April 24, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| I think they went well. | ||
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We understand that your economic team, many of them are here today, J.D. Vance, has negotiated what's been called a monster trade deal with India, like biggest one ever. | |
| Can you share with us what some of the framework of that might be? | ||
| You said England. | ||
| India. India? | ||
| India. They're not very complicated, these deals. | ||
| It's about the tariffs. | ||
| India charges almost more than any other country in the world. | ||
| And believe it or not, we do very little business with India, other than the fact that I like the Prime Minister very much. | ||
| He's a friend of mine. | ||
| He was here two weeks ago, as you know. | ||
| And we stood right outside in a news conference. | ||
| Unfortunately, the grass was very wet. | ||
| It was very hard for people to stand on the grass. | ||
| They got their shoes all ruined. | ||
| But other than that, it was a very good news conference. | ||
| And he's a great guy. | ||
| But we do very little business. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because the tariffs are so high. | ||
| They have among the highest tariffs. | ||
| Higher than China. | ||
| They have among the highest tariffs in the world. | ||
| And I understand they're going to reduce those tariffs, but it's really sort of their problem, not ours. | ||
| We do very, very little purchasing in India and selling. | ||
| We do very little selling. | ||
| I mean, Harley-Davidson, I said, how are you doing in India? | ||
| This is about six years ago. | ||
| They came to lunch. | ||
| That's a great American company. | ||
| They make their motorcycles. | ||
| And I said, how are you doing in India, as an example? | ||
| Well, we don't do any business there. | ||
| Why? Because the tariffs are too high. | ||
| I said, that's interesting. | ||
| Well, what are you going to do? | ||
| He said, well, we're going to build a plant in India. | ||
| And that's what they did. | ||
| I don't want that to happen. | ||
| They were forced to build a plant. | ||
| Well, essentially, what we're doing is the same thing. | ||
| Remember, there's no tariff when they build their plant here. | ||
| And everybody wants to build, because they don't want... | ||
| And the higher the tariffs go, the more likely it is they come in and build a plant, you know? | ||
| I mean, if it's 25%, that's fine. | ||
| If it's 50%, you'll get more plants. | ||
| 75%, you get more. | ||
| And 100%, you get more than that. | ||
| And they're all coming in at numbers that nobody's... | ||
| I don't think, Howard, there's ever been numbers like we've seen. | ||
| Seven, eight trillion dollars worth in two months. | ||
| Because, you know, it took me a month to get started, in all fairness. | ||
| But in two months, we did this. | ||
| And now we're coming up on 100 days, first 100 days. | ||
| And I think we're going to be close to $8 trillion. | ||
| There was never any president that did even a tiny percentage of that. | ||
| Okay, any other questions? | ||
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One of the deals signed by your 100-day mark. | |
| And China is saying that we're threatening and blackmailing them into a deal. | ||
| What would be your response? | ||
| Well, I mean, China, look, I have great relationships in China, with President Xi in particular, but China has been charging us massive tariffs for many years. | ||
| That's one of the reasons they were able to steal so many of our companies. | ||
| They took our companies out of America and they built their plants in China. | ||
| And one of those things, so now we're reversing it, but at levels that nobody's ever seen before. | ||
| No, we're going to get along great with China, I have no doubt about it. | ||
| Thank you very much, everybody. | ||
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Thank you, press. | |
| Thank you, press. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| I'm not going that way. | ||
| Thanks, guys. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Okay, right there. | ||
| Amazing, amazing. | ||
| Press availability. | ||
| President Trump took it on from the peace in the Ukraine, the deal, Putin, the Pope, the funeral. | ||
| Did he say anything about taxes? | ||
| Hello, Mr. President, they're not going to leave the country. | ||
| Call their bluff. | ||
| If you want to leave or pay your fair share of taxes, then hey, guess what? | ||
| There's the exit. | ||
| Anyway, got some work to do on the taxes. | ||
| Bottom line, math does not work. | ||
| If you give... | ||
| The tax break of no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security. | ||
| The numbers don't work unless you raise the taxes or... | ||
| I shouldn't say raise taxes. | ||
| Just not extend your great tax cuts to the millionaires. | ||
| A lot more time to work on this. | ||
| But amazing press conference. | ||
| President Trump broke news, including... | ||
| Wait for it. | ||
| I think he's going to see Putin shortly thereafter the Middle East trip. | ||
| The 13th to the 15th, he's going to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar, right? | ||
| So he's doing all that in the middle of May, and he just said right there he's going to go. | ||
| We've got an amazing cold open. | ||
| Eduardo Bolsonaro will be with us, John Lott, going to try to get Michael Patrick Lay. | ||
| We've got a lot to get to, and we've only got one hour to do it. | ||
| Let's go do the cold open. | ||
| Putting up a beautiful, almost 100-foot-tall American flag. | ||
| On this side and another one on the other side, two flags, top of the line. | ||
| And they've needed flag balls for 200 years. | ||
| It was something I've often said, you know, they don't have a flag ball, per se. | ||
| So we're putting one right where you saw us, and we're putting another one on the other side, on top of the mounds. | ||
| It's going to be two beautiful places. | ||
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Mr. President, Mr. President on China? | |
| President Trump on China? | ||
| Mr. President. | ||
| A couple ways people look at this. | ||
| One is that a religious leader should not wade into divisive politics. | ||
| The other is a moral leader is a moral leader. | ||
| What do you see and what do you hope for the next person who assumes this position? | ||
| Well, the first thing is, you know, I think your personal faith informs what you do but doesn't dictate what you do. | ||
| Secondly, I agree with the gentleman. | ||
| The selection of the next pope is going to be very important. | ||
| Look, Francis, first of all, with your polls, Chris, is really interesting. | ||
| He was not liked by a bunch of people in the church, and he was loved by others. | ||
| He's not loved by Democrats or sometimes by Republicans. | ||
| He's like a guy without a base, you know, which makes him probably pretty perfect. | ||
| And look, he was an open guy when I think about him. | ||
| I think the story of the Good Samaritan. | ||
| And what he said was, we need love, we need to support the weak, we can't treat... | ||
| You know, Jesus himself was an immigrant, as we know, coming out of Egypt. | ||
| So this guy was open, he was more inclusive to the church, he was more inviting and less role-oriented, sort of love God, love your neighbor. | ||
| This next pope, we're going to have an eye on him because they are influential. | ||
| They do set a lot of the way that Catholics think, but not just Catholics, but all people who pay attention to religious leaders. | ||
| So the question is, is he going to retrench and make the church more conservative, or is he going to follow the lines at the direction of Francis to say... | ||
| We need to be more welcoming. | ||
| We need to be more open. | ||
| And we should focus on those who are poor and sick and in trouble and the migrants. | ||
| And that's what's going to be interesting. | ||
| And that will be the great influence in the United States. | ||
| And I saw with polling the other day the issue of immigration. | ||
| We're kind of split as Americans. | ||
| I would have thought it would have been overwhelmingly for reigning all the men, as they say. | ||
| But I think you're starting to see things change a little bit. | ||
| I think people in the country want those who are criminals to be thrown out, but the rest of the people who are hardworking, believing, family people, I think the public has been influenced by some of the things that Pope Francis has said. | ||
| More on this U-turn on messaging. | ||
| Jeff, what else is Trump saying, and do we know what's behind all of this? | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Well, look, you may wonder what was the point or what is the point of all of this anyway. | ||
| And actually, that's what the White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt, was asked by reporters shortly after she did that Fox News interview. | ||
| And she said leverage. | ||
| This has all been about leverage. | ||
| But the reality here is that the U.S. has blinked. | ||
| China has not. | ||
| We will see where this goes forward. | ||
| But one person at the center of all of this sort of change in conversation, change in focus here at the White House is the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson. | ||
| He's been sort of the calming presence to the markets. | ||
| He had this to say in a speech earlier today to the IMF. | ||
| I wish to be clear. | ||
| America first does not mean America alone. | ||
| To the contrary, it is a call for deeper collaboration and mutual respect among trade partners. | ||
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China needs to change. | |
| The country knows it needs to change. | ||
| Everyone knows it needs to change. | ||
| And we want to help it change because we need rebalancing too. | ||
| So we have seen a series of postures, really, about the last several weeks. | ||
| First, it was a tough talk on China, no doubt about it, as the trade war escalated. | ||
| And the Treasury Secretary is saying that China needs to change, but the U.S. does need to change as well. | ||
| So a softer tone across the board, there is no doubt about it. | ||
| The market likes that. | ||
| But one of the other reasons we are learning there's a new posture here is because of a private meeting that the President had Monday in the Oval Office. | ||
| CEOs of Walmart and Target, Home Depot and Lowe's, of course, major American retailers, had a private meeting with the president in the Oval Office on Monday. | ||
| They were talking about the supply chain disruption. | ||
| And one warning, I'm told, was as blunt as store shelves will be empty in the coming weeks if there is not some type of a new deal that has struck. | ||
| So I'm told that that is something that resonated with the president. | ||
| And it's one of the things that led to his change of tone here. | ||
| But again, no tariffs have been negotiated, so we will see where this goes. | ||
| But certainly on this Wednesday, a new posture, at least from the White House, on this tariff policy. | ||
| Forrest and Brianna. | ||
| I mean, are the markets up too much? | ||
| Should people be selling if they believe that? | ||
| It's irrelevant to me, the daily trading of the stock exchange. | ||
| It's irrelevant. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party has been at economic war with us for 20 years. | ||
| And if you look at what they've broken, they've gained the World Trade Organization, most favored nation, the cyber deal, Obama, cut with them in 2015, they never lived up to, the Hong Kong in 2019, they walked away. | ||
| President Trump worked for two years with Lighthizer, had that amazing deal, took all the seven original sins of the Chinese Communist Party economics away and integrated this. | ||
| Into a total global economy. | ||
| And they walked away. | ||
| Lee Hu and the team walked away in 2019. | ||
| And so you've seen what's happened. | ||
| They're at war with us. | ||
| They've planned for this. | ||
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But so Donald Trump yesterday says that he's going to be nice to them. | |
| I mean, is there a turn here? | ||
| Because it really looks like he is walking back from this idea. | ||
| I don't think there's a climb down. | ||
| In fact, right when we walked in here, Caroline Levitt came in. | ||
| So it's not going to be any unitary, unilateral walk down. | ||
| Right, to 50%. | ||
| Now, I will tell you about President Trump. | ||
| He went up the escalatory ladder quickly, right, to 125 and 145. | ||
| But this is a long, tough process. | ||
| So I think people trading on this every day is just the computers or the algorithms or folks. | ||
| I think you have to see that he's bound and determined to, number one, treat this as a premium market. | ||
| Where if you don't bring your manufacturing back here, you're going to have to pay a premium to get to this market. | ||
| Like you buy a premium skybox at a sporting event or front row at a concert. | ||
| He sees a premium. | ||
| If you bring your manufacturing back, it's a different deal. | ||
| But this is a long, tough fight. | ||
| It's not going to be solved. | ||
| And the media is running around. | ||
| The market, stock market, this. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| And we're dug in. | ||
| And it's a battle between two systems. | ||
| If you think their system's going to win, you're kidding yourself. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| We're going to win this. | ||
| The American people are going to win it. | ||
| And Lao Bai Jing, the common man in China, is going to win it also. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| It's Wednesday, 23 April, year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| I want to thank you for that great team, the production team in Denver, my own production team here in the War Room in D.C. Incredible cold open. | ||
| So much going on today. | ||
| And that didn't even include any of the breaking news the president just gave you right there from the Oval Office. | ||
| I love the way he disintermediates the mainstream media and just brings you right into the Oval for these questions and answers. | ||
| We've got so much to go on for this hour. | ||
| We're going to get it all in. | ||
| I want to bring on Eduardo Bolsonaro. | ||
| Eduardo, everybody in the Warren Posse and the MAGA movement is very focused on this show trial your father's going through. | ||
| We understand he's had major surgery for the assassination attempt on him when he first ran. | ||
| Can you get us up to date? | ||
| And then I want to talk about some polling that shows that, once again, he's far ahead of Lula. | ||
| And this is why the deep states got this trial going on. | ||
| First off, how's your father doing given these serious operations he's had to have? | ||
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Thank you for asking, Steve. | |
| He's doing good. | ||
| He's recovering. | ||
| But this last surgery, it was the seventh surgery that he got after the stabbing, the assassination attempt in 2018, made. | ||
| By a former member of the Socialism and Liberty Party, is the name of a party, far like a radical left-wing party here in Brazil. | ||
| It's the kind of the politicians that usually when they go to U.S., they have contact and are very well-welcomed by Senator Bernie Sanders, AOC, and these kind of people that you know very well in the United States. | ||
| But the seventh surgery of my father, it was the most invasive one. | ||
| It took a little bit more than 11, 12 hours of surgery. | ||
| And so it took time to recover. | ||
| My father now, he's 17 years old. | ||
| But thanks God, healthfully, he's doing great. | ||
| The doctors are saying that he's doing very well, mainly because he does not drink, he does not smoke. | ||
| By major part of his life, he was like an athlete in the militaries. | ||
| So he's doing good. | ||
| I think in one month, he's going to be back again in the field because he's really hardworking. | ||
| And it's a punishment to him letting him go to the hospital. | ||
| So, how does this play into the trial? | ||
| What actually happens with this trial? | ||
| In abeyance? | ||
| Do they just keep going? | ||
| Because the system you have there is quite different than our system. | ||
| every day when he's being tortured with lawfare. | ||
| Your system's a little different. | ||
| Is it held in abeyance while he's recovering from the surgeries? | ||
| Do they pick up again later on? | ||
| Are they going to hold it in abeyance for six months or so? | ||
| What's the current status? | ||
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So, actually, the electoral court decided that he cannot run until 2030 because two things. | |
| Not because corruption or any kind of criminal serious crime. | ||
| It's because he met 40 ambassadors when he was sitting president in 2021, and he criticized the electoral process of Brazil. | ||
| So as you can imagine, it's pretty much the same reason of the mugshot of Trump back there in Georgia last year. | ||
| So for the same reason, my father is labeled as an anti-democratic politician. | ||
| And the other thing that made the electoral court... | ||
| Decide that he cannot run until 2030 is because he made a speech in a truck using a microphone after the military parade of our Independence Day. | ||
| He was even using none of public money. | ||
| It was all private in this event. | ||
| People didn't go to the capital of Brazil to be there with him, waiting for his speech. | ||
| So basically, there is no reason to make Jair Bolsonaro do not run in the next year election. | ||
| What is happening in Brazil is pretty much what just happened in Venezuela with Maria Corina Machado. | ||
| As they learned with Nicaragua that if they arrest the left-wing opponents, it's very bad for the image. | ||
| Of the president and likely the international community will say that he's a dictator like Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua. | ||
| He's not a president. | ||
| He's a dictator like Nicolás Maduro. | ||
| So the new strategy of the left is decide, let's say, go to the law firm and bring the courts where they appoint the major part of the judges. | ||
| And in these courts where they control, they can decide that as a punishment for any reason that... | ||
| The main oppositors of the left wing, they cannot run. | ||
| Look for Marine Le Pen in France. | ||
| Look for Maria Corina Machado and some other countries all around the world, like the U.S. So in Brazil, we are suffering with the same virus that was exported from the United States. | ||
| And in Brazil, they learned that they cannot wait until the elections, that in Brazil will happen in October of 2026, to then give the opportunity For the right-wing candidates to run and win the election, | ||
| just like happened with President Trump. | ||
| So in Brazil, they are trying to speed it up as much as possible to not permit Bolsonaro to run on the next year. | ||
| And as the electoral court decision is so weak, they believe that Bolsonaro can overturn this decision, the electoral court. | ||
| Mainly because in the next year, there will be new judges in the electoral court. | ||
| So Bolsonaro has a real chance to overturn this non-eligible thing that made him to not run until the year 2030. | ||
| And they are trying to convict Bolsonaro for an attempt coup d'etat in the Supreme Court. | ||
| That's why they are speeding up as much as possible. | ||
| They were working everybody together, the Attorney General and the Supreme Court, in January during the vacation time in Brazil, trying to make possible to convict Jair Bolsonaro for attempted coup d'etat still this year in 2025. | ||
| That's why it's so important that Mr. President Donald Trump to penetration the situation of Brazil and do not let it happen. | ||
| United States, we know that you do not interfere in other countries, but it's a tradition of the United States export freedom, not export censorship just like Biden administration was doing. | ||
| If you take a look, Manon, one year before of our election in 2022, who did come to Brazil? | ||
| Mr. Burns from CIA. | ||
| Jake Sullivan and some other high-level authorities that did come to Brazil basically to say to all Bolsonaro's administration authorities to not contest the results of the elections of 2022. | ||
| So we expect that the United States can be back again in the world field, in the world scenario, exporting freedom and liberty. | ||
| It's not fair to recognize as a president in an election where the opposition cannot run and cannot say whatever they want. | ||
| Okay, you've got President Bolsonaro's up in the polls. | ||
| You've had this outrageous decision that tries to bump him out to 2030, and they would hope he'd be forgotten about. | ||
| You had Jake Sullivan and clearly the Biden regime's hand all over this early on. | ||
| What specific action? | ||
| Is it OFAC? | ||
| Is it going after the Supreme Court in that radical judge? | ||
| Is it going after Lula's government? | ||
| Because our audience can get in back of specific actions you give us. | ||
| We fully support Bolsonaro. | ||
| The audience loves your family, your father, what you guys have stood up for in Brazil. | ||
| Your movement down there. | ||
| But specifically, what would you like to see President Trump and or the folks on Capitol Hill and the Senate and the House do, Eduardo? | ||
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All fact sanctions through the Magnitsky Global Act. | |
| Because who is leading the lawfare in Brazil, 95% is the Justice of the Supreme Court, Alexandre de Moraes. | ||
| It's the same crazy justice who is fighting against Elon Musk, who detained. | ||
| Mr. Jason Miller in 2021 after the CPAC in Brazil. | ||
| So if Trump sanctioned Alexandre de Moraes, we can have a hope to get back our democracy in Brazil. | ||
| In the United States administration, you have a bunch of arguments to do that. | ||
| For example, Alexandre de Moraes was suing, he was doing a prison arrest guarantee. | ||
| against an American citizen because she was tweeting from the U.S. territory. | ||
| So he was sending her, if he has the chance, because nowadays she's in the United States, but if this lady, if she comes to Brazil, he will arrest her because tweeting | ||
| So, basically, Alexandre de Moraes is invading the jurisdiction of United States. | ||
| He was also saying that Rumble and Truth Social can come to Brazil, explore the social media platform business, but with some conditions. | ||
| If they censor people like Alan dos Santos, a Brazilian refugee that is living nowadays in the United States, if they do not let certain American companies to work in Rumble in Brazil. | ||
| So basically what he's doing is... | ||
| He is invading the jurisdiction of the United States. | ||
| And this is the same reason that made Trump sanction Karim Khan, which is the DA, the prosecutor of the ICC, the International Criminal Court, and all of his team of investigators who were trying to arrest Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. | ||
| So, Karim Khan and all of his investigators, they got sanctioned because they were invading the jurisdiction of the United States. | ||
| So, as Alexandre de Moraes is doing the same thing, I really think that Trump, he can do that. | ||
| He has a legitimate argument to do that. | ||
| And when, I hope that he'll do that, and when he does that, we are going to have new freedom wins in Brazil. | ||
| Because the scenario nowadays is Jair Bolsonaro is already the next president of Brazil. | ||
| It's just a matter of he can run or not in the next year's election. | ||
| That's why we are exposing all of that. | ||
| That's why I thank you, Steve, to have the opportunity to talk with your audience about that. | ||
| Because Bolsonaro is leading the polls, the major polls, out of the error margin. | ||
| And the thing is, the prognostic... | ||
| For the following months and for the next year, is that the economy in Brazil is going to do really bad. | ||
| Because as you can imagine, a socialist, a radical left-wing like Lula da Silva, a very dangerous communist on the head of the Ford of São Paulo, he's doing very bad things in the economy. | ||
| He's increasing all the taxes as much as he can. | ||
| He's trying to make up the numbers. | ||
| But at the end of the day, when people go to the market, they go to get full. | ||
| Gas for the car. | ||
| Everybody realize how much more expensive are everything on our life. | ||
| So with the economy going down, probably Bolsonaro is going more and more up. | ||
| So next year, we have to fight for that. | ||
| Not only for Bolsonaro. | ||
| This is not a personal thing. | ||
| This is to rescue our democracy. | ||
| It's to rescue our liberty here in Brazil. | ||
| Brazil, great country, great people. | ||
| President Bolsonaro, a great leader of a movement, and has put his life on the line, and we hope he comes through all these surgeries and the recovery, and he's got to be on the ballot next year. | ||
| We're going to make sure we're all over it. | ||
| OFAC. Eduardo, social media, how do people follow you? | ||
| Because our audience wants to stay on top of this on a daily basis. | ||
| We have a lot of your colleagues come on here. | ||
| We're so honored to have you on. | ||
| But the audience, the Warren Posse, wants to stay on top of this. | ||
| Where do they follow you? | ||
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On social media, I am Bolsonaro SP. | |
| Bolsonaro, in the end, Sierra Papa. | ||
| So you can find me on Next and Truth Social. | ||
| I'm usually tweeting, posting in English. | ||
| So the American audience can follow me and some videos on YouTube in English too as well because I'm trying to expose the maximum as much as I can. | ||
| To explain to the Americans what is going on in Brazil and to prevent you from this virus, do not go back again in the United States. | ||
| Because if nowadays this crazy justice from the Supreme Court, Alexandre de Moraes, he's even putting Mr. Elon Musk under investigation there in Brazil, for sure. | ||
| After four years, when Trump administration ends, they have the hope that someone like Kamala Harris or any other radical left wing can be elected. | ||
| And they can work together going after Elon Musk, Trump, and all of the Trump administration, as you saw during the previous Biden administration. | ||
| So we need to rescue Brazil. | ||
| We need to get back our democracy. | ||
| We need to avoid China dominance in Brazil. | ||
| This is another issue that is very sensitive. | ||
| I don't think that President Trump will let it happen. | ||
| And with Bolsonaro, for sure, all you Americans, you are sure that you have a very good friend here, there in Brazil. | ||
| I mean, because I'm talking here from the United States. | ||
| Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| Your courage of you and your family, your father, is amazing. | ||
| Eduardo, we love you guys. | ||
| We'll have your back. | ||
| We'll be all over this. | ||
| Pushing OFAC up in the hill. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
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Appreciate you. | |
| Incredible. Bravery. | ||
| Their lives are on the line down there. | ||
| That's how demonic this is. | ||
| John Lott joins me. | ||
| John, first off, you've come up with a theory years ago and backed it up with data. | ||
| Tell me how Brazil became safer under President Bolsonaro and why one of the main reasons the radical Marxist left, Lula's administration, and these judges hate Bolsonaro and hate the Bolsonaro movement, sir? | ||
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Bolsonaro revolutionized the rules for people being able to go and have guns. | |
| Private gun ownership increased by something like 650% during his administration. | ||
| And when he started to propose those things when he was first running and then when he got into office, the media worldwide was saying, look, Brazil already has one of the highest murder rates in the world. | ||
| This is going to be catastrophic. | ||
| Murder rates are going to soar if you allow people to go and have guns. | ||
| And yet... | ||
| The murder rate fell by a third in the four years that Bolsonaro was there, the exact opposite of what all these predictions were making there, because he realized that, look, police are important, but they can't be there all the time for people to be able to go and protect themselves. | ||
| In high crime rate urban areas, he allowed people to be able to go and carry concealed handguns for protection. | ||
| It had a major impact on the risks that criminals were willing to take in order to go and commit crime. | ||
| How did you come up with this? | ||
| Because I think you wrote the book years ago, More Guns, Less Crime, and the progressive left's heads blew up. | ||
| How did you come up with this theory that's been reinforced by the actuality, the reality of Brazil under Bolsonaro, sir? | ||
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Right. Well, I mean, my views have changed a lot over time. | |
| If you had told me when I started working on that research that I would have the types of views and see the types of results that I've seen, I wouldn't have believed you. | ||
| But basically, I mean, I was probably in the middle of the debate on guns. | ||
| I only got into this by accident. | ||
| I was teaching at the Wharton Business School at the time. | ||
| And I made the mistake of telling some students that we were ahead in the syllabus. | ||
| And they came up to me after class and said, well, if we're ahead in the syllabus, we know this isn't exactly on topic for the class, but would you be willing to go and talk about gun control a little bit? | ||
| And so it's only kind of by accident that I got into this whole debate. | ||
| We're going to hold you through the break because we have a big story about Tulsi Gabbard and D&I that you're all over. | ||
| I want to get your thoughts on. | ||
| But why is it more guns, more safety? | ||
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Well, look, criminals, it's a pretty simple idea. | |
| If you make it riskier for criminals to go and commit crime... | ||
| They're going to commit less crimes. | ||
| So whether you have higher arrest rates or higher conviction rates or longer prison sentences or the death penalty, all those things make it riskier for criminals to commit crime. | ||
| Police, anybody who's read my academic work, know that I think police are the single most important factor for reducing crime. | ||
| But the police themselves understand that they virtually always arrive on the crime scene after the crimes occurred. | ||
| And the question is, what should people do when they're having to confront a criminal by themselves? | ||
| Look, we have like 670,000 police in the United States for a country of 340 million people. | ||
| Compare that to the 21 and a half million people that have concealed carry permits or the 29 states that don't even require that people have to have a permit to be able to go and carry. | ||
| It's simply impossible for the police to be there to protect people all the time. | ||
| I mean, you're not even going to maybe have a third of the 600,000 police that are on duty at any point in time. | ||
| They simply can't cover everything. | ||
| And so, look, you know, you go and you pass laws that go and mandate that people have to lock up their guns. | ||
| You know, criminals become more emboldened to attack people in their homes because they know it's going to be less likely that people are going to be able to go and protect themselves. | ||
| And they're more successful in committing the crimes. | ||
| So it's not rocket science here. | ||
| It's just if you make something more costly, people do less of it. | ||
| John, hang on for one second. | ||
| I want to get into the situation at D&I. | ||
| There's a report that was put out. | ||
| Very scary. | ||
| And John Lott put it all in perspective over at Real Clear Politics. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| Okay, Denver, can you put up this amazing article where we're clear politics? | ||
| We talked about this a little bit the other day with Natalie. | ||
| Lott really breaks it down. | ||
| Because this is shocking. | ||
| It takes a guy with the intellect of John Lott to put it into perspective. | ||
| And two things happening over DNI. | ||
| Tulsi's put out a tweet. | ||
| She says there's now two investigations going on. | ||
| I'm telling you what it's about. | ||
| That, I think, is about the national intelligence estimate, at least one of them, the investigations. | ||
| The leak on that out of DNI is unacceptable because somebody's taking a draft of a study or a study hasn't been signed off by her and her staff and leaking it out to chop block us in the Supreme Court because this gets to the part of the predicate that has to be laid for the Invoking of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. | ||
| That's how the deep state's coming after Trump. | ||
| This, I was gobsmacked when I saw this. | ||
| John Lott, talk about this, Dean. | ||
| Tulsi has released that Biden's intelligence apparatus, the meaning of it, and how depraved this is, sir. | ||
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Right. No, no, thanks. | |
| Last week, she declassified basically the... | ||
| Biden administration's blueprint for their war on domestic terrorism. | ||
| The Biden administration in June 2021 had put out a declassified version of that to begin with. | ||
| But the one that they hid was very troubling because the thing they put out in 2021 made it look like they were just going after criminals, people who were committing crimes with regard to domestic terrorism. | ||
| The one that was just declassified last week makes it very clear that they were going after non-criminals. | ||
| They were looking at people simply based on their political views, whether they were using symbols like 2A for the Second Amendment, or they were using things like the Betsy Ross flag as ways of flagging people that may have views that the administration didn't like. | ||
| But they didn't more than worry about censorship stuff. | ||
| What they also try to do is what they call debanking, make it so that people couldn't go and use different financial institutions. | ||
| So you have people like John Eastman, who was a lawyer and other lawyers who were working for Trump after the 2020 election. | ||
| They found that their bank accounts with Bank of America or other institutions were being closed. | ||
| It's become clear that people, based on their religious views or other political views, were having their financial institutions. | ||
| Closing their accounts that were there. | ||
| When you had leaks come out, when whistleblowers would come out and say, look, they're spying on Catholics, or whether they're recording the license plates for people who had attended school board meetings and spoken out against some of the policies that were at the school boards, | ||
| the Biden administration would come back and say, oh, we're only doing this because we're concerned about potential crimes or people who were actually involved in criminal activity. | ||
| When you read... | ||
| What Tulsi Gabbard declassified last week, it's clear that they were looking at much more than people who were involved in criminal activity. | ||
| And that, to me, is extremely concerning. | ||
| It's a line that I don't think we've ever seen crossed by any administration in the past. | ||
| So what then has to happen, Lott? | ||
| Well, this thing is, if you read it, and we were deplatformed, I was debanked, President Trump was debanked, the people around him were debanked, taken off all the platforms. | ||
| What then is to be done to make sure that people that did this are held accountable, number one, and number two, that it can never happen again, sir? | ||
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I mean, part of it is getting the publicity out for it. | |
| Tulsi Gabbard put out a tweet last week. | ||
| I had gotten by Monday morning well over 6 million views for her tweet. | ||
| There have been a few media outlets, conservative media outlets, that had covered it. | ||
| But even they missed the key part there that this was being applied for non-criminal activity. | ||
| You know, the first thing you have to go and do is publicize this and make sure that people realize this. | ||
| Nobody needs to take my word for it. | ||
| People can go to our website at crimeresearch.org. | ||
| We have a link to what Tulsi Gabbard declassified. | ||
| They can go to her tweet that she put out last week. | ||
| It's gotten a lot of circulation, even if the media hasn't done it. | ||
| But the mainstream media, even Fox or, you know, let alone the legacy media, hasn't covered the story at all, let alone dealing with the issue about whether they were going after people who weren't involved in any type of criminal activity. | ||
| All right. | ||
| John, where do we go to go to your crime research? | ||
| And what's your Twitter account? | ||
| How can people follow you? | ||
| Because you've always been a major public intellectual and a leading thinker, not just in our movement, but also just for law and order in the United States and people's safety. | ||
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Well, thanks. | |
| Well, our website is crimeresearch.org, crimeresearch.org, and my Twitter is my name, John R. Lott Jr., so I appreciate that. | ||
| Are you talking, you're heading down to NRA, are you speaking at NRA? | ||
| If people are going to the NRA convention, is that where you're heading? | ||
| Can they meet you? | ||
| Are you doing a meet and greet, or what are you doing? | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
| Right, well... | ||
| Be giving six different talks at the NRA convention, two on Friday, two on Saturday, and two on Sunday. | ||
| Everything from covering issues of media bias to issues about how the FBI has been corrupting data. | ||
| You know, you have people like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino have a huge job. | ||
| Everybody goes and focuses on kind of the obvious political corruption in terms of what cases that they go after. | ||
| I'm a data guy, and one of the things that's concerned me a lot is that if you let the left control the data, they're going to control a lot of the debate. | ||
| Even the crime data last year that was put out. | ||
| In September last year, when they put out the crime data for 2023, they updated, without any mention, really, the data for 2022. | ||
| They originally had reported. | ||
| That there had been a drop in violent crimes. | ||
| But when they did this kind of secret update of the data, they ended up going from a drop to an increase. | ||
| So when you had people like David Muir going out and correcting, you know, Trump during the debate that he had with Kamala Harris, he was relying. | ||
| The only final data that was out at that time when he did the correction was the data for 2022. | ||
| Just a month or so later, when they put out the data, they admitted that rather than a drop that they'd been claiming there had actually been an increase. | ||
| But there was no mention in their press release. | ||
| If you read the report itself, they had only one footnote where they vaguely said that they had updated the data for 2022. | ||
| No mention that it went from a drop to an increase. | ||
| No explanation for why they made the change. | ||
| It was just outrageous. | ||
| And even when the media would go and... | ||
| Go to the FBI and ask them about that. | ||
| All the FBI would say is we stand by our data. | ||
| They wouldn't come out and explicitly acknowledge that they had changed it from a drop to an increase that was there. | ||
| And, you know, I could go through lots of things. | ||
| Their data on hate crimes, their data on active shooting cases. | ||
| When I worked at the Department of Justice during the first Trump administration, one of the jobs I had was to go and look. | ||
| And some of their data. | ||
| And even when you would go and point out the errors that were there, even when you could get them to admit that they had made a mistake, to this day, they still haven't corrected those types of errors that were there. | ||
| And so, you know, Cash and Dan have a real big job ahead of them, but it's probably even more extensive than most people realize. | ||
| One more time, John, and I'll talk to you after the show. | ||
| One more time, where do people, if they're going to the NRA convention this week and this weekend, how do they contact where you're going to be giving your talks? | ||
| So if you've got a chance, you do not want to miss Lott, John Lott. | ||
| Where do they go? | ||
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Well, we have it up on our website at crimeresearch.org where the talks. | |
| We're also going to have a booth. | ||
| I think it's number 2200 is our booth that's there. | ||
| And so, you know, people should come by and say hi. | ||
| I'd love to talk to anybody there and answer any questions that they have. | ||
| John Lott, thank you. | ||
| Thank you for the great work, and thank you for making time to come to War Room tonight. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
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Well, thank you for being there. | |
| John Lott, one of the best. | ||
| Guy's a no-BS guy. | ||
| He's going to give you math, okay? | ||
| Got to figure out. | ||
| We got to get a lot in there. | ||
| A lot can help Cash and Dan a lot. | ||
| No pun intended. | ||
| Michael Patrick Leahy. | ||
| I want to give a hat tip to the great John Solomon, to the great Todd Benzman, and to Michael Patrick Leahy. | ||
| Although with Leahy, I got to tell a personal story. | ||
| I think we've created a monster. | ||
| Leahy, although he looks like he's in his 50s, is actually just slightly younger than I am. | ||
| He's 70. And he's just returned to law school. | ||
| This is after going to Harvard College. | ||
| I went to a trade school at Harvard. | ||
| He went to the real deal. | ||
| He went to Harvard College and Stanford Business School, which is pretty unique, right? | ||
| That's like players only. | ||
| At 69 or 70, you're going back to law school, sir? | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| National School of Law, Knight Law School here. | ||
| It's a terrific situation. | ||
| Got finals coming up, but I wanted to talk a little bit about the story that we broke here last week. | ||
| Amazing. Maryland man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was deported to El Salvador by the Trump administration in March. | ||
| In December of 2022, he was stopped for a speeding here in Tennessee, in Putnam County, about halfway between Nashville and Knoxville. | ||
| When they went over and looked at him, he presented a license which had been expired. | ||
| It was a Maryland driver's license just for illegal aliens. | ||
| Which means you can only drive in Maryland. | ||
| But it was expired. | ||
| Had eight people in the car. | ||
| None of them could speak English. | ||
| None of them had any luggage. | ||
| They all listed their residence as his residence in Maryland. | ||
| And they put him aside for an hour and 45 minutes. | ||
| They talked to the FBI, apparently the Terror Screening Center. | ||
| They said, take pictures of everybody and everything. | ||
| Hour and 45 minutes later, the Tennessee Highway Patrol confirmed to us last week. | ||
| That the Biden-year FBI told them to just release them. | ||
| That caused us to be greatly interested. | ||
| We looked and have asked Tennessee Highway Patrol, give us those documents. | ||
| They're slow-walking it. | ||
| But the great John Solomon, early this morning, released a story that he had secured the name of the driver, of the owner of the vehicle. | ||
| His name? | ||
| Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Two years earlier, In 2020, he'd been convicted of, wait for it, human smuggling by a jury down in Mississippi. | ||
| And same pattern, driving a vehicle with eight individuals in it. | ||
| He was transporting them from Houston to South Carolina or Virginia. | ||
| This is a guy that, quote, Maryland man, father of the year, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, claimed was his boss. | ||
| And also owned the vehicle that he was driving. | ||
| Okay, hang on, hang on. | ||
| When you found the Tennessee State Police, the Solomon and Benzmans walked through this, the Democratic Party has embraced a human trafficker, correct? | ||
| This guy had a license, not supposed to drive outside of Maryland. | ||
| He's driving the car of a guy already convicted of human trafficking. | ||
| And he was clearly trafficking these... | ||
| It's like slavery. | ||
| It's modern slavery. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| This is the Democratic Party is embracing it. | ||
| This is a slave trade. | ||
| You're bringing these poor folks up here where they're going to work in horrible conditions, right? | ||
| Because this is human trafficking. | ||
| And who knows that they've been trafficking women and young girls and children. | ||
| He's driving the car of a convicted human trafficker. | ||
| Right? And now he's caught, and the FBI says, which is terrific, under old management, just releasing. | ||
| But obviously he's a human trafficker, is he not? | ||
| And that's what the Democratic Party's embracing, and that's why President Trump's getting him the hell out of the country, sir. | ||
| He told the Tennessee Highway Patrol, Steve, that this trip had originated in Houston, which is a hub for human trafficking, obviously, and had gone up to St. Louis and then was on its way to Maryland. | ||
| The pattern of behavior, this must be the economics of human smuggling, right? | ||
| You get a big van, you got a driver, you get a helper, and then you have seven individuals that are transported. | ||
| Same exact situation as his alleged boss that owned the vehicle, Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes, was convicted of two years earlier. | ||
| By the way, big deal in Houston. | ||
| We got the complaint. | ||
| For the owner of the vehicle in the stop two years earlier in Mississippi, and he basically told a Homeland Security officer that he was running a business out of Houston called Trans Express, and he was charging $350 per person to transport illegal aliens from Houston to South Carolina and Virginia. | ||
| But hang on, why did the Tennessee State Police, you've got a guy that's got eight people, That all list a home in Maryland on a guy with a Maryland illegal, you know, an alien license that he's not supposed to drive. | ||
| You got these guys, they're saying, hey, it started in Houston. | ||
| Why do they need the FBI as a terrorist? | ||
| Clearly, this guy's trafficking people across the country. | ||
| Why don't they just put them in, why don't they stop them and put them in jail and then do some deep research online about how these guys came across the border and who they are? | ||
| You would have busted all of them. | ||
| Why is the Tennessee State Police leaning on the FBI for terrorism? | ||
| These guys are clearly smuggling human beings. | ||
| How tough a call is that? | ||
| Well, we were asking that same question to the Tennessee Highway Patrol. | ||
| They admitted last week that the FBI under Biden told them to release Kilmar Abrego, Garcia, and these other eight individuals. | ||
| But they have been slow-walking all that information ever since. | ||
| We wouldn't have known this if John Solomon had got this information. | ||
| Solomon, he's the best. | ||
| He's been investigating a report. | ||
| He's got sources all over. | ||
| But full stop. | ||
| They contact the FBI because of terrorism, correct? | ||
| And it's the terrorism center that comes back, at least the way I read your stories. | ||
| The terrorism center says, hey, they're not terrorists. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| He's a human smuggler. | ||
| Smuggling people up here to work to be slave labor and indentured servants. | ||
| Doesn't the Tennessee State Police understand that guys should be stopped right there, thrown in the who's gout until we figure it all out? | ||
| Everybody just take a deep breath and let's figure this out, like who these people are, sir? | ||
| That's what should have happened. | ||
| It didn't happen, and it was very suspect in this instance. | ||
| You know, Todd Benzman, the expert on this, says, look, they entered the driver's information. | ||
| It went to the FBI's Terror Screening Center. | ||
| It hit a flag of some sort. | ||
| And they said, take pictures of everybody. | ||
| Take pictures of all the documents. | ||
| And then, an hour and 45 minutes later, they said, go ahead and release them. | ||
| Very bizarre. | ||
| Very bizarre. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| It's not bizarre. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| This is happening every day and every night in the United States. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| This is happening. | ||
| This is too much hassle. | ||
| We've got to take them in. | ||
| We've got too much other stuff we're doing. | ||
| Just let them go. | ||
| Just let them go. | ||
| It's not our problem. | ||
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It's my own problem. | |
| Well, they should have talked to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. | ||
| They didn't talk to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation because we talked to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. | ||
| They said, we had no idea this traffic stop took place. | ||
| That was a mistake. | ||
| I suspect that the Tennessee Highway Patrol is stonewalling our request for the video cam and images. | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| Dude, every time, Leahy's all over you. | ||
| They stiffed you at the church school shooting. | ||
| They stiffed you in Memphis. | ||
| But you finally get them. | ||
| You surround them. | ||
| He's a honey badger. | ||
| Leahy never gives up. | ||
| Any guy who goes back to law school at 70, you're a beast. | ||
| This is why we love you, Leahy. | ||
| Leahy, where did it get to your show, all your content, your writings, all of it? | ||
| Your Twitter, everything. | ||
| Your law school, your class schedule at law school. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Go to TennesseeStar.com, TennesseeStar.com. | ||
| On X, I'm Michael P. Leahy. | ||
| God, I had Lott and Leahy back-to-back. | ||
| Those are two hammers. | ||
| You don't want to... | ||
| You're sitting in your office. | ||
| You go, Mr. Lott on line one, Mr. Leahy on... | ||
| What the guy does is slip out the wind in the back and go get a cup of coffee somewhere. | ||
| Leahy, don't ever change. | ||
| You're amazing, sir. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| You see, this Democrats, they're down there. | ||
| They're going to have to own this guy. | ||
| This is a human trafficker, full stop. | ||
| And look, the cops got so many problems and they're overwhelmed. | ||
| But listen, this should have been a no-brainer. | ||
| Look in there, maybe they're not terrorists. | ||
| They look like illegal alien invaders. | ||
| They look like they're people up here to do work. | ||
| And I'm not questioning the hard... | ||
| These people are hard workers. | ||
| But that's not the point. | ||
| Look, they got them crammed in. | ||
| And you see down in Texas all the time, they're flipping over these vans. | ||
| They got 16 people jammed in there. | ||
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That's not what this country's about. | |
| That's indentured servitude. | ||
| That's essentially slavery. | ||
| And people hiring them don't care. | ||
| But that's what they've embraced. | ||
| This is what President Trump's getting out of the country. | ||
| Hell, he closed the border. | ||
| He's closed the border in 60 days. | ||
| This is what he's trying to get out of the country because the muscle memory of Deporting people, and this is what they're trying to slow us down in court, to make it so difficult to get this scumbag out, which is a no-brainer, that you're just going to roll over and say, I can't do any more. | ||
| You can't get the 10 million illegal aliens. | ||
| Kasich, I'll play that tomorrow. | ||
| Saying, oh, they're here, and they're great, and they're law-abiding. | ||
| Hey, I don't want to hear it. | ||
| They've got to go. | ||
| Got to go. | ||
| Otherwise, you're not going to have a country. | ||
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| So this thing's up. | ||
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