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rick santelli
Yes, this is our June read on CPI, the consumer price inflationary guide.
And it is a little warmer than expected on year-over-year, but headline looks good.
Up three-tenths as expected.
That does follow up one-tenth.
Up three-tenths will be the second warmest of the year.
January was the warmest at up half 1%.
This is as expected, but two-tenths hotter than the rearview mirror.
If we strip out food and energy, comes in a tenth cooler than expectations.
Up two tenths, we're expecting up three, and the rearview mirror was up one-tenth.
Up two-tenths equals where we were in April.
To find a higher number, you're going once again back to January, the high watermark for the year up four tenths.
Now, let's go year over year.
Year over year headline, this doesn't include, this includes food and energy, is up 2.7.
That's one tenth hotter than we are expecting.
It's three tenths hotter than our last look at 2.4.
And how does it come?
2.7 would be the highest read since January or February.
February was 2.8.
January is 3.0.
So even though it's less than it was at the beginning of the year, it did warm up just a bit.
And finally, if we go year over year, X food and energy, arguably, in my opinion, one of the most important numbers, it comes in at 2.9 exactly as expected, but it is one-tenth hotter than the rearview mirror, which was 2.8.
2.9?
Well, it would be the warmest read since February.
Once again, you had January and February 3.3 and 3.1 respectively.
So even though we have made progress from the beginning of the year when numbers were higher, we do see a little bump on the year over year.
Maybe the best news is the monthly core number up two tens.
It certainly seems as though the market was expecting this or worse because interest rates initially moved lower, were basically unchanged pre-number.
10-year note now hovering at 440 actually is less.
We were around 441, 442 before the number.
If you look at what's going on with the yield curve, we see that the short rates are virtually unchanged.
Long rates are moving down a little more aggressively.
And that would make sense if the inflation data is less than the worst case scenario, the long end reflecting that.
And of course, we want to pay very close attention to the yield curve at this point because it really has been about whether it's steepening or flattening.
A lot has to do with the short maturities and how they relate to the Fed.
Obviously, we're not going to get a July rate cut, at least deemed by market activity and most economists and analysts.
So we want to watch the complexion of the curve.
I would say that use 50 basis points as your guide on the difference between tens and twos.
unidentified
AI will create or cost jobs.
And Mike, you found it depends on who you ask.
michael allen
Well, that's right, Mika and Joan there from Jensen Wong.
You were hearing the bull case on AI jobs.
And for your viewers, just to pull back the camera, this is one of the most consequential debates of our time.
We've seen it playing out here on Morning Joe, on Axios.
And these changes are going to affect every town in America, every employer in America, and then therefore every employee in America.
So I spent an hour with Jensen Wong when he was here in DC meeting with President Trump.
And by the way, breaking news, NVIDIA is lifting the whole stock market around the world this year, this morning, based on the news last night that they've gotten assurances from the Trump administration that they're going to be able to sell their AI chips into China.
They say they hope to start delivering those soon.
So a big news and big deliverables from Jensen Wong's trip to DC.
But we talked to him about what AI is going to be doing to jobs.
And here on Morning Joe, your viewers heard Dario Amadei, the CEO of Anthropic, one of the biggest AI companies, Make Claude, him saying that we need to be pragmatic, clear-eyed about the fact that ultimately there may be more jobs, but in the interim, a real disruption.
Him saying that unemployment could go to 20% among entry-level white-collar jobs.
Half of entry-level white-collar jobs will go away.
And what he's been saying is that policymakers, employers are just closing their eyes to this, sugarcoating it, not facing what's going to happen.
Jensen Wong, the other side of the debate, taking the bowl case, saying, as you saw in that clip, that yes, everyone's job is going to change, but it's going to make us more productive.
So the case he makes is that if we never changed what we did, if we never had any new ideas, if we never did anything new, that that other case would be right.
And he says that AI companies are trying to scare us.
I put one of the toughest cases to him.
I asked him, what about a long-haul trucker?
If I'm a long-haul trucker, I'm screwed, right?
Because there's going to be autonomous technology that will do my work.
What he said is, like, maybe they don't like that job.
Maybe they would rather be a short-haul trucker who's home with their family at night and the AI does the driving in between.
And so the bottom line of this is that the models are becoming more capable faster than employers, government are dealing with it.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's how I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Baff.
steve bannon
It's Tuesday, 15 July, Year of Our Lord 2025.
The President's going to go, and we may dip in and out of this.
Dave McCormick just opened up the Pittsburgh Energy and Innovation Summit.
It is about investments in energy data centers for artificial intelligence, also a lot of artificial intelligence investments.
I think Dave McCormick started off with talking about $80 billion of investments coming in generally, I think, the Pittsburgh and Western Pennsylvania area on this topic.
We'll grab that.
The president's going to speak, I think, around 2 o'clock in a roundtable.
Real America's voice will cover this nonstop.
Also, 11 o'clock, the press conference with the Andy Biggs is going to tee it up with the parents demanding justice.
We've also got Josh Hawley here.
There's a big hangup on the president's right now, the president's rescission bill.
Josh Hawley is also here for a number of other topics.
MTG, the Rules Committee last night did not vote out this amendment to have Congress demand the release or Congress start to release information they've got or information that is available or demand Justice Department do it on the Epstein situation.
That did not get to the floor.
Although I think Ralph Norman voted for it.
It didn't pass the Rules Committee.
It didn't come out.
MTG's also, I think her amendment on Ukraine did not come out.
Very good news, core inflation out today.
It looks like all the, as we kept telling you, all the panic of tariffs at least hasn't hit to date, hasn't been picked up to date.
At the same time, we have over $100 billion of tariff revenue that's into the Treasury.
Big news there, they talked about was NVIDIA.
And I think this is part of the deal.
I think this is one of the silent parts of the deal to make sure that we get rare earths and process rare earths as far as magnets and ball bearings and things that make our production economy because the Chinese Communist Party, as we told you, controls the supply chains.
I think the NVIDIA chip, which now is not their highest technology chip, but that chip, which was banned from selling to the CCP, is now going to be sold to the Chinese Communist Party after a meeting with President Trump.
We're going to go shortly to CERN in Switzerland.
We have Joe Allen and Noor bin Laden.
A lot going over there on artificial intelligence on CERN, also the World Health Organization.
And Noor's got things that she wants to make sure people are attuned to and talking to a congressman about.
That all being said, and we had a great interview last night with Mike Benz.
We're going to play parts of that.
Mike Benz got some specific comments for the Attorney General, things she could do immediately on the Epstein situation.
John Solomon, who broke it on this very show on Friday night, the investigation by the FBI in the Deep State's 10-year program to shut down President Trump.
It looks like it's going forward in an investigation.
We have recommended a special counsel.
I think Laura Loomers jumped in there.
Other people jumped in there, and that special counsel should also take over all the Epstein evidence and should petition the court to basically unveil all the evidence they've got, to unseal it.
A lot of the evidence there is sealed by a federal court.
Recommend the special prosecutor, if they take this on, that's very uncertain, but it looks like a special prosecutor, I think will be named John Salom Hussein by Wednesday or Thursday, but it looks like no later than the end of this week, they will actually announce a special counsel or special prosecutor in this situation of President Trump in the deep state.
And hey, Epstein's just another piece of that, as we've said over and over again.
So to me, it should logically be included.
If you take Mike Benz's situation and what he's talking about on the CIA and other intel, it makes perfect sense.
The Justice Department's got many other things to do.
Anna Paulina Luna is going to have a press conference this afternoon with Jefferson Morley, the great writer of the guys following the CIA very closely, the CIA's involvement in the Kennedy situation.
There's breaking news out of that.
She's going to have a press conference at 5 o'clock today, and we are going to cover that.
So it's a day of tremendous news and information.
That being said, I have not gotten to the most important thing that's happened overnight.
And it's quite disturbing.
And President Trump may be using this and could be very much using this as a negotiating tactic, but the Financial Times of London has come out with a story this morning that talks about a call that President Trump had, and we knew he had this call.
This was the day after the very poor call that he had with Putin.
Let's just go back over that week because it's gotten to some point here.
The week started off with the Pentagon announcing that, and people assumed it was signed off by the White House.
There's some question about that.
President Trump said he didn't know anything about it, which is pretty shocking, that the Pentagon, looking at our inventories of particularly defensive surface-to-air defense capabilities and stripping stuff out of the Pacific, had basically put a moratorium on sending anything else to Ukraine.
We were just stopping all weapons shipments.
That caused a mini-firestorm.
President Trump then on Thursday, the 3rd of July, had an hour and a half or two-hour call, or maybe longer, with Putin.
And he said afterwards it was quite, it was a very disturbing call.
We now know more details about it.
I think Axios reported that Putin said, hey, look, you took your shot at trying to get to a ceasefire.
We've got it from here.
This is really a bilateral situation and essentially butt out.
We've got this and we're going to figure this out.
President Trump was very disturbed about that.
That evening, on the 3rd in Kiev, a massive air bombardment, drones, missiles, aircraft bombarded Kiev, I think in one of the worst bombardments in the world, President Trump very, very upset since he had tried to bring peace to the area, as we've talked about.
The next day, and this is what the Financial Times story of this morning reports: the president had a call with Zelensky, and according to the Financial Times, and not refuted by the White House as of yet, and this is with unnamed sources, White House and personnel that were there internal, but the phone call said President Trump talked, brought up the topic to Zelensky about long-range American missiles.
And quote, basically, if we provide these to you, can you use these to hit Moscow and St. Petersburg?
And Zelensky said, absolutely, we can hit Petersburg in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Moscow.
As you know, and the article actually alludes to this, there are many people in the national security apparatus that have been very concerned about Ukraine's ability to control itself or elements in the Ukrainian government's ability to control itself.
And they brought up Spiderweb, which you talked about with Mike Benz yesterday, about the drone assault on the strategic triad, the bombers of Russia, which is the way you kind of trip into a nuclear war.
Very disturbing story in the Financial Times.
We've got it up on Getter.
I think Grace, mouth-breathing imbecile, Grace Chung, her handle, her brand.
Amazing brand, right?
Grace has got it up.
We've got a lot to get through this morning.
The 50 days, I did the calculation after the show.
50 days from Bastille Day, which was yesterday, would put us, wait for it, right on the, I think the day after the day after Labor Day.
This is, we're hurtling towards something we may not be able to pull back.
We'll discuss it all in the War Room.
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I got American faith in America's heart.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Matt.
steve bannon
Like I said, 50 days is right after Labor Day.
And that, and I say the confluence or the convergence of what's going to happen in Persia, because that's far from over.
President Trump stopped the 12-day war with an incredible military operation, right?
I think the most complicated that's been pulled off since World War II and brought the war to an end.
But there's still all types of activity over there about are they trying to enrich?
Are they trying to go back?
And the Persians are smack talking.
Are they actually in negotiations or not?
We know that the Netanyahu government's number one and the Israel First Crowd here is regime change.
And that is still, they're still pushing for that.
The convergence of that in the 50 days here, and I said it'll converge sometime after Labor Day, you're going to have a full-on engagement in the kinetic part of the Third World War.
Yesterday, also, and I don't think people have talked about it, but secondary sanctions mean sanctions are people that are trading with you.
The two biggest trading partners they have are India, but particularly the Chinese Communist Party.
They sell a ton to the Chinese Communist Party, very little to us, almost nothing, or nothing now since the war, but even very little before.
Western Europe with the natural gas.
But I assume we're going to put 100% tariffs on the CCP.
Somehow, I don't see that happening.
If that happens, then you're really going to get engaged.
And I just don't see everything that the administration is doing is not decoupling.
They're restricting the Chinese Communist Party, but not decoupling.
And we've shifted our carrier battle groups essentially from the Pacific to the North Arabian Sea, which are still there.
And I think we're getting NATO carrier battle groups, which are not even carrier battlegroups, just NATO carriers are actually going through the Straits of Malacca to Asia and East Asia, which I find quite bizarre because those carriers are not set up to fight the type of war you need to defend Taiwan.
And I realize NATO is trying to show that they're an ally and involved in helping out, and they understand the CCP is a major issue, but I just don't see it.
I'd much rather have them focus on doing what they should do, which is a European war.
This is a European war that is going to metastasize.
That's what happened in 1941.
You did have a war in Asia going for years that was brutal.
The Japanese invasion of Manchuria, then the China, the rape of Nanking.
It was a horrific, horrific conflict.
But this had not metastasized into a world war.
The European war was, although bloody, was fairly contained until Operation Barbarossa in the summer of 1941.
And of course, in December of 1941, the Japanese attack us, and then Germany declares war on us a couple of days later, and you have a global conflict, the bloodiest global conflict in world history.
This is starting to remind me of the guns of August, that all these different kind of elements that none of which would actually draw you into a massive conflict is we're inexorably being drawn in.
Now, President Trump, in all likelihood, it looks like he's using this as a bargaining chip along with the secondary sanctions.
But yesterday, he did jump on the guy that asked the question that's kind of a logical question.
You're going up the escalatory ladder.
What's next?
Now, he doesn't want to flip his cards over, but the Russians seem pretty dug in here.
And this is a European problem.
It's a European problem.
We talked about it down the campaign.
President Trump was very adamant.
It's their problem.
And now he said yesterday five times, it's not Trump's war.
Nothing could be more true.
It's not Trump's war.
President Trump, it would have never happened.
It didn't happen on his watch.
It would have never happened on his watch.
Putin would have never done this.
But by these types of actions, particularly the shipping of these long-range missiles and having a discussion that's been reported and not refuted by the White House that, hey, that didn't happen, particularly given the quality of the reporting coming out of the Financial Times, it's concerning.
Now, he may be using that as a bargaining chip, saying, Hey, we're going to give them these missiles, and they have the ability to do it.
You're going to get not just sanctions on yourself, but secondary sanctions.
So, you have to come to the negotiating table.
I think the KGB's theory of conflict is quite different than the Western.
This is why our greatest military leaders in World War II did not want to get in any kind of tangle in the bloodlines in this part of the world.
They were adamant that we stay out of it, given the number of casualties could bring.
So, folks, better start paying attention here, as we've warned about on this show for a while.
This is as serious as it gets.
It also shows you, it goes back to the Epstein.
This is where I think that's a key that picks a lock.
We're going to be doing this press conference live with Anna Palina Luna and Jefferson Morley on this really blockbuster news that she, because of her force of personality in demanding this go forward, there's now been release of information about the CIA and the Kennedy assassination after all these decades.
Things that were actually hidden and proves that the CIA and Angleton and Hoover, the FBI, all of them looked the American people in the face and completely lied to the American people.
And so I posit that you've had two coups already, had one against President Kennedy, had one against President Nixon that was different, had CIA involvement, but was a judicial revolt by Sirica and Jeff Shepard's amazing books back that up.
And now you've got the third.
We've announced that there's going to be the FBI is investigating the entire arc of the deep state trying to get rid of President Trump.
My concern here is that in the Ukraine, in the Persian situation, you're kind of playing into the hands of what the deep state wants.
This is what they want.
They want an empire.
Susan Rice the other day, when we had the layoffs over at the State Department, and by the way, Supreme Court last night backed up Department of Education.
We'll try to get Mike Davis on here sometime today.
Back President Trump on the Department of Education, his Article II powers, he can start to take it down to the deck plates, just like Kerry Lake's doing over at Voice of America.
They're really going to take the Department of Education finally after all those promises and all those decades.
President Trump's got it.
The Supreme Court's backed him up.
He's going to do it.
The Supreme Court has essentially given us backing to take apart the deep state if we have the political will to do it.
The State Department the other day, I think there were 1,200 layoffs, mainly in USAID.
They had this huge sob session in the lobby where they were applauding people as they took their plants out in their boxes after being let go.
And Susan Rice put up on Twitter, this is how America is a superpower dies.
Well, no, America's a superpower dies because of overextension, $37 trillion in debt, the inability to pay for it.
And quite frankly, the peoples whose sons and daughters are the cannon fodder for this finally stepping up and say, we don't want to do it.
We're not going to do this anymore.
We're not going to have our sons and daughters die on foreign battlefields for basically a group of corporatists and Wall Street types in deep state that have this fantasy about an American empire.
It's what's destroyed the country.
It's destroyed the country because you allowed 10 to 20 million illegal alien invaders in on Biden's watch.
Look at what's happening.
If you don't think it's serious of what's going on in New York in this election, you are dead wrong, right?
You are dead wrong, and you do not understand what's happening at these schools, at these colleges, the foot soldiers they can put out.
Just like the ground game that we put out with you, with the precinct strategy and with the Trump movement, they've done that now with these kids who are totally indoctrinated.
And there's millions more where they came from, given the immigration policies we've had.
Look at Los Angeles.
They're actively giving money to illegal aliens to protect themselves.
They're now going to have their own authorities combat the federal authorities to try to do mass deportations.
Mass deportations, they're trying to stare President Trump down and say it's not going to happen.
That's the war that the most important front of this war is the war here in the United States of America.
If we don't get this right and we don't do it now, before the midterm elections, and certainly before 2028, it's not going to get done.
It has to happen now.
And that's one of the things that the diversions of our attention.
You know, Holman was there the other day at the Charlie Kirk conference and gave a great presentation, but we're still, you know, you're still in the best case, a couple of thousand a day.
You need to hit 7,000 a day to over four years to get to the 10, 8, you know, to 8, 9, 10 million on mass deportations.
It's just not happening.
I realize the resources just got to them, but it is simply not happening.
That's the most important front of the war.
At the moment that you're focused on the mass deportations and a permanent sealing of the border, your attention and efforts now divert it not just to Persia, to that war, but something that's even more irrelevant to us, and that is a war on the eastern, you know, the Russian-speaking eastern border of Ukraine, where we have no vital national security interests.
I would argue we have no national security interests.
That's a European problem.
It's a NATO problem.
They haven't stood up.
And yesterday, if we have that clip, I'll play it in the next segment yesterday, which it's interesting.
This clip hit to me like a bombshell.
And no mainstream media and very little MAGA media picked it up where Route, Mark Route, the Secretary General of NATO, says, hey, America's, you know, you're the global police force.
You're the cop on the beat.
You're the police agent for the world.
And, you know, you've got to do this.
No, that's exactly what America First has revolted against.
We're not the cop of the world, right?
That's a globalist mentality.
That's an American empire mentality.
That is what has to be broken here.
That's why people like Mike Benz are so important right now.
Mike Benz kind of lays out easy steps that can be done immediately on this Epstein situation to really start to get some information out, some vital information out.
This is why this special counsel, they're looking at, I think, on this needed investigation into what the deep state did against President Trump to basically deny him office at first, then thwart his efforts in office, and finally steal the office from him.
You look at that, that's the arc.
It has to be investigated.
And I think it has to be adjudicated in a criminal setting.
It's a criminal investigation they're doing.
You have to get a special counsel in there and have a criminal investigation of it.
And I think just to make sure that we don't spin our wheels and waste time, give that special prosecutor the Epstein because it's going to tie in with much of the intelligence apparatus, also foreign governments and also foreign governments' intelligence apparatus.
Short commercial break.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Welcome back.
Let's go to Sir.
Oh, just a news on Capitol Hill.
We're following this closely, Russ Vote, and the team.
They haven't been able to secure even enough votes to start the debate on the $9.4 billion rescissions package.
Our recommendation to President Trump is just go do the impoundments.
If you're just going to take this much time and this much brain damage and have Russ vote, I think he's going back up to Capitol Hill today.
You've tried to work with the House and the Senate enough in these rescissions, either do pocket rescissions or just impound the money.
And let's go to court on your Article II powers.
The courts are backing you up, both at the State Department, Department of Education.
This Department of Education, State Department ruling is massive.
It reinforces President Trump's Article II powers to be chief executive officer of the government and to let people go.
And Department of Education, they're going to take apart brick by brick.
So the same with the money, his Article II powers, I think they're spending.
It's so, look, this is a $9.4 billion package that's supposed to be symbolic.
And they can't even get the 51 votes to get a debate, much less to try to get this passed.
Anyway, we'll keep you updated on that.
Let's go to CERN, Switzerland.
First off, Joe Allen, why are you in CERN?
And why when we mention that name?
What is it?
Why do we mention that name?
Many in the war and posse think that you're going to get evaporated, sir.
joe allen
Well, Steve, you know, as you're fond of saying, let's go to the sublime from the less sublime.
Behind me is a monument to light, especially the speed of light.
And further back beyond your line of sight are detection systems for figuring out what sorts of properties matter has from smashing particles together.
Right now in the systems below our feet, going out into the mountains and out to the lake, Lac Le Monde, there are hundreds of billions of protons spinning at near the speed of light and smashing into each other.
The idea is to figure out the properties of the matter, but the ultimate idea, and many would say that is why CERN is in some sense a temple to the religion of science, the ultimate idea is to figure out what the early universe looked like as in the first few seconds of the early universe.
Beyond that, I think that the spiritual significance of this is only overshadowed by the monetary significance because there is a ton of money getting poured into all of this.
steve bannon
Including from the U.S. What is the money's there for the research?
What is the purpose of the purpose of the stated purpose of the research?
joe allen
You know, like I say, the particle accelerator below our feet here is designed to basically smash subatomic particles together, protons in particular.
And the more of them you smash together, the more they put off smaller subatomic particles, quarks, leptons, things like that, muons, and the Higgs boson, right?
The so-called God particle.
The ultimate idea, again, is to try to get at the secrets of the universe, the deepest secrets of the universe.
What did the universe look like during the first few moments of the Big Bang?
Now, you might say, I don't care, and many people who are sensible would probably say the same.
But if you are a scientist who believes in nothing more than science, there's really nothing more precious than that last little bit of data.
You know, if there's one thing we cover all the time, Steve, it is the kind of religious significance of data for the techno-class and that last bit of data.
What did the early universe look like?
Well, supposedly they're discovering it beneath our feet, but the coffee is pretty expensive.
That's probably indicative of some of the cost.
steve bannon
What is, Norton, what is the fear?
Why have people, I don't know if we have the clip.
Maybe my staff can dig it up on this.
Didn't they have a ceremony there, I think, a couple of years ago when they opened a new – What is the fear of the nationalists or the populist nationalist movement, nor you know it so well on an international basis, have a hesitancy.
This is supposed to be a temple for the highest form of science.
Remember, in the science, and particularly if you saw the movie Oppenheimer, the physicists consider themselves the high priest of science.
Everything else they kind of consider are poets.
This is a temple to the high priest of science and the physicists and the subatomic particle and in various endeavors like that.
Why are people, many people, so concerned about what goes on there?
And certainly some of the events that have taken place around there, particularly this opening they had a couple of years ago, ma'am.
noor bin laden
Well, there are many theories, not to say conspiracy theories, surrounding the CERN itself, just like many of these international globalist institutions.
But I would say that the recurring one is that underneath our feet, as Joe mentioned, there are these experiments taking place.
And the fear is that there will be a huge black hole that will be created and that will engulf us all.
But on a more pragmatic level, I would just say that what is not a conspiracy is that all of these institutions are essentially black holes for all of our taxpayer money.
joe allen
If I could add to that, Steve, that incident you're talking about, that was August of 2016, there was a recording of one of the areas here, apparently near where the interns stay, where they have a giant statue to Shiva, the expression of God as destroyer for the Hindus.
And some of the employees here got together in black robes and conducted what I believe was a mock human sacrifice on film.
And they say that it's just a prank.
I asked a few people here.
I asked our guide in particular.
He did not seem too pleased with the question.
I thought it was simply a playful question.
He did not think so.
noor bin laden
Very much off-limits topic, and we are not able to visit that part of CERN.
The complex of CERN is actually very big, and that particular zone is off-limits.
steve bannon
And by the way, hang on, we got some footage here.
noor bin laden
I think that's the Gotard tunnel.
That's something else.
That's actually also a ceremony that took place in Switzerland a few years back.
It was for the opening of the Gotard tunnel.
So that's actually not what took place here at CERN.
But many of these ceremonies are infused with absolutely demonic and satanic themes, whether you look at this video, the CERN video, the Olympics, obviously, the latest Olympics in Paris, the 2012 Olympics in London, which eerily enough had predictive programming scenes of a future pandemic.
So they like to put in all of this imagery to let us know what is coming, I guess, Joe?
joe allen
Either that or they're very, very good at anticipating the future.
steve bannon
Yeah, Joe, when you say Shiva, isn't that, didn't Oppenheimer use that quote about the destroyer at the very moment in the Trinity experiment when the bomb went off on the test bomb went off in New Mexico and they had the platform.
They were a couple of miles away.
At the very moment they realized it worked because there's a big question whether it's going to work.
He actually did that famous quote from the Hindu religion, Surah, which is about Shiva being the destroyer of all.
joe allen
Yes.
So interestingly enough, Steve, in my travels, I was just out at White Sands where they detonated the bomb.
Very eerie.
The silence is existential, you might say.
Yep, Oppenheimer, of course, taught himself Sanskrit because he was so obsessed with the various kinds of images of technological weaponry that one finds in the Mahabharata in the Bhagavad Gita.
As you say, you have Shiva appearing as Kali, the goddess of death, or just as death.
And so in that statement, as he watched the first man-made nuclear explosion over that desert, he said that the Sanskrit lines from the Bhagavad Gita came to his mind.
I am become death, destroyer of worlds.
I am become Kali.
I am become time, black.
And aside from whatever is going on in these near light speed particles whizzing beneath our feet, I think that it not only sends a chill down the spine given the crisis we now face in the midst of what seems to be the Third World War, but artificial intelligence should give people a similar sense of unease that maybe we're dealing with something far beyond our ability to control.
steve bannon
Okay, so later today, this ties it both together.
You had this very disturbing article in the Financial Times of London, and the White House has not come out, at least I'll ask my crack staff here.
I don't think they've come out right now and refuted it.
It is, folks, we have it up on Getter, and I think Grace has done it so that we could, that everybody can read it.
Even if you don't subscribe to the Financial Times of London, but it's very disturbing about a conversation President Trump had with Zelensky about the long-range missiles and could they actually hit St. Petersburg and Moscow?
And it talks about a group of American officials that have been very focused on quote-unquote taking the war to the Muscovites.
You know, Putin has, I think, addressed as late as last week about taking down the threshold for using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine if they run into some problems with NATO.
You couple that with in Pittsburgh today, and this is a great investment in America and trying to reindustrialization of our heartland.
And that's why they've chosen Pittsburgh.
And I think they have a reindustrialization conference in Detroit starting, I think, today and tomorrow also.
Both of these, though, are very much focused on artificial intelligence.
And there's $80 billion of investment in that.
As we know, and Dari, I've talked to a number of people at the senior level of some of these, the leaders in artificial intelligence, and they're quite concerned about the driving force of this, Joe, is still a lot of it is Pentagon and military use.
You saw yesterday where Grok looks like his contract.
I'm here to tell you that is absolutely not 100% true, right?
Particularly given the problems Grok has had, but that is a contract of $200 million that I think is going to be led for a number of AI initiatives.
But, Joe, the Pentagon is at the cutting edge of driving artificial intelligence.
And this is why The NVIDIA release today got some people concerned because the Chinese Communist Party is trying to weaponize artificial intelligence more rapidly than even the American defense community.
Your thoughts, sir?
We got about a minute before we go to break.
joe allen
In this very short time, I'll simply say that people should right now go and look up Super Intelligence Strategy by Dan Hendricks, Eric Schmidt, yeah, I know, and Alexander Wang.
I think that will really give you a sense of why it is so important that we not feed the Chinese chips, data, IP, any of it.
steve bannon
Guys, can you hang around?
I've got a lot more to get to.
Senator Hawley's going to join us.
MTG is going to join us, but I've got a lot more I want to discuss with you guys at CERN, including more artificial intelligence, more aspects of CERN, and Noor Bin Laden's favorite, the World Health Organization, and what's happening over there.
Frank Gaffney had a really good Frank Gaffney minute this morning.
I've given it to Noor and want her observations and comments.
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That's a long way from getting it passed.
It's only $9.4 billion.
It's quite symbolic, but that's going to be tough.
We're going to need people up making calls and talking to folks about getting this passed.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Man.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Election Wizard, which goes and gets these clips all the time, is reporting now breaking news from the White House.
This is from the White House.
Financial Times misconstrued President Trump's statement to Zelensky.
We don't think deeper than that, but I knew if we put it up and made it an item that we might get a response out of this because a response is needed.
And I hope the White House pushes back on this hard and really clarifies what President Trump said.
Senator Hawley, your thoughts and observations of yesterday with the announcement of the selling to NATO of long-range offensive missiles to the Ukrainians, I know you've been a big skeptic about this entire Ukraine situation from the beginning, sir.
josh hawley
Yeah, I have.
Here's my view on this.
If we're going to be sending more arms to Ukraine, I'm glad that we're getting paid for them.
I mean, that's, I think, an important point here.
I don't think that we should be just doing this gratis.
We spend hundreds of billions of dollars, as you know, Steve, sending weapons to Ukraine.
I mean, you just think about what would that do for veterans health care in our country?
What would that do for working people in our country?
So I think we need to start driving a lot tougher bargain.
The president now saying we're going to get compensated for any weapons that we send, I think it's a good first step.
I continue to believe, however, that we need to say to our NATO allies in Europe that, guys, really, this continent has got to be your responsibility in the first instance.
They have got to step up and do a heck of a lot more than they are doing.
And the president got them to increase their defense spending, which is a huge victory.
But I think we need to have them do even more.
And I just continue to be concerned, Steve, that we don't want to get embroiled in a long-term forever war on the continent of Europe.
The president, I think, wants to bring this war to a conclusion.
Putin needs to be put back into his box, but the Europeans have got to be, they've got to take the lead in doing that and be responsible for it.
steve bannon
Your constituents in Missouri are overrepresented in the military in volunteering as patriots.
What's the sense of your folks back in your home state about this situation?
josh hawley
Well, nobody wants to see troops on the ground.
I mean, you think about our folks who are actually there.
I mean, in the service, wearing the uniform, nobody wants to see American troops on the ground here.
And this is something that I've always been concerned with, particularly, frankly, under the last administration, because it has sounded for a long time to me a lot like Vietnam, where we start sending, first we send weapons and then we send advisors.
And I think we're already at that point, Steve.
And then pretty soon after that, it becomes, well, you know, we need to actually send troops just to make sure.
And then pretty soon we're completely embroiled in it.
So, you know, I trust President Trump.
I think he will, I'm confident he would never want to see American troops on the ground.
I can't imagine that.
I'm glad he's getting us paid for the weapons.
I think we've got to, as I was just saying, I think we've got, though, to push hard here to get the Europeans stepping up and actually taking the lead on this.
This is their continent.
And the truth is, if you look at our threats overseas, put aside our border for the second, which is our biggest immediate threat.
But if you look overseas at our threats there, it is China and the Asia Pacific that is our biggest threat.
Russia is second to that.
And we've got to focus where our biggest overseas threat is.
And right now, that's China, which means our European allies, they're the ones who really got to do more here.
steve bannon
I want to make sure we get to two things before you got to bounce and appreciate the time.
Number one, you've been all over this AutoPen situation.
It's just becoming now front page news.
What in the hell is going on and what can you do about it?
josh hawley
Well, what needs to happen, a couple of things.
I mean, first of all, we need to call the person.
We now have the name of the person who managed the AutoPen under Biden.
I believe the individual is a woman.
She needs to be called before Congress, put under oath, testify in public.
We need to hear from her.
We need to know exactly what did he authorize?
When did he authorize it?
I suspect the truth is, Steve, he didn't authorize anything, which would be like the scandal of the century.
We need to know that.
Number two, there is supposed to be a paper trail.
You know, we had a hearing on this in the Senate a couple of weeks ago.
To me, the big revelation out of that hearing was every time the auto pen is used, there's supposed to be an explicit paper trail.
The president has to, at a minimum, give verbal consent to use it, and a record is made of that.
So let's get all the documents.
Let's see them.
They Should be in Biden's archives.
They ought to be in his papers.
We need to go get them.
If Biden's not going to release them voluntarily, Congress ought to subpoena those documents and get them and put them out in public.
Where's the paper trail?
Who authorized the use of the pen?
That's what we need to be getting after.
steve bannon
I think you're right.
The scale of the scandal here is pretty mind-boggling if he didn't really know, and it doesn't seem like he did.
Another scandal that you've been at the front of pushing to get some answers is the FBI files on the President Trump's one-year anniversary of the assassination attempt.
It's kind of stunning.
We don't really know a lot about this guy.
We don't know the family.
The father hasn't been arrested or charged.
It's pretty stunning, even the investigation, but we don't really have any records.
What is your recommendation there?
josh hawley
My recommendation is we declassify Homeland Security, Department of Homeland Security, declassify all of the records relating to the Butler assassination attempt and this guy, Thomas Matthew Crooks.
We need to know everything there is to know about it.
Here's the deal, Steve, a year on from this thing, where the president's nearly killed on national television.
It's a miracle of God that he survives.
A year after this, still pretty much most of what we know is based on whistleblowers.
And I want to thank again the brave whistleblowers.
I talked to so many of them over the last year who came forward to me and to other offices, but I think we had more than anybody, Secret Service, FBI, Homeland Security, who came forward and gave us a picture of what was going on.
But Steve, the travesty is a year later, were it not for those whistleblowers, I think we'd still know basically nothing.
That really is just not acceptable.
And so I would just call on the Homeland Security Department, Secretary Noam.
She's a great patriot.
I would call on her to declassify all of the information.
We need to see all of it.
And you know what?
If that makes some people look bad, so be it.
We may need to do some house cleaning.
And the fact that nobody has been fired, nobody at Secret Service, you just about lost to president twice, actually, and nobody has been fired.
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Boy, there's a problem.
steve bannon
Real quickly, we only got about a minute.
I just want to make sure you're saying all the vital information that we really have come from whistleblowers, not the official apparatus itself.
josh hawley
Correct.
Yeah, that's correct.
Almost every, you look at the reports.
There's a recent report out from the Homeland Security Committee came out a couple of days ago.
Almost all of that information was initially given to us by whistleblowers.
It was whistleblowers who told us that the roof of the AGR building was abandoned, and they were right.
It was whistleblowers who said the Secret Service refused the offer of drones from local law enforcement.
I'll just be honest with you, Steve.
It was a local law enforcement agent who told me that.
And you know what?
That was exactly correct.
Secret Service did refuse drone help.
Whistleblowers told us that there were not going to be counter snipers.
Secret Service wasn't even planning to send them.
That turns out to be correct.
All of this stuff we know from whistleblowers, where are the official records?
It's time we get the official stuff and everything.
You know, his apps, Thomas Crooks' apps now have been accessed by FBI.
Let's see it.
Hey, we're not going to prosecute the guy.
He's dead.
Let's see all the information.
steve bannon
Senator, where do people go to get you?
Where's your social media?
josh hawley
HollyMoe is my Twitter handle.
Same for Instagram, Facebook.
You can go to joshholly.com.
As always, thanks for having me, Steve.
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