June 19, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| We're back. | ||
| It seems we're back to where we were in the 90s, where there is a pretty strong split between the interventionists and the non-interventionists in the Republican Party. | ||
| I'm curious your thoughts. | ||
| You've seen this unfold over the past 40, 50 years. | ||
| Where is the party right now? | ||
| And what are the political risks for Donald Trump if he goes in or if he stays out? | ||
| So, Joe, we're struggling in a, I'd say, real national debate about where our national interests are. | ||
| And I must say, as somebody who lived through the pre-Iraq period, that was the kind of debate we needed back then. | ||
| We needed in 2003 to be talking about what was in our interest as a country. | ||
| Did this make sense? | ||
| What would happen after we invaded? | ||
| Wasn't enough of that. | ||
| Nika's dad, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was a rare example of somebody who was asking those questions. | ||
| So the more debate that I'm hearing, the better. | ||
| I think one thing that's likely is that President Trump will learn in this debate, noisy, sometimes fractious, who he trusts and who he doesn't. | ||
| He'll make up his mind better. | ||
| You know, he's often all over the map in terms of his views. | ||
| One day says something, next day the next. | ||
| That's one reason I think the Iranians mistrust him in these negotiations. | ||
| They just aren't sure where he is. | ||
| But over time, that'll shake out better. | ||
| There are reports that it's a different group now in the Situation Room than it was initially. | ||
| So I think that's also good for a president to have this kind of shakedown cruise on a really big issue like this. | ||
| The final point that I'd like to make is we're all focused to a surprising extent on Washington and what we're talking about here in Washington. | ||
| But the cockpit in this war is in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. | ||
| The Israelis won't wait forever. | ||
| They have embarked on what they see as an absolutely critical existential campaign to take out Iran's nuclear capability while they can. | ||
| They have other options besides waiting for the U.S. Bunker Buster. | ||
| They're not good ones, but there's more and more talk being leaked about commando operations, other ways to get deep underground at Fordo and have some of the same effects they could get from the U.S. So the idea that we can take as long as we want, make up our minds two weeks from today, not necessarily. | ||
| This is in the end going to be an Israeli decision primarily. | ||
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Donald Trump knows where you are at this moment. | |
| You have been warned. | ||
| At best, your economy, that will be destroyed. | ||
| Your refineries, they will be up in smoke. | ||
| Your infrastructure will be in tatters. | ||
| You won't have lights to turn on and around if you keep going the way you're going. | ||
| Your military will be shredded. | ||
| Your weapons and ammunition will be gone. | ||
| Your nuclear program that you have put so much time, effort, money, energy into, it's utterly destroyed now. | ||
| It will be further destroyed and capable of rebuilding. | ||
| I believe ultimately that he wants a deal and he wants to use this rhetoric and this moment in order to force the regime, given how weak it is, given how much they could, that threat that they could crumble if their nuclear program is completely obliterated. | ||
| The threat that they faced that they could collapse. | ||
| And he wants to use that to force a deal, ultimately. | ||
| And that's why he wants that inconsistent messaging. | ||
| And by the way, that tends to work usually with adversaries. | ||
| You don't want adversaries. | ||
| You don't want to lay out all of your options or plans that, oh, I'm going to start with plan A and then move to B and so on. | ||
| And you don't want your adversary when you're dealing with a dictator like this to know all that. | ||
| But that said... | ||
| That's what we're talking about here. | ||
| This isn't where, it's not something where he's talking about deploying troops across Iran, a war that's similar to Iraq or Afghanistan. | ||
| I've heard this comparison many times, and that's not what this is about. | ||
| This is a situation that would look like specific attacks, limited military engagement, something that's more similar to the attacks you saw against Hezbollah. | ||
| by Israel in the last fall. | ||
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*Mario's death* | |
| So I've never taken money from the Israel lobby, have you? | ||
| Taken money from the Israel? | ||
| From AIPAC. | ||
| So AIPAC raises a lot of money for me, but it's actually a misnomer because the people who raise money are individuals. | ||
| So it's not the PAC itself, but their individual members who believe in the American-Israeli friendship and relationship. | ||
| Is AIPAC a foreign lobby? | ||
| No, it's an American lobby. | ||
| AIPAC stands for the America-Israeli Political Action Committee. | ||
| What is it lobby for? | ||
| So, to be honest, not a whole lot effectively. | ||
| Listen, I came into Congress 13 years ago with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate. | ||
| I've worked every day to do that. | ||
| AIPAC a lot of times, AIPAC I wish were much more effective. | ||
| Like there are folks online who are in the fever swamp of terrified of AIPAC and AIPAC, You're the one who seems a little uncomfortable when I'm asking this. | ||
| No, not uncomfortable at all. | ||
| I'm just asking what AIPAC does. | ||
| My understanding, having known a lot of people who want AIPAC, is that it lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| When was the last time AIPAC took a position that deviated from Prime Minister Netanyahu? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| let me go back and give a little history. | ||
| If you want to do a deep dive on APAC, we I want to do a shallow dive. | ||
| I want to get to the core question. | ||
| AIPAC is lobbying for a foreign government. | ||
| False. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's lobbying for the United States? | ||
| It is lobbying for a strong U.S.-Israeli relationship. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it has nothing to do with the foreign government. | ||
| It wants America and Israel to be closely allied. | ||
| Okay, but it's lobbying on behalf of the interests of another country. | ||
| So that's not true at all. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| No. | ||
| How much contact do you think AIPAC leaders have for the government of Israel? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| I imagine some. | ||
| I think the government of Israel is often frustrated with AIPAC because AIPAC's not nearly strong enough. | ||
| Do you think there's any coordination between the government of Israel and AIPAC? | ||
| Do they talk? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If you're lobbying for more U.S.-Mexico trade, would you talk to people in the U.S. and Mexico and the government? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I'm not mad about that. | ||
| There are a million countries that lobby Washington. | ||
| I like a lot of those countries, including Israel. | ||
| But APEC or Americans? | ||
| They're not Israelis. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| There are tons of Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments. | ||
| I know them. | ||
| I'm related to some of them. | ||
| I know how it works. | ||
| I'm from here. | ||
| So my question is not, is it outrageous that foreign governments lobby the United States? | ||
| They all do, including Israel. | ||
| My only question is, why don't we admit that is what's happening? | ||
| You're denying it, but it's true. | ||
| Because what you're saying is false. | ||
| Why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby? | ||
| Because they're not. | ||
| Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. | ||
| From day one, President Trump has been clear. | ||
| They'd like to talk, but... | ||
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Sometimes you have to take a stand against evil. | |
| And that's what President Trump understands. | ||
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And we appreciate, deeply appreciate, the help we're getting from the United States of America. | |
| Iran is not winning this war. | ||
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President Trump's strength is making the world safer. | |
| Standing with our friends. | ||
| Standing up to our enemy. | ||
| In his head said, I have to worry about the worst case scenario. | ||
| But my feeling is this. | ||
| We didn't create this problem. | ||
| It's been around for 46 years. | ||
| We've never been closer to addressing this problem. | ||
| And this is a historic opportunity. | ||
| And the Israelis have already shown incredible competency. | ||
| And skill. | ||
| And if you think for a second they haven't thought in their heads how to take down Fordow with or without us, you're crazy. | ||
| You have not been paying attention to the beepers, the pagers. | ||
| And also, they targeted scientists and the upper intelligence in Iran and assassinated them within days. | ||
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We are the only ones that have these bombers and this equipment that could actually penetrate. | |
| They would have to send boots on the ground. | ||
| So if you believe in prayer, pray for whoever is selected. | ||
| If we end up... | ||
| And you have to remember that. | ||
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We're drinking our coffee. | |
| I have my heater going. | ||
| And there's someone preparing, possibly, to go and perform this mission for America. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| Because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying. | ||
| About the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| Mega Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Thursday, 19 June, in the year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| It's Juneteenth today. | ||
| It's a federal holiday. | ||
| The commemoration of the end of slavery, or the notification of the end of slavery, post-Civil War. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| I've got Jack. | ||
| So, Poso, jump in here. | ||
| Poso, but I've got to hold you. | ||
| A couple of things just breaking. | ||
| Hugo Lowe at The Guardian has an exclusive that gets to this tactical issue about actually the viability, actually doing something. | ||
| But I've got to go back because Brian Kilmeade, you know, our position here at the War Room has been pretty straightforward. | ||
| We absolutely believe that I had told those guys. | ||
| Can't get a nuclear weapon. | ||
| The way to do that is President Trump's negotiations or economic warfare. | ||
| It's pretty clear that this urgency, this rush, and now kind of flipping to say it's got to be regime change. | ||
| It's on every paper. | ||
| We called this Friday morning when the assault happened. | ||
| We said this looks like a decapitation, not just of the nuclear program, but of much of their general staff. | ||
| In a regime change or regime destruction, we still stand by that. | ||
| And our line is, quite simply, Netanyahu, just finish what you started. | ||
| Fox News right there reiterates, and they know because they're the propaganda arm of this, they know they have the ability to do it. | ||
| Finish what you started. | ||
| But I want to go back, Jack, I want to go back to David Ignatius on Morning Joe. | ||
| Because Ben Harnwell, as you know, named the Washington Post the Langley Bugle. | ||
| And Ignatius, he's the comms department for the CIA, quite frankly. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Let's go ahead and play. | ||
| I want to play just the last minute of his talk with Joe Scarborough. | ||
| Do we have that ready? | ||
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Yeah, the clip. | |
| Let's play it. | ||
| We're all focused, to a surprising extent, on Washington and what we're talking about here in Washington. | ||
| But the cockpit in this war is in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. | ||
| The Israelis won't wait forever. | ||
| They have embarked on what they see as an absolutely critical, existential campaign to take out Iran's nuclear capability while they can. | ||
| They have other options besides waiting for the U.S. bunker buster. | ||
| They're not good ones, but there's more and more talk being leaked about commando operations, other ways to get deep underground at Fordo and have some of the same effects they could get from the U.S. So the idea that we can take as long as we want, make up our minds two weeks from today, not necessarily. | ||
| This is, in the end, going to be an Israeli decision primarily. | ||
| This is in the end going to be an Israeli decision. | ||
| We don't have the time. | ||
| This is how they do it. | ||
| Remember, it's this urgency. | ||
| It's this urgency. | ||
| Urgency. | ||
| Must happen. | ||
| urgency and now President Trump can't have time to weigh and measure actually if the if the tactical Options actually work and I think the the Guardian today and Hugo Lowe and Hugo's one of the best reporters in town because he He does he's a gumshoe. | ||
| He gets the you know, he gets to the facts Exclusive I think coming out of the White House. | ||
| I'll get to that in a second But then it's the upsell the upsets urgency. | ||
| It's the old-says They're not going to wait forever. | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Go now. | ||
| The boardroom is telling you, finish what you started. | ||
| We're cool with that. | ||
| If you want to do that, that's fine. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| We've been providing air defense. | ||
| We've been providing helping you knock out the incommies, which is getting harder and harder. | ||
| A hospital hit last night. | ||
| But what is this? | ||
| They're not going to wait forever. | ||
| Don't wait. | ||
| Go now. | ||
| Commando raid, multiple bombing runs. | ||
| Take it out. | ||
| Max Boots said that you couldn't do it unless you had the U.S., and this is our concern here in the United States, is that we've been forced into something that you knew you couldn't finish and that you would need to drag us in here. | ||
| Well, let's assume for the purpose of this discussion, we don't want to be dragged in here, particularly if you have another alternative. | ||
| So David Ignatius, go back to Langley and tell him to call the Mossad and talk to the guys in Tel Aviv and say, hey, don't wait. | ||
| Go get on it, man. | ||
| Take it down. | ||
| Send some commandos in there. | ||
| The IDF has done a magnificent job against Hezbollah, done a magnificent job in southern Syria, has done, I think, a damn good job of the total political backing against the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, of which, by the way, remember, the war room has had your back from the beginning. | ||
| We're taking incoming from everybody, telling you, if you've got to go through hell, go through as quickly as possible. | ||
| It still stands here. | ||
| Do not wait for us. | ||
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Go. | |
| Go right now. | ||
| Bomb it non-stop. | ||
| Send commandos in. | ||
| Anything you need to do. | ||
| Kill me, told the world. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| And let President Trump work what he's trying to work, which is other alternatives. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Pasopik on the other side. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | |
| you Okay, two massive stories. | ||
| This is one of my issues with all the focus on the war, the Persian War, is that two massive stories. | ||
| Steve Camerata's got an incredible story about migration, immigration, re-migration, all of it over at CS. | ||
| He's on deck. | ||
| We'll get to him in a moment. | ||
| David Drucker over at the Dispatch. | ||
| Massive story about African-American men coming to the MAGA cause and not just temporarily. | ||
| And remember, we don't want to lose these guys. | ||
| This is the whole re-foundation of a Republican Party that's like the Democratic Party in 1932 where we govern for 50 years. | ||
| And then Hugo Lowe's amazing piece coming out of The Guardian with kind of exclusive analysis of actually, I think, the tactical capabilities of what we actually got here. | ||
| Jack Posobiec. | ||
| And Jack, I want to be brutally frank, and because you've got him up on Twitter, so I guess you get the intellectual property. | ||
| All of that pressure, urgency, and upsell, that was all from Jack Posobiec. | ||
| That was all Jack Posobiec, who basically is on the writer's side. | ||
| You're like Conan O 'Brien. | ||
| You're on the writer's staff at the War Room, and you got your own gig kind of later in the afternoon, and eventually you'll fleet up to the big show, right? | ||
| Is that how it works, Jack? | ||
| Yeah, we'll see. | ||
| I don't exactly have the carrot top for it, though. | ||
| Tell me about your thoughts now. | ||
| You're an intelligence officer. | ||
| President Trump's weighing and measuring. | ||
| A lot of reports that he's kind of made a decision, if he so chooses, for a tactical alternative here. | ||
| But it's pretty clear, particularly I want you to address Ignatius in the CIA, because he's a mouthpiece, telling us, like, the decision's going to be in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and we can't, you know, you can't, America can't wait, you can't wait, because they're going to go. | ||
| I mean, what the hell, where are we right now in this, Posobic? | ||
| Steve, David Ignatius sounds like every used car salesman up there saying, oh, it's got to be done. | ||
| This price is only going to be locked in right now. | ||
| And Steve, of course, you remember back when we were in Arizona, when they did the whole, oh, they put that roast coating on down at the factory. | ||
| Put that roast coating on down at the factory. | ||
| David Ignatius sounds like a used car salesman saying, I can only lock this right in. | ||
| I'm going to have to talk to the manager. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| President Trump. | ||
| President Trump is the one who makes the decision. | ||
| Tel Aviv doesn't make the decision. | ||
| BB doesn't make the decision. | ||
| No. | ||
| President Trump is the commander-in-chief, and only he makes the decision. | ||
| And I don't want to hear any talking heads out there, by the way, say that President Trump can't have a meeting if he wants to have a meeting. | ||
| There was some guy yapping yesterday that President Trump shouldn't hold any more meetings. | ||
| He should make a decision to go on right now. | ||
| No, sorry. | ||
| There's one person that the American people voted for, and his name is President Donald J. Trump. | ||
| And he has the Trumpian ability. | ||
| That the American people and all the people of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan and Nevada and Arizona and Georgia and all the crossover voters and the working class, the multi-ethnic working class that came over said, we trust President Trump to make these decisions. | ||
| Number one, put our interests first. | ||
| Number two, keep us safe. | ||
| And number three, restore American grace. | ||
| Now, Steve, when it comes down to this, you can totally see the upsell coming as soon as they finish it, because they want to lock you in with this strike on the facility. | ||
| And they're acting like that's dumb. | ||
| But then out of the other side of their mouth, what do they say? | ||
| They say, well, you know, the nuclear program might still be there and it might take multiple runs. | ||
| And, you know, that's only really going to bury it because the bunker busting bomb, these GBUs, they have the ability to bury it, but they can't destroy it. | ||
| So they can unbury it and really and the defense. | ||
| And by the way, Benny Gantz, the head of the IDF, former head, has come out and said this would only set Iran back a year, maybe two years. | ||
| Former Mossad chief has come out and said the same, that these strikes would only be temporary setbacks. | ||
| So the question is, is their real goal all along? | ||
| Regime change. | ||
| Does B.B. actually know this? | ||
| And what he's telling Trump is saying, hey, go in and do this one strike because he knows at that point you're going to be locked in. | ||
| You're going to be sucked into the war. | ||
| And I said, well, if you're going to be here anyway, you might as well go for the full regime change. | ||
| And unfortunately, it seems like that's what he's doing because he went up on ABC and we're not going to forget what B.B. said on ABC. | ||
| He went on ABC and he said the quiet part out loud about the upsell. | ||
| He said the only way to truly end. | ||
| And Iran's nuclear program is regime change. | ||
| Because think about it. | ||
| See, you can't bomb away thousands of scientists and thousands of engineers and thousands of specialists. | ||
| And Russia, by the way, has got specialists over there. | ||
| Putin's out there saying that. | ||
| He said, wait a minute. | ||
| Some of these specialists on these nuclear sites are Russian. | ||
| So what happens if you kill Russian scientists in the middle of one of these things? | ||
| You're going to have an entire dog's breakfast on your hands. | ||
| That's why the real goal, suck the United States in, have the regime change go off. | ||
| Unfortunately, have the United States finished something that was started not by us? | ||
| And that's the real issue that's going on here. | ||
| President Trump understands all of this. | ||
| They've played the thing out for President Trump, I don't know, for 10 years or so or beyond, even for Iran politics, about Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| And he was negotiating about that. | ||
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No doubt. | |
| He actually put in sanctions in the first term that led to a street revolution. | ||
| The way you have regime change is it's got to come from the street. | ||
| It has to come from the people. | ||
| If it comes from the top, from a foreign power, it never works. | ||
| Can I mention Iraq? | ||
| Remember yesterday at the Christian Science Monitor, Grizzly over at... | ||
| I go, man, please don't do this to me. | ||
| Right? | ||
| We're going to do due diligence on this now. | ||
| Remember the Iraqi – everybody in the audience, remember the – was it the Iraqi Congress with Chalabay? | ||
| Remember Chalabay? | ||
| How – you know, on Fox News, every day, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. | ||
| You had Chalabay. | ||
| Yeah, we're there. | ||
| We're going to go, when we marched up country in Saddam Hussein Feld, those guys went in and you never heard from them again. | ||
| They were thrown out. | ||
| The guys in Iraq go, who are you guys again? | ||
| Where have you been? | ||
| The United States? | ||
| No, you're not part of us. | ||
| It's the same bait and switcher. | ||
| We never had a reasoned discussion at any level to talk about regime change. | ||
| I've talked about it here on economic warfare. | ||
| It's what you do is what President Trump started. | ||
| In the first term, and you saw in 22, Jack, when they took to the streets, now, they weren't ready to overthrow the regime, but that's how it gets done, when they take over the streets and they got, you know, two million kids in the streets saying, hey, we don't want to live like this anymore. | ||
| Economic warfare can get you there when it comes from the Persian people. | ||
| It comes from the Kurds that are in Iran. | ||
| It comes from these other groups when they do it. | ||
| If you want to do that, that's how you do it, but that's not overnight. | ||
| It's not a decapitation. | ||
| Colin Powell, who was wrong about so many things, he was dead right on one thing. | ||
| You break it, you own it. | ||
| You break it, you own it. | ||
| And so now we're being upsold in this sense of urgency. | ||
| It has to happen today. | ||
| President Trump has to happen today. | ||
| Nobody has explained why it had to happen last Thursday night. | ||
| Because BB went on Fox on Sunday and told Brett Barrett, they're 12 or 13 months away from having a weapon. | ||
| That's what he said. | ||
| That's his words, not the war rooms. | ||
| 12 to 13 months. | ||
| So did it have to happen last week? | ||
| Does this have to happen today? | ||
| Does the president of the United States not get some time to weigh and measure? | ||
| And then yesterday, Levin's telling him, Jack, what does that even mean? | ||
| The President of the United States, Trump, who's a guy who likes optionality, if you ever give him a range of alternatives in any path as you go down that path, it also has to have options. | ||
| He likes to be able to call audibles, right? | ||
| He understands football. | ||
| He understands kind of strategy. | ||
| You want to always keep them so they don't know you're exactly coming for them. | ||
| How does Levin get off saying no more meetings with the Radians? | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Well, Steve, I'm pretty sure that the American people voted for Donald J. Trump to be president of the United States and not Mark Levin. | ||
| And Steve, President Trump's got two other weapons that I don't hear anybody talking about right now. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Those two weapons are extremely powerful weapons. | ||
| He's got two incredible weapons, one in the bunker buster Besant, and one is bunker buster Whitcoff. | ||
| So you've got Besant on one side with the economics. | ||
| And he understands, by the way, you want to put pressure on the mullahs, well, you go to the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Because the Chinese Communist Party, and you put the squeeze on them, that's Iran's number one largest customer. | ||
| 90% of their oil gets sold to the CCP. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You want this peace in Ukraine? | ||
| You want the ceasefire, this armistice, all this other stuff? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| You're gonna help us put the squeeze on the mullahs as well. | ||
| So through Besson and Witkoff, and everybody remembers, this was President Trump's grand strategy. | ||
| This was the strategy he laid out in the early days of the administration before all this high-pressure sales tactics began and the upselling and all the rest, is he was going to find a way to economically cripple these regimes and then bring in the diplomacy and the military treaties along with ending the Ukraine war and ending this whole war in the Middle East without any of this. | ||
| That was the Besant and Wyckoff plan. | ||
| Dr. Thayer reminds me, I'm going to try to get Thayer on here this afternoon. | ||
| We're trying to get Hugo Lowe on here this afternoon too. | ||
| We also got Steve Camerata is going to come up in a moment and Dave Bratz with us. | ||
| Dr. Thayer brings up a good point because you know we like history here. | ||
| The reason we like history, if you understand history, you understand, hey, the patterns of history, the cycles of history. | ||
| When history is accelerating, what we're living through now is an acceleration moment. | ||
| History, you see, so much things are happening, this is a fourth turning, and now it's accelerating. | ||
| So it kind of tries to overwhelm you. | ||
| What we try to do at the War Room here is make sure that you were a still point in a turning world. | ||
| In World War I, the Times of London at that time was the paper, the global paper. | ||
| It was essentially what the Financial Times of London is today. | ||
| So the Times of London, which is a big paper today, was actually bigger then. | ||
| They had a front page story at the end of June, Jack Posobiec, when Ferdinand and his wife were assassinated by Serbian nationals. | ||
| And he was in the line of succession for the Austrian-Hungary Threat, which was a massive anthem. | ||
| His assassination by Serbian nationals made the front page and was the lead story in the Times of London, I think on the last day of June. | ||
| It did not have another story about it. | ||
| Until, I think, the first of August, when the British went to full mobilization. | ||
| What happened in World War I, same thing's kind of happening here. | ||
| It was all kind of behind the scenes of what's happening, but it wasn't really in the public conscious. | ||
| And all of a sudden, the next thing you know is that, "Yo, we're at war!" We're doing a mobile, and the Germans are mobilizing. | ||
| The von Schlieffen plans kicked in. | ||
| The Germans are on the train. | ||
| They're heading to Paris. | ||
| They're going through Belgium. | ||
| We've secured Belgium neutrality. | ||
| We got a treaty. | ||
| Oh, by the way, that treaty is kind of a secret treaty. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| We need British soldiers. | ||
| That led to the catastrophe, the guns of August. | ||
| Europe's never recovered from that. | ||
| From that came World War II. | ||
| From the depths of those trenches came World War II. | ||
| My point. | ||
| Take a deep breath. | ||
| Let's think this through. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Steve Camerato, Jack Posobiec on the other side. | ||
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| Okay, while all this is going on, this is one of my issues with it, about the distraction of public attention and media attention. | ||
| Steve Camerata joins us for Center for Immigration Study. | ||
| If you know, we don't have Benzman on anymore because Benzman is now the right-hand man of Brother Homan. | ||
| I'm actually making this happen. | ||
| Steve, your story is, I think, kind of a bombshell. | ||
| Can you walk us through, and it's great news, can you walk us through exactly what's happening? | ||
| Look, yes, of course. | ||
| Look, we always hear that immigration is uncontrollable. | ||
| It's like the weather. | ||
| You can find, just search the internet. | ||
| You can't stop it. | ||
| You have to accept it. | ||
| Get used to it. | ||
| Obviously, the massive drop, somewhere around 93-95% in apprehensions at the border since President Trump took over. | ||
| Shows that that was just always absurd on its face. | ||
| But what about folks here, already here? | ||
| Making them go home is not easy. | ||
| Sure, we're going to try to deport more folks, and that makes sense. | ||
| But what about people who go on their own? | ||
| We used to estimate that about 300,000 illegal immigrants actually went home on their own each year. | ||
| You know, they've been here long enough. | ||
| They want to go back and see mom. | ||
| They missed the home country. | ||
| They saved enough money, what have you. | ||
| Well, we can actually estimate those numbers, and I'll tell you how in a second. | ||
| When we look at that data, Every month, the government collects the Current Population Survey, sometimes referred to as the Household Survey. | ||
| It's where we get the unemployment numbers and a lot of other wage data. | ||
| For more than 30 years, they've actually asked, are you foreign-born? | ||
| Where were you born? | ||
| When did you come to America? | ||
| They even ask, in what country your parents were born? | ||
| But anyway, we can use that data to get at least a glimpse, a picture of what's going on. | ||
| It's not perfect, and I can discuss that. | ||
| But when we look at that data, we see a huge decline just since January, January through May, in the number of people who are from Latin America who said that they've arrived in the last 45 years, and they're not citizens. | ||
| That population is highly correlated with the illegal population. | ||
| And then when we do some other analysis, it looks like the illegal immigrant population in the United States fell by about a million just in a four-month period from January to May. | ||
| We could go into some of those caveats. | ||
| And yes, people are missed by the survey, but we can account for some of that. | ||
| And it shows a big change. | ||
| It turns out, if you enforce the law, behavior changes, and some significant fraction of people will go home on their own. | ||
| Steve, this is huge and it's backed up by Scott Bessens, the church sector. | ||
| He had his right-hand man on here to do their study and they said the 2% increase to blue-collar wages was principally or a big part of it was because of – And they said both President Trump stopping it and people self-deporting or leaving. | ||
| A million and four months is monumental. | ||
| Do you guys have any indication at CIS? | ||
| Is it just because it's in the media? | ||
| Is it the ICE raids? | ||
| What's driving? | ||
| because that's just a massive number. | ||
| If you think about it, of the 10 million that came here, what we'd calculate, you know, That's 10%, which is a massive number. | ||
| Do you have any idea of what you think is causing this? | ||
| Oh, I think it is. | ||
| Remember, whatever the coverage in the English language media of enforcement and Trump's actions and so forth and changes in policy, the coverage in the foreign language media in the United States, particularly the Spanish language media, is... | ||
| As a consequence, it magnifies enforcement. | ||
| It makes enforcement seem so much more potent, so much more extensive than perhaps it really is. | ||
| but the point is perception matters. | ||
| Look, bottom line is, if you're driving too fast on the highway like everybody else and you see a cop pull somebody over... | ||
| Does it change your behavior? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The cop didn't actually have to stop you. | ||
| You didn't have to pay a speeding ticket. | ||
| Just the reality is, if enforcement becomes a real possibility, behavior changes. | ||
| We see that in so many circumstances. | ||
| Why wouldn't we expect to see it here? | ||
| Todd Benzman wrote books and really covered people coming across. | ||
| I know CIS has been the lead of this. | ||
| Now that we're talking about a war and people saying, hey, there are all kinds of sleepers, there's Chinese, there's radical jihads, there's Persians, Iranians, you got Muslim Brotherhood. | ||
| What's your sense of how big, just generally how big a threat that is? | ||
| Is that just more conspiracy theory, or is it something that we really need to focus on? | ||
| Well, remember, if a regime as powerful as China wants to get people in, we have a We got, you know, five, eight hundred thousand. | ||
| Other legal immigrants in the United States who are not even U.S. citizens, just Chinese nationals living in the United States. | ||
| It's not that hard for the Communist Party to get someone in. | ||
| So getting someone across the border might not be or slipping into the United States some other way. | ||
| It's not really something they have to work that hard to do. | ||
| But look, we have tens of thousands of Iranian students. | ||
| We give tens of thousands of people from Iran green cards. | ||
| That's permanent residency in the United States every year. | ||
| Do some come across the border? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| What you're really raising is if you have mass immigration. | ||
| Remember, in January, the number of immigrants in the United States in the same data we've been talking about. | ||
| Hit a record high of 53.3 million. | ||
| That's all immigrants in the data. | ||
| Yes, some are missed. | ||
| But that 53.3 million is almost 16% of the population, and that was a record. | ||
| In 1890 or 1910, the last time when it hit a peak, was under 15%. | ||
| And so we have a record foreign-born population. | ||
| And does that make it easier? | ||
| For those who wish to do us harm to get in and operate in massive immigrant communities, yeah, it almost certainly does. | ||
| And that's something to think about. | ||
| There is a national security component to mass immigration, legal and illegal, for that matter. | ||
| And obviously, we don't really think much about that. | ||
| At all, even though we have had foreign-born spies and foreign-born terrorists, a lot of them, a significant number, but it's always a tiny fraction of the total, remember. | ||
| But yeah, it's a great question to ask. | ||
| Are we more vulnerable because we have this record-setting level of legal immigration on top of the illegal immigration? | ||
| Yeah, we probably are. | ||
| I think that's a fair assessment, but I don't have It's one of the reasons Ben's over ice. | ||
| It's one of the reasons Ben's over ice. | ||
| He's one of the experts. | ||
| Steve, last thing, this kind of back and forth, big ag, getting to President Trump or getting people around President Trump about stopping these ICE raids. | ||
| President Trump coming out saying 20 million, all got to go home. | ||
| Puts out another tweet, we're going to double, triple down ice raids in the sanctuary cities, and then he's reversed this temporary policy. | ||
| They're going to go back to ice raids for agriculture, restaurants, hotels, all of it. | ||
| How much is that going to help us on getting the remainder of the $9 million that I calculate are still here from the Biden years? | ||
| Yeah, so bottom line is, if you say, look, we're only going after murderers, robbers, and rapists, and terrorists, if you know who they are, I mean, that's a small fraction of the total, right? | ||
| Whatever you think, I come down on the side that the number of illegal immigrants in the United States is about 16 million, but if you think it's 20 or 10, it doesn't really matter. | ||
| The point is, most are not terrorists, murderers, robbers, or rapists. | ||
| If you want a reduction in illegal immigration, you're going to have to go after what we might call run-of-the-mill illegal immigrants. | ||
| I would just add one thing about agriculture to remind your listeners. | ||
| We already have an unlimited guest worker program in that sector, just for that sector. | ||
| But you have to treat workers a certain way. | ||
| You have to pay them a certain amount. | ||
| And you have to provide them with decent housing. | ||
| And a lot of farmers are not crazy about that. | ||
| They think it's too inflexible. | ||
| They think it costs too much. | ||
| But it is used. | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of people have come in under that program. | ||
| So it is used. | ||
| So if you really think we need agricultural labor, that's a special case. | ||
| It makes up about 4%, maybe, of all illegal immigrants in the United States at most. | ||
| But if you really think, because remember, the ag sector isn't that big relative to the number of people here. | ||
| The agricultural sector, if you really think that's special, maybe you tweak that program. | ||
| but we already have a special program. | ||
| So the idea that we need to make some special allowance and let them And of course, remember, the vast majority of illegal immigrants don't work in agriculture. | ||
| So if we want to get control, we've got to go across the board. | ||
| You can't just say, "I'll only do the criminals." You can start with the criminals, you can prioritize the criminals, but that's not how you enforce the law. | ||
| And that's where their heads are blown up. | ||
| Oh, President Trump never said no. | ||
| He said, and he reiterated with that tweet the other day, a true social, 20 million. | ||
| Camerata, where do people go to CIS? | ||
| Where do they go to get you personally, social media, website, all of it? | ||
| Well, CIS has, you know, we're on Twitter and other social media. | ||
| We have a lot on YouTube. | ||
| But CIS.org, all of our publications, including mine, are there. | ||
| Just CIS.org. | ||
| If Grace and Mo can push us out, everybody in the chat should read this story and push it out. | ||
| President Trump's policies are working. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Dave Bratt, your thoughts and observations, sir. | ||
| Yeah, thank God for Camerata there. | ||
| That's a bombshell. | ||
| He says we don't have data on a lot of this national security thing. | ||
| We do have plenty of data. | ||
| Last week, the Los Angeles riots, the No Kings movement across the entire country, that was the dying gasp of the left, I hope. | ||
| They went all chips in, right, on this domestic war, and that's what it is. | ||
| John Solomon broke the story on illegal voting due to China. | ||
| The No Kings movement is funded by Walmart heiresses, a bunch of elitists, globalists. | ||
| China, I think, was also in on the funding of some of the No Kings things. | ||
| I'm sure Natalie knows all that stuff. | ||
| But we're in the middle of a domestic war, right? | ||
| China, the elitists, the globalists, they're all using this to topple the U.S. regime and the culture we have in this country, like Europe, right? | ||
| London right now, they've lost the battle already. | ||
| They have lost their culture. | ||
| They're going to have to fight to get it back. | ||
| We'll see if that happens. | ||
| But in the U.S., Camerata's data there are promising. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the left, I would expect them to go all in. | ||
| They're going to push all the chips in on this domestic war because they see the numbers moving against them. | ||
| And the voting, that Solomon story, I want to do more on because that is huge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We have the receipts now on China affecting our elections. | ||
| We've said it for years. | ||
| Now we've got the receipts. | ||
| I've got Ava and some of the new federal state people who are going to join me tonight live and go through this. | ||
| Jack Posobiec, correct me if I'm wrong, brother. | ||
| Strategically, is this not the central front that we must win on this front, which is the invasion of our country by these illegal alien invaders brought in by this illegitimate regime called the Biden regime, sir? | ||
| Well, Steve, there's no question, and Kayleigh McEnany was up last night talking about this as well, that this is President Trump's number one issue. | ||
| This is number one in polling. | ||
| This is number one what the voters want. | ||
| This is the number one that voters, when they rack and stack priorities, this is the number one reason President Trump was put into office with the mandate of mass deportations of the illegal invaders. | ||
| And you look at it from a national security perspective, from a geoeconomic perspective, from an economic perspective just for Gen Z. Everyone in middle America, for working Americans, the mass deportations must commence. | ||
| And if they don't, you're not going to have a country. | ||
| In 10, 20, 30 years, the United States of America will cease to be. | ||
| If we do not take care of this issue, this massive invasion and migrant crisis as it is right now. | ||
| And there's a lot of Republicans out there, Steve. | ||
| It's not the Democrats. | ||
| There's a lot of Republicans out there that don't actually believe that this country has been invaded by 20. And by the way, 20 million is the lowest possible estimate right now. | ||
| There's people say 30, 40, 50 million, right? | ||
| There are Republicans who don't actually believe that this country has been invaded, that we are bursting at the seams. | ||
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They don't want every issue across the board from security. | |
| To prime, to housing, to economy, to health care is because of this massive invasion. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Two stories we're going to get to today. | ||
| David Drucker. | ||
| We're going to try to get Drucker on this afternoon. | ||
| Black men's shift towards GOP may not be fleeting. | ||
| And that is in Bloomberg. | ||
| Not in Breitbart. | ||
| Not in Gateway Pundit. | ||
| Not here in the War Room. | ||
| That is David Drucker from the Dispatch. | ||
| No super magasite on Bloomberg. | ||
| Particularly no super magasite. | ||
| Black men's shift towards the GOP may not be fleeting. | ||
| Also, Hugo Lowe. | ||
| At Hugo Lowell at The Guardian, Trump wants to strike Iran only if the U.S. can destroy Fordor's enrichment facility with a bunker bomb. | ||
| The Pentagon concluded earlier this year they don't go deep enough, and totally destroying Fordor requires a tactical nuke. | ||
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| Okay, you got enough turbulence? | ||
| I think it's going to get more turbulent. | ||
| When I talk about a fourth turning in the acceleration, we're going through an acceleration phase. | ||
| Remember we say there's decades in which nothing happens and there are weeks in which decades happen? | ||
| You're living through one of those weeks right now. | ||
| As we've talked about, our theory of the case is that the whole 10 years, the entire decade of President Trump coming on the scene as a political figure and the leader of the MAGA movement, the creator and leader of the America First and the Make America Great Again movement. | ||
| With the ups and downs, triumphs and tragedies, victories and defeats, all of it. | ||
| And you lived it. | ||
| And most of you in this audience worked it. | ||
| Used your own human agency to make sure it manifested itself. | ||
| Because divine providence works through human agency. | ||
| That's just a preamble for the next couple of hundred days. | ||
| Because now you see the convergence of these crises. | ||
| That the globalists either brought on us or the political class just wanted to kick the can down the road where there's no more kicking the can. | ||
| And this is why it's always good to take a deep breath and go, well, hang on for a second. | ||
| Let's take a deep breath. | ||
| You know, we jumped into Vietnam over the I don't know. | ||
| Maybe that wasn't what it was made up to be, right? | ||
| You got the war fever. | ||
| Remember the weapons of mass destruction? | ||
| Got the war fever, the yellow cake, all of it, Colin Powell's, you know, presentation to the security council, which he'll never live down. | ||
| Every time somebody's trying to bum rush you into something, just say, whoa, just like a salesman on a used car line. | ||
| Whoa, let's take a deep breath. | ||
| What are we talking about here? | ||
| Why is this urgent? | ||
| What are you asking me to do? | ||
| What's the outcomes of this? | ||
| What's the secondary and tertiary outcomes? | ||
| What exactly? | ||
| Let's take a deep breath and think this through. | ||
| Think it through. | ||
| Because the law of unintended consequences is essentially the fog of war. | ||
| And that's going to happen. | ||
| That's where the story with Hugo Lowe is so explosive. | ||
| Because the pretty open secret is not Jack Posobiec that, hey, just not, you know, all these people cheerleading, you know, Kayleigh McEnany, let's do something. | ||
| Let's go do something. | ||
| Don't sit in your beach chairs. | ||
| Put your pom-poms down, Kayleigh. | ||
| You know, people have to think this through. | ||
| Not just, let's go do something. | ||
| Let's go drop a bunker-busting bomb and put a bunch of American pilots. | ||
| What did Fox end with today? | ||
| They prayed for the American pilots. | ||
| They're going to do the bombing runs. | ||
| Hey, yo, take a deep breath. | ||
| President Trump tells you we're not there yet. | ||
| Jack Posobiec, your thoughts and observations. | ||
| Well, Steve, look, and I read this piece as well about, and this is all about an assessment from the Department of Defense, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, DTRA, and their goal is, and I've talked about BDA on this program before, It was a battle damage assessment. | ||
| So when you're conducting a strike, whether it be on a facility, whether it be on a building, whether it be on a person in some of these assassination strikes or a hellfire strike, like which took out Soleimani way back when, you're determining what And now the enemy, of course, gets a vote, and they understand our ordnance, and they understand what we have as well. | ||
| This is why Iran employs decoys, and many of their air defense sites that have been struck have actually been decoys. | ||
| This is an old Soviet deception program, Moskorova, which was, you know, they would use inflatables, they would use the rest, and of course it even goes back to the U.S. doing that in Normandy back in World War II. | ||
| And so one of the other, of course, tactics to defeat ordnance is to bury your sights deep underground. | ||
| This, of course, is what Iran has done in this case with the Fordo site. | ||
| And so the Defense Threat Agency, the DTRA, has come in to say, all right. | ||
| This is our assessment, and this has been briefed up to the Pentagon, and it remains to be seen whether or not this has been briefed directly to President Trump in these meetings, where there are serious questions as to whether or not these bunker buster bombs would have the ability to completely take out the facility at Fordo, because it is so deep, because it is within this mountain range south of Tehran there, because it was built for this express. | ||
| If it can penetrate all the way in, because these bombs don't have a lot of explosive power, the bunker busters. | ||
| Their goal is they have a giant steel casing around them. | ||
| That casing penetrates the bunker, or in this case, have to penetrate through solid rock to get all the way to the center of the mountain. | ||
| And then the explosive charge itself actually isn't as large compared to some of the other ordnance out there. | ||
| The entire goal being that it's got to get through. | ||
| That's why the weight is so heavy. | ||
| And that's why you need the B-2 heavy bomber just to be able to get through. | ||
| And even going beyond that, because there are so many levels on this thing, you might only be able to take out the first couple levels. | ||
| The centrifuges down at the bottom might still be intact. | ||
| And by the way, this is exactly why Bibi himself pointed out That you might need commandos to infiltrate this facility to take it out on a direct manned mission, similar to the Bin Laden raid or something like that, where they would go in to ensure the destruction. | ||
| Because if you don't destroy those centrifuges and the scientists and all the rest, because it's a dispersed program, and even though this is the largest site, they have other sites. | ||
| The point being is you may only set them back a year. | ||
| You might only set them back two years. | ||
| And now you're finding yourselves in a shooting war with Iran, which may be, as we've said, this regime change goal that they've been trying to upsell all along. | ||
| Jack, what's your social media? | ||
| I know you've got to bounce. | ||
| Thank you for spending the hour with us. | ||
| Where do people go to get particularly your Twitter feed, which is red hot? | ||
| Well, of course, Steve, until they ban me, I'm up or take me out by other means before the bunker-busting bomb on Bunker Poso goes off. | ||
| We're up at Jack Posobiec. | ||
| We're going to be here 2 p.m. | ||
| And, of course, today we will be celebrating the Feast of the Solemnity of Corpus I don't know if there's any other holidays today, but we're going to be celebrating the solemnity of the Holy Body and the Holy Blood of Christ Jesus. | ||
| And you know, Steve, they're running around telling me, hey, there's no kings, there's no kings, there's no kings. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| No kings but Christ, because Christ is king. | ||
| There he goes, Jack Posovic. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| The head of our writer's staff, Jack Posovic. | ||
| Since we're doing theology these days, since we're going into theology. | ||
| We're leaving that to the Calvinists. | ||
| Dave Brat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Birchgold, as I talk about turbulence, go to New York Times lead story yesterday. | ||
| One of the lead stories. | ||
| Chinese going to make a pitch in Rio while they've got an alternative to the dollar. | ||
| Where have you heard that before? | ||
| Birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| That's the promo code. | ||
| Bannon. | ||
| That would be me. | ||
| End of the dollar empire. | ||
| Get it. | ||
| Understand it. | ||
| You need to know the geoeconomic part of this global conflict. | ||
| And yes, Fox, we're already in the Third World War. | ||
| Ukraine's got almost two million casualties. | ||
| Birchgold.com. | ||
| Do it today. | ||
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