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Episode 4637: Secret Life Of The CIA
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Everything else is so strong.
We're bulling through the rates, the high interest rates.
The housing market would boom if this, you know, numb skull, he's a numbskull.
And if this guy would, can you imagine, we're talking about housing.
He's building a building.
He's building an addition, I guess, for more people to tell him what to do, and he's always wrong.
They had 71 different geniuses that they interviewed and that were put up.
You probably saw that.
And with predictions.
And the only one that got it right was me and one other person.
69 were wrong.
This guy got it wrong, and he wants to put in thousands of additional people to tell him what to say.
I mean, how many people do you need?
Read a newspaper and make your own decision, right?
Sir, are you thinking of removing him, or do you think he resigns before his term's out, Jerome Powell?
I'd love if he wants to resign.
That would be up to him.
They say it would disrupt the market if I did.
But, you know, there are many people who say he should be removed because of the fraud of what he's doing at the Fed with regard to the $2.5 billion.
He's spending $2.5 billion to, I guess it's a renovation.
I don't know.
It's just a renovation.
I'm very good at that stuff.
I should go look at it at least.
I feel crazy.
Yeah, we've got a story up on this.
It's crazy.
The building costs less to build than it's cost to renovate.
It's insane.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's like one of the most expensive buildings in the world.
He's putting all sorts of parks on the top of the building and this, that.
And I guarantee the contractors are making a fortune.
No, this is not a guy.
This is a guy who was recommended.
He was recommended to me by Mnuchin.
And it worked out good.
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
You're going to not get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
Mega Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
It's Wednesday, 16th July, Year of our Lord, 2025.
Right there, you saw just a clip from the complete interview with John Solomon and the president of the United States.
We're going to play it on the John Solomon show in its entirety without, I think, commercial interruptions.
Starting at 6, Amanda Head is going to be with us closer to the D-Block to talk about some of the big scoops there.
Right there, you heard about Powell, the president saying he's not going to fire Powell.
That was different.
The reason I'm really proud of John Solomon and the team is that he got the right story.
There was a huge story that came out on Bloomberg right when that was happening about senior White House officials, senior White House officials.
And the Bloomberg guys don't put it up unless they're talking to senior White House officials, said that he'd already talked to the House and that he had authority.
He was going to go ahead and blow out Powell.
But he said earlier at 9.30 this morning with John Salma, he's not going to do that.
He reiterated that on the press available with the crown prince of Bahrain and the prime minister.
We're going to get into the he talked about the special prosecutor, this whole investigation of this deep state trying to remove Trump and even maybe putting the Epstein things in there.
We'll talk about it.
We'll show that clip in a little while.
Jefferson Morley, the number one reporter, investigative reporter and writer that wrote the definitive biography of Angleton.
Remember James Hazes Angleton, one of the most controversial Americans of the 20th century.
He wrote really the amazing biography of that, and he's been following the CIA involvement in Kennedy's assassination.
He will join this Washington Post as one of their lead stories on the front page yesterday.
I want to go to Senator Tuberville.
Some history being made.
I don't think we've had a rescissions package.
I don't know if one's ever come up.
But here's the question, Senator Tuberville.
Where does it stand?
You guys started, the Senate started voting at 1 o'clock.
We've been following this, and the votes go up, the votes go down, the votes still open.
Are they still horse trading?
You've already done a haircut of $400 million for Collins, and now it's a $9 billion package.
Where do we stand on this?
Yeah, figure this out, Steve.
We took a $400 haircut, as you said, because of Senator Collins.
She just didn't like it in there, and she turned around and votes against it anyway.
What did we take it out for?
$9 billion.
We spend that in 24 hours up here.
This is kind of just like a trial run.
Obviously, it's NPR, a lot of the Doge cuts, a lot of the nonsense that USAID was spending, and a lot of that money was going back to the Democrats.
So much fraud up here and corruption.
It's amazing, but they don't want to cut anything.
And we've had one, I think maybe 25 years ago, there was one.
President Reagan tried one back in 1981.
I think he got 15 billion done back then.
Heck, that was a pretty large sum because of the back then the budget wasn't that big.
But it's pulling teeth around here, Steve.
You can't get anything cut.
And, you know, we just did the big beautiful bill, and a lot of us had to grit our teeth and vote for it.
There's some good things for the farmers, and of course, the tax cuts.
But at the end of the day, we didn't really cut anything.
And after that, if we stay status quo for the next 10 years, we'll spend $26 trillion more and add that to this $37 trillion in debt we're already in, and it will be over with.
Our country will not be what it was in the last 249 years.
So when President Trump and his team and Russ Vogue talked to people, we said, hey, look, the big beautiful bill is not perfect.
Let's get it through.
It's got the tax cuts, the supply-side tax cut.
We started getting growth.
We will come back to you With rescissions packages, pocket rescissions, impoundment, all this to take care of the cuts.
You've had a bill that's open now.
I don't know.
You're in your fourth or fifth hour.
A person that Thune negotiated with for days, even to get the bill rolling, Collins, you took $400 million off in one of the programs that she likes.
She's now voted against it.
Do you see this thing passing today?
Are they going to keep it open all night?
I mean, where do we stand?
It's only $9 billion.
If you can't do this, our recommendation to Russ and to the president is just, hey, do the pocket rescissions or just impound the money and let's go to the Supreme Court and fight it out in the courts about his Article II powers.
Your thoughts on this, Senator Tupperville?
Yeah, there's got to be a better way to do this because, like I said, just 9 billion is like pulling teeth.
And we voted for 30 hours straight on the Senate floor to get the big, beautiful bill passed.
And Murkowski, she hung in there all night.
And she eventually voted for it.
Then she regretted it.
So I don't think we'll get another vote out of her.
You know, I'm surprised Tillis voted for this.
I didn't think he would, but McConnell voted against this.
Collins voted against it.
So at the end of the day, Steve, we're between a rock and a hard place.
We're basically got 49 to 50 people that really want to do something about the deep state and the bad, bad situation that we're in.
But to get that done, like you said, a lot of it's going to have to come from the White House.
The president's going to have to start looking at people and really understand who they are.
You know, they go to the White House and smile and take these pictures of the president.
A lot of them want to get reelected.
But at the end of the day, they just grit their teeth and can't wait to either give up this majority or give up our country.
The appropriations, so the 26 appropriations you guys on Senate Armed Services are working on the NDAA right now.
My understanding is that we're not, because there's only 20 legislative days, I think, left before the fiscal year ends on 30 September.
I take it we're looking at as much as you guys that want to cut, want to cut, we're in hangfire again.
It looks like we're going to have a CR, midnight on the 30th, a CR that kicks it into the new fiscal year.
And I guess we'll fight with rescissions and impoundments then because it won't get done in this appropriations process, sir.
Yeah, exactly.
It'll be a CR in the coming, as you said, when we get closer to the end of the fiscal year.
Hopefully we get the NDAA, run up the flagpole from the House and the Senate manager's package passed, sent to the White House.
We have to get that done.
Of course, the Democrats held everybody hostage for the first four years I was here.
Schumer just, he just, we'd get it done in July, and then he wouldn't bring it to the floor until December to hold it all hostage because they knew they could get something for it.
That's all the Democrats try to do.
They just try to get something for everything that they hold the country up for.
It's not for the country, it's for them and their deep state comrades.
So I don't know, Steve.
We're going to try to do the best we can, but there's only a handful of people up here that would really care about cuts.
And that goes back to one thing, goes back to a reason you need term limits.
You need term limits because people stay, they're going to stay up here as long as you'll let them.
But once you get a term limit, then they look at it going, you know, I need to vote for the country.
I need, you know, I'm getting ready to go back out in the real world.
I'm not going to be pampered, you know, up here in the federal government.
My vote is going to have to send me back home and I'll get a little bit of praise for what I've done.
But as long as you keep people up here 30, 40, 50 years, we've got no chance.
One of the best things about the Big Beautiful bill, in fact, what Vice President Vance pushed it and sold it on was the $170 billion coming in to secure the border and for the mass deportations.
2,000 of our federalized troops in Los Angeles, the National Guard, were, I think, called back starting this weekend by Pete Hexeth.
It's been a success, though, in Alabama, these ICE raids.
I mean, are you a supporter of this, of doing the mass deportations and not just stopping at the bad ombres?
Oh, as many people as we can send back, Steve.
We go back to what we just talked about of possibly cutting $9 billion.
But the problem is we're spending on each illegal $70,000 to $90,000 a year.
We can't afford that.
We can't afford it in our hospitals.
We can't afford it in our education system.
We are a sinking ship.
And the American people looking around going, what do we do?
We got to start dipping water out of the lifeboat because we're going to sink along with everybody else.
And that's exactly what's going to happen if we don't get these people out.
Now, it's not 15 or 20 or 30 million people.
It's upwards to 50 million people.
And, you know, I just did an interview with a couple of people and they asked me, what about the people that are getting arrested and they possibly could be United States citizens along with some of these illegals?
Don't put yourself in the wrong spot.
You know, if you're hanging around people that are here illegally, you know, things could come down on you other than the fact that you're not going to be deported.
We have got to get the bad ombre's number one, but if people are there around ICE, you know, we can't pass them up.
We've got to deport them, send them home.
And at the end of the day, in Alabama, just yesterday, ICE went in and raided a business that had frauded the PPP money from COVID millions of dollars.
And those people either got to go to jail, they got to go home.
Something's got to happen to them.
We cannot continue to put up with this nonsense.
If we don't have law and order in our country, Steve, it is over for the United States.
Last thing, Senator, and thank you for taking time before you go.
Congressman Salazar just put up from Miami, just put up a bill with a couple of co-sponsors, essentially an amnesty bill for the non-bad ombres that are here.
Is that going to get any traction in the Senate, sir?
No, no, no.
There's not going to be amnesty.
I don't know where these people come from.
I did a press conference with Brooke Rollins, Pam Bondi, Pete Hegsteth, several governors the other day.
That word should be taken out of the English language.
There is no reason for us to even talk about amnesty.
If you're here illegally, you've got to go home.
We can't afford you.
Now, there needs to be something with our visa system where we can bring people back and work because obviously we've got 10 million open jobs right now and we've got a lot of people sitting on their ass not doing anything, collecting Medicaid and Medicare and everything they can get their hands on.
It's time to go.
It's time for them to go home, the illegals, and it's time for us to put people back to work.
And that's what we did in Medicaid.
We said, listen, if you don't qualify for Medicaid, you're out the door.
You're going back to work.
But we have hurt the Democrats' feelings so bad they won't even talk to us right now.
But they'll come back around.
And, you know, eventually, you know, maybe we can get them thinking about the American people for once.
Senator Tupperville, social media.
How do people get to your website?
How do they get to you on social media, sir?
TuppervilleSenate.com.
It's always the hardest question I ask you.
Senator Tupperville, always an honor to have you on here, sir.
Always an honor to have you on here.
Thank you, sir.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Okay, welcome back, Senator Tubber.
There's also a fight right now on the rule again on this Genius Act.
And you've got, you know, Eli Crane, MTG, Chip Roy, others.
Look like no votes now.
That's also shifting around.
The rescissions package has been open for hours.
Unbelievable.
It's unbelievable.
$9 billion.
Like we said to Russ and to the team, I'm glad you're going through this exercise.
I think it's great you're going and including the House or including the Senate.
But, you know, you're talking about a $2 trillion deficit.
At some point in time, we just heard from Senator Tuberville, and we know this is going to happen.
The appropriations, the 12 individual appropriations bills are not going to get done.
The ones that are going to get done are, okay, so wait for this.
The ones that are going to get done are three of the 12 are going to get done.
Because there's only 20 legislative days between now and 30 September as we go through with you folks all the time.
The three that are going to get done, particularly defense with the defense authorization and DHS, are going to have wait for it budget increases.
I kid you not.
Budget increases.
The other, there's one more, and I don't remember what the other one is, but those are the two major ones.
The appropriation, single subject appropriation bills are not going to get done and they're not going to be able to be packaged.
We're going to have a CR, so you're going to have that fight.
But remember, to get the big, beautiful bill done, there was a commitment that we're going to use these methodologies of going in cuts.
And right now on the Senate floor, they're hung up on a $9 billion cut that was $9.4 billion.
They already cast off $400 million just to get Collins to vote for the rule so they could bring it to the floor to debate.
And she's a no on the bill, even with giving her the $400 million in a deal.
The Genius Act is also being fought over.
There are many issues with the Genius Act.
One that's big is the central bank digital currency, which is in a president executive order, but it's not in this.
And so a lot of folks are saying, hey, you've allowed a back door to be here and it ought to be actually in the bill.
We'll get you up to speed on all that.
Like I said, John Solomon is going to play his, in its entirety, the interview with the president.
One of the things today the president talked about, or John Solomon talked about, this, you know, going back to crossfire hurricane to the summer of 2016, looking at the MOLA Commission, the MOLA investigation, look at many of these things that have been there, the impeachment of President Trump on the Ukrainian thing, many of these issues that we say was the deep state trying to nullify his term.
And this issue at the deep state, we continue to grapple with.
And of course, we have many people on the other side of the political spectrum from ourselves that agree that something's deeply wrong and has to be addressed.
I want to introduce now, this is from the front page story on the Washington Post yesterday, author Jefferson Morley, Jeff Morley, a writer of many books about the Kennedy assassination and Watergate, but really the classic, The Ghost, which I've been talking about a lot over the last couple of weeks,
the single best biography of James Jesus Angleton, one of the most significant individuals in American history in the 20th century and still virtually unknown outside of a small group of people that focus on this issue.
Jeff Morley, Anna Paulina Luna, we were supposed to do a press conference last night for a whole host of reasons.
She couldn't do it.
They were going to do it.
You were going to be on it.
Anna Paulina Luna was one of the people, and probably the tip of the spear we had on our show live Saturday, that through force of personality is making sure that all the records are actually coming forward from the CIA and from other departments to make sure that we have a complete, from the federal government, to make sure we have a complete record.
People can see everything on the Kennedy assassination.
It turns out there's a blockbuster memo from the CIA, I guess, deputy station chief in Miami, who was also the head of, I guess, psychological warfare.
And one of his things was overseeing different, either the Invasion of Cuba, assassination of Castro.
And people, particularly our young audience, and even maybe some of the boomers, forget how central Cuba was to American foreign policy and particularly to the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration.
Can you just get up to speed what exactly this memo is?
Why is it so important?
Why, I don't know, 60-some years later, it's front page news on the Washington Post, sir.
Well, Steve, first of all, thanks for having me.
Thanks for your kind words about my book.
You know, you and I come from very different places politically, but we do agree about James Angleton.
We do agree about the Kennedy assassination.
So let's drill down on that.
What the Washington Post reported on in the front page story yesterday was a file.
It's not one document.
It's a series of documents about a man who was the chief of covert action in the Miami station in 1963, running covert operations out of Miami in New Orleans.
And this file shows that the story that the CIA told to for 60 years until last week was false, that they didn't know anything about this guy, Lee Harvey Oswald, the Castro supporter who was making noise in New Orleans.
They pretended that he didn't exist and that they knew nothing about him.
And the file of this man, George Joanidi's eMERGE last week, showed that that cover story is now defunct.
And what we see now is that the story of a lone gunman was a story that covered up a whole host of CIA operations involving Oswald or knowledgeable about Oswald.
So, you know, what does that mean?
It means we're in a new area of talking about the Kennedy assassination.
It's no longer up to the critics of the official story to say, to concoct a conspiracy theory about what happened.
It's now up to the defenders of the official story to explain this CIA malfeasance that has been exposed.
And what it involves is the lone gunman was not lone in the sense that he was unobserved by senior level CIA people.
He was very well known at the top of the CIA in the fall of 1963 when JFK was alive.
And that's the story that they've hidden.
And that's the story that we got a piece of now.
No, it's not a smoking gun proof of conspiracy.
It's a fact pattern of CIA malfeasance.
But you wouldn't have, and this is why I go back to your book on Angleton is not a book about the Kennedy assassination.
And I've read, and of course, Skyhorse is our partner in publishing, which I think has published more books on the Kennedy assassination by not just anyone.
I think they've published more on that topic than all their other topics.
Your book on Angleton is literally about the formation of the CIA, but how it rolled, particularly in these critical years of the 60s, 50s, 60s, and 70s.
And he was a legendary figure because he was the head of counterintelligence.
But the book, your book, even without the Washington Post, says off a Washington Post article in 1959, when an article appeared in page seven, near the tire ads, as I call it, on the Washington Post, someone at the CIA picked up that a Marine corporal had defected to the Soviet Union.
From that time, you literally go through a detailed of how the CIA monitored all the moves of Oswald for four years up to, forget Yoanidi's, which is very important because he lied to people directly.
These guys monitored him.
And then when President Kennedy was shot, it's very obvious from your book, which really are talking about other topics, that the FBI and the CIA came together.
And their number one purpose in addressing the Warren Commission was to make sure that the Warren Commission, number one, and particularly the American people, didn't know their involvement with either monitoring this guy or questioning this guy, et cetera.
And I think that's shocking.
If that had been, if these revelations had been brought up by Walter Cronkite on Friday evening at 10 o'clock on the 22nd of November of 1963, the arc of American history would be quite different, would it not?
Absolutely.
I mean, imagine if the story that the Post ran yesterday ran in July 1964, that the chief of covert action operations for the CIA in South Florida knew all about the man who just killed the president.
I mean, the Warren Commission investigation would have been totally different.
It would have been headline news.
Heads would have rolled at the CIA, and we would have had some explanation for these machinations around the alleged assassin that we can only ask now, 60 years later, when we finally see, you know, kind of what was actually going on.
I want to go back in time, too, about how you frame, I think, perfectly.
You say, look, if you think about, and so many people, I think, have forgotten this over time or young people don't know it.
But if you go back to the early, from the beginning of Kennedy's administration, the Bay of Pigs happen literally when he shows up within, I think, 60 days of the administration.
He then has the Cuban missile, of course, Vienna, but with Khrushchev.
Then he has the Cuban Missile Crisis.
In the, not just liberal, but I think the way that we all know the Cuban missile story that this elegant president stared down diplomatically, Khrushchev and the Russians in Castro.
But the way you tell the story from the national security apparatus, the Pentagon and the CIA, they were livid.
They thought this was a major defeat because the commitment, he made two commitments.
Number one, won't invade Cuba.
Number two, that, you know, about the missiles and I guess in Turkey.
But the not invading Cuba, the Pentagon and the CIA were absolutely livid about that.
I tell you, can you give me 30 seconds?
We're going to go to break.
Can you give me 30 seconds on how they were, they thought that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a massive defeat.
Yeah, so not only had Kennedy not consulted them in resolving the crisis without war, but that he had actually given Castro sanctuary.
And we see the CIA taking these first aggressive steps towards secret operations involving Oswald in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
But you gotta believe.
Jeff Morley, Jefferson Morley, the author of many great books.
We understand from what's been written publicly that he's working on a new book that incorporates this new information.
His book, The Ghost, The Secret Life of CIA Spy Master James Jesus Angleton, it is right there.
In paperback, you will not be able to put it down.
It reads like a novel.
Short break.
in a moment Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
Jefferson Morley's with us.
And Jefferson, I want to get to the new book you're going to write.
But just going back in time, you know, the CIA was only 13 years old, but you see there in your book and others that there's this huge gap between the elected officials, in this case, a liberal or progressive president, although a cold warrior and a hero, a naval hero from World War II.
So this guy was no wimp and no peacenik, but a huge gap between people are saying, hey, we got to think through diplomacy here.
We got these nuclear weapon proliferation and the Curtis LeMay and guys who are very hardcore, who kind of won the war against the Germans and the Japanese.
They see American power, plus these kind of Ivy League guys in the CIA, and they, you can see, forming already what people call the deep state.
They have a different philosophy, a different national security policy, a different foreign policy.
And you bring it to highlight in your book on Angleton.
And now all this new revelations.
Is this the reason why we've got to get to the bottom of the Kennedy assassination to really, I think, go forward as a country?
You've seen the firestorm we've had in the last couple of days on this issue.
People are bringing up the issue.
I think you wrote a book on Watergate, the coup against Nixon.
I mean, what are your thoughts about this?
Do we have to solve actually, at least to what reasonable people can understand of what happened back then, to really go forward as a country about who actually governs us?
This is why the issue of the JFK assassination endures.
And people like you and me, coming from very different positions politically, left and right, see things in the same way, that this crucial event where I would say what I describe in the Angleton book is once there was no accountability around Kennedy's assassination, the CIA and these national security agencies effectively had impunity.
And so that impulse in U.S. foreign policy and U.S. intelligence making was never checked.
It's had free reign ever since.
And I think that's what leads to these forever wars that we're involved in.
You know, Harry Truman called for the abolition of the CIA right after Kennedy's assassination.
And it's a very telling column that he writes for the Washington Post on December 22nd, 1963, exactly one month after.
You talk about what would have been the headline, you know, if it had been known that the chief of covert action was following Oswald in the summer of 63 or that James Angleton had a fat file on the alleged lone gunman.
You know, people would have listened to Truman.
You know, his call for the abolition of the CIA was pretty much ignored in the country's shock and grief.
Nobody connected Kennedy's assassination to the CIA except for the ex-president who signed the CIA into existence, Harry Truman.
You know, so that's where, that's why this story still matters.
That's why we're still talking about it, because it does have a contemporary relevance.
How do we govern ourselves today?
How do we control a secret intelligence agency, a $15 billion a year agency?
Can it be controlled by an elected legislature?
That's the challenge that we're facing right now.
I will tell you, having worked in the White House and done the National Security Council and the interagency process, it's not simply a $15 billion agency.
Its hands are in everything.
It's all pervasive, and it comes from this assassination.
You are now, I understand, from the press, working on a new, and you're kind of the guy that I think people go to for facts and for truth and not wild conspiracy theories and this.
Are you going to take this latest revelation, which Annapolina Luna, it's so amazing that some of these young people are saying, we got to get the facts out here?
Are you going to take that?
And are you working on a new book about the Kennedy assassination?
I mean, the short answer is yes, but let me say something about Representative Luna, who I did not even know four months ago.
I'd never even heard her name.
And I've got to work with her over the last three months.
Again, very different, coming from a very different place than me politically.
She's very red.
I'm very blue.
She's terrific on this issue.
And we never would have obtained the file of George Joanites if it wasn't for Representative Luna pressuring the CIA.
And Director Ratcliffe deserves credit for making it available and for making other JFK records available.
So Luna really helped make the system work on JFK records.
That's very important.
And with these records, yes, I think I can write the last chapter in a book about what we have learned about the CIA's role in the events of November 22nd, 1963.
Do you agree right now with Harry Truman, should President Trump make it a priority to dismantle the Central Intelligence Agency, sir?
You know, a continental nation like the United States needs an intelligence agency.
I go back to one of the key documents that was released last March, thanks to President Trump's order, a memo by Arthur Schlesinger Written in 1961 called Reorganization of the CIA, in which he recommended, I think, a very thoughtful solution, which is put this clandestine service under the control of the State Department.
Don't let it be a standalone agency with responsibilities for both intelligence and operations.
Because, as Schlesinger said, it will come to dominate and preempt the president's foreign policy-making authority.
You know, Schlesinger said in that memo in 1961, the last thing that was declassified that Schlesinger wrote was that 47% of State Department officers at the time of Kennedy's inauguration, January 1961, 47% of those State Department officers were actually CIA officers.
That's how much the CIA had kind of infiltrated the operations of the U.S. government itself.
Until that changes, until there's some authority put over the CIA, some fundamental reform, I think you're going to have an independent actor in foreign policy that is really just as strong as the president.
I don't, since you brought it up, I don't want to bring up a sore subject, but I think in the Oliver Stone school of this, wouldn't he argue that Schlesinger's memo is one of the things that triggered some of the bad ombres inside the CIA to say, hey, we have a problem here, sir?
I mean, you know, we can speculate all we want about conspiratorial, you know, scenarios.
There's no doubt that Kennedy and the National Security upper echelon and the Joint Chiefs and the CIA were very alienated after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and that continued for the rest of Kennedy's presidency.
That's not open to dispute.
And now what's not open to dispute is the CIA knew a whole lot more about the man who allegedly killed the president than they ever admitted.
And in fact, one other way to lie about it.
Jefferson, where do people go to get you on social media?
Where do they go to get your writings?
And particularly, I think something if you're writing a new book on the CIA, you've written a couple of great books.
I would recommend everybody get the Angleton book, The Ghost.
You can follow my JFK reporting at JFK Facts on Substack, which is jfkfacts.substack.com.
You can buy my books, The Angleton Book, at jeffersonmorleybooks.com.
And you can follow me on TwitterX at JeffersonMorley.
Those are the places where you'll get the latest developments on the JFK story as they happen.
Jefferson, one last thing.
Pete, you're kind of revered in this whole area of people that are still fascinated and realize not just fascinating, but something needs to be, we need to get closure on this to go forward as a country.
JFK Facts is kind of a revered site.
Just give me a minute on what is JFK Facts?
What do you do to curate that site?
JFK Facts, we created JFK Facts in 2012, looking ahead to the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination.
And a colleague and I, Rex Bradford, lamented the fact that there is so much bad journalism on JFK's assassination.
Factual errors, evidence ignored, witnesses misinterpreted.
You know, just the JFK journalism was pretty terrible.
And so we created JFK Facts to report factually on new information related to Kennedy's assassination, information that we vetted, that we made sure was true or, you know, probably true, or if we weren't sure, we made clear that we weren't sure.
We also didn't spend a lot of time on conspiracy theories, debating them pro or con.
Our facts were, our approach was, let's report on what's new, good information, let's eliminate the bad information, and let's lobby against secrecy around JFK records.
We started that in 2012 with President Trump's order in January 2025.
We actually improbably achieved that goal.
We are getting close and closer to full JFK disclosure.
And as we get closer, we get significant information.
You know, look at what Rep Luna achieved by getting the Joe Aniti's personnel file out there.
We have a new perspective on CIA operations at the time of Kennedy's assassination.
We have new important information about that.
And so we've gained something.
That's a good accomplishment.
Jefferson Morley, thank you so much for joining us here in the war.
We'll make sure everybody will push out these sites or social media and make sure people go and check it out.
Thank you.
Steve, thanks for having me.
Thank you.
So yesterday, that was the press conference.
It was going to be APL, the great APL, who's really worked with John Ratcliffe, CIA, to make this disclosure.
Jefferson is going to join us.
APL is very tied up.
We're going to try to get her in the next couple of days.
Let's play.
We have a clip.
We have Amanda Head, one of my favorite people on deck.
Let's play the clip from their interview this morning, and I'll bring Amanda in.
For all the things that have happened, there's the Russia collusion against you.
There is Jack Smith against you.
There's all the things that happened in 2020, not investigating China interference in the 2020 election.
Where do you think, what are the things are most important that you would like to see the FBI get to the bottom of?
I think they could look at all of it.
It's all the same scam.
They could look at this Jeffrey Epstein hoax also, because that's the same stuff.
That's all put out by Democrats.
And, you know, some of the naive Republicans fall right into line like they always do.
They just don't have the sustainability.
They don't have the something.
They don't have that stick-to-face glue.
The Democrats, you know, they have bad policy.
They have bad candidates.
They have bad everything.
But they stick together.
The Republicans don't do that.
But they have to look into the Jeffrey Epstein hoax, too, because Epstein is the hoax that's frankly put up by the Democrats, pushing the Republicans and put up by the Democrats.
No, they definitely set the Republicans up.
One big prosecutor looked at it all.
Would that make you feel good, you think?
Well, I think it's in the case of Epstein.
They've already looked at it, and they are looking at it, and I think all they have to do is put anything credible.
But, you know, that was run by the Biden administration for four years.
I could imagine what they put into files, just like they did with the others.
I mean, the Steels LCA was a total fake.
It took two years to figure that out for the people.
And all of the things that you mentioned were fake.
So I would imagine if they were run by Chris Ray and they were run by Comey, because it was actually even before that administration, they'd been running these files.
And so much of the things that we found were fake with me.
But especially you look at that steel dossier where they paid like $14 or $16 million.
That's more than James Patterson gets paid to do a number one bestseller.
And the thing turned out to be a total scam.
So frankly, you know, I think I love that they're looking at all this stuff, if they are.
I hope they are.
Yeah, we've definitely confirmed it.
They definitely are.
Mr. President, this is something that could give the American people answers on three different elections, 2016, 2020, and 2024.
But to get that rolling, there are two sets of documents that are key to identifying possible conspiracy.
But a grand jury can't see them unless you declassify them.
Would you declassify the classified annex in the Hillary Clinton email case, as Senator Grassley has been asking?
Well, I would do that.
I would do that, absolutely.
I think it should be looked at.
The whole thing was a scam.
Yeah.
And I would do that gladly.
Okay, Amanda Head, we're going to take a short commercial break here.
Amanda Head is going to join us on the other side.
We're taking down the CCP.
Spread the word all through Hong Kong.
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no more.
Let's take down the CCP.
Let's take down the CCP.
They have all the people who are going to be able to do it.
Here's your hook, Stephen Kaybat.
I want to read.
John Salma just put out a tweet a moment ago.
President Trump's movement is an important first step.
Attorney General Bondi should now name prosecutor, release an index of all docs collected, identify what is being withheld and why, and then ask the Southern District of New York judge to unseal 2019 grand jury materials.
Amanda Head, you were part of that and asked some great questions there.
We just had Jefferson Morley on.
60-some years later, ma'am, we're still struggling with getting all the information out about President Kennedy.
Here we had, I would argue, the third coup d'état in the last 60 years against President Trump, starting with Crossfire Hurricane and all the stuff you and John Solomon cover every night.
Make this make sense to us right now.
Where are we in all of this and what do you anticipate?
You're going to play the entire interview without commercial break here at the top of the hour.
Walk us through what you've learned from that and where we are at late this afternoon.
Yeah, so you asked me to make this make sense.
So I'm coming freshly off of information from President Trump.
So let me tell you how these two stories kind of amalgamate together.
So I know John came on your show and talked about the grand conspiracy case.
This is something that started with Hillary Clinton's email case and could conceivably carry all the way through the 2024 election.
And that's why I specifically asked that question to President Trump about covering those three elections, because we all know that there were issues starting in 2016, certainly issues with the election in 2020.
But also we know about the CCP sending over driver's licenses to be used to favor Joe Biden in the 2024 election.
So you have this 10-year grand conspiracy, and the question that we asked the president, which is different from what was asked to the president when he had his bylap with the leader of Bahrain, I think that person asked President Trump if he was going to appoint a special counsel to re-examine the Epstein documents.
What we asked the president was, can you include this in the grand conspiracy?
Can you broaden the scope so that this is included within those investigations?
And I know that John explained a lot of these details, but forgive me while I rehash some of them because they're important to what we talked about today.
So now that you have this 10-year grand conspiracy that's being investigated, you now have multiple different venues, one of which is Florida because of the infamous raid at Mar-a-Lago.
So you can have a grand jury impaneled in Florida.
You're going to have a much more, I don't even want to say favorable, just a fair grand jury where you can actually see charges coming out of this.
But the reason that that matters is because the person who would be examining all of this, and if I know who the person is, I am very confident in this person's ability to investigate and litigate.
And so that would be looped in with this.
But I will say, Steve, I do sense that the president realizes that this is not going to go away.
I did get that sense from him today.
I also get the sense that there, you know, President Trump is fiercely loyal, and I know that he is defending Pam Bondi face forward.
But goodness knows, this would not be the first time that a president had, you know, a discrepancy with his Attorney General, Nixon and Richardson, Johnson and RFK, Truman and McGrath, even Donald Trump with Jeff Sessions.
So I'm not sure.
I'm not saying that I know anything on the inside as far as Palace intrigue and what the fate of Pam Bondi is.
I will just say that I can tell that there is distance between the two of them.
I can tell that the president still cares about transparency.
He does realize you can't spend 10 seconds on X and not scroll past a tweet of someone talking about how angered they are that the Epstein documents are not coming out.
So I don't want to split the baby here, but I will say I do think President Trump realizes the egregiousness of trying to force the American people to move on from Epstein.
And at the same time, he's mentioned this numerous times, also last week in that cabinet meeting that caused such an uproar when he said we should be focusing on the successes and at the time the Texas leds.
And I think that those two things can be right at the same time because you look at all that President Trump has done and this was, you know, this is a larger part of our conversation with him with regards to tariffs and all the revenue that that's brought in, the fact that we are, I think, closer in this administration to reaching a balanced budget between the Supreme Court cases that have allowed President Trump to carry out mass layoffs and the firings at the Department of Education,
rescissions packages that are still going to be coming from the White House through Congress, and then on top of that, you know, possibly $300 billion worth of tariff revenue, You now have this beautiful creation, this beautiful world where we can actually come closer to budget balance than we ever have before.
And I'm not saying that Epstein is not important.
I just think that President Trump is trying to make sure that we don't not talk about those things.
No, it's, and by the way, your theory of the case, you add 3% to 3.5% growth with tax charts, and my baby increased taxes for the upper bracket.
I'm all in on Amanda's heads.
I can see the sunlit uplands on balance.
But I'm telling you, it's not too crazy.
We could actually do this.
Amanda, and going back, we just had Jefferson Morland.
We're still wrestling with Kennedy 60 years later.
We don't need to wrestle with this and pass this on to future generations.
If we get into the 10-year criminal conspiracy against Trump, you put Epstein in there as special prosecutor.
The reason is it all is about who governs us as a country.
Amanda Head, your closing thoughts, ma'am.
Yeah, Steve, when you create a culture of transparency at the White House and in Washington, and that culture comes from the top, Donald Trump, when you create a culture of transparency, it can transcend to things much, far beyond Epstein, including JFK and a whole plethora of other cases.
Because I'll tell you this, if it doesn't happen during this administration, even if there is another MAGA candidate who comes behind Donald Trump, I don't know if this opportunity will ever come across again.
So President Trump has got to get it done.
Manda, what's your social media?
We're all going to stick around for 6 o'clock for your interview.
Pretty simple.
Pretty simple, man.
Manda had.
Thank you, Steve.
Been one tough reporter for a long time.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate you.
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