June 21, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Look who's back. | |
| Steve Bannon, seen at the White House on the very same day that President Trump announced the two-week timeline on Iran. | ||
| Does Bannon have the presidency here? | ||
| Is longtime Trump advisor Steve Bannon. | ||
| Wouldn't you know it? | ||
| This morning, Steve Bannon was spotted entering the White House. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| A senior White House official said that Bannon and Trump had lunch together, a meeting that was supposed to take place weeks ago, but was rescheduled. | ||
| And maybe that's true. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| And also, consider this. | ||
| Just before that announcement from the press secretary, Caroline Levitt, this afternoon, that two-week timeline, the president's former advisor, Steve Bannon, was spotted by CNN entering the West Wing. | ||
| Sources told me he had lunch with the president. | ||
| MAGA Firebrand and Trump's former strategist, Steve Bannon, was spotted at the White House. | ||
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It's interesting that in the dark shadows of the White House, another figure seems to have appeared, and that is one Steve Bannon. | |
| Steve Bannon has, as the White House officials say, that Trump and Bannon had lunch today. | ||
| The lunch was scheduled for weeks, but nonetheless, they have the lunch. | ||
| Where the hell is he, people? | ||
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Okay, here he goes. | |
| Here he goes. | ||
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Tell grab team A, go. | |
| He's still talking with somebody. | ||
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He's getting instructions. | |
| Jimmy, give me the conversation. | ||
| Block the box. | ||
| Block the box. | ||
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Moving grab team C. Get me a feed in there. | |
| I want grab team C in there. | ||
| Tell me what's going on. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| That's Steve Bannon. | ||
| Why would he come back now? | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| you It's Friday, 20 June, Year of the Lord, 2025. | ||
| Was that the government? | ||
| Hang on, stop. | ||
| That's the security camera tape. | ||
| How did Morning Joe get that? | ||
| You can't do a for-year request overnight. | ||
| Literally, how did they get the security camera? | ||
| What's most important, I think it's the first time my producer's ever been on camera. | ||
| His mother called me today, quite upset. | ||
| May make him go home, go back to where he comes from. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Thanks for putting that together. | ||
| Yeah, complete meltdown. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| The dark shadows. | ||
| The dark specter. | ||
| I'm going to get to Ray Dalio here in a moment. | ||
| Ray Dalio told you in the last hour, look, whether you like him or not, whether you think he's worked with the Chinese Communist Party or not, how he made his money or not, he runs the biggest hedge fund in the country and where hedge funds are a major part of the financial industry. | ||
| He's written a couple books. | ||
| His last one, How Countries Go Broke, is pretty impressive. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he's preaching the gospel of the war room, what you've been taught here over the last four years. | ||
| And when a guy like Ray Daly decides to put that in a book, it means that people think it's important. | ||
| So we think it's important for you to understand it. | ||
| The big takeaway in the first clip was that, hey, you got this gap, seven trillion spend, five trillion revenue. | ||
| Unless you either cut, unless you either grow faster, cut, or raise taxes, you're not going to be able to finance it. | ||
| What he's going to say, the 3% solution is to get to, it's kind of Scott Besson's, you know, the 3-3-3. | ||
| But particularly to get to 3% of deficits to GDP. | ||
| Right now it's about 7%. | ||
| That's not sustainable. | ||
| 3%, you're not at a balanced budget. | ||
| It's not great, but you can live with it. | ||
| It means you're still going to have massive deficits going forward, and yes, you're going to mount up this debt, which we don't like, but that's just, I think, the financial structure of the economy in the country right now and where we are in politics. | ||
| I think that's just going to be reality. | ||
| We're going to break down the Big Beautiful Bill, which, by the way, tolls terribly. | ||
| One of the reasons I said you can't call it a Big Beautiful Bill forever is because it confuses people, and they think it's all about spending, which it's not. | ||
| So we'll get more into that. | ||
| You have to prepare people. | ||
| This is why we say on this situation in Persia, nobody's prepared for it because they don't fully understand it. | ||
| They certainly don't understand the military aspects of it and why it's so essential now, now, now to go take out the nuclear weapon. | ||
| We've asked Brian Kennedy to come on. | ||
| Brian's one of the smartest guys to know and kind of revered by the audience for being a safe pair of hands. | ||
| We had a fire breather on this morning. | ||
| Brian Kennedy, one of the smartest guys around, very well connected to the intel community, Alex Jones. | ||
| And Alex kind of dropped, for the people that don't pay attention to this closely, kind of dropped a bombshell that Iran already has a nuclear weapon. | ||
| I like your observation, and if that's the case, why are we making such a big deal about Ford or if they already got a nuke and they have any means at all to deliver it? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Why are we making such a big deal about the remaining part of their nuclear bomb-making capability, sir? | ||
| Well, thank you, Steve. | ||
| Yeah, no, it was a bombshell that Alex would say it on the show. | ||
| I wrote as much in a piece for the American Mind on Wednesday. | ||
| I've been part of the missile defense community for some time. | ||
| And we worried for over 20 years that the Iranians had either acquired nuclear weapons from Pakistan or from North Korea or had built them themselves. | ||
| Now, they've been working with the North Koreans and the Russians and the Chinese for almost 40 years on both nuclear technology, missile technology, warhead design, and what have you. | ||
| The Russians obviously have nuclear weapons. | ||
| The Chinese do. | ||
| The North Koreans, with the help of Russia and China, have also developed them, as we well know. | ||
| But the Iranians were working with the North Koreans the whole time. | ||
| Almost every single missile that the Iranians use is a North Korean design. | ||
| The idea that the Iranians couldn't have acquired from North Korea, either bought or been given them by North Korea, seems illogical. | ||
| Given the strategic relationship that both Russia and China have with Iran, they use Iran as a surrogate. | ||
| And so the idea that they couldn't have been given nuclear weapons seems a bit far-fetched. | ||
| And also the Iranian scientists are first class. | ||
| They may not have all the facilities that other nations do, but the idea that they couldn't have enriched uranium to the point where they could use it in a warhead. | ||
| Also seems far-fetched. | ||
| One of the things we pointed out for a long time has been that in the 2000s, the Iranians tested in the Caspian Sea the ability to launch a ballistic missile from a ship in the Caspian Sea. | ||
| They launched it and they exploded in this simulation a dummy warhead in the high atmosphere. | ||
| To simulate an electromagnetic pulse attack. | ||
| Now, you wouldn't use that in the Middle East against Israel, but you would use it against the United States. | ||
| And in the scenarios that have been developed, the idea could be that Iran would have a freighter ship off either coast of the United States. | ||
| And there are almost 50,000 freighter ships on the water at any given time. | ||
| You launch the ballistic missile. | ||
| In the high atmosphere, exploded over the United States and destroy our electric grid, which would kill millions and millions of people. | ||
| That's not fear-mongering. | ||
| That's just sort of the strategic design of how you would use an EMP weapon. | ||
| But in that scenario, as I describe in this essay, that ship is sunk and you don't know exactly who to retaliate to. | ||
| We wouldn't know if the North Koreans did it, the Iranians, the Chinese, or the Russians. | ||
| But we would know we had been attacked. | ||
| If you're communist China and we're on the verge of real hostility with communist China when it comes to Taiwan, you're going to use a surrogate like Iran against the United States. | ||
| That scenario seems far more likely to me because in that scenario, we're not going to launch a full-scale nuclear attack on Iran. | ||
| If Iran has nuclear weapons today, From our point of view, we have our own considerations. | ||
| We can build a missile defense to stop them. | ||
| Today, President Trump should be deploying air and naval assets on both of our coasts to make sure we're defended from a ship-launched ballistic missile attack. | ||
| That's well within our ability to do. | ||
| President Trump, with his Golden Dome, wants to build missile defenses for this country, so that scenario is entirely taken out. | ||
| If you're Israel, on the other hand, you have a different calculation. | ||
| Your calculation is that Iran, in a kind of messianic way or millionarist kind of way, decides to create a worldwide apocalypse and don't care themselves that they're destroyed. | ||
| And so if they have the nuclear weapons, no Israeli prime minister could admit publicly that they have the nuclear weapons. | ||
| President Trump has said they cannot have nuclear weapons. | ||
| If we absolutely acknowledge they have nuclear weapons, the logic for that would be President Trump would have to go to war immediately. | ||
| He is trying to find some negotiated settlement, right? | ||
| Winston Churchill said, better to jaw-jaw than to war-war. | ||
| President Trump, in that commonsensical way, is trying to figure out whether there's a Peaceful settlement to this. | ||
| Because war could escalate rapidly, and we don't know when it escalates where it is. | ||
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Hold on, hold on. | |
| So let me understand this. | ||
| Let me understand it. | ||
| You're telling me that U.S. intelligence, because you clearly got this from U.S. intelligence, some sources, U.S. intelligence is saying that the Iranians already have a nuclear weapon and have the ability to deliver it to actually hit. | ||
| Either through an airburst or some other methodology, the United States or a continental United States? | ||
| We had that knowledge in the 2000s, that they had the ability to do that. | ||
| And that part of it was not controversial. | ||
| The question was whether they had the warhead. | ||
| And what do you mean? | ||
| They had the nuclear capability, but they don't have the warhead? | ||
| And then they don't really have a weapon, correct? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It was believed they had a ballistic missile and could launch it from a freighter ship. | ||
| The only question is whether in those intervening 20 years they have a warhead that they could use to actually do that. | ||
| And as I'm arguing or suggesting, and Alex Jones said on the show this morning, they already have that nuclear weapon. | ||
| And the reason people think they have one is it's been a long time for them working on it. | ||
| And you're saying by that have this warhead, correct? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why are they not using that, then, to back off the Israelis? | ||
| The guys that had nuclear weapons, like the Pakistanis, don't get overthrown. | ||
| Or the Israelis, because the Israelis have, what, 221 nuclear weapons? | ||
| The people that don't have them, like Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein, get overthrown. | ||
| I mean, this is why the rush is to get to a nuclear weapon. | ||
| If I get a nuclear weapon, I can keep everybody at bay. | ||
| Is that not the strategic logic here? | ||
| Well, that would be one strategic logic. | ||
| It may be the wrong logic. | ||
| The Iranians may think that the Chinese or the Russians are back in their play and that the Israelis won't use nuclear weapons or that there won't be a nuclear exchange because the Americans will step in or the Chinese or the Russians will step in. | ||
| The Israelis have been pretty restrained over the last how many decades knowing that this was a possibility. | ||
| My own judgment is that they looked at President Trump and thought, we're never going to get a better president to do this. | ||
| Our calculation, if we're the Israelis, is Iran is an unstable regime that may use these to destroy us. | ||
| Therefore, we're going to act now. | ||
| We'll have President Trump in office. | ||
| He's as solid as you're going to get. | ||
| And we'll have three years with him to reconstitute. | ||
| The Middle East, politically. | ||
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The Israelis are going to calculate they have support of Saudis. | |
| That's all fine. | ||
| From their calculation, I understand that. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Last Thursday, why did they have to go on a sneak attack last Thursday when President Trump had, and it stated, that he was looking for a diplomatic solution and had scheduled in Muscat, Oman, the six sessions that he had with Witkoff and others. | ||
| They weren't making the progress. | ||
| Maybe they came back and said, we don't like the deal. | ||
| We're only going to have verification. | ||
| We're not going to let you take it apart. | ||
| It could have been all kinds of things in the diplomacy, and we know that a lot of that's true. | ||
| But what was the rush to go last? | ||
| A week ago, today, was their big triumph, beating their chest, shock and awe. | ||
| What caused them to go then? | ||
| And particularly what caused them, what sticks in people's craw is why they did this understanding, which they've been very open about. | ||
| They couldn't finish the deal. | ||
| They would actually need, they would get here and get hung out to dry taking incoming on their civilians and not, and by the way, run out of Arab missiles and have to come back to the United States as a supplicant and ask for more on credit because they're not paying cash money on the barrelhead. | ||
| Our special relationship is we just give them what they want. | ||
| It's going to cost like $14 billion, I think the calculation is. | ||
| But even worse, they need us for the coup de grace. | ||
| How can anybody justify that? | ||
| My issue is not, oh, do they have a nuclear weapon? | ||
| Not. | ||
| It's all interesting. | ||
| It doesn't get to the heart of it. | ||
| Benjamin Netanyahu, for his own personal political dilemma, created this sense of urgency that doesn't exist. | ||
| Doesn't exist. | ||
| Created it and did the salesman's upsell. | ||
| We have to have regime change. | ||
| And Fox News is boom, boom, boom. | ||
| This is Iraq war all over again. | ||
| It's so phony and so obvious. | ||
| Brian Kennedy, am I wrong in this? | ||
| And I said, by the way, I fully support the Israelis. | ||
| If they want to do regime change, go for it. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| That's their call. | ||
| It's Israel first. | ||
| And particularly if they want to take out the nuclear threat, which is supposed to be so awful, they should finish what they started. | ||
| We didn't start it. | ||
| They started it. | ||
| They should finish it. | ||
| What is wrong with my logic, sir? | ||
| I agree with you a thousand percent, Steve. | ||
| They should finish what they started. | ||
| It wasn't our job. | ||
| Our strategy has to begin first and foremost with what is good for the United States. | ||
| It's their get-out for what is good for Israel. | ||
| They started it. | ||
| They need to finish it. | ||
| They must have calculated they had the capability to both start it and finish it. | ||
| If they didn't, that's just foolish on their part. | ||
| From our point of view, we're not prepared for war with Iran and the Middle East the way I've just described in that scenario. | ||
| And so they didn't consult us. | ||
| This was not our idea to do this. | ||
| And the president, in negotiating for peace, was doing the right thing. | ||
| And I agree with you about that rush. | ||
| It is now up to Israel to finish this. | ||
| It's their job. | ||
| If they want to change the regime in Iran, I think that would be a very good thing. | ||
| But it's not the job of the United States to do that. | ||
| It's the job of the Israelis. | ||
| But even better, it's the job of the Iranians to do that. | ||
| If you have a regime in Tehran that is constituted by Israel, you'll have another decades and decades of war. | ||
| Because Iran is not Israel the same way Israel is not the United States. | ||
| It will be up to the Iranian people to make a country for themselves. | ||
| It doesn't have to be a democracy. | ||
| It could be a military dictatorship. | ||
| But the main purpose, from our point of view, is that it's not hostile to the United States or has war designs against the United States. | ||
| It's not our job to fix every country on Earth. | ||
| We have one job, and that's to fix the United States. | ||
| We have to make sure that we have the military to deter any enemy who would seek our destruction and /or the military equipment, such as missile defense, to make sure that's a reality. | ||
| That's not the piece here that was in place. | ||
| Under proper design of a military campaign like this, we should have been far more prepared than we are today. | ||
| We don't know if this is going to work, this attack on Fordow, which is why, again, this should be up to Israel. | ||
| Let Israel do this. | ||
| And if Israel wants to change the regime in Iran, good luck. | ||
| That won't be that easy to do, but I believe it could be done. | ||
| It would be good for the world if it were done, but it's not our job to do that. | ||
| And the president, I think, has been commonsensical in his approach to this, and I expect he will be in the future. | ||
| No, he's, as you know, and you've advised him before, he's a very commonsensical guy and think everything through. | ||
| I want to go back to something you said that was quite important about regime change. | ||
| As you know, One of the things I think we did the best, and it was Miles Woe that helped me think this through, was to make sure we don't refer to China or the Chinese people, but the Chinese Communist Party and always do that. | ||
| And I think that nomenclature has done a lot in the last seven or eight years. | ||
| And as you know, we kind of lead, I'm fully sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party because we are, Don't believe it's a legitimate government of the Chinese people. | ||
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And we are 100% for regime change in Beijing. | |
| So I'm not an anti-regime change guy. | ||
| However, Frank, as you and I have talked so many times and we've talked to so many of our Chinese colleagues and Chinese national colleagues and expatriates and people that are anti-CCP, if the United States – the United States kind of – the State Department put them in power in 49. The Bush apparatus kind of kept them in power for Tiananmen when they had these kind of popular revolts. | ||
| You can't do a top-down. | ||
| If the United States military or even, you know, if somehow the United States was to take them out of power, it wouldn't work. | ||
| Lao Beijing has to rise up at some point in time with assistance from the West, no doubt, or from people to back their cause. | ||
| They have to overthrow it. | ||
| That's why I've been so big on economic warfare in the case of the Persians, particularly oil. | ||
| The one and a half to two and a half million barrels a day that goes from Persia to China and is a big part of the cash flow coming into the mullahs. | ||
| That if you really start putting tough economic sanctions, like we put economic sanctions after we got JCPOA, President Trump, you had really the first big uprising in 22 of those. | ||
| Remember, you had millions of kids in the street for like two or three weeks. | ||
| That's where you see an uprising. | ||
| I want to go back to Iraq because one of the – it wasn't the Jewish Insider, but maybe it was the Jewish News Service, one of the – Things I read all the time from Israel kind of said, oh, these guys comparing Iraq to Iran is anti-Semitic. | ||
| It has nothing about that. | ||
| What we're doing is now people are talking about the Shah's grandson and the Shah's son and the peacock throne and this committee. | ||
| They've got some sort of council of expatriate Persians that people should do due diligence on. | ||
| This goes back to the Iraqi National Congress. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
| When Chalabi and these guys were presented to the American people in the year-and-a-half run-up, Part that was presented as a PSYOP was Chalabay and all these guys were going to step in and they were Jeffersonian democracies and they were going to be welcomed by the people in Baghdad because people were waiting for democracy. | ||
| And it turned out after the march up country, which took us, I don't know, a couple of weeks, we turned around with, hey, we have to have somebody here to kind of help. | ||
| When the Iraqi National Congress and Chalabay and those guys stepped over, they were lost to history. | ||
| You never heard about them again because the people there go, who are you guys? | ||
| You guys have been hanging out in Washington, living large. | ||
| You're not part of us. | ||
| Isn't that the point that when you do this regime change, if you just do it from the top? | ||
| It's just going to be utter and total chaos as those horrible, horrible, horrible years of what, 2004 and 5 and 6 and 7, right, and 8 were as we were trying to hold down Baghdad, sir? | ||
| Well, that's the least serious part of this whole thing, isn't it? | ||
| This idea that there are these people in the wings who can come in and do this. | ||
| The way wars end like this is that presumably at one point, | ||
| and then constitute some kind of country. | ||
| That could ensure the stability of Iran. | ||
| This is not about the democracy project. | ||
| This is not about restoring the Shah to power. | ||
| This will be about Iran trying to figure out whether or not they can have a stable country that could govern themselves and not be a threat to those around them. | ||
| Because presumably if this gets to a more heightened state of warfare, then Iran. | ||
| If not, it will denigrate into some kind of chaos or civil war. | ||
| I actually think just given the Iranian regime and the power of the generals right now, you could find a general to do that. | ||
| But again, we're not very good as Americans in figuring this stuff out. | ||
| It'll be the job of Iran to figure out what their future looks like. | ||
| They either want to have the mullahs and live that way, or they'll have some general try to form a government somehow that will provide peace and stability there. | ||
| But that's a long way off and not that easy to pull off. | ||
| Well, it wouldn't have been a long way off if President Trump had not put his foot down. | ||
| People should know, if he had not put his foot down on Wednesday, Bibi Netanyahu's government were pushing and pushing hard for regime change. | ||
| I would say regime destruction. | ||
| Destroy it and figure out if there's a general that picks up, it steps up. | ||
| But the Israeli government, the government in Israel was pushing very hard. | ||
| It was an upsell. | ||
| Create a sense of urgency and then upsell you. | ||
| And thank God President Trump, in that kind of basic common sense that he has that's so powerful, was able to see through it. | ||
| and it's been said many times, he's not, What he's looking at at max is the military strike and could it work? | ||
| If his negotiation fails, right, the next couple weeks, if he thinks he's being tapped along or dismissed, and today in Geneva, you know, the delegates from Iran with the Europeans said it has to be a ceasefire. | ||
| You can't let the Israelis pound us or we're not going to talk. | ||
| I don't know if President Trump's going to buy that. | ||
| He's going to say, hey, either sit down and talk. | ||
| Or we have the potential to get involved. | ||
| So I think this thing gets more and more serious. | ||
| And about the generals, remember Napoleon was called back from the campaign in Egypt. | ||
| And when he returned, the Central Committee had called him back that was overseeing the revolution, as you remember, Brian. | ||
| And when he got back, his famous quote is, "I saw the crown of France in the gutter and I just put my sword out and picked it up." He saw the opportunity. | ||
| He was the general that gave him a whiff of grape shot and calmed the mob down and then took over revolutionary France and built it into a military dictatorship and an empire. | ||
| Brian Kennedy, you're a good man, you're a smart man, and you're a wise man. | ||
| Where do people go to get your content, sir? | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| On Getter, I'm Brian T. Kennedy. | ||
| And on X, I'm Brian T. Kennedy 1. And presentdangerchina.org. | ||
| Where you were one of the founders of the committee. | ||
| We have a wealth of knowledge that I and Frank Gaffney and others have put together with your help. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Tremendous. | ||
| Tremendous thing today on Iran. | ||
| Because it is. | ||
| It's no doubt the CCP's black hand is in back of all this. | ||
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100%. | |
| They and the Russians. | ||
| KGB's licking their chops on this thing. | ||
| I think Putin said today they may get involved. | ||
| Remember we talked about the guns of August, of how the mobilization timetables inexorably drew Europe into a war where they said Sir Edward Gray, the foreign minister, said the lamps of Europe are being shut down and they will not be lit again in our lifetime because he could see what was going to happen on then the Western Front. | ||
| We saw what happened in Ukraine. | ||
| We called that, did we not? | ||
| With you, the audience. | ||
| We're being sucked into the kinetic part of the Third World War. | ||
| Not here in the United States. | ||
| We're trying to clean up the sanctuary cities and get out the 10 million invaders. | ||
| But once again, in CENCOM's Middle East, short commercial break. | ||
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artificial intelligence on the other side war room here's your host stephen k band | |
| Okay, the reality is we're going to get to the Ray Dalio tomorrow, but we'll leave you with the first part of it, which we did in the first hour. | ||
| Ray Dalio, one of the smartest guys, said, hey, look, because of this ongoing problem and the ability that they're going to have to sell a ton of bonds as their debt increases, that would be us. | ||
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| Home Title Lock. | ||
| Actually, not title insurance. | ||
| Title insurance is actually different, right? | ||
| That's different. | ||
| Lock that piece of paper up. | ||
| Make sure no rogue accountant, AI, cyber, anything can get to it. | ||
| I want to get to one of my favorite people. | ||
| He's on the road. | ||
| He's out there. | ||
| He's been out there with the bigwigs in Silicon Valley and the Bay Area. | ||
| You've got two great cold opens. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play the first. | ||
| Joe Allen's with us, and then Joe Allen will explain it all to us. | ||
| Gary Marcus, you have always been willing to criticize Sam Altman, not only for what he's doing, but perhaps even implying that there's ill intent. | ||
| I mean, I think OpenAI is probably going to head towards surveillance. | ||
| You can imagine two business models for OpenAI. | ||
| One would be if they could actually build AGI soon, maybe they could make a lot of money with that. | ||
| Real AGI would be worth trillions of dollars. | ||
| But the things that they've actually delivered don't work that reliably, and that has limited their commercial utility. | ||
| They have a lot of private data. | ||
| People treat it as a therapist, and they now want to build apparently like a necklace or something that records you 24 /7. | ||
| That's like 1984, independent. | ||
| I mean, you can't be a libertarian and want some party to be collecting all of that data on anything that anybody does. | ||
| I'm here with the CEO of Global Quantum Intelligence, Andre Koenig. | ||
| Is China really keeping up with the US or Western countries in the advancement of quantum computing? | ||
| No. | ||
| China is 10 to 15x ahead of us on every meaningful metric. | ||
| If it were to go in the catastrophic directions, what are some of the specific problems that would arise from rapid and uncontrolled breakthroughs? | ||
| So, of course, quantum computing can help with new materials, new chemistry, which has a weapon application both in a defensive and offensive posture. | ||
| But it is really about factorization and breaking most of our known encryption. | ||
| And this is something that would happen at a flip of a switch and its ultimate terminal. | ||
| You're breaking into J.P. Morgan and Citibank. | ||
| You're breaking into the Fed. | ||
| You're breaking into our telecom system. | ||
| You might be breaking into our nuclear codes, right? | ||
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| Well, let's begin with the data breach. | ||
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16 billion exposed login credentials. | |
| Google, Apple, Facebook, just to name all of them. | ||
| And 16 billion. | ||
| What, 8 billion people in the world? | ||
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| 16 billion credentials. | ||
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And one thing, the scariest thing of all, a lot of times we get these breaches and it's like, it's all old stuff, just repackaged. | |
| This looks to be all new stuff and fairly recent stuff. | ||
| So what does everybody have to do right now that's watching, or at least this weekend? | ||
| Change every password you have on every device you own. | ||
| It's important. | ||
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And it has to be unique on every device you own. | |
| Hold it. | ||
| There's only like 10 bombshells. | ||
| See, this is a Joe Allen thing. | ||
| Joe Allen goes out there and they think he's some corn, you know, some cracker from Backwoods, Tennessee, right? | ||
| Sergeant York. | ||
| And he gets up there and he slips out there with his methodology and he gets the most explosive content I've ever heard. | ||
| I don't want to go to the CCP one. | ||
| I've got to finish with the end one. | ||
| What in the hell happened and what should our audience know about this, brother? | ||
| Steve, Cyber News just broke a story actually two weeks ago, but they've been updating it consistently. | ||
| 16 billion usernames and passwords discovered in dark web databases that were available to anyone, any bad actor that would want to get their hands on it. | ||
| Those included logins and passwords for Facebook, for Google. | ||
| For Apple, even things like Telegram. | ||
| Now, these sorts of revelations are happening all the time. | ||
| In fact, about two weeks ago, it was revealed that China had a massive data breach quite similar with WeChat and Alibaba and their big companies over there. | ||
| What's significant about it, aside from the scale of it, if you heard what Gary Marcus was saying there about OpenAI, Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down. | ||
| The last time I saw a pendant like that was like in Rosemary's Baby, right? | ||
| When they made her, the witch coven said, hey, we got some, made her wear the pendant. | ||
| Next thing you know, she's having Satan's baby. | ||
| Poor Mia Farrow. | ||
| Walk me back. | ||
| What do you mean pendant? | ||
| Explain to our audience, because I think many of our audience, particularly the boomers, are like me. | ||
| A lot of this is quite foreign. | ||
| What do you mean that AI has come up with a pendant that you can wear 24-7? | ||
| What in the hell does that mean? | ||
| Well, believe it or not, this model is actually quite common. | ||
| Other companies have already put them out, but this one is important because it's in development right now with OpenAI and the idea behind it and all of these devices. | ||
| It could also be a smartwatch. | ||
| It could also be a little Alexa-type device. | ||
| It could be interconnected with all of them. | ||
| The idea is that OpenAI wants to create an AI interface that knows everything about you. | ||
| And this isn't some secret that is being held behind closed doors and people have leaked. | ||
| This is Sam Altman saying the purpose of ChatGPT should be a companion. | ||
| We're a kind of guardian angel that knows you inside and out and would then be able to better serve you, so to speak. | ||
| So that's what Gary Marcus is pointing out there, that if they don't deliver on AGI, they have tons of personal data from interactions. | ||
| They have tons of important corporate data. | ||
| But hang on. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| Forget whether they deliver on AGI or not. | ||
| If they're doing this, and he's part of the Stargate model, right, that the president announced in the Roosevelt Room, correct? | ||
| Stargate, this is where he and Elon Musk, it continued their fight, right? | ||
| He just announced, I think, because I heard Elon Musk is in meltdown about it. | ||
| First off, he was invited to go to the Middle East Conference and Elon wasn't. | ||
| I mean, Elon tagged along, but really, open AI was. | ||
| And then they came back and they just got a massive government contract. | ||
| Did they not, sir? | ||
| Yes, they did with the Department of Defense. | ||
| And then in addition to that, they had a contract with the U.S. government from the Biden administration that basically came into effect under Trump to use OpenAI's AI to either augment or in many cases replace government workers. | ||
| So very similar to what we've been hearing about Doge, but OpenAI. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So hang on a second. | ||
| We just had an announcement. | ||
| And I forget the company, but I want to be honest with you. | ||
| They just had an announcement somewhere in the world. | ||
| In fact, I think it was a government had a massive breach of crypto. | ||
| I think they had $70 million stolen out of one of these crypto wallets. | ||
| Gone in a flash. | ||
| You've had this breach now, both in the China. | ||
| So when you get a breach in China, remember the CCP takes this very seriously. | ||
| We just had a breach here of 16 billion passwords, correct? | ||
| A breach of passwords. | ||
| And there's only, what, seven billion, seven and a half, maybe eight billion people in the world? | ||
| You're talking about this pendant, and they see these, they're actually commercials now that have these agents. | ||
| Regardless of whether he gets to AGI, this is a massive surveillance. | ||
| If they want an artificial intelligence device, worn as a pendant, whatever, to be your guardian angel, to know everything about you, How can they not have the opportunity to give it to a government, to give it to a bad actor, to give it to somebody who's prepared to pay them if it's maybe not your friend? | ||
| If they know everything about you, how is that not a possibility of a surveillance state that's so far bigger than 1984, than Orwell's biggest nightmare, sir? | ||
| Absolutely, and the really important thing there too, I mean, Google, Email, obviously people have personal communications all the time. | ||
| If that gets breached, then they get into that. | ||
| But with OpenAI's plan, it will read all of your searches. | ||
| It will read all of your emails. | ||
| It will listen to all your conversations. | ||
| It will listen to all your calls. | ||
| It will be held in a secure database. | ||
| And then used for your benefit, they say, but clearly, clearly, one way or the other, whether it is with partnership with government, whether it is of their own sort of malicious intent, or if the database doesn't turn out to be as secure as it's promised, which happens all the time, then suddenly you're basically exposed inside and out. | ||
| You're naked out in the digital desert with snakes nipping at your heels. | ||
| Why would anybody? | ||
| Help me out here because I know people are doing this. | ||
| Why would anybody give a non-sentient, at least now, artificial intelligence device, a digital device, no matter how complex, why would anybody share everything that they have, all their thoughts, all their healthcare information, their financial information, all their emails, their text messages, all their Google searches? | ||
| What is the incentive? | ||
| Why would a rational human being, right? | ||
| Why would anybody do that, sir? | ||
| In my opinion, it's unfounded trust coupled with the desire for convenience. | ||
| A lot of people basically rely, and myself included, I do this all the time, you rely on a digital device to communicate with loved ones, you rely on a digital device. | ||
| To get information that is of a very, very personal nature. | ||
| And so this has been with us forever, Steve. | ||
| You know, this has been with us all my adult life. | ||
| Since the 90s, they've been raking over our data. | ||
| The difference though now is that already with smartphones, there's this normalization of using the smartphone to basically digitize your life, either to get information or give information about yourself to other people. | ||
| With AI, I've seen this all weekend or all week at the World AI Summit. | ||
| And I've seen it across the country, this process of merging people's personal lives with the digital realm and then raking it over and using it again. | ||
| They always say to better serve you, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But it is very clear from Edward Snowden's revelations on forward that this is being used by governments. | ||
| This is being used by corporations that do not have your best interests at heart. | ||
| And if the data is exposed, as we see with this massive breach of overlapping logins and passwords, if bad actors get a hold of it, then they've got you inside and out. | ||
| Joe, can I commit to get you on tomorrow? | ||
| Is the conference over? | ||
| Has it finally ended? | ||
| Yeah, the conference is over. | ||
| And actually, I'm meeting at noon Pacific time. | ||
| I'm meeting with Yosha Bach, who is one of the foremost thinkers in artificial intelligence. | ||
| And he's a wild one, but he's probably one of the foremost thinkers on the idea that AI is potentially going to become Conscious. | ||
| And again, all week I've heard this from many people. | ||
| AI is now, or will be in the future, this conscious being. | ||
| So the relationship isn't just with a dead mechanism. | ||
| In their minds, the relationship is with a being that's looking back at you. | ||
| You know, folks, with everything and all the work you've done, you've changed the arc of history, right? | ||
| You've changed it with your human agency. | ||
| Being part of this MAGA movement and being part of the Trump movement and everything we talk about coming down the golden escalator in the 10 years and all the, you know, triumphs, tragedies, victories, defeat, all of it, and everything we're doing here, it pales, even this, stopping wars, getting our sovereignty back, getting 10 million invaders out, making sure, trying to fix the financial mess this country's in. | ||
| It pales really in comparison when you look about what this technology, because it's about to overwhelm us. | ||
| Elon Musk, I actually think he said, He wouldn't return to government. | ||
| Somebody asked, I'm not going to return to government. | ||
| That's like picking up, I think it was the phrase, Jerry said, picking up needles on the beach when he's preparing for the tsunami of artificial intelligence. | ||
| That's coming. | ||
| In fact, the Axios guys, I haven't had time to. | ||
| I think there's another horrible report out about jobs. | ||
| This week, 10,000 layoff at Microsoft, 20,000 at Intel. | ||
| Those are two of the most powerful and respected American technology companies. | ||
| I think, Joe, it's safe to say that most of those are either driven by or adjacent to artificial intelligence, that that's why a lot of those jobs are leaving. | ||
| This is the beginning of the tsunami against our best workers, the tech workers. | ||
| So it is very disturbing, and we're going to make sure we're on it. | ||
| Just one thing about one of the other bombshells in that. | ||
| Did the individual, who was the individual, did he say the Chinese Communist Party, did I hear this right? | ||
| He said they're 10 to 15 times more involved in AI than we are or more advanced in AI than the United States. | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| That was Andre Koenig of... | ||
| And so he's talking about quantum computing, which the good news on that is that quantum computing right now at this present moment really isn't that far along. | ||
| They can't do a whole lot with it. | ||
| But Koenig, despite his skepticism, is fairly convinced that within the next few years, meaning five to ten years, that it will be a very, very potent technological force, especially coupled with AI. | ||
| And the biggest danger, or one of the biggest dangers, I mean, you heard him talking about material science and weapons production, but he's also pointing out the big fear of most people who look at quantum computing. | ||
| If you were to have an extremely powerful quantum computer, then you could decrypt basically any system. | ||
| The examples he gave, J.P. Morgan, and even the Department of Defense and nuclear codes, and it just highlights how much... | ||
| Meanwhile, the AI companies are saying, yes, these systems are maybe going to go out of control. | ||
| Maybe there's a 20% chance they're going to go out of control. | ||
| And they're putting all their faith in these systems, which are obviously, obviously fragile. | ||
| And there's one thing I would like to highlight, too, just in response to this kind of dread of what the future could hold. | ||
| I've been hearing this a lot, but in person, speaking to these people, I'm finding a lot of interest and a lot of tolerance for differing views if we could just bring the AI companies and the tech companies in general to heal, bring them under control of the populace. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Joe, where do people get your writings, your thoughts, all of it? | ||
| You can find my writings at jobot.xyz, and there are three great interviews from the World Summit AI Conference up on my X platform, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z. | ||
| That's Ben Gertzel, that is Gary Marcus, and Pyle Aurora. | ||
| I think the War Room audience is really going to enjoy all three of those. | ||
| Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| We'll push those out. | ||
| Those are huge. | ||
| Push those on the main channels tonight to make sure everybody can join them over the weekend, get more knowledge. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
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