April 22, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| You've just not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| It's Easter Monday, 21 April, in the year of our Lord, 2025, and an explosive news day, actually all weekend. | ||
| I want to go back to something he said that in the last hour, for the people in the White House, people in President Trump's administration, obviously President Trump is family always, but I think sometimes the White House staff... | ||
| Gets overlooked in all the different Branton, NEC, NSC, all of it. | ||
| The hundreds of people that actually work at the White House. | ||
| Natalie will tell you when she's over there. | ||
| The entire executive office building, you have the Domestic Policy Council, the National Economic Council, the National Security Council. | ||
| These are filled with dozens and dozens of people that are doing the hard analysis to come up with all the policies and coordinates everything that goes on in the administration. | ||
| Besides all the people in the agencies, in the Defense Department, over at D&I, in State Department, this weekend, on Easter weekend, I mean, Pete Hegseth and Marco, Senator Rubio, | ||
| Secretary of State, I couldn't even... | ||
| Rest or think on Easter Sunday because it came to him so visually early morning. | ||
| The story's breaking. | ||
| New York Times, about some executive order of he's taking apart the State Department. | ||
| He's doing what President Trump has elected to do. | ||
| And they're going along statutory lines, but there's going to be a major restructuring in the State Department. | ||
| And they're howling because, you know, Foggy Bottom is where the progressives live. | ||
| And they won't give that one up. | ||
| People have talked about and talked about and talked. | ||
| Conservatives have talked about it. | ||
| President Reagan talked about it and nobody could get control of the State Department. | ||
| Donald John Trump's getting control of it because he's smashing it. | ||
| And all the bad decisions that came out of there, all the evil that came out of there. | ||
| They're trying to destroy Pete Hexeth. | ||
| I hope you understand that. | ||
| Trying to destroy Pete Hexeth. | ||
| Pete Hexeth is a good man. | ||
| This audience has had his back. | ||
| And we're going to have to get on it tomorrow because they're coming for Pete like nobody's business. | ||
| And once you, you know, it's got to be no scalps. | ||
| Because once they get one, they're coming for all of them. | ||
| It's just like on the confirmations. | ||
| John, yep, we've got a little more time. | ||
| That's why I like the 6 o'clock hour. | ||
| I can kind of expand out. | ||
| Don't have the brutal clocks we have on the 10, the 11, and the 5. I want to go back to your alternatives. | ||
| The situation with Pope Francis, even for people who are not Catholics, obviously for Catholics and the traditional Catholics that watch and listen to the war room, it's urgent. | ||
| For everybody else, it should be very important. | ||
| There's another massive institution that means so much about turning our world around. | ||
| This has been taken over. | ||
| The Catholic Church, unfortunately, has been taken over by these globalists. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Really not good. | ||
| And I've spent a lot of time in Rome and a lot of time around the Vatican. | ||
| That's why I've always had it. | ||
| Breitbart, I launched Breitbart Rome with the great Tom Williams. | ||
| Hopefully we'll get Tom on in the next couple of days. | ||
| From the very beginning, we always had something in Rome here in the war room. | ||
| And why was that? | ||
| This book explains it. | ||
| This book is written by a New York Times reporter that wrote the book on the Warren Commission. | ||
| Which was a cruel and shocking act. | ||
| The history of the Warren Commission. | ||
| Secret history of the Warren Commission. | ||
| And it was quite powerful. | ||
| Philip Shannon. | ||
| And this is called Jesus Wept. | ||
| And it was, I had had the book but hadn't gotten a chance to read it because I'm so backed up on so many other things. | ||
| And it was the great Eric Bolling that told me the other day when we do the transition. | ||
| He says, hey, I was reading this book on the Popes. | ||
| Last time on the Popes. | ||
| And you have a big, there's a big section in there about you. | ||
| I go, wow. | ||
| And it was about my time I spent in the Vatican and starting Breitbart, Rome, and also with the great Ben Harnwell, even before the war room, before the Trump years, of fighting Bergoglio and what was happening to the church under him. | ||
| You could tell it right then with traditional Catholics like Cardinal Burke and others. | ||
| So, and it's quite amazing. | ||
| I'll be able to break out the sections we'll talk about in the next couple of days because this guy, he does not love the church at all. | ||
| He's not a Catholic. | ||
| He doesn't love the church. | ||
| John Yep, your analysis, I think, is my perspective. | ||
| That's the analysis people have to look for because the global media, and you see this just fawning over Bergoglio in the last, you know, 12, 14 hours shows you how they're going to play this. | ||
| We're in very dangerous territory. | ||
| As the kind of MAGA, you know, the MAGA movement in the church, this traditional people coming to a traditional Catholicism, going back to pre-Vatican Council, both for Latin Mass, but it doesn't have to just be Latin Mass. | ||
| Some of these traditional Catholics are not Latin Mass Catholics, but are very traditional. | ||
| And what is amazing is that you are having so many young people come to this that it's quite, it's quite innovating. | ||
| So walk me through the danger that is before us, sir. | ||
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We're living in a historic time because we have probably just ended one of the worst pontificates in the history of the Catholic Church, like truly, just from the obfuscation of Catholic doctrine to the partnering with globalist institutions like the CCP, | |
| right? And obviously the sexual cover-ups have continued really through McCarrick and Father Rubnik and others, right? | ||
| You know, this has been a disaster in many ways. | ||
| That being said, what a lot of us are seeing on the front lines, we're flashing the warning signs because we're like Paul Revere riding through the streets of the towns of the traditionalist church is like waking people up because why? | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| You got three episodes now for the Pope. | ||
| You got a really good guy, okay, who can be named like a Colonel Raymond Burke or Colonel Seurat, which is almost for sure not going to happen. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| The second thing would be like the bad. | ||
| And what we would think is the worst option, but not really the worst. | ||
| Like, you could see that in Cardinal Parolin, the Secretary of State. | ||
| Third option, this is the key, okay? | ||
| So there's good, there's bad, and there's moderate. | ||
| Moderate, we think, okay, okay, that's an option. | ||
| We'll take that. | ||
| If we can't get our good one, we'll take a moderate. | ||
| Wrong, wrong, wrong. | ||
| That is absolutely the worst thing that could happen, because that will lull people to sleep. | ||
| Catholics for Catholics, one of the main reasons that we were born, or we decided to get going in this country, It wasn't even to go after the, I guess you'd call them liberal or Catholics following like the Cardinal McElroy's or Zubich's or whatever. | ||
| It was specifically to wake up the mass of Catholics who are content with getting the pieces and crumbs fed from them from the table. | ||
| If you're not Catholic, you're like, what are you talking about? | ||
| It's almost akin to being content with a rhino president, okay? | ||
| Who just like gives you there, says what you got to hear, and then puts you back to sleep and that's it. | ||
| We would not be in this. | ||
| Nearly miraculous state as a country if it had not been for the bullheadedness of President Donald Trump. | ||
| We need somebody like that in Rome. | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| Of course it's possible through prayer and also action. | ||
| We have some ideas on that, but that's essentially how I see this. | ||
| It's a golden opportunity that we can't waste because some of the strongest groups and traditionalists have converted in this past 15 years here in the church in America. | ||
| Have come about precisely upon seeing what has gone on in Rome. | ||
| Like you mentioned, Steve, Pachamama people. | ||
| Let's remember, Pachamama is a pagan deity was put onto the high altar of St. Peter's Cathedral. | ||
| Insanity! You and I are Catholics, Steve. | ||
| How in the world are we supposed to explain ourselves to non-Catholics when we try to do this? | ||
| This is the one true faith, right? | ||
| It's been horrible, and rightful shame on us. | ||
| That incident. | ||
| And by the way, remember, this was the guy that went to the border and had the mass and called Trump all types of evil in 2016. | ||
| He has fought President Trump and fought everything related to MAGA. | ||
| Hates President Trump, hates MAGA. | ||
| I think he hates the United States of America. | ||
| And people are going to say, Bannon, you're so terrible. | ||
| How can you say hate on the guy that died? | ||
| Well, you can see by his actions. | ||
| By their fruits, ye shall know them. | ||
| In the Gospel according to St. Matthew. | ||
| By their fruits, ye shall know them. | ||
| By the culmination of their works, John Yep. | ||
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Love that you brought that up. | |
| I mean, you're not saying this out of hate people. | ||
| Jorge Bergoglio, I guarantee you that if he were to come back right now from the dead and be present among us... | ||
| He would be begging that we pray to God for him. | ||
| I really believe that because he would recognize fully what I did on this earth as the vicar of Christ was no bueno and caused great scandal in the church. | ||
| We are saying this for his soul and also for the souls of other people out there who have been lulled back into this post-mortem state of like, okay, Pope Francis was a great person, many recipes. | ||
| We didn't agree with him on totally everything, but we're going to move on. | ||
| It was much worse. | ||
| You have to correctly diagnose the illness, the sickness, in order for the remedy to be had. | ||
| That's key. | ||
| One of the great awakening moments, I think, for a lot of people, of everything he did on climate change and the church and going after traditional Catholic doctrine, but I think it came up in something that maybe many of the Protestants or the people who are secular in our audience... | ||
| He had this religion, this pagan religion. | ||
| They had a conference about it at the Vatican. | ||
| And they put it up on the altar. | ||
| They put one of the central parts of this religion up at a high place of honor. | ||
| I think the guy was Dutch or he was German. | ||
| There was a young man that went and took it. | ||
| Austrian. A right-winger from Austria, a conservative, this young man took it and took it down to the Tiber River under threat of all kind of crimes and threw it into the Tiber. | ||
| And they melted down. | ||
| And one thing I thought about, going back over what they had done in the days of this conference, the pagans had more respect for their services and their tradition of worship on these pagan idols. | ||
| Then the highest level of the Catholic Church, this is not folks in some, you know, dilapidated parish in Michigan or in Kentucky or in Missouri, out west, wherever you want to say, inner city New York. | ||
| This is the highest, most elite level in the Vatican with no respect whatsoever for the traditions of Catholicism. | ||
| And here these pagans who they invited in, they had more respect for the service. | ||
| You sit there and go, This is so far gone. | ||
| I don't even know how you turned it around. | ||
| But yep, it's people like you and Catholics for Catholics and other groups over the last couple of years because it was grim in the early years of his pontificate, you know, going there with Ben Harnwell when we decided to really start taking action and organize people. | ||
| It was grim. | ||
| And the same type of things they came after, the same way the deep state came after the Trump movement in 2021. | ||
| That is a little bit like Rome was in trying to organize these things. | ||
| The people were afraid. | ||
| They were afraid to speak out. | ||
| They were afraid to be associated with people. | ||
| They were afraid. | ||
| They had the same type of fear I saw there, I saw in 2021. | ||
| I said, I've seen this before. | ||
| I've seen this before. | ||
| This is what Bergoglio and that crowd of deep church and deep state, they all roll the same way. | ||
| Because they're interconnected. | ||
| And that's why this is so important. | ||
| And this has dimensions beyond just the Catholics. | ||
| Because I've seen this. | ||
| And I've seen the hatred. | ||
| The hatred. | ||
| To the MAGA movement and to people trying to stand for any of their countries. | ||
| And those people were heroes. | ||
| And are heroes today. | ||
| And that's why, John, I think over the next couple weeks is going to be very important. | ||
| What's your call to action, Brother Yep? | ||
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Know your cardinals. | |
| Okay, there's an excellent report that's been produced by some friends. | ||
| It's called College of Cardinals. | ||
| I believe it's.com. | ||
| You can show it on the screen here. | ||
| It's a fabulous site just to know who these people are. | ||
| So you're like, well, great, so what do I do with that? | ||
| Spread the word. | ||
| Expose and promote the good people. | ||
| Bring the people that are the cardinals that are good and have a good track record to light. | ||
| One of the greatest dangers of this whole pontificate... | ||
| And the conflict that we're facing is the cardinals. | ||
| They don't know each other, and we don't know them. | ||
| Why? A couple of practical reasons. | ||
| They were named from the extremities, so they never really got together as much as they traditionally did because they were from countries far away, right? | ||
| Not like the majority from Italy. | ||
| That's a problem because the cardinals don't fully know who each other are and can therefore make the best decision about who should be the next pope. | ||
| The second thing is... | ||
| We, the people, lay people, we don't really fully know them as well because precisely what you just mentioned, Steve, the amount of fear that the Bergoglian regimes you want instilled in not being able to speak up publicly, they achieved their goal, | ||
| by the way, for the most part. | ||
| I mean, if you look at the bishops of the United States, most of them lean conservative. | ||
| They're not evil people. | ||
| Here's the problem, though. | ||
| They are not outspoken. | ||
| And that's all they need, right? | ||
| So we have to break through that as a layperson. | ||
| Your call to action is really to know these people, know these cardinals, expose the social media, talk it up, talk to your priest. | ||
| That gets up. | ||
| It gets up to the bishops, cardinals, whatever, so that we can make the best decision. | ||
| And of course, you're all talking about going to Rome. | ||
| That might be the best thing possible to show up there in force, to let them know that, look, we're not going to put up with this. | ||
| We want our church. | ||
| We want to be one Catholic and Apostolic Church. | ||
| John Yep, where do people go to your site? | ||
| You're one of the coordinators of all this. | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
| Social media and to your sites, or where? | ||
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C-F-O-R-C dot com. | |
| We're just Google Catholics for Catholics all over. | ||
| We're on X, we're on Rumble, we're on Truth. | ||
| You can go there for the latest. | ||
| We're about action, too. | ||
| Obviously, too. | ||
| You just can't sit and talk about this. | ||
| We've got to get to work. | ||
| We've got to pose and get on the front line. | ||
| That's important. | ||
| That's how we're going to win. | ||
| Brother, thank you so much. | ||
| John, you have great work as usual. | ||
| Catholics for Catholics. | ||
| One of the groups that came up in the early days of Bergoglio. | ||
| The fear. | ||
| The fear is exactly the same. | ||
| I've seen it twice. | ||
| I've seen it there in Rome and I saw it in Washington DC in'21. | ||
| So we know how they roll. | ||
| And we ain't gonna back down one inch. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Two of the most unreported stories, because there's so much going on, that are massive in their implication is Tulsi Gabbard. | ||
| We talked a little bit about it this morning. | ||
| Tulsi Gabbard released a 15-page PDF, and I will break it down even further tomorrow, the next day, about the Biden regime actually with the FBI and others actually working with these massive platforms and other entities and people. | ||
| To suppress, this gets back to the fear, to suppress and destroy you. | ||
| Destroy your career, destroy your life. | ||
| Because they wanted to crush MAGA after they stole the election in 2020. | ||
| The other huge one is Bobby Kennedy. | ||
| And this gets to be the results and the payoff when you guys do so much work. | ||
| Like defending Pete Hegseth. | ||
| Remember, getting Bobby Kennedy across the line to be confirmed. | ||
| A major story of what he's working on. | ||
| And we've got a cold open for that. | ||
| And then I want to bring in Dr. Toby Rogers. | ||
| So let's go ahead and play the cold open for him. | ||
| Two years ago, it was 1 in 36. The CDC data that we released this week shows 1 in 31. But it's a state-by-state data. | ||
| And the worst state is California, which actually has the best collection methodology. | ||
| So they actually... | ||
| Probably reflect what we're seeing nationwide. | ||
| In California, it's one in every 20 kids and one in every 12.5 boys. | ||
| And if you look at the minority numbers, which we don't do very well, it's much worse. | ||
| And the low-functioning autism, in other words, people who have full-blown autism, which is about... | ||
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And there are degrees. | |
| Oh, yeah, there are degrees. | ||
| About 25% of the population of that... | ||
| Kids with autism, about 25% of them are non-verbal, non-toilet trained. | ||
| They have all these stereotypical behaviors. | ||
| Headbanging, biting, toe-walking, stimming. | ||
| And that population is growing higher and higher. | ||
| So it's becoming a larger percentage. | ||
| So we're seeing many more cases that are now linked to severe intellectual disability. | ||
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I mean, we are getting data. | |
| They are investigating it. | ||
| Where do you think we're going to end up? | ||
| What is your best guess, hypothesis, theory at this point? | ||
| Well, President Trump asked me to find out what's causing it. | ||
| And I'm approaching that agnostically. | ||
| We are looking at everything we're going to do. | ||
| We're going to be very transparent in how we design the studies. | ||
| We're going to form the studies out to 15 premier research groups from all over the country. | ||
| And we're going to be transparent about our protocols, about the data sets, and then every study will have to be replicated. | ||
| We're going to look at mold. | ||
| We're going to look at the age of parents. | ||
| We're going to look at food and food additives. | ||
| We're going to look at pesticides and toxic exposures. | ||
| We're going to look at medicines. | ||
| We're going to look at vaccines. | ||
| We're going to look at everything. | ||
| The quintessential definition of science, and you're going to get to the bottom of it, I only have about 20 seconds. | ||
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How long do you think it'll take? | |
| I think we'll have some preliminary answers in six months. | ||
| It'll take us probably a year from then before we can have definitive answers, because a lot of these studies will not go out until the end of the summer. | ||
| This was a bombshell drop last week. | ||
| Dr. Toby Rogers joins us from the University of Sydney and a fellow over at the Great Brownstone Institute, which we absolutely love. | ||
| Doctor, first off, the reaction of this has been the established order at pharmaceutical companies and in medicine and at universities have lost it over this. | ||
| And they're all sitting there going, this is what we warned about. | ||
| Bobby Kennedy lied in his confirmation hearing. | ||
| All of his cult over children's health defense are all a bunch of psycho liars. | ||
| And you've essentially got a bunch of zombies now that are inside the wire. | ||
| And you're about to destroy American medicine and with it the American people, sir. | ||
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Well, for the first time we have somebody telling the truth, which... | |
| We haven't had ever in the autism epidemic. | ||
| And the prevalence rates that we're seeing that Bobby was talking about are just astronomical. | ||
| So I've been researching this since 2015. | ||
| And originally, for most of the 20th century, autism was so rare, no one even thought to do a prevalence study. | ||
| So you don't have the first autism prevalence study until 1970. | ||
| And the prevalence rate at that time was 1 in 10,000 children. | ||
| So not zero, but pretty rare. | ||
| And then in the 1980s, the autism rates started to skyrocket. | ||
| And so we were seeing 1 in 5,000, 1 in 2,500, 1 in 1,000. | ||
| And the rates just kept going up and up. | ||
| And so now we're at 1 in 31 children. | ||
| And in California... | ||
| It's even higher than that. | ||
| They looked at four-year-olds who are in 2022, and they found that four-year-olds have a 6% autism rate. | ||
| This is a civilization-ending epidemic if we don't get in front of it. | ||
| And Bobby Kennedy came forward and told the truth. | ||
| Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| I noticed when I was a kid, you never, I mean, autistic kids, you heard about it, but you never saw it. | ||
| And now I know people that, you know, they're autistic kids. | ||
| They're parents. | ||
| I know many parents of autistic children. | ||
| It seems like it's everywhere. | ||
| Why do you just said at 6%, you used the phrase, civilizational ending. | ||
| What do you mean by that, brother? | ||
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Well, one of the things I look at in my research are the costs of autism. | |
| So in 2015, autism cost the United States. | ||
| $268 billion a year. | ||
| So that's increased educational costs, increased housing costs, increased medical costs. | ||
| And the research that I've done with Mark Blacksell and Cynthia Nevison shows that we're going to hit a trillion dollars a year in autism costs in the United States by the end of the decade. | ||
| And so that's roughly equal to U.S. Defense Department costs. | ||
| There's no plan to... | ||
| Deal with that. | ||
| There's no plan to meet that challenge right now. | ||
| Now, Bobby Kennedy's working on it, and President Trump deserves credit for that, and Bobby Kennedy deserves credit for that as well, for finally turning and reckoning with the situation. | ||
| But we've just never had a situation before where 3%, 4%, 5% of the population is disabled for life in infancy. | ||
| The thing about autism is autism costs more than cancer, stroke, and heart disease combined because those diseases happen later in life and for a shorter period of time. | ||
| With autism, these are costs and challenges over a lifetime. | ||
| Now, what you'll see from Bobby Kennedy is a reckoning with the problem, talking about, well, how do we build housing for all of these kids who are now becoming adults who are on the autism spectrum? | ||
| Where are they going to live after their parents die, right? | ||
| So we'll actually get a reckoning with that problem. | ||
| But for the last 39 years, nobody in government has reckoned with the crisis that we're in, even though it's surged in prevalence all around us. | ||
| Hang on one second. | ||
| I'm going to hold you through the break. | ||
| Go back over that, because people don't look at it that way. | ||
| All these other diseases come later in life, and they're intense, but for shorter periods of time. | ||
| And then you expire, right? | ||
| This is literally at birth, and it goes over the arc of somebody. | ||
| And we don't even know. | ||
| We're just getting the grips on when the parents aren't around. | ||
| And for the parents, the love of the parents for these children is unbelievable. | ||
| But it is very draining. | ||
| How do you get to the $268 billion in cost, or let's say $300 billion today, versus 10 years ago? | ||
| I tell you what, hang on. | ||
| We're going to take a break. | ||
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I want to give you plenty of runway for this. | |
| There are a couple of major things. | ||
| There's so much going on and so much positive that President Trump is doing. | ||
| It's the reason the fight is so fierce. | ||
| In the courts, in the media, on the streets. | ||
| Because President Trump is making America great again. | ||
| Didn't say it was going to be easy. | ||
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It's the heaviest of heavy lifts. | |
| This is why I say he's at the level of General Washington and Abraham Lincoln, the third great world historical figure as President of the United States, changing the direction, the arc of this country, which is extraordinary. | ||
| And the fight and the pushback is unbelievable. | ||
| Just understand, you saved Pete Hexeth to even get to full confirmation, get to a hearing. | ||
| And then in the hearings, you once again push him over the top. | ||
| Pete Hegseth? | ||
| They're trying to destroy Pete Hegseth as a man and as a Secretary of Defense. | ||
| They're coming and they're rolling hard. | ||
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your host, Stephen K. man | |
| Dr. Toby Rogers. | ||
| Toby, how do you get to... | ||
| I calculate roughly $300 billion annually for costs. | ||
| Is that in Medicaid? | ||
| Is it in Medicare? | ||
| Other HHS programs? | ||
| I mean, that is a massive number, sir. | ||
| Or Social Security for disabled? | ||
| Where is it captured? | ||
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Yeah, it's across a bunch of different categories. | |
| So in the public health literature, there are these things called... | ||
| Cost of disease models, and you look at a number of different categories. | ||
| So you look at the additional costs to educate someone, in this case, on the autism spectrum. | ||
| You look at additional health care costs, look at housing costs, supportive service costs, and then you also look at things like labor force participation. | ||
| So if somebody doesn't have speech and isn't able to participate in the workforce, then they also have lower tax rates and And often parents are required to stay home to take care of the child, | ||
| and so you lose the income that comes from the parents working. | ||
| And so you model the prevalence across the population and across all these different categories, and then you multiply it all together. | ||
| What's interesting about our model is that we correctly model prevalence for the first time. | ||
| Previous cost of autism models assumed that the rate was static, that the autism rate was 1% or 0.5% | ||
| That's not what's happening with autism. | ||
| What's actually happening is children born from 1986 to the present, it's like a wave pattern. | ||
| The autism rate keeps going up and up and up. | ||
| And as a result, the costs compound over time. | ||
| And so this cost study that I did with Mark Blackstone, Cynthia Nevison, It's called Autism Tsunami because the costs of autism are like a tsunami moving through society and growing to the point where we actually predicted costs of $6 trillion per year in the United States by 2060 if things continue on the present course. | ||
| Now, the good news is, from everything we can tell, autism is preventable. | ||
| And those are the words that Bobby Kennedy said. | ||
| Okay, but hang on. | ||
| Don't get to my punchline yet. | ||
| We're going to get to it is preventable, maybe. | ||
| I want to go to the second. | ||
| First off, their heads blew up because the pharmaceutical industry particularly, but also the healthcare industry, because they said, oh, this is just better monitoring, or we have better ways to diagnose this now or see it. | ||
| It has nothing to do with more prevalence. | ||
| What is your answer to that, sir? | ||
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Well, they're being disingenuous because we have two very good studies, multi-million dollar studies that were commissioned by the state of California that looked at this question, that looked at this question of, well, is the increase in prevalence real or is it caused by... | |
| Diagnostic substitution, diagnostic expansion, better awareness, people moving to a state to take advantage of better social services, that sort of thing. | ||
| So the first study is by Robert Byrd at UC Davis. | ||
| He is head of pediatric medicine at UC Davis Hospital, led a team at UC Davis and UCLA. | ||
| And they came back and said, no, these... | ||
| Prevalence rates, this increase in prevalence is real, and it's not explained by changes in diagnostic criteria, and it's not explained by better awareness. | ||
| And he urged lawmakers to look at environmental factors. | ||
| And then the study was repeated in 2009. | ||
| Irva Herz-Pichotto at UC Davis and a co-author named Delwich in 2009 published a study that showed that Again, the increase in autism prevalence is real and not caused by better awareness, diagnostic substitution, | ||
| diagnostic expansion. | ||
| That explains a little bit, a small percentage of the increase. | ||
| But remember, we're trying to explain a 32,158% increase in autism over the last 52 years. | ||
| We're not 32,000% more aware than we were. | ||
| Something in the environment is happening that's causing these kids to develop autism. | ||
| Okay, that was then the second part of this is you had, I think, 15, 12, 13, 14, 15 different categories. | ||
| Their heads blew up there. | ||
| They go, oh my God, these guys are crazy. | ||
| They're trying to blame it on everything. | ||
| Talk to us about the breadth of your investigation. | ||
| Why is it so broad? | ||
| Is it scientifically based that it's that broad? | ||
| And why was the knee-jerk reaction that you guys were crazy, even the way that you're going about, investigating this to see how real it is, sir? | ||
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So, look, with any toxic exposure, there's a range of different effects, right? | |
| If you're exposed to a toxic chemical, some people are going to experience cognitive effects, some people are going to experience... | ||
| Gastrointestinal problems. | ||
| Other people are going to develop problems with their blood, problems with their immune system, that sort of thing. | ||
| There's going to be a range of different effects. | ||
| What we see with autistic children is a wide range of different effects. | ||
| So, some that are more severely impacted, lose speech, eye contact, the ability to socialize, that sort of thing. | ||
| Are socially awkward, but they're still able to function in society and go to work and pay taxes and that sort of thing. | ||
| What the pharmaceutical industry has done over the last few days is to flood the zone and to try to erase people with profound autism, the people who are unable to care for themselves. | ||
| And that's disingenuous. | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| What do you mean they tried to erase the pharmaceutical industry? | ||
| Because they've been on this from the beginning. | ||
| Now, this week, they're trying to erase people with profound autism. | ||
| How do you know they're doing that? | ||
| Why are they doing that? | ||
| And for what outcome are they looking for, sir? | ||
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Well, so what we saw starting seven or eight years ago is that there was all this talk about neurodiversity. | |
| So suddenly we were supposed to celebrate autism, normalize it, act as if it's always been with us at the same rate as before. | ||
| But we know that behind the scenes, the pharmaceutical industry is delighted by this focus on neurodiversity. | ||
| And people who write books and articles about neurodiversity suddenly are winning awards out of nowhere and being promoted on the mainstream media and that sort of thing. | ||
| What do you mean about neurodiversity? | ||
| What is that? | ||
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This is just a term that showed up a few years ago. | |
| There's this guy, Steve Silberman, who wrote a book called Neurotribes. | ||
| It was to celebrate autism in the same way that one might celebrate LGBT or... | ||
| People of color or left-handedness or whatever. | ||
| It was a very sophisticated attempt to normalize autism. | ||
| Unfortunately, autism is the result of children being poisoned. | ||
| And so what they were normalizing was children being poisoned in the environment, which is actually an incredibly sinister thing to do. | ||
| So people like Bobby Kennedy, myself, Children's Health Defense, you, the high wire. | ||
| I've been trying to say, no, no, this is a real problem. | ||
| These children are in pain a lot of the time, have seizures, are unable to care for themselves, unable to live normal lives. | ||
| And we can do something about this if we stop putting poisons in children's bodies. | ||
| When you say that, though, there's a wide range because automatically they go to, this is Bobby Kennedy and his nutcase cult. | ||
| That is anti-vaccine. | ||
| And next thing you know, you're going to have measles all over the country and kids are going to be dropping dead because the inmates run the asylum. | ||
| When you say it's toxic and we're putting it in children, clearly in the 12 different things, you have more than just this being tied to vaccines. | ||
| Or if you guys already come to the conclusion... | ||
| And we're just kidding ourselves here that it is vaccines and all the other different areas of inquiry, the other 10 or 12, are going to be fruitless, sir. | ||
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Such a great question. | |
| So here's how to think about that. | ||
| Anything that causes an immune activation event, so said differently, anything that overwhelms the immune system can trigger autism. | ||
| That's the best scientific research that we have at this point. | ||
| And so in my research, I look at five classes of toxicants that increase autism risk. | ||
| So mercury from coal-fired power plants and cars, endocrine disruptors and plastics and fire retardants, pesticides and herbicides, electromagnetic frequencies, cell phones, cell phone towers, Wi-Fi, and then pharmaceuticals, specifically SSRI antidepressants, | ||
| Tylenol, and vaccines. | ||
| And we actually have... | ||
| Fairly good studies, sort of 10 to 20 in each of these areas, that show the increased risk from exposures to these various toxicants. | ||
| Now here's the problem. | ||
| What you'll see in these studies is, if you live too close to a coal-fired power plant or a field that's sprayed with a particular pesticide during a particular trimester of pregnancy, you'll see the autism rate in the children born to those mothers increase. | ||
| So there'll be a risk ratio of 1.2 or 1.3, so you'll see autism risk increase 20%, 30%. | ||
| The problem is we're trying to explain a 32,000% increase in autism over the last 52 years. | ||
| So a 20% or even a 30% increased risk of autism can't get you anywhere close to explaining The 32,000% increase in autism over the last 50 years. | ||
| So there's a study, and I'm going to break a major story here that nobody else has and nobody else has reported on, and you're the only one who has the courage to go there, which is the study that helps us understand the contribution of the different toxicants to causing autism is the study led by Sally Ozonoff at UC Davis. | ||
| It came out in 2018. | ||
| And she used this brilliant study design where they asked the question a lot of different ways and they gathered a lot of different records to try to piece together the childhood of these children who had developed autism. | ||
| And what she found was that up to 88% of autism cases are characterized by autistic regression. | ||
| The child was developing normally, and then something happened. | ||
| Suddenly the child loses speech, eye contact, the ability to care for him or herself, the ability to socialize with others. | ||
| What's important about that is that autistic regression suggests an acute toxic exposure. | ||
| So we now have eyewitness testimony from thousands of parents. | ||
| The acute toxic exposure that preceded the autistic regression was a well-baby vaccine appointment with a pediatrician. | ||
| So, on the one hand, that's shocking. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Anybody tells me, hey, you're so brave, we're going to break it out of your shell. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| UC Davis, a tightly crafted research project. | ||
| Publishes in 2018. | ||
| Peer-reviewed, by the way, doctor, was it peer-reviewed? | ||
| Absolutely. It shows that 88% of the participants had autistic regression, which means these children or these babies were fine up to a certain point in their life. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, aspects of autism, whether it's loss of speech or social functions or hearing or sight or sound or anything, Could be noticeable by the parents and the children and the babies had been fined up until then, correct? | ||
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That's correct. | |
| And previously, the assumption was that these children had been born with it, that it was genetic, that they'd always had it. | ||
| And what's groundbreaking about... | ||
| Sally Ozonoff study in 2018 is that she shows that up to 88% of autism cases are characterized by autistic regression, and that suggests an acute toxic exposure. | ||
| It's one of the most important studies in this entire debate, and to my knowledge, your show right now is the first major news channel to report on this. | ||
| Okay. Thank you for doing that. | ||
| Let me take this a slightly different way. | ||
| We want to have you back on because I want to go through the whole waterfront here. | ||
| Folks, this is that important. | ||
| Not just because of the cost of the opportunity cost and the direct cost to deal with these children, in particular as they get older, and their parents, and the burden that's on the parents is just incredible. | ||
| And I don't say burden lightly. | ||
| I know that parents love their children as all their children. | ||
| But it's psychologically a burden and financially a burden. | ||
| And people that come through this, you see true love in these families that come through it. | ||
| But 2018, this is what I don't understand, and I want to make sure that we think this through. | ||
| Because Bobby Kennedy, we've been a huge supporter of Bobby Kennedy and a huge supporter of him becoming HHS. | ||
| But correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| 2018 was, what, seven, eight years ago, right, roughly? | ||
| That study's been out there and been known. | ||
| During the entire, because this is what I, because this is not my line of country, but we follow it because I know it's important. | ||
| It shocked me when it came out last week with definitively how they're going to do this because I thought that was one of the things that Bobby Kennedy swore. | ||
| He was not going to do or kind of at least led the committee to say, well, we're not going to go here. | ||
| There's so many other things. | ||
| Then we cite a study from 2018 that clearly you guys knew about and knew it would be, you know, a bombshell when properly because it ain't a scoop until you treat it like a scoop. | ||
| Was this? | ||
| Something that Bobby Kennedy knew all along was not up front with the committee? | ||
| Or do you believe that he was up front with the committee and people knew what they voted for when they confirmed him? | ||
| Because, as you remember, that was one of the most brutal of the confirmation hearings. | ||
| And it took a lot. | ||
| This audience really put their shoulder to the wheel as they demanded that this thing be going forward. | ||
| But do you think we're going to get criticized that we were not quite straightforward at the time of the confirmation, given the fact that your study's in 2018 and you guys kind of know where you want to go on this, sir? | ||
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you. | |
| Robert Kennedy was remarkably candid in the confirmation hearings. | ||
| He was getting beaten up by the Democrats on the panel. | ||
| And he said, I'm going to follow the science. | ||
| And this is part of the science. | ||
| Look, we're chipping away at a monolith here. | ||
| So the pharmaceutical industry, the pharmaceutical industrial complex, owns the mainstream media. | ||
| They own the scientific journals. | ||
| They own the universities. | ||
| They own the political system. | ||
| They own the regulators. | ||
| So we've... | ||
| We've known about problems with the vaccine schedule, and we've known about children regressing into autism for a long time. | ||
| But to get that message into the public record and the public consciousness, it's just this Herculean effort to have an honest conversation for the first time. | ||
| You're one of the few shows in the world that has the stones to go there and actually have this conversation, has the courage to have this conversation. | ||
| And so there's a huge body of knowledge about what is known about autism risk. | ||
| And I feel like Bobby Kennedy's challenge is to introduce this into the public record, introduce this into the public consciousness, sit Senator Cassidy down and walk him through the science. | ||
| I just feel like it's a communication problem. | ||
| The pharmaceutical industry has controlled all the channels of conversation. | ||
| And look, In 2021, the Biden administration banned me for life from Twitter for trying to have a conversation about Fauci's behavior during the AIDS epidemic. | ||
| He banned this antibiotic called Bactrim, and I put out a tweet about it. | ||
| I got a lifetime ban for that. | ||
| So I would have been delighted to share this information with the world in 2021, 2022, but I was banned across social media. | ||
| I was restricted on Facebook. | ||
| I was restricted on Instagram. | ||
| So it's only now, with the Trump administration coming into power, with your courage to tell the truth and with Bobby Kennedy, HHS, that the full story can be told. | ||
| Doctor, we've got to bounce. | ||
| Do you have any social media? | ||
| Do you have a website that people can follow you? | ||
| Or where do they go to find out more about you and more about Bobby Kennedy, this heroic effort at HHS, sir? | ||
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So I have a substack, and it's tobirogers.substack.com. | |
| I published my long-form essays there, and I'd be grateful if you would. | ||
| If you would subscribe, there's free options and paid options. | ||
| I call it Utopian, but it's tobyrogers.substack.com. | ||
| I just want to say how grateful I am to you, Steve, for all the work that you and your team do. | ||
| It's extraordinary. | ||
| I'm so grateful for you to have the big, broad conversations that nobody else has the courage to have. | ||
| Dr. Toby Rogers, thank you so much. | ||
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You're a brave guy, too, as is Bobby Kennedy. | |
| Hey, if we're not doing this, we're not doing our job right. | ||
| Got to put it out there. | ||
| They said so many times, oh, the Wuhan lab just go down one after the other after the other. | ||
| You got to step into the breach. | ||
| This audience demands it. | ||
| I want to thank Birch Gold, too. | ||
| So many things I didn't get to. | ||
| The Federal Reserve, Pete Hegseth, so much more. | ||
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| Modern monetary theory. | ||
| The idea that broke the world. | ||
| Read it and you'll understand why. | ||
| Remember, it's not the price of gold. | ||
| It's the process of how it got there. |
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