July 26, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| you you you Thank you. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
| Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. | ||
| It's that little corner of the week when we get to dig into the developments in the Catholic, Protestant, and even occasionally Orthodox spheres, bringing to you all these things that mean a lot to you, to your daily lives, your spiritual lives, but that which other news organisations tend not to touch. | ||
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| Folks, you remember last week we discussed the horror story coming out of France where a priest who had been in prison for four years for repeatedly raping a 16-year-old boy had been promoted to the number three position in the diocese. | ||
| He was made chancellor. | ||
| That's caused a lot of consternation in France. | ||
| Frank Walker will be up a little later on the show with the developments on that story. | ||
| We've also got something that will interest, especially I hope, the left, the political left of the spectrum, which likes to go on and on about the fact that Europe is so much more civilised than the United States. | ||
| Well, here's the very heart of geographical Europe, Switzerland, considered by many to be the exemplar of continental Europe. | ||
| Horror story coming out of Switzerland, where the over 85s have seen a fourfold increase in the suicide rates there. | ||
| And we'll be discussing what that might mean also for the United States as well. | ||
| I'll be talking a little later on in the show about the maneuvers in Washington State to get priests to break the seal of the confessional. | ||
| But before that, here's an astonishing story detailing how a priest who had been imprisoned inside the Vatican, in a Vatican jail, for I think four years for possessing huge amounts of pornography and specifically child pornography, | ||
| has just been reinstated in his position in the Secretariat of State, specifically the second section, which has the responsibility for the relations with the states. | ||
| Liz Yaw has the details on this. | ||
| Liz, Liz, I know you've been following this closely. | ||
| Tell me, is this as horrific as it sounds? | ||
| It has been, you know, the Vatican is showing once again how tone deaf it is, rules for the, but not for me. | ||
| I mean, it is shocking to me. | ||
| Full disclosure, my background in law enforcement was one of the things that I did was create the National Cyber Tip Line, which allows Americans and people actually around the world to report child pornography into a hotline. | ||
| And we pass on those leads to law enforcement. | ||
| We have here this Father Carlo Capella, who I remember this case very clearly in 2017. | ||
| And I will give you kind of my insight from behind the scenes, not particularly about this case, but what this case is telling me. | ||
| He was an ordained priest in the Archdiocese of Milan. | ||
| He went into the diplomatic corps, which meant that he was part of the Secretary of State's office. | ||
| And he was assigned to the most prestigious, one would argue, embassy, the U.S. Embassy, the Vatican Nunchature in Washington, D.C. This priest, Father Capella, went apparently in 2017 during a Christmas vacation to Canada. | ||
| The Canadian officials, I presume it was the Royal Mounted Police, notified law enforcement and issued a nationwide arrest warrant for this cleric on charges of possession and distribution of child pornography. | ||
| And when he was on vacation in Windsor, Ontario. | ||
| This to me is absolutely, this case is really emblematic of, we know here that there is a great, there's a great problem with child pornography in the clerical state. | ||
| In 2013, the Vatican issued new, supposedly tougher guidelines. | ||
| And so the U.S. State Department also notified the Holy See that there was this arrest warrant and asked the Holy See to waive a diplomatic immunity. | ||
| They did not, and this priest fled to Rome. | ||
| Fortunately, the Vatican charged him. | ||
| And they have a criminal court, as you know, Ben, in the Vatican, as well as a canonical court. | ||
| He was found to have more than 40 criminal images and videos, which he shared on social media. | ||
| And Liz, let me just stop you here because I need a clarification. | ||
| Occasionally, when people get investigated by the police for having dodgy images on their phone, it's something they may have received via WhatsApp or WhatsApp group. | ||
| And of course, WhatsApp stalls all the images that you receive automatically. | ||
| So anyone adept at managing a phone will be able to go in there and they'll just scan and they'll say, oh, look, there was this image there or that image there. | ||
| This isn't, I just want to, I know you said this, that we're talking about 40 images here, but this isn't a case where anyone, even giving The best will in the world can somewhat innocently say, Oh, look, I don't know who sent this to me. | ||
| You know, I told them to stop doing it or what have you. | ||
| This is not only possession of images, but as you were just saying, just underlying this point, possession and distribution, right? | ||
| There's no generous interpretation one can give to this. | ||
| This computer of this priest came to the attention of the Royal Canadian Mountain Police. | ||
| This was a computer that they were very concerned about by the, I would argue, the amount of child pornography that was on and the nature of child pornography. | ||
| You know, I won't go into details, but the videos of child pornography are so horrendous and so vile. | ||
| And, you know, the victims in these cases, we argue in law enforcement that every time these videos are shared, these children are re-victimized. | ||
| And so arguably these children are re-victimized for a lifetime, millions of times around the world. | ||
| Well, the Vatican Criminal Court convicted him. | ||
| He pled actually guilty, I believe, and he received five years and a fine. | ||
| He was allowed under, they could have given him up to 12 years. | ||
| But, you know, again, in reading this article, it was quite interesting. | ||
| When he was sitting in jail after being convicted, he had several visitors from the Secretary of State's department, and he was released. | ||
| He was not laicized. | ||
| Unlike many priests, he was not sent out to pasture like many priests who want to say the Latin Mass. | ||
| No, he was reinstated at the Secretary of State's office, the premier, highly prominent diplomatic corps in the Vatican, which to me is number one, rewarding bad behavior. | ||
| And number two, the statements coming out of the Vatican are just shocking. | ||
| They wanted to give him mercy, show mercy to him. | ||
| And, you know, let me stop. | ||
| Let me come in on this one, right? | ||
| Because this is really the issue. | ||
| And I don't want to preempt the story that Frank's going to go into in more detail later on in the show. | ||
| But have you noticed the language almost is word for word? | ||
| Because I know you've also been studying the situation of the French, I think it's Toulouse, the French Archdiocese. | ||
| Have you noticed that the language here in terms of the mercy is almost identical word for word? | ||
| Here's my question to you. | ||
| Do you think, studying these two cases specifically, that there might be some kind of Vatican secret protocol here on the rehabilitation of priests who've been convicted of some kind of sexual offence in order to bring them back, to mainstream them, to normalize, if that would be the right word for this context. | ||
| Because I'm curious about the similarity of the wording here in this case and the French case as well. | ||
| And it's exactly what you're talking about here, about the mercy. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And you know, it's political favoritism. | ||
| I think that's what's going on in the Vatican, that their favorites. | ||
| By the way, this priest was ordained by none other than Cardinal Martini, who was the founder of the St. Gallen Mafia, friend of Cardinal McCarrick. | ||
| Obviously, this young priest was on a fast track in the diplomatic corps. | ||
| And, you know, it is shocking to read the statements from the Vatican saying that these crimes were a bump in the road and that he was experiencing a period of fragility because he moved to the Washington embassy. | ||
| I mean, he wasn't sent to Sudan. | ||
| He wasn't sent to Nigeria or Yemen. | ||
| He was sent to the most prestigious embassy in the world. | ||
| It is shocking to me that once again, Ben, the victims are ignored. | ||
| And here was really a teaching moment for the church to talk about the dignity of children and the exploitation of the internet and by people. | ||
| And my reading of this story, in my opinion, there was a tremendous amount of child pornography on his computer. | ||
| So much so that the U.S. and Canada both were demanding action and that this priest submit himself to jurisdiction in the United States. | ||
| You know, this was a serious case of child pornography. | ||
| And yet, and yet, what did we see? | ||
| You know, basically the Vatican said our hands are washed. | ||
| We're putting him back because after all, what is he going to do? | ||
| Well, we know of bishops and priests in America who've done nothing wrong and have been sent out to pasture with no kind of mercy just because they love the Latin Mass, right? | ||
| And yet here, a man who violated the innocence of children by not only downloading child pornography, but sharing it, sharing it around the world. | ||
| I mean, just imagine. | ||
| And they want to say, oh, bumping the road of his clerical career. | ||
| And back, he's back in charge, writing speeches for the Vatican, Secretary of State, and doing the important work. | ||
| And a person like that in a place where they're assigning priests all over the world as diplomats. | ||
| I mean, this to me shows the Vatican is not taking these crimes seriously after 50 years. | ||
| This is an issue that they should be sounding the alarm. | ||
| And yet, again, they demonstrate that they're tone deaf and that they are not going to protect children. | ||
| So it's, to me, to me, let's see what Leo does with this case, right? | ||
| Let's see what Pope Leo sends, you know, looks at this case and puts this guy out to pasture. | ||
| He does not belong in the church. | ||
| He can go to a monastery as a civilian and pray for the rest of his life and do penance, but this man should not wear a Roman collar. | ||
| That's pretty much what Benedict imposed on Marcel Meisel, wasn't it? | ||
| Have I mixed that up in my memory? | ||
| Look, my final question to you on this, because then we have to move on. | ||
| But you mentioned back in 2017, when this case first arose, that the US, this is going to be the Trump administration, right? | ||
| The first Trump administration asked the Vatican to lift the diplomatic immunity on this guy, who was basically a fully fledged diplomatic official working for the nunciature, for the nuncio, who must have been Vigano at that time, I think 2017. | ||
| And the Vatican refused. | ||
| They declined to waive diplomatic immunity. | ||
| Let me just ask you a quick question, right? | ||
| Give me one minute on this. | ||
| Do you think there's any possibility this guy holds compliment on looking at how quick unorthodox his reintegration has been back within the Secretariat of State? | ||
| Do you think he might have something on his files that gives him an easier negotiating hand? | ||
| Well, one is left with that impression, aren't they? | ||
| In fact, I don't think Vigano, Vigano, I think, was gone by then, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| He was let go by Pope Francis. | ||
| This was under Pope Francis. | ||
| And, you know, any other Pope would have said, yes, he should submit himself to the jurisdiction of the United States for investigation and punishment. | ||
| But this guy was really fast-tracked even through his criminal investigation and the Vatican. | ||
| And the fact that they didn't laicize him when the laws and norms in the Vatican passed in 2013 provided for that. | ||
| So you're left with the impression, oh, he is one of the favored ones. | ||
| And we are going to exercise mercy instead of judgment on this guy. | ||
| And so nothing's changed. | ||
| And to me, this sends a loud and clear message, not only to all those priests that are violating these laws, but also to the people in the pews, that we have to demand justice and a change in the attitude towards these sexual crimes, which are horrendous and which these, well, there was no contact with children. | ||
| Not on the computer, there wasn't by this priest, but on the computer, you would see these children being assaulted by other people. | ||
| Okay, Liz, thanks very much for that breakdown. | ||
| We'll be coming back to you later on in the show. | ||
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| So moving on with the theme of the Vatican approving the rehabilitation, the reintegration of priests who have been convicted of sexual crimes. | ||
| And both the case we're just discussing and the one that we're going to discuss now are actually crimes against children. | ||
| Let's go back to Frank Walker, who was telling us last week about this case in Toulouse. | ||
| Frank, I know you've been following this very closely, but all is not well in the French Catholic Church, right? | ||
| There's been a fraternal correction against this bishop. | ||
| First of all, before you give us the details on this, why don't you just remind us what a fraternal correction is and what it involves in the Catholic environment? | ||
| Well, I think, yeah, in terms of morality, it's when you correct somebody for doing something immoral and you do it in love, even though it's critical. | ||
| And, you know, it's just a way to remind us that you're trying to help this person overcome his sins and get to heaven. | ||
| So that's what a fraternal correction is. | ||
| And this priest, I mean, this bishop, Bishop Girard from the Vivier diocese, has corrected the Toulouse bishop, who is the one with this chancellor, who is still a priest after many, many years of public outcry and prison over forcibly raping a teenage boy. | ||
| And now he, and he, You know, before that, he was vocations director. | ||
| He worked in children's ministry after these things became known. | ||
| And then he was moved to an important position in this diocese. | ||
| He was already, and before this Toulouse bishop was there, the previous one had him as vice chancellor. | ||
| This guy just moved him up, but I think it's become especially famous because he's been so careless. | ||
| This bishop of Toulouse has been so careless about talking about the mercy. | ||
| What are we supposed to do with him? | ||
| How can he move forward? | ||
| It's like a death sentence if we just don't let him continue to be a monsignor and be an important advisor to the diocese. | ||
| So this bishop has from Vivier has intervened and said, I don't think that the priests and the faithful understand all this, what you call mercy. | ||
| What happened to mercy for the victims? | ||
| And it's only been a month since he's been appointed to this position. | ||
| Maybe perhaps we'll see some movement on this that he'll retract what he's actually saying because he hasn't really quite done that yet. | ||
| He's just continued to make these kinds of bleeding Francis Mercy statements. | ||
| And it's a way to see what is a lavender mafia. | ||
| There's a report that says this victim of Father Spina is the name of the guy himself tried to get in the seminary many times, but they screened him out. | ||
| They would not let him get near it. | ||
| He's also victimized somebody. | ||
| He's accused of showing pornography to other children and attacking a 14-year-old woman. | ||
| So it's just a whole generational problem in the church. | ||
| Frank, repeat that. | ||
| Just zoom out and repeat what you've just said. | ||
| The victim here, this guy who was 16 years old, I think back in 93, 94, when he was repeatedly raped by Father Spina, the victim, has now, if I've understood this correctly, as a teacher, he did go into the seminary, if I'm not mistaken, but was refused. | ||
| So he's now a teacher. | ||
| Correct me if I've got this wrong. | ||
| And he himself, the victim, the guy who had his life turned upside down by this Catholic priest who's now number three, number two or number three in the Toulouse Diocese, this victim, become an adult, become a teacher, has now perpetrated the same category of crimes. | ||
| I don't know if he's actually... | ||
| Frank, just tell me something. | ||
| I had a different question for you, but seeing as you raise this, tell me something. | ||
| Does that not make Father Spina's crimes worse in effect? | ||
| Because what he did to this young kid, in a sense, has so ruined him, as so often happens in cases of sexual abuse of children, that he himself is now within this paradigm of child sex abuse, and he's repeating the offense. | ||
| Doesn't that sort of make the crimes even more grave with regards to Father Spina? | ||
| It does. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It was already a very grave crime anyway. | ||
| And it also speaks to what are we dealing with in terms of this culture, of the culture of abused victims, trying to become priests, becoming abuser priests, and then becoming protector bishops like this bishop in Toulouse, who's a nice picture of him, tandem hang gliding and all of this mercy and everything. | ||
| There's a ratting out of each other at all different levels of the generational lavender mafia church. | ||
| And then there's also this strong desire from the Pope, from Francis and Leo, I think on down, to try to normalize it, to try to make everyone else think that this is okay, look the other way because of mercy. | ||
| So I think there's two things that are coming out here, and you can see it played out. | ||
| And Benedict had the right idea. | ||
| People with homosexual tendencies should not be part of the priesthood. | ||
| And if you want to know why, just look at this situation. | ||
| I mean, no, not every homosexuals aren't guilty of all these crimes. | ||
| But how do you separate? | ||
| How do you prevent it? | ||
| You have to go back to the baseline, which is what is the Catholic teaching? | ||
| What is it that's required? | ||
| Because this isn't the first time in our time that this kind of thing has become a problem among priests and bishops. | ||
| It's been quite a while. | ||
| And this is how it was always dealt with in the past. | ||
| So we have a Latinar mafia, and that's why they're so careless and completely tone death. | ||
| And it goes all the way up to the level. | ||
| And what will Leo do about this? | ||
| Well, Francis protected all sorts of people. | ||
| He protected Rupnik. | ||
| He protected the guy at the head of the Vatican Bank, Monsignor Rica, Gustavo Zancara. | ||
| Why do the popes not do anything? | ||
| Why do they just let, I mean, look at the guy who's the head of the CDF right now, Kissy Fernandez and his gay blessings. | ||
| They're making it worse. | ||
| They're not dealing with it at all. | ||
| And especially when it comes to the Pope, because this guy's not Metropolitan who's fraternally corrected, this Bishop of Toulouse. | ||
| This has been something that they planned out. | ||
| We're going to have a minor guy make a correction. | ||
| But where's the Archbishop of Paris? | ||
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What are they going to actually do about this? | |
| Let me ask you this, because I see a huge parallel between the story here in France and the one about the reintegration of this guy, Father Capella, in the Vatican. | ||
| They seem basically identical to me, more or less. | ||
| Let me ask you the question. | ||
| Let me throw at you the same question that I asked Liz Yor. | ||
| And you've got like a minute before we hit the break. | ||
| Perhaps we'll come back to you afterwards. | ||
| Given, I mean, first of all, do you see a similarity between the phraseology being used to defend the appointment to this guy as Chancellor? | ||
| Same phraseology, right, as what they're using to defend this guy in the Vatican being integrated back into the secretariat of state. | ||
| When you see this basically the same word for word being used in two very similar cases, do you get a suspicion that there might be a secret protocol in the Vatican for bishops to use in the part that you, Let's stay on that word of Normalization of reintegrating people who really should no longer be in the priesthood. | ||
| Do you think there is, what I'm asking you specifically, do you think there's a Vatican direction here that the laity don't know about, that they're depending on now to implement a new policy? | ||
| Yes, they use certain words, they're carefully tested words. | ||
| They have a new religion, and so they use the same words over and over again. | ||
| That's why you see consistency right across the board. | ||
| The Nuncio, the guy who worked for the Secretary of State, he was rehabilitated by Archbishop Gallagher, according to that story. | ||
| He was a very important high-level bishop. | ||
| It's just like all of the doctrinal goals that they have here, they have the same goal. | ||
| I think they have a goal of normalizing this, and they're using these perb charges, these church charges to make that happen. | ||
| And it's only in the lavender mafia. | ||
| There's a bishop, a Latin message. | ||
| Frank, hold on. | ||
| We'll be back in two minutes. | ||
| We'll continue this point in two minutes after the break. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | |
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| Amen. | ||
| Welcome back. | ||
| Frank, why don't you continue the point that you were making before the break? | ||
| And then I'm going to ask you this question or integrate it into your response. | ||
| In this case here, in the story that we're discussing specifically about the nomination of this convicted child rapist to the number three position of Toulouse. | ||
| And just for the record, it goes like this. | ||
| In a diocese, in a Catholic diocese, bishop in as number one, vicar general in as number two, and then the chancellor of the diocese in at number three. | ||
| Normally, that's the convention. | ||
| So the reintegration of this guy, here's a question I have for you, Frank. | ||
| And it was a question I could have also asked Liz Your discussing the similar case in the Vatican. | ||
| Why has there been zero reference from any of the people defending these two reintegrations of the need, zero reference, of the need to avoid scandal here towards the faithful, the laity? | ||
| No reference to scandal whatsoever. | ||
| What do you make of that, Frank? | ||
| Well, because I think that they really don't have remorse for what they're doing. | ||
| This is a practical problem to them. | ||
| The Bishop of Toulouse says, these victims, they need to stop thinking of themselves as victims so much. | ||
| They're more than just victims. | ||
| They don't think most people think. | ||
| There's a huge gap between them and Catholics, between them and regular, decent people. | ||
| And I think that's why they don't talk about the scandal at all. | ||
| This bishop from the other diocese with the making the correction, he said, I don't think that people understand that you need to have mercy on the victims too. | ||
| And in the public, they don't understand it. | ||
| But he didn't really elaborate on it. | ||
| But I think that it's hard for us to understand the way this network of bishops and priests and victims that are part of it, the way that they think about these things. | ||
| We need to change, according to them. | ||
| We need to change the way we think. | ||
| We're rubes. | ||
| We are holding on to this silly old Catholic doctrine. | ||
| They don't have that problem because of the mercy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, once you start off on the position of modernism and redefining the Catholic faith, it's like a typical revolution. | ||
| It builds a momentum of its own. | ||
| Look at this quote here that the bishop here of Toulouse, the guy who reintegrated this convicted child rapist as Chancellor of the diocese, de Kerry Mel, Bishop de Kerry Mel, he defended this appointment saying that not to show mercy is to lock the abuser into a social death. | ||
| It is to re-establish a form of death penalty. | ||
| And that's a very strange formulation of words. | ||
| It's a very strange formulation of ideas as well. | ||
| Because from one perspective, from my point of view, I'm sure from your point of view, I'm sure from yours point of view, the death penalty is not only licit under Catholic theology, it's actually obligatory, as it were, in certain category of cases. | ||
| Not to execute justice. | ||
| For the state, not to execute justice is a form of injustice. | ||
| And of course, it has direct warrant from the words of God himself back in Genesis, right? | ||
| Basically, who spills the blood of man by man, his blood must also be spilled. | ||
| And that's pre-Mosaic, so don't start bombarding me, liberal Catholics, with the idea that Jesus Christ has rewritten the Mosaic law. | ||
| This is pre-Moses, right back in the beginning of Genesis. | ||
| Let's look at those words again. | ||
| Not to show mercy is to lock the abuser into a social death. | ||
| It is to re-establish a form of death penalty. | ||
| Do you have any observations on that as a justification for reintegrating a convicted child rapist as the number three in the diocese? | ||
| Just give me your take on that. | ||
| That they have absolutely no remorse. | ||
| They don't understand the conception of justice. | ||
| They call justice a social death. | ||
| When everybody else, they need that social death to happen. | ||
| That person brought that social death on himself. | ||
| Please, can we please have some social death? | ||
| That's what's really needed. | ||
| But for him to say that, and you're right, those are tried and tested words. | ||
| It sounds exactly like Pope Francis. | ||
| Francis loved to visit prisons. | ||
| And every time he went to a prison, he would say, you know, I could be here just as easily as anybody else. | ||
| And, you know, people are like, well, I believe you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The guy is completely clueless about what the regular people need. | ||
| He doesn't understand justice at all, especially for people who are guilty of these sorts of crimes. | ||
| Yeah, it's a shocking story, and I'm sure that we're going to have further developments on this, and which we'll be bringing to the war room posse as time goes on. | ||
| Just one final reaction from me on this, and then we're going to go to Jenny because I know she's got a few points she wants to say. | ||
| You say that they have no remorse. | ||
| You know, the kind of person, the kind of psychological profile a person has not to have any remorse whatsoever? | ||
| Sociopaths. | ||
| Psychopaths, right? | ||
| That are very much concerned, confirms my own thesis that the Vatican, certainly under Pope Francis, is basically being taken over not simply by modernists, but by a bunch of clinical sociopaths. | ||
| Stand by, Frank. | ||
| We'll come back to you a little later on in the show. | ||
| Jenny, I know you've got some observations to both of these stories. | ||
| Do you want to tie them together? | ||
| What do you have for us? | ||
| Yeah, thanks, Ben. | ||
| I really want to stress the broader context of these two very upsetting stories. | ||
| And that is that our age will be defined by the oversexualization or the sexualization of children, especially in digital spaces, and also extreme, a culture of extreme promiscuity among young people. | ||
| And both of these things have done enormous psychic and spiritual and emotional and even economic harm to two generations of people. | ||
| And in that context, what are you doing if the very institution that is supposed to be offering moral authority and a place of salvation is actually yet another snake pit of the very type of sin that you have been damaged by and you are seeking refuge from. | ||
| I mean, this is on a spiritual level, an exponentially worse crime than even the criminal level, which is obviously very bad. | ||
| If I were a mother of a child who is suffering either having been exposed to extreme pornography or, God forbid, having been harmed directly by a molester or just is confused in this culture of excess that young people live in today, I would have deep, deep qualms about referring that child to a priest at this point after listening to these two stories. | ||
| And I had hoped that given the terrible scandals of the last many decades, frankly, that they would have learned their lesson. | ||
| And that seems to be not the case at all. | ||
| In fact, if anything, they're doing the opposite. | ||
| And they're taking this tack, trying to win over the youth by participating in a sort of benign form of youth culture. | ||
| And I was just reading something recently in The Guardian about these sort of hip trendy priests who have big Instagram accounts. | ||
| And they're always talking about love. | ||
| And this is the thing that I find interesting. | ||
| And it goes back to a bit of what we were talking about last week, about the incorruptible soon-to-be saint, Pierre Giorgio. | ||
| It's always about love, and that's well and good. | ||
| But what exactly do they mean by that if it's not grounded in morality, and it's certainly not grounded in scripture? | ||
| Never have I come across, in all of these stories I have read, any priest, any sort of elite hierarchical member of the church giving a scriptural argument or answer to these terrible crimes. | ||
| What you were mentioning in the earlier part of your remarks, Jenny, and I'm glad you did because it gives me the opportunity just to throw in just one of the few words in Greek I actually know, tos scandalon. | ||
| Tos scandalon. | ||
| Obviously we take in English as scandal. | ||
| And tos scandalon is a stumbling block, as many people who've studied a little bit of scripture will know. | ||
| Stumbling block. | ||
| It is something that we obviously Christians are to avoid because it is putting an obstacle in the path of others towards their journey in faith. | ||
| And that's why, you know, the question I asked Frank Walk earlier as well. | ||
| Why is there no reference in any of what they're doing to scandal? | ||
| It's because it's a concept that they would have absolutely no words to rebut their actions with because what they're doing is scandalous in that sense of the word. | ||
| It is actually putting obstacles in people's paths and teaching them, if that's the right word, teaching the laity not to trust the Catholic Church. | ||
| Jenny, hold on, because I know you're going to break down this story coming out of Switzerland in a moment. | ||
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| So let's go in the closing 10 minutes of the show to The geographical heart of continental Europe, Switzerland, not a million miles away from where you are right now, Jenny, held as a beacon for many progressives around the world, certainly in the United States, and yet their treatment of the elderly is something, I think, of a warning, right? | ||
| Fourfold increase in the suicide rate of over 85-year-olds. | ||
| Firstly, tell us a bit about what's happened in Switzerland, and then give us your warning of what will happen for the United States if the Democrats and the progressive voices have their way in legalizing assisted suicide. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Switzerland is famous the world over for being this ultra-liberal humanist place and has had, has long had very lax or not really any laws at all surrounding suicide and helping people commit suicide. | ||
| And it's, you know, for years it was the place where, you know, if you were given a terrible diagnosis of a degenerative fatal condition, it was always presented as this very humane alternative where you could go and your family could go with you and be spared the terrible degradation of the body in the process of dying. | ||
| Well, lo and behold, we now see that, be that as it may, what's actually happening is that they are killing ever larger numbers of elderly people and specifically elderly women. | ||
| And I think that the headline, the number in the headline is the absolute standout number, that since 2003, there's been an 825% increase in assisted suicides being meted out to Swiss citizens. | ||
| And it is increasingly elderly that are undergoing this, and it is increasingly women. | ||
| So the message being sent to women, elderly women, is they have no place in society. | ||
| They have no inherent value. | ||
| They are a burden on everyone. | ||
| And therefore, they should kill themselves. | ||
| And if that's not a dystopian horror, I don't know what is. | ||
| Jenny, let's pull that. | ||
| Let me ask Denver if they could kindly pull that headline back. | ||
| That's a higher figure than the one that my research had pulled up, which was the suicide rate for people over the age of 85 has quadrupled. | ||
| Let's bring that headline back here. | ||
| That says assisted suicides are up 825% since 2003. | ||
| Tell me a bit about that. | ||
| 20 years, right? | ||
| That really is a horror story. | ||
| If you wouldn't mind, because I was unaware of this before doing my research for today's show, there is a difference between how men commit suicide and how women commit suicide, right? | ||
| Just tell us what that difference is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then what the warning here specifically to women is with regards to the assisted suicide agenda. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, in this article and I think a few others that I was reading before coming on to speak with you, the difference is largely that women tend to be diagnosed more often with psychiatric and depressive disorders, and they therefore seek assisted dying for those disorders, | ||
| which to me is really absolutely not what the original humane argument was for assisted dying, which was you are going to die soon anyway, therefore, you know, there's an argument, there is a certain moral logic to that. | ||
| But if you are depressed or if you are sad because you have lost a loved one or if you have a mental illness, then having access to doctors that will kill you is an absolutely different matter altogether. | ||
| And I don't understand how anyone can defend this practice. | ||
| It is completely wrong, obviously. | ||
| You shouldn't be able to gain access to a doctor who will kill you because of your feelings. | ||
| This is not the proper order of things in any way. | ||
| Let's just look at this one moment here. | ||
| Am I right in suggesting that the difference, one of the differences, in addition to the one that you just mentioned, is the fact that men, when they commit suicide, tend to do it in the traditional fashion, right? | ||
| A loaded revolver or a noose in the loft or what have you. | ||
| That's to say that men commit suicide in the unassisted fashion, the old fashioned way. | ||
| Women, however, very rarely do that. | ||
| And certainly in Switzerland, where they have the choice, they almost exclusively opt for suicide in the assisted fashion, which is where they have helped. | ||
| There are people on hand. | ||
| They kill themselves, but there are people on hand to make sure that it goes well, goes on. | ||
| And that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that makes sense in the way that generalizing about women and men and the difference between them. | ||
| I mean, women are very sociable creatures. | ||
| Women seek consensus. | ||
| Women are collaborative. | ||
| Women want social approval. | ||
| And, you know, I suppose if you're that, if your mindset is already thinking that this is an appropriate or a good thing to do, of course, you're going to want some handholding. | ||
| You're going to want people to enable you and validate your choices. | ||
| It's also a very modern phenomenon, isn't it, where we have to always have our mistakes celebrated and validated by others. | ||
| I mean, that's what all of social media involves, right? | ||
| So it doesn't surprise me at all that men, to some degree, are still sticking to the original way, which is also absolutely horrifying for a family. | ||
| I mean, I can't imagine anything worse, really. | ||
| And they're Submitting themselves, they're doing this to themselves, they're doing physical harm to themselves in a way that requires some element of physical sort of bravery. | ||
| Although I don't want to put a positive spin on it, whereas women are seeking the help of professionals because that's what we do, and we, you know, we're very into therapy culture and we want to sort of be patted on the head and told that this is okay. | ||
| And it's absolutely not. | ||
| Jenny, breaks my heart. | ||
| That's all we've got time for. | ||
| Where do people go on social media to keep up with your writings and your analysis? | ||
| Well, mostly on Substack, which is jennyeholland.substack.com. | ||
| But as of yesterday, I have a YouTube channel, which is Saving Culture from Itself on YouTube. | ||
| And that's a YouTube channel. | ||
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And how do people find that? | |
| Just pop in Saving Culture from Itself into the YouTube search bar and my name and it should come up. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Jenny, many thanks. | ||
| God willing, catch you same time next week. | ||
| Frank Walker, where do people go to keep up? | ||
| Will you put the links that we've mentioned if anyone listening to the show wants to do their own reading and research? | ||
| Can they come to Canon 212? | ||
| Yes, they sure can. | ||
| They'll be up on the right column and they'll be up at the top for a little while, some of them. | ||
| The Canon 212, type it into your address. | ||
| Actually, the address itself, there you see the Twitter and the X, Canon 21212 spelled out. | ||
| And the daily update is at Rumble and at Gloria TV and on Canon 212. | ||
| You can see the link there too. | ||
| Folks, don't forget you've got to type it out in full because Frank Walker is being suppressed by Google's malicious algorithms. | ||
| Frank, catch you same time next week. | ||
| Thanks for coming on. | ||
| Liz Yore, quickly, where do people go to keep up with your analysis on social media? | ||
| Where on social media, Elizabeth Yore, my website is YourChildren, and I also have a sub stack, Elizabeth Yore. | ||
| Liz, thanks very much. | ||
| I didn't get a chance to discuss my thing today about the FBI spying on an SSPX priest. | ||
| Perhaps I'll catch up with you that and we'll hit that together next week. | ||
| My thanks to Cameron Wallace, our producer, to the crack team in Denver. | ||
| And for you, the viewer, stay safe. | ||
| Catch you same time next week. |
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