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April 28, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4444: Canadian elections Kick Off Today; Trump Numbers Polling Like Obama
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dave brat
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mark mitchell
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steve bannon
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jonathan lemire
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tom homan
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viva frei
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jake tapper
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marco rubio
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mike johnson
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will cain
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jonathan lemire
The ABC News Washington Post poll finds that Trump's economic approval stands at 39% versus 61% who disapprove.
Just two months ago, before announcing his wide-ranging tariff plan, 45% had approved with 53% disapproving.
That's a real drop.
The latest AP NORC poll finds Trump 24 points underwater on the issue of the economy, while the latest New York Times Siena College poll finds Trump 12 points underwater on that issue.
The poll also finds that Trump's pursuit of widespread tariffs opposed by 55% of voters and 63% of independents.
unidentified
Gaze, if you look at this right here, if you look at some of the issues, what is fueling this right now, it shows it's really across the board right now.
And if you look at where he was in mid-February and you look where he is right now, he is underwater on every issue from a minimum of 3 percentage points to a maximum of 9 percentage points.
Specifically when it comes to inflation and the economy, as you point out, which is supposed to be his expertise at this point.
What is also interesting just overall too, Sarah, is that he is down seven points from late February, as we note him being an all-time low.
That is an amazing drop in such a short period.
So Donald Trump right now is having to deal with some of this, some of the fallout with the reality that many of his programs that he's trying to institute and many of his cuts that he's trying to institute are just not taking hold.
will cain
One thing that was not on the screen that has been rumored that I have to ask you about is should the American people expect an increase in the top marginal tax rate?
There have been some reports out there that the Trump administration is looking at pushing the top For those making over a million dollars, back up towards 39-40%.
Is that something that we should expect from a Republican bill?
mike johnson
I would not expect that.
We have been working against that idea.
I'm not in favor of raising the tax rates because our party is the group that stands against that traditionally.
So there were lots of ideas thrown out on the table along this process over the last year.
But I would just say for everybody, just wait and see.
There's more details coming, and I think you're going to be very pleased by what you see.
I don't think we're raising taxes on anybody.
What we're trying to do is prevent the largest tax increase in U.S. history.
jonathan lemire
Before we let you go, we want to get your reaction to something that just occurred.
The White House has put up about 100 posters of what they say are unauthorized immigrants who have been arrested for violent crimes.
You can see them there.
They put them up on the driveway of the White House.
If you look here, that's the West Wing just at the forefront, the executive mansion itself to the left.
But what's particularly noteworthy about this location is it is right directly behind the positions where TV correspondents do their hits from the White House launch.
So therefore, no matter what network you're on, that includes MSNBC, if you're doing a hit from the White House right now, those pictures will be behind you.
The White House doing a briefing in about a half hour about what they're doing here.
Maria, your response to this image.
unidentified
So I have to say, one of the biggest challenges that we have with the deportations that we know of so far, for example, with Kilmer Abrego-Garcia, we don't know if they've had due process.
We don't know if, in fact, these individuals do have a rap sheet.
So I would encourage those individuals that have that as a backshot to blur those people out.
The job of journalism is to ensure that we are presenting the facts.
That we are cross-referencing.
We know that PoliFact actually checked the Trump administration because of an earlier picture that they released on Kilmer, recognizing that it was altered, that it was false, that they placed gang signs, tattoos on him that weren't real.
And so I would really, the press right now, we are absolutely under attack.
Our job is always to have our true north.
To make sure that we're presenting balanced news and making sure that we are not putting folks that are potentially in danger.
And having that representation of those pictures in the background, we can't allow that.
Basically, for us to carry the water of potentially innocent people.
So I would encourage, I recognize lab shots are tough, but I would encourage folks to actually make sure that those shots are blurred to the best of your abilities.
tom homan
Well, first of all, how many illegal aliens, I think, are in the United States?
At least 20 million.
Where'd you count that number?
We've been speaking about 12 million for 20 years!
We know we got 10.5 that we know of came to the border.
How many don't we know of?
I talk about known gotaways at 2 million.
How many unknown gotaways do we have?
Like between the big bend sector in Texas where there's no technology.
How many thousand people dig across from there?
We wouldn't know.
We would know now.
But, you know, so I would venture over 20 million.
But your question is, last count, last I looked, there was about 700,000 illegal aliens with criminal charges walking the streets of this country.
700,000.
And that's what we're looking for now.
That's what we're prioritizing.
Them and national security threats.
The registration requirements under 8 U.S.C.
1302, if you're an illegal alien in the United States, this message is for you.
You cannot hide from ICE.
We're actively looking for you.
Federal law requires every alien in the United States who has been present in the United States more than 30 days needs to register.
For those 14 years or older, you need to be fingerprinted with the Department of Homeland Security.
Brotherhood law requires every alien in the United States to tell DHS in writing if you have a change in address within 10 days of changing that address.
Failing to register with DHS and fairy to tell DHS about your new address are criminal offenses and they will be treated as such.
Starting today.
Make no mistake, if you're in the country illegally and you fail to do what the law requires, we will prosecute you, you will go to jail, then we'll deport you.
Second law, penalties for failure to depart.
8 U.S.C.
1253.
If you're an alien inside the United States who has a final order, this message is for you.
If you have a final order, the Trump administration is committed to enforcing our immigration laws, especially for those aliens who have received final orders of deportation.
There are currently around 1.4 million illegal aliens who have been ordered removed but remain here in violation of the law.
We will aggressively prosecute, consistent with long-standing law.
Those aliens for failing or refusing to depart or who takes other related actions aimed at hindering their removal.
You cannot open the door.
You cannot answer questions.
You cannot open your car door.
You consider to evade law enforcement.
If you fail to leave the United States after receiving a removal order, we can and will issue monetary fines up to $998 a day.
Evading your arrest, knowing you have a final order of removal, is a criminal offense.
We will prosecute, then we'll deport you.
Get your affairs in order.
If you're in the country illegally, work with ICE.
Go to CBP1 on the home app and leave on your own.
Because we have to find you, deport you, and prosecute you.
You'll have a bar placed under you, and you won't come back to this country.
You won't be able to come back on a visitor's visa, a tourist visa.
If you have a U.S. citizen child, can't petition for you.
If you're in this country, get your affairs in order and work with us and get yourself removed from this country.
That's what the law requires, and we're going to enforce that law.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Monday, 28 April, year of early 2025.
How does the president start off the week of his 100 days?
He has Tom Homan do a presser.
Caroline Levitt and Tom Homan start at 8:30 this morning with a double-barrel shotgun blast.
Dave Brat's riding shotgun of the day.
I'd love for the first hour, Harnwell for second hour.
Brat, I love Tom Homan.
Get your affairs in order, right?
Because you're leaving the yard.
They throw down Hart.
This is where presidents already stopped the invasion of the country.
Now it's time to reverse it.
Holman says, hey, there's 20 million.
We're just focused on the 10 million that are here under Biden.
Let's get that done first.
But Holman, I think, is focused in.
And they've got the want ads.
They've got the wanted.
I think 100 or 200 signs in the back of the mainstream media.
So they can't avoid it.
They've got to talk about it.
Right?
Up in your grill.
Happy White House Correspondents Weekend to you.
dave brat
It's a beautiful thing.
The rule of law is just what it says.
And we've just got, you know, the press, the mainstream media always talks about inclusivity, caring about everyone.
The Pope over the weekend, inclusivity for all the voices.
The only voice, though, that's not been listened to is the American people.
steve bannon
Oh, slow down.
The Pope inclusivity?
What are you talking about?
dave brat
Oh, the mainstream media.
steve bannon
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Inclusivity, yeah.
Another mainstream media propagand a lot, yes.
dave brat
They put him forward as Mr. Inclusivity.
The Vatican's got walls.
But his remark.
And even in his funeral, the Vatican couldn't resist putting in a mark about borders versus building bridges.
steve bannon
No, in the homily, they took a shot right at the prison.
dave brat
Trump's building bridges to the rest of the world.
He's going to end up saving Europe from itself.
He's going to save the world.
He's going to save this country.
He's going to save the American worker through manufacturing.
And there's no competing plan.
The mainstream media is just...
They're continually deconstructing everything.
They're incapable of constructing a positive vision.
And so, Holman, thank God we got a few patriots left.
You follow the law.
And these judges, these court cases coming up.
Trump was funny the other day on the news.
He said...
I think this is going to be kind of like another men in the women's locker room issue.
steve bannon
Oh, 100%.
dave brat
Lock them up.
steve bannon
A judge sitting there letting an illegal alien go and the FBI is out in the lobby.
She knows it.
Let's go.
Lock her up.
dave brat
And we got a Democrat congressman who was a friend of mine when I was in.
He's one boy.
He said, I don't think this is the guy to go save, right?
steve bannon
No, no, no.
The guy's a human trafficker.
John Solomon and Michael Patrick Leahy.
In the team, Benzman have proven he's a human trafficker.
But it's emblematic of what they want to do.
We're pretty packed today.
I want to talk about Canada.
I've got Viva Frye here.
Also, Mark Mitchell saying this polling is a PSYOP.
Also, yesterday, in Freed Zakhar's GPS, the show on Saturday, he had Zandi.
Zandi's the...
Head of The Economist.
She was on.
But it also had Ray Dalio.
And Dalio kept talking.
They would ask Zannie, she would give all this kind of, you know, Trump's this, trade this, all this kind of superficial.
Ray Dalio, who I'm no fan of, and he's no fan of War Room, he would come back with pure War Room, this model's unsustainable, you're spending two trillion, every hundred days, another trillion dollars.
Freed Zakhar could not wait to cut this guy's mic off.
It's pretty amazing.
We'll see it.
Okay, let's go to...
We have an open for Viva Frye on Canada.
Let's play...
Today's election day in what they used to call the Great White North, the old TV show, the old comedy show.
Let's go ahead and play Viva Frye's open.
unidentified
Have you taken any steps to carry out President Trump's plans as he has said he would like to annex Canada?
Have you taken any steps in that direction?
marco rubio
No, I think what the president has said, and he has said this repeatedly, is he was told by the previous prime minister that Canada could not survive without unfair trade with the United States.
At which point, he asked, well, if you can't survive as a nation without treating us unfairly in trade, then you should become a state.
That's what he said.
They'll have their elections this week.
they're going to have their new leader and we'll deal with a new leadership of Canada.
There are many things we work with cooperatively on Canada on, but we actually don't like the way they've treated us when it comes to trade.
And the president has made that point when he responded to the previous prime minister in regards to this.
unidentified
So does the president just
the U.S. still want to make Canada the 51st state?
marco rubio
I think the president has stated repeatedly he thinks Canada would be better off as a state.
jonathan lemire
Now, it's unclear if former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau actually ever made that statement to Trump that Rubio claims, but the current Prime Minister, Mark
Well, he's pushed back on the idea of the United States ever taking over Canada, saying in a recent press conference, Okay,
steve bannon
Viva Frye.
Viva, just give me a heads up because we've got to go to break right here, right?
I got that clock right?
Okay, I just want to make sure.
Viva, you hang on.
We're going to talk about Canada.
And we're going to talk about if the quote-unquote populace had gone more Trump, we would have a better outlook on today.
A little cloudy up there in Canada.
Carney, I can't believe you're going to elect that Goldman Sachs guy.
Who elects Goldman Sachs guys in this day and age?
Short commercial break.
Viva Frye on the other side.
unidentified
So I suggest you take a look inside Cause I think you've changed already You went and lost your pride But I'm American making Jonathan in the greater
Toronto area.
And first of all, if you've talked to Canadians or gone to Canada since Donald Trump took over...
You know this.
They are stung.
They feel betrayed about the treatment, not just the tariffs, but the talk of annexation, because they're obviously a sovereign country.
They can't understand why they're a best friend to the South, a place where they travel to, and any Canadian with like five bucks in the bank has a condo in Florida or Arizona, and they can't understand for the life of them why they're being treated like this now.
Politically speaking, this has gone from a sure thing for the conservative party to take back power for the first time in a decade to a certainly tilt liberal race almost entirely because of Donald Trump.
Here's why.
The conservative standard bearer is in a jam.
A third of conservative Canadians kind of like Donald Trump.
Most of the country can't stand him.
But the conservative is squeezed between the conservative base of his party, especially out west in the western provinces, who do like Trump, and the rest of the country who hates Trump.
So he can't criticize Trump directly, like you saw Mark Carney, the liberal, did there, and sort of put the conservative in a vice.
And then secondly, Jonathan, what's fascinating about this race is...
steve bannon
We're a Bob and Doug McKenzie when you need them, right?
The famous duo of the Great White North.
Viva Frye.
Tell me what's going on up there because I tell you, if Carney does happen to pull this out, the progressives are going to use this as the flag they plant to say, okay, this is the international.
The Americans, the Democrats are too screwed up.
The progressive movement here is too far gone.
But the international liberal order, We'll come to the rescue to save the world.
They'll start in Canada, and you'll start to see the big universities overseas backing Harvard and the Ivies.
This will lead to institutional support.
So this is what they're going to consider their rally point will be today.
Your thoughts, sir, why have the quote-unquote populist not really run as a fire-breathing populist?
Is Canada just too nice?
You just got to be too nice up there, sir?
viva frei
Well, that analysis was pretty on point in that there's a substantial base of the Conservatives up in Canada who do like Trump or don't have a problem with him, but there's a substantial portion that...
Are as brainwashed as the liberals as relates to Trump.
And so Pierre, he had a fine line to walk, but it's a line that I don't think he had to walk in the first place because he could have just stayed silent on Trump and leveled all of his attacks and blame against the liberals in terms of blaming whatever Trump tariffs and threats of annexation Trump was issuing.
Blame it on the liberals because it was a result of 10 years of failed liberal policy.
I don't think this will start a cascade of liberalism or the liberal world order worldwide.
I do think Canada is something of an anomaly in their opposition to or reluctance to embrace populism.
We see populism thriving in Europe, albeit it's struggling, but it's thriving.
In Romania, South America, Brazil, we see it.
My level of being flabbergasted is how much resistance there is to the populist movement in Canada.
And I think it has to do with having a media that is totally corrupt and totally captured by the government.
That basically acts as their watchdogs and their lapdogs and not their watchdogs.
And so you have the media convincing everybody in Canada that their woes are the result of three months of tariff threats and discussion of annexation and not a decade of liberal devastation.
And Pierre fumbled the ball in terms of making sure Canadians understood where that blame should lie.
But we'll see today.
If the Liberals win, let alone a minority, but I say, heaven forbid, a majority government, if they win a majority government, I do predict that it's going to lead to the breakup of Canada, not a liberalist new world order.
It's going to lead to Alberta moving to secede from Canada.
Because you've got a bunch of liberal, environmental, panicking, anti-science nutbags who are exploiting Alberta for its resources while crippling Alberta's ability to exploit its resources, stealing their money, spreading it throughout Canada to the have-not provinces.
And Alberta's going to say, we've had enough of this.
Quebec and Ontario dictating the politics of the land and exploiting us while crippling us.
So I think it'll lead to the breakup of Canada if the Liberals get a majority.
But I'm still mildly optimistic that Pierre can eke out a minority Conservative government and one can only hope he manages to get a majority Conservative government.
But that's looking very, very unlikely.
steve bannon
Okay, as we go through the day, we'll try to get you back on it.
What should we be looking for?
What are going to be the tells?
Because right there, a liberal majority government, you said, leads to a breakup of Canada and Alberta with all its resources and kind of, I would say, cowboy culture.
I take it to become independent or maybe even associate with the United States of America?
viva frei
Oh, the move to secede?
Like, hey, if Canada finds the 51st state offensive, Albertans certainly don't.
And so whether or not they secede, it leads to Quebec seceding.
Quebec tried twice under ordinary circumstances.
It'll lead to the breakup balkanization of Canada.
But what to look for today?
We've just got to wait until the results trickle in.
And the East typically goes liberal.
If it goes less liberal, then we'll be more optimistic for the rest of Canada.
It's just wild that after a decade of literal devastation, everything is worse in Canada, regardless of how you want to frame it.
After a decade of this, three liberal governments...
People in Canada are sufficiently propagandized and ignorant and politically amnesiac that they're going to vote for the Liberals a fourth time.
It's enraging as far as I'm concerned watching it transpire from down here, and I don't understand what it takes to wake up Canadians to the fact that it's the Liberals and not Trump that is the source of their problems.
steve bannon
Viva, how can people follow you today?
What's your social media?
And we'll get you back on to see.
What's your social media that people follow you during the day?
viva frei
So Viva Frye on Rumble, and I'll be live.
I got my daily lineup on Rumble at 4 o 'clock.
I'll be live streaming the results tonight, and Viva Frye on Twitter, and vivabarneslaw.locals.com is our locals community.
So I'll be live all day.
I'm tweeting my needles at the liberals.
You know, elbows up.
It's really funny when you're being held up at gunpoint because crime in Canada is at basically a decade high because of liberal policies.
Gun violence is at a high.
Despite all of the gun laws that the liberals have implemented on law-abiding citizens.
So, elbows up, Canadians.
Go vote for the liberals.
You're abusers yet again.
steve bannon
Elbows up.
Viva Fried, thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
Fourth time.
Think about that.
They'll vote him in for a fourth time.
The Trump derangement syndrome north of the border is something to behold.
When he got Castro's son, he's been there and destroyed the country.
unidentified
Although...
steve bannon
Not so sure that the populace ran a fire-breathing campaign.
You should have had those conservatives sitting there saying, hey, look, this is not Trump's problem.
This is not Trump's fault.
So Mark Mitchell, Rasmus, you're known as the person that can poll MAGA and one of the best analytic people following the president and his everything associated with the MAGA movement.
All I hear all weekend in a drudge and everywhere is polls, the lowest in 100 years, the lowest in human history, 39%, 41%, 40%.
Every issue, immigration, right, which he closed, he basically sealed the border in 60 days, on immigration, on economy, on everything.
This awful, upside down, 70-30 against, 60-40 against.
viva frei
Although...
steve bannon
All those issues still seem to be pretty popular with the people in the United States.
What say you, sir?
mark mitchell
You know that meme with the cat in the tinfoil hat?
Every day I wake up and there's another psyop.
That's exactly what's happening right now.
They have nothing else.
They have no political power, and so all they have is to just rail against Trump.
And after the election, I had an honest question about, well, maybe they'll finally put...
Getting into the black ahead of propaganda.
And it looks like they haven't.
And it's because they're shills for the establishment and they're going to continue to shill for the establishment.
But you're spot on.
The reason Trump got elected is because his policies were more popular than he was, overwhelmingly so.
And we've measured it so many different ways, but I have a new fresh one to read to you here.
Do you agree or disagree with this statement?
You can't just free the criminals and think crime is going to go down magically.
You have to imprison criminals so you can liberate 350 million Americans that are asking for the end of crime and the end of terrorism.
That's Naive Bukele, quote, 66 percent of U.S. likely voters agree, 43 percent strongly.
Only 20% disagree.
Only 9% strongly disagree.
So Americans overwhelmingly see what's happening on the news.
They're like, oh, sweet.
Illegal aliens are getting deported.
And so all they have to do is try to undermine this guy's approval rating.
But it's not going to work after Biden.
And we poll every night.
I think we're the ones that people should pay attention to because we've done more approval polling than any other pollster.
And we've been pretty good as far as elections go, too.
I mean, we've disproven this whole.
And if you look at the polling, you know, take the first six months of Obama and set that aside, right?
Because something different was going on there, the great financial collapse, recovery, and a whole bunch of cultural zeitgeist.
If you set that aside, in our numbers, Trump pretty much polls like Obama did.
And Biden does not.
He's like four or five points on average lower than everybody else.
And I'll tell you what, our Biden approval is higher than everybody else.
So here's the thing.
Two or three years ago, everybody would be like, oh, look at Quinnipiac.
They have Biden approval at a 33 percent.
Well, no, Biden approval wasn't at 33 percent.
Quinnipiac just sucks.
So don't quote him now if you're trying to do a story about Trump approval.
Trump came in north of 50. He's at 47 percent underwater five right now.
The RealClearPolitics aggregates underwater seven.
So about two points to the left of me where it should be.
And that's what happens.
That's what happens to presidents.
They have a honeymoon.
It goes away.
Trump's going to probably hang around 50 percent.
But it's like, OK, well, let's focus on the economic issues.
And voters overwhelmingly say, no, the economy isn't about the stock market.
It's about jobs by almost a four to one margin.
They actually rate him.
Pretty good.
We asked in the middle of the stock market crisis, and Donald Trump pulled out a 44% excellent or good as a rating on the issue of the economy and also tradies in the 40s, too.
Those are higher than any issue ever in all of our polling that Biden was rated on.
It just was.
His best issue is national security.
Trump's worst issue blows Biden out of the water.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
I want to keep you around Dave Brenner.
Going to have some repartee and some questions for you.
This is quite important.
The best pollster of the MAGA movement and Trump.
What's so bad about saying you lean right?
Don't you lean right?
Mark?
There's worse things to be said.
Short commercial break.
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Stock markets made it all back, I think.
dave brat
And up.
steve bannon
And up.
And maybe a tad up.
Suck on that, CNBC.
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Do you buy Mark Mitchell's thesis?
Not that they're the best pollster, but the fact that this is essentially a psy-op.
Because it's come out in unison.
It's hitting wave after wave after wave.
Trump's unpopular.
Although the issues and the job he's done on some of the...
Remember, Lankford had a bill in front of us two years ago.
You sat right here and we went through it.
It would take us a decade.
We spent another $100 billion to do what Trump did.
In 60 days.
Seal the border, right?
And now you got Tom homing up there today saying, "Hey, get your affairs in order."
Because if you're still here and we track you down, it's gonna be a criminal penalty.
dave brat
Yeah, it's a PSYOP.
It's what's covered and what's not covered.
Can you imagine if the mainstream media went after the cell phone records of every Democratic politician and every secretary under President Biden and tracked them on national defense issues?
They were working against the country on national defense issues.
Our guys are all patriots and Cub Scouts doing good.
Here and there, you make a technical mistake or whatever.
But what's covered versus what's not covered?
I looked up a few stats with the Canada news.
They won't cover any of this.
Canada's government is a percentage of GDP.
They have a huge government.
Canada is 43%.
Their government is 43% of their GDP, of their economy.
The U.K. is the same.
That's why they're tanking.
The U.S. is 37. Nothing to be proud of.
steve bannon
We're tanking too.
dave brat
You can't be at 37. And in Christian, only 53% in Canada.
U.S. is still at 67. I think it's a hair higher than that.
But those are also correlated.
And so we saw with the Pope, no one's in the pews in Europe, and their economies are tanking.
I ran regressions on this stuff 35 years ago when you weren't allowed to publish that.
You couldn't say anything in mainstream academia about religion, and you still can't.
And that's why Harvard and Yale and Columbia and all these are under fire.
They don't pursue truth anymore.
The mainstream media says that in the open clip, the role of the media is to tell the truth.
You tell everything except the truth, right?
Just these basic stats I looked up in five minutes, the mainstream reporters can't seem to find any of them.
And so, yeah, Mark Mitchell, he's always solid.
He gives the numbers.
We need to do more of that, and so congratulations to Rasmussen.
steve bannon
So, Mark, just lay out the thesis once again.
With people being bombarded this weekend and this morning, and you're going to see it all the way through, Trump is going to go to Michigan for a rally.
We're going to do special coverage here in the war room.
Eric Bolling will be in studio.
We're going to do a special, like, four hours.
Eric Bolling, myself.
Brian Glenn will be on Air Force One with the president, and the great Steve Gruber will be up in Michigan because he's the Rush Limbaugh of Michigan.
He'll be up there hosting.
All day, Mitchell, they're going to be bombarding us on the 100th day that Trump is the most unpopular president in 100 years.
mark mitchell
Yeah, I'd like to back up what I've been saying with a little bit of evidence.
So don't just take it from me that there's a psychological operation going on.
I will say, if you look at the RealClearPolitics aggregate right now, just in the last two days, a whole lot of polls dropped, and they all look the same.
Reuters, Ipsos, negative 11. Fox News, negative 11. CBS, negative 10. CNN, negative 14. New York Times, who's been missing in action, negative 12. And ABC News, Washington Post, negative 13. They all dropped double-digit underwater polls for Donald Trump within a few days of each other.
And it's all these people that haven't been polling that much.
They did it for the 100 days.
But then go to Google Trends, which is one of my favorite tools, and look at all of the search history going all the way back for the terms Trump approval, Biden approval, Bush approval, and Obama approval.
And what you'll see...
Is that for some reason there's something different about Donald Trump.
For some reason, Trump approval drives way more, way more organic search volume than any of those other presidents, which is totally crazy considering how popular Obama ostensibly was.
And what you see this April, it looks like it's going to be the second highest month of all of Google polling history or Google's data history of searches for Trump approval.
So that's how I know it's a psyop.
People are getting these stories shoved down their throats.
They're going on Google.
They're trying to check it out themselves.
The mainstream media is going to information gatekeep and shove a Quinnipiac poll in their face that says negative 12. These guys were all between seven and nine points left of me in September.
And this is the exact same thing they were doing back then, trying to use the TikTok videos and Kamala Harris's debate performance to create a fake lead.
But I have one other thing I want to bring up and look at.
Everybody focuses on Trump approval, and what we've been focusing on is how highly approved of his policies are.
But if you look at the electoral math, if you take turnout as a percent of voting eligible population or voting age population, depending on what data is available, and then you take each president their share of the national popular
vote that they won and then stack rank them based on how many, what percent of Americans that president got to vote for.
Where does that stack up higher than JFK, George W. Bush to Obama to Reagan?
One FDR.
Number four, Bush, H.W. Bush Carter.
Trump won.
Nixon won.
George W. Bush won.
George W. Bush won was at 26%.
Donald Trump's got 32%.
steve bannon
Hang on.
unidentified
Hang on.
steve bannon
Walk me through that formula again.
It's early in the Monday morning, and I'm only halfway through my—I had a tough weekend.
It was a little under the weather, and I'm still going through my Warpath coffee.
Give me that—don't hit me with that, Mitchell.
The early morning.
Give it to me again.
mark mitchell
Well, it's like, okay, do people like Trump or not?
They saw him first time around and they got a chance to vote for him again, right?
And you take how many people turned out, like actual voters, and then you take the national popular vote.
So it's like, okay, of the voters that turned out, how much did that winner get?
And Trump 2.0 got way more than Trump 1.0, 32% compared to 28%.
He improved massively.
And his electoral performance was better than like pretty much.
Everybody except for like really – Trump 2.0 was only beaten by FDR number three, Reagan number two, Obama one.
But again, we all know craziness that was going on there.
And then Biden with that really huge asterisk about the highest turnout ever in the history of American elections, right?
There's that.
But my point is that the heat went up a lot.
steve bannon
The eight million votes have never showed – the eight million votes have never showed back up since then, right?
unidentified
Where'd they go, right?
mark mitchell
So Obama went from 33 down to under 30. Donald Trump went from 27.7 up to 32. Donald Trump's first time in office and the four years of Biden convinced way more people to vote for Donald Trump.
And listen, we're only a few months into this second term.
The election was barely six months ago.
And so you're just not going to – like that's not what's happened.
Millions of people did not change their mind about Donald Trump.
It's all a media circus.
It's all cherry-picked stuff in order to drive a narrative.
It's probably coming from the top down still is my guess.
I'd love to see the talking points that are still being distributed to the news.
But here we are until somebody – until something pops off, right, until there's a violent riot.
Or until some state decides to get uppity with the feds, this is what they have.
It's like the mean girls tactic.
They're just going to try for months and months to convince everybody that Donald Trump's not cool enough.
But Americans can't put food on the table.
dave brat
Yeah.
Hey, Mark, I got a quick one for you, too.
I saw the consumer sentiment index.
Republicans, 92 percent.
Democrats, 35 percent on consumer sentiment.
Can you break that down for us just a hair?
Because that seems more like a political sentiment.
The economics is missing, right?
There's no way you're going to have Republicans with consumer expenditures or anything correlated at 92% with Democrats at 32%.
So are all these variables just being conflated with political variables and Trump derangement syndrome?
mark mitchell
I mean, there's so many different ways to measure that, but the Republican Party and Trump supporters are all in on this, right?
And so there's an aspect of optimism.
Their numbers definitely ticked up a lot, and I think it's this idea that overwhelmingly Republicans say that the economy is jobs, and Democrats are a lot less likely to say that.
But then there's just the fact that, like, you can call it chaos, but we polled, we asked this specific question.
Is this what you voted for?
And it was like a week or two ago.
80% of Trump voters say, yeah.
Like, yes, this is what I voted for.
And so there's a bunch of different ways to measure it.
But remember, we asked that, is this going to be a golden age?
And Republicans overwhelmingly agreed.
dave brat
Yeah, good.
And this is a little tongue-in-cheek, but I just looked up the S&P 500 is up 8% for the past year.
Not year-to-date, but for the past year.
And it's up 23% over the past three years.
Might be 28%.
Have you ever asked a question, just to see if people know what's going on, is the stock market up over 5% this year?
And just see what they say, right?
Because if you read the mainstream media, there's just this over, you know, it's the Great Depression.
They're leading this narrative that's just so horrifically wrong.
steve bannon
But I think the general public think the stock market is just a casino.
dave brat
Yeah, that's true.
steve bannon
A casino.
I don't think they feel it relates to their price.
And most of it doesn't.
Most of it, you know, an equity market, so you have lower cost of capital equity to build businesses and to reinvest.
But the stock market is past that.
These stocks trade.
It's a casino mentality, whether it's Tesla at $800 billion or the Mag-7, you know, the AI companies that trade.
And so the first time you hit a speed bump, I think most people think it's a casino.
So it's not a question that – because I think most people just don't pay attention to it because it doesn't impact their daily lives.
Mark Mitchell, one last time before you bounce.
mark mitchell
I got the perfect goal for this.
Go ahead.
steve bannon
Yeah, go ahead.
mark mitchell
No, I mean, well, first off, we know the S&P is driven by like seven or eight stocks.
It's not a real accurate measure.
And I think the problem is, is that Americans don't trust the government, and they certainly don't trust the government to measure things.
Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics admitted that it previously overestimated the number of new jobs created in the past year, which is more likely that it was an honest mistake or that it was politically motivated.
Only 34% say honest mistake.
53% say politically motivated.
So I think the issue is they don't really trust anything out of the media.
dave brat
Yeah.
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
Mark Mitchell, where do people go to get all this brain analysis on this whole thing's been a sigh up, and you've got the numbers to back it up.
Where do they go?
mark mitchell
Yeah, Twitter, Rasmussen underscore poll, and my account is HonestPollster, and we also stream most Monday, Wednesday, and Friday nights, usually at 9 p.m. Eastern on Twitter, YouTube, Rumble, Getter even, and so I hope to see everybody there.
steve bannon
Perfect.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you.
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Talk about a leader.
4 p.m. today.
Just came across the wire.
He is sitting down with the House and the Senate to start banging heads on the big, beautiful bill.
It's going to start today at 4 with our old contributor.
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It reflects what Zannie was saying and says that all of this produces huge risks.
We expect a policy-induced slowdown, including a probability of a recession.
The Fed is going to be less able to handle this, and so there are risks of stagflation, the combination of slow growth and inflation.
U.S. corporates are under threat.
There's exceptional risk to U.S. assets.
Would you agree with that?
By and large, I agree with that.
I don't think it covers what's going on, so let me just clarify.
We have a problem with the debt.
We have a problem with internal order, democracy as we know it, the system.
We have a problem of a geopolitical order, rising power, challenging an existing power in that global environment.
These things exist as the backdrop of this set of circumstances.
Now there's been volatility.
Yes, in my opinion.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is you seem to be reluctant to comment directly.
No, I'll comment directly.
What are the effects of the Trump administration's policies in the last hundred days economically?
The effects of those policies economically is to bring to the surface issues about the polarity that exists.
And at the same time, it's doing it in a volatile way that is causing trouble in terms of the volatility of that.
So it is dealing with problems.
And at the same time, the way it is dealing with problems could be done more smoothly, more cooperatively, to produce a less volatile result.
Zani, let me ask you, you said we're still, let me ask you about something you know a lot about, because right now, the deadlock, the most important deadlock, is a U.S.-China deadlock, where in order to get the world economy to a more stable place, and you wrote this in your post about a beautiful rebalancing between the U.S. and China,
you need the two sides to start talking.
The U.S. says they were waiting for China to call.
The Chinese say the U.S. started this.
You put these tariffs on.
First, the U.S. has to reduce the tariffs.
Then we're willing to talk.
How is this going to resolve itself?
My sense is the Chinese are holding pretty firm.
The United States has too much debt.
It cannot add to the debt the way it is operating.
It is the world's biggest consumer, largely financed by government debt in the way that it's operating.
China's the biggest producer.
They produce a lot of goods, more than the United States, Japan, and Germany combined, in manufactured goods, and they put it out, and they save too much, and they buy the dollars.
We cannot continue this debt-money problem.
We're at the end of a debt-money world order.
So how are we going to get the negotiation?
It is only through...
Cooperation, calmness, and analytical work in which we recognize that these imbalances are unsustainable.
They're not just financially unsustainable.
In a world that is near war, that there could be, there cannot be mutual dependencies.
And so how that is done together is the most important thing.
Okay. Let me, Danny, ask you about another thing that I want.
steve bannon
Womp, womp, freed the car, got a big smelly.
You know what?
Right on his head.
Trying to do that little maneuver he does.
Okay.
Ray Dalio, largest hedge fund in the world, made a ton of money in China.
McCormick of Pennsylvania was his deputy, was his right-hand man.
I've got a lot of problems with Ray Dalio, and Ray Dalio got a lot of problems with Steve Bannon in the war room.
However, ladies and gentlemen, that is the gospel of the war room right there.
Said by supposedly the smartest, or at least regardless if he's smartest or not, he's running the biggest hedge fund in the world and managing more money than anybody that priors, except for Larry Fink, who's not really a hedge fund guy.
He's more of an asset manager.
That's the gospel according to Warren.
Zandi from Economist, she's given the big Trump and tariffs and everything on the surface, and Freed pivots back.
And the guy goes, hey, full stop, it's all about debt.
And it's about, this is consumer finance by government spending.
And it's got to stop.
There is, the path we are on is unsustainable.
When they talk about Trump and everything he's done, show me what your plan is.
Because the plan's unsustainable.
And that little weasel, Mike Johnson, skipping over to see Besson today.
I hope Scott Besson, knowing like I know Scott, hits him upside the head and says, hey, what you have here is unworkable.
Somebody's got to step to the table.
We have to cut government spending.
And to cut government spending, you're going to have to cut over the Pentagon.
We've got to start acting like adults.
Dave Brattner, you've got to bump.
The floor is yours, sir.
dave brat
No, I think you just nailed it.
Dalio, I've been a little skeptical.
He's been a little fuzzy, but that's the strongest statement I've seen from him.
And not only the debt and the imbalances, but the debt and the imbalances tied to geopolitics, China, a threat coming at us, our dependence on them.
Everybody's starting to follow that in all the news.
I wish he'd go to the next point, the ditch Trump's been left in, right?
It's a bunch of twos, 2% GDP growth for the next 30 years.
That's the ditch, right?
That's CBO.
That's World Bank.
We're going to grow at 2% for the next 30 years.
That's on paper.
What's correlated with that?
Wage growth for the American people at 2% for the next 30 years.
Why is that the case?
Because of productivity at 2% for the next 30 years.
And our friend Bob Gordon, the top guy in the world.
This is not war room statistics.
The killer twos.
Two, two, and two.
And if Dalio hits that and shows the ditch we're in, but that was a strong performance on his part.
And that goes to the PSYOP.
You heard Fareed weigh in there.
And when he pivoted on the language, Dalio didn't give him what he wanted.
And then he said, his tone almost reflected what you should certainly side with China's.
Narrative and talking points, right?
And the pitch was going toward China.
And I'm going, wow.
And then, of course, no reportage on China's weaknesses.
If you really want to finish the story, where's the reporting?
China's got 300% debt to GDP also.
And so, come on, guys.
The SIOP is loud and clear.
steve bannon
You're back with us tomorrow morning?
dave brat
Tomorrow all day, you bet.
steve bannon
Dave Brat is booked this afternoon.
We're going to see you tomorrow morning.
We'll be right here in the war room.
How about that?
Tomorrow we've got Dave Brat in the morning.
Eric Bolling!
dave brat
Nice.
steve bannon
In the afternoon, kind of the invasion of the Visigoths.
unidentified
That's good.
steve bannon
Dave Brat, what's your social media, Dave?
dave brat
Yeah, I did post, finally, from Good Friday.
Brat Economics on Getter and on X. Amen.
steve bannon
Fantastic.
We're going to leave you with the right stuff.
We're going to go to Rome.
We're also going to go, there was an outage of energy, I guess electricity, through Portugal and Spain.
We're going to find out why Dave Walsh is going to be here.
Also talk to us about energy here in the United States of America.
New peace deal looks like in Ukraine.
A lot going on here.
Besson's got them stacked up over these deals like planes and LaGuardia on a Friday night.
He's cutting deals this week and getting a house and send it up there.
Start working on this tax deal.
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