June 25, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the final screen of a dying beast. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| Because we're going to be the evil on these people. | ||
| Even though I'm not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything you want to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| Mega Media. | ||
| I wish, in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Matt. | ||
| It's Wednesday, 25 Junior Year of our Lord 2025. | ||
| By the way, here at the War Room, we've got a little activity going on, doing a little redesign. | ||
| So we'll have to work through this because we're trying to get something done quick. | ||
| Raheem Kassami here, the 12-day war. | ||
| President Trump just gave a press conference in the Netherlands. | ||
| I call it the, I guess they're having an agreement signed, the Hague Agreement. | ||
| They're talking about 5% for NATO spending, which is massive. | ||
| President Trump has won a massive victory there to get the NATO countries to start to pull their weight, which is pretty extraordinary. | ||
| Big win there. | ||
| Most importantly, the 12-day war is over, right? | ||
| So for Tel Aviv, Levin, and the people that are the town criers for the Netanyahu regime, bad news. | ||
| The war is over. | ||
| Not going to be any more American involvement. | ||
| No more regime change. | ||
| No more support for any regime change. | ||
| President Trump is done, one and done. | ||
| He couldn't have been more adamant about that. | ||
| Massive political earthquake last night in New York City. | ||
| You saw this coming for many decades, Raheem Qassam. | ||
| So I want to tie together the end of the 12-day war and President Trump being adamant about it. | ||
| The place is obliterated. | ||
| We did our duty. | ||
| We're moving on. | ||
| And I don't even know if we're going to get him to sign a piece of paper. | ||
| He looked like he couldn't be bothered, right? | ||
| He said, end of the bloody war. | ||
| I hope the ceasefire keeps up. | ||
| But we're out to what happened in New York City last night. | ||
| Steve, I don't know if we've got the meme up that I found online earlier, but somebody overnight put together this meme of the Statue of Liberty draped in a hijab or a niqab. | ||
| And immediately when I saw that, I was like, yes, I've seen that image somewhere before. | ||
| And that image happened to be on the front cover of my book from 2016 called No Go Zones, How Sharia is Coming to a Neighborhood Near You. | ||
| And New York City did not take one step towards it yesterday. | ||
| It took one giant leap towards it yesterday. | ||
| And, you know, I would like to get into the man more because I think a fascinating character and a fascinating telltale story about how not to do mass migration. | ||
| This guy has been here since, I think, 1999, but only got citizenship in 2018 when he figured that he wanted to run for something. | ||
| This guy belongs to a group of Muslims called the Twelvers, who believe that to this day, there is a 1,200-year-old living prophet on earth who is in hiding and is going to come out at some point soon and proselytize Islam the world over. | ||
| And I've yet to hear any reporters on the campaign trail in New York put these questions to him and say, hey, you know, do you really, are you from this? | ||
| Do you really believe in this stuff? | ||
| Because he's affirmed his belief in that sector of Islam, Ishanashri Shia Islam. | ||
| But the voters of New York haven't actually got to grips with who this guy is. | ||
| When he came here, what's he doing? | ||
| What does he believe in? | ||
| And Steve, I know you don't believe in ChatGPT or anything like that. | ||
| But I actually asked ChatGPT this morning about this to see what it had to say. | ||
| And it replied, this is textbook Red-Green Alliance, the fusion of hard-left revolutionaries and Islamist movements. | ||
| What unites them? | ||
| Not shared values, but a shared enemy. | ||
| Western liberal democracy, nationalism, Christianity, capitalism, and the traditional family. | ||
| The red side wants to dismantle systems of capitalism and Western power. | ||
| The green side wants to replace them with Islamic governance and moral codes. | ||
| Together, they agree on the destruction of the existing order, even if they violently disagree on what should come after. | ||
| And I think if woke AI is coming out with that, then is it incumbent on this message to reach every single New Yorker to reject this man, to reject what he stands for? | ||
| And I have to tell you, am I surprised? | ||
| No, I predicted it a decade ago. | ||
| Many predicted it before that. | ||
| I mean, there have been forerunners on this stuff for decades and decades. | ||
| You know, the Robert Spencers of the world, Melanie Phillips of the world, Daniel Pipes, all of these guys who kind of I came up with talking about this Christopher. | ||
| The Pamela Gellers. | ||
| Pamela Geller, absolutely, for years and years, but it is here. | ||
| As the subtitle of the book goes, it has come to a neighborhood near you. | ||
| His parents also, I think his father's a lecturer in this. | ||
| I mean, this is the parents of radicals. | ||
| He's a radical. | ||
| The media never exposed it. | ||
| It's the Red Grand Alliance. | ||
| And there's a tweet up that the Hispanic, I think, in the Asian community voted against it. | ||
| He was basically driven by, it looks like, white progressives, college-educated progressives were the key in back of his campaign, Raheem? | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| I mean, naturally, increasingly, as President Trump showed, black and Hispanic Americans kind of want nothing to do with hardline, left-wing, woke, and Marxist revolutionary politics, right? | ||
| Like, Hispanics have been fleeing that for decades on decades now. | ||
| Black people In America, have been voting for it and living with it in major American cities run by Democrats for decades now and got nothing to show for it. | ||
| Nothing to show for it. | ||
| And President Trump came along, and of course, he said, you know, what do you have to lose? | ||
| And that message finally got across. | ||
| It didn't get across right back in 2020 necessarily, but it got across this time, right? | ||
| And remember, this time, this election around, this last election around, you didn't have the mass mail-in ballots and the ballot harvesting situation that we had during COVID. | ||
| So the will of the people was actually more fairly represented in this election, and you could see it, especially in Hispanic and black communities. | ||
| But of course, it's the white progressive liberals in a place like New York City. | ||
| Of course, it's the ethno-nationalist, you know, South Asian and Middle Eastern communities who want Mamdani to run as if it's a referendum on Gaza, right? | ||
| In Midtown Manhattan, in the West Village, in Staten Island, in Lock Island. | ||
| A referendum on Gaza is what's taking place now for these people. | ||
| And if you think you're going to get good governance, I saw somebody else sent a tweet. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| It said, you know, the thing is, Mandani has claimed that he's going to bring down prices in New York because prices are out of control. | ||
| Average apartment size is out of control. | ||
| You know, 300 square foot for $6,000 a month kind of thing. | ||
| He's talking about rent control, grocery stores owned by the government, all of these Caracas-style policies that have failed the world over, time and time again. | ||
| But somebody said the funny thing is he will bring prices down. | ||
| Once everyone leaves, there will be no demand and prices will come down. | ||
| How is this to be stopped by the Eric Adams? | ||
| What's the best way to, because folks, this is the financial capital of the world. | ||
| And this guy's not a socialist. | ||
| I think he's more of a communist. | ||
| Not saying, hey, his communist take is any worse than a socialist take. | ||
| But this is the Red-Green Alliance, radical jihad with almost communist economic policy. | ||
| Is Eric Adams, because Cuomo is talking about running as an independent, you know, Cuomo got powdered last night. | ||
| Eric Adams didn't even run the Democratic primary. | ||
| Is it an Eric Adams or Cuomo that can beat this guy? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, and it's a weird situation because then, of course, you've got, you know, you've got a Republican apparatus and a conservative apparatus up there who will not feel necessarily comfortable about voting for somebody like Cuomo or even Adams to keep Mamdani out. | ||
| But then, you know, what are you going to, and no offense, like I love Curtis Leewa. | ||
| He is the absolute man. | ||
| But what are you going to do in that situation when you know necessarily that ain't going to be a winning vote that you're casting? | ||
| Do you stay true to voting your principal, the party, your candidate, or do you do this thing? | ||
| Well, because, hey, listen, it's very clear what Mamdani is doing. | ||
| He's put together this unholy alliance, right? | ||
| I mean, he's going out there on the one hand saying he's a 12 Muslim. | ||
| And on the other hand, he's saying he's for LGBT rights. | ||
| I mean, firstly, the funny thing about Twelverism is they allow for no abrogation. | ||
| You cannot pick and choose from the Quran if you identify as one of these guys. | ||
| And so he's coming along going, no, but I can't pick and choose. | ||
| So, you know, me personally, if I was running a campaign against him, I would drive this wedge through his campaign over and over and over again. | ||
| To say, hey, look, the progressives and the liberals and the crazies, the white progressives in New York who are voting for this guy because you think he believes in trans rights, his guy is a 12 of Muslim. | ||
| And to the 12 of Muslims, and these Asians around him are voting for him, to say to them, hey, wait a minute, this is shirk. | ||
| This is haram. | ||
| This is against what he's being taught in the Quran. | ||
| This is against the religion he claims to have been brought up in. | ||
| And you're going to vote for this guy? | ||
| There's ways and ways to do this thing. | ||
| I don't think it gets over by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
| He does have a very sophisticated campaign. | ||
| This is like Obama 2.0. | ||
| This guy, it's a very sophisticated data. | ||
| He had, I think he sent, somebody told me he sent mailers out in 24 separate languages. | ||
| You know, you invite the third world, you're going to be the third world. | ||
| This is what it's showing you. | ||
| Almost 25 years after 9-11, and I know, Rahim, you're very close to the charities and all the good work people are still doing in memory of 9-11 and the victims in the city. | ||
| 25 years after 9-11, you're going to elect New York City put up in a Democratic primary. | ||
| It used to be the working class of New York City. | ||
| Put up the Red-Green Alliance, a radical Muslim with a socialist. | ||
| Raheem, before I let you go, also, this has national implications, obviously, but go back to the press conference. | ||
| President Trump dropped a couple of bombshells on Ukraine. | ||
| And folks, remember, before Fox News and Tel Aviv Levin and that crowd were promoting Israel first, they were promoting Ukraine first. | ||
| Remember, one of the reasons we're in this war at the level we're in it is support of Fox News until we broke their back on that vote on Ukraine funding and McConnell stepped down. | ||
| The president's actually said a couple of things on Ukraine I thought were pretty surprising, particularly about Patriot missiles, sir. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know, he has to be a bit non-committal with this stuff, but at the same time, show, you know, he's at NATO at the end of the day, right? | ||
| And he has to show that there is at least a willingness for the United States to listen to these pleas, to listen to these questions. | ||
| By the way, it's not just a plea, it's an offer, right? | ||
| They're offering to buy them. | ||
| They're not asking for them for free anymore. | ||
| I'm extremely frustrated. | ||
| I know, you know, President Trump was speaking with President Putin the other day and Putin asked him, you know, do you need help with Iran? | ||
| He says, no, I don't need help with Iran. | ||
| I need help with you. | ||
| He's extremely frustrated about the lack of movement on either side in the Ukraine-Russia thing. | ||
| But I think at the same time, he knows that if you start arming up Ukraine again in the same fashion that Biden was, pouring bad money off to bad and sending more America, you know, there is a finite number of these weapon systems, by the way, and the munitions, by the way. | ||
| These are not infinite. | ||
| You can't just pump these things out willy-nilly. | ||
| And he knows that he has to kind of talk that talk right now. | ||
| Because look, Putin's watching this, right? | ||
| And he's like, okay, well, if he's not going to sell them anything, then we can pretty much keep going the way we're going. | ||
| This is way more difficult, I think, than most people realized at the outset. | ||
| So I have a great level of sympathy towards him, and I share his frustration. | ||
| Raheem, where do people go to get to the National Pulse? | ||
| Where do they go to Gidger's social media? | ||
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| You can get it pinned at the top of my ex-channel, Raheem Kassam. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Thank you, Raheem. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| Sam Faddis, Colonel Derek Harvey, our own Ben Harnwell. | ||
| Maybe a little Jack Pasovic also. | ||
| As we get into the second hour, a magnificent press conference from NATO. | ||
| Also, great remarks by President Trump. | ||
| He has Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. | ||
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American faith In America's heart In America's heart Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| Okay, we got a lot to go through. | ||
| We're going to get through it all. | ||
| So Ben Hardenwell from Rome, you've been our lead guy on all things Ukraine. | ||
| Do you agree with Raheem Qassam's assessment of what President Trump said on the policy part of the Ukraine situation? | ||
| Well, look, let's just refer specifically once again to what President Trump said. | ||
| He was asked a question about the Patriot missiles, the U.S. Patriot missiles, whether he would provide them to Ukraine. | ||
| He sat down at the NATO summit with a suited Vladimir Zelensky. | ||
| Zelensky obviously pushed him to supply these U.S. Patriot missiles and then presumably leaked that to the press, hence the question. | ||
| And President Trump responded saying two things. | ||
| First of all, he said, well, we know we need these Patriots as well for our own uses. | ||
| But he said, look, they want some Patriot missiles and we're going to try and get them some. | ||
| They've offered to pay for it. | ||
| So we're going to try and get them some. | ||
| That obviously got my ears up because earlier on in the press conference, Steve, he said, he confirmed to one of the journalists' questions that it was sarcasm. | ||
| He said, of course it was sarcasm when he said he would end this war within the first 24 hours. | ||
| Look, I like to think, Steve, I'm a relatively astute observer of international affairs. | ||
| I'm not always right, but I do give these things a lot of attention. | ||
| I spend about 14 hours a day reading some, I don't know, 800, 900,000 articles a day of everything around the world. | ||
| I follow these things attentively. | ||
| I have my cynical BDI, Steve, on these things. | ||
| I saw President Trump's repeated affirmations that he was going to end this war within 24 hours. | ||
| Look, I'm British. | ||
| I understand sarcasm. | ||
| I did not take those statements in the election campaign as sarcasm. | ||
| I took those as a serious declaration of intent of what he would do. | ||
| He even said at some point that he's going to end the war before he period between the November elections and the inauguration. | ||
| I did not take that comment as sarcasm. | ||
| And I know a lot of people, because I read all of the comments posted on Getter, Steve, I know a lot of people who voted for him didn't take that as sarcasm. | ||
| So when he says that he's going to be supplying US Patriot missiles to Zelensky, Zelensky, there's no way to see that other than as at least a rhetorical escalation. | ||
| And I don't mean to say that that's not attacking President Trump remotely. | ||
| That's just simply, I think, an objective reading of what he is. | ||
| Whether he follows through, of course, and supplies, because we are in the fog of war, whether he follows through and supplies those missiles to Zelensky or not is an objective. | ||
| I think you've got to put it in the perspective of you've got, he said 7,000 Ukrainians died last week. | ||
| The Russians have not really stopped their offensive. | ||
| He's trying to negotiate with Putin and try to get a Russian rapprochement. | ||
| You know, I'm not crazy about the Patriot missiles to Ukraine. | ||
| I want to disengage as quickly as possible. | ||
| However, I think he's telling you, just like he shut down the 12-day war, there may be some things he has to do that the MAGA base and other people that want more disengagement, more focus here, he's going to have to do to bring it to a conclusion. | ||
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Let's go to the 12-day war. | |
| I mean, he was adamant. | ||
| They were asked to do the nuclear enhancement of weaponization because it's both a scientific and an industrial process. | ||
| He did it. | ||
| He obliterated it. | ||
| The damage on it is terrible. | ||
| And they're out. | ||
| There's no more regime change. | ||
| It's one and done. | ||
| 12-day war is over. | ||
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Your thoughts on that? | |
| Well, I'll take the president's word for it that these sites were obliterated. | ||
| And I'm perfectly happy to take his word for it, though I haven't seen any damage assessment reports on this at this stage. | ||
| What I will say is this. | ||
| I repeat what I said before. | ||
| I follow these things very, very closely, especially everything taking place in the MAGA world. | ||
| And I've never seen this movement as people dissenting publicly from the president on this issue. | ||
| I think it will be evaluated at some future stage whether the dissent in MAGA World, especially within that faction of MAGA World, which is America First, of people coming out who've never whispered a word against the President before, coming out very forcefully criticizing him for this bombardment. | ||
| It will take a future evaluation to see whether it was worth it. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| He says done. | ||
| I just don't agree with that. | ||
| He says done. | ||
| He's moving on. | ||
| They're going to do a further bomb damage assessment, but these guys are pretty confident they did it. | ||
| Just hang on. | ||
| We're going to get you back in there. | ||
| I'm not trying to suppress dissent. | ||
| Ben Harnerwell's always got a different take on things. | ||
| Number one, he's British. | ||
| Number two, he lives in Rome. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So just hang on there, Ben. | ||
| Sam Fattis, the Washington Post, and President Trump was adamant. | ||
| The initial bomb assessment said at least severe damage. | ||
| He's got other people say obliterated. | ||
| He's saying it obliterated. | ||
| The 12-day war is over. | ||
| He's not looking for a peace agreement. | ||
| He said he may put Marco in it. | ||
| I think he said he's going to actually meet with some people. | ||
| He was pretty open about no secondary sanctions. | ||
| The Persians are able to ship oil to the CCP. | ||
| He says they need cash. | ||
| There's no regime change there. | ||
| He's not talking about putting ground troops in, even people to go in and check out the damage. | ||
| The MAGA movement, hey, take the win and go. | ||
| I realize a lot of people are upset about the bombing itself, but President Trump's adamant. | ||
| And I think it's more important than ever to have his back about this because he doesn't want to be dragging this thing anymore. | ||
| However, Sam, and you wrote a brilliant piece or took a first cut at it on your substack, the Ann Magazine substack, the Washington Post, and if Denver could put this up, the Washington Post can be nothing less than a brutal story, investigative report, and it looks like it's pretty well reported because it got a lot of quotes in there from a lot of people, principally in Jerusalem or associated with Israel. | ||
| And this gets to why the briefings by DNI and CIA were canceled yesterday. | ||
| I don't believe they were canceled because of the bomb damage assessment. | ||
| I think they were canceled because CIA does not have a good answer for the question that this article poses. | ||
| Now, the headline of this article is Netanyahu decided on Iran war last year, then sought to recruit Trump. | ||
| And what it goes through is, and by the way, if you're an Israel-first guy like Tel Aviv Levin and that crowded Fox, this makes perfect sense. | ||
| And we're a big believer, not just in Israel, but Israel should do what's in its own best interest for its national defense and its national security. | ||
| And it's been running the tables lately. | ||
| But Sam, it gets down to that crucial moment last Thursday, what, 10 days ago, when they came in with intelligence, CIA and I think Mossad, that said there was a breakout moment coming and they had to go and they had to bomb. | ||
| This article certainly doesn't point to that, does it, sir? | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| And that doesn't mean that I'm, you know, I agree with you. | ||
| It seems to be a well-researched article. | ||
| I don't certainly not the case always with the Washington Post. | ||
| But look, I think it raises a lot of good questions and it's disturbing and we need answers to that. | ||
| I think we need answers in general to what the heck just happened. | ||
| The President of the United States Commander-in-Chief, he doesn't get to just hit the pause button and take all the time he needs to sort everything out, right? | ||
| You've got to, you understand this as having been a military officer. | ||
| I understand it. | ||
| You've got to make decisions. | ||
| You've got what information you've got. | ||
| You got what advice you've got. | ||
| And you don't get to just punt. | ||
| So you make the best decisions in the interest of the country at the time. | ||
| Okay, we did that. | ||
| Now I think we really need to walk through this and say, okay, wait, there's a whole bunch of questions here, as I put in my article that we put out today. | ||
| I mean, let's start with Fordow, this obsession with we got to go in, we got to bomb Fordow. | ||
| We're the only guys that can do it. | ||
| Well, not to get lost in the weeds of how you build a nuclear weapon, but that enrichment facility at Fordow is not the whole Iranian nuclear program. | ||
| If they were actually about two weeks from having an operational nuke, actually having, it's unclear how many, nine to 15, according to the Israeli. | ||
| All right, well, they got everything they needed out of Fordow a long time ago because that's enriched uranium gas. | ||
| Then you got to turn it into metal. | ||
| You got to machine it, yada, yada. | ||
| You got to put it into a device with neutron initiator and wiring harnesses and all the other crap nobody cares about. | ||
| But the point is, that all takes time. | ||
| So bombing Fordow would, while it might be a great idea, because it stops more uranium from being enriched, would not end the immediate threat. | ||
| That enriched uranium would have already, at the time Netanyahu started this, likely been moved somewhere else. | ||
| So why were we told that Fordow was a screaming emergency? | ||
| And if they moved it somewhere else, where the heck did they move it? | ||
| And did the Israelis bomb that? | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| And has there been bomb damage assessment there? | ||
| There's a lot of questions like that here to say, wait a second. | ||
| And you know my opinion on this. | ||
| The fact that we are relying so much on intelligence from a foreign country, even a close ally, leaves me feeling really, really uncomfortable. | ||
| That's not how this should go. | ||
| The president needs his own intelligence resources. | ||
| worked at the CIA. | ||
| I mean, and this is why I think the administration, look, The bombing has taken place. | ||
| They're adamant about it is obliterated. | ||
| And he just said right there, one and done, we're gone. | ||
| There's no more regime change he's talking about in Persia. | ||
| If the Persian people want to do it, fine. | ||
| But he's out. | ||
| I don't think that could be more definitive. | ||
| And I know for the Tel Aviv, Levin crowd, and all the people that represent a foreign government or speak for a foreign government or cheerleaders for a foreign government over at Fox. | ||
| I know that's going to break your heart. | ||
| All the regime change, and people went boots in the ground. | ||
| President Trump couldn't be harder. | ||
| But Sam, I'll come back to you. | ||
| We take a short commercial break. | ||
| But this thing's pretty adamant that it was about the air defenses that the Israelis knocked down being rebuilt. | ||
| They had an opportunity because they're knocked down. | ||
| And General Carrilla at CENCOM, because you know what a beast CENCOM is, is set to retire, I think, July 1. And this is why we're calling for whatever information the CIA has and the Mossad has to be put forward about exactly what this breakout moment was. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to be back in the war room in just a moment. | ||
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| From Capitol Hill, saying that everything had been suspended since 2003 and had not restarted, that the nuclear program had not been restarted by the Iranians. | ||
| So did something change from end of March until this week? | ||
| Was the U.S. intel wrong? | ||
| The intel we got and we shared with the United States was absolutely clear. | ||
| It was absolutely clear that they were working in a secret plan to weaponize the uranium. | ||
| They were marching very quickly. | ||
| They would achieve a test device and possibly an initial device within months and certainly less than a year. | ||
| That was the intel we shared with the United States. | ||
| I think we have excellent intel in Iran. | ||
| I think we've proven that. | ||
| And that is something that we couldn't possibly accept. | ||
| Whether it would be six months or 12 months or 13 months is immaterial. | ||
| Once they go that route, it's too late. | ||
| And we will not have a second Holocaust, a nuclear Holocaust. | ||
| We already had one in the previous century. | ||
| The Jewish state is not going to have the Holocaust made it on the Jewish people. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| It's never again. | ||
| It's now, and we have to act now. | ||
| Okay, Sam, correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| The Washington Post story, and I realize it's the Bezos Amazon Washington Post, but this thing has not been refuted yet. | ||
| This article puts a lie to that statement, correct? | ||
| About what Netanyahu said. | ||
| And even in Netanyahu's pitch, it's a year away. | ||
| Is it not, sir? | ||
| Yeah, there is the issue, as you've pointed out from the beginning, of depending on which Israeli is speaking at what time, how immediate this threat is, seems to bounce all over the place from 12, you know, from two weeks to a year. | ||
| But yeah, the Washington Post article clearly says that this is a lot. | ||
| What the Washington Post article says to me is we got played. | ||
| Now, you can believe that. | ||
| You cannot believe that. | ||
| You can take pieces of that, but that basically the Israelis ran the game on us. | ||
| And the answer to this, I know I'm the broken record, the answer to this is you don't have a president who's left in the position where he doesn't have his own intelligence people telling him what is real, like that he can count on. | ||
| So if the Israelis come and tell us something and it's not accurate, he can nod and smile and do whatever he wants, but he knows, yeah, look, man, I got better intelligence than you. | ||
| I know that you're playing with me and I'm not going to react. | ||
| Or if there really is a threat, you know what the real answer is? | ||
| The CIA should have come to him before Netanyahu ever got to him and said, we got to act. | ||
| But one way or the other, we got to have our own sources and our own people. | ||
| We cannot let a foreign nation, no matter how close an ally, tell us what to do and lead us around. | ||
| Supposedly the CIA, and I think this is why they didn't go to Capitol Hill because they don't have their story right now. | ||
| I think the CIA and Ratcliffe may have agreed or put that in front of the president. | ||
| Isn't this why you need a Team B? | ||
| Doesn't the president need, I don't know if it's J.D. Vance or somebody, obviously he's close to Marco, Pete, but somebody who's got the intelligence vertical that's coming to him. | ||
| But this is what Reagan did to avoid what happened to Carter and the disaster in, guess what, in Iran with the hostage, the failed hostage rescue, which crushed Carter in the election and forever is hung on him as far as being a loser goes. | ||
| Bill Casey, who was a Wall Street deal guy, set up a Team B immediately so President Reagan would always have an independent assessment that intelligence was coming to him. | ||
| Because when they stepped in there, as you remember, Sam, very well, and I think you outline booked, Casey and those guys didn't really think the CIA was doing a good job of giving information to Nixon into other people, correct? | ||
| And so they set up a Team B. Is that not what President Trump needs now, sir? | ||
| Yeah, you need the people who are going to ask the hard questions and aren't just going to go with sort of the group dynamics and the conventional wisdom. | ||
| And the way the bureaucracy ends up defaulting to making statements that sound definitive but aren't. | ||
| So if you'd asked the intelligence community the day before 9-11, are there any intelligence threats? | ||
| Are we about to get hit? | ||
| They would have said something to the effect of, we have no current intelligence of any threats to the homeland. | ||
| Which sounds like we're good to go, but actually what it means is we don't have any intelligence. | ||
| We don't know anything, is what they're saying. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You make these assessments about the status of the Iranian nuclear program. | ||
| Is that because you got a bunch of guys and us saying basically there is none, there's nothing to worry about. | ||
| Is that because you got six guys on the payroll at the top of that program and you've got it covered? | ||
| Or is that because you got no access at all? | ||
| You don't have any idea what's going on? | ||
| In other words, you don't see that they have a nuclear program. | ||
| Those are two dramatically different things. | ||
| Again, if you don't know the right questions to ask and you don't kind of push back on these briefings, yeah, the room will be filled with smoke and you will be led astray. | ||
| Sam, where do people go to get your analysis of this over at Ann Magazine? | ||
| I know you're on Substack and we want your social media also. | ||
| Annmagazine.substack.com. | ||
| I'm on Twitter as real Sam Fattis. | ||
| I am on Truth Social as Real Sam Fattis on Getter as well. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Appreciate you writing that and doing that analysis for Scott. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Everybody's got to read this. | ||
| Grace and Mo, if you can push it out hard into all the chats. | ||
| Derek Harvey. | ||
| So one of the reasons the ceasefire came, and President Trump has said we're done. | ||
| The 12-day war is over. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And the American bombing raid settled it. | ||
| The industrial in the scientific process. | ||
| There'll be other bomb damage assessment, but he said it's done. | ||
| And he said they've got Israeli guys that have put eyeballs on it, but it's done. | ||
| But you get back to the actual beginning of this. | ||
| And did the Israelis bite, the Netanyahu bite off Maury can shoot? | ||
| You got to talk about, because they talk about ballistic missiles. | ||
| It just wasn't the nuclear program. | ||
| His other objective was the ballistic missiles. | ||
| The United States from the beginning stepped in here where they were taking them out to defend Israel, the state of Israel, and the people of Israel. | ||
| Correct, Eric? | ||
| And they have a very sophisticated system, but it was overwhelmed. | ||
| And if it wasn't for the Americans stepping in here with their Aegis and the early Burke cruisers and other aspects, it could have been, and it was a pretty big disaster. | ||
| The citizens of Israel got hit particularly hard in Haifa and particularly in Tel Aviv. | ||
| Can you just walk us through a quick overview of the system and how we were able to kind of plug the holes? | ||
| Well, yes, I will. | ||
| First off, you know, I think there was a level of coordination heading up to the end of the 60-day period of negotiations, and Israel struck, you know, the very next day. | ||
| And from the Israeli perspective, you know, they were marching towards war in all likelihood because sequentially they had negated the missile threat really from Gaza. | ||
| And then next step was Hezbollah with their 150,000 rockets. | ||
| And then the Houthis. | ||
| And Iran has always relied on those. | ||
| And during that whole process, when Iran fired, they had a retaliation. | ||
| And the Israelis took out the whole air defense system in reality for Iran. | ||
| So from a defensive perspective, it made the threat to them much more limited, and then they could really focus on Iran. | ||
| And from the Iranian perspective, they have a lot of capabilities, hypersonic ballistic missiles. | ||
| They've been working on ICBMs. | ||
| They've got the long-range drones. | ||
| But for the Israelis, they've got Patriot Pac-3s. | ||
| They've got Arrow, they've got the Iron Dome. | ||
| But they still needed our support. | ||
| And that came from Aegis cruisers off the coast. | ||
| It came from our relocating that theater air ballistic missile defense. | ||
| It came from the layered capabilities that we had in the Gulf and elsewhere that could support. | ||
| And then for the drones, our Air Force actually provided a lot of shoot-down capability, and we helped coordinate the ability to fly and counter these threats over airspace between Iran and Israel. | ||
| But they could not have defended themselves without the support of the United States and the permissions given. | ||
| And secondly, if you're looking at it from Iran's perspective, you only had one really array coming in to Israel from Iranian territory, which made it easier to target. | ||
| If they would have had to defend against Hezbollah and the Houthis in Gaza, it would have been overwhelming for them. | ||
| And so that's a lesson learned, that it's not just the nuke, as you mentioned, Steve. | ||
| They have to be able to defend in the future against these missiles, which will be rebuilt. | ||
| These capabilities will, in all likelihood, be expanded and rebuilt, and they're going to learn lessons in Tehran about how to prepare for the next time. | ||
| But there probably will be a next time, but here's the point of, and we believe in Israel first. | ||
| We think American citizens ought to be pushing America first. | ||
| And you don't see that at Fox News, and particularly you don't see that with Tel Aviv, Levin, and that crowd. | ||
| They're going to push Israel first. | ||
| And here's the problem. | ||
| Three things. | ||
| Number one, this story, unless it's refuted, shows that there was no urgency. | ||
| The new intelligence was very garbled. | ||
| But the two things stand out. | ||
| They definitely knew the air defenses were down. | ||
| They had knocked them out. | ||
| And they had an opportunity before they got rebuilt. | ||
| And they knew Corrilla at CENACOM was one of their biggest supporters and had already worked through the battle plan. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And I have no problem with that. | ||
| If they're putting Israel first, that's what they're supposed to. | ||
| Netanyahu's government is supposed to put Israel first. | ||
| It's supposed to defend Israel. | ||
| But that in starting the initiative in the sense of urgency, that they didn't have the capability, and it wasn't really even seem as a priority to take out the nuclear weapons. | ||
| This was all driven to regime change. | ||
| That's why they went to the upsell immediately. | ||
| And number three, they didn't have the defensive capabilities. | ||
| That's why on the 12th day or the 11th day, President Trump stepped in for the ceasefire. | ||
| The Israelis were getting pounded. | ||
| Pounded. | ||
| And it's looking worse because we don't have, I mean, we're kind of running out of equipment too. | ||
| Are we not, Derek, to a degree? | ||
| Well, I think from a geostrategic perspective, you know, one of the issues for us has been, you know, being entangled in the Middle East and it inhibiting our ability to shift in many ways to the threat from China. | ||
| And the outcome of this conflict is going to keep us entangled in the region. | ||
| You know, the near-term threat's not going to Be as much from Iran. | ||
| They've been brutalized through this campaign. | ||
| But as you mentioned, they're probably going to come back unless there's interim agreements that address some of these issues: the nuclear, the ballistic missiles, and the proxy war. | ||
| But Iran is more isolated than it has been. | ||
| They found that both China and Russia weren't either able or willing to step in. | ||
| And their allies, Hezbollah and Lebanon, I think they've been isolated in Lebanon. | ||
| And they're surrounded by a Syrian regime that no longer works with them and is a conduit for Iran. | ||
| So from an Israeli geostrategic perspective, it's looking much better. | ||
| And from Iran's perspective, it's not looking good. | ||
| But I go back to getting to your point, the quality of intelligence, the objectivity of the intelligence, and the reliability of it. | ||
| And is the intelligence getting to the president? | ||
| Is it being fairly valued? | ||
| We are in many ways overly dependent on Israel for access and understanding what's going on. | ||
| A lot of our capabilities would be, Sam Fattis mentioned, we do have to rely on a team B, Team A, I think more. | ||
| And there has been doubt about the reliability of the intelligence coming out of the agencies, especially the national intelligence estimates, not just on this Iran estimate, but on the Venezuelan CDA assessment that said there's no collaboration. | ||
| And then the question about the IA. | ||
| Hey, Colonel, just hang on for one second. | ||
| We'll take a break. | ||
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| Stephen Kayman. | ||
| Derek, can you just give me that again? | ||
| You were garbled. | ||
| That's why I had to reboot you. | ||
| Just give me again what you were saying towards the end of your hit. | ||
| Well, it is not a good thing for the United States and for our decision makers to be over-reliant, overly reliant, on a partner, an ally, whether it's the UK or Israel, for really deep understanding about what's going on in threat countries. | ||
| And unfortunately, the Israelis have the dominant position and they have extreme penetration of the region. | ||
| And you can't rely on technical collection, whether it's SIGINT or cyber or other things, unless it is really enabled by superb outstanding human intelligence that allows you that penetration. | ||
| And just from a collection perspective, we are overly reliant because we do not invest in UMINT in a way that protects our own interests and makes sure that we've got a way of checking on what's going on. | ||
| So that's one big issue, along with some of the other things that Sam and you've already mentioned, like Team A, Team B, but also having an arbiter in the National Security Council who's an intelligence senior director who understands how the intelligence community works, understands the games that are played, and understands the types of priority information requirements the NSC and the President require, as well as the agencies and departments that rely on this intelligence. | ||
| That's a critical role for protecting the interests of the President. | ||
| Colonel Harvey, could not agree more. | ||
| Sir, where do people get you on social media? | ||
| First off, my webpage is derekharvey.net. | ||
| And then my truth social is at DerekHarvey. | ||
| And then on Twitter, of course, it's Colonel D Harvey. | ||
| Colonel, thank you so much. | ||
| I appreciate you. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Somebody with incredible experience in the Middle East and a major player in the first administration. | ||
| Also, Devin Nunez's right-hand man over House Intel to sort it all out. | ||
| Very disturbing story. | ||
| We're going to cover it more today. | ||
| We had to take 50 minutes. | ||
| In fact, I could have played it twice. | ||
| President Trump gave a talk, had some remarks at the NATO summit in the Netherlands and The Hague, and then took Q ⁇ A, which was a masterclass. | ||
| As he said, I took questions from all the beauties, all the toughest people, and it was very limited. | ||
| We're going to pull and have some of that today and talk about it because there's a lot of stuff on Ukraine. | ||
| Most importantly, the 12-day war is over. | ||
| I mean, he was adamant. | ||
| Boom, over. | ||
| I did what we had to do, got it done. | ||
| I promised for, I think he said 15 years to do that. | ||
| It's obliterated. | ||
| We're moving on. | ||
| And there's going to be tremendous pressure put on President Trump's administration, boots on the ground, regime change. | ||
| You watch. | ||
| The Israel first crowd over at Fox is going to be relentless. | ||
| And we're going to make sure we're here too blunted. | ||
| That's where they're all worked up. | ||
| They're leaking oil because we shut down their regime change, which they wanted to go to. | ||
| In fact, if there's regime change, right, we think every country ought to do it. | ||
| Maybe in Jerusalem, they should start thinking about that. | ||
| I don't know how Netanyahu has government, this Washington Post story has got to be refuted. | ||
| I don't know how anybody can deal with them until the CIA comes out. | ||
| We've got to talk about exactly what information was put forward on that critical time of Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, of a couple of weeks ago, particularly led up to the bombing. | ||
| And I think everybody's in agreement. | ||
| It needs to be a major reset. | ||
| If you're a protectorate, you've got to act like a protectorate. | ||
| And Israel is a protectorate, right? | ||
| We don't have an alliance with them. | ||
| And the one time, and President Trump, I'll tell you this, what, Soleimani? | ||
| Netanyahu backed out at the last second, did not have President Trump's back in the very last moment. | ||
| And anybody who disputes that, go talk to President Trump. | ||
| He's pretty adamant about it. | ||
| And he believes that that's the first step. | ||
| That was the first step in a long chain that led to that bombing the other night. | ||
| He said Solemani was the George Patton or the Douglas MacArthur of the armed forces in Iran with the Persians, and that's why the guy was targeted. | ||
| Make sure we had Philip Patrick on last night. | ||
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