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Aug. 2, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4679: The Enemy We Face Is In Beijing; The White Collar Job Apocalypse
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
Mega media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Matt.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Saturday 2, August Year of Earl Lord 2025.
A lot going on in Washington, D.C. now in the Imperial Capital.
They're trying to cut a deal for the confirmations of President Trump's appointees, which are all important.
Of course, at the same time, we've had pretty explosively Laura Loomer.
And that's why I say people are critics of Laura Loomer on what she's done publicly with these nominees.
They haven't been, not nominees, both the political appointees, and I think even some permanent employees.
These haven't been close calls.
The ones she's come out with have been just, you sit there and go, how could this possibly happen?
How could these folks get in there that are associated with the deep state, very anti-mega, anti-Trump, anti-America first?
And, you know, now she's making the case that if you really, and I think it was triggered a little bit by said, hey, look, this is a feature now, not a bug.
This is not onesies, Tuesdays.
There's something deeply wrong here because these are powerful people in powerful positions, and these are not close calls.
And so her theory, the case, which I support, and I've said this on the show many, many times, the three most important institutions in the imperial capital are in order, the CIA, the Federal Reserve, and CENCOM, right?
And so, you know, you're going to have to go and you're going to have to take those apart kind of brick by brick.
When I say CENTCOM, I don't want to lessen America's military strength, but it has way too big a footprint for the enemy we face.
The enemy we face is in Beijing, okay?
The enemy in the United States, the existential threat to the United States is not in Tehran, right?
It's not in Jordan.
It's not in Gaza.
The Muslim Brotherhood is a huge problem, and the Muslim Brotherhood should be eradicated and has to be eradicated.
And I've been led the effort to make it a terrorist organization.
But the Muslim Brotherhood is financed at a cutter, right?
So you can't have it both ways.
And you have to get to the bottom of that.
But the situation in Gaza right now is being driven by the domestic politics of Netanyahu.
Not about taking care of business, getting the job done, finishing the job that we have advocated for for, I don't know, since 7 October happened, which has still never been actually gotten to the bottom of how that did happen.
Just asking for a friend.
Now we have the situation in Ukraine worsens every day, and we are inexorably getting drawn into a conflict there.
And we get all that.
We're going to get more information on all this in the rest of this hour.
The show is absolutely packed.
And Eli Crane's going to join us.
A couple, three other folks as we go through some pretty big issues here.
But I want to, Trevor Comstock, you had a landmark day yesterday.
I want to get you a chance today for the reason is you guys at Sacred Human have a very distinct way that you look at the world.
And you put out very few products, very few different products, because you take a long time, years to think them through, to test them, because you've got very high standards.
You don't want any, you know, unnatural stuff in here.
You guys really go out of your way to make sure these are very basic but powerful products, but that it's not the typical stuff that you see sold in so many other places.
And you've clearly had a big hit with this new product you put out yesterday.
Can you tell the audience about it?
I want to make sure everybody in the warm gets a chance before this sells out, which I think could happen very quickly.
trevor comstock
Yeah, I appreciate it, Steve.
And very well said.
So yeah, I wanted to come on yesterday, as you mentioned, I launched or talked about the launch of our new product, which is our whip tallow and Manuka honey moisturizer.
So it did sell out.
But the good news is that I got about five hours of sleep last night.
I was on the phone and sending emails with our supplier and manufacturer in Idaho.
And he's working overtime to essentially order more bottles, labels, and he has a team that handmakes everything, by the way.
So to your point, again, it is kind of a long process to actually fill the jars and get it ready to ship.
But he's working overtime with his team to make sure that we don't have to take it off the shelf on our website.
So it is live, we're good.
And for anyone that hasn't heard about the product, again, it's really amazing for skin.
It's just the two ingredients that contain the grass-fed and grass-finished beef tallow and then the ramanuka honey whipped into like a smooth texture that you can apply directly on your face, your body, your hands, or wherever you may have dry skin.
The beef tallows has essential nutrients like vitamin A, D, E, and K, which again, are essential to keep your skin healthy and radiant.
And then the Ramanuka honey is great for antibacterial, anti-inflammatory, and it's just a healthy remedy in general.
So again, there's a ton of information too.
If you just go to the websites, which is sacredhumanhealth.com.
And if you click on the product page of the tallow, you'll see a rundown of all the different benefits.
And then again, we stack it up against like your common moisturizers that you'll find in like Walgreens or on Amazon or anywhere for that matter.
But the only issue with those, you know, they may be effective, but they still usually contain like alcoholish fragrances, a lot of synthetic ingredients that really aren't great for your skin and can sometimes damage your skin.
So again, we exclude all of that junk.
And our manufacturer, our supplier, I should say, is amazing.
He's been doing it for years.
He's been handcrafting these tallows.
So we're super excited.
And he's doing a great job so far.
steve bannon
Feedback is tremendous.
One more time.
Where do they go to the website?
I want them to look at the reviews.
The Warren Posse, just like Warpath Coffee, overwhelming support.
People are happy with these products, love them, and reorder them.
Where do people go one more time, sir?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
trevor comstock
You can go to sacredhumanhealth.com or type in sacred human at Google.
You can also use code Warroom.
So, of course, it is selling fast, but rest assured, our team is working overtime to make sure that we don't have to take it off the shelf.
So, it shouldn't go out of stock at this point.
If it does, for whatever reason, we'll be back up soon.
But, yeah, thank you for the support.
unidentified
We really appreciate it, Warren Posse.
steve bannon
No, people love it.
Thank you, Trevor.
Great.
Great young company.
Sacred Human Health, Trevor Comstock, the founder and CEO.
Ben Harmworn joins us from Rome.
If people haven't noticed, we're getting drawn into this Ukraine thing as we warned quite rapidly.
And President Trump just wants to bring peace, and we're going to have this whole situation with new sanctions on Russia, and I think new sanctions on the Chinese Communist Party, if I understand the secondary sanctions.
But this gets back to what Laura Loomer said today, very bluntly, about what you should think about when you're having your cup of coffee.
And that is the President of the United States and Tulsi Gabber and other people in the administration have charged treasonous conspiracy against just not a former commander-in-chief, but a former Secretary of State and a Democratic nominee for president, also of many of the most senior people in the intelligence and defense community for many, many decades, particularly John Brennan.
And one of the centerpieces of this issue was Ukraine, right?
Remember, President Trump was impeached over Ukraine.
The perfect phone call.
They looked to Ukraine.
You look at the laptop from hell, and I handled the CCP part of that, which was, you know, it was just massive of the Biden's corruption with the Chinese Communist Party and taking money and making deals.
But Rudy handled the, and John Solomon, those guys handled the Ukraine thing, which is rife with corruption.
And now you're having fistfights in the Ukrainian parliament because the citizens there want to want the commission for corruption.
They want to know how much Zelensky's stealing, just like we want to know.
So this thing's coming unraveled at the exact same moment.
President Trump's putting out casualty reports that are, and he said, hey, I'm getting these from intelligence sources.
Here they are.
And they're pretty brutal.
Last night, the Russians, the night before, I think, had a kamikaze drone attack onto Kiev that was absolutely brutal.
Well, the Ukrainians hit back with a pretty massive assault inside of Russian territory with their drones last night.
This thing, you know, as we go down the path, and we have to, we have to hold accountable everybody in the deep state that tried to terminate President Trump's presidency.
It has to happen.
We owe that to the American people.
We owe it to the Republic.
We owe it to history.
We owe it going forward.
We have to stick the landing on that.
And that's why we're so adamant about, hey, you got a strike for us.
Let's name some names of who's on it, who's heading it, who's the leadership, and let's move with urgency.
One of the reasons is that the situation in Ukraine, which is kind of the other side of that coin, is spinning out of control.
Ben Harnwell, you join us now, your assessment from Rome.
ben harnwell
Well, Steve, there are a couple of big things over the last 48 hours in Ukraine, in Russia, Ukraine.
Let's hit the Russia side first.
Or to hit the Ukraine side first, they've launched another long-distance drone strike inside Russia like they did when they hit Estavropol last week.
Thank God they haven't used any of the promised, the long-range ballistic weapons that President Trump has promised that the U.S. manufactured long-range ballistic weapons, missiles to be provided via NATO.
This appears to be like last week, a long-range drone attack with drones manufactured by Ukraine.
So that's on the Ukraine side.
Really, the developments are on the Russian side.
Now, on the 31st of July, the former president and therefore obviously great ally of President Putin, Dmitry Medvedev, pushed out a statement pushing against President Trump's 10 to 12 day limit on ending the war before these threatened secondary sanctions come into play, which will work out to be around the rap next weekend.
He opposed that, but he also reminded the world that the Russians still have this Soviet-era dead hand system of self-defense, which is that even if the Russian political infrastructure is wiped out, there will be an automatic nuclear response against the United States.
Against that backdrop within the last 24 hours, President Trump responded by announcing that two nuclear submarines have been moved to an unspecified area, presumably in Russian territory.
Now, to zoom out one moment, that is, that is what we, you know, the sort of action that we've absolutely been warning against since President Trump won the election in November.
And even before he was inaugurated, we said, you know, he's really got to distance the United States from this war before he gets dragged in to this escalatory tit-for-tap pattern, which is now unequivocally clear the case.
So that's one thing to say, Steve.
The other thing to say is to say, zooming out ever so slightly, the whole point about the, you know, we don't know what class of nuclear submarines these might be, potentially even the higher class, which are the sort of super stealth nuclear submarines.
We don't know what type they are.
But the whole point about these nuclear submarines is that no one knows where they are unless you say so.
So I would suggest to the Warren Positive on this point that it's likely the United States had nuclear submarines over there since the beginning of the Russian war on a just-in-case basis, as is most likely, most probable the case that Russia has also had some of its own nuclear submarines floating around in American waters.
What's what's being called sort of rhetoric escalation here is the fact that President Trump has said, I am now sending these basically nuclear submarines over into Russian waters.
And that is obviously a throwdown to President Trump in this remaining eight day, seven day period on the negotiations.
unidentified
As I say before, these secondary tariffs come in.
steve bannon
Yeah, he's saying this because he's warning.
He's doing the same thing in Brazil.
It's a different scale, but he's warning senior Russian officials of what he calls loose talk.
His point is that he thought the president there was implying that they were going to be reallocating their nuclear, repositioning some of their nuclear assets, right?
Hang on for a second, Ben.
We're going to come back and we're a little jammed here on a Saturday morning, but that's what you expect on my favorite show of the week.
We've got a lot to go through and a lot of folks to talk to and get information so that you guys control it over the weekend.
I want to thank Birch Gold.
I think now more than ever, understand why gold has been a hedge against times of financial turbulence.
Yesterday, they really came after President Trump hard.
We have warned about, warned about, warned about since the beginning the situation with the Bureau of Labor Statistics that every month in Biden's administration, you get this rosy picture, and then they would the next month recast two or three months and back with a big downward.
It was clearly, obviously, political.
As I said, people couldn't make that type of mistake over and over again.
Well, he terminated the head of Bureau of Labor Statistics yesterday, which we think is a good move and we fully support.
But one of the reasons is that is with artificial intelligence, and Joe Allen's going to join us, artificial intelligence starting to rip.
You have to ask the question, are the white-collar jobs apocalypse going to come?
Find out.
Go to Birch Gold today.
Talk to Philip Patrick in the team.
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Okay, we're going to get to Eli Crane and Joe Allen in a moment.
Ben Harnwell is still with us from Rome.
Ben, continue.
What should people be smart about looking for these positionings of the, and when he says nuclear, we assume that those are ballistic missile submarines.
The pre-positioning is always concerning, particularly when it is in Soviet military doctrine about the use of tactical nuclear weapons in battlefield situations.
So this is, folks, this is one you can't mess around with.
Your assessment, given they're having fistfights in the Ukrainian assembly, I mean, where do we stand with this entire mess, sir?
ben harnwell
Well, Steve, you asked what are the things to look out for?
And let me name two things, right?
On the Ukrainian side, on the Russian side.
The first side, let's carry on with what we're saying about Russia.
Let's see what Putin's response is.
I would be like 70, 80% certain that within the next few days, he's going to parallel what POTUS has done.
I don't believe he's going to escalate beyond that, but I think he will say, well, we have a couple of nuclear missiles now floating around off the, I don't know, off the east coast of America.
And he'll leave it at that.
He'll watch what President Trump has done and he will leave it that.
I don't think he's going to go beyond that.
But that's where we are.
This is what's called rhetoric escalation as opposed to military escalation.
But that is not to say it's not extremely important because, you know, when both sides are sort of acting like almost by pride and or for fear of showing weakness on the world stage, that can turn military or kinetic extremely closely.
So the first thing to watch out for, how is President Putin going to respond?
Bearing in mind, let's not be naive about this.
Both sides would have been pretty certain that the other side already had nuclear submarines off their own coastlines anyway.
But now it's sort of been made public and therefore it's a throwdown and therefore there's going to be necessary a type of response.
First thing.
Second thing, let's go back to these long-distance drone attacks over the last 48 hours launched from Ukraine deep into Russia.
Steve, let me flag up these distances.
Okay.
The Novokhevsk oil refinery is 560 miles inside the Russian border.
Okay.
And the industrial plant in Penza, 648 miles.
We flagged it.
I think Moscow, we said on the show a week or so ago, it's like 280 miles.
These are massively beyond Moscow.
The question is, President Trump didn't specify what sort of offensive missile, long-distance missiles he's going to be providing at European taxpayers' expense via NATO.
But one would assume we're talking something like attacks or something.
What is the need for these missiles, American-made missiles to be provided to Ukraine when it is absolutely clear from what Ukraine is already achieving via its long-distance drones?
It doesn't need them.
The only reason, and we've said this constantly, is because President Zelensky is desperately trying to drag the United States into this war so that he has a chance to continue.
And that's the backdrop, Steve, I would suggest between reading what's going on, the danger behind President Trump raising the stakes and announcing that he's going to send these two nuclear missiles to Russian waters.
steve bannon
Lavrov's put out a put out a statement with a bunch of points in it.
On Monday, we'll have you break that down.
But it looks like the Russians are saying, hey, we've got to continue forward with these talks and the talks are having some progress.
So we'll have you break down Lavrovs on Monday.
Ben Harnwell, where do people go in the interim for your social media?
ben harnwell
Thanks, Steve.
Exclusively on Get.
I put out my analysis under the profile of my surname, which is Harnwell.
On the Lavrov points, he's made some very substantial and serious points that have taken the United States position extremely seriously.
But I would suggest that they need to be interpreted within the context of what President Putin himself said yesterday, which is that he has the military advantage and there's going to be no, there's going to be no ceasefire between now and President Trump's deadline of next weekend.
So those two things I think need to be read in the same light.
Thanks, Steve.
God bless.
Have a great weekend.
steve bannon
Okay, we'll see you on Monday.
Great work.
Taj Gil, Laura Loomer said when the Warren Posse drinks their coffee this morning, she wants them to contemplate why Brennan is on President Trump's shortlist for high treason.
Yet at the same time, he's getting all his selections into DOD, CIA, NSA, etc.
Can you provide the coffee?
What coffee should we be drinking as we contemplate this very important topic for the nation and for President Trump's administration, sir?
tej gill
Absolutely.
We can definitely provide the coffee, Steve.
It is warpath.coffee, and it is the best coffee out there.
The warroom posse loves it.
We sold out like a bunch of different roasts last week.
unidentified
We were roasting all week for roasting at the Arctic.
steve bannon
I'll talk to him.
tej gill
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We roast it on a perforated drum.
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That's why you can drink it black.
You don't need milk.
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This is perfectly roasted coffee.
You actually taste the coffee.
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We've got the dark roast, you know, the dark roast of the Mariner's blend.
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unidentified
And we've got 12,000 five-star reviews.
steve bannon
12,000 five-star reviews from the audience.
Here's the theory of the case with Warpath.
Coffee is supposed to be consumed black.
The taste is supposed to be one of the selling points.
Not to suppress the taste, just to get the kick, the caffeine kick.
Okay.
The whole theory in doing Warpath coffee is Taj came and we worked with him for a couple of years before they even launched was to make the champagne of coffee, coffee that you could drink black and get the real, not just the aroma, but this great taste.
And that's what Warpath has delivered.
And that's why people love it and keep going back.
So if you haven't tried it, try today.
They give you a 20% discount for being a War Room posse member.
But you get to drink coffee as it was supposed to be consumed.
Black.
Taj, that's what's so powerful.
That's why I love the espresso and the dark roast, the Mariner's blend.
It's just extraordinary.
I'm a coffee aficionado, and this is absolutely my favorite coffee.
Not even a close second.
If I can't, if I'm somewhere and can't get Warpath, I'm grumpy.
So great job.
One more time.
Where do people go?
And don't take Taj Gil's word for it and do not take Steve Bannon's word for it.
Go and read the reviews of people just like yourself that came and tried it and see about their deep love of this brand of coffee.
Where do they go, Taj?
tej gill
Warpath.coffee is the website and use promo code Warroom.
And just like you said, click on the reviews tab and read their reviews.
Those are all real reviews.
All we do is send out an email asking for customers to review the product, the coffee.
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And we have 12,000 five-star reviews.
And only 13% of our customers leave a review.
We still have that many reviews.
So just read the reviews.
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Warpath.coffee promo code.
steve bannon
Taj Gil.
We'll let you get back to work.
Another CEO entrepreneur, former gunman.
Thank you, sir.
Served his country for a couple of decades, and now he's serving the population of the world with making great coffee.
Great entrepreneur.
Thank you, Taj.
Appreciate you.
It's that time of day that we got Joe Allen.
We got a cold open.
Let's go and play it.
joe allen
The way I've been looking at this for a while now is: you know, what are these different levels?
And there are five very clear stages that AI kind of seems to be progressing towards and people responding to it, the way in which people approach it.
So the first you have is AI as a tool.
The second, AI as a teacher.
The third, the AI as companion.
The fourth, the AI as a creature, right?
A creature in its own right, an entity.
And the fifth is AI as God.
Building idols and praying to them is a very old pastime for humanity.
What's new about this is that they're creating idols that can speak back without any sort of spiritual faculty or special abilities.
Literally, they are creating idols that can speak back to you.
It's going to have a profound effect.
No, as we're all familiar with our new and rapidly changing environment, what is oftentimes thought of as a second axial age is what seems to be unfolding in front of us now, a new emergence of a new type of civilization.
And if the transhumanists are correct, a new type of humanity.
And if the post-humanists are correct, then a new species altogether, that of artificial life, artificial intelligence, robotics, so on and so forth.
steve bannon
Wow.
Joe, give me 30 seconds on this side.
That was talk about the talk about the conference you spoke at.
I'm going to have you back after the break.
joe allen
Yes, Steve, that was the AI Summit.
If you are interested, three more weeks, AIFATSUMMIT.live.
And we were just discussing the impact of artificial intelligence on the church and religious life as a whole.
The second was a lecture I gave on the axial age.
It'll actually be up on War Room's channel this afternoon.
steve bannon
Oh, fabulous.
Fabulous.
Joe Allen, former theology, master's degree in theology from Boston University, one of the most revered schools of theology in the country, and also a rigger for rock bands.
Think about that for a second.
Short commercial break, Joe Allen, Eli Crane, the congressman on the other side.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Matt.
steve bannon
Congressman Eli Crane joins us.
Joe, I'll get Joe back on in a moment.
Congressman, we've been talking about artificial intelligence.
Joe's been giving conferences, giving talks at conferences.
Are you concerned at all?
Because I know you're one of the more deeply religious and faith-based members of the House.
Are you concerned at all about artificial intelligence, parts of it, and particularly as we hurdle towards parts of it unknown, artificial general intelligence and what they're telling us now over the last 48 hours?
Everybody's going to have a buddy or some AI aide-de-camp or an AI girlfriend or companion, call it what you might.
Are you concerned here at all that we may be summoning the demon?
eli crane
Hey, thanks for having me on, Steve.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, I have many concerns about AI.
I think you could definitely view it as a technological tower of Babel and all the things that could come with it.
I'm also very worried about the economic ramifications.
As I watched your show, we've held hearings in the oversight committee on white-collar entry-level jobs that are going to disappear at a very large scale within the next one to five years.
And so, this is something that I think is pretty terrifying.
And I don't think that there's a lot of good solutions out there.
And it's being pushed largely because of the fact that we can't lose to the Chinese or anyone else when it comes to the development of AI.
And so I think there's going to be some ramifications that we're really going to have to deal with as a government and as a people.
steve bannon
We had today Laura Loomer on talking about, you know, there's still this big problem with people in the administration that are Brennan devotees or come from what I call his coaching tree.
And you had Mike Benz on.
We've had, you know, we've had all this movement inside the House and the Senate at President Trump's direction to remove funding for some of these deep state apparatuses that were used by Bernard and these guys to fund the kind of color revolutions in their globalism all over the world.
One of them is National Endowment for Democracy that Mike Benz and company have done a great job exposing.
We've actually had a move to zero it out.
Then the money mysteriously gets back in there.
I understand you're putting legislation forward to basically like Kerry Lake's doing at VO8 and like they've done at PBS, Corporation Public Broadcasting through In the TAL yesterday is shutting down.
National Endowment for Democracies ain't going away because it has so many sponsors in the imperial capital.
So talk to us about this legislation.
You're trying to put something forward that we can codify getting rid of this, correct?
eli crane
That's right, Steve.
This is really reminiscent to me of last Congress when I tried to defund U.S. AID.
You know, a large hat tip to the show, hat tip to you guys for bringing on investigative journalists and reporters like Mike Benz and Natalie Winters and so many others who do deep dives into these institutions, agencies, nonprofits, organizations, et cetera, to see what they're really doing behind the name.
And, you know, this is another institution, nonprofit that, you know, I do believe is a cutout for the CIA.
And I do believe it had a, you know, semi-virtuous origin and what it was created to do.
But like many of the agencies and institutions in Washington, especially over the last administration, it's been weaponized against the American people.
And you covered some of it in your question.
But, you know, one of the biggest concerns to me is because this is the national endowment for democracy and its job is to promote democracy.
And you've got all these Democrats running around and saying that President Trump, the MAGA movement, the America First movement, we're all a threat to democracy.
Therefore, they've used this agency to censor us and become weaponized to try and stop this populist movement because they absolutely see it as a threat.
And so one of the reasons that I put forward this legislation was to try and give these guys a haircut and hold them accountable for what they've done.
Because as you know, Steve, you know, we might not see any more of this institution carrying out the nefarious things that it's been doing under the last administration, but what's going to happen in the next administration?
And the only language that a lot of these bureaucracies and bureaucrats in Washington, D.C. speak is power and money.
And if you don't hit them where it hurts, you know, they're going to forget pretty quickly and they're going to go right back to doing what they were before.
And so I want to make sure that we hold them accountable in the pocketbook.
But I also want to put members of Congress on the record, you know, voting for or against this legislation because, you know, the War Room posse is one of the most savvy, you know, if not the most savvy, you know, base in the country.
You guys are so informed because you listen to this show and all the people that Steve brings on each and every day.
But by seeing how we vote up in Washington, D.C., not only do you Understand which of your representatives actually get it and which ones are willing to do something about it.
steve bannon
How are you?
Walk us through.
Are you also asking for rescissions packages be done for the money it's already allocated?
Are you trying to push impoundment or rescissions packaging 26?
And what's your status of this legislation?
eli crane
Yeah, well, Steve, I believe we passed two appropriations bills out of the house so far.
We'll continue that when we come back in September.
So we'll find out if this bill, you know, the Sbox bill actually comes up on the floor in September or whether they just strap the appropriations process altogether and push towards a CR.
I haven't heard the signal on that.
I think a lot of my alley allies and friends in Washington believe that there will be another CR coming up or worse.
And so we'll see if this comes to the floor or not.
I know Russ Vogue and his team are working on rescissions and impoundments for later on in the year.
And so either way, however it rolls out, however we give this nonprofit a haircut, it doesn't matter to me.
The bottom line is if we don't hold them accountable while we have the chance, they're not going to stop what they're doing.
They're not going to quit censoring the American people.
They're not going to quit viewing us as threats to democracy.
And therefore, they'll use the very platform to promote democracy, to attack us, censor us, and dismantle us.
steve bannon
Eli, where do people go?
Thank you for taking time on a Saturday.
We got so little time off with the family.
Thanks for joining us.
People have been bugging me.
We've got to get more Eli Crane on here.
Where do people keep up with you on social media?
eli crane
Rep Eli Crane is a good spot, and we could absolutely use the war room posse to reach out to their members of Congress to tell them that they, you know, you guys want their members of Congress, your members of Congress to help us defund this organization that has strayed way far away from its original mission.
steve bannon
We're going to get all on top of that starting this weekend, sir, and I look forward to seeing you in the next couple of weeks out west.
eli crane
Always, sir.
unidentified
Thanks, Clear.
steve bannon
Eli Crane, the man of few words, the Clint Eastwood of the House.
So just an extraordinary guy.
Joe Allen.
One of my concerns here is that in the last 24 or 48 hours, we've gotten real signals and messaging from Altman and from the Zuck that something is about to pop.
Are you hearing that in the community?
Because I know people have been promoting like Elon Musk, AGI, and it's a couple of years away or six years away and it could be within a year.
But this is the first time we've had these two guys focus on this issue of an AI companion, right?
That everybody's got to have AI companion.
And you just had Elon push this thing out of Grok Education, Grok for Kids.
They're obsessed with this companion.
It's going to unlock your superpowers and it's going to make you like Superman or Batman.
And you're going to have to have one.
If you don't have one, you're going to be at a massive competitive disadvantage in the modern world.
Your thoughts, sir?
joe allen
This push for AI companions, Steve, is basically the first sort of stage to get people completely dependent on these technologies.
In some cases, we're talking about children using AI companions as teachers.
In others, we're talking about presumably young adults that are basically relinquishing any chance of a true deep romantic relationship by falling in love with robots.
But as you move up that scale, I think that alongside that emotional bond, you've got that ever-present promise that the AI will be the source for information, the highest authority.
So what you see with Zuckerberg, Altman, Musk, to a lesser extent, Google, but it will undoubtedly be rolled out there, to a lesser extent, Anthropic.
The idea is once human beings have normalized the idea that these entities, these non-human entities, are trustworthy, are reliable for solid information, and will solve problems that you are now convinced that you can't solve yourself, then we're set up for basically a kind of drone-like existence.
Basically, we've become something like worker bees, although I would say worker bees probably use more of their own imaginations or cognition than the human that's spat out of whatever system they're trying to push, this sort of technodrome.
steve bannon
It's not, how do you think they're going to push this out?
I mean, you already see advertises that you need an AI companion or you need an AI assistant.
You see people in an office environment and the people that are not keeping up.
Look at the people that are like the top in the group, and later they find out the big reveal at the end of the 30-second spot is that those people are using artificial intelligence or they have an artificial, you know, imaginary friend.
When do you think the big push to roll this out comes?
joe allen
Within the next year, it's already here in some ways, but it's more muted, I think, than it will be after it's become more and more normalized.
I don't think much of any of this would be able to occur were it not for 2020 and the subsequent isolation, the widespread atomization, people becoming completely screen dependent due to either lockdowns or stay-at-home measures, working from home, e-learning, all of that.
This is absolutely the fruit of what Klaus Schwab called the great reset, or perhaps what we'll call under the current administration, the greatest reset.
This is basically the fruit of a trauma, a mass psychic trauma that left people dependent on screens and even becoming accustomed to it in a way that they enjoy it.
What I think is going to happen in the next year is we're going to get a few test Cases such as the predictions of Dario Amadei.
He says that most coders will be gone in a year.
Same with Eric Schmidt.
If that does occur, and we'll see it happening rapidly.
If that does occur, then we'll know that this promise of artificial intelligence, that the general intelligence and artificial intelligence that truly equals human capacity, maybe something like that's happening.
But we really won't know until they release the next model.
And this is happening constantly.
Sometimes it's a flop.
People like Gary Marcus are always pointing out these systems do not live up to their promises.
And I think that has to be held in mind at all times.
But as the systems do become more sophisticated, the job of the skeptic, the job of the doubter, becomes much more difficult.
It's impossible, though, to predict.
It's almost as if we were standing on a display looking at a prototype of a flying car that doesn't fly.
And we're being told the flying car is coming next year or within five years.
Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but the same sort of thing happened with the airplane and people spend their entire lives flying now.
So this is an open question, I guess is what I'm saying, Steve.
And the implications, though, are so far-reaching.
It has to be taken very, very seriously.
Because if something like that pops out the other end, humanity will be completely shaken to its core.
steve bannon
Axios, I've gotten Getter.
That's why you go to Getter.
I put up in Getter, a great story in Axios, how the boom of the jobs, the apocalypse on white collar, is going to be offset a little bit in blue collar, really for the capital expenditures.
Joe Allen, where do people go?
We got about 15 seconds.
Where do they go?
We're going to have your stuff up on our sites today.
Where they go on social media.
joe allen
At J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
And also go to the War Room Rumble channel.
Tons of great stuff there.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Matt.
steve bannon
Great news down in Texas with the vote today.
Make sure you go to Brian Harrison's Twitter, stay up to that, Laura Loomer, the situation about appointees in President Trump's administration.
She's going to be coming out with more information today.
Also, we're going to make a big push over the weekend on this recess appointment and back Monday.
So make sure you stay up on my Getter.
And with Grace, mouth-breathing imbecile MBI, and of course, Mo.
Mo is heading out with Jack Pasovic to go to Poland to be part of the inauguration of the Polish president.
So a lot to report there.
A lot going on over the weekend.
Make sure you're on Getter.
We've got so much happening in the Senate right now, of course, down the Texas House.
We still need people at the ramparts lighting folks up.
One of the things closest to President Trump's heart is prison reform.
It politically makes sense, but more importantly, it makes sense for the American people.
We've asked Walt Pavlo, a contributor over at Forbes, one of the leading experts in the country on prison and prison reform.
He just, I think, left a sentencing conference down in Orlando, I think it was.
Walt, First Step Act, President Trump monumental, huge political head to put in a lot of political capital.
I noticed when I was in prison, it's not being implemented.
You got a new team over at BOP, all handpicked by President Trump.
Can you give us a status report, sir?
walter pavlo
Sure.
You know, Steve, thanks for having me on.
There are 150,000 inmates in federal prison.
Half of those are minimum and low-security inmates, and many are eligible for the First Step Act.
And what I'll say about President Trump signing this into law in 2018 is that it won congressional support by over 80% in the House and Senate.
I don't think he's done anything that's come close to that or any president.
So there was definitely a need.
And what the First Step Act does is allows inmates to take programs and participate in productive activities to reduce their sentence by up to a year or earn credits to spend more time in the community.
And you're absolutely right, Steve.
What has happened, particularly over the last four years, was not enough to implement it.
And what we have is the same number of people in prison before COVID that are in prison today.
In fact, the population has gone up.
So the Bureau of Prisons has not done a really good job of moving people out.
And that's been a big problem.
Just implementing, some people think that the Bureau of Prisons wants to keep inmates in because that's job security.
I think it's probably just, you know government as well as anybody else.
Sometimes it's just that they just need better leadership.
And with better leadership, they've got it now.
They've got really two good people at the very top.
William Marshall came from West Virginia, the Department of Corrections there.
So an outsider from the Bureau of Prisons, new blood to come in.
And below him is Josh Smith as a deputy director, who is the first person who's actually served federal prison time, I think, close to 15 to 20 years ago on, I believe they were drug charges.
But he's turned his life around, had a very successful business, and has been working on reentry for a number of years, bringing people back and giving them opportunities.
So the main thing that's supposed to happen with this First Step Act is to save money, return people that are also better.
And these people are very low minimum risk.
They're able to have jobs.
They're able to pay restitution if they need to.
They can get back with their families.
So there are a lot of really good things associated with the law, unfortunately.
steve bannon
Well, this thing was so pretty.
It's a mathematical formula.
We only got a couple of minutes, and I want to turn to you.
Why has it not been implemented?
Is it that hard to work the algorithm to basically, because it's a mathematical formula, I think, and it should have been implemented years ago.
Why is it not implemented today, sir?
walter pavlo
You know, that's a great question.
I wish I had a better answer for you because you're right.
It's, you know, you take a class and you get like 10 days off of your sentence.
And, you know, after a while, you can actually get 15 days off your sentence.
How hard is that?
You know, I mean, you know, subtracting 10 or 15, but they've had computer problems.
They've had interpretation problems.
Because the other piece of information, Steve, that they're trying, or the other act that they're trying to add on top Is something called the Second Chance Act, also a Republican piece of legislation from back in George W. Bush days.
So I do believe that we're getting closer to a solution.
And there has been more progress made in First Step Act under this administration and in the last 90 days than there has been probably in the past four or five years.
So these guys have done already starting to turn it around.
steve bannon
There's other issues related to the prison, too.
There's having some cutback and resources.
I'm going to have you on next week.
We're going to take 20 or 30 minutes and go through this because President Trump in prison reform is a very big item for him.
Walt, where do people get you in the interim?
Social media, particularly your writings over at Forbes on this issue, sir.
walter pavlo
Yeah, just to go to Forbes.
You can Google Forbes and Walter Pavlo.
There I am.
And I'm also on X and put stuff out there.
And I'm also posting things on LinkedIn and our own website, prisonology.com.
steve bannon
Prisonology.com is the website.
Grace, let's push that.
What is the Twitter feed?
Where do people go on Twitter?
walter pavlo
At Prisonology.
steve bannon
Walt, thank you so much.
This first step back, I got to tell you, President Tump, nobody can figure out why it hadn't been implemented yet, but we'll get you on next week and go into the details.
I'll dig into a lot of excuses.
walter pavlo
Yep.
steve bannon
Okay, thank you, Steve.
We'll see you next week.
unidentified
Walt Pavlo.
steve bannon
Politically, absolutely brilliant.
You know, Jared worked with the president, but also just from a practical money, humanitarian, all of it, it's got to be implemented.
President Trump put his shoulder to the wheel on this.
If you implement it, you totally change the prison populations.
You save a ton of money and you get people back out in the community to be productive.
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