May 7, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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They are not, or they've been announced to us at least, that they don't want to fight anymore. | |
| They just don't want to fight. | ||
| And we will honor that. | ||
| And we will stop the bombings. | ||
| And they have capitulated. | ||
| But more importantly, we will take their word. | ||
| They say they will not be blowing up ships anymore. | ||
| And that's what the purpose of what we were doing. | ||
| So that's just news. | ||
| We just found out about that. | ||
| So I think that's very, very positive. | ||
| They were knocking out a lot of ships, going, as you know, sailing beautifully down the various seas. | ||
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It wasn't just a canal. | |
| It was a lot of other places. | ||
| And I will accept their word. | ||
| And we are going to stop the bombing of the Houthis. | ||
| Effective immediately, and Marco, you'll let everybody know that. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
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The people have had a belly full of it. | |
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff. | ||
| Welcome to the War Room. | ||
| It's still Natalie Winters holding the fort down here. | ||
| Set in the war room May 6th in the year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| It's not Stephen K. Bannon, but we have an extremely packed show. | ||
| We're going to cover all the verticals. | ||
| That implies that they're separate. | ||
| We know they're all interlinked because it's the same enemy. | ||
| You know, we're not allowed to say, what is it, the enemy within? | ||
| Well, I think the enemy within has been fully exposed, particularly on this Ed Martin battle. | ||
| And I think with what's been going on over at the Pentagon, all things Iran, we will start there. | ||
| Then we're going to have Mike Howell from Oversight come on, give us the latest with Ed Martin. | ||
| We've got an interesting story on the sort of evolution, or maybe devolution, of the DSA, the Democratic Socialists for America. | ||
| And they're maybe upstart Canada up in New York. | ||
| But until we get to all that, the domestic stuff, we're going to start with what's going on in Yemen. | ||
| and I'm honored to be joined by Kurt Mills, one of the few people who I think I can describe as a foreign policy expert who's actually deserving of the term. | ||
| Every time I see that Chiron, it's like Pavlov's dog. | ||
| I'm like, okay, what country is this person going to call, uh, that we need to start bombing? | ||
| Uh, I guess Iran is now maybe a strong contender. | ||
| Um, I'd love to sort of get your thoughts on the development of what President Trump was just talking about in the cold open that we've apparently stopped bombing the Houthis. | ||
| They said they didn't want to continue their campaign. | ||
| Your thoughts, and then we'll get into more broadly the Iran conflict. | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
| So, I mean, more surprises, more art of the deal. | ||
| I think all things considered, since the bombing campaign started in mid-March, this was the absolute best-case scenario of what could have occurred. | ||
| Trump accepted the Houthi offer that was extended, you know, sort of informally last month, and it looks like ahead of Trump's trip to the Gulf next week. | ||
| You know, it's safe, the president, you know, all things considered, a dangerous part of the world to travel to. | ||
| And this is a resumption of the sort of work that was going on in the transition when Special Envoy Wyckoff negotiated a ceasefire between the Israelis and the Israelis. | ||
| And, you know, hopefully it all holds. | ||
| And just broaden this out, obviously there's been a lot of back and forth, perhaps leading to firings and leak investigations and all that jazz over at the Pentagon. | ||
| That's at least been sort of one of the potential explanations. | ||
| But where you think we stand on, maybe the best way to do it, the sort of factions that you think you've seen emerge, particularly in the never-ending quest to start a war with Iran, where we sort of stand in that horse race right now? | ||
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Yeah, I mean, it's interesting that you said that factions are not necessarily the factions within the administration. | |
| I mean, this platform is as important as almost any government cabinet or bureau at this point. | ||
| So, you know, it's a huge vortex for President Trump's attention. | ||
| But, you know, the effective battle lines are this. | ||
| Those who want to take the wars that were inherited from President Biden and resolve them this year in Trump's, you know, first 360 days. | ||
| And those who want to see expansion of the theaters, either whether it be in Ukraine or the Middle East, the Middle East one seems like its front burner right now. | ||
| We could have an Iran deal as soon as this month. | ||
| They're already into technical negotiations. | ||
| So the negotiations with the Iranians are further along than they have been at any time since the secession of the JCPOA on the American side in 2018. | ||
| They're further along than they ever were under Biden. | ||
| And so, I mean, the prospect of a Trump-Iran deal... | ||
| There are those sort of hawkish Bush-wing Republicans, you know, the sort of Nick Lee Haley types, the Pompeo types, the Wall Street Journal types who want to see a new offensive. | ||
| You know, this is very related to Yemen. | ||
| They argue that the Houthis are a direct proxy of Iran. | ||
| It's far more complicated than that. | ||
| But regardless, it is increasingly set up as a binary. | ||
| Does President Trump want a new war in the Middle East, or does he want to be a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize? | ||
| I think the jibe we kind of always hear from our audience is, you know, oh, well, with whatever's going on in Ukraine or whatever is maybe potentially, you know... | ||
| Calming down a bit in the Middle East, they're now looking for their sort of new forever war. | ||
| Do you think that that's a valid paradigm to evaluate what's going on in Iran through? | ||
| Or is this sort of, I mean, I would probably think it's a longer drawn out thing. | ||
| There's been more effort and investments made to make this into a potential forever war type conflict. | ||
| John Bolton just, you know, comes to mind naturally. | ||
| But your thoughts on that sort of critique? | ||
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Yeah, I mean, look, say what you will for former National Security Advisor Bolton, Ambassador Bolton, he's very honest, and that's what a maximal sort of neocon hawk Republican worldview looks like. | |
| It looks like the U.S. overextended into every theater forever and ever, and he doesn't really make any apologies for that. | ||
| There's not much nuance there. | ||
| I think, you know, yes, Iran and Ukraine are separate theaters, but the hawks so often sort of link them. | ||
| You know, they'll say, oh, look, you know, the Russians are using Iranian shot-head drones. | ||
| That's, you know, how it's all one fight. | ||
| The world is breaking up into axis of autocracies versus, you know, the Western democracies. | ||
| This sort of inevitable, unavoidable fight is very redolent, frankly, of the World War I or the pre-World War I environment. | ||
| Endless series of alliances tripped us into a huge world war. | ||
| And that's why I think these sort of alliances, unquestioned, unambiguous, and lockstep, even with some of our closest partners, should be evaluated and are pretty dangerous. | ||
| I see it happen a ton with China, whereby these neocons sort of co-opt the PRC issue. | ||
| And, you know, I think... | ||
| Accurately estimate the threat that it is existentially, geopolitically. | ||
| But then they use that not really to actually take on the CCP, but just to justify the newly minted trillion-dollar defense budget. | ||
| And in some ways, I think you see the bolstering of a lot of these enemies to justify that continued spending at an exponentially, if not logarithmically, increasing rate. | ||
| I'd love to get your thoughts on the, I believe I'm correct, the trillion-dollar defense. | ||
| The sort of reorientation, putting more measures and just preparation into the sort of anti-China front. | ||
| Do you find meaning in that? | ||
| Or do you think that it's, you know, regrettably just sort of, you know, Washington politics as usual. | ||
| Forget who the president is. | ||
| No matter what, you're going to see defense spending balloon. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, look, the budget put forward by OMB, you know, last week was, you know, on the second derivative, positive, but it was still an increase. | |
| And yet, the sort of hawks on the Hill, very much anchored around the Senate Armed Services Chairman, Roger Wicker, complained that it wasn't enough. | ||
| And so I think, you know, it shows that I think oftentimes there's this sort of perspective like, well, we should just, you know, it's a big tent. | ||
| We should try to balance. | ||
| I mean, even if the U.S. were to do a regime-change war in Iran, the next thing that would be asked would be to do a regime-change war in Turkey. | ||
| Same thing with the Pentagon budget. | ||
| If you give them $200 billion more, they'll ask for $500 billion more. | ||
| I just view it as far more of a tradeoff. | ||
| As to the China question rather directly, I think it's always very curious that those who would want to hike the Pentagon budget most prodigiously are often the ones who have long records of wanting to trade with the Chinese openly, right? | ||
| So, I mean, how rational is this? | ||
| We're talking about increasing the Pentagon budget for this allegedly existential threat that we need to, you know, sink more and more resources into while the country's industrial capacity sort of withers away. | ||
| The average American thinks the country is going in the wrong direction. | ||
| And on the other hand, you know, you can't have any question about the tariff regime or lack thereof on the PRC. | ||
| I think it's just an entirely failed sort of globalist cast of mind that has been the default architecture of decision makers in Washington since at least the 80s. | ||
| Kurt Mills, always an honor to have you on. | ||
| I know the audience loves keeping up to date with your writings, your Twitter. | ||
| As Steve would say, you're always coming in hot. | ||
| Where can people go to follow you and keep up to date with everything that you're working on? | ||
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For sure. | |
| Please help the magazine, theamericanconservative.com. | ||
| You can subscribe. | ||
| And then you can also see my work on X, just at C-U-R-T-M-I-L-L-S. | ||
| I'm out there. | ||
| Kurt Mills, thank you as always for joining us. | ||
| And I believe we are joined now by Mike Howell. | ||
| Mike, I know you're always a feisty guest. | ||
| We're honored to always have you here in the War Room, but I want to trigger you a little bit. | ||
| So Denver, we're going to roll the extended interview with War Room's, I guess, target, metaphorically, of the moment, Tom Tillis. | ||
| So Denver, let's roll it. | ||
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I don't believe he's being advanced to the markup. | |
| I met with Mr. Martin. | ||
| He seems like a good man. | ||
| Most of my concerns related to January 6th. | ||
| And he built a compelling case on some of the 1512 prosecutions that were probably key to the moment bad decisions. | ||
| But where we probably have a difference is I think anybody that reached the perimeter should have been in prison for some period of time. | ||
| Whether it's 30 days or three years is debatable. | ||
| But I have no tolerance for anybody who entered the building on January 6th. | ||
| And that's probably where most of the friction was. | ||
| He disagreed with you on that? | ||
| Well, no, I have to say that Mr. Martin did a good job of explaining how there were people that probably got caught up in it. | ||
| But they made the stupid decision to come through a building that had been breached and that the police officers and others were saying, stay away. | ||
| So the difference wasn't that they should be charged, in my estimation. | ||
| It's by how much. | ||
| That's an argument I'm willing to have. | ||
| But we have to be very, very clear that what happened on January the 6th was wrong. | ||
| It wasn't... | ||
| It was not prompted or created by other people to put those people in trouble. | ||
| They made a stupid decision, and they disgraced the United States by absolutely destroying the Capitol, and I can't have any patience for them. | ||
| It sounds like your concerns were not appreciated. | ||
| But let me be very clear, though. | ||
| Mr. Martin did a good job of explaining the one area that I think he's probably right, that there were some people that were over-prosecuted. | ||
| But there were some, 200 or 300 of them, that should have never gotten... | ||
| Pardon. | ||
| And he agreed with that. | ||
| But the disagreement there had more to do. | ||
| If Mr. Martin were being put forth as a U.S. attorney for any district except the district where January 6th happened, the protest happened, I'd probably support him, but not in this district. | ||
| When you say he's not being advanced to the markup, was he operating under that understanding that he's not being advanced through to a markup? | ||
| Well, I think Mr. Martin, I'm sure they're looking through it. | ||
| I mean, be clear, some of the deadline has to do with the length of time he can operate his acting, and the administration can work through that if they want. | ||
| To have more time and potentially work them through. | ||
| But at this point, I've indicated to the White House I wouldn't support his nomination. | ||
| Mr. President, I talk all the time. | ||
| Now, Mike Howell, I've had my chance to tee off on this guy in the 5 p.m. | ||
| I love this man who can find, you know, more grace and nuance for the illegal aliens that he wants amnesty for, or Zelensky, who he thinks we need to be thanking, despite, I mean, canceling elections, I think, is a little worse than, what, debating three days versus three years. | ||
| Apparently he can't find that same, shall we say, consideration for Ed Martin. | ||
| That's how you know this guy is a, I was going to say a rhino, but maybe just political hack bought and paid for by donors who don't want Ed Martin substantially and significantly investigating the crimes that have gone on in D.C. Maybe that's a better way to put it. | ||
| I will let you sort of walk our audience through what you guys have been doing over the new spun-off of Heritage Oversight project, but your thoughts on this sort of whole Ed Martin debacle, which I don't know about you, I'm kind of getting PTSD and deja vu from all these just horrific, feckless Republicans, not even doing nothing, but actively sabotaging President Trump's agenda. | ||
| Yeah, that's ultimately what this is about. | ||
| It's whether Trump can make his hiring decisions or not. | ||
| And then the outcome of that is if the Senate effectively gets turned over to Durbin, Schiff and Schumer with the assist from Senator Tillis or others, it's about ending the forward progress of the Senate and executing President Trump's mandate. | ||
| So this is really not just about U.S. Attorney Martin. | ||
| It's about President Trump. | ||
| And if you take a look and listen to Tillis' comments, you have to wonder, Why don't they apply to President Trump or Cash or Bondi or anyone else in the cabinet? | ||
| Why pick Ed Martin over January 6th at this moment? | ||
| And so it's really a criticism of President Trump. | ||
| And that's what I see Senator Till is saying. | ||
| Lucky for him, he's not voting for January 6th. | ||
| He's voting for Trump's U.S. attorney. | ||
| And so hopefully he can put... | ||
| His concerns aside, because U.S. A. Martin's record on these issues as U.S. attorney is terrific. | ||
| No one's gone harder at people who go after cops than U.S. A. Martin. | ||
| No one's gone harder for law and order in Washington, D.C. than Martin. | ||
| And so it really doesn't make sense. | ||
| And I'm hoping why Senator Tillis laying out that reasoning, he eventually can be reasoned with, because this is not a vote. | ||
| To condone whatever his view on January 6th is, it's a vote of whether he supports President Trump's decision to put his people in the spots where he thinks they can serve the country best. | ||
| And I don't know what's going on with Senator Tillis and President Trump, but this is a highly unfortunate fight for the senator to pick at a really critical time, and I think we're all hoping that he can get to yes on this critical post. | ||
| And walk us through maybe the other, shall we say, sleeper cells of potential opposition. | ||
| We know people like Norm Eisen and Mark Elias have come out in very staunch opposition to Ed Martin. | ||
| I'd ask Tom Tillis why he finds himself on the same side of any issue as people who have declared war open season on this wonderful republic. | ||
| Of the 12 members of the Judiciary Committee, which I believe we need unanimous support from to actually not have, you know, Judge Boesberg, like I said, the only man who, based off of physiognomy, probably looks more concerning than Senator Tillis, and apparently likes illegal alien criminals to stay in this country. | ||
| But do you think that there could be any other potential defectors among the existing Republicans, those that have not, you know, explicitly come out and supported him? | ||
| No, no, I don't. | ||
| I think there's actually a groundswell of support for Martin right now. | ||
| I call it Martin mania. | ||
| I have not seen this much enthusiasm for a U.S. attorney ever. | ||
| It's the entire base is behind him. | ||
| All of the groups are lining up. | ||
| Senators are standing up. | ||
| Senator Rand Paul sent a letter to all of his colleagues today. | ||
| Senator Lee and Tuberville have been really out there. | ||
| And there's many more I'm not naming. | ||
| And so what's really happening here is starting, you know, a month or so ago. | ||
| Schumer, Durbin, and Schiff started shopping oppo around, trying to peel people off. | ||
| And they basically had a bunch of smears. | ||
| They accused Martin of being anti-Semitic. | ||
| That was so bogus. | ||
| It actually ended up getting him a ton of Jewish support from main leaders and groups coming out. | ||
| They accused him of not having any experience or the support. | ||
| And then what happened was all the law enforcement groups came out to support Martin. | ||
| And then all the state attorneys, generals, came out to support him. | ||
| So he's got support. | ||
| Far, wide, and deep. | ||
| But this is all reaction to the oppo shot by Schumer and co. | ||
| And you can't let it work. | ||
| Because if it works in the unprecedented event of Trump losing his guy were to pass, you might as well hand over control of the Senate to the Democrats. | ||
| And you don't want to do that before reconciliation or any of the other major items. | ||
| We're barely over 100 days in. | ||
| We have all the presidency, the House, and the Senate. | ||
| Let's not give it over to Schumer. | ||
| And if you humor me for a second, I got a little black book with some notes in it while I think we can get to yes. | ||
| Here are the people that Senator Tillis voted for in the Biden administration. | ||
| Anthony Blinken, Yellen, Vilsack, Ramondo, Granholm, Cardona, McDonough, Monaco, Merrick Garland, Matthew Graves. | ||
| If you're telling me those people can pass muster for Senator Tillis, I think he can get to yes if his concerns are reasoned with. | ||
| They are easily dispensed of. | ||
| Voting for Ed Martin will not change a thing about January 6th. | ||
| It is over. | ||
| We are moving on. | ||
| President Trump has taken a position. | ||
| To pick a fight on that issue right now is to pick a fight with President Trump at a critical time. | ||
| And I don't think anybody, when they sit down and their temper is cool, wants to take out Trump's favorite U.S. attorney. | ||
| It would be unprecedented. | ||
| It would be a disaster. | ||
| And the sequence of events that follows don't work out well for anyone. | ||
| Also, I mean, I'm sorry, too. | ||
| Well, take what he said at face value. | ||
| I mean, even say what Senator Tillis said about, oh, his little, you know, checkered record when it comes to some January 6th defendants. | ||
| Again, you know our position in the war room, we call it the Fedsurrection. | ||
| We think people use the term January 6th or two woke. | ||
| But even granting him that, I don't know about you, but last time I looked around, the state of this country, we need people who are fighters. | ||
| And even if you might have some ideological differences with him on January 6th, Senator Tillis, I would much rather have someone who's willing to throw down and actually understands what accountability means, as opposed to what, some weak Fedsock type who has no No lived reality or lived experience and actually bringing about accountability outside of the confines of, you know, having worked on the hill for several decades, having accomplished virtually nothing. | ||
| So it's just a fundamental mismatch to, I think, of understanding the state of the country, the state of the battle, the war that we are in. | ||
| And, I mean, I guess it's people like Senator Tillis who got us here in the first place. | ||
| No wonder why we have to have an AG Ken Paxton on the show earlier today, not just also supporting Ed Martin, but talking about how wonderful policies that Senator Tillis has allowed to manifest and metastasize in this country leading to the Chinese Communist Party overtaking data, farmland and I guess politicians to maybe maybe we'll need to investigate Senator Tillis on that for a while. | ||
| Mike Howell, you always call it how it... | ||
| And I know last time we were on, we were talking, I believe, about the deportations, where we stand there. | ||
| You mentioned how Judge Boesberg would be the man that would choose Ed Martin's replacement should Senator Tillis want to have, maybe we'll call it his John McCain moment on this vote. | ||
| Where do you think we stand now on the deportation stuff? | ||
| Are you a fan of the $1,000 stipend proposal? | ||
| Yeah, so real quick, just on January 6th, because I know I'm passionate about this. | ||
| People need to understand that is the fulcrum point by which the left weaponized the entire law enforcement apparatus. | ||
| They used January 6th as the justification to go after everything ranging from Catholics, you know, praying at Mass to school board parents. | ||
| That is where the rot stems from. | ||
| It provided them just like a war on terror. | ||
| That was their one event where they said, we can do anything we want after this in the name of January 6th. | ||
| It led to the January 6th committee, etc. | ||
| It was that abuse and that original sin of the weaponization after it. | ||
| Why people receive pardons and the much-needed correction to the system. | ||
| And so I think there's a lot of revisionist history happening by people taking these stands now and trying to relitigate the event that day. | ||
| And it's highly unfortunate, particularly when it's going to threaten what everyone just voted for. | ||
| On mass deportations, I want commas. | ||
| You know, I want numbers in the eight digits. | ||
| That's what we were promised. | ||
| Eisenhower levels, which were 1.3 million, you know, however long ago when there was only a few million illegal aliens in the country. | ||
| That means we need to be in the millions per year. | ||
| And to that end, we're looking at a reconciliation bill which funds about up to a million removals a year. | ||
| So that alone won't get us there. | ||
| And so you got to think. | ||
| How do we add up the other millions that we need? | ||
| And that means every tool needs to be on the table to get people out. | ||
| I think there's a lot more that can be done. | ||
| I think we need to revisit illegal aliens being in public schools. | ||
| I think it's outrageous that we're paying to crowd our classrooms and make our children speak two languages in the school. | ||
| It reminds me of when I went to elementary school. | ||
| We had so much mass immigration, they just rebranded it as Spanish Immersion and pretended it was a good thing that everyone had to speak Spanish all day. | ||
| 14 years and I still can't speak a lick because of the flood of mass illegal immigration. | ||
| So everything all at once, homeward bound. | ||
| That's what I think we should be doing. | ||
| We need to get commas of people out here fast. | ||
| Mike Howell. | ||
| Give us a minute and talk about how you spun off the Oversight Project, which people know I had you on a ton when Steve was in prison, but you, I think, long predate his four-month sentence. | ||
| You guys have always been ahead of the curve. | ||
| We've got about a minute. | ||
| Talk about what you guys are doing now and just how you kind of pivoted off of Heritage. | ||
| Yeah, so we started at Heritage in 2022 because when Kevin Roberts took over, he invigorated the place, and we wanted to sue people, go on offense. | ||
| Launch these massive investigations. | ||
| Well, we need to grow, we need to get out in the States, and we need to be more overtly political and say what needs to be said regardless of, you know. | ||
| So we reorganized ourselves as a 501c4 organization and kind of restructured our bones so that we could be very active in the states and have a more national presence because it is those blue states where everyone's trying out for president as a governor, you know, whether it's Pritzker, Newsom, Westmore here in Maryland, wherever. | ||
| And so we needed to restructure the operation so we can nimbly go after and sue in those areas and then talk about it the right way. | ||
| With the support of Dr. Roberts and Heritage, we basically got a starter amount to get rolling, and we're going to just rock and roll. | ||
| We're going to be doing it. | ||
| We sued Biden 100 times. | ||
| The governors have no idea what's coming. | ||
| We're turning this machinery throughout the country because we think it's a huge missing ingredient in the fight to retake the U.S. Mike Howell, as always, thank you so much for joining us one more time. | ||
| If people want to follow you and stay up to date with everything you're working on, where can they go to do that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the Oversight Project can be found at itsyourgov.org. | ||
| And that's because it's your government is our slogan because I think people forget that it actually is our government and they view the government as like a management company that we just have to tolerate and know they work for us. | ||
| And so that's what we want to remind people of. | ||
| If you want the more PG-13 tweets, follow my personal account at mhaltweets. | ||
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We always keep it PG-13 here, I think, in the war. | |
| Maybe we're on our own grading scale. | ||
| Maybe that's why we're banned on YouTube and Spotify. | ||
| Quite proudly at that. | ||
| Mike Howell, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| We will have you back on soon. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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We will be right back after this short break. | |
| Welcome back to The War Room. | ||
| I'm honored, I think, for the first time to have a great reporter for The Daily Caller, Hudson. | ||
| I should have asked you in the break. | ||
| Crozier, I'm going to hope I got that right. | ||
| Joining us with what is a really wonderful story. | ||
| Warren Posse, you know, we track all the sort of resistance verticals who's funding these groups. | ||
| And though the Democratic Socialists for America might seem like a clown organization, a lot of these protests, they're often listed as sponsoring or co-organizing, in some cases funding them. | ||
| So the meme videos from their organizational conferences or I guess maybe their struggle sessions aside, I don't think this organization is a total joke, at least ideology aside. | ||
| But Hudson, you have a great new piece sort of walking through how a certain mayoral election could potentially lead to maybe a resurgence or a rebirth, not implying that they're totally dead. | ||
| But of the DSA here in the United States, I'd love if you could maybe walk the audience. | ||
| Just give us a little background on what exactly this organization is, but how it intersects with this campaign, potentially infusing it with kind of a new lifeblood on the American political scene. | ||
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Right, so thanks for having me on, Natalie. | |
| Right. | ||
| We've got a very important election coming up in New York City where the DSA is involved. | ||
| A lot of people might know DSA from backing Bernie Sanders for president back in the day, but now they moved on to trying to install their own radical socialist as mayor of New York City. | ||
| His name is Zoran Mamdani. | ||
| And based on the polling, the Democrat primary for New York City mayor is pretty much becoming a two-person race between. | ||
| him and Andrew Cuomo. | ||
| And what you've got is this very interesting generational battle for the Democratic Party going on where Cuomo represents sort of the old guard and Mamdani represents the new, younger, more radical leftist crowd that's... | ||
| Super against Israel and wants all these free programs and is skeptical of police and so on and so forth. | ||
| And so despite the DSA somewhat falling out of relevance in recent years, if they could install somebody as mayor of New York City, that would be a pretty huge deal. | ||
| We refer to ourselves, I think, as a proud home of right-wing populism here in the war room, and I'm just curious your thoughts if you see this as maybe a reflection of sort of the broader metanarrative that's been being pushed out, the idea that these, you know, AOC and Bernie rallies are so widely attended that this more kind of strain of left-wing populism may be taking over that party. | ||
| In other words, is his potential ascent or rise being something that... | ||
| Is, you know, championed or favored by the Democratic establishment, or do you get the sense that this is, you know, sort of something that they want to suppress? | ||
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The establishment, I'm not sure, but the thing about New York City, much like D.C., it's kind of a place where all the political forces you could possibly imagine are converging on each other and fighting each other, and so whatever happens here... | |
| Is probably going to be a trendsetter for what's going to happen across the country. | ||
| And so if DSA makes an example of somebody like Andrew Cuomo by installing someone as radical as Mamdani, it will really give legitimacy to these more... | ||
| Radical socialist factions of the Democratic Party saying, okay, yeah, we should absolutely double down on this stuff. | ||
| There are basically two major schools of thought in the Democratic Party right now since Trump won re-election. | ||
| It's, did we lose because we were too radical and we need to walk back on some things and be more centrist, or did we lose because the Democrat establishment is just incompetent and too milquetoast and we actually need to embrace a newer brand of Or, like you said, the populist left. | ||
| That's what's at stake in this upcoming race. | ||
| And is this the only DSA candidate who's, you know, having their seven minutes of fame right now, like being well-received across other states? | ||
| Are you seeing a similar uptick in not necessarily favorability, but just reception towards their ideas? | ||
| Or do you think this is sort of an isolated incident going on in New York? | ||
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I haven't looked closely enough across the country to be able to tell, but this is definitely the biggest, most high-profile candidate they're endorsing, especially because he's doing so well, I would say defying expectations. | |
| He's, like I said, polling in second place. | ||
| He's raising way more money than all the other candidates. | ||
| Now, to be fair, some of that is because the other candidates are having procedural difficulties with getting their campaign funds. | ||
| But nevertheless, he is defying expectations for sure. | ||
| Defying expectations and probably causing a lot of nightmares among our audience. | ||
| Hudson, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| Really a great piece. | ||
| You do great work. | ||
| If people want to follow you and stay up to date with everything that you're working on, where can they go to do that? | ||
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Yeah, thanks. | |
| I appreciate it. | ||
| You can follow me on x slash Twitter slash whatever. | ||
| Just look up my name, Hudson Crozier. | ||
| That's C-R-O-Z-I-E-R. | ||
| But more importantly, be sure to check out the Daily Caller News Foundation where I'm cranking out stories every day. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| We'll have you back on. | ||
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Thanks a lot. | |
| See you later. | ||
| We are joined now by the one and only Sam Faddis. | ||
| I have to say, every time I host this show from the DC studio, I get like deja vu PTSD to Steve being in prison. | ||
| And I know you were one of my go-to guests, so I am eternally grateful for that. | ||
| But I guess how things have changed, never what I thought I'd be sitting here asking you for your thoughts on what the heck is going on between India and Pakistan. | ||
| It sounds like India is attacking to some extent. | ||
| Can you sort of walk us through the audience? | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| What's going on in that region? | ||
| Yeah, so, in a nutshell, because we could spend the rest of the night talking this issue alone. | ||
| The Indians and the Pakistanis have been fighting over the Kashmir area, the state of Kashmir for, well, since there's been an Indian and Pakistan as independent nations, disputing over. | ||
| Who it should belong to. | ||
| And the Pakistanis have been supporting Islamic terrorist groups that operate in Kashmir and fairly regularly stage attacks against the Indians. | ||
| So there was relatively recently such an attack in Kashmir. | ||
| The Indians are blaming the Pakistanis for it, have, since it occurred, and they are now retaliating, staging what appears to be, as far as I can tell, Airstrikes, but airstrikes with missiles, meaning the Indian aircraft didn't actually enter Pakistani airspace. | ||
| They fired the missiles from their own airspace and hit a variety of targets that seemed to all be, if the Indians are being straight, targets that were connected to Pakistani intelligence and special operations folks. | ||
| In other words, the guys who would have been working with a terrorist group. | ||
| To carry this out. | ||
| On balance, I would say, right now, looks like the Indians have done what they were compelled to do, which was strike back, but they have limited it. | ||
| They're kind of giving the Pakistanis a chance to step off the path to escalation and let it go for the time being. | ||
| We'll see if that works. | ||
| And do you see any room or potential for, whether it's the, you know, eternally warmongering neocon side of things, to advocate for U.S. involvement here? | ||
| Or is this something that you think that will blow over? | ||
| Is it contained? | ||
| Does it not, you know, directly affect us? | ||
| How do you think this plays out from sort of, for lack of a better word, the America First worldview? | ||
| Yeah, well, there's always somebody in Washington who wants us to go to war someplace, right? | ||
| So that's a given. | ||
| They can never get enough of it. | ||
| You notice they never volunteer to go themselves, though. | ||
| Right now, if this plays the way I'm guessing the Indians want it to go, which is, yeah, there'll be a lot of yelling, but this'll die down and be like, let's leave it alone. | ||
| Then I think we'll be fine. | ||
| But the problem, of course, is that... | ||
| That assumes cooler heads than rational thought on both sides in Pakistan and India. | ||
| All it takes is somebody in Pakistan to say, hell no, and do yet another stupid thing and poke the Indians and compel them to ratchet this thing up, and then we're off to the races. | ||
| I mean, with Pakistan and India, the chances for stuff to go sideways, it's always high. | ||
| And I want to pivot to a little more broadly. | ||
| We had Kurt Mills on earlier in the show talking about what was going on in Iran. | ||
| President Trump announcing today that I guess the Houthis no longer want to engage in their attacks because of the... | ||
| We'll see how that plays out. | ||
| But your sort of broader assessment of what you see going on there, we described with Kurt as sort of perhaps the kind of internal factions within the Trump administration, the back and forth between the, you know, forever warmongering, war in Iran, crazy people and those who, even as you sort of saw, you know, I think, and I guess ironically, the Signal group chat, people who are a little more averse to getting involved. | ||
| I guess maybe it's a mere Shimer-esque approach to things. | ||
| But your, your thoughts, What are your thoughts on what we've seen unfolding there? | ||
| Look, I'm hoping that what we're seeing is real and that the president's characterization of it is real. | ||
| And don't misunderstand me. | ||
| I'm not suggesting the president is deliberately misrepresenting something. | ||
| I'm hoping that what I'm saying is I'm hoping that what he's saying the Houthis have told us turns out to be legitimate and the Houthis are serious and they stand behind their assurances. | ||
| Because, yeah, in D.C., there's always somebody saying we should bomb somebody. | ||
| They don't ever have a plan for where exactly that's going to take us or how it's going to resolve it, but they're always fired up for that. | ||
| And we've had way too much of that. | ||
| So assuming the Houthis are for real and they really want to de-escalate this and they've had enough, I'm 100% on board with the let's see where this goes and see if we can't. | ||
| Ratchet this thing down. | ||
| The issue is obvious there, implied by the way I phrased it. | ||
| I mean, are the Houthis for real or not? | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Have they had enough and is this legit? | ||
| And are the Iranians poking them to walk this thing back? | ||
| Or are they just going to catch their breath and then turn around in a couple of days? | ||
| Do something dramatically different. | ||
| We will know, you know, pretty soon. | ||
| It's most definitely worth seeing if we can't deescalate one of these things, right? | ||
| Instead of being in a hurry to start another war. | ||
| And Sam, I'm curious. | ||
| Steve and I were discussing on a show last week, I think it was first reported, I guess coincidentally, in the Washington Post talking about the Trump administration's plans to fire some people from the CIA. | ||
| The number that they gave was about 1,200. | ||
| They said maybe from some other agencies too. | ||
| But if you really read the sort of fine print, it wasn't... | ||
| It wasn't actively firing anyone. | ||
| It was essentially amplifying the speed of people who had already expressed or indicated that they wanted to retire. | ||
| Certainly not, I think, the mass firings or change or cleaning house that maybe some people in our audience certainly believe is necessary. | ||
| I don't think there's just one person there that should be fired is a little wild to me. | ||
| But I'd be curious your thoughts on those numbers, those estimates, what you think is going on on that front. | ||
| Well, as I understand it, we were talking somewhere in the neighborhood of like 1,200 people, and it was more or less like folks retiring early, this kind of thing. | ||
| Do I think we should cut numbers? | ||
| Yeah, I think we should cut numbers. | ||
| Would I like to see the firing targeted more at the specific people we need to get rid of? | ||
| Like DEI hires, folks that were hired who are completely unqualified. | ||
| Not helping the retired guy who leaves six months early, but let's fire the person who never should have been there in the first place. | ||
| Let's fire the folks and we can identify a number of them by name who were involved in efforts to prevent Donald Trump from ever getting in the White House the first time. | ||
| Destabilize his administration the first time. | ||
| And then who worked throughout the Biden administration against him last. | ||
| I personally would like to see, if you will, more targeted firings. | ||
| Let's get rid of the folks who are the problem. | ||
| Not just say we'll get rid of 1,200 people. | ||
| Experience go out the door and keep folks that should have never been there in the first place. | ||
| And last question before I let you go. | ||
| Obviously, the Ukraine mineral deal, that was something that I think the war room posse, Steve and I, were a little, shall we say, cagey about, just because it seems like a nice pretext to opening up the door for forever continued United States involvement, maybe a little more euphemistically than a forever war. | ||
| Sure, it's a more Marshall Plan-esque in the spirit of rebuilding Ukraine, not the United States of America. | ||
| But I'm just curious, your thoughts? | ||
| Well, I think the best way I'd characterize it is that I have the same concerns, right? | ||
| I mean, why we ended up in a war in Ukraine, and I'm not making excuses for Vladimir Putin. | ||
| He's a thug. | ||
| I've never sided with Putin and never will. | ||
| But the point is, it is our policy, the endless expansion of NATO, constantly from Putin's standpoint, us getting closer and closer to Moscow and more and more threatening, again from his worldview, that in my opinion ultimately led to the Ukraine conflict. | ||
| Again, that doesn't justify his invasion of the country. | ||
| That's not where I'm going. | ||
| I'm saying our strategy was very ill-advised, and we should have learned from that, and therefore we should not try to bring this conflict to a close, but be even more entangled and more forward-leaning. | ||
| I mean, any Russian leader in Moscow is going to feel threatened. | ||
| By the idea that the Americans are on his doorstep. | ||
| That's just, that's reality, whether you want to, whether it should be or shouldn't be that way, that's the reality. | ||
| We should have learned that lesson by now. | ||
| A lot of people had to die for us to absorb that lesson. | ||
| Let's not come out of this thing sort of back where we started from. | ||
| Sam Faddis, I always appreciate you taking the time to join us here in the War Room, and I know the audience does as well. | ||
| If people want to stay up to date with everything that you're working on, the books, the writing, the analysis, where can they go to do that? | ||
| Best place to go, go to And Magazine, the magazine, online magazine. | ||
| My wife and I run andmagazine.substack.com, myself, her, and actually a number of other patriots who... | ||
| Used to work in the intelligence community and actually still believe in ethics right there. | ||
| Sam Faddis, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| I am sure we will have you back on soon. | ||
| Thank you, ma 'am. | ||
| Have a good evening. | ||
| And Denver, producer, will you appease me and play one more time my favorite 30-second Tom Tillis clip just for some fun? | ||
| We'll roll it. | ||
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I met with Mr. Martin. | |
| He seems like a good man. | ||
| Most of my concerns related to January 6th. | ||
| I think anybody that breached the perimeter should have been in prison for some period of time. | ||
| Whether it's 30 days or three years is debatable, but I have no tolerance for anybody who entered the building on January 6th, and that's probably where most of the friction was. | ||
| If Mr. Martin were being put forth as a U.S. attorney for any district except the district where January 6th happened, the protest happened, I'd probably support him. | ||
| Really, Senator Tillis, you have, quote, no tolerance for anyone who entered the, what was it, wide open door building on January 6th. | ||
| Well, that's quite funny because you were one of the primary authors of the bill that would have allowed for people who entered this country illegally to be granted, that's right, citizenship and amnesty. | ||
| That bipartisan border bill that we've all heard so much about. | ||
| Yeah, the one that, what was it, that also let 5,000 people in a day? | ||
| Because that sounds really secure. | ||
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You are such a joke. | |
| I mean, there's literally no other way to put it. | ||
| The one issue that you will nitpick with Ed Martin, the reason why you cannot bring yourself to vote for him, Is because of a couple hundred cases that happened years ago. | ||
| Now, make no mistake, that burns in our memory every night here in the war room. | ||
| But that is enough for you to not vote to confirm and hand over that position to someone who will be pointed by the radical, pro-illegal alien, I guess maybe you have that in common, Judge Boesberg, totally kneecapped the Trump agenda. | ||
| You are okay with turning that over because you find it slightly debatable. | ||
| I love that word. | ||
| If you haven't told, I've really fixed on that one. | ||
| Slightly debatable. | ||
| It is such an interesting, tacit admission, if not outright Freudian slip, I'm aware that is oxymoronic, that you didn't find anything debatable about Merrick Garland, Gina Raimondo, Lloyd Austin, Janet Yellen, Matthew frickin' Graves. | ||
| There was nothing debatable on their record. | ||
| Or you can shill for Zelensky on the Senate floor. | ||
| You can overlook the fact that he's attacked Christians, laundered a ton of money, stolen your constituents' taxpayer dollars, and freaking canceled elections. | ||
| But you think that you're going to demand that the American people thank him? | ||
| All of this to say that it's purely performative, his gripe with Ed Martin being some random January 6th cases. | ||
| And I think Mike Benz laid out a very interesting case, and I think my case in terms of following the money, all of that conjoined. | ||
| It leaves a lot of room for questioning. | ||
| Senator Tillis, enjoy feeling like the smart one at the cocktail parties. | ||
| MAGA wants nothing to do with you. | ||
| In fact, I think you were actually censored by the North Carolina GOP not too long ago. | ||
| Though that was for your votes on gay marriage, the wall, and a separate illegal alien amnesty bill. | ||
| It sounds like history repeats itself. | ||
| Don't worry, there will be a lot more where that came from on Senator Tillis. | ||
| I'm sure Steve will pick up the mantle on tomorrow morning's show. | ||
| But until then, make sure you're checking out birchgold.com slash bannon or texting. | ||
| Bannon to 989898. | ||
| If it's people like Senator Tillis who are helming the global financial markets, and those are some of his biggest donors, if they don't want investigations into what's been going on in D.C. I don't know. | ||
| Maybe that's why gold has always been a hedge against these, as Ben Harnwell would say, sociopathic overlords. | ||
| And I'm being nice in my characterization. | ||
| I will leave it at that. | ||
| Thank you, Warren Posse. |
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