Aug. 26, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| On behalf of this beautiful group, on behalf of these families, on behalf of your loved ones who fought for our nation, America deserves answers as far as what happened in Afghanistan. | ||
| The military needs to answer for what happened in Afghanistan. | ||
| So upon the president's direction, immediately we initiated an investigation which showed that there needed an even deeper dive. | ||
| So Sean Parnell, our Pentagon spokesman, who himself is an Afghanistan veteran, is leading this effort. | ||
| It's a top priority for us. | ||
| We're getting access to all documents necessary. | ||
| why decisions were made, why they weren't made, why certain force protection measures were ignored. | ||
| Again, there's never been accountability for this. | ||
| It's something that Joe Biden allowed to happen that never should have happened. | ||
| Any objective observer knows that's not how you lead a country. | ||
| And certainly these families know better than anyone else. | ||
| These families deserve answers. | ||
| We're going to be honest about it. | ||
| We're going to get to the bottom of it. | ||
| Sean Parnell in Afghanistan Vet is leading it, and we're doing it on behalf of the American people. | ||
| So I would anticipate middle of 2026. | ||
| That's how thorough of the review we're doing. | ||
| Hopefully a little bit sooner, but we're going into everything to get an understanding of what happened. | ||
| Very special. | ||
| Proclamation done and completed. | ||
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| The United States Marine Corps Sergeant Joanne Rosario Picardo was part of the Marines' Female Engagement team. | ||
| She was a native of Lawrence, Massachusetts, a 2014 graduate of Lawrence High School and attended Bridgewater State University. | ||
| She was full of light, armed with valor and bravery, who at the young age of eighteen decided to raise her hand to serve our country as a member of the United States Marine Corps. | ||
| Corporal Umberto Sanchez, United States Marine Corps, was a native of Logansport, Indiana. | ||
| 2017 graduate of Logansport High School, he bravely answered the call to serve his nation. | ||
| He was honored to be putting on the Marine uniform and serving his country. | ||
| Staff Sergeant Ryan Noss, U.S. Army, motivated young man who loved his country from Knoxville, Tennessee. | ||
| He joined the army shortly after graduating high school. | ||
| He was part of the eighth PsyOps group and was looking forward to moving to DC upon his return home. | ||
| Staff Sergeant Darren Taylor Hoover.over, United States Marine Corps, known as Taylor, former high school football player from Midville, Utah. | ||
| He spent his entire adult life as a marine for the last eleven years. | ||
| His father said his son did what he loved, was leading his men and was with them to the end. | ||
| He loved the United States and proved it by his service. | ||
| Sergeant Nicole Gee, United States Marine Corps. | ||
| She was a Marines Marine, loved helping people and she did it until the end. | ||
| She is a native of Sacramento, California. | ||
| Lance Corporal Dylan Baralla, United States Marine Corps from Rancho Cucamonga, graduate of Los Osos High School, had only been in Afghanistan two weeks, planned to study engineering in college after his military service. | ||
| His mom said he was kind, loving, and giving to every single person. | ||
| He gave he would give anything for anyone. | ||
| Lance Corporal Karim Nikawi graduated from Norco High School in 2019. | ||
| He loved what he was doing. | ||
| He always wanted to be a Marine. | ||
| David Lee Espinosa, United States Marine Corps, Laredo, Texas, graduated from Lyndon B. Johnson High School, grew up in Rio Bravo. | ||
| Corporal Hunter Lopez, United States Marine Corps, from Riverside, California. | ||
| His parents are Riverside Sheriff Deputies Captain Herman Lopez and Deputy Alicia Lopez. | ||
| He was a brave and selfless soldier who answered the call of duty. | ||
| Music Riley McCollum, United States Marine Corps, graduated in 20119 from Jackson Hole High School, was going to be a father in three weeks and was a newlywed. | ||
| He joined the Marines the day he turned eighteen. | ||
| Landscorporal Jared Schmidt, United States Marine Corps, from Saint Charles County, Missouri. | ||
| Graduated high school in 2019. | ||
| He became a Marine in 2020. | ||
| He had always dreamed of being a Marine and he was on his first deployment. | ||
| Corporal Dagen William Tyler Page graduated from Miller South High School in Omaha, Nebraska. | ||
| Joined the Marines in 2019. | ||
| He loved the brotherhood of the Marines. | ||
| His parents said he was a genuinely happy guy that you could always count on. | ||
| And Navy corpsman Matt Exton Soviak from Berlin Heights, Ohio, graduated in 2017 from Edison High School. | ||
| He was excited about the opportunities the Navy would offer him and planned to make the Navy a career. | ||
| Okay, Tuesday, 26 August in the year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| That is, four years ago today, the Abbey Gate bombing, 170 Afghans and 13 honored dead. | ||
| I believe that that commemoration there was from the first anniversary of a Mo. | ||
| You read out the names and the citations. | ||
| The question, I think, before us, we're going to talk today. | ||
| We got a cabinet meeting in the 11 o'clock hour. | ||
| We've got a lot to go through. | ||
| between now and then so much happening but I think it's a good time for reassessment I believe I heard General Milley actually speaking and criticizing the president last week on a different topic but But the question goes, what have we learned from Abby Gate? | ||
| What have we really learned and what lessons do we take away from the disastrous adventure in Afghanistan and the disastrous adventure in Iraq? | ||
| And not the global war on terror. | ||
| That's very different. | ||
| These two wars of nation building and wars of choice. | ||
| because the Afghan situation with the Taliban and what we do with the Taliban was really solved or could have been totally solved in the first, I don't know, 100 days or six months. | ||
| Have we really learned any lessons? | ||
| And the reason I ask this is you see the same proponents of this failed strategy just non-stop on television and never held accountable. | ||
| I would actually propose that 26 August be set aside as a day of commemoration for the wars of the 21st century. | ||
| particularly the young generation that volunteered to fight. | ||
| Remember, all of these were volunteers. | ||
| Unlike World War II and World War I, where there were principally draftees, these were volunteers., people that volunteered to defend their country or what they thought at the time was defending their country. | ||
| And of course, they were sent all over Hell's Half Acre to these wars of choice that now we know because of the manipulation of information and really, quite frankly, internal propaganda that these were unnecessary and people were lied to over and over again. | ||
| Afghanistan being only slightly worse than Iraq. | ||
| You know, 20 years after our adventure in Afghanistan started, the Washington Post did a series called the Afghan Papers. | ||
| And it was every bit as damning as the Pentagon papers. | ||
| Now it got very little play because the progressive left is now the biggest proponent of the deep state. | ||
| They control the deep state. | ||
| So unlike in previous eras where there was a fight against the deep state, there was no fight until the MAGA movement came along with the twin goals of deconstructing the administrative state but taking on and destroying the deep state. | ||
| And my question today, and Pete Hegs just laid out they're doing an investigation. | ||
| Sean Parnell, who is a friend of the show and a guy we think so highly of, Sean Parnell runs comms over at the Pentagon. | ||
| and Sean has got an amazing book about his time as a junior officer in those wars and really kind of rose to prominence because of that. | ||
| Sean is doing an investigation and Pete said it would come out sometime in 2026, so they're taking their time to do it. | ||
| Okay, that's good. | ||
| It seems a little long, but if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. | ||
| But we have to hold these people accountable. | ||
| I don't know what we're waiting on General Milley for, because I think he can be held accountable very, very quickly. | ||
| But the people that in the Biden regime, and you see him on TV all the time, you see Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken in this crowd. | ||
| It's like in Susan Rice, plus the architects of the Iraq War. | ||
| I mean, you see Nicole Wallace and Dana Perino, these people, you know, either on Fox or MSNBC, they're on all the time. | ||
| They were the mouthpieces for what was clearly we were lied to about Iraq to get into that war. | ||
| The wars of the, you know, the phoniness of the weapons of mass destruction and the real reasons we were there. | ||
| and lost so many lives and blood and treasure. | ||
| And I don't know, Brown University says that it's approximately $9 trillion. | ||
| Those wars cost us of wasted capital and that's just a fraction of the wasted lives what is it combined 8,000 KIAs and I think that's just the the uniform services doesn't include the contractors you know we went we went to the contractor model look at Tej Gill Tej Gill is what 16 combat tours and I don't know half of those are are as a a SEAL and half as a contractor because we went to a different model to make sure that you know we couldn't afford the the health care we couldn't afford the retirement so | ||
| We went to kind of get it off the balance sheet, but they're still American warriors. | ||
| And we have to look at this. | ||
| It's a good day to think about this, to think about Afghanistan, to think about everything you recall. | ||
| Remember, for those of you who have been with the show for years, remember we did it live over those couple of days. | ||
| In fact, Rob Sigg and talked to Parker and Rob. | ||
| We went live on a Sunday night, had a live special on a Sunday evening in the middle of this thing because of the disaster. | ||
| disaster that was building up on this retreat really wasn't a retreat it was just a mad scramble disgracefully out of Afghanistan. | ||
| And it's obviously so central to what's happening going forward, going forward, and we're going to talk about that today, these different wars in Ukraine, the wars in the Middle East, this potential war that they're trying to drive us to. | ||
| In Persia, that we're not going to take debate on, we got off the hook last time when President Trump had total obliteration. | ||
| the total obliteration campaign that ended their nuclear enrichment program. | ||
| But we always have to be on watch here. | ||
| And quite frankly, this goes to the NDAA and the budget and the deficits. | ||
| You have now the National Defense Authorization Act that's going to lock us into over a trillion dollar defense bill. | ||
| And my question is, it doesn't coincide whatsoever with President Trump's stated strategy of hemispheric defense. | ||
| And I would love to see the White House and the National Security Council come out. | ||
| Basically, you're supposed to do this report every year. | ||
| It'll be out, I think, in November or December. | ||
| But I'd like to see it for this budget cycle as we run up to the end of the fiscal year, and particularly the must-approve NDAA, which I ask, why do we have to approve that? | ||
| Why is it a must-pass bill? | ||
| And people was, oh, Steve, you're talking about our national security. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| Those authorizations, you're supposed to authorize, I think, most of these departments, at least every five or ten years. | ||
| I don't believe the EPA has been authorized since its inception. | ||
| I don't think the Justice Department has been reauthorized for, I don't know, 40 or 50 years. | ||
| If we're going to play by the rules, and I believe we should play by the rules, and I think we should go through authorizations, reauthorizations of these departments. | ||
| I think we need to get back to that. | ||
| Because then you can start asking basic questions about what in the hell are we doing? | ||
| What does this exist? | ||
| What's its task and what's its purpose? | ||
| before we talk about funding it. | ||
| And the NDAA that they're talking about, this must-pass NDAA, which is just an authorization, but you still do the appropriations, still that, but they do this to lock. | ||
| it in, because then they say, well, look, the numbers are trillion dollars, and you have to spend the trillion dollars, and they've got it kind of out in big sections. | ||
| But the NDAA does not tie back to the strategy that President Trump, I think, has been pretty articulate laying out, which is a hemispheric defense. | ||
| That to come back and have a hemispheric defense, it's not that you're retreating from the world, but you're taking a smarter view of it, that we don't need to be engaged all over the planet and particularly on the Eurasian landmass. | ||
| We can actually do this quite much smarter in expeditionary forces. | ||
| Well, Steve, what's an expeditionary force? | ||
| Well, let me give you two examples. | ||
| An expeditionary force was that massive bombing and naval campaign., because remember, it was 30 Tomahawk missiles that took out the Iranian, took out the Persian nuclear enrichment program, right? | ||
| Total obliteration, according to our commander-in-chief. | ||
| Also, you have 4,000 Marines right now and sailors heading towards being attached to Southcom to head to basically the Caribbean and an amphibious Marine Expeditionary Force. | ||
| to do direct interdiction with the cartels. | ||
| You know who's taking that seriously? | ||
| Maduro, who has now ordered up 15,000 troops to go to the Venezuelan border. | ||
| Anyway, short commercial break. | ||
| Minstrel Boy from Black Hawk Down will take us out this morning. | ||
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This is Lindy Somek, who is from the Saginaw Ojibwe Nation, and she's going to deliver our land acknowledgement today. | |
| Wendy. | ||
| Boujoo! | ||
| Lindy Somek, Ninh Digital Cause, Amic Dotum, Saginaw Chippewa Dojaba, Anishinaabe Kwei and Dao. | ||
| Good morning, DNC members, friends and relatives. | ||
| Let's talk about the land for a second. | ||
| The DNC acknowledges and honors the Dakota Oyamaate, the Dakota people, who are the original stewards of the lands and waters of Minneapolis. | ||
| The Dakota cared for the lands, lakes, and the Wapatanka, the Great River, the Mississippi River, for thousands of years before colonization. | ||
| This land was not claimed or traded. | ||
| It is part of a history of broken treaties and promises, and in many ways we still live in a system built to suppress indigenous peoples' cultural and spiritual history. | ||
| We're going to get along well with China. | ||
| I hear so many stories about we're not going to allow their students, we're not going to allow their students to come in. | ||
| We're going to allow it's very important, six hundred thousand students. | ||
| It's very important. | ||
| With all due respect, how is allowing 600,000 students from the communist country of China putting America first? | ||
| Well, the president's point of view is that what would happen if you didn't have those 600,000 students is that you'd empty them from the top, all the students would go up to better schools, and the bottom 15% of universities and colleges would go out of business in America. | ||
| So his view is he is taking a rational economic view, which is classic Donald Trump looking at higher education and saying, but why are you doing that? | ||
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But why are you doing that? | |
| Until we modify that? | ||
| That's just what's happening. | ||
| I mean, you're helping Harvard and UCLA and UCal Berkeley. | ||
| And I mean, you're all helping those schools. | ||
| Why? | ||
| They're like, you know, basically factories of anti American propaganda. | ||
| Now they're getting a big influx of cash because of the Chinese students. | ||
| I mean, I know President Trump has always been very pro-Chinese student. | ||
| I just don't understand it. | ||
| For the life of me, those are six hundred thousand spots that American kids won't get. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you what I'm involved. | ||
| I'm involved in changing the H one B program, right? | ||
| We're going to change that program. | ||
| Because that's terrible, right? | ||
| We're going to change the green card. | ||
| You know, we give green cards. | ||
| The average American makes $75,000 a year and the average green card recipient $66,000. | ||
| So we're taking the bottom quartile. | ||
| Like why are we doing that? | ||
| That's why Donald Trump is going to change it. | ||
| That's the gold card that's coming. | ||
| And that's where we're going to start picking the best people to come into this country. | ||
| It's time for that to change. | ||
| I think we, our American engineering students, need to be given the first role at every job. | ||
| And I think they're brilliant when given half a chance. | ||
| I mean, there's so much there to unpack. | ||
| Let's go back to, as Mo informs me, there's 40,000, I think there's 40,000 suicides, documented suicides on top of the casualties of the PTSD of the volunteer force. | ||
| Think about the sacrifice of these two generations now that have fought this war, or fought these wars, and are still being looked at to go into harm's way in the future. | ||
| Huge fight over in Europe right now about the security guarantees. | ||
| We told you repeatedly that the Europeans wouldn't step up to the plate, right? | ||
| They don't really have armies. | ||
| is that they've been putting their money into social programs for decades and decades and decades as the same people that came up with the wars of choice in Iraq and Afghanistan essentially underwrote the European elites to get political pressure off them from having to make those tough decisions between guns and butter. | ||
| This is why this NDA right now, I'll get more into this later this week, and we shouldn't pass it. | ||
| We shouldn't pass it. | ||
| You want to stop the madness of spending? | ||
| Let's just go to the heart of it. | ||
| And I am far from being a dove or a isolationist. | ||
| But I'm a realist. | ||
| Right there, Howard's talking, there's 55 million immigrants in the country on different visas. | ||
| And I don't want Howard Lutnick, who's a sales guy, you're not going to sell me on this. | ||
| You're not going to sell us on this. | ||
| Don't sit there and say, first off, the response to the 600,000 Chinese was kind of mind-bendingly ridiculous. | ||
| Can you imagine this guy as Secretary of the Treasury? | ||
| Remember, that was Elmo's, that was Elon's boy. | ||
| He wanted that guy to be Secretary of Treasury. | ||
| Of course, we pushed our own contributor, Scott Bessant. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because Scott's a safe pair of hands and will look you in the eye and into the camera and tell you what's going on and not try to spin you. | ||
| And do we agree with 1,000% what's happening at Treasury? | ||
| No, but Scott Bessant is an honest broker and going to tell you what's going on. | ||
| With Lutnik, grab your wallet because you're always being sold something, right? | ||
| He comes across as a bond salesman. | ||
| Bond salesman. | ||
| Bond salesman from a bucket shop. | ||
| The response in the 600,000 is ridiculous. | ||
| Particularly the New York Times has an incredible article up. | ||
| The New York Times. | ||
| I'll put that up after the show. | ||
| The New York Times has an amazing article of investigative reporting of how, wait for it, the Chinese Communist Party has infiltrated into New York City and has a major role in local elections in New York City. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| What did Miles Guo tell you? | ||
| What would we be telling you for years and years and years and years? | ||
| The mail-in ballots. | ||
| nationwide are because of the CCP. | ||
| The 55 million foreign-born people here on these v. | ||
| And I am not anti-immigration. | ||
| I am anti-insane policies against American citizens, full stop. | ||
| And I don't think the solution here is a gold card where we're selling American citizenship for $5 million. | ||
| Here's what I think we ought to do, and not have Howard Lutnick work around the edges on the H1B visas. | ||
| It's simple. | ||
| The H1B visa program is a total scam. | ||
| The H1B visa is to take the job of those 13 young people that died in defense of their country. | ||
| at Abbey Gate in Kabul, Afghanistan on the 26th of August of 2021, it was to take their job when they got home. | ||
| Well, Steve, how can you say that's So cruel. | ||
| How can you say that? | ||
| Because that's the purpose of it. | ||
| Look at the scandal they just had at Walmart, where some guy's getting $30,000 a day to scam the H1B visa program. | ||
| All the visa programs are scams. | ||
| Let me repeat this. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| You want to take care of your affordability issues in your cities with your homes and have family formation happening earlier because kids can buy homes and get a partner and get married and have a couple of three kids, right? | ||
| And rejuvenate this country. | ||
| You want to do that? | ||
| And have people buy into the system because now they have a stake. | ||
| What do I call when I talk about home title lock, that title? | ||
| Every dream you've had is in that home, right? | ||
| What about doing that? | ||
| Let's take the 55 main and say, hey, this is very simple. | ||
| We're going to cut out half of it. | ||
| Oh, you can't do that. | ||
| It'd be terrible. | ||
| Yeah, the Wall Street guys are going to say that it's going to be awful. | ||
| It's not going to be awful for American citizens. | ||
| Opportunities are increasing. | ||
| How about instead of having., there should be no foreign students here for the moment. | ||
| I'm not saying in perpetuity, but for the moment. | ||
| Until we get our hands around this, eliminate the H1B visas immediately. | ||
| Don't work around their edges. | ||
| It's all a scam. | ||
| It's all to drive down wages. | ||
| It's not to get the Einsteins here. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| If you're going to come back and try to pitch it, talk to us like adults. | ||
| And talk to us on adults on the bottom, I don't know, 10% that we're going to take, you know, they're going to take all the kids are immediately going to go to Harvard. | ||
| Well, hey, isn't that a benefit? | ||
| In the bottom 10% of the schools, then they've got to figure it out. | ||
| They've got to figure it out. | ||
| That's not what will happen. | ||
| And any foreign student that does come here ought to have an exit visa stapled to his or her diploma to leave immediately. | ||
| Give them 30 days. | ||
| We're either going to make this about the American citizen and make the centerpiece, the American family and American citizens that populate that family, or we're not. | ||
| And that's why I think 26 August as we go forward and you think about those 13 kids and you think about what they were told. | ||
| and what they sacrificed and What's the deal that they had waiting for them when they came back? | ||
| What's the deal? | ||
| You served your country in a foreign land in some some god-forsaken hell hole and what's your deal when you come back? | ||
| Oh, homelessness and a VA that doesn't work and suicide, PTSD and no job. | ||
| We have 12 million tech workers, qualified people that did everything they were supposed to do from their little kids. | ||
| Not guys like me and other people that kind of, hey, mailed it in on occasion in... | ||
| I'm talking about the people that grinded and had these technical degrees, right? | ||
| I went to a land-grate university school that had a big engineering program. | ||
| They started off because everybody showed up. | ||
| They all wanted to be engineers. | ||
| And they had five hour calculus at 8 o'clock in the morning on those cold winter mornings to kind of weed out. | ||
| who the ribbon clerks were and who the serious people were and they weeded them out fast well it's the people that stuck with the program that now are unemployed or or underemployed, not getting paid for what their real value is. | ||
| We're going to lose this country unless we address this. | ||
| And yes, some economic interests that now are in control of this country are not going to like it. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| They're going to sit there and go, no, but I can get people cheaper and I can get them to work 100 hours a week and live 10 to a condo in Silicon Valley. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| We're going to turn to wars and the rumor of war next in the War Room. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| Okay, welcome... | ||
| Welcome back as we commemorate, as we always do, the Abby Gate disaster and thirteen heroes. | ||
| They gave their life in defense of their country and what the reality is of this country that they were going to come back to. | ||
| Because that's the generation we're stealing from. | ||
| Yeah, we're stealing from it. | ||
| We've allowed corporate interest and corporate interest that is not all the time American to kind of set the rules of the game here. | ||
| It's time that's got to be stopped. | ||
| And we don't need changes on the margin to the visas. | ||
| We don't need, right now, there's such a scam. | ||
| It's so complicated. | ||
| It just, let's be simple. | ||
| Full stop. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Start shipping people out of here and open up those opportunities for Americans. | ||
| And I keep giving the challenge. | ||
| Show me one. | ||
| You had millions of these H1B visa holders. | ||
| Show me one. | ||
| Give me one. | ||
| One that has an educational end or experience level that cannot be replaced by an American for the billet they're in. | ||
| I put this challenge out and somebody in Silicon Valley did contact me one time and they came up with one that was potential, some guy coming out of France that had some very particular thing. | ||
| But then when you spent 10 minutes with it, you realize, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| There was a very specialized thing, but he's totally replacing an American that can fit into that billet. | ||
| While it's not a lot we can do about Afghanistan or Iraq except for accountability, which we have not had and accountability goes a long way to honoring the dead in Section 60 of Arlington National Cemetery to show them that your life had some meaning and we will hold people accountable that got us into these debacles and we will not honor them and give them prestige and big jobs and put them on TV all the time and | ||
| give them honorary degrees and just let them go on like nothing happened no If you do that, you're not going to have a country. | ||
| What we can do for we the living and for these young kids coming up is make sure that this does not happen again. | ||
| And that is why we've been so adamant about Ukraine from the very eve of the war. | ||
| And yes, we have been 1,000% correct on Ukraine from the beginning. | ||
| Full stop. | ||
| Every aspect of it. | ||
| We told you what was going to happen. | ||
| We told you how it was going to happen. | ||
| We told you who was going to be asked to pay for it. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| And we are where we are. | ||
| And you had that President Trump exposed it last week when he had them all here. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And it all went back. | ||
| All went back. | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| You know, they got, you know, they're not going to pop any troops. | ||
| Nobody's going to get the line of contact.ct they're not going to put up any real money today they're talking about a big deal Zelensky is working on a billion dollars a month from the Europeans a billion dollars a month they consider that a big deal was it 350 billion dollars we put into this fiasco including paying for their teachers and nurses pension funds you got a pension how's that pension how you sitting on that good pension is that pension working out for you how's that going Young people in your 20s and 30s, how's that pension? | ||
| Pension good? | ||
| You come from that pension plan? | ||
| You're going to work hard and get that pension? | ||
| No, you don't have a pension. | ||
| Not going to have a pension. | ||
| They got them in Ukraine, though, on your money. | ||
| Europeans, big shots, the European elites, what they're doing is they're going to pop a billion dollars a month to buy American arms. | ||
| That's where a billion dollars a month. | ||
| And look, the Russians, I don't know, they're fighting the war the same way they fought it in World War II. | ||
| Just grind it out. | ||
| And their casual rates, they could care less. | ||
| And now we know from sources, right? | ||
| that and President Trump has been implying this the entire time is 1.7 million Ukrainians dead and wounded. | ||
| This is why 625,000 this year. | ||
| You notice you don't see a lot of remember back in the beginning when msnbc and cnm were at the front line and they were giving you footage and they were giving you war you know they were being war correspondents out everyone was edward r murrow right you don't see any of that anymore you haven't seen that in 2025 you know why because they're getting crushed they're getting crushed 625 000 people dead and the Ukrainians are livid about it. | ||
| That's why there's no elections. | ||
| And that's why this thing's totally sorted. | ||
| Zelensky is going to go, I don't know, to the Gulf Emirates or UAE or somewhere and hide out. | ||
| The way we can avoid this is not to be sucked into any more of them. | ||
| And this audience had a heroic effort during the first part of this Persian War. | ||
| And that was we went absolutely nuts and you worked the phones and you let people know, no, we're not going to get sucked in here to a regime change war. | ||
| We've already done that in Iraq, already did that in Afghanistan. | ||
| You saw how it worked out. | ||
| Not going to do that. | ||
| And President Trump came up with a solution. | ||
| An expeditionary force of submarines with Tomahawk missiles and, of course, the amazing strategic bombing we have. | ||
| to, and I quote him, total obliteration of their nuclear enhancement program, of which, as I said on the show over and over again, there was no urgency to it that was a total and complete lie of Benjamin Netanyahu and his government a bald-faced lie to keep him in power but that we stopped the regime change as much as they want it because now Netanyahu's given an interview saying hey there's guys over there saying we want a regime change war I | ||
| don't know what they're thinking dude we can cut tape and play it non-stop for hours of you arguing for that and pushing for it non-stop Well, it's coming and we got to get in front of it and we got to stop it. | ||
| I've got two great guests. | ||
| Trita Parsi joins me, works with my brother Kurt Mills and the team. | ||
| Trita, you've had a, and I haven't had a chance to get you up because we had so many live things with the White House, but you've got an amazing piece. | ||
| I think it's up in foreign policy. | ||
| The coming Iranian war in mid-September and how we can avoid it. | ||
| Walk me through first of all. | ||
| People are going to say, well, hang on. | ||
| What is Trita talking about? | ||
| What are Bannon talking about? | ||
| These guys are anti-Israel. | ||
| They're isolationists. | ||
| They're pacifists. | ||
| That war is over. | ||
| President Trump named it the 12-day war. | ||
| It's done. | ||
| Why are these, why are you guys trying to be troublemakers and bring this back up, sir? | ||
| Thanks for having me on, Steve. | ||
| And thanks for all the efforts you did to make sure that that war was stopped. | ||
| Look, the big calculation in all this was not centered on the nuclear program. | ||
| So Trump saying that it was obliterated does not satisfy what the Israelis were looking for, as you pointed out. | ||
| They wanted regime change, but they wanted more than that. | ||
| The ultimate objective they had three objectives. | ||
| The first was to finally get the US into a war with Iran. | ||
| They had tried for twenty years in that sense, at least partially, they succeeded. | ||
| They wanted to have regime collapse. | ||
| They were quite successful in the beginning, but rather quickly the Iranians managed to replace all of the generals, et cetera, that had been killed by the Israelis in the first 24 hours of the war. | ||
| And then they started firing back and the Israelis took a lot of hits. | ||
| But the most important thing was to degrade Iran to the point in which Israel would turn Iran into the next Syria or Lebanon, a country that the Israelis can bomb at will, with impunity, without US involvement. | ||
| That didn't succeed. | ||
| But having started this, the Israelis now are under their own pressure to finish it. | ||
| And do so before the Iranians rebuild their air defense systems, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| And as a result, I do think that it's quite likely that before December, at least, the Israelis will re strike again and will try everything in their power again to drag the US into that war. | ||
| And ultimately, it's about domination in the Middle East. | ||
| And we have to ask ourselves, is the Middle East that important to the United States any longer? | ||
| And if it isn't, does it really matter to us who is the top dog in the Middle East? | ||
| Is that our fight or not? | ||
| Let me go back. | ||
| When you say under pressure, they've got their plateful. | ||
| I mean, the interesting thing I find when you look at Israel and study it today is the IDF. | ||
| I mean, the actual people that have to fight these wars are there, there's a huge. | ||
| schism between the politicians, the politicians in Netanyahu's government and the IDF about exactly what the plan is and the first order of business, which is let's get this thing sorted in Gaza, right? | ||
| And particularly taking on the dead enders, I don't know, the 20,000 Hamas Muslim Brotherhood combatants that are still dug in there. | ||
| And also, and then post that, how do you occupy it? | ||
| What do you do with it? | ||
| That is overwhelming. | ||
| Today, there's going to be another set of huge demonstrations in Israel as the country is kind of torn apart about its direction. | ||
| How can they possibly be considering another front when they're still you know, you're still they're still dealing with Hezbollah. | ||
| They're still working on their Northern front. | ||
| But this thing in Gaza is so overwhelming that even the IDF, which just kind of has this legendary reputation, has been at this for what, two years without a solution, sir. | ||
| I think that's a great point, but here's the missing piece of that, Steve. | ||
| The equation changes dramatically if the United States is paying for that war. | ||
| You're quite right. | ||
| Faced with all these challenges and clear divisions in Israel about what to do with Gaza, why would they want another front? | ||
| Well, if someone else is paying for that war. | ||
| war, then that's a very different question. | ||
| And this is what the Israelis have been seeking to do to try to make sure that they drag the US into that war. | ||
| Moreover, I think we should also be clear, precisely because this is so divisive inside Israel right now, the question of Gaza, Iran is actually a political benefit for Netanyahu. | ||
| There was quite strong support for his war with Iran inside Israeli society, even among those who are dead set against Netanyahu. | ||
| So he didn't get necessarily a longstanding bump in the polls because of it, but he did get a reprieve in the sense that the population by and large were in support of it. | ||
| So precisely because Gaza has become such an infested problem for them domestically, shifting towards Iran actually makes political sense for Netanyahu. | ||
| What is the case of the opposition? | ||
| I mean, they're in war, regardless, and they still haven't had a commission. | ||
| We still don't know how October 7 happened. | ||
| I think there's all kinds of unsettling questions you have to ask about how that even came about. | ||
| But since they haven't done that, what is the opposition saying about Netanyahu inside the country? | ||
| I mean, what is there what better idea they have than what he has is that, hey, we have to clear this out. | ||
| I know we have the hasias. | ||
| I'm trying to negotiate, but we have to take care of this because it's a ticking time bomb inside the country. | ||
| What's the opposition to Netanyahu say right now? | ||
| There's a variety of voices, but what you hear from the Israeli military is that there are no military objectives in Gaza at this point. | ||
| This is just a slaughter that is taking place while completely destroying Israel's standing internationally. | ||
| There are no major military objectives to be gained. | ||
| Rather, this is something that Netanyahu wants to keep going because once the war ends, he's going to be facing tremendous amount of political problems at home, including a potential prison sentence. | ||
| This is also where Iran comes in. | ||
| If he manages to create some other form of a forever war with Iran in the midst of all this, then perhaps he doesn't need Gaza because he has another war that will keep him in office. | ||
| So you hear this from a lot of different areas within Israeli society. | ||
| It's not as if that is a highly contended argument, it's the question is how do you get out of this situation in which Netanyahu manages to just stay in power by continuing these wars? | ||
| What about the dead enders? | ||
| You do have a couple of brigades, at least, of Hamas fighters that have not been eradicated. | ||
| When you say strategic, I mean Gaza City is an objective.tive, right? | ||
| And it's it's not like in Ukraine where it's a moving front. | ||
| But isn't it like Fallujah that you're down to the dead enders right now and, you know, as that's what made Fallujah so awful. | ||
| At some point in time, if you want to take care of it, somebody's got to go in and somebody's got to go door to door and kick in that door, sir. | ||
| We got thirty seconds here. | ||
| I'm going to hold you through it. | ||
| But isn't that one of the rubs of it that they've got to go in and get the Muslim Brotherhood fighters out? | ||
| Well, the bottom line is after two years of doing all this and destroying all of Gaza, they have not managed to do this if they actually still exist. | ||
| And we frankly don't know quite yet whether that is the case or not. | ||
| Whether that's the case or not. | ||
| But to just continue in this manner doesn't look like it's aimed at targeting Hamas. | ||
| It looks increasingly, and they're saying it publicly, it looks like an annexation of Gaza, which is a completely different proposition. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| Trito, appreciate you being on this morning. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| to come back to the wars and rumors of war in the war room. | ||
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| Atrita, what's going to be the trigger? | ||
| If you say this is going to happen sometime this fall, what is going to be the trigger and is going to be done for political reasons, domestic political reasons? | ||
| What do you believe the trigger event will be that we should be on the outlook for, sir? | ||
| I don't think it necessarily will be a trigger. | ||
| It will be whether the Israelis reach readiness to do this, meaning that they have replenished their stockpile of interceptors. | ||
| There is a political opening in Washington for them to push this through. | ||
| There could be triggers. | ||
| For instance, there may be a snapback decision at the UN. | ||
| The Europeans may trigger this next week, which would snap back all of the pre-election. | ||
| If they were to reapply all of the previous UN sanctions on Iran, that could potentially be a political lubricant, but I would say that that is a secondary factor. | ||
| The most important thing is that the Israelis are ready themselves for this second round. | ||
| I think one thing to keep in mind that is very important is that the second round is not likely to be similar to the first round. | ||
| In the first round, the Israelis took the Iranians by surprise. | ||
| They did a spectacular intelligence job inside of Iran and had plenty of people inside it. | ||
| They may be able to pull that off again. | ||
| But more importantly, the Iranians were playing the long game. | ||
| They thought it was going to be a long war. | ||
| Instead, Trump essentially ended it after twelve days. | ||
| I think the Iranians are going to try to strike at Israel as hard and as fast as possible to dispel them of the notion that Iran can be turned into a Syria or a Lebanon, that this mowing the grass strategy simply will not work. | ||
| That means that the pressure on the United States to get into that war is going to be much, much greater than it was last time around Mexico. | ||
| This is what this is my anger about this person. | ||
| First off, the sense of urgency was totally and completely made up. | ||
| That's a bald face lie, number one. | ||
| Number two, Netanyahu started something that not only couldn't finish, they didn't even conceptually have the ability to finish, like taking out the upgrade program. | ||
| Listen, it wasn't just the bombers, the strategic bombers coming. | ||
| We did 1970s and 1980s technology in Tomahawk missiles, cruise missiles from Navy submarines, 30 of them, to take out the landing. | ||
| So you needed, you know, these guys had no ability whatsoever. | ||
| What their big causabelly was about the nuclear enrichment program, they did not have a modicum of ability to do that and therefore should never start the war if they didn't have it. | ||
| They were going to depend upon the Americans from the beginning. | ||
| And Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham, when they sit up there, they're lying. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| Number Two, the more disturbing fact for the Israeli people is they didn't have the ability to stop the incoming. | ||
| We were drawn in as combatants immediately. | ||
| We sent the Aegis cruisers to the eastern Mediterranean. | ||
| We gave all these air assets. | ||
| I think we used 25% of our THAAD missiles in defense. | ||
| And I'm telling you, and I think this is why President Trump struck as quickly as he did and didn't give it two weeks. | ||
| Tel Aviv was getting hammered, hammered. | ||
| in those last couple of days before President Trump stopped the 12-day war. | ||
| I don't know if anything's fundamentally changed on that. | ||
| Let me bring Brandon Weikert in here. | ||
| Brandon, we've had you on about Ukraine, but you wrote a brilliant book, The Shadow War, about this, I guess, the animosity that the Iranians, the Persians have had with the United States. | ||
| Do you agree with Trita that we're going to be heading towards another potential conflict that could be a regime change type of conflict? | ||
| Go ahead, Brandon. | ||
| Well, we're definitely yeah, we're definitely heading towards a conflict. | ||
| And Trita, that was an excellent article you wrote. | ||
| I 100% agree with what he's saying about the timeline. | ||
| I don't know from our end if we would want to do a regime change, but I do think the risk is very high that we're going to get pulled into whatever the Israelis are getting ready to initiate. | ||
| The point about the stockpiles is very key here though. | ||
| As you know, I was on with your show last time, we were talking about depleted stockpiles. | ||
| We have not restored our own stockpiles. | ||
| And so I don't know if it will be September ish, if the conflict could begin, because I'm not convinced Israel has been able to replenish their own supplies because we haven't been able to replenish our supplies, especially now with Ukraine still going on. | ||
| And this thing with Venezuela pop off soon. | ||
| So I'm not convinced yet September, but definitely toward December, I would say Truda is absolutely on the money. | ||
| I just want to remind audiences though, we should not support any regime change war in the Middle East. | ||
| In fact, we should be trying to get out of the Middle East as quickly as possible and worry about our own hemisphere. | ||
| The problem is, though, we do need to remember the Iranian regime is not our friend. | ||
| And so we're in a bit of a bind here because you've got the Sionists on one side trying to do this mowing the grass strategy, which is not going to work. | ||
| And then you've also got Islamists on the other, which we can't rely on as able partners, which is why I argue hand off the region to the Arabs and the Israelis and let them figure it out and get us out of there and stop giving the aid that we're giving to everybody because we don't have any more aid to give. | ||
| So that's my view on this. | ||
| Can you guys hang on for a second? | ||
| We're going to take a we're going to take a short commercial break at the top of the hour. | ||
| And I think President Trump, I believe the cabinet meeting started a little late so we can get into this. | ||
| No, but Brandon, the nub of the question is we have to make sure that we can make a compelling argument that we can't get it. | ||
| This is a regime change war, which the last one was. | ||
| This was on that Friday morning when Fox News is sitting there and they're glazing President Trump and they're glazing Netanyahu and you got Lindsey Graham, you got Tom Cotton. | ||
| It's the greatest military strike in human history and the Persians are going to collapse in the next six hours. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| They want to suck us in. | ||
| It's a comedy, not just the Israelis. | ||
| The Israelis, the Netanyahu part, I'm not so sure the people opposed Netanyahu want to get into a big regime change war with the Persians. | ||
| But the Netanyahu, for political reasons, keep himself politically alive, definitely. | ||
| But don't blame it all on him. | ||
| He's got these guys here in the United States that are every bit as bad or maybe even worse because they will look you in the eyes as an American citizen and they will lie to you. | ||
| You get into a regime change war in Persia. | ||
| You're going to be there for 30 years. |
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