop a relationship with Congressman Mass because he has direct ear of the president and often travels down to Florida because the president goes down there to Mar Largo, right, on Air Force One with the president. | ||
| So he has the ear of the president. | ||
| And I went up to him and I was like, listen, you know, I hear this about you, I need some help, this is the situation, right? | ||
| And, you know, coincidentally, the following day, the following day, I'm getting messages from the tour operators here on the ground that we're seeing movement in terms of the processing. | ||
| And on, you know, the following morning I had a transportation and infrastructure meeting so I went up and I was like hey I don't know if it's a coincidence but you know here we are I just wanted to say thank you right and what he tells me is that listen we're not anti-China we want their money you know there's a clear differentiation between national security concerns and wanting money right and what this is about at the end of the day is money You're | ||
| back in the war room. | ||
| I think there, Cleo, another sort of interesting moment of the mask dropping. | ||
| They think they're just talking on some show, but there's an interesting tell there where it's like they are targeting people because of their proximity and influence to President Trump. | ||
| I think the operative question there being like, who is they? | ||
| Right. | ||
| She doesn't really specify. | ||
| I think you and I can probably fill in that blank. | ||
| But can you just sort of explain how this is like a pattern that is more broadly replicated even down to the level of personnel infiltration in the Trump administration? | ||
| Yeah, well, this has been a consistent problem. | ||
| And the other thing that was highlighted in that great Tyler O'Neill Daily Signal piece is what he was actually writing about was this man called Angel Demipan who was her former legislative director, who has now been appointed Deputy Assistant Secretary for Insular and International Affairs in the Department of Interior. | ||
| Now that doesn't sound like a very important position, but it actually is core to Hemispheric Defense. | ||
| The Department of Interior oversees Guam, the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, Palau, Federated States of Micronesia, and Marshall Islands. | ||
| These are this is this whole center of the Pacific. | ||
| That's what's between Hawaii and the Philippines and onward to Japan. | ||
| That whole core of the Pacific falls under the Department of Interior for historic reasons. | ||
| And this is now, this guy who, according to the reporting by Tyler O'Neill, the FEC found that he took money from at least two Chinese companies when he was running as a politician in the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas. | ||
| One of them, a major Chinese casino that was running billions of dollars through the CNMI economy, through the Marianas economy. | ||
| And the other one with that classic name, Honest Profit, you've always got to trust a company called Honest Profit, a Chinese company, had both and others contributed to his election campaign and FEC found found found found him guilty of that but because of the statute of limitations didn't didn't pursue the case. | ||
| He was also the chief of staff to the previous governor before governor Palacios under whose administration about 1.6 billion dollars of federal funding has been hasn't been properly accounted for. | ||
| And remember, this is a location that has a population of about 45,000 people. | ||
| This is a lot of money, highly strategic location. | ||
| There was a Senate Armed Services Committee, congressional delegation in Tinian, which is part of Commonwealth of North Marianas yesterday, looking at the new installations that are going in on Northfield that will be critical to Hemispheric Defense. | ||
| Highly strategic, very small population, large amounts of Chinese money flowing through directly into the pockets of local politicians, one of whom is now the face of the Trump administration in one of the most strategically important locations for US national defense. | ||
| So where do we stand on the personnel front? | ||
| Have we seen any movement? | ||
| I saw the Warren Posse last lighting up a lot of these members of Congress, but I haven't seen any retractions. | ||
| I think in that Daily Signal article you mentioned, it seemed like I think it was the Nell's office basically doubled down in their support for it. | ||
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So have we seen any movement? | |
| No. | ||
| I mean, I think that as you know better than anybody, Congress is a little bit like high school. | ||
| And she's the new girl. | ||
| She got elected this term. | ||
| And then, you know, I a hard working female politician, but that's if you're using that analogy of it being like high school. | ||
| So she came in, nobody really knew who she was. | ||
| She tells a good story, very convincing, and she basically burned a bunch of colleagues. | ||
| She's a Republican and she has made it so that Jim Jordan, Brian Mast, Nells are getting very uncomfortable calls about, like what you said. | ||
| You say you're tough on China, but you're supporting China a program that allows Chinese into the US without a visa. | ||
| So I think she's going to find her return to Congress a little bit less warm and fuzzy than her initial introduction to Congress. | ||
| There was a congressional delegation that was supposed to go out from the small business in August that has been postponed. | ||
| So I don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but what there really needs to be is a Treasury investigation into what happened to that 1.6 billion dollars of US taxpayer money. | ||
| Because it certainly didn't go to benefit the people of the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas. | ||
| Their economy is in shambles. | ||
| They could have really used that money for reconstruction. | ||
| So that's and nobody quite knows where it is. | ||
| And now that Governor Palacios has passed away, he was really holding the front line for for all of us, for America, and you're starting to see things like they've announced the resumption of direct flights from Hong Kong to the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas. | ||
| She that that same member of Congress is pushing for a reinstatement of Annex six of the US China Transport Agreement, which would allow unlimited flights from mainland China on Chinese carriers into the Commonwealth of North Mariana Islands. | ||
| Again, this is the United States and into Guam. | ||
| Annex six allows those direct flights to go into Guam as well. | ||
| So there's this mining of US security everywhere you turn that defunct casino that was running billions of dollars. | ||
| Its assets were just purchased by another very shady company that looks like it also has ties to China. | ||
| And every single day you see headlines in the newspaper in the Marianas of things like a Chinese drug dealer who is importing methamphetamine and lavalamps, other Chinese drug dealers who are selling meth near primary schools, the former chief of parole of Wang Yi was found guilty. | ||
| We'll have to have you back on a. | ||
| I just want to give you time. | ||
| If people want to get in contact with you, follow, stay up to date with everything you're working on, where can they go to do all that? | ||
| On X, it's just my name, Cleo Pascal, CLEO, PASKL. | ||
| And on Getter, it's real Cleo, because somebody is unreal Cleo Pascal on Getter. | ||
| Thank you, ma'am, for really fighting on this issue very hard. | ||
| There are not many other people. | ||
| More importantly, thank you for joining me. | ||
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