May 17, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
48:55
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unidentified
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At this time we were living in Chambers Road and there were documents related to the Penn-Biden Center or the Bible, cancer from your shot, or your book. | |
| Where did you keep papers that related to those things that you were actively working I don't know. | ||
| This is, what, 2017, 18, that period? | ||
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unidentified
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Yes, sir. | |
| Remember, in this time frame, my son has either been deployed or is dying. | ||
| And so, it was... | ||
| And by the way, there were still a lot of people at the time, when I got out of the Senate, that were encouraging me to run in this period. | ||
| Except the President. | ||
| That's not a mean thing to say. | ||
| I mean, he just thought that she had a better shot of winning the presidency than I did. | ||
| And so I hadn't, I hadn't at this point, even though I'm at Penn, I hadn't walked away from the idea that I might run for office again. | ||
| But if I ran again, I'd be running for president. | ||
| And so, what was happening, though, when the boat died... | ||
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unidentified
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I think it was 2015. | |
| That's right, Mr. President. | ||
| And what's happened in the meantime is that as Trump gets elected in November of 2016. | ||
| 2016. | ||
| 2016. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, why do I have 2017? | ||
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unidentified
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That's when you left office in January of 2017. | |
| That's when Trump gets sworn in. | ||
| In 2017, Bo had passed, and this is personal. | ||
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unidentified
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Was this memo, Mr. President, was this something that you consciously kept after your term as Vice President? | |
| Is this something that you wanted to hold onto? | ||
| I don't recall. | ||
| Did I have this? | ||
| Was this in my possession of Spino? | ||
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unidentified
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Yes, and to give you some context for this, Mr. President, it was found in the front of this notebook that's on the first page, and the notebook was found in the library at the Lake House in one of the drawers. | |
| I don't recall how it got back. | ||
| I mean, I don't recall how it got back in the book because I sent it to the President. | ||
| I gave it to the President. | ||
| And this looks like the original. | ||
| I don't think there's a copy made of it, but I don't think so. | ||
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unidentified
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It was faxed, just to give you... | |
| Oh, okay, that's why. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| All right, now I got it. | ||
| I wasn't sure how I got it, whether I gate-handed it to the president, but it was faxed to the president, which I had to copy. | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| Okay. | ||
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unidentified
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You had the original. | |
| Yeah, I had the original, and I just put it in the book, and that was it. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Were you a waiter that you had kept it after your term as vice president? | ||
| Did you know that you had it? | ||
| I don't know that I knew, but it wouldn't sound something I would have started to think about. | ||
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unidentified
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The reason I ask is it's been written about. | |
| Bob Woodward wrote about it in one of his books. | ||
| Jules Winkover wrote about it in his biography of you. | ||
| So that's the reason I asked, is if it was something that you wanted to hang on to because it was going to be the subject of reporting? | ||
| I don't know if it was going to be the subject of reporting, but I guess I wanted to hang on to it just for posterity's sake. | ||
| I mean, this was my position on Afghanistan. | ||
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unidentified
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In the course of explaining that memo about Afghanistan, you said to Mark, I just found all the classified stuff downstairs. | |
| And so you can imagine, we are curious what you meant when you said, "I just found all the classified stuff downstairs." I don't remember. | ||
| I'm not supposed to speculate, right? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Okay, well, I don't remember, and it may have been... | ||
| I just don't remember. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Do you remember telling Mark about the handwritten memo that you had written to President Obama? | ||
| I probably did. | ||
| I don't remember specifically, but my guess is I may have done that. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Do you remember telling him, I just found all the marked classified stuff downstairs? | ||
| Mark? | ||
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unidentified
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Telling Mark. | |
| Do you remember saying that to him? | ||
| No. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Do you remember actually finding any... | ||
| Classified stuff downstairs? | ||
| No. | ||
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unidentified
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We appreciate very much your willingness, and we hope that you will be able to put forth your best efforts in really trying to get your best recollection in response to the questions we ask, because I acknowledge that some of the questions we are asking relate to events that happened years ago. | |
| We're young men, so it's not a problem. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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unidentified
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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unidentified
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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unidentified
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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unidentified
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| It's Saturday, 17 May, Year of Our Lord, 2025. | ||
| Blockbuster tape. | ||
| Mark Caputo, he joins us now. | ||
| Mark, first off, how many years have you been a reporter, sir? | ||
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unidentified
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I guess I'm old as the hills. | |
| Since 1996, and you do the math. | ||
| So you've been doing this a couple of three years, right? | ||
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unidentified
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A little bit. | |
| Is this one of the biggest blockbuster stories you've ever handled? | ||
| Because, dude, this is so much bigger than Watergate. | ||
| I'm actually gobsmacked on your first clip and then when I heard the whole thing. | ||
| Is this the biggest scandal you've ever handled in your life? | ||
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unidentified
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I don't know what biggest scandal, but it's a huge news story because it speaks to all of these different themes and elements that It had been discussed in the 2020 campaign, 2024, and then after, which was in 2016 even to a degree, which is Joe Biden decided to run, and there were persistent questions about his age. | |
| And his administration and his campaign did a very effective job putting up guardrails around him, bubble wrapping him up. | ||
| And also relying in some cases on very skillfully placed stories, for instance, that he had stutter, to explain how he had lost some of his edge, to put it general. | ||
| And now, after the Biden White House had refused to release these tapes, the Biden Department of Justice had refused to release these tapes of him sitting down with this special prosecutor, we now actually hear for the first time, it adds a real dimension. | ||
| To that discussion that happened that day that we just didn't hear before. | ||
| And some of it is just the normal stuff of asking anybody, hey, what happened a few years ago? | ||
| I couldn't remember how long I've been a reporter. | ||
| But when you listen to some sections of it, it's just very, very surprising how Joe Biden was unable to answer certain just basic questions or recall certain basic dates, namely the death of his son. | ||
| The year Donald Trump was elected, when he left as vice president. | ||
| And you can just hear in his voice that it's just not the same guy who was vice president or even to a degree who had first run for president in 2020. | ||
| By that point in 2023, when he had sat down with a special prosecutor, it was pretty clear that, as the prosecutor had said, he was an old man. | ||
| And the prosecutor said he would be seen by Now we hear for the first time that Robert Harper accurately described what he heard, because now we can hear it, too. | ||
| By the way, this interview with Herr took, correct me if I'm wrong, 8 October of 2023. | ||
| So it's just really a year after he gets into the hustings with Trump, trying to take on Trump, I guess, in July and then dropping out. | ||
| What stunned me is that Robert Herr, if you just step back for a second, Robert Herr sounds like a resident. | ||
| Or an intern or a young doctor at a facility for older folks really guiding somebody through. | ||
| I mean, this is not what you consider a prosecutorial deposition. | ||
| He's not coming on hard. | ||
| He's almost trying to guide. | ||
| And I'm not saying he's being unprofessional, but he's being quite gentle on what obviously is a frail old man in front of him. | ||
| Is that not the way you perceive it? | ||
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unidentified
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Well, there's two prosecutors who appear in this tape or who you can hear. | |
| The one initially who was asking just sort of the basic foundation questions of the documentation which prompted Biden's response about Beau and all of those memory lapses, that was Robert Heard. | ||
| And the second prosecutor is a guy named Mark Crickbaum. | ||
| And yes, both of them were very friendly, very gentle. | ||
| Even Crickbaum... | ||
| He's the guy who sort of catches Biden, so to speak, in these two sort of inconsistencies. | ||
| Biden at one point says, like, I don't know why I kept it all this stuff. | ||
| And then Crickbaum's like, well, you know, you talked about this with Bob Woodward and these other journalists. | ||
| Do you think you might have kept it for posterity's sake? | ||
| And the reason Crickbaum is asking that is to lay the foundation for the fact that Biden knew he had classified documents. | ||
| Decided to keep them, and that was an intent crime, so to speak, or it could be an intent crime. | ||
| And then you hear Biden's lawyer, Bob Bauer, kind of quickly jump in at a certain point. | ||
| We document this in our story at Axios. | ||
| And sort of get a little testy. | ||
| And like, hey, look, the president has answered what he's answered. | ||
| Don't ask him anymore. | ||
| Later on, Crickbaum, in a very, again, gentle fashion, points out, hey, we have these tapes. | ||
| Of you talking to your ghostwriter for your book, Promise Me Dad. | ||
| And in that recording made by your ghostwriter review, you said, I found all the classified stuff downstairs. | ||
| Like, what gives? | ||
| Who would like to know more about it? | ||
| Biden, now we can't see it, it's just audio, essentially turns to his lawyer. | ||
| He audially turns to his lawyer and says, well, you know, I'm kind of not... | ||
| He doesn't quite say I'm not supposed to answer that, but he... | ||
| He has a very lawyerly response, and his lawyer backs him up. | ||
| But in both of those cases, Robert Herr, who is just trying to establish this basic foundation of where are your desks, where are your file cabinets, how do the file cabinets and desks wind up in your various offices and homes, and how do these classified documents wind up in those pieces of furniture? | ||
| He just had a very difficult time doing it. | ||
| In both cases, however, these guys are very friendly. | ||
| They're very respectful. | ||
| They understand they're interviewing the president. | ||
| The president's lawyer, Bob Bauer, calls the special prosecutor Rob or Robert, doesn't call him Mr. Her. | ||
| And he calls Mark Kreckbaum, the other prosecutor, Mark. | ||
| So it's very familiar, very friendly, to be honest. | ||
| That's one of the things that makes it surprising to see Democrats afterwards say that they're politically motivated. | ||
| It just wasn't the case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mark, can you hang on one second? | ||
| We'll take a short commercial break. | ||
| Mark Caputo. | ||
| A reporter from 1996, at least 1996, been doing this a couple, three years, at Axios, one of the main folks over there, a blockbuster news story that is the dominant news story this morning throughout the world. | ||
| Her interview with Joe Biden from 8 October of 2023. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're also going to go to the Vatican with Ben Harnwell shortly. | ||
| Stick around. | ||
| You're in the Word. | ||
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unidentified
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Here's your host, Stephen Gosselin. | |
| Okay, we're with Mark Caputo of Axios, the Jim Vanderhay, Mike Allen site that is kind of the conventional, the Washington Consensus news site here that kind of drives the conversation, the narrative every day. | ||
| Caputo, you are one of the most respected guys in town, being as close to even-handed as the mainstream media can get. | ||
| I think people are saying, how did Mark Caputo and Axios end up with a tape that, I don't know, may evolve into a scandal the scale of Watergate, sir? | ||
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unidentified
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I would say two reasons. | |
| One is the Wayne Gretzky rule. | ||
| You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. | ||
| And we asked. | ||
| We just took the shot. | ||
| And then secondly, my co-author on this, Alex Thompson, has co-authored a book. | ||
| That talks about the cover-up from the Biden operation of his age. | ||
| And combined with sort of both of our reputations and the fact that we had said early on, I started asking for this on January 22nd of the new administration. | ||
| No one had really been paying attention to it. | ||
| They said, yeah, sure. | ||
| Understand that when we asked for these tapes, like, no one at the Department of Justice knew where they were. | ||
| They had to go track them down. | ||
| It prompted an actual search to just locate these things and figure out if the tape matches the transcript and then how to release it, and the rest is history. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
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unidentified
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Hold on. | |
| Stop. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| You're telling me in the landing team, in the beachhead team, they're supposed to do, in the transition, they're supposed to do the change of command, that this was not like in, like, the top? | ||
| two or three things on the checklist that they said, okay, her tape's over here, let's storm, that the beachhead and landing teams didn't have those readily available? | ||
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unidentified
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I can't speak to that, but I can tell you that the people I spoke to at the Department of Justice at the White House, including those at some of the most senior levels, had no idea where these things were. | |
| Some of them had been like, oh, yeah, yeah, sure, we'll get them to you. | ||
| We just need to find them. | ||
| And this was like January 22nd, the first day I asked. | ||
| I called back a week later, and they're like, still looking. | ||
| So they had to track them down. | ||
| I have a feeling, I was led at one point to believe that they weren't even at DOJ. | ||
| Now, I can't confirm that, was unable to confirm it, but it just gives you an idea of this sort of mad dash that they went through, sort of looking through file cabinets or picking up the phone, calling people like, hey, who's got the tape? | ||
| Well, eventually they got the tape, and eventually they came to us. | ||
| Kaputa, when's the first time that you and Alex actually had a chance to listen to these tapes? | ||
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unidentified
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Tuesday, I think. | |
| I'm losing track of days here. | ||
| Yeah, Tuesday is when we started listening to them. | ||
| And these interviews took place over two days, October 8th and October 9th of 2023. | ||
| The first day, Is where Biden just really doesn't sound with it. | ||
| Now, that's the day after October 7th. | ||
| I would imagine at a certain point some people will say, well, yeah, he was tired because he was up all night dealing with the crisis that unfolded in Israel when Hamas launched his terrorist attack. | ||
| October 9th, he's much more with it and much cleaner. | ||
| So there's like a good day Biden and a bad day Biden. | ||
| The bad day Biden was day one. | ||
| And I got to tell you, like, that's just painful listening. | ||
| You had played that first clip at the top of the show where he is kind of fumbling around in the recesses of his mind to find these words and figure out these dates. | ||
| And he's getting an assist from his lawyers who sort of take on the role of memory caretaker for him. | ||
| And one of the things that struck me when I listened to it more closely, and we wrote about this in Axios, is that this takes place in the White House map room. | ||
| And there's a giant grandfather clock. | ||
| And you can hear it ticking in the background. | ||
| And the ticking is this sort of metronomic reminder of the passage of time. | ||
| And it almost has a sort of literary device, something like Edgar Allan Poe or something, where you can just hear this tick-tock, this relentless ticking and talking of time as Joe Biden is kind of mumbling and muttering through some of these uncomfortable silences. | ||
| It's difficult to listen to. | ||
| In the literal sense, it's pathetic. | ||
| As you listen to it, given you've covered this for a couple of years, and you were the first guy to really, hey, I want these tapes, go to the White House and just say, hey, put me to the top of the list. | ||
| I want these to initiate this. | ||
| As you were listening to them, did you realize, did you think, hey, I got the goods here, this is kind of blowing me away? | ||
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unidentified
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I was wondering how to write about a guy—how do you write about uncomfortable silences, right? | |
| I was thinking about it in a very process-oriented way. | ||
| But in listening to it, it just reminded me of how difficult it was to cover Biden back in 2020. | ||
| Part of the reason that we had gotten these tapes—I said that both Alex Thompson and I— Right after Joe Biden announced, we did a story when I worked at Politico about whether he was too old. | ||
| It was pretty clear then that he was having age problems. | ||
| But having covered him then in that campaign and then listening to it now, It's just sort of blown away that he sounded so bad on day one. | ||
| And then I was blown away that he didn't sound so bad on day two. | ||
| But this is something that you see if you have and you're lucky enough to have aging parents or have had aging grandparents. | ||
| They have good days. | ||
| You're like, hey, they're back. | ||
| And they have bad days where you're like, oh man, this is not good. | ||
| And you hear both of those on these tapes. | ||
| What do you think as a reporter, as the story unfolds, that this is going to either lead to investigations or at least inquiries from the media and others about the Praetorian Guard around Biden? | ||
| Because when you hear the bad day... | ||
| You're sitting there thinking it's the day after. | ||
| The bad day is the day after one of the most significant military events, not terrorists, military events in the history of the modern Middle East, and you're listening to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, sir. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, I mean, that goes through your mind when you listen to it. | |
| I don't know how much... | ||
| This is going to lead to investigations. | ||
| But this is—I'm going to shamelessly plug Alec Thompson and Jake Chapper's book, Original Sin. | ||
| This is something that they document pretty clearly in there. | ||
| What you are also seeing, because we're in a very fluid, dynamic political environment with social media, is there is a Democratic backlash or jujitsu that's occurring, where people are saying, OK, yeah, sure, Joe Biden was bad, but boy, listen to Donald Trump. | ||
| So you're going to hear more about sort of the conflict between these two men in that respect or in that regard play out. | ||
| But it does clearly call into question the degree to which Joe Biden was bubble wrapped by his administration and his handlers, because it is clear when you listen to these tapes that the president of the United States did have handlers. | ||
| He did have people who helped him through sort of basic facts when he was speaking in candid environments. | ||
| And learning more about those would certainly fulfill or fill out the historic record or the historical record. | ||
| Where do you go? | ||
| I know you've got to bounce. | ||
| We've got a couple of minutes. | ||
| Where does Caputo take this story? | ||
| You've been known as being a pretty dogged reporter. | ||
| Alex clearly has written this blockbuster book with Tapper. | ||
| That'll have to stand, you know, obviously on its merits. | ||
| But where do you go with the story? | ||
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unidentified
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Well, I would have to say stay tuned. | |
| I am both a full-time reporter and I am... | ||
| I'm being interviewed right now from a rental home that I'm trying to fix up. | ||
| That's why I kind of look terrible. | ||
| So I haven't given it enough thought. | ||
| I will answer that as candidly and honestly as possible. | ||
| This is why I'll never run for elected office and why I'll never be elected if I did. | ||
| Caputo, you know, I don't want to upset you, but you kind of look the same that I've gotten to know you, so I don't know. | ||
| I wouldn't blame it on the new house, okay? | ||
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unidentified
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Well, I don't even have a wireless connection here, so it's been all choppy. | |
| I apologize. | ||
| Actually, I've got to put in an air conditioner now and a wall unit. | ||
| I'm going to get going. | ||
| Mark, where do people go on social media over at Axios to follow this? | ||
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unidentified
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Mark with a C, at Mark A. Caputo. | |
| I'm on Twitter, or X, or whatever you call it, and obviously Axios.com. | ||
| I have an author page as well. | ||
| Mark Caputo, thank you very much for taking time away on a Saturday to talk with us here in the world. | ||
| I appreciate you. | ||
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unidentified
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I appreciate you. | |
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| How about the answer to the first question? | ||
| How did you get this Black Press tape? | ||
| I asked. | ||
| This is a lesson for everybody out there, and particularly young people. | ||
| Initiate action. | ||
| You never know how it's going to play out. | ||
| Just initiate action. | ||
| The first one to ask, and to be persistent and dogged about it. | ||
| The other kind of shocker that they had to go track it down. | ||
| Just saying. | ||
| Okay, we're going to take a short break. | ||
| We've got Harnwell at the Vatican. | ||
| My wingman this morning. | ||
| is Dave Brat. | ||
| I'm going to get Dave in here for his thoughts about this blockbuster story. | ||
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| We've got a very special guest that we're going to have some, I don't know, fun with, but some interesting conversation as we bring you back on the main stage here at the War Room. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Van. | |
| So I'm gobsmacked. | ||
| I'm going to get to that in a second. | ||
| Brad's going to join me. | ||
| And if you get a chance, you've got to listen to the entire tape. | ||
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| You'll be kind of stunned, particularly the bad day. | ||
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| What has stunned me is why have we not impaneled grit? | ||
| Why is there not a massive investigation? | ||
| This was controlled by the Department of Justice and President Trump's Well, I'm hoping that there's a good answer with Bondi and Cash government gangsters. | ||
| I'm hoping they have them all lined up, right? | ||
| I mean, now we've got Comey. | ||
| With just grotesque, morally reprehensible actions. | ||
| And then you got Brennan, you got the CIA. | ||
| All these folks are just lined up. | ||
| And then the entire Justice Department, the criminality that ran across the 51 intelligence officers. | ||
| And, I mean, I'm just shocked. | ||
| I pay too much attention to the media side. | ||
| But you put your finger on it, right? | ||
| And the left won't even cover it, right? | ||
| They're going to draw comparisons with Trump or whatever. | ||
| This was our CEO. | ||
| But hang on. | ||
| Why was there not a move of Kamala Harris, General Austin, the people that saw him every day on the 25th Amendment? | ||
| This is about the security, not just of the United States of America. | ||
| This is about the security. | ||
| Of the world. | ||
| Who's to say that infiltration or the Muslim Brotherhood or whatever knew about how impaired he was to initiate October 7th in Gaza? | ||
| Who's to say that they knew how impaired he was and how he could make decisions and fumbled everything, that this part drove the Ukraine invasion? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But what I do know is that it is unacceptable. | ||
| That is not – you listen to those tapes. | ||
| And her, he's like – if you saw one flew over the cuckoo's nest, he's like one of the assistants there helping those people through their day. | ||
| If you've ever had a relative in one of these homes that you go and these very courageous and generous – People who are the assistants or the residents or the young doctors or the nurses. | ||
| They're helping them through the day. | ||
| That's what her was so gentle and the other lawyer was so gentle. | ||
| It was like talking to a dementia patient that's got the beginnings of dementia. | ||
| They're guiding him through. | ||
| That's on the tape. | ||
| You can't deny that and all the lies and misrepresentation. | ||
| This is a scandal the doors were to gate. | ||
| Yeah, this is a commander-in-chief. | ||
| We've had the beginning of the kinetic part of the Third World. | ||
| There's no coincidences, folks. | ||
| There are no coincidences and no conspiracy. | ||
| But you can't tell me that our enemies didn't know they had a guy that was not up to the task in the inner circle, at least knew it and knew it every day. | ||
| He's commander-in-chief. | ||
| This is the big fight in the Supreme Court from last night. | ||
| That office is the commander-in-chief. | ||
| They're trying to thwart Trump, and they covered up and protected Biden. | ||
| He's commander-in-chief. | ||
| Where's the 25th Amendment? | ||
| Where's Kamala Harris? | ||
| We have to have a formal inquiry on this. | ||
| You have to adjudicate this. | ||
| This can never be allowed to happen again. | ||
| People have to be held accountable. | ||
| I would argue, hey, we started the kinetic part of the Third World War. | ||
| This is greater than between invasion of Poland in 1939 and the Germans going into Russia and Operation Barbarossa in 1941. | ||
| We've killed four or five times more people than those two years of the beginning of World War II. | ||
| And he was on watch. | ||
| And who protected him? | ||
| And I don't want to hear the happy talk media, oh, just screw you. | ||
| Trump can stand up there all the time. | ||
| Because he's come out and trolling you guys a third of the time? | ||
| Trump just went to the Middle East and bench-pressed everybody. | ||
| Don't give me, oh, this is no equivalent here, and you're not going to get away with the crowd. | ||
| I don't care about your crappy Democrat. | ||
| This is the frickin' problem. | ||
| The frickin' problem was we've had these tapes in the Justice Department for five months, and what the frick is going on? | ||
| Why is there not a formal investigation? | ||
| I don't hear Comer. | ||
| Comer's up yammering again. | ||
| You think we're going to hand this over to Comer? | ||
| What did he do last time? | ||
| He wasted a couple of years and then wrote a book. | ||
| I don't want another Comer investigation and then write another book. | ||
| I want action. | ||
| We need to do this for this republic. | ||
| This can never be allowed to happen again. | ||
| And the way you stop it again, you hold the people that protected him and hid this information as commander-in-chief. | ||
| Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces with a raging war going on greater than the kinetic part of the first couple of years of World War II. | ||
| Dave Bratt. | ||
| Yeah, and more than commander-in-chief, CEO, all the secretaries, look what Trump's doing across all the secretaries now and the chief magistrate, compromised. | ||
| It shows you the virtue of the friend set up there, too. | ||
| He doesn't have any friends that stick up for him as a human being. | ||
| His wife, Jill, was in on this. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Yo, you're losing the plot. | ||
| I got it that he's chief executive. | ||
| Listen, he's totally illegitimate. | ||
| Look at Trump's. | ||
| If we put Trump's true social, Trump's going off on his legitimacy and all the issues that require from his illegitimate because they didn't win 2020. | ||
| You see right now the Praetorian Guard, if you want to see the deep state in action, they selected this guy. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he's docile. | ||
| He's an old man. | ||
| He's just wandering around. | ||
| This proves the point, but you've got to now adjudicate it. | ||
| You now have to get a platform that people can see, okay, we're going to do this fair. | ||
| We're going to have all evidence, witnesses, everything. | ||
| But it's got to be adjudicated. | ||
| It just can't sit there. | ||
| And to know that we're in May and Axios breaks it, where's the investigation? | ||
| What are you people doing? | ||
| And where are you spending your time? | ||
| Because right now... | ||
| I'm not feeling it. | ||
| I'm hearing all kind of go. | ||
| We're doing this. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But somebody's got it. | ||
| Then when it comes out with this, then it's coming out and saying, yeah, we've been in an investigation. | ||
| We've had a grand jury for the last four months. | ||
| We're calling witnesses in. | ||
| We're doing a formal investigation. | ||
| The FBI is all over this. | ||
| We're doing real depositions, not her, not guiding somebody through. | ||
| Do you understand if they had a real prosecutor on this guy? | ||
| If he had a real prosecutor, he would have cracked. | ||
| It would have been all over the floor. | ||
| There would have been blood everywhere. | ||
| Hey, let him have what I had with Mueller for those, I don't know, 30 hours. | ||
| Let him go up to Shifty Shift and Swalwell and the House Intel. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Let him have a real deposition under oath. | ||
| With a real prosecutor up in your grill, not playing patty cake and treating you like an old man. | ||
| You want a cookie? | ||
| Here's a cookie. | ||
| How about some milk? | ||
| Right? | ||
| It looked like an assistant at a firm care. | ||
| People better get up on this, baby, because this is the thing itself. | ||
| You want to see the deep state? | ||
| You don't think they selected this clown? | ||
| What did Caputo said? | ||
| The reason I might have gotten this, in 2019, I wrote an article how he was having senior moments at the time. | ||
| That's why they picked him. | ||
| He was the least offensive, and he was an old man they could manage. | ||
| So let's get the managers. | ||
| Let's drill down on the whole thing, because trust me, like Watergate, boom, every day you're going to have another revelation. | ||
| It's time to get, we're either real about this or not. | ||
| We're either going to, this is not about Trump. | ||
| This is not about MAGA. | ||
| This is not about our movement. | ||
| This is not even about the White House. | ||
| This is about this republic. | ||
| We can never allow this to happen again. | ||
| Why did Trump say he came back and ran? | ||
| He said that at Charlie Kirk's at AmFest. | ||
| He said, I ran because I knew they had won 2020 and they had stolen it. | ||
| And he would go against the gates of hell. | ||
| Hell, they're going to put him in prison for 300 years. | ||
| He knew that and bankrupt him. | ||
| That was his profile and courage to come back. | ||
| Where is our profile and courage? | ||
| About making sure this never happens again in this republic. | ||
| The only way you're going to do it, you're going to have some people here that are behind bars. | ||
| And put it in break. | ||
| This is the tool we need to break the deep state. | ||
| But we need the toughness and the focus. | ||
| And the relentlessness to do it. | ||
| This is what's a moment in history. | ||
| You grab it. | ||
| If you grab it, you grab it, and you drive it, and there'll be so many other revelations that come up about this. | ||
| Go back and look at the beginning of Watergate. | ||
| It started as a burglar. | ||
| I remember as a kid, or as a teenager, I think I'm down there. | ||
| At the beach with my family, and my dad says, you know, he's got the paper, this is like in July, he says, hey, there was something like burglary over at the Democratic National Committee at some, you know, apartment complex or hotel called the Watergate. | ||
| We're just sitting there like hammerheads. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| What's dad talking about? | ||
| Right? | ||
| And look what happened there. | ||
| A couple of years later, Nixon's walking out to grab a helicopter, Marine One, and he's not going on a trip. | ||
| He resigned. | ||
| This is bigger. | ||
| Because it'll show you how he was selected. | ||
| And don't get me wrong. | ||
| Yes, as CEO and chief magistrate, the other three things, they're huge. | ||
| And many of the actions, I'm sure, will be derived as illegitimate. | ||
| But the commander-in-chief is where we nail it. | ||
| Because he put everybody in jeopardy. | ||
| And they were willing to risk that to do what? | ||
| To stop Trump. | ||
| To make sure Trump wasn't the president. | ||
| Short break. | ||
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| Dave Bratt, your thoughts, observations, sir? | ||
| Well, I like your rant. | ||
| And unfortunately, the Congress and the Senate's not ranting about anything. | ||
| It's just business as usual, it appears across the board. | ||
| And so I hate to say it, but this will change. | ||
| This is a huge revelation. | ||
| As you say, it'll spiral out of control. | ||
| If you start exploring and expanding and calling people in front of our committees, our major committees, it'll be information overload with corruption. | ||
| And so, you know, I hate to ask, but Trump is going to have to do a rant on his own people so they know he wants it. | ||
| They know he wants it. | ||
| But that has to happen. | ||
| As you say, when you have the CEO and commander in chief of the United States of America, there's no bigger story out of commission. | ||
| The reporter didn't want to go all in. | ||
| You could see him reticent. | ||
| But he said he was bubble wrapped. | ||
| We had to be with him to support him on the basic facts. | ||
| We're talking about the president of the United States here. | ||
| This is no joke. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| And when you get that... | ||
| Chance right there. | ||
| And it's not political. | ||
| This is for the republic, as you said. | ||
| You better do the right thing. | ||
| And then you've got these press guys coming in. | ||
| You've got Jake Tapper saying, yeah, I could have gone after it a little bit further. | ||
| And Joe and Mika every morning saying he's at the top of his mental acuity. | ||
| And Tapper always says at the beginning of your show every day, we don't have a soul. | ||
| His book is called Original Sin. | ||
| And he is the most arrogant. | ||
| Arrogance and pride. | ||
| It is the original sin. | ||
| And the left needs to be taking a task. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| What did you know? | ||
| When did you know it for a change? | ||
| We had Republicans that actually went up against Nixon because there's some people of character left back then. | ||
| And they acted like Cub Scouts not knowing that Nixon was being taken out. | ||
| And so now we know all of it. | ||
| We know everything across the board. | ||
| We hammered this every day, Jack. | ||
| Posobiec hammered it every day. | ||
| You could tell the guy. | ||
| Wasn't up to it. | ||
| We kept ranting. | ||
| Where's your 25th Amendment? | ||
| Why are you letting this guy... | ||
| And here's who knew it. | ||
| You don't think the Russians knew this on the evil rolling in there in 22? | ||
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The whole way. | |
| You don't think the enemies of Israel and the United States didn't know this before the Muslim Brotherhood moved in October? | ||
| Listen, don't take it from me. | ||
| See what you see. | ||
| Listen to it and just listen to it. | ||
| It's an entirety. | ||
| On the 8th of October, We have a record. | ||
| This is the day after the attack happened. | ||
| That's your commander-in-chief. | ||
| That's your commander-in-chief. | ||
| And if he had had a prosecutor, you know, that was getting down on it, he would have been ripped apart. | ||
| He'd been all over the floor. | ||
| They treated him like they were hospital attendants. | ||
| In a nursing home. | ||
| And Merrick Garland, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to bring up a sore subject, but I think I went to prison for four months on a misdemeanor for defying a subpoena that Merrick Garland prosecuted me personally. | ||
| And didn't the Congress come to him about this? | ||
| Where's Merrick Garland? | ||
| Why is Merrick Garland not going to pay a penalty for this? | ||
| Why he's not going to pay a price for this? | ||
| I'm not about vengeance. | ||
| I'm not about cum retribution. | ||
| That has nothing to do with it. | ||
| This is about this republic. | ||
| We cannot allow this to stand. | ||
| Everybody associated with this has got to be called in in question, under oath. | ||
| We've got to get to the bottom of this. | ||
| How he was selected, how they bubble-wrapped him, what else do we don't know they kept it from? | ||
| We need to grill these people. | ||
| And hey, if the Justice Department can't do it and the FBI can't do it, then get a special prosecutor and let's roll. | ||
| They set up a special prosecutor for this the first time on the classified documents against him. | ||
| There's a much bigger story here, and I'm shocked that Merrick Garland, listening to this tape, he kept saying, I'm totally independent. | ||
| You're not independent. | ||
| You're a hack, and no offense. | ||
| He should be charged with crimes right now of a conspiracy to conceal this from the American people. | ||
| Don't take it from me. | ||
| Listen to the tape and write in your calendar 8 October 2023. | ||
| Less than 24 hours after the attack of the Muslim Brotherhood Namas in Israel. | ||
| And this is your commander-in-chief. | ||
| This is the guy calling the shots. | ||
| This is the guy making the final, you know, all the movies are all down in the Situation Room and, you know, Joe Biden, he knows so much and he's so much better than Trump and Trump is so erratic. | ||
| This, in the heat of battle, to Donald Trump in the Middle East this week. | ||
| Do you know, I kept telling you that one of the reasons the people, I used to harp on this all the time, that the people throughout the world, the elites throughout the world knew he wasn't legitimate. | ||
| They didn't treat him like he was legitimate. | ||
| Remember when he rides up in the SUV to MBS and they give the little fist bump? | ||
| Because they're dismissing him. | ||
| They know exactly this. | ||
| He was placed in by the Praetorian Guard. | ||
| If you want to break the Praetorian Guard's hold on this empire, which they have, the deep state, the way you break it is you use this as the instrument. | ||
| You use this as the instrument and you do a full and deep investigation. | ||
| You make them lawyer up. | ||
| You make them spend all their money. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You strip them of all their security clearances in the process. | ||
| You make sure they're so radioactive as they testify that no company will ever retain them as a consultant because that's how they put their snout in the trough. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You toxify these people because they need to be toxified. | ||
| They put this country, every parent out there that's got a kid in the armed forces, that was your commander-in-chief. | ||
| That's your commander-in-chief. | ||
| And everybody that said on the debate with Trump, oh, he just had a bad day. | ||
| No, that's every day. | ||
| Except, you know, the next day they juice him up, they jack him up on something for a couple hours. | ||
| And Jill pats him on the head. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| We've got a surprise guest. | ||
| We're going to try to get cheer for you. | ||
| Brett, you're going to stick around. | ||
| You're a good foil today, Brett. | ||
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Thank you, Brett. | |
| Short break. |
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