May 20, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
48:15
Participants
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| That's the President of the United States right there. | ||
| Tons of information that took a number of shots, laid out his case. | ||
| Upbeat, said it's going to happen. | ||
| House Freedom Caucus eventually going to agree to maybe get some additional cuts, but we'll get there. | ||
| And the Salk guys look like they got blown up. | ||
| We've got Congressman Andy Clyde who was in the room. | ||
| Congressman Clyde, you've been pretty adamant about you need more cuts. | ||
| Give us your perspective this morning after this extraordinary visit by the President of the United States to Capitol Hill to talk to the conference. | ||
| Well, Steve, it's great to be on with you. | ||
| I'll tell you that it's always wonderful to hear the president. | ||
| We love the president. | ||
| We want to move his agenda forward. | ||
| And so listening to his perspective this morning was very, very important for us. | ||
| You know, we have got to get this particular bill right. | ||
| We're going to move forward, but it has to be done in a fiscally responsible way, in a way that reduces the deficit. | ||
| I would love to see a Second Amendment win in this bill because I don't see any other way that we take back our constitutional rights other than through reconciliation, which is only a Republican—it's a partisan bill and requires only Republican votes. | ||
| There's no Democrat, especially no seven Democrat senators, that are going to ever vote to give us back our constitutional rights. | ||
| So where do you stand right now? | ||
| Put us in the room. | ||
| How was it? | ||
| Did the president speak? | ||
| What did he have to say? | ||
| Would people go up to the microphone and say, "Hey, we've got this problem with the Medicaid, the deficits in the first couple of years"? | ||
| I mean, put us in the room. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Well, he spoke for about an hour and a half almost, and there wasn't a whole lot of opportunity for questions. | ||
| I did stand up and was ready to ask him a question, but I didn't get to do that. | ||
| He basically commanded the room for the entire time. | ||
| I'll tell you that the SALT folks got hammered. | ||
| And it was pretty evident that salt is not on his plate today in this particular bill. | ||
| So I think that's a good thing, you know, for the three states that are literally demanding salt for California, Illinois, and New York. | ||
| That wasn't good news for them. | ||
| That's for certain. | ||
| You know, the president had a speech already written, but he really didn't use it at all. | ||
| It was just an off-the-cuff kind of speech directly from the heart, I think. | ||
| And that was very, very important. | ||
| So there were just, I mean, two or three that were able to ask questions, and that was about it. | ||
| It really wasn't a back-and-forth in the conference room. | ||
| So walk us through the order of battle now. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| They've called for a rules vote at 1 a.m. tonight or tomorrow morning, however you want to call it. | ||
| 1 a.m. | ||
| The Democrats are fighting back. | ||
| Andy Harris and a lot of the guys in the Freedom Caucus that are all over this Medicaid are saying we have to have meetings. | ||
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Andy Biggs saying he would hope people would read the bill. | |
| I mean, what's your perspective? | ||
| Well, I agree. | ||
| We do need to get back together and have meetings on this and decide exactly where, you know, how much we can get. | ||
| Okay, hang on, Congressman. | ||
| Let's go back to the president. | ||
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
| You're going to get an 85% reduction in drugs. | ||
| 85% reduction. | ||
| Not one quarter of a percent. | ||
| Not an increase. | ||
| The Democrats, you're going to pay 25% more for drugs with me because of what I've instituted in favored nations. | ||
| The people of America, it's about time, going to get an 85% reduction. | ||
| They're going to be paying the lowest price in the world. | ||
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How important is this for your agenda? | |
| You've been able to do a lot through executive action. | ||
| How important is it to have this piece of legislation for your agenda and your legacy? | ||
| It's very important. | ||
| It's important for the country. | ||
| It's not important for me. | ||
| It's important for the country. | ||
| This is the greatest bill that we'll ever... | ||
| I think it's the most important bill this country just about has ever done in terms of size and scope. | ||
| That's why we call it the great, big, beautiful deal. | ||
| I mean, it really is. | ||
| The bill is, I think it's going to be one of the most important. | ||
| It's the biggest tax reduction in history. | ||
| Biggest regulation reduction in history. | ||
| Incredible for Medicaid, Medicare. | ||
| The only thing, we're going to leave it exactly as it was, other than for, obviously, waste, fraud, and abuse. | ||
| We're strengthening it. | ||
| We're going to make these things even stronger. | ||
| The Democrats are going to destroy Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. | ||
| And we're going to keep them, but even make them stronger. | ||
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How are the talks going? | |
| Say it? | ||
| Well, we're looking at a lot of things, but we'll see. | ||
| I had a very good talk yesterday with President Putin. | ||
| We'll see how that comes out. | ||
| They're talking right now. | ||
| We'll see how. | ||
| Say it. | ||
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What about Pope Leo? | |
| Why the Vatican, sir, for the negotiation? | ||
| Why you suggested that? | ||
| No, Pope Leo suggested it, and if he'd like to have the talks at the Vatican, I can't think of a better place. | ||
| This is a pretty good place, too, come to think of it. | ||
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Do you like this American pope? | |
| But I think I like him. | ||
| Yeah, I like the pope, and I like the pope's brother. | ||
| You know, one of the pope's brothers, actually both of them, but one in particular is a major MAGA fan. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| He lives in Florida. | ||
| He's got MAGA. | ||
| He's got Trump. | ||
| And I look forward to getting him to the White House. | ||
| I want to shake his hand. | ||
| I want to give him a big hug. | ||
| Thank you very much everybody. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Okay, President right there reiterating once again the stakes, Dave Brat. | ||
| He's pretty good about getting his message out, right? | ||
| Yeah, just the big issues for the American people just over and over and over. | ||
| All the positive wins. | ||
| The left was great. | ||
| When we were in charge of Obamacare, we got annihilated by the left because our leadership wouldn't explain it. | ||
| There's Trump. | ||
| We're going to keep Medicare. | ||
| We're going to keep Social Security stronger. | ||
| We're going to make them better. | ||
| Just weaving in the tax cut. | ||
| The benefits, all the big pharmaceuticals. | ||
| He's the only guy tough enough to take on pharmaceuticals. | ||
| Big pharma, the one guy doing it. | ||
| Yeah, a bunch of wins. | ||
| So, Congressman Clyde, walk us through, how do we get from here, this historic trip of the President of the United States to talk to the conference, to a vote? | ||
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Walk us through the critical path. | |
| First, it's going to have to go to rules. | ||
| And as you said, rules was called for 1 a.m. tomorrow morning. | ||
| And then we're going to have to look and see what's called a manager's amendment is. | ||
| And that's going to be the modifications of the bill itself from where it currently stands. | ||
| So we'll see if what the president has said has moved the various members of our conference, the SALT guys, etc. | ||
| Whether they stand their ground for more salt and greater tax cuts for California, Illinois, and New York, or whether they don't, whether they yield and allow us to move forward. | ||
| But it's also critically important, as I said, that this bill be financially responsible. | ||
| And that's really what we need to focus on because we are heading toward a fiscal cliff in this country. | ||
| We have $37 trillion in debt. | ||
| The bond market has already responded to that. | ||
| We saw that on Friday when Moody downgraded us from a AAA to a AA1, which means that they're saying that the U.S. Treasuries have an increased risk. | ||
| So that means an increased interest rate. | ||
| And all those Treasuries that are literally maturing right now at the low interest rate, like 1%, are going to have to be replaced by higher interest rate bonds at 3.5%, 4.5%. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe now 5 percent because of the bond downgrade. | ||
| So this is a serious consideration because we're going to be spending more money on interest in the future. | ||
| So we have got to get to a point. | ||
| You know, the president has called for a balanced budget. | ||
| We've got to get to a point of getting on that trajectory of a balanced budget. | ||
| And the only way we're going to do that is through budget reconciliation, as in it's a partisan bill, does not need those seven Democrat senators in the Senate to vote yes. | ||
| Before we let you go, is the manager's memo, which will deal with any changes from the bill, particularly on the Medicaid side, and taking care of maybe trying to limit somewhat these deficits in the first year, is that going to be circulated before rules, or will they vote rules without that being done yet? | ||
| Is the process in the day to meet and argue and debate and come up with some compromise? | ||
| Hopefully on the manager's memo, would that be circulated this evening before the rules vote or after the rules vote? | ||
| Well, it will need to be circulated before rules actually votes because that's what they're voting on, literally. | ||
| So we've got to be able to see that. | ||
| And I don't know when it's going to come out. | ||
| I'm not on the rules committee, so I'm not exactly pervy. | ||
| I don't have any... | ||
| No preview to that, but we'll definitely be going through that rules package, through what's called a manager's amendment, because I believe that's the only amendment that's going to be allowed, so it's going to be fairly substantial, I think. | ||
| Hey, Congressman, it's your old friend Dave Brat. | ||
| How much are you hearing from the people on the deficits? | ||
| I think that is the new thing. | ||
| I think that the base and the average American is now really concerned about deficits, and that doesn't come up enough. | ||
| And not only you, but folks from other states, other regions of the country, are they getting the message from the people? | ||
| Well, I'm hearing from my people in my district, and it's hold the line. | ||
| Hold the line. | ||
| We don't need, you know, the federal government has a spending problem. | ||
| As I've said, we have an addiction. | ||
| We have an addiction to opium. | ||
| That's O-P-M, an addiction to other people's money. | ||
| We have a spending problem in Washington, D.C. We don't have a revenue problem. | ||
| It's a spending problem, and I'm hearing that. | ||
| People understand that, and they're saying hold the line for more spending cuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, Congressman, social media, where do people go? | ||
| Because you're putting up good information all the time. | ||
| Where do they go? | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| You can go to Clyde.House.gov. | ||
| You can follow us at Rep underscore Clyde on Twitter, or, sorry, on X, and also on Facebook as Rep Clyde. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| Hold the line. | ||
| Vox Populi. | ||
| Vox Deus. | ||
| The voice of the people is the voice of God. | ||
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Well, I wouldn't go that far, but whatever. | |
| You're Presbyterian. | ||
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God, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit works through the people. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| Predestination, just saying. | ||
| You and Stonewall Jackson. | ||
| Yeah, you're a great man. | ||
| Never got a bullet. | ||
| Hang on, I'm going to drop another bombshell. | ||
| This is from Rachel Bate. | ||
| I think Rachel's over at Politico. | ||
| A bombshell, another Trump bombshell. | ||
| Trump tells me, that's Rachel Bate, he hopes the GOP mega bill changes in the Senate because, quote, they have things I like even better. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Folks, strap in as hard as this vote's going to be. | ||
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Man. | |
| It goes to the thing, and hey, you got Josh Hawley over there. | ||
| You got, Mr. President, listen to Ron Johnson. | ||
| Ron Johnson's got $8 trillion in cuts. | ||
| Josh Hawley's over there. | ||
| Boy, that's going to be another Donny Burke because they've got to pass something, then you go to conference and then you have a knockdown dragout. | ||
| Scott Besson's telling us, hey, extraordinary measures will essentially end by the first week, second week of August, of which time you're going to need a debt ceiling relief. | ||
| He's doing all the tricks of the trade to keep cash coming in and paying off. | ||
| Remember, he's got a waterfall to pay everything off. | ||
| Okay, folks. | ||
| You need to understand what a hedge is against times of financial turbulence because we're going into one. | ||
| And it is paying for the past sins of the political class and the lords of easy money got us in this jam. | ||
| President Trump and the MAGA forces are trying to get us out. | ||
| Birchgold.com. | ||
| Talk to Philip Patrick and the team. | ||
| Birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| Phillip Patrick and the team. | ||
| Dave Brett. | ||
| Yeah, I brought attention to Japan earlier in the show. | ||
| Everybody, go look it up our friends at Zero Hedge. | ||
| Great article. | ||
| The reason I brought that up is because that can happen here. | ||
| Their 20- and 40-year bonds are in deep trouble. | ||
| What's called the tail, the interest rate that they had to sell at. | ||
| They had to jack up the rate in order to sell them. | ||
| And that's what's coming our way. | ||
| The only thing that's saving us is the reserve currency, and we've been misusing that terribly. | ||
| And so that's what's coming our way. | ||
| Okay, Republicans at the Sticks, we're going to take a commercial break. | ||
| We'll come back to that. | ||
| A short commercial break to pay for this operation. | ||
| Then we're going to come back. | ||
| The Republicans at the Sticks, you're going to hear from them. | ||
| We're going to try to get Jonathan Allen on about the book Fight. | ||
| He got an inside look, and particularly the Democrats. | ||
| Give us some updates on this Biden situation. | ||
| Dave Brat riding shotgun. | ||
| Good day to be here, Dave. | ||
| That's a great day. | ||
| Good day to be here. | ||
| Providence. | ||
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Plus he gets free room and board. | |
| Brad will eat you at a house and home, too. | ||
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Hey, if you invite Brad down, make sure you've got a fully stocked pantry. | |
| Okay? | ||
| My diet. | ||
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Brad Pitt. | |
| Brad Pitt. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Back in the warm in just a moment. | ||
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Back in the warm in just a moment. | |
| We've had ever in the history of this country, and that's because of the actions of this president, who delivered on his promise to secure the border and enforce our laws. | ||
| But if Congress fails to act, this success will be short-lived. | ||
| I'm proud of the Committee on Homeland Security's work to include common sense border security legislation. | ||
| That is a generational opportunity to actually secure our border. | ||
| We've tried so many times in the past. | ||
| Now we will codify these executive actions and we will do our job in Congress and resource this effort. | ||
| $7 billion to recruit and train new border agents. | ||
| Billions of dollars to fix, to build the wall. | ||
| And it's a high-tech. | ||
| Lights, cameras, access to observe. | ||
| $5 billion in technology enhancements. | ||
| All the support that we can give to the border states. | ||
| We're going to expand. | ||
| Operation Stone Garden, those grants for those states that actually work with the Department of Homeland Security to secure our border, all in this bill, all because the American people said enough is enough, and all because they elected Donald Trump and a Republican Congress. | ||
| I now will be followed by one of my mentors and heroes in this building, Jim Jordan. | ||
| Thank you, Mr. Chairman. | ||
| You know why the Democrats dislike this bill so much? | ||
| Because it's so darn Republican. | ||
| Does three fundamental, embraces three fundamental Republican principles. | ||
| Cut taxes, secures the border, requires work. | ||
| We're the party that believes you should let mom and dads keep more of their money to chase down their goals and dreams. | ||
| We're the party that believes you should actually have a secure border. | ||
| This bill does it, as Chairman Green just pointed out. | ||
| And we're the party that believes able-bodied adults, if they're going to get your money, should have to work. | ||
| It's good for taxpayers. | ||
| It's good for the economy. | ||
| Most importantly, it's good for that individual. | ||
| This bill embraces three fundamental principles of our party. | ||
| That's why I think it's really important that Republicans lean in and go tell the American people how important this legislation is, how it keeps faith with what we told the voters we were going to do last November, why they elected us, and it's right on point. | ||
| So I'm confident we're going to get there this week. | ||
| Get the votes that we need to get this thing passed because it does the things we said we were going to do. | ||
| With that, I yield to the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Chairman Smith. | ||
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Thank you, Jim. | |
| President Trump promised and delivered, and now the House will, too. | ||
| The one big beautiful bill stops the largest tax increase in history and focuses benefits on workers, families, farmers and small businesses. | ||
| It unleashes made in America manufacturing and delivers on President Trump's promise to all American workers. | ||
| This is an economic growth agenda combined with historic spending reforms that protects those in need and puts America on a path to a better future. | ||
| $140 billion in your tax dollars. | ||
| Shouldn't go to illegal immigrants who have broken the law. | ||
| Instead, Republicans are putting that money towards no tax on tips and no tax on overtime. | ||
| Fortunately, 77 million Americans have already weighed in. | ||
| We're going to deliver on the president's promises and we're going to help working and middle class Americans. | ||
| This is very personal for me. | ||
| I grew up in a single wide trailer in a town of less than 5,000 people. | ||
| The average income in my hometown is just over $24,000. | ||
| My priority is the working class. | ||
| That is the priority of President Trump. | ||
| And that is the priority of the Republican Party. | ||
| And this bill delivers for them. | ||
| My neighbors back home and hard-working families and communities just like in Salem, Missouri and all across the United States. | ||
| According to the Council of Economic Advisers, the no tax on tips policy alone will lead to an additional $1,700 in the pockets of each of the 4 million different tipped employees working in communities throughout this nation. | ||
| Family take home pay will increase up to $13,300 under the one big beautiful bill. | ||
| And the same study showed that tax relief for seniors, meanwhile, would increase the average take home pay for qualifying seniors by approximately $450 per year. | ||
| I'm proud to say we're taking the President's promise and going even farther by delivering even greater benefits for them. | ||
| I've said it before and I'll say it again. | ||
| Failure is not an option. | ||
| We have to deliver for the American people. | ||
| Pleased to turn over to Whip Emmer. | ||
| Thanks Jason. | ||
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This week House Republicans face a historic moment. | |
| Particularly since he did such a good job whipping. | ||
| The President of the United States had to go up to Capitol Hill. | ||
| Do your job, bro. | ||
| Okay, so we're going to see. | ||
| Andy Clyde just told you. | ||
| The President made his case. | ||
| There's still some folks that are talking about deficits or Medicaid. | ||
| We'll see how hard they stick and what happens today. | ||
| Everything you heard was positive. | ||
| We need... | ||
| Even Andy Harris said, we're going to get there. | ||
| We may not get there tomorrow. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So we'll see. | ||
| Right now, state of play is that they've scheduled a... | ||
| I love this. | ||
| They've scheduled a rules vote at 1 o 'clock in the morning. | ||
| That shows you... | ||
| And here's... | ||
| Look, with everything at stake, what they're doing is holding out leaving early for Memorial Day weekend, right? | ||
| Memorial Day break. | ||
| I think they're gone for two weeks or a week or so after this. | ||
| So they want to hold that out. | ||
| That's what we're going to do at 1 a.m. | ||
| and try to jam this vote in sometime on Wednesday or Thursday or do the 72-hour thing that you've got to do is to vote Wednesday, Thursday and get the hell out of Dodge. | ||
| Yeah, they had a year. | ||
| They've had a year to get everyone on board a great bill. | ||
| And it always comes down to the last minute. | ||
| And I don't like it. | ||
| When you're up at 1 a.m. | ||
| The pressure on you, I cannot tell you at home what it's like. | ||
| It is a huge responsibility on your shoulders. | ||
| You heard all the great things in this bill, and it is a Republican bill. | ||
| That's all true. | ||
| But Jim Jordan said there's three things. | ||
| There's tax cuts, there's border control, and there's work. | ||
| He never mentioned deficits or spending once. | ||
| They don't want to touch spending. | ||
| Andy Clyde, the buried lead of Clyde is that, hey, when Dave Brad said, what does your constituents say? | ||
| Hold the line. | ||
| People out there understand the spending, federal spending is burying them alive. | ||
| With inflation and crowding out of capital, now these interest rates, interest expenses are starting to explode. | ||
| People get it. | ||
| And particularly since the War Room and other shows now are going out of their way to say this is capital markets. | ||
| This is what's happening. | ||
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| They sorted out and settled $1 billion of tax problems. | ||
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| And if they can't, then you go engage with the IRS directly and figure it out. | ||
| Dave Bratt, pretty historic morning so far. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| We're on the verge of it. | ||
| It doesn't take a lot to get the holdouts to a yes, but it's what you just said, right? | ||
| It's a Republican bill. | ||
| It all sounds like a Republican bill, but the one orthodoxy pieces were supposed to be shrinking the size of especially the federal government, right? | ||
| And that's the doozy. | ||
| All that $7 trillion that goes through the spending spigots. | ||
| It's going through lobbyists when it goes up here, right? | ||
| We all remember the old Obama infrastructure, capital investments, right? | ||
| Oh, this was great. | ||
| We're going to finally do capital on the Democrats. | ||
| You're saying during the implosion in 2008. | ||
| Shovel ready. | ||
| Shovel ready. | ||
| It was 10%, I think. | ||
| Ended up going to the actual construction projects. | ||
| It was a disaster. | ||
| And when Republicans are in charge, I'm not cheerleading for them 100%. | ||
| A lot of that money is going to leak through the lot. | ||
| And through the swamp and through the firms that funnel all that money to their friends, right? | ||
| Whenever you hear all these beautiful stories about this is going to happen and that's going to happen, if the American people aren't doing it themselves, be a little leery. | ||
| And so I'm still quite leery. | ||
| Okay, you've got all the facts. | ||
| Folks right now should get Bill Blaster. | ||
| Get on with your house rep and let them know what you think. | ||
| If you think that more cuts have got to come, then say it. | ||
| If you think, hey, let's wrap this thing up and do it, then say that. | ||
| Right now, our fear is that the cuts, structural cuts, which I think are very smart, Russ Post put it, is in the back end, years 5 through 10. We're not a big believer in that they ever come to fruition, right? | ||
| Although, quote-unquote, they're going to be mandatory. | ||
| You've got to address these deficits down front. | ||
| I think people are trying to. | ||
| Like Andy Harris said, hey, we're going to get there. | ||
| It may not be today, but we'll see. | ||
| They're forcing tonight. | ||
| 1 a.m. tomorrow morning, 1 a.m., a rules vote. | ||
| The manager's amendment has to come. | ||
| The only changes to this bill will be in the manager's amendment. | ||
| So that means if it's on track, you've got to get a lot of work done in the next couple hours. | ||
| You've got to really meet and have some agreements. | ||
| Patriot Mobile. | ||
| This situation down in Texas at 6 o 'clock. | ||
| I'm going to have one of the individuals about Texas and its borders and what's happening down there with the folks backing up and helping ICE on these deportations. | ||
| There seems to be some questions down there. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
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| Glenn Story and the team. | ||
| These guys have kept Texas MAGA. | ||
| I mean, President Trump won by 14 points. | ||
| There should be no discussion. | ||
| That thing that's happened in the Texas legislature is unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, it's unbelievable. | ||
| And Georgia's got a little bit of this going on, too. | ||
| My friends are telling me that. | ||
| Georgia, all of it. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Listen, for the precinct strategy and MAGA, and you guys got involved, I don't need to tell you. | ||
| You get beat up every day. | ||
| Some's worse than other. | ||
| And I got to tell you, MAGA is absolutely good. | ||
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No. | |
| I've heard enough of Johnson. | ||
| He had to get the president. | ||
| It's all just happy talk. | ||
| He had to get the president to come up today and whip votes. | ||
| I think Johnson's a total and complete disgrace. | ||
| I understand the president of the United States disagrees with that. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And his vote counts a lot more than ours. | |
| But, hey, we've got to call balls and strikes like we see them. | ||
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| You know this, Brad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
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| Real good guys. | ||
| Real good leadership. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Glenn Story, the team. | ||
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| Short commercial break. | ||
| back in the warm in a moment. | ||
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You're an oncologist, obviously. | |
| Incredibly respected. | ||
| You believe that it is likely, just for those just tuning in, you believe it is likely if this prostate cancer has spread to the bone that he could have had it for up to a decade. | ||
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But certainly it's likely. | |
| Would it be fair to say it's likely to have had this for at least several years? | ||
| Oh, more than several years. | ||
| You don't get prostate cancer. | ||
| I just want to stop you. | ||
| So this is not speculation. | ||
| If you have prostate cancer that is spread to the bone, then he's most certainly, you are saying, had it when he was president of the United States. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| He did not develop it in the last 100, 200 days. | ||
| He had it while he was president. | ||
| He probably had it at the start of his... | ||
| Yes, I don't think there's any disagreement about that. | ||
| It's given to everybody, but it's given just about... | ||
| And it takes a long time to get to that situation. | ||
| Now, I think, you know, to get to a stage nine... | ||
| I think that if you take a look, it's the same doctor that said that Joe was cognitively fine. | ||
| There was nothing wrong with him. | ||
| Well, he said, if it's the same doctor, he said there was nothing wrong there. | ||
| And that's being proven to be a sad situation. | ||
| And the auto pen is becoming a very big deal. | ||
| You know, the auto pen is becoming a big deal because it seems like that maybe was the president who ever operated the auto pen. | ||
| But when they say that that was not good, they also, you know, you have to look and you have to say that... | ||
| Blockbuster revelations on both the Herd tapes, finally hearing them from Access. | ||
| We had Mark Caputo on for his first interview on Saturday morning. | ||
| A bombshell there. | ||
| Then the cancer, whole cancer thing. | ||
| Another bombshell. | ||
| Everybody's trying to grasp with that. | ||
| The book Fight, Jesse Waters... | ||
| Says is a bombshell. | ||
| We got the author or the co-author Jonathan Allen joins us this morning. | ||
| Jonathan, you had a unique insight on so many things of the Biden-Harris, which was unique. | ||
| I mean, President Trump, don't get me wrong, coming back from his most unique in history, but the Democratic Party did so many things that were so different, particularly in the last six months. | ||
| Are you surprised by, given your intimate knowledge of the apparatus? | ||
| And also your coverage is one of the top reporters in town. | ||
| The revelation is when you actually hear the her tapes and you hear about the cancer, given your knowledge of how Biden ran the White House and how they ran the campaign, that these things are kind of being dropped on us now, sir? | ||
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I mean, shocking, but not necessarily surprising. | |
| You know, with regard to the her tapes, I mean, you can't listen to that. | ||
| Without understanding that the audio is so much more telling than the transcript that we were given, you know, way back when, you know, shortly after the her report came out. | ||
| The Biden White House was cocooned. | ||
| Joe Biden himself was cocooned by a small set of people around him, Mike Donilon, Steve Ricchetti, the First Lady, Hunter Biden. | ||
| You also had a couple of more personal aides who were around him, Annie Tomasini and Anthony Bernal, but a very small group of people that actually saw the president on a regular basis, and they did everything that they could. | ||
| To hide him from the American public. | ||
| And, you know, Steve, we've talked about this before off air, but, you know, this was not a pattern that just developed in 2024 or 2023. | ||
| You know, we saw this in the 2020 election when you were talking and others were talking about Joe Biden hiding in his basement during the pandemic. | ||
| They did everything they possibly could to keep him out of the sight of the American voter. | ||
| And we, you know, my co-author Amy Parnes and I actually wrote a book in 2020 or about the 2020 election. | ||
| We're lucky how Joe Biden barely won the presidency. | ||
| They went into the ways he was already losing his fastball. | ||
| What about in the 24, particularly around the time of the debates, all of that, was it leaking out then or was it still? | ||
| Because the tape, the Her tape is from October 8th of 23. We're almost nine months later until the nation saw it. | ||
| In all its glory in that debate, I think even Trump was shocked. | ||
| I think Trump had known it was that bad he wouldn't have debated and just gone all the way and not taking the risk of a Kamala Harris. | ||
| So walk us through your reporting. | ||
| The book is Fight. | ||
| If you want to get an insider's account, Jesse Waters says it's a bombshell. | ||
| It's a page-turner because it reads like a novel. | ||
| Talk to us about the debate. | ||
| Given it was a cocoon, how did... | ||
| How did they fool themselves that Joe Biden was going to be able to stand up against Trump for an hour or so? | ||
| It's starting at 9 o 'clock at night, I think, sir. | ||
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This incredible self-delusion. | |
| Biden was already being, in 2020, during the primaries, they stopped putting him on the campaign trail late at night. | ||
| They knew he had hours that were difficult for him. | ||
| Just incredible first self-delusion, you know, among the people who had the most to gain from a second Biden presidency. | ||
| So First Lady Jill Biden, you know, we had a source that told us that, you know, she didn't want to give up the House of Pennsylvania Avenue. | ||
| Mike Donald and Biden's right hand explained to a prominent Democrat at the time. | ||
| Nobody wants to give up the plane or the helicopter. | ||
| These folks had a lot personally invested in it. | ||
| I think the one thing that's really difficult for me, Stephen, I think was very difficult for anybody who wasn't sort of a captive of the Democratic Party in terms of voters, meaning independent-minded voters and certainly Republicans. | ||
| I think the hardest thing was when Joe Biden gets out after that debate, he doesn't resign the presidency. | ||
| And basically the message is he's not fine to run, but he's fine to have his finger on the nuclear button. | ||
| And I think that that's just a tortured logic. | ||
| This is what we were going nuts on. | ||
| So what happened in that interim when he didn't resign the president? | ||
| That's what we were all over the next day. | ||
| Forget running that. | ||
| And this is a couple of days, I think, before I went to prison. | ||
| I said, hey, this guy's the commander in chief. | ||
| What about the 25th Amendment? | ||
| How did they determine? | ||
| I mean, inside in your reporting, how did they decide not only it was going to be Kamala Harris, but given all these other attractive candidates they had, these governors, there wasn't going to be at least some sort of mini runoff because they had until, what, the third week of August to actually make a decision. | ||
| How did they come up with the idea that Kamala Harris, who was virtually unknown to the American people, was going to be the pick? | ||
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So we go into this in real detail in the book. | |
| I mean, this covers chapters, Biden sort of hanging on to the presidency, and Obama wanted to do this sort of mini-primary, and Nancy Pelosi wanted to do a mini-primary, but they couldn't push Biden out. | ||
| He was really dug in. | ||
| The people around him were super dug in. | ||
| They started trying to sink Kamala Harris in order to save Biden. | ||
| His people were... | ||
| Calling donors, calling Democratic elected officials and threatening them, basically saying, if you get rid of him, you're going to end up with her and she's terrible. | ||
| You know, they all sort of thought she was going to be a disaster. | ||
| And at the same time, Biden staying in for as long as he did kind of closed that window. | ||
| I think Pelosi, by the end of that window, right by the time Biden gets out, she thinks that the window is closed and they can't do it anymore. | ||
| Obama is still trying to set up a mini primary. | ||
| On the day that Biden gets out and endorses Harris, by the way, she had to beg Biden for his endorsement. | ||
| They get on the phone. | ||
| This was never previously reported. | ||
| You know, previously it was reported that they get on the phone. | ||
| He says, I'm going to endorse you. | ||
| What he actually said was, you know, she said, are you going to endorse me? | ||
| And he said, you've got my support kid. | ||
| And she knows that if you hear anything other than the E-word, the endorsement word, you're basically getting the F-word. | ||
| And she said, no, no, you've got to endorse me. | ||
| And he said, well, I'm going to endorse you in a few days. | ||
| And she's like, everybody's going to know you don't think I'm any good if you don't endorse me immediately. | ||
| So eventually she convinces Biden that day to endorse her. | ||
| Obama had set up phone calls, including with Jim Clyburn, the Democratic congressman from South Carolina, very influential in Democratic politics, particularly with African-American voters. | ||
| Obama had set up a call with him later that day to talk about an open convention, so he's still trying to push that, but I think it got to the point where they decided there wasn't time for it. | ||
| The other piece of this, Stephen, I know you talk about this a lot, the Democrats are pretty married to... | ||
| Married to the diversity idea. | ||
| And I think that the idea that if they had an open convention that it would have ended up with anybody other than Harris is hard to figure based on who the delegates are to their convention and the prospect that if they skipped over a woman of color who was the vice president to put somebody else in there, that a lot of the Democratic voters would have stayed home. | ||
| Just hit rewind for a second. | ||
| I want to make sure the audience understands this, and this is why you've got to get the book, because the book is kind of like a Shakespearean drama. | ||
| From the moment he left the stage, on which I think I was gobsmacked about how bad, because we were on Biden every day, how gobsmacked it was, how terrible it was, walk through the logic that the people around him still fought tooth and nail. | ||
| Not for him they still were convinced trying to convince people he can take on Trump and he can win Absolutely. | ||
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I mean, for weeks, not only were they telling people that, they were threatening people, they were threatening donors, they were threatening other elected officials, you know, with the power of the White House. | |
| Biden sent out a letter to the Hill, to Democrats on Capitol Hill on... | ||
| On July 8th, so a couple weeks after the debate, he said, I've made my decision. | ||
| I'm sticking in. | ||
| And then Pelosi goes on Morning Joe and she says he's got to make his decision. | ||
| And the person interviewing her says he already made his decision. | ||
| And she says, yeah, he still has to make a decision. | ||
| I mean, there's this real fight going on in the Democratic Party. | ||
| And again, the book's got like sort of all the details on it. | ||
| But the Biden people were dug in. | ||
| They believed he was the only person who could beat Trump. | ||
| They said to everyone who would listen, he's beaten him before. | ||
| Nobody else can do it now. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, that's... | ||
| We talk about the delusions of the Democrats. | ||
| I mean, the greatest delusion of all was that Joe Biden, and he still says this to this day, that he would have beaten Trump. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Do you think that he came to this endorsement, which kind of caught some of these people by surprise, of Kamala Harris? | ||
| Because at the end of the day, he wasn't... | ||
| He kind of proved his point that only he... | ||
| Although we're the advocates of the stolen election, but that only he could have beaten Trump, that Kamala Harris couldn't do it. | ||
| So that's one of the reasons that at the end of the day, he, although unwillingly, endorsed her? | ||
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I think it's a few reasons. | |
| I think, number one, he had chosen her as vice president. | ||
| He had been vice president before, and I think... | ||
| I think he understood that if he picked somebody else or didn't pick her, it would have undercut his original decision telling the American people that she was the next best person to be president and then saying, hey, I made a huge mistake here. | ||
| I think it would have been, you know, I think he saw it as something that would be horrible for his legacy. | ||
| I think he wanted to stick a middle finger right up into Barack Obama's face and Nancy Pelosi's face after they were trying to push him out. | ||
| And that was the one thing that he still had control over. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, I think it's hard to say that. | ||
| That Biden sabotaged Kamala Harris, because I think that would impute a level of not just motivation, but ability to execute that I'm not sure he had. | ||
| However, there were things he did down the stretch that made it harder for her to win. | ||
| We think, first of all, of course, of him putting that MAGA hat on his head during the middle of the stretch run. | ||
| Even my son said to me, Steve, I heard Joe Biden endorsed Donald Trump against Kamala Harris. | ||
| You know, that video made it all around. | ||
| I'm sure you helped with that. | ||
| Hey, Jonathan, can you hang on for a second? | ||
| We've got some questions about Kamala Harris. | ||
| This is the book that Jesse Waters says is a bombshell. | ||
| The book is Fight. | ||
| You get the inside baseball. | ||
| It reads like a novel. | ||
| And the Democratic parts are literally you can't put down when you see the... | ||
| Extraordinary efforts, and really, you think Obama and Biden have a great relationship. | ||
| That way, no contrary, you see about this, and you see Nancy Pelosi in total action. | ||
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Do it today. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, Jonathan Allen from Embassy News joins us. | ||
| He's the author of a blockbuster book, Fight, the inside story of both campaigns. | ||
| But I've got to be blunt with you. | ||
| The Democratic part reads like Shakespeare. | ||
| So Kamala Harris actually leads in the early polling. | ||
| I know it's name recognition and these early polls will be discounted, but she makes the argument all the time and the people around her, she only had more time. | ||
| For the American people to know her, if she had another week, she would be president and Trump wouldn't. | ||
| I actually argue that if this thing was still in her, you know, the Messiah is going to save us from Biden and Trump in late August, if the vote had been then, it might even have been closer and she might have eked it out. | ||
| In fact, the more the American people got to see her and know her and hear the incoherence. | ||
| They ask the question, is she ready to be Commander-in-Chief and President of the United States? | ||
| Jonathan Allen, what is your reporting in the book show? | ||
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Yeah, her argument is Kentucky Fried Horse Crap, if I can say that on your show. | |
| Your argument is a much stronger one. | ||
| She was doing better late August, early September, even into early October. | ||
| When you talk to the folks, and my co-author and I did, who are crunching numbers for both of the campaigns, we saw... | ||
| You know, at first, what was a sugar high for her, and it was an extended sugar high. | ||
| And the race got really, really close there. | ||
| You know, Trump had been leading Biden going into the debate. | ||
| He was leading Biden by more after the debate. | ||
| And Harris picked back up those Democrats that had left Biden, and she'd even gotten a little bit more traction. | ||
| But to your point... | ||
| I mean, she ripped the bark off of herself. | ||
| This was a change election. | ||
| President Trump was offering change to the American public, particularly on the economy and inflation, particularly on immigration. | ||
| And what Kamala Harris offered them was more of the same. | ||
| And when she was asked... | ||
| On The View in particular, because that got so much attention, she was asked what she would do differently from, would have done differently from Biden. | ||
| She said she couldn't think of a thing. | ||
| And it was an echo of that September 10th debate. | ||
| And you remember all the coverage of that September 10th debate was that she had won it and that Trump had lost it. | ||
| I think there was something very important that happened in that debate, which is she was asked that question again. | ||
| For the first time, what would you do differently? | ||
| And she said she had no answer. | ||
| Trump hit her for it. | ||
| And I think a lot of voters listened to that. | ||
| And when it got reinforced by her down the line that she wasn't willing to change anything. | ||
| She was running on Joe Biden's platform. | ||
| And by the way, he's in her ear. | ||
| We report this in the book for the first time. | ||
| He's in her ear telling her, no daylight, kid. | ||
| He didn't want her to have any daylight from him. | ||
| And she listened to that. | ||
| She took it to heart. | ||
| And this is an election where people really were dissatisfied with the Biden record and wanted change. | ||
| Donald Trump was offering it. | ||
| And I think by the time you got to October and November, people could really tell that she didn't have a vision for the country or a core reason for her candidacy, other than that she was sitting in the number two spot when the number one guy stepped aside. | ||
| So I think you're absolutely right. | ||
| This race was close late summer, heading into the fall. | ||
| And by the time... | ||
| We got to Election Day. | ||
| That spread had grown. | ||
| So her analysis of that, and we report on this in the book, is wrong. | ||
| Just real quickly, because we've got to bounce, but Jonathan, because on the morning of MSNBC, you know, the universities are showing out, the urban centers are showing out, the night before the polling, did you and your author have the insight in the book that this thing was ebbing away from her, although the mainstream media was still doing a big rah-rah? | ||
| And that's what they were in shock. | ||
| They were stunned at 10 o 'clock that night, 11 o 'clock that night, when Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all kind of flipped. | ||
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Yeah, I can only speak for myself that I wasn't stunned, but we do have reporting in the book. | |
| For the first time, we report that in their final analysis of the campaign, their final projection of the election, the Harris people, her team, predicted her losing. | ||
| Internally. | ||
| They had a slideshow that showed which states were supposed to go in which directions, and it had her coming up short and Donald Trump winning. | ||
| I mean, to this day, Kamala Harris was shocked on election night, as was a lot of the media. | ||
| Jonathan, where do they get to follow you on social media and where do they get the book? | ||
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Get me at JohnAllenDC on all the social media, whether that's Twitter, X, or... | |
| Or on Truth Social or any of the other ones. | ||
| It's all at John Allen DC. | ||
| By the way, the report is amazing. | ||
| You can buy the book anywhere. | ||
| Literally anywhere. | ||
| Buy the book. | ||
| Go to Amazon, bookstores, anything. | ||
| And folks, it's a page-turner. | ||
| Even though you know the outcome, you will turn. | ||
| It's not just great reporting. | ||
| It's beautifully written. | ||
| John Allen, Jonathan, thank you so much for being on here this morning. | ||
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Thank you, Steve. | |
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Grace, if Mo, we can push this out, make sure everybody gets a shot at this thing, because that thing at the end, stunning, when they actually told her that morning she didn't believe it, thought it was going to cut the other way. | ||
| This shows you, President Trump, what, I mean, he defeated Biden, and then later he defeated Kamala Harris. | ||
| Pretty stunning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Historic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I liked hearing them review it because we forget what was at stake there. | ||
| Everything was at stake. | ||
| And it wasn't, you know, I mean, we won a huge electoral college, popular, all that, but it was still a percent. | ||
| It was tight. | ||
| It was still tight. | ||
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It's tight. | |
| We have a mandate, but man, it's tight. | ||
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