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May 12, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4478: Trump Drops Hammer On Pharmaceutical Companies
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donald j trump
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mehmet oz
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donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
A good dealmaker.
I had a special way about him, and it was Steve.
Knew very little about the subject matter.
Who does?
But he learned it in about two hours.
And he's been fantastic.
So I want to just thank Steve.
But they're going to be releasing Edan in about two hours from now.
Or sometime today, let's say.
And again, they thought he was dead just a short while ago.
His parents are so happy.
They're so happy.
So it's, as you know, it ends the only American citizen who's captured and held hostage by Hamas since October 7th, 2023.
And he's coming home to his parents, which is really great news.
I mean, to me, it's big news.
They thought he was dead.
So that's that.
So we'll be heading there.
And we'll be seeing three primary countries.
You know all about that.
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar.
On Thursday's meeting with Russia and Ukraine is very important.
I was very insistent that that meeting take place.
I think good things can come out of that meeting.
Stop the bloodshed of the horrible...
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It's a bloodbath.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
But 5,000 more.
It's really much more.
I'm trying to be conservative.
More than 5,000 soldiers.
Russian.
They're not American soldiers.
They're from Russia.
They're from Ukraine.
But they're people.
They're human souls.
And they're being killed at levels that we haven't seen since the Second World War.
And it's every week.
A lot of drone fighting.
It's a whole new form of warfare.
And it's violent and vicious.
And so that's it.
I'd like to go back to China just for a second.
They're very heavy on the fentanyl.
We're charging them, as you know, 20% for the fact that they send fentanyl into our country.
And they've agreed that they're going to stop that.
And, you know, they'll be rewarded by not having to pay, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs.
So the fentanyl should stop.
It comes from China.
It's amazing.
And it comes through our southern border, comes through our northern border too, comes through Canada, and comes through our southern border, much more through the southern border.
So that's a very important subject to me, because everybody in this room has lost friends or people that have family members that have died of fentanyl.
So there's a big incentive for China to stop, and I take them at their word.
They're going to work on that.
I think very hard.
And one thing, when they work on something, they get it done.
So now I'm about to depart on a historic visit.
Some of you are going with us to, as I said, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and United Arab Emirates.
Before I do, I'll sign one of the most consequential executive orders in our country's history.
I don't think there's ever been anything signed like this.
Certainly not with respect to health care.
Nothing even close.
I'm delighted.
To be joined on this occasion by Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who is doing a really good job, I have to tell you that.
A CMS administrator, a friend of mine, Dr. Mehmet Oz, who is an amazing guy.
You know, I was telling Bobby before, Oz...
I had a very successful show, but it hurt his reputation.
Because when you're in show business, it hurts your reputation a little bit.
It's good for you, but in terms of professionalism and being a doctor, it sort of hurts your reputation.
This guy went to the best schools, was the best, I mean, top, top, top of the line.
Then he did a television show.
It became a success.
Made a lot of money, all that stuff, but it sort of...
Heard him.
And you know who I compare that to?
I hate to say this, but a special woman, Jeanine Pirro.
She was the toughest, smartest DA maybe in our countries, in our cities and states' history, New York.
She was really tough, really sharp.
Then she did a show.
And people didn't think of her quite the same way.
She became more of an entertainment person, like Oz.
Oz is not an entertainer.
He's not really an entertainer, if you know the real story.
And she isn't either.
She is unbelievable.
She was one of the strongest district attorneys in the history of New York.
Highly respected.
Very tough.
Went after the drug dealers at a level that you don't see today anymore.
And hopefully she's going to be...
She's given up a tremendous...
She's leaving the number one show on cable television, one of the number one shows on television, period.
The five, but they've got great people left behind, but she was a big part of it.
And so I equate it to that.
Jeanine Pirro is unbelievable.
FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty McCary, with a reputation that's second to none, and the job he's doing already has been fantastic.
Thank you, Marty.
And Director of National Institute of Health, Jay Bhattacharya.
Who has been, as you know from Stanford, so highly regarded and have all been working with us very hard on this.
And the question they would ask, being a little bit new to the government aspect of it, is why hasn't somebody fight the drug price situation, meaning equalization?
There's a term.
It's called equalization.
Nobody wants to mention that term.
And I'm not knocking the drug companies.
I'm really more knocking the countries than the drug companies.
They're forced to do things.
But the drug lobby is the strongest lobby in this country, they say.
The drug lobby.
It's between that and lawyers.
And they have a lot of power.
But starting today, the United States will no longer subsidize the health care of foreign countries, which is what we were doing.
We were subsidizing others' health care.
Countries where they paid a small fraction for the same drug.
That what we pay many many times more for and will no longer tolerate profiteering and price gouging From Big Pharma, but again, it was really the countries that forced Big Pharma To do things that frankly I'm not sure they really felt comfortable doing but they've gotten away with it these countries European Union has been brutal brutal and The drug companies actually told me stories.
It was just brutal how they forced them and European Union suing all our Companies, Apple, Google, Meta.
They're suing all of our companies.
They have judges that are European Union-centric.
And they get rewarded $15 billion, $17 billion, $20 billion.
And they use that to run their operation.
It's not going to happen any longer, that I can tell you.
What's been happening is we've been subsidizing other countries throughout the world, not just in Europe, throughout the world.
European Union was the most difficult, from what I understand.
I mean, I'll tell you a story.
A friend of mine who's a businessman, very, very, very top guy.
Most of you would have heard of him.
A highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, seriously overweight, and he takes the fat shot drug.
And he called me up.
And he said, President, he used to call me Donald, now he calls me president, so that's nice respect.
But he's a rough guy, smart guy.
Very successful, very rich.
I wouldn't even know how we would know this, because he's got comments.
He said, President, could I ask you a question?
I'm in London, and I just paid for this damn fat drug I take.
I said, it's not working.
He said, I just paid $88.
And in New York, I paid $1,300.
What the hell is going on?
He said, so I checked.
And it's the same box made in the same plant by the same company.
It's the identical pill that I buy in New York.
And here I'm paying $88 in London.
In New York, I'm paying $1,300.
Now, this is a great businessman, but he's not familiar with this crazy situation that we have.
But he was stunned.
But it was just one of those stories.
And I brought it up with the drug companies, represented by somebody who's very, very smart.
Good person, too.
And we argued about it for about a half hour.
And then finally, he just said, because they can't justify it.
He just said, look.
You got me.
You got me.
I can no longer justify this crap for years.
They said, oh, it's research and development.
Well, I said, well, research and development, other countries should pay research and development, too.
It's for their benefit.
It was just one of those things.
And the other countries would set a price, and they'd meet the price, and they'd say, if you don't meet the price, you can't sell it in our country.
I said, well, then you walk away and, you know, they'll call you back and they'll sell it in the country.
But now they'll have to do that.
So for the first time in many years, we'll slash the cost of prescription drugs and we will bring fairness to America.
Drug prices will come down by...
Much more, really, if you think.
If you think of a drug that is sometimes 10 times more expensive, it's much more than the 59%.
It depends on the way you want to analyze it, but in one way you could analyze it that way.
But between 59 and 80, and I guess even 90%.
So when I worked so hard in the first term, and if I got prices down, remember I was the only one to ever get prices down for a full year.
But I'd get them down like 2%, and I thought it was like a big deal.
Well, we're getting them down 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%, but actually more than that, if you think about it in the way mathematically.
And a farmer has to say, we're sorry, but we'll not be able to do this any longer to these countries that have been so tough.
They've been very tough, nasty.
It's trade.
It's trade.
And pharma is also very powerful.
And the Democrats have protected pharma.
The Democrats, this is the Democrats have protected pharma.
These are the Democrats.
And by the way, I just called the Speaker of the House, and I just called the leader, our leader in the Senate, John Thune, Mike Johnson.
Spoke to both of them.
I said, when you score, you're going to have to score two things.
You're going to have to number one score that...
Hundreds of billions of dollars of tariff money is coming in.
But even bigger than that, you're going to have to score that your cost for Medicaid and Medicare and just basically pharmaceuticals and drugs is going down at a level that nobody has ever seen before.
It'll pay for the Golden Dome.
I see the Golden Dome is there, see?
That'll easily pay for the Golden Dome.
And we'll have a lot of money left over.
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We need the Golden Dome, by the way, in this world.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Although this world is a lot safer today than it was a week ago.
And a lot safer than it was six months ago.
We had people that had no clue what they were doing.
So today, Americans spend 70% more for prescription drugs than we spent in the year 2000.
Think of that.
Our country has the highest drug prices anywhere in the world by sometimes a factor of five, six, seven, eight times.
It's not like they're slightly higher, that There are even cases of ten times higher.
So that you go ten times more expensive for the same drug, that's big numbers.
Even though the United States is home to only four percent of the world's population, pharmaceutical companies make more than two-thirds of their profits in America.
So think of that.
With four percent of the population, the pharmaceutical companies make most of their money, most of their profits.
From America, that's not a good thing.
Now, I think, by the way, pharmaceutical, I have great respect for these companies and for the people that run them.
I really do.
And I think they did one of the greatest jobs in history for their company, convincing people for many years that this was a fair system.
Nobody really understood why, but I figured it out.
For years, pharmaceutical and drug companies have said that research and development costs were What they are.
And for no reason whatsoever, they had to be born by America alone.
Not anymore, they don't.
This means American patients were effectively subsidizing socialist health care systems in Germany, in all parts of the European Union.
They were the toughest of all.
They were nasty.
And I see that.
I see that with trade, too.
European Union.
China is in many ways nastier than China.
Okay?
And we've just started with them.
Oh, they'll come down a lot.
You watch.
We have all the cards.
They treated us very unfairly.
They sell us 13 million cards.
We sell them none.
They sell us their agricultural products.
We sell them virtually none.
They don't take our products.
That gives us all the cards and very unfair.
So they're going to have to pay more for health care and we're going to have to pay less.
That's all it is.
Believe it or not, you know, because it's really the world we're talking about, not just the European Union, but because it's the world, the numbers are for the health care company not as bad as you would think.
They'll make the same.
I think the health care companies should make pretty much the same money.
I really don't believe they should be affected very much because It's just a redistribution of wealth.
It's a redistribution where it could be the same top line, but it's going to be distributed differently.
Europe's going to have to pay a little bit more.
The rest of the world's going to have to pay a little bit more, and America's going to pay a lot less.
Again, because it's a much smaller population than when you think of the whole world.
So, basically, what we're doing is equalizing.
There's a new word that I came up with, which I think is probably the best word.
We're going to equalize.
We're all going to pay the same.
We're going to pay what Europe's going to pay.
We're going to all pay.
Now, there may be some countries in dire need, and I would be willing to sacrifice that and help them.
But it's called Most Favored Nation.
We are going to pay the lowest price there is in the world.
We will get.
Whoever is paying the lowest price, that's the price that we're going to get.
So remember that.
So we're no longer paying 10 times more than another country.
Whoever is paying the lowest price, we will look at that price and we will say that's the price we're going to pay.
Most favored nations, that's what it is.
One breast cancer drug costs Americans over $16,000 per bottle, but the same drug from the same factory manufactured by the same company is one-sixth that price in Australia.
And one-tenth that price in Sweden.
One-tenth for the identical product.
A common asthma drug costs almost $500 here in America, but costs less than $40 in the United Kingdom.
So $40 in the United Kingdom, which is where this gentleman told me he paid a small amount for his shot.
But think of that.
So $40.
That's not even better.
Much worse examples.
And the weight loss drug, Ozempic, cost ten times more in the United States than in the rest of the developed world.
Ten times more.
Why?
Why?
What did we do?
Suckers.
But we never had a president that had the courage to do this.
And nobody knew the system like I do.
I mean, I've gotten to know this system so well.
And I don't think it's fair that it benefits Obamacare.
Obamacare is a failure.
It's not a good health care.
It works.
I made it work.
I had an obligation to make it work or an obligation to let it die.
I chose that we had to make it work.
I had to make it as good as possible.
And I had a choice.
I could have let it fail.
Or make it as good as possible.
As good as possible means it was still not very good, but it survived.
And we did the right thing.
But this makes everything work.
And I don't want to have a bad form of health care work because of the fact I was able to cut drug prices by 80 or 90 percent.
So we're going to maybe come up with something.
I think this gives the Republicans a chance to actually do a health care that's much better than Obamacare and for less money.
Which you guys would work on that along with Congress.
But I do want to say that Democrats could have done this a long time ago.
They have fought like hell for the drug companies.
And they knew they were doing the wrong thing.
And it's going to be very hard.
I was just telling the leader and the speaker that it's going to be very hard for the Democrats to vote against the one big beautiful deal.
The greatest tax cuts in history.
Greatest everything.
But now you have the big Drug prices because that's going to be included.
It makes that whole situation different from a scoring standpoint.
I just told them, I called them up about this.
I said, I'm going to do something that's going to be very monumental and you're going to be scoring.
You better tell your people that this is going to score really well and then add hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs to your list also.
But as big as the tariffs are, this is something that really hits quickly.
Five years ago, I signed an executive order to confront this disaster, but only confront it in a minor way.
It was a good confrontation, but never to this extent.
It took people a little while to understand a very complicated system.
But Joe Biden, without any knowledge of what he was doing, terminated the policy and then pretended to negotiate under a new system.
And then you take a look, five out of the ten drugs that he negotiated are now over 200% more expensive in America than the rest of the world and far more expensive than when he even got involved.
Much more expensive than when he got involved.
Joe Biden's plan was a...
As you know, because you wrote about it, you don't say it very loudly, but it was a very big failure, was his whole presidency.
First, I'm directing the U.S. trade representatives and Department of Commerce to begin investigations into foreign nations that extort drug companies by blocking their products unless they accept bottom line and very low dollar amounts for their product, unfairly shifting the cost burden onto American patients.
And we'll be taking a look at that very strongly.
The biggest thing we're going to do is we're going to tell those countries, like those represented by the European Union, that, you know, that game is up.
Sorry.
And if they want to get cute, then they don't have to sell cars into the United States anymore.
It's a very big subject.
And they won't get cute.
Because I'll defend the drug companies from that standpoint.
They were given a price by the European Union and other countries.
This is what you do.
This is what we're going to pay.
We're not going to pay anymore.
Let America pay the difference because it was a big shortfall.
Let America pay it.
And that's what we did.
But we're not doing it anymore.
Next, my administration will secure what we're calling most favored nations drug pricing.
The principle is simple.
Whatever the lowest price paid for a drug in other developed countries, that is the price that Americans will pay.
And we're using the term other developed countries because there are some countries that...
Need some additional help and that's fine.
I think that's very good.
Some prescription drug and pharmaceutical prices will be reduced almost immediately by 50 to 80 to 90 percent.
Big Pharma will either abide by this principle voluntarily or will use the power of the federal government to ensure that we are paying the same price as other countries.
To accelerate these price restrictions and Reductions.
My administration will also cut out the middlemen.
We're going to totally cut out the famous middlemen.
Nobody knows who they are.
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Middlemen.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
I've been hearing the term for 25 years.
Middlemen.
I don't know who they are, but they're rich.
That I can tell you.
We're going to cut out the middlemen and facilitate the direct sale of drugs at the most favored nation price directly to the American citizen.
So we're cutting out, Bobby, the middlemen.
It's so important, right?
You've got to do that.
They're worse than the drug companies.
They don't even make a product, and they make a fortune.
It's very smart business people that I can tell you.
If companies make no significant progress toward most favored nation pricing, which we will insist that they do, so I think I'm wasting time talking about it.
We're going to insist upon it.
And we'll insist, and we're going to help the drug companies with the other nations, because those other nations do a lot of trading with us.
They need our trade, just like China needed us very badly.
They need us just as badly.
We will do whatever we have to with trade.
Just like we did some great things with trade with India and Pakistan.
Really helped the situation.
Very heated situation.
Could have lost millions of people.
More than millions.
I mean, many millions of people.
And they want to do business with America.
But we never used our powers that way.
We never knew how.
We never had people that knew how to do that.
We'll also open up America's market to safe and legal imports of affordable drugs from other countries, putting dramatic downward pressure on prices.
And if necessary, we'll investigate the drug companies and we'll, in particular, investigate the countries that are doing this, and we will add it onto the price that we charge them for doing business in America.
In other words, we'll add it onto tariffs.
If they don't do what is right, which is everybody should equalize.
Everybody should say pay the same price.
And special interests may not like this very much, but the American people will.
I mean, I am doing this for the American people.
I'm doing this against the most powerful lobby in the world, probably the drug lobby, drug and pharmaceutical lobby.
But it's one of the most important orders I think that's ever been signed, certainly with regard to health care or health.
In the history of our country, and it's an honor to be a part of it.
And I'd like to ask Robert F. Kennedy to say a few words, please.
Thank you.
robert f kennedy-jr ▲ ● ▼
Thank you, Mr. President.
This is an extraordinary day.
This is an issue that I grew up in the Democratic Party, and every major Democratic leader for 20 years has been making this promise to the American people.
This was the fulcrum of Bernie Sanders.
Runs for presidency, that he was going to eliminate this discrepancy between Europe and the United States.
As it turns out, none of them were doing it.
It's one of these promises that politicians make to their constituents, knowing that they'll never have to do it.
And the reason they'll never have to do it is because they know that Congress is controlled in so many ways by the pharmaceutical industry.
There's at least one pharmaceutical lobbyist for every congressman, every senator on Capitol Hill, and every member of the Supreme Court.
I some estimates three.
Pharmaceutical companies, the industry itself spends three times what the next largest lobbyist spends on lobbying.
So this was an issue that people talked about, but nobody wanted to do anything.
Because it was radioactive.
They knew you couldn't get it by Congress.
We now have a president who is a man of his word, who has the courage.
President Trump was taking money from the pharmaceutical industry, too.
I think they gave you $100 million.
But he can't be bought, unlike most of the politicians in this country.
And he is standing here for the American people.
I don't know what, you know, there's writers like Elizabeth Warren or Robert Reich who are saying that President Trump is on this side of the oligarchs.
There has never been a president more willing to stand up to the oligarchs than President Donald Trump.
And I'm very, very proud of you, Mr. President, for your courage.
I'll say, because I don't want to be crude, your intestinal fortitude.
Your stiff spine and your willingness to stand up for the American people.
We have 4.2% of the world's population.
Our country represents 75% of the revenues for pharmaceutical companies.
We spend in our country $1,126 per capita on drugs.
In Britain, they spend about 240.
They spend one-fifth of what we do.
And this is true across Europe.
And the drug companies, Europeans, if you ask them, it made no sense what they are saying.
America has to pay for this innovation or it's not going to happen.
President Trump is saying to our European partners, is you've got to raise the amount that you're paying for those drugs and pay for your share of the innovation.
That the United States is no longer subsidizing that.
If the Europeans raise the price of their drugs by just 20%, that is $10 trillion that can be spent on innovation.
And the health of all people all across the globe is going to increase because we're going to have better products.
So I'm just so grateful to be here today.
I never thought that this would happen in my lifetime.
I have a couple of kids who are Democrats, who are big Bernie Sanders fans, and when I told them that this was going to happen, they had tears in their eyes, because they thought, this is never going to happen in our lifetime, and we finally have a president who's willing to stand up for the American people.
Thank you.
And Dr. Oz.
mehmet oz ▲ ● ▼
Thank you, Secretary Kennedy.
This is the most powerful executive order On pharmacy pricing and healthcare ever in the history of our nation.
And it's only happening because we have a president with the fortitude, the guts to stand up to the withering criticism and lobbying that's going to occur as soon as folks hear about the executive order.
On behalf of the child in Philadelphia who's got an autoimmune disease with a $1,000 a month drug or the older woman in Los Angeles who's on a blood thinner who can't afford her co-pay, I want to thank President Trump.
God bless you for having the guts to take on this industry.
Thank you, sir.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Thank you very much.
mehmet oz ▲ ● ▼
So let's talk about the details a little bit.
And this is primarily about equalization, as President Trump said.
It's about fairness.
Think of NATO as a metaphor.
When President Trump said you've got to pay a little more so it makes sense for all of us, they came up.
And the European countries contributed.
The same thing we believe will happen in this situation.
Most people who have thought about this process agree that it is patently unfair to tolerate the numbers that Secretary Kennedy and President Trump have reflected to you.
On this chart to my left is a list of the 10 drugs that were negotiated in the IRA.
Again, this is the bill, the law, that regulates a negotiation process.
This is the best price that was able to be obtained by the Biden administration.
And if you look at these numbers, they actually reflect how much on top of the most favored So the closest to me, Bob, you can point to the Jardians, the closest one, 289%, the one that's closest to you.
That means that we are paying in America four times more than that drug costs in other countries.
Again, 100% is the baseline.
It's 289% above that baseline.
It goes all the way down to when we're paying 50% more than any other country.
That's the range.
As was pointed out by President Trump, half the time we're paying three times more than it's paid in other countries.
It doesn't make any sense for the system.
That stated, President Trump has over and over again indicated, and Secretary Kennedy has reflected as well, we want innovation.
We want our technology partners doing the best they can to make the best solutions for drugs to cure as many people in America and around the world as possible.
By getting our allies to pay a bit more, as they should be, and they should have for many years been doing, we'll course correct.
A problem that's gotten out of hand.
And by doing that in a thoughtful, effective way, we're going to be able to get the pharmaceutical industry whole.
Those jobs will still be here, will still be productive, will still be curing cancer and a slew of other ailments that plague humanity.
America will still be the leader in this space, but we'll be paying the appropriate amount, the right-sized amount for those tasks.
So over the next 30 days...
The four of us up here, together with people standing in the back of this room, we're doing a lot of the heavy lifting, are going to be approaching pharmaceutical companies to talk specifically about what we want the most favored nation price to be based on the best data we have.
We're looking forward to a thoughtful interaction with these corporate leaders, many of whom we've spoken to and in quiet will agree the system is not right the way it is.
They're patriotic Americans.
They want what's right.
But the fact that in my lifetime, as Secretary Kennedy said, for the first time, We have a thoughtful and aggressive approach, thanks to President Trump, on taking on these special interests.
I should give all Americans confidence that this is an administration that stands for fairness and should chill the waters for those who believe they can push us away from our North Star, which is to take care of the American people.
Mr. President, God bless you.
Thank you very much.
Jay, you want to go next?
unidentified
Sure.
dr jay bhattacharya ▲ ● ▼
So I teach economics at Stanford as well as health policy, and one thing that's really, really simple in economics is that when you have a persistent price difference for the same product between two countries, there is something deeply wrong.
And what President Trump has done is a historic measure that should have been done a long time ago.
What we're going to do is make sure that those prices become much closer to equal, like a competitive market you'd expect.
Right now what's happening is the American people are subsidizing in large fraction the research and development efforts for drug companies around the world by the higher prices that we pay.
With this new order, Europe will share the burden of that.
And in fact, you may think of it as somehow it's going after drug companies.
Actually, it's helping drug companies.
Because what we're also going to do with this order, what President Trump has done with this order, is he's said to European governments, look, if you are taking advantage of the drug companies by forcing them to charge very, very low prices, we're going to defend American drug companies in Europe.
At the same time...
We're standing up for the American consumer who's been paying far too high prices for far too long.
I can go back decades to point to congressional reports after government report after government report of tremendously high drug prices, much higher than the rest of the world, and nothing has been done about it until this moment.
And I'm really, really proud, President Trump, that you've done this.
I'm really proud to be included in this and looking forward to the work ahead.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. President.
On behalf of the many doctors I've talked to about this very issue, thank you for taking the bull by the horns.
Presidents on both sides of the aisle have talked about this and floated it and said they wanted to do it, so you've had the courage to do it.
Thank you.
I've been a surgical oncologist at Johns Hopkins for 22 years, and I have seen patients suffer.
We didn't take an oath to heal patients and then watch their life get ruined financially with their home, mortgage, retirement, going down the drain with GoFundMe campaigns, raising money from church communities and synagogues and friends they haven't seen in 20 years to try to raise money for what?
For a system where Americans have We've been getting ripped off by 10, 12, 15 times higher prices than we see in other countries.
The fundamental problem in healthcare is that we've had non-competitive markets.
We can do little things around the edges or we can transform those markets to competitive markets.
And that's what this executive order does today.
Buying a Ford for $175,000, a regular car, and then hearing that people in London are buying it for $10,000 every day, all day long.
That is the craziness of this system.
We're going to do everything we can at the FDA to support this executive order.
It's transformative.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Thank you very much.
So thank you very much, everybody.
I think it's a very important day.
In many ways, you have...
We'll start with the Houthis.
We go to Pakistan and India.
We go to what we did with China, the trade deal, and with UK.
And by the way, many other deals are coming in very much.
At a certain point, we'll just set the price because we know where we are.
But we'll just set the price.
But world trade is going to be terrific.
And our country is going to be making a lot of money.
Taxes are going to go down.
Taxes are going to go down very, very substantially.
But you look at all of the things that we've done, and now today I'm heading over.
We'll see what we're going to do with respect to Iran.
I think you have very good things happening there, too, by the way.
They can't have a nuclear weapon, but I think that they are talking intelligently.
We're in the midst of talking to them, and they're right now acting very intelligent.
We want Iran to be wealthy and wonderful and happy and great.
But they can't have a nuclear weapon.
It's very simple.
So I think they understand that I mean business.
And I think they're being very reasonable thus far.
And don't underestimate Thursday in Turkey.
President Erdogan is going to be a great host.
And we are doing...
Some work with him having to do with Syria, too, by the way.
We're going to have to make a decision on the sanctions, which we may very well relieve.
We may take them off of Syria because we want to give them a fresh start.
But President Erdogan has asked me about that.
Many people have asked me about that because the way we have them sanctioned, it doesn't really give them much of a start.
So we want to see if we can help them out.
So we'll make that determination.
But I think you're going to have maybe a good meeting.
You have the potential for a good meeting, that a meeting wasn't going to take place.
I insisted that that meeting take place.
And it is taking place.
And I think you may have a good result out of the Thursday meeting in Turkey between Russia and Ukraine.
And I believe the two leaders were going to be there.
I was thinking about flying over.
I don't know where I'm going to be on Thursday.
I've got so many meetings.
But I was thinking about actually flying over there.
There's a possibility of it, I guess, if I think things can happen.
But we've got to get it done.
We've got to save 5,000 lives a week.
5,000 lives is really more than that.
It's worse than that.
And when you see the...
And you don't want to see it, but when you see the satellite photographs of the battlefield with arms and legs and heads all over the place, separated by 30 yards from bodies, it's not...
Does it make sense?
Does it make sense?
So we're working very hard to see if we can end that bloodbath.
Okay, there shouldn't be too many questions.
It's been covered pretty well.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you for taking questions.
Two quick ones for you.
Starting on trade.
If a longer-term deal is not reached with China at the end of these 90 days, can the American people expect those tariffs to go back up to 145%?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
No, but they would go up substantially higher.
You know, at 145, you're really decoupling because nobody's going to buy.
But they can go.
They got very high because of additional tariffs I applied during the course because of fentanyl and other things.
unidentified
But no, but they'd go substantially higher.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
I think you will have a deal, however.
unidentified
You're confident that there will be a deal on Qatar.
Has Qatar asked for anything in exchange for that $400 million luxury jumbo jet?
And how can the American people be so sure that they will not in the future?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think what happens with the plane is that, you know, we're very disappointed that it's taking Boeing so long to build a new Air Force One.
You know, we have an Air Force One that's 40 years old.
And if you take a look at that compared to the new plane of the equivalent.
You know, stature at the time.
It's not even the same ballgame.
You look at some of the Arab countries and the planes they have parked alongside of the United States of America plane.
It's like from a different planet.
And it's close to 40 years old.
It might be more than 40 years old now.
And we, when I first came in, I signed an order to get it built.
I took it over from...
The Obama administration, they had originally agreed.
I got the price down much lower.
And then when the election didn't exactly work out the way that it should have, a lot of work was not done on the plane because a lot of people didn't know.
They made change orders that were so stupid, so ridiculous.
And it ended up being a total mess, a real mess.
And when I came back, I said, by the way, what's going on with the...
The Boeings that are coming in.
Well, sir, they're way behind.
And they are.
They're way behind.
They were way behind.
Another mess that I inherited from Biden.
And it's going to be a while before we get them.
And I think Qatar, who has really, we've helped them a lot over the years in terms of security and safety.
I feel, I think, and very, very nicely.
And I have a lot of respect for the leadership and for the leader, Qatar.
And I think they knew about it because they buy Boeings.
They buy a lot of Boeings.
And they knew about it.
And they said we would like to do something.
And if we can get a 747 as a contribution to our Defense Department to use during a couple of years while they're building the other ones, I think that was a very nice gesture.
I could be a stupid person and say, oh, no, we don't want a free plane.
We give free things out.
We'll take one, too.
And it helps us out because, again, we're talking about we have 40-year-old aircraft.
The money we spend, the maintenance we spend on those planes to keep them tippy-top is astronomical.
You wouldn't even believe it.
So I think it's a great gesture from Qatar.
I appreciate it very much.
I would never be one to turn down that kind of an offer.
I mean, I could be...
A stupid person say, no, we don't want a free, very expensive airplane.
But I thought it was a great gesture.
And I think it was a gesture because of the fact that we have helped and continue to.
We will continue to.
All of those countries, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, and others, we keep them safe.
If it wasn't for us, they probably wouldn't exist right now.
And I think this was just a gesture of good faith.
I don't get it.
Someday it'll be like Ronald Reagan.
They decommission them.
You know, they get to a certain age, they decommission them.
It'll go to my library.
They're talking about going to my library in years out.
But I thought it was a great gesture.
And it's something that was done by Ronald Reagan.
They actually decommissioned the plane and he put it in his library.
And it actually has made the library, I think a Boeing 707, it's actually made the library more successful.
So it was good.
unidentified
Do you plan to use the plane after you leave office?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
No, I don't, no.
It would go directly to the library after I leave office.
I wouldn't be using it, no.
unidentified
Mr. President, on the hostage, you said that the release of the American hostage, Adam Alexander, is a step in good faith to end this war.
Do you expect any progress, perhaps, announcement on ceasefire during your trip to the Middle East?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
We hope that we're going to have other hostages released, too, as you know.
When I met with the hostages three weeks ago that were there for quite a while, you remember the ten people that came in, mostly young people.
One or two were a little bit older.
They were explaining the trials and tribulations.
I mean, they went through hell.
And I said, how many are there?
They said 59. I said, that's a lot.
I didn't realize.
Because we got a lot out.
You know, we got a lot of hostages out, I think you will acknowledge.
They said 59. But then they said, they followed that up by saying 59, of which 24 are living, the rest are dead.
But the people whose son, mostly son, I think one daughter in this case, but mostly sons are there or husbands, are there.
Those people want the dead bodies as much as they want the live body.
I was, I have a mother that calls me, but came up to me when I first met her and she said, sir, please, please get my son out.
He's dead, but they have his body.
And I asked her about that, and it's as though he were alive.
The level of wanting that body back is the same.
It couldn't be anymore, as though he were alive.
So, you know, getting the bodies back is very important.
It could be a thing having to do with a religion.
I was amazed at the level of importance.
It's the same as if the son or husband or whatever was alive.
So they said 59. In fact, they came out.
They came in with a number 59 written out on like a sign on their chest.
They came to thank me for getting them out.
And I said, what does the 59 mean?
They said, well, that means there are 59 people.
But then they said, but 24 are living.
Now it's 21. The number is 21. So now it's actually, well.
We'll get Etan today.
We think we're getting him today.
So they have 20 live hostages there.
The rest are dead bodies.
unidentified
Mr. President, are you open to negotiating your tariffs on cars, steel, and aluminum with China or any other country?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Well, we're not even talking about that.
We're bringing the car business back into this country.
We have commitments, not only commitments, they've already started construction on many plants.
They've left...
Mexico in a few cases.
In a few cases, they've left Canada.
They're not going to build in Canada.
They're going to build here.
Because we have the market and the tariffs have been amazing.
The election and the tariffs.
November 5th was a big day.
And on top of that, of course, you wouldn't have the tariffs without the election, I guess, if you look at it.
But we have at least 11 committed massive car factories that are going to be built, that are in the process of being built.
And some are going, some have actually started.
We also have renovations of existing factories where they weren't utilizing the full factory from years gone by.
And now they're under full renovation.
They'll be opening up full factories in a very short period of time.
Our car industries, I think we're going to have the number one industry.
You know, if you look at Japan and these others, they do tremendously with cars.
And they can do that, too.
But, you know, if they want to sell cars in the United States, they're going to have to build factories in the United States because I'm interested in cars for the United States.
Now, one other thing is, in our tax bill, we're giving not only no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime, but also we're going to get a deduction for people that borrow money to buy a car if it's made in America.
If it's not, we have no interest.
unidentified
If I felt it would be important toward getting the deal done, I'm the one that insisted on the meeting.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
They couldn't get a meeting because one said ceasefire, one said no ceasefire, was going back and forth.
I said, look, at this point, we've got to stop it.
Just go to the meeting.
The meeting's been set.
Go to the meeting on Thursday.
And if I thought it would be helpful, I don't know where I'm going to be at that particular point.
I'll be someplace in the Middle East, but I would fly there if I thought it would be helpful.
unidentified
Dozens of Afrikaners who claim discrimination in their home country are heading to the United States where your administration is going to welcome them as refugees.
Now this comes as you've halted virtually all refugee admissions for people to claim famine and war from countries like Sudan, the Democratic Republic, the Congo.
Why are you creating an expedited path into the country for Afrikaners but not others?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Because they're being killed.
And we don't want to see people be killed.
Now, South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I understand, sometime next week.
And, you know, we're supposed to have a, I guess, a G20 meeting there or something.
But we're having a G20 meeting.
I don't know how we can go unless that situation's...
But it's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't want to write about.
But it's a terrible thing that's taking place.
And farmers are being killed.
They happen to be white.
But whether they're white or black makes no difference to me.
But white farmers are being brutally killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa.
And the newspapers and the media, television media, doesn't even talk about it.
If it were the other way around, they'd talk about it.
That would be the only story they'd talk about.
I don't care who they are.
I don't care about their race, their color.
I don't care about their height, their weight.
I don't care about anything.
I just know that what's happening is terrible.
I have people that live in South Africa.
They say it's a terrible situation taking place.
So we've essentially extended citizenship to those people to escape from that violence.
unidentified
Mr. President, thank you.
Are you letting China off the hook for these 90 days?
And do you really believe that they will follow through with non-tariff barriers and remove those?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Non-monetary tariffs, yeah.
Yeah, I think they're going to follow through.
I think they want it very badly.
I think they want the deal very badly.
Again, this doesn't include the steel tariffs that I put on a long time ago that Biden tried to get off, but he couldn't get them off because it was too much money.
You know, I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China, which a lot of people don't know, but we put on the tariffs originally.
And if I didn't do that, we wouldn't have a steel industry today.
Now we have a thriving steel industry.
It'll be thriving much more with what we're doing because this is the next level.
But it doesn't include that.
It doesn't include cars.
It doesn't include pharmaceuticals when we do that.
And the reason we're doing that will be to get them to come back into the country.
You know, there are, again, I always say it because a lot of people forget, but if...
A company like Eli Lilly, which is making a massive investment in the United States right now.
They're building many, many plants.
They've already started, like, seven of them.
Many plants.
But they are not going to be tariffed.
There's no tariff cost.
So they're all doing that.
They're all coming back to the United States.
I mean, I'll tell you what.
I hope I get the benefit of watching this as president.
Because, you know, it takes a little while to do this stuff.
And we're doing it early in the administration.
If you think of it, we have, I believe, if you look at the real total, it's over $10 trillion committed for plants and factories.
Other administrations haven't had $1 trillion over a four-year period, even over an eight-year period.
We have over $10 trillion committed in one form or the other over two months.
Give me a break.
I'm here to hear three, but let's give me a break on the first On the first month, we want to get acclimated.
But if you think about it, it's really two months.
And so in two months, we have an investment already of over $10 trillion.
And other presidents haven't had that done over a year, over four years in some cases.
It's unprecedented.
There's never been anything like it.
It's a very exciting time in America.
Thank you very much, everybody.
unidentified
Mr. President, are you right to impose sanctions on Russia if Putin doesn't agree with the 30-day...
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
I have a feeling they're going to agree.
I do.
I have a feeling.
unidentified
I want to see what happens.
No, Mr. President.
Thank you, Mr. President.
It's a historic executive order.
Keep the shot right there, gentlemen.
In studio today is my co-host, Jason Miller, who you probably get two minutes to see.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
In terms of medical, I think you're going to see a tremendous cut.
I don't think.
I mean, I know you're going to see it in Medicaid and Medicare.
That cut will be massive because drugs are 50, 60 percent of the cost.
So Medicaid costs are going down and Medicare costs are going down because of what we're doing today.
And there's no — it's not like, "Oh, gee, well, maybe it won't happen." It's going to happen because — The other countries have no choice.
Now, the drug companies are going to have to say, "Listen, if you don't pay more, we're not going to give you the drug." And they're willing to do that.
So, that's it.
They have to-- we have to equalize.
unidentified
How do you respond to the price controls?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
Say it?
unidentified
How do you respond to the fact that this-- It's not price control.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
No, no.
What was-- price control is before.
If you want to talk about-- price control is what they were doing.
They were making us pay.
They set a price.
And they said, "Here's what we're going to pay." And anything else, judge America.
Because at that time, they had a very stupid president.
And it really went crazy during the last four years.
And remember this.
The Democrats are the ones that allowed this to happen.
They were the ones that were the protector of this pricing system.
And I think it's going to be very hard.
You'll have to ask Democrats, are they going to vote against the...
One great, big, beautiful deal that's being negotiated now, tax cuts, etc.
We're now on top of the tax cuts and regulation cuts, all the things.
Now you're going to say that the price of your medicine is going down by 60, 70, 80 percent.
You're going to vote against it?
I think a lot of Democrats are going to be forced to do something that their leaders...
I'm going to beg them not to do, and that's vote for the bill.
I don't see how they can vote against it.
How can they vote against it when drug prices, drugs and pharmaceuticals are going to be down 70, 80 percent?
It's going to be very interesting.
unidentified
The Press: Mr. President, what do you say to people who view that luxury jet as a personal gift to you?
Why not leave it behind?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
The President: You're ABC fake news, right?
unidentified
The Press: Why not leave it behind?
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
The President: There's only ABC-- well, a few of you would.
Let me tell you, you should be embarrassed asking that question.
They're giving us a free jet.
I could say, "No, no, no, don't give a- I want to pay you a billion or 400 million or whatever it is." Or I could say, "Thank you very much." You know, there was an old golfer named Sam Snead.
Did you ever hear?
He won 82 tournaments.
He was a great golfer.
And he had a motto.
When they give you a putt, you say, "Thank you very much." You pick up your ball and you walk to the next hole.
A lot of people are stupid.
They say, "No, no, I insist on putting it." Then they putt it and they miss it.
And their partner gets angry at them.
You know what?
Remember that, Sam Snead.
When they give you a putt, you pick it up and you walk to the next hole and you say, "Thank you very much." Respect me, sir.
unidentified
As a businessman, some people may look at this and say, "Have you ever been given a gift worth millions of dollars and then not received anything?" It's not a gift to me.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼
It's a gift to the Department of Defense.
The President: And you should know better, because you've been embarrassed enough, and so has your network.
Your network is a disaster.
ABC is a disaster.
Here is the bill.
Bobby, come on over here.
.
unidentified
Thank you very much, everybody.
Thank you very much.
Okay, there's the president.
Absolute blockbuster today.
Started this morning at...
There's the president.
Let's keep that shot right there.
My co-host from the beginning of the war room, Jason Miller, is in the house.
Jason, this started this morning with us at 3 a.m. Eastern Time when Scott Besson stepped to the microphones in Geneva about the trade deal.
What a morning it's been already.
Pretty historic.
Yeah, no, it's been huge.
And Steve, I'll tell you, as I set my alarm to get up this morning to watch Secretary Besant and Ambassador Greer, which, you know, some people set their alarm to wake up and watch an Olympic team on the other side of the planet.
And so I come back into the room.
My wife's like, what are you doing?
I was watching the press conference with the trade press conference in Geneva.
And she goes, who are you on the phone with?
Steve Bannon.
She just looked and just like shook her head.
So that's how the day started.
But Steve, I'd rather, you know, chat with you at three in the morning than anyone else.
About these topics, I mean, it's a big day.
This is a very historic day.
When you think about what has been done just today.
So, first of all, we talk about this historic trade deal with China, which, by the way, we still have the 50% tariffs on China.
And this still doesn't even count.
Explain that for a second, because I think there's a misinterpretation about the 10% going on in the 90 days.
Let's talk about the reality.
The hand that President Trump's playing and the cards he's playing very smart.
Number one, we have 50% tariff basically on China, on their goods.
Correct.
So it's the 20% that are from the first term.
From the first term.
Which Biden couldn't even take off.
Exactly.
And now we know the atrophy.
We'll get into this later, but how Biden, these guys just, even the Chinese said, we don't know what happened.
These guys couldn't even talk to them.
That 20. Plus a 20, the fentanyl.
The fentanyl 20. Yep.
Plus then the 10% that we talked about, the universal baseline tariff.
So it's 50% on them, 10% that they have on us.
So right away, the president got them to take their way down.
Still, this does not even count the tariffs on strategic industries, whether it be semiconductors or automobiles or steel and aluminum, or as we start talking about pharmaceuticals.
So when we talk about what's the shift, the tectonic plate shift of what's already happening for not just jobs coming back to the U.S., not just foreign...
We're an investment company in the U.S., but also think about all the jobs and industries that have moved away from China, whether they're going to other Southeast Asian countries or they're going to India.
You think of what's happening with Apple, for example.
The shift is starting to happen.
What Secretary Besant said with a strategic decoupling is exactly what it is.
So are we ever going to have the T-shirt?
In the industry back in the United States?
No, probably not.
But do we need to make our semiconductors here?
Do we need to make our AI servers here?
Things of this nature, of course.
Then you think of what the president just did.
Well, hang on for a second, because in the strategic decoupling, and we're going to play all this later, folks.
We've got all the clips.
I've got to use Jason because he's got a bolt.
What he said also in Geneva...
He said it's the precision engineering, it's the precision manufacturing that we need to get back here.
That's the key thing.
And that's what the strategic, we're going to strategically decouple from that, bring those industries back.
Those are the high value added manufacturing jobs of the future.
Exactly.
So that's what we need and that's what I think President Trump is doing.
Keep in mind, this is just with regard to China.
All the tariffs still remain when it comes to the EU, when it comes to other trading partners.
Of course, we got the deal done with the UK, but President Trump is going to get wins from all these countries.
You just got back from Southeast Asia.
They're all looking, whether it's Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, India, the big group of the East Asians, Indo-Pacific, Australia.
These are all stacked up that Besson is going to come back when he gets back from Saudi Arabia and start closing on it.
Yeah.
Another thing, too, is keep in mind it's not just these deals.
It's also the foreign investment.
So I had a roundtable with energy CEOs when I was in Japan.
They're going to be putting in tens of billions when it comes to whether it be Alaska or the Gulf states, various projects.
Another thing, too, Steve, that really jumped out at me when I was in Asia.
Everybody wants to be teamed up with the U.S. They're begging to be teamed up with the U.S. You spend time in both Singapore and Tokyo and Taipei.
I want to get to Taipei in a second.
In Singapore.
Because Singapore, since Hong Kong's been shut down from us, I mean, you and I spend a lot of time there, since that's been shut down from us, Singapore has become the new center of gravity.
Really, the capital market outside of Tokyo in Asia?
It is.
That's where all the deals are being done.
So when you think about what's at the dead center of the quad, it's really Singapore.
Obviously, Singapore is not a member, but whether it's Australia, India, Japan, South Korea, ourselves, you think about all the key allies in the area, Singapore is right at the dead center of all of it.
And these countries want to be teamed up with us.
That's where they want to be.
Did you get any pushback at all?
Trump kind of called guys out for the non-tariff barriers, which are so key here.
It's just not the number.
It's the non-tariff barriers.
Did anybody actually complain that, yeah, that's unfair?
They all kind of admit that they've been doing this to block American exports.
Well, exactly.
I mean, you think about with Japan, with the currency manipulation.
I mean, you wouldn't think that Japan is a country that has serious issues with currency manipulation, but they do.
I mean, we kind of take for granted, I think, the...
The independence here of the Fed.
I know sometimes the president likes to go and tee up our man Jay Powell a little bit.
But having the independence of the Fed is a pretty important thing when we talk about global currency.
So they have to go and change some of these non-tariff barriers.
There are a lot of sticky points, say, with regard to Japan and agriculture is a big one.
But they have to.
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