May 23, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| Because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| you you Okay, welcome. | ||
| It's Thursday, 21 May, Year of the Lord, 2025. | ||
| Thank you for sticking around for the 6 p.m. hour. | ||
| I think you see today the bouncing around in the capital markets more than ever. | ||
| What is fiat currency? | ||
| Is that the dollar empire? | ||
| Maybe, right? | ||
| What's backing it? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| The greatest export we have? | ||
| Find out all about this. | ||
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| End of the dollar empire, the seventh free installment. | ||
| It's called the Rio Reset on the Road to Rio. | ||
| They're talking now about the Senate is going to pass the big, beautiful bill by July 4th. | ||
| That means it'll go to conference sometime in August before we hit the debt ceiling. | ||
| Remember, they're asking for a $4 trillion lift in this, that they'll have a joint bill and be able to pass this so we can kind of get on with it. | ||
| The greatest export we have is the dollar. | ||
| It's under question. | ||
| July 6th, right? | ||
| As the Senate supposedly theoretically passes, they're going to be in Rio talking about how they get off the U.S. dollar. | ||
| Find all about it. | ||
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| The Rio reset on the road to Rio. | ||
| Do it today. | ||
| Slash Bannon. | ||
| Tej Gill joins me. | ||
| Tej, you were a very successful patriot warrior for your country. | ||
| For many decades, and now you've shifted into be, I think, the finest coffee roaster, not just in the United States, but the world. | ||
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| That's your favorite, Steve. | ||
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| Thank you, brother. | ||
| One more time, where do people go? | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We'll let you go back and work. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Love you, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Okay, yesterday we had a major league guest into the war room, Max Tegmark, the Future of Life Institute. | ||
| He is a guy who's a mathematician, very involved in artificial intelligence, one of the big brains in that, and he's saying, yo, we've got to really think this thing through before the horse gets out of the barn or we can have real problems. | ||
| Joe Allen joins me. | ||
| You guys went to Catholic University yesterday after our discussion here in the War Room. | ||
| We've got a clip. | ||
| Let's play that and then we'll get into the discussion. | ||
| I've also got Liz Yor and Ben Harnwell from Rome because Cardinal Prevost took the name Leo XIV for a specific reason that he laid out after he took it. | ||
| We'll discuss that with Ben and Liz about artificial intelligence. | ||
| Let's play Catholic University, the panel yesterday. | ||
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I'm in radical agreement with my co-panelists as to their assessment as to where we are and our excitement and our apprehension when it comes to the emergence of AI in our lives. | |
| When he says science is blind, what he means by that is science doesn't tell you. | ||
| I'm the first to admit there's not a single equation we've ever discovered that tells you what's good and what's evil. | ||
| Science can never answer these questions. | ||
| If scientists pretend that they can somehow derive from principles of science, what is morally good and what is bad, they're just BS-ing you. | ||
| They sometimes couch their language in religious terms. | ||
| The essay from Dario Amade you quoted is even titled, Machines of Loving Grace. | ||
| I view it as kind of obnoxious to just try to appropriate religious language for his personal money-making agenda. | ||
| The truth is we have to have a moral compass. | ||
| We have to have moral leaders. | ||
| It's almost more of a stakeholder discussion than it is the principles. | ||
| There's definitely some non-obvious thinking that should go into the equation, but when it comes to... | ||
| Issues of religious freedom and pluralism ought to be a central pillar in the decision-making process. | ||
| We have to think about things like, what do parental controls mean in different countries around the world? | ||
| Are we going to fragment society by some of these lessons we didn't learn from the beginning of social media? | ||
| I think it's also important that all of us recognize that when we've had disruptive technologies like this in the past, it's worth a pause for a second. | ||
| They were almost always followed by vast global conflict. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What does he mean? | ||
| Walk me through that. | ||
| So that was Johnny Moore. | ||
| Liberty University also works with the White House. | ||
| The evangelical leader, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why is he so important? | ||
| What is an evangelical sticking his pie hole into this conversation? | ||
| Well, you know, the entire panel was non-Catholic other than the moderator. | ||
| The moderator was Will Jones at the Future of Life Institute, a recently confirmed Catholic. | ||
| So congratulations, Will. | ||
| The other three, though, you had Johnny Moore, evangelical leader. | ||
| You had Max Tegmark, who is a physicist and very much... | ||
| He has his head wrapped around the material world, but in my discussions with him, he's very open to the mystery of the universe. | ||
| He doesn't think scientists have it all figured out. | ||
| And then you had, if I'm pronouncing his name correctly, Sahil Khan of Microsoft, a conservative Muslim. | ||
| And in the discussion, I mean, the real core of the discussion was simply as we are rocketing forward with the development of artificial intelligence and especially the deployment of artificial intelligence, which has been... | ||
| I'm completely reckless so far. | ||
| How do religious communities respond to this? | ||
| You know, I think Will Jones has said this many times, and I've said it many times, you've said it many times. | ||
| There's a sense that religious communities are going to be best equipped to deal with the ramifications of having machines that at the very least appear to think, and perhaps if it keeps moving forward in the direction that Silicon Valley wants it to go, that they actually do think and think better than human beings. | ||
| So what you heard Max Tegmark there saying is that science can't solve this problem. | ||
| Even if someone is an atheist, they have to have some kind of recourse to a foundational reality to say this is good or this is evil. | ||
| Religion provides that. | ||
| Religion tells you these things are good to serve your fellow man and to worship God as good and to try to replace God with a machine implicitly would be evil. | ||
| Okay, and we're doing this, and Johnny Moore and people, because we need to wake up the population that this is a thing and we have to combat it because the demonic people that are driving this are... | ||
| Agnostic at best and probably atheistic. | ||
| They see themselves as gods. | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| So all of that nice talk you had is totally irrelevant. | ||
| In fact, they look at that as a weakness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's interesting when you look at the... | ||
| Especially the real ideologues behind transhumanism, post-humanism. | ||
| You know, it begins with playing God, tinkering with a genome, trying to create life yourself. | ||
| It then kind of moves into this dream of becoming gods to perfect one's genome or to merge the mind with a superior artificial intelligence to become kind of a digital master race. | ||
| But at the very end of that, right, at the most extreme end of that spectrum, you have this desire to build. | ||
| The Trump administration has been great on so many different fronts, but I gotta say, you know... | ||
| The second day of the administration, bringing out Sam Altman, bringing out Larry Ellison, bringing out Maha Yoshi-san. | ||
| On the Stargate project. | ||
| All three of those men believe that artificial superintelligence isn't just the goal. | ||
| Of their project, but is the inevitable outcome of either their project or some similar project, say maybe Elon Musk's Colossus data center in Memphis, that if you keep scaling up the data centers, the server capacity, then you will eventually produce something like a digital god. | ||
| So at Catholic University, and you know, I got to say, Steve, in my discussions with... | ||
| People in private in the Q&A that happened during the event and there was another smaller one after. | ||
| A lot of very informed people, a lot of them Catholic, some of them more mystical, some Orthodox Jewish, but a lot of very informed people who are very, very concerned about this. | ||
| And there's two levels of concern. | ||
| One is more mundane. | ||
| What will the systems that we have right now do? | ||
| But then, of course, there's the more cosmic concern. | ||
| What happens if they actually do succeed in creating a machine that is smarter than human beings and just de facto out of human control? | ||
| Before I go to Ben and Liz and get their input, you use the term reckless deployment. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| That's my main concern. | ||
| I think that it shouldn't be dismissed, this idea of creating an artificial general intelligence or superintelligence, but that is still just science fiction. | ||
| That's just a dream that these guys are pursuing. | ||
| You think that's science fiction? | ||
| Fiction in the sense that it is not real yet. | ||
| Good fiction predicts the future. | ||
| No, no, no, but science fiction means it's some sort of fantasy. | ||
| This is a demonstrable scientific goal. | ||
| That's not fiction. | ||
| And you can, if you extrapolate out from what we have today... | ||
| It will actually be a fact, scientific fact, will it not? | ||
| It could be. | ||
| There's no way to know. | ||
| I mean, it's like so many things in futurism, you don't know until it happens. | ||
| But you know where they want it to go, and that's the important thing. | ||
| But what we do have right now on the ground are systems that are used as tools, but they're very unreliable tools. | ||
| They hallucinate, they misguide people. | ||
| They're used as teachers, so that whether it be children or adults, People are turning to them as authorities on what is and isn't real. | ||
| People are turning to these things for companionship. | ||
| They're good enough that they can hold conversations with people and basically develop an emotional bond between humans and machines. | ||
| And this is happening by the millions. | ||
| Meta-AI. | ||
| You've got ChatGPT. | ||
| I know people who believe that it is a conscious entity and is their friend. | ||
| And these are not stupid people. | ||
| Maybe there's an emotional need that needs to be met that they can't meet. | ||
| With human beings, but this is happening right now, and it's only growing. | ||
| So this reckless deployment is these companies obviously do not care about the well-being of the people that are using their products. | ||
| These companies care about, number one, probably profit, and number two, the prestige of creating something that is so earth-shaking. | ||
| And at the end of that, they believe it will be a creature like us, that it will be deserving of rights, at least many of them, not all of them. | ||
| There is that kind of radical fringe that believes that what they're creating is a digital god. | ||
| Ben Harmwell, let me start with you. | ||
| You're in Rome. | ||
| The church itself, they've had some conferences, but have been a little behind the curve, I think, in getting out in front of this. | ||
| This is why Catholic University was so shocking to me. | ||
| Yesterday they had this amazing conference with all these leaders. | ||
| Although Cardinal Prevost took the name Leo XIV. | ||
| Specifically because of artificial intelligence in this new post-industrial revolution, sir? | ||
| Good evening, Steve. | ||
| Good evening, Joe. | ||
| Let me start off with my response, Steve. | ||
| To the words that you just said about the Catholic Church perhaps being a little behind the curve on the whole of the AI phenomenon. | ||
| That's a fair enough accusation. | ||
| You can't really expect clerics, priests, bishops or cardinals, many of them in their 70s and 80s, to be au fait and to understand profoundly a technology that even the people at its cutting edge haven't fully grasped yet. | ||
| But I think if we're looking to the Catholic Church to navigate this, perhaps we're already starting off on the wrong foot. | ||
| What the Catholic Church as an institution, also as the mystical body of Jesus Christ, can do is present those perennial values and truths about... | ||
| About human nature, about pride, about humility. | ||
| And there's a huge dynamic between those two things. | ||
| Anyone listening to what Jalen was just saying, anyone with any basis of Christian... | ||
| We'll understand straight away the dynamics here between humility and pride in the whole of this project. | ||
| That is something that the Church can do, should do, and is doing in its own way. | ||
| One thing I would say about the new Pope, Leo XIV, taking that name, and I'll come onto this, onto Rerum Novarum, perhaps in a moment after the break or something, but... | ||
| As an Augustinian, he has, one would hope, in his formation, since I think he joined at about age 14, the whole history and thought of Saint Augustine at his shoulders that he can draw upon. | ||
| And I think St. Augustine would be a great navigator for the present age, not least coming back to this point about the essential virtue of humility in man's relationship with God. | ||
| That's the big danger. | ||
| It's not so much, I think, the idea of this super intelligence that terrifies people rightly. | ||
| It's the idea that developing... | ||
| Consciousness or awareness, there might become a will behind that intelligence that can't be controlled because it is massively too far ahead of us. | ||
| And this whole idea, as Joe was saying, about this idea of being a digital god, perhaps the Catholic Church, in reminding people to show some humility with our technology and with what we're inventing, can do a gentle recall and say, look, Digital gods are in the realm of spiritual danger here for mankind. | ||
| And gently call people back to Yahweh, to Eloha, the original god, the god, I think, that we're all rather fond of. | ||
| Because it is God himself who has redeemed us and given us the ability to use our discernment. | ||
| Look, I'll close with this word, Stephen, and then I'll perhaps respond to Joe's points further on in the show. | ||
| I was saying in a conversation with a friend of mine the other day that half of my moral philosophy is formed by Holy Scripture. | ||
| And the other half by Stan Lee. | ||
| It's always a good opportunity to say with great power comes great responsibility. | ||
| I think that's a truth that everyone can appeal to. | ||
| And that, I think, should be part of our calculation. | ||
| We are well into designing something that is a greater power than our ability to manage. | ||
| Joe, you had a response? | ||
| Yeah, I think Ben's point about St. Augustine is really, really important here. | ||
| Two things that Augustine taught that really had an impact on me. | ||
| One, that evil is the corruption or perversion of good. | ||
| So whatever evils you see in the world are reflective of good, but are a corruption or an inversion of that good. | ||
| And with AI, you have exactly that. | ||
| You have, say, Human beings as the image of God or the icon as image of God. | ||
| And what this is is an extension of that into the material world in which you've created this imitation of the image of God. | ||
| You know, they say Satan is the ape of God, the imitator of God. | ||
| AI is the ape. | ||
| And another thing that Augustine said, there's a wonderful book, if the audience is so inclined, by the late David Noble called The Religion of Technology. | ||
| And he describes in great length Augustine's view on Of course, in that time, they didn't think of technology. | ||
| In fact, technology wasn't a word used commonly among the people until after World War II, but he thought of it in terms of arts. | ||
| He thought of it in terms of craft, and he described everything from the kind of artisan work or any of the levers and tools that were being used in his day. | ||
| Second century, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| Third century, I'm so sorry. | ||
| Fourth century. | ||
| Anyway, my dating is terrible. | ||
| But these primitive arts and crafts, for him, he saw them not as a sin in and of themselves. | ||
| He saw... | ||
| Technology, we'll say, as God's gift to man to alleviate the suffering of a fallen existence, and that this was its proper place, that anything above and beyond that, which would have been, you know, for him, the extravagances of Rome, the extravagances of the theater in the Colosseum, that anything above and beyond that that comes to replace what is true and holy in a Christian's life, which would be God and Jesus, then that then becomes a sin. | ||
| And this is what they were saying at Catholic University. | ||
| I'm more extremist myself, but they were basically saying that we can capture the positive effects of algorithms, advanced algorithms for health, for defense, for the economy. | ||
| It's when it crosses over into the realm of the machine being a being in and of itself, or as Max Tegmark draws the line, when it goes from being a tool to something that is out of one's control. | ||
| Liz, you got a couple of minutes on this before we go to break? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In Auerum Novarum in 1891, which was Pope Leo XIII's massive encyclical about the justice and dignity of the human person, and really prioritizing the rights of human beings, both in work and at home, and demanding that the Catholic Church work towards justice and dignity for everyone. | ||
| Look, my concern is, and Joe is right, where have we seen the digital god manifest in this world? | ||
| We have seen it in China. | ||
| And that is who is going to be driving the AI agenda. | ||
| My biggest concern, though, is the last 12 years at the Vatican, the Vatican for generations has brought in the great intellectuals of the world to educate the Pope and the Church on... | ||
| We have to do a massive change where Leo XIV must address this issue immediately. | ||
| The Catholic Church teaches that Man is both faith and reason, and a child of God. | ||
| We have our divine nature, and by imposing an artificial intelligence, that divine nature becomes... | ||
| Exhausted. | ||
| Disappears. | ||
| And so this has to be the number one issue because the Catholic Church has to seize the momentum and really establish itself as the final word in where artificial intelligence goes. | ||
| Because if we lose our humanity, which is, of course, the great civilization issue here, then we have lost our... | ||
| Our life and our ability to function as rational human beings who can distinguish between good and evil. | ||
| And our soul with it. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Joe Allen's going to stick around for a few more minutes. | ||
| I've got Liz and Ben, and we're going to get down on it next in the War Room. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
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| Joe Allen, you are out and about here in the Imperial Capital. | ||
| You've got to bolt Joe. | ||
| I'm going to give you a heads up. | ||
| Joe is going to co-host tomorrow from 5 to 7 with me. | ||
| Your closing thoughts before you bounce. | ||
| You know, last time we saw each other in the flesh, that was December last year. | ||
| And at that time... | ||
| You were hammered at our Christmas party. | ||
| I was enjoying myself. | ||
| But, you know, I really was kind of on the fence about how much longer I would be covering this. | ||
| You know, we've been at this for four years, nonstop, over four years now. | ||
| And it just didn't seem like to me that people were really getting it. | ||
| It was kind of demoralizing. | ||
| Of course I disagree. | ||
| I hate to say it, I'm always right, and he's Joe Allen. | ||
| Continue on. | ||
| We'll have to debate that later. | ||
| What's happened since Trump has come into office and since Trump has been putting all of these tech titans from Elon Musk to Sam Altman at the forefront of his goals for America in this golden age is that you have now this response in the human that there's something profoundly off. | ||
| That for all the good that can be done by closing the border, by ending foreign wars, that It really won't amount to much if we end up elevating these priests of the cyborg theocracy and allow their machines to determine the course of our human lives. | ||
| It's been amazing to see in the last few months that it's as if there were always those fellow travelers that I recognized, but suddenly you just see people waking up in a major way that artificial intelligence may not be everything you read about in a science fiction book, but it is a very powerful force. | ||
| It will continue to be so increasingly, and something must be done about it. | ||
| In the Catholic Church, with Pope Leo XIV, I think that that... | ||
| Parallel between Leo XIII and the Industrial Revolution and what we're going into now, what our boy Klaus Schwab called the Fourth Industrial Revolution, that this is, in fact, the singular challenge for humanity because if all the other human goals are attained, the humanity of ourselves, our souls, will be corrupted if these people prevail. | ||
| Very profound, and I'm impressed. | ||
| That a cracker like you knows so much about St. Augustine. | ||
| Very impressive. | ||
| I read. | ||
| No, you know. | ||
| You do not read. | ||
| Joe Allen, we'll see you tomorrow. | ||
| I know you've got to bounce. | ||
| You're going to be my co-host tomorrow from 5 to 7 p.m. | ||
| We've got something from this. | ||
| By the way, my phone blew up all day yesterday with this amazing one hour on live human organ harvesting. | ||
| Let's go and play a clip, and I'm going to bring in... | ||
| Ben is in Rome, and Liz Yor is in Chicago. | ||
| I'm going to bring them both in. | ||
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You said something very powerful that's not repeated enough. | |
| You said one, and you're not Catholic, but you said one of the issues with this secret deal with the Catholic Church, it gives credibility. | ||
| To the regime, to the brutality, and it makes it harder for not just Falun Gong, but for everybody else, when you have such a powerful spiritual institution as the Catholic Church, essentially in business with them, and allowing them to kind of run and oversee the religion in mainland China. | ||
| Can you expound on that? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, the Vatican deal is a total head-scratcher for me. | ||
| Basically, it was penned in 2018. | ||
| It's been renewed a number of times, and it makes no sense. | ||
| The fate of Catholics in communist China has only gotten worse the whole time. | ||
| Like, you would think if the deal has the opposite effect, you would kind of get rid of it, right? | ||
| Let's assume best faith, right? | ||
| They're thinking, hey, we want to make life better for the Catholic faithful. | ||
| They have not done that. | ||
| But what they have done, to your point earlier... | ||
| Is it basically says, look, you know, to the world, look, the Vatican feels like you can kind of deal with this regime reasonably. | ||
| And, you know, and we can kind of negotiate around who the bishops will be. | ||
| And we don't actually know exactly the details of the deal. | ||
| But I remember, you know, just before you were talking about Hong Kong earlier, just before the national security law came into effect, I had the honor of interviewing one of the Catholics I respect most out there, Cardinal Zen, right? | ||
| And of course, he was out there. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And he was out there explaining, why is this a crazy idea? | ||
| And he was trying, and the previous pope wouldn't see him. | ||
| And it was very sad. | ||
| But ultimately, that webinar, I had no idea how bad it had been for Catholics until I was on that webinar. | ||
| I was like, this is really beyond the pale. | ||
| But ultimately, this is the issue. | ||
| Whoever you are, right? | ||
| Basically, in Chinese, they call it putting powder on the face of the regime. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Like, if you know that someone is doing live organ harvesting, a crime yet to be seen on this planet, and it's part of the normal operations of a regime, right? | ||
| How can you expect good faith in negotiation? | ||
| The great Jan Jekalek from Epoch Times, amazing interview yesterday. | ||
| He's one of the top experts on live organ harvesting. | ||
| Before I get into this, Ben Harnwell, I know you're itching to give a response to Joe Allen. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Joe said something very important just before he had to jump. | ||
| And I wasn't planning particularly in talking in great depth about St. Augustine today. | ||
| However, just to remind folks that the new Pope, Leo XIV, is from his Augustinian friar, formed in the thinking of St. Augustine. | ||
| To my mind, the greatest... | ||
| Theologian, philosopher in the church's history. | ||
| Saint Augustine came up with a really intelligent concept of what evil is, because some people thought, you know... | ||
| It's a proactive, positive force in the world. | ||
| And then St. Augustine says, well, you know, it's difficult to think like that, seeing as everything that is in the material universe was created by God, who is good. | ||
| So he came up with this idea, this concept of evil, as the absence of good. | ||
| The absence of God, by the way, but the absence of good. | ||
| I think the Latin term was privatio boni. | ||
| For that concept. | ||
| And if you're thinking now about what we're engaged in doing, and this is why, you know, to bring this back to the idea that the Catholic Church might have something interesting to say on this, the new Pope might have something to say on this, formed as he is in the thinking of St. Augustine. | ||
| If you look at this project of artificial intelligence, artificial superintelligence, it has the total absence of God. | ||
| And with St. Augustine's intuition, he would no doubt define this project as evil. | ||
| And I just want to throw that out there, Steve, because I think that's something, as I say, that just occurred to me on the back of what Joe was saying. | ||
| It's back to Mark, what is it, 13, where he sends the disciples and apostles out. | ||
| They come back to heal and they come back and they said, hey, we healed and we spread the word and we did all these things. | ||
| And he said, that's terrific. | ||
| He says, however, people said that your inspiration is from Beelzebub, from the devil. | ||
| And they were spreading this. | ||
| And what Christ tells the apostles is that, hey, they can say anything about me, right? | ||
| Don't fret. | ||
| Just go about your work. | ||
| The only unforgivable sin, the only mortal sin, is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. | ||
| AGI by definition. | ||
| And when Jesus Christ, who's the Son of God and can forgive anything, tells you there's something unforgivable, that there's something that even He can't wipe away, and that's to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, you ought to take your number two pencil and write that down. | ||
| That's what artificial general intelligence is. | ||
| That's what artificial intelligence is. | ||
| Look at the guys that are running this. | ||
| They're absolutely running it for power, ultimate power. | ||
| That's what's so scary about it. | ||
| This thing is off the track and heading down a track that's quite dangerous. | ||
| And knowing that the Pope, who's taken leave of the 14th, he said because of artificial intelligence, has because right now the argument is, oh, we have to do this because the Chinese Communist Party is ahead of us and we can't let them get ahead of us. | ||
| And to know where the kind of the railhead of kind of spirituality and thinking about this and the... | ||
| Reverse of the absence of good, but actually infusing goodness into the system is in business with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Now, at this moment in time, this historic moment is exactly where you don't want to question it. | ||
| Liz, am I too far off track there? | ||
| No, that's why you have to decouple immediately. | ||
| From the CCP and this outrageous deal. | ||
| You know, Human Rights Watch said yesterday that they are demanding that the Pope take an urgent review and to speak out against the persecution and oppression of people of faith. | ||
| So there is momentum. | ||
| And Steve, you know, I... | ||
| I'd like to think that this native son of Chicago, you know, Carl Sandburg said Chicago, the city with broad shoulders. | ||
| Well, Leo's going to need broad shoulders to take on this issue of artificial intelligence. | ||
| And what I would like to suggest is this Catholic University seminar program conference should be brought, same people, to the Vatican. | ||
| This should be the basis for an encyclical written. | ||
| His first encyclical should be about artificial intelligence. | ||
| That is why it is a pressing issue, and the Catholic Church needs to speak viva voce on this issue and to raise the importance of the human dignity of a person, that the soul must be the generation of society. | ||
| So, I mean, that's what I'd like to see. | ||
| The Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which I think our good friend Ben has been involved in, they should sponsor the exact same conference. | ||
| The Pope should attend it. | ||
| And from that should come a teaching document for the world, not just for the Catholic Church, so that the Catholic Church can speak clearly and intelligently. | ||
| You know, the Catholic Church has been at the forefront, contrary to a lot of, you know, public opinion. | ||
| I mean, so the Catholic Church, this is unnatural, but they've been falling behind. | ||
| And so by taking Leo's name, he needs to not only decouple from the Chinese government, which is, you know, the digital god that we're going to be battling in AI, but speak with the voice. | ||
| Of the apostles and Jesus Christ and really step in the breach because that's what we have right now. | ||
| It's only been the tech giants that have been speaking about AI. | ||
| It is time for the moral voice of the church to be heard. | ||
| And this is the next six months. | ||
| He's got to decouple and repeal this deal and then begin to address AI immediately. | ||
| And I love what was coming out of this Catholic University conference. | ||
| But here's the thing, Parnwell, you can't speak authoritatively on the moral implications and the spiritual implications in the world of artificial intelligence and the reckless deployment, as Joe Allen says, if you're in partnership with the Chinese Communist Party, because they're the most reckless of all. | ||
| On this matter that is, quite frankly, going to dwarf everything we do about the balanced budget and everything we do about any of the kinetic part of the Third World War, you're about to have wars of incomprehensible brutality if we continue to go down this path. | ||
| Am I incorrect on that, that you can't speak on one hand as a spiritual authority while you're in business with the criminal regime that's in back of many of the worst abuses in the drive towards artificial general intelligence, sir? | ||
| Well, Steve, look, before we kneel down before this new pope and give him moral and spiritual authority on these worldly political things, we need to know where he's coming from. | ||
| You know, this, I think, was one of the first Catholic commentators to point out that this Pope, as Cardinal, had been to China 12 times. | ||
| And so there's a legitimate question here is, is this someone on the political prudential issues of the day we can look towards for guidance and leadership? | ||
| And all I can do, Steve, is come back to this idea that came out of our discussion yesterday. | ||
| Let's find out where he is with regards to the CCP. | ||
| Let President Trump, who hasn't condemned the forced organ harvesting of China yet, let him come out with a declaration, let him draft it and let him publicly, publicly ask Pope Leo to co-sign it with him. | ||
| And if he doesn't, then we as Catholics... | ||
| And the evangelicals of goodwill who look to the Catholic Church for moral leadership on this issue, then we will know where he stands and we will be able to draw our own conclusions. | ||
| Liz, just a matter of reference. | ||
| You said it yesterday, and I meant to bring it up. | ||
| Is it over the last 12 years he's been to China? | ||
| Particularly after taking over the Augustinians? | ||
| Is it documented somewhere he's actually been to China a dozen times, 12 times? | ||
| No, he's been there several times, is what the quote was, Steve. | ||
| And I checked, there are no Augustinian missions in China whatsoever. | ||
| It doesn't appear that there's any priests there. | ||
| And, you know, I was laughing because I was thinking about what Trump did yesterday with the South African president, Ramposo, who said, oh, no, no, nothing's here. | ||
| There is no genocide. | ||
| And then he flipped on, turned off the lights, acted like the director he is, and showed him what the reality is. | ||
| I might suggest that if the Pope doesn't recognize that this China deal is an absolute disaster and causing untold persecution, in fact, many have said that the Intensity of the persecution is as bad, if not worse, than the Cultural Revolution. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And that came from the Bipartisan Congressional Executive Commission on China. | ||
| It really needs, the pressure is turning up. | ||
| The cardinals actually were saying in the first meeting with the new pope that the China deal kept coming up among the cardinals. | ||
| So I think the war room needs to keep the heat on. | ||
| They need to write to their bishops and their cardinals that they want this deal repealed. | ||
| I would also mention to everybody this Saturday, May 24th, is the World Day Prayer for China. | ||
| And that, you know, our prayer is that this deal get repealed and that the persecution is exposed and that voices now join together to outlaw this incredible religious freedom that has been denied all the Chinese, not only just the Catholics. | ||
| So let's see what... | ||
| The Dark Horse Prevost, as I call him, is really about whether he will step up and begin to take on China. | ||
| And that's going to be a big lift, but it should be the first lift. | ||
| And that will free him to speak freely about the issues that need to be addressed in the world, specifically artificial intelligence. | ||
| Liz, where do people go over this holiday weekend to get up with all your writings and social media and all of it? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm everywhere under Elizabeth Yorall social media. | ||
| My website is yourchildren.com. | ||
| I'll be posting all sorts of information, including the prayer for this Saturday to pray for all peoples of faith in China. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| Amen, sister. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| The great leisure. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, where do people go to get all your amazing content that you put up? | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Get as my social media platform of choice. | ||
| Just tap in my surname. | ||
| There I am, at Harnwell. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Thanks very much indeed. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, fantastic. | ||
| Great session. | ||
| This is a huge priority. | ||
| You must... | ||
| First off, we have to... | ||
| I actually see it. | ||
| It's unacceptable. | ||
| It's been secret. | ||
| It's, I think, a humiliation to every person in the church, and a slap in the face to Lao Bajang. | ||
| And you heard the Falun Gong situation yesterday with the live organ harvesting. | ||
| Think of how barbaric. | ||
| How could you do a deal with someone that does something that barbaric on an industrial scale, government-sanctioned? | ||
| And what Jan said yesterday, it's a detriment to the underground evangelical house churches and to the Falun Gong and to the Buddhists and everybody else that try to practice their religion, which is a dictatorship of a bunch of murderous, atheistic thugs. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Absolute disgrace. | ||
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