May 24, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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Mega Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| It's Friday, 23 May, Europe, or 2025. | ||
| Thank you for sticking around for the second hour of our late afternoon, early evening edition of War Room. | ||
| Special announcement, 9 a.m. tomorrow morning, not 10, 9 a.m. tomorrow morning, Eastern Daylight Time. | ||
| We'll be live. | ||
| We'll be going to the United States Military Academy at West Point. | ||
| Steve Gruber will be there with the RAV crew. | ||
| We're going to have all three hours. | ||
| The graduation exercise for the cadets will start. | ||
| President Trump, Commander-in-Chief, is going to address the commits. | ||
| The cadets and then give out diplomas and the commissions of these cadets will come shortly thereafter. | ||
| Captain Mo Bannon will be up there, a new member of the Board of Visitors, and we'll be checking in throughout the day. | ||
| So 9 a.m. tomorrow morning till noon, live coverage of the graduation at West Point. | ||
| And then on Monday, 10 a.m. to noon, we'll be covering the ceremony, the commemoration at Arlington National Cemetery for the honored dead of the United States military. | ||
| And Patrick O'Donnell will be my wingman. | ||
| For both days. | ||
| John is my wingman now. | ||
| Mark Beals, our guest. | ||
| Mark, also, I just want to make sure people understand, the little parish that your parents and my parents and these, you know, they're classic deplorables, right? | ||
| Just working class, good folks, very humble with Father Adrian, started this little parish of St. Joseph that has really expanded because of so many vocations, so many young people in the military. | ||
| Just great, great folks, the backbone of the country. | ||
| This is the parish. | ||
| That the Richmond office of the FBI started the investigation because Steve Bannon's parents were involved in it. | ||
| As you know, my dad is as close to a saint as you can get, just a kind, humble man. | ||
| They investigated because Steve Bannon was associated with that parish. | ||
| This is the kind of depravity at the FBI. | ||
| And when I was a kid in that parish of St. Paul's at this time, back in the '50s and '60s, The most revered people in the parish were the FBI agents. | ||
| We had a couple of FBI agents that everybody in the parish looked up to. | ||
| That's not the FBI today. | ||
| How shocking is that, that they investigated for extremism? | ||
| This was a breeding ground. | ||
| You know the folks that go there. | ||
| This is a breeding ground for extremism, sir. | ||
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Yeah, Steve, I wasn't particularly politically aware or active until that happened. | |
| In fact, maybe I could even have said that I was sort of burying my head a little bit in the sand, but once they kind of come – It's sort of hard not to pay attention. | ||
| I just remember my, like, grandmother who I was very close with and her little shawl and her rosary kneeling to take communion. | ||
| And here the FBI was potentially engaged there. | ||
| It was a very shocking, I think, experience for me. | ||
| And completely not consistent with what I know the great men and women of the FBI, you know, swore the oath of the Constitution to protect the country. | ||
| That never seemed like something that they would ever do. | ||
| No, pretty shocking, particularly given you and all the great, the young people that came out of there and went in the military, went to build businesses. | ||
| It's just incredible. | ||
| Joe Allen, we've got a couple more questions for Mark before we let you go. | ||
| Really thank you for coming in, sir, given everything you've got on your plate. | ||
| Joe Allen, take it away. | ||
| Yeah, Mark, you know, we talk a lot about the religious implications of artificial intelligence in general, but also artificial general intelligence and superintelligence. | ||
| concept basically of a digital God. | ||
| I don't want to put you on the spot too much with, in regards to your own belief, but if you could speak to the spiritual aspect of this, the religious aspect of this and the struggle against these Silicon Valley, maybe you could say transgressions. | ||
| Transhumanist, post-humanists, and the aims that they have. | ||
| How do you personally, if you care to speak to that, see this in religious terms or just your involvement in the church in general? | ||
| The statements from Pope Leo XIV. | ||
| How do you see religious communities responding to this? | ||
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I had the – I think – | |
| And I think when you hear the public statements that are made, you know, how AI will make humanity no longer essential, or AI will, you know, we should be planning for succession and handing the keys of the kingdom over to AI, and ultimately this goal of building the digital god to usher in an era of immortality. | ||
| And by the way, these aren't things I necessarily think I think it's hard for people of faith to not kind of be grabbed by the lapels and confront this potentially very hostile series of developments that could affront people of religious faith. | ||
| And I remember back in my time at Benedictine, we had to write this essay on freedom. | ||
| I was a senior in high school on 9/11 and freedom was sort of the talk of the day. | ||
| And as long as you people had the freedom to choose the good in the world, and I worry about a future in which And by the way, you hear folks talking about ideas around universal basic income, and they promise this utopia. | ||
| But I tell you, folks who have studied history know that every time someone makes a claim about utopia, it ends in one place, and that place is the gulag. | ||
| But I also think this technology could be Bring about a tremendous amount of benefits for people, especially if we don't have to go all the way to the superintelligence that some people want to build and focus in on improving the quality of life for all Americans, improving health care. | ||
| But we'll have to sort of think very carefully. | ||
| And I think we saw a letter from some evangelical Christian leaders sent to the president just a few days ago urging the president to take some of these issues much more seriously and ensure that those folks have a seat at the table. | ||
| The last thing I'll mention, Joe, here on this one is that the idea of AGI, artificial general intelligence, this capability might be happening as soon as President Trump is in office. | ||
| And so as we sort of think about what's coming right around the corner, the people of our country, I think, need to get a lot more engaged, calling their members of Congress, expressing concern, and otherwise being activated on this one. | ||
| As Steve made, this is perhaps the most important test certainly of our lifetime, if maybe not even of human history. | ||
| And I know that sounds a little fantastical, but I really believe that it might be true. | ||
| Well, just listening to the people like – in my opinion, especially when it comes to total human replacement or human extinction as a goal. | ||
| It has to be excised from the culture. | ||
| We'll quit, too. | ||
| That's Johnny Moore, and the ChristianAILetter.org, I believe, is the open letter that Mark Beal just mentioned. | ||
| We had Max Tegmark on in the last few days and he I think echoes a lot of your sentiments as far as the positive potentiality of AI and Avoiding the negative I myself I got to say speaking to you guys I always have to suppress my Luddite instincts so that I don't come in as a big party pooper, but I am So, Mark, if you would, just please tell us where we can find you. | ||
| Tell us where we can find out about your work at the AI Policy Network and what sorts of things you guys are going to be doing in the near future. | ||
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Yeah, so we're going to continue our guerrilla campaign on Capitol Hill and with the public to try to get the message out and try to just help folks understand what's happening in this field and help Congress navigate this issue as best they can on behalf of the country and fulfillment of their duties under the Constitution. | |
| You guys can find me on Twitter, Mark Beal, and at the AIPN.org. | ||
| We're always looking for supporters and for folks to help us with our mission. | ||
| So if you'd like to get more involved, please do feel free to reach out and say hi, and we'd be delighted to chat. | ||
| Okay, Mark Beal, thank you very much. | ||
| Look forward to speaking to you again. | ||
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Thank you, gentlemen. | |
| Have a wonderful day, and I'd like to say happy Memorial Day and suggestively call out a Benedictine colleague, Nick Kervin, USMC, who died in Afghanistan. | ||
| We miss you, Swervin Kervin. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| That's the weekend we commemorate these fallen heroes, the honored dead of the American military. | ||
| Thank you so much, Mark Beal, and Benedictine generated some great, great leaders. | ||
| Really, really fantastic institution. | ||
| Talking about great leaders, Mo is going to the Board of Visitors at West Point. | ||
| We also have another war room posse regular, Catherine O 'Neill. | ||
| Catherine, big announcement you put up on Twitter a little while ago. | ||
| Where are you headed? | ||
| You're taking a senior leadership position on a board that is very close to our heart. | ||
| In fact, we had the head of the organization on the show this morning talking about Hungary and Poland. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Thanks, Steve, for having me on. | ||
| So I just joined the board of the American Conservative, which is an organization that's near and dear to me. | ||
| My family's been involved with it from the very beginning, and I believe that it was the first true publication to parrot the America First agenda, and I'm very happy to be a part of it and help continue the legacy there. | ||
| Are you going to go to Hungary or Poland? | ||
| Or how involved are you going to be in CPAC? | ||
| American Conservative is, I know it's the magazine you guys put out. | ||
| Is this Kurt Mills' magazine? | ||
| Yes, this is Kurt Mills. | ||
| Yeah, he was a dear friend of mine. | ||
| Kurt Mills, now you get into a very controversial, we love Kurt Mills, very controversial guy. | ||
| Yes, he is. | ||
| But he is on the forefront of the anti-war America First movement, you know, talking about the endless wars, preventing us from going to war with Iran right now, which is very scary, as you know. | ||
| So Kurt is doing a brilliant job over there to try to prevent that. | ||
| Your father and brother have been very engaged in this also. | ||
| What has attracted the O 'Neill family with all the different people that come to you, etc? | ||
| This magazine and Kurt Mills, we've known Kurt now for 10 years as a young editor. | ||
| What has it attracted to the O 'Neill family for you guys to get engaged here? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It was not only my father and my brother, but also my grandmother, who you knew very well, former Ambassador Faith Whittlesey, was involved in the creation of TAC. | ||
| She was also on the board of the Rockford Institute, which is out of Illinois. | ||
| And it's just parroting these ideals of... | ||
| And I think they were the ones that were not afraid to say these things 30 years ago when, you know, maybe they weren't as popular. | ||
| Another one is a guy named Pap Buchanan. | ||
| My family was very... | ||
| My dad was with him in New Hampshire when he won the primary. | ||
| I believe it was in 92. So those were the ideals that I was raised on. | ||
| And so I want to make sure that we're continuing that legacy within my family. | ||
| Do you think you guys are winning the conversation? | ||
| I know Kurt's very close to Tucker. | ||
| You've got this whole kind of wing now of the MAGA movement. | ||
| Do you guys believe you're winning the intellectual argument in regards to, I wouldn't say isolationism. | ||
| You know, J.D. gave a talk at the Naval Academy today to talk about the new reality of American foreign policy and national security. | ||
| Do you guys think you're winning the intellectual argument? | ||
| Absolutely, 100%. | ||
| I believe that it's the right argument to make. | ||
| And I think Donald Trump has been brilliant in bringing that argument to the forefront of our dialogue here in this country. | ||
| Putting America and Americans first is the cornerstone of the American conservative magazine and has been since its inception. | ||
| And so I believe that those ideas are now in the mainstream media. | ||
| I mean, people are parroting America first all the time. | ||
| It's popular. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| And I think, you know, kudos to people like my grandmother, Pat Buchanan, my dad, Kurt Mills, for starting that and starting that trend and keeping it relevant. | ||
| Talk to me about the company. | ||
| You're taking this board seat now, but you're still going to run the, you're still running Merriweather Farms. | ||
| For Memorial Day, what do you got for us? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| So we have our... | ||
| It's like a slim gym, but much healthier. | ||
| And we're offering a 20% discount on these beef sticks with code word War Room 20. They're a great snack. | ||
| I go to the gym a lot and I eat them a lot after my workout. | ||
| It's nine grams of protein. | ||
| No weird preservatives or anything that you find in the bigger brands. | ||
| So as you know, our beef is clean. | ||
| No antibiotics, no hormones. | ||
| And so it's a great snack for active people, for kids. | ||
| My daughter loves them. | ||
| She's two. | ||
| She'll crush an entire beef stick by herself. | ||
| But yeah, so go to our website, meriwetherfarms.com, and you'll see them right on the homepage, code word WARROOM20 for 20% off the beef sticks. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| You've been on a couple of campaigns for Trump. | ||
| You've been in the State Department for President Trump. | ||
| You've been in the White House for President Trump. | ||
| You've been a total, complete warrior. | ||
| Now you're one of the great young entrepreneurs out there and you're stepping up to help the folks over Thank you, ma 'am. | ||
| One more time, where do people over the weekend go to Meriwether Farms? | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| So go to meriwetherfarms.com and you'll see the beef sticks right on the homepage. | ||
| Use code word WARROOM20 for 20% off these beef sticks. | ||
| I'm telling you, they're the best beef sticks you've ever had, I promise. | ||
| And I love that two-year-old daughter crushing one. | ||
| Thank you, ma 'am. | ||
| You have a great Memorial Day weekend. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| You too, Steve. | ||
| I want to go. | ||
| Todd Benzman cannot join us. | ||
| Something came up. | ||
| He's working on something. | ||
| We're going to try to get Todd after the Memorial Day commemoration, probably on Tuesday. | ||
| But we've got Sheriff Roy Boyd from Goliath, Texas. | ||
| Sheriff, here's what I don't understand. | ||
| We're going to have Russo on in a minute. | ||
| He did great Texans for strong borders. | ||
| I think people around the country understand that Texas is the railhead of MAGA. | ||
| And one of the basic principles of President Trump is not simply to secure the border. | ||
| But that you've got to deport the illegal aliens that are here. | ||
| And we hear now there's this huge fight, I guess, in the Texas House and Senate about a bill, what, 287G. | ||
| And everybody tells me the guy to talk to about this is Sheriff Roy Boyd. | ||
| Can you walk our audience through why this is even a controversy down in Texas, given the great patriots and folks down there that support President Trump and support the MAGA agenda? | ||
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Thanks for having me on, Steve. | |
| But I will tell you first and foremost that While Texas may be full of conservatives and we're predominantly a rural state, we're becoming urbanized very fast. | ||
| And if we're not careful, we're going to be the new Californian another 15 to 20 years at the rate we're going. | ||
| So our legislature is not nearly as conservative as most of the people in the state of Texas would like to believe they are. | ||
| And as a result of that, they're fighting constantly about what they're going to do, because you have many people now in the state of Texas at the local level. | ||
| And some of those you'll be able to see because they switched over to the Republican Party during the first Trump administration, realizing that they were going to be swept. | ||
| If they didn't get on board with what Trump was saying. | ||
| And so they've mimicked those things. | ||
| But when it comes time to passing legislation, they always get a little bit soft on what they need to do. | ||
| You know, the bill you're talking about with 287G is Senate Bill 8. And I wrote some language for this bill. | ||
| But I will tell you, it's not just the legislature's fault. | ||
| It's also law enforcement's fault. | ||
| Because a lot of the sheriffs don't want to be told what to do. | ||
| And I can understand that. | ||
| But the problem is, now in the bill, Unless you are a county of 100,000 or more people, you are not mandated to participate in the 287G program. | ||
| And so what that means is out of 254 counties in the state of Texas, only 43 counties will be mandated to request to participate in 287G. | ||
| Doesn't mean they have to participate. | ||
| It just means they have to request it. | ||
| And if they do get accepted, there's nothing in there about them actually doing the job. | ||
| And so the problem is we do it half casual and we're not actually making things happen. | ||
| Just explain to the audience what this, because I think people are like, can't believe. | ||
| Local law enforcement, and particularly the sheriffs of the counties, which are so powerful in Texas as law enforcement, you're not actually working with federal authorities? | ||
| Why do we actually have to pass a bill? | ||
| Why don't you guys just work in hand in glove anyway? | ||
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Man, your guess is good as mine. | |
| The problem is you've got a vast array in law enforcement. | ||
| It doesn't matter where you are. | ||
| But you have some folks that get elected to sheriff, and for them, it's their chance. | ||
| They're at the apex of their career, and they're going to put their feet on their desk. | ||
| For some of them, they're like the dog that caught the car by the bumper, and it's dragging them down the road because it's actually too much for them to manage and to comprehend. | ||
| And then you have some of those that have other political leanings, even though they run Republican, that don't want to do anything. | ||
| The Border Sheriffs' Coalition is a good example. | ||
| The Border Sheriffs' Coalition wants nothing to do with enforcement. | ||
| They want all the Stone Guard money in the world, and they don't want anything to do with disrupting cartel activity down along the border. | ||
| And we've seen it firsthand, because our investigations in our county, based off of our task force efforts, always lead down to the border. | ||
| But we don't get cooperation in most of the counties down there. | ||
| And so you have a wide dynamic of personalities and interests in local law enforcement. | ||
| And so I pushed for this bill to have all-encompassing language in it that requires all law enforcement. | ||
| But first off, the legislature didn't want to include the municipal law enforcement. | ||
| And they didn't want to force the sheriffs because some of the sheriffs were upset because they didn't want to have to participate if they didn't want to. | ||
| And part of that problem goes back to a couple things, Steve. | ||
| Number one, the Trump administration has done a miserable job of marketing the 287G program because historically 287G is a jail program. | ||
| And so many in law enforcement still look at it as a jail program because it was called 287G. | ||
| They should have come out and called it 1357G authorities or something different to differentiate it from the jail program. | ||
| And so, you know, there's that portion of it. | ||
| And then you have the fact that a lot of folks in law enforcement are still stuck on that and are ignorant of the fact that it's changed. | ||
| Our DPS in the state of Texas got it in front of the legislature and testified that this was a procedural program. | ||
| They didn't need to participate. | ||
| That's our troopers across all 254 counties. | ||
| And somebody's up there testifying that it's a procedural program. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| With the three models of 287G at this point in time, there's an option for everybody. | ||
| And then you also have those who complain that it might cost them something. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Because this is something that we're at the Supreme Court now with President Trump being Commander-in-Chief. | ||
| Are the sheriffs right now, are you guys working with Homan and people to actually fill the flights that are going to Central America? | ||
| Is this one of the reasons we have to have this bill? | ||
| Like, for instance, are local sheriffs in Texas actually working? | ||
| As partners with Holman, just to fill these flights and get people out of there, because these flights took off from South Texas. | ||
| Is that one of the problems? | ||
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Some of the sheriffs are working with Holman. | |
| Some are. | ||
| I've met with him on numerous occasions in the last year. | ||
| I sat down, talked with him about some, actually presented him with a plan for, you know, leveraging state and local law enforcement under a task force model. | ||
| And I know that they're taking part of that recommendation and getting ready to bring it to fruition once the budget is passed. | ||
| But I will tell you that I would say the majority of the sheriffs are not wholeheartedly supporting and helping Tom Holman in this mission. | ||
| And I think it's a cry in shame because I believe every one of us. | ||
| has a duty to the Constitution of the United States, to the people of the United States, and we need to get off our butts, and we need to get moving, and we need to support the federal government and Tom Holman wholeheartedly because the American people have given President Trump a mandate to take care of this problem. | ||
| And if we don't stand up and do it, then what we're going to do is we're going to find that we've wasted these four years. | ||
| We're either going to Get rid of the cartel in the United States or we're going to embolden them and they're going to remain. | ||
| And until we remove all the illegal aliens in this country and we go after the cartel's contractors, subcontractors, affiliates, and their supporting businesses in the United States, we will never deny them their ability to make profit. | ||
| And that is exactly what they're after. | ||
| Brother Russo from Texas for a Strong Border joins this. | ||
| Now, I think, caught some heat in the in the. | ||
| Not just folks in Texas, but they're kind of stunned that there actually are sheriffs out there that are not working with Homan right now to fill these planes and get these folks back to Venezuela or back to Central America. | ||
| Where do we stand on this whole thing? | ||
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So good to be with you, Steve, and good to see you, Sheriff Boyd. | |
| Right now, it's on... | ||
| And so once it passes the House, it's already passed the Senate. | ||
| And so once it goes there, the Senate can choose whether to concur or refuse the changes that were made or that will be made in the Texas House. | ||
| If they concur with those changes, then it'll be sent to the governor's desk or it can be signed into law. | ||
| We think that this bill is going to pass in one form or another, and we've been fighting all session for exactly what Sheriff Boyd talked about. | ||
| We actually testified on the Senate side and in the House companion bill to have that change made. | ||
| We're hoping that that can get made on the House floor tomorrow, and hopefully the bill that reaches the governor's death longer than the one that passed the Texas Senate. | ||
| So hang on for one second. | ||
| I'm going to hold you guys through the break, and we've got another big guest coming up. | ||
| We're going to get back into artificial intelligence with Joe Allen, but I've got to get this sorted. | ||
| Why do you think, because this was kind of problematic, whether either you put it on the calendar or the vote, why are you confident right now on Friday going on Memorial Day, which is kind of stunning, the working Memorial Day weekend, why do you think this thing will pass in the House tomorrow? | ||
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I think it'll pass because it's on the calendar. | |
| Chris froze up. | ||
| Here's what we're going to do. | ||
| We're gonna take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're gonna bring in It's kind of stunning. | ||
| You think sheriffs down there are not openly working with Holman, but it's been a big problem. | ||
| And I know it's been a big problem about filling these planes and making sure they're totally full before they leave. | ||
| So we're going to bring back Russo. | ||
| We're going to bring back Boyd. | ||
| We're going to get to the bottom of this. | ||
| Also, a major guest, James Polis, is going to join us. | ||
| With Joe Allen on a Friday, this artificial intelligence, I'm telling you, this thing that was slipped in to the big, beautiful bill, I realize you can't let these states pass 9,000 laws, but to just pass it through, put it in there with no discussion, no debate, not the best. | ||
| Times of turbulence, you heard Besant, you heard Secretary and Treasury Besant at the beginning of the show about the big, beautiful bill, also the capital markets and tariffs, pretty turbulent today in the bond market. | ||
| Remember, they get a vote. | ||
| Make sure you understand all this. | ||
| Birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| The end of the dollar empire. | ||
| The Rio reset. | ||
| Rio is going to take place on July 6th. | ||
| The BRICS nations led by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Many of them are not our friend. | ||
| Make sure you understand fully what's going to go on and why gold has been a hedge for 5,000 years. | ||
| A man's recorded history. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're going back to Texas in a moment. | ||
| War Room. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| This is... | ||
| The situation in Texas is not right. | ||
| I mean, Texas is the railhead of the MAGA movement, to be blunt. | ||
| Even more than Florida or Georgia, Tennessee, Arizona, all these great states that are MAGA states. | ||
| Texas is it, and there's something not right down there. | ||
| They heard the warning of Sheriff Boyd. | ||
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972Patriot. | |
| Call today. | ||
| Sheriff Boyd, tomorrow's game day. | ||
| You've worked on this from the beginning. | ||
| It's kind of one of your ideas. | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
| What are they going to do to talk to their rep? | ||
| Because it's coming down to the vote. | ||
| When you've got the votes, call the vote. | ||
| So what have folks got to do tonight? | ||
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Well, this is a call to action. | |
| You're absolutely right, Steve. | ||
| Everybody needs to get on their phones. | ||
| They need to call their state rep. | ||
| If you don't know the number to your state rep, go to house.texas.gov. | ||
| You can find all the state reps. | ||
| Call them. | ||
| Start calling their offices because they're going to be working through the weekend. | ||
| They will have their staff there. | ||
| You know, they're politicians. | ||
| They work off of pressure. | ||
| Call them, pressure them to pass the House version of Senate Bill 8. Tell them to move that bill forward. | ||
| It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. | ||
| It's all we have at this point in time. | ||
| But tell them, we need a more conservative Texas, and we need to get on board with supporting the agenda of President Trump, and we need to save our great state from the direction it's going right now. | ||
| Sheriff Boyd, social media, where do people track you and follow you, sir? | ||
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I'm not a social media person. | |
| They can follow the Goliad County Sheriff's Office. | ||
| I will tell you right now, I'm more of a field guy. | ||
| Yesterday, I arrested two illegal aliens in Venezuelan smoking dope in a Whataburger parking lot. | ||
| I'm not much on sitting around on the computer if I don't have to. | ||
| All I'd rather do is say thank you so much, Steve. | ||
| You're an absolute patriot. | ||
| And law enforcement appreciates the fact that you're willing to go the full length and go to prison for the benefit of your country. | ||
| And in order to take up for your president and our president. | ||
| So thank you and God bless you, Steve. | ||
| Well, thank you for the kind of work. | ||
| Sheriff Boyd, we do this to support guys like you in the field. | ||
| And we can kind of tell you we're not a social media darling, but God bless you for being out in the field and arresting these bad guys. | ||
| Appreciate you, sir. | ||
| You want to know what makes America great? | ||
| That's what makes America great right there. | ||
| That's why we are great. | ||
| Folks like that, you got to support him. | ||
| Russo, what do people got to do? | ||
| You guys have worked your tail off. | ||
| Texans for strong borders. | ||
| You got great people like Sheriff Boyd. | ||
| I think people's heads are kind of blowing up that everybody in Texas is not on board with this, including some sheriffs. | ||
| So where do people go tonight? | ||
| You've done a Herculean job of getting this on the agenda where they can't run away from it. | ||
| It's going to be voted on Memorial Day weekend probably tomorrow, Saturday. | ||
| So where do folks go tonight? | ||
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So what you guys need to do is... | |
| Go to house.texas.gov, where, who, which, or who your state rep is. | ||
| And I would call them, no matter if they're a Republican or a Democrat, and say, hey, we have to get this across the finish line because the Texas House has not passed any major border security legislation this session, and we're getting to the deadline. | ||
| It's Tuesday. | ||
| But I have heard... | ||
| It's very early in the calendar. | ||
| And so it's not something that they're going to be able to punt. | ||
| And the fact is, is that when the light is shining on them, they're going to feel pressure to vote the right way. | ||
| And I think that's what's going to end up happening. | ||
| So if you guys could just keep the pressure on, call your state rep, make sure that – Yeah, this bill is not perfect, so we make it a lot better. | ||
| So make sure you call your rep tonight. | ||
| Social media, where do people go, Russo, to follow you tonight? | ||
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You can follow us. | |
| It's on X at StrongBordersTX or go to our website at StrongBorders.org. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Thank you for this fight. | ||
| Tomorrow is game day. | ||
| Sheriff Boyd and Chris Russo are telling you that. | ||
| Make sure you go check out tonight. | ||
| Talk to your rep. | ||
| Let's make this thing stronger on the House floor tomorrow and win. | ||
| I love the fact that we're entering Memorial Day weekend. | ||
| We're bringing one of the smartest guys I know. | ||
| Joe Allen, you've got a cold open. | ||
| The floor is yours for our very special guest to wrap up our coverage today. | ||
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You're standing in front of someone who looks like an absolute mutant, like you said, but it's only because when they look at themselves on their phone, they look great. | |
| Like when they take a picture, they look great because it's made for the camera. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Yeah, it's like the same sort of thing where, you know, you focus so much on what seem to be these higher order things or this higher level of abstraction or scale that you neglect the roots and the roots die. | ||
| We've got people now who are optimizing for the shimmering visage of the disincarnate avatar. | ||
| And the foundation of that, you know, what's supposed to be the root of the image is hacked away and you're just left with this kind of floating mask. | ||
| All right, we are honored to be joined by the great James Pullis, host of Zero Hour, author of Human Forever, The Digital Politics of Spiritual War. | ||
| And I must say that book released in 2021 was a profound influence on my own work, both my writing and my work. | ||
| How are you, my friend? | ||
| Joe, it's a pleasure to see you. | ||
| Thanks for the kind words about that book. | ||
| When I came on War Room, told everyone Human Forever was here, the response was really overwhelming. | ||
| You know, thousands and thousands of folks. | ||
| So the feeling is mutual. | ||
| It's great to be back. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Fantastic, man. | ||
| So I really want to talk to you about the moment we're in right now with politics and technology. | ||
| You really saw this coming where many thought that it would be sidelined indefinitely. | ||
| You have the Vatican coming out and the new Pope, Pope Leo XIV. | ||
| Talking about the threats and downsides of artificial intelligence and human replacement. | ||
| You also have a lot of Orthodox Christians who are also really, really discussing this in a serious way. | ||
| I think they get less attention in the mainstream media. | ||
| You have people like Jonathan Paggio, who you were there interviewing on Zero Hour. | ||
| You have Paul Kingsnorth and, of course, yourself. | ||
| But before we get to that, I just want to give you an opportunity. | ||
| Excited to read it. | ||
| You have a new book out, a novel. | ||
| What's it called and what can we expect from it? | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I will hold up a visual aid right here. | ||
| It's called I Know This Sounds Crazy. | ||
| It's available on Amazon for the dollar. | ||
| I know my previous book, Human Forever, was a Bitcoin-only thing. | ||
| That's been a wild ride and one that I can speak more about at great length. | ||
| But this one's on Amazon. | ||
| It's called I Know This Sounds Crazy. | ||
| It's the world's only novel about the Jeffrey Epstein universe. | ||
| It's got Epstein and Ghislaine and all those characters in it. | ||
| It's something that I started. | ||
| I started writing in 2020 during the lockdowns. | ||
| I thought it needed to be addressed and it wasn't really something that people could get real information on. | ||
| Sending, you know, folks obviously down all the rabbit holes. | ||
| Not that there's anything wrong with that. | ||
| But, you know, this is what art is supposed to do in a society. | ||
| Marshall McLuhan called artists our early warning systems. | ||
| And I wanted to play that role in this case. | ||
| So I put the book out, you know, strangely enough. | ||
| I put it out under a pseudonym. | ||
| I was a little worried for my professional reputation. | ||
| We didn't know what was going on in those dark days of lockdowns. | ||
| Put it out under a pseudonym on the Bitcoin blockchain. | ||
| Again, that version is still a collector's item over at Canonic.xyz. | ||
| But for the version that's got my name on it, Walter Kern, the great Walter Kern, blurbed it. | ||
| That means it's got to be good. | ||
| So Amazon is the place to find. | ||
| I know this sounds crazy. | ||
| It's full of lessons from my life. | ||
| You know, the majority of my life spent in Los Angeles. | ||
| I've seen some of the dark things that scurry around in the underbelly of that town and of the whole world. | ||
| I wanted to give people a peek, a glimpse into that world, why I think it works the way that it does, and in the end, what kind of redemption we might find on the other side. | ||
| Well, I appreciate that closing note because I got to say that the entire sordid affair of Epstein and even the connections to transhumanism and technology, it's something that is very difficult for people to confront and really gaze into that abyss. | ||
| So I'm glad there is redemption. | ||
| You know, you've been an artist all your life. | ||
| You were a musician or are a musician, but that was your career for a long time, no? | ||
| You know, I did two tours of duty in LA as the front man of a couple bands. | ||
| Like I say, it's a great way to spend money. | ||
| All right, so on to politics and AI. | ||
| I mean, we... | ||
| You have the more extreme notions of total human replacement, of creating an artificial intelligence that is a digital god that will wrathfully destroy all the human race. | ||
| Put you in some kind of rocos basilisk hell. | ||
| I'm curious, what are you seeing right now? | ||
| How does this look to you? | ||
| Does it seem hopeful? | ||
| What would you like to see happen in regards to regulating or not regulating AI? | ||
| Well, you know, it's tough with regulation because in some ways, as you know, regulation can only make things worse. | ||
| You're probably old enough to remember, as am I. Back when all our libertarian friends would go around saying, you can't legislate morality. | ||
| And well, you know, yes, you can. | ||
| But the question is, how well does it work? | ||
| And I think in this instance, what we're talking about is a spiritual condition that so many human beings find themselves in. | ||
| A poor spiritual condition where they feel like they really have no choice, no alternative but to worship. | ||
| Not just to appreciate intelligence, not just to increase their own intelligence, but to actually throw themselves at the feet of intelligence as the one true God and welcome it into their bodies, into their hearts, into their consciousness. | ||
| Really just tear down the boundary between ourselves, our given bodies, our souls. | ||
| And this outside intelligence, which is oftentimes just something flying around in the air. | ||
| You can't see it. | ||
| You can't smell it. | ||
| You can't taste it. | ||
| You can't touch it. | ||
| But it can do all those things to you. | ||
| And so, look, this is a powerful technology. | ||
| And we are going to have powerful technologies. | ||
| There have always been powerful technologies in this world and they always, in virtue of their function as tools, they offer. | ||
| And those temptations can be as powerful as the technologies themselves. | ||
| And I think at this moment, there is such a yearning in the hearts of so many people for a kind of spiritual authority they can trust. | ||
| We're long gone past the age when imagination ruled everything, and whether it was John Lennon or George Lucas or Steven Spielberg or all the geniuses of the imagination, if you can dream it, you can do it, Walt Disney, all that kind of stuff, that's gone. | ||
| Machine memory is now more powerful than human imagination. | ||
| That's what Human Forever, one of the things Human Forever got into, turned out to be correct. | ||
| We're seeing that every day. | ||
| And, you know, that's not necessarily evil. | ||
| We're not going to save the world with dreams and fantasies. | ||
| Who's going to save my soul? | ||
| And they look around for the most powerful thing that seems to be looming and dominating over all of our lives, and they say, ah, it's machine intelligence. | ||
| I'm going to go with that. | ||
| This is a mistake, just as worshiping fire, worshiping, Obviously, a mistake. | ||
| This is idolatry. | ||
| And that's not just something, you know, a table of old guys made up one day. | ||
| It is a phenomenon that we experience in our lives, regardless of where we are in time and space. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Not worth it. | ||
| We don't have to call on the airstrikes and blow up all the data centers like the doomers say. | ||
| We just have to start with not worshiping intelligence. | ||
| You know, our mutual friend, Artie and Tola, I think... | ||
| Ardian was the founder of Canonic.xyz. | ||
| That's where Human Forever was published on the blockchain. | ||
| Ardian talks a lot about Bitcoin monasteries, and I have struggled to explain this to myself, to the War Room Posse, and to anyone who will hear. | ||
| If you would be so kind, can you illuminate us about this cyborg theocracy, about these Bitcoin monasteries? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So cyborg theocracy is what it sounds like. | ||
| A theocracy is a form of rule that is fundamentally religious. | ||
| And a cyborg is a cyber organism. | ||
| That's the long form word. | ||
| And so what Ardian and some of the rest of us have been trying to draw attention to is this idea that in a world, in a society where intelligence, which is one little piece of | ||
| It leads to one where the worship of intelligence is turned into an official religion, a religion of the regime, and one in which, in order to properly worship intelligence fully, in order to give yourself body and soul over to the god of intelligence, who is a false god, you must merge with that intelligence. | ||
| You must become a cyborg, right? | ||
| I think of the Borg from Star Trek Next Generation. | ||
| Yes, I'm throwing around these boomer memes because they did understand a thing or two. | ||
| And the better of the artists did see some of this stuff coming. | ||
| So that's kind of the essence of the cyborg theocracy concept. | ||
| And when it comes to Bitcoin monasteries, this is presented as kind of a... | ||
| So sometimes the Bitcoin people are, monasteries, no, what are you doing? | ||
| This is magic money and it's going to make everyone be happy forever. | ||
| And then some of the Christians among us are, Bitcoin, no, this is the devil. | ||
| You're summoning demons. | ||
| So it's like, OK, everyone calm down. | ||
| Basically what we're saying is Bitcoin is this kind of – it's a universal field. | ||
| It's a technology. | ||
| It's a protocol. | ||
| It is a form of computation that kind of has like a universal adapter on it. | ||
| Like if you fly to Europe and your plugs don't work and you have to get this big white thing with all these kinds of holes in it so you can connect everything up. | ||
| It's sort of like that. | ||
| Bitcoin has this tremendous power. | ||
| It's one of the most powerful technologies in the world. | ||
| And the remarkable thing about it is it's one that ordinary people can start using, as many of them are, right now. | ||
| The challenge is a lot of folks in the Bitcoin community say, no, no, no, don't use it. | ||
| This is the most precious thing in existence. | ||
| Just keep hoarding. | ||
| Climb on top of your favorite hill, sit there, watch the sun go up and the sun go down and the number go up and eventually everyone will be a gazillionaire and we won't have to do anything. | ||
| That's not America, you know, a commercial republic. | ||
| It's not super American from my point of view. | ||
| Certainly not super Christian, but that's kind of the dominant meme in Bitcoin these days. | ||
| I would say the better way to understand Bitcoin is this is a universal computational system that if you don't use it, To pay people who you want to pay to produce and sell or give to you things that you want to have, then guess what? | ||
| Other more powerful people are going to come along, they're going to get their hands on Bitcoin, and they are going to use it to use you, to remake you in their image. | ||
| If you don't like the sound of that, it strikes me as pretty American to say, hey guys, let's get together, let's actually use this computational protocol. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| To reward our friends, our loved ones, and yes, even the monasteries. | ||
| After all, who seems to have a more important role in dealing with the domination of AI in our society than people whose full-time job is to pray for the salvation of the world and to renounce all of the petty and fleeting cares of everyday life so they can concentrate? | ||
| On their relationship, on welcoming the Holy Spirit into their hearts, right? | ||
| If you're looking for a spiritual authority you can trust, I would say monastery is probably a pretty good place to look. | ||
| So, hey, why not set up the monks with a Bitcoin wallet so you can donate to your favorite monastery in Bitcoin? | ||
| And when you extrapolate out from that, you start to think of like, okay, if you think of Bitcoin as like this big beast, sort of like a dragon or something, this all power, really, really muscular creature. | ||
| You don't want it running amok and knocking down cities and sort of eating people and sort of not even realizing it half the time. | ||
| You want it to be somewhat domesticated, right? | ||
| You want it to maybe even have a leash or a chain. | ||
| Who is capable of bringing this kind of enormous mechanical beast to heal? | ||
| not killing it, not letting it rule, but bringing it to heel. | ||
| And the idea is, well, the spiritual authorities who we can best trust are the ones who can best show us how to take a kind of Absolutely. | ||
| Beautifully put. | ||
| James Polos, where can we find your work? | ||
| You know, our force of nature in this field, Zero Hour, your books, where do we find it before we pass this off to Steve to close us out? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I'm doing a couple different things for Blaze Media right now. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
| The show, Zero Hour, which you mentioned. | ||
| The magazine, the new magazine, Frontier. | ||
| If you like, you know, the golden age of print, we thought that it was a good time to do the golden age of print magazine, large format, coffee table ready for an American golden age. | ||
| And that's Frontier. | ||
| So you can go to blazemedia.com slash frontier and check that out. | ||
| And then, of course, there's just blazemedia.com where our tech vertical return and our lifestyle vertical align are giving you a sort of, you know, a human experience of what's going on in this crazy mixed up world when it comes to. | ||
| when it comes to tech and other things. | ||
| So that's all out there. | ||
| I am still on x.com, at James Paul. | ||
| James, thanks very much. | ||
| We've got to cut this off, but brother man, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| And Steve? | ||
| James Polis, the great Joe, where do people get you, brother, over this weekend? | ||
| Thank you for co-hosting. | ||
| You can find me at JobotXYZ, Jobot.XYZ. | ||
| And I just want to reiterate, the title of James' novel is I Know This Sounds Crazy on Amazon. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Let's everybody dive into that. | ||
| James Polis, thank you so much for joining us on Friday. | ||
| Okay, everybody in Texas, light up those phones in the Texas house. | ||
| Do it today. | ||
| We are back at 9 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time. | ||
| Extended coverage. | ||
| From the United States Military Academy at West Point, Steve Gruber, Captain Maureen Bannon, and the President of the United States there at the Corps of Cadets. |
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