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April 19, 2025 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 4425: The Shot Heard Around The World: 250th Anniversary Of Lexington And Concord

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raheem kassam

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steve bannon

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nicolle wallace

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nicolle wallace ▲ ● ▼		Congressman Seth Moulton of Massachusetts.
nicolle wallace ▲ ● ▼		Congressman, as we've been watching, Senator Van Hollen saying, protecting due process, saying this, quote, if you violate it for one, you threaten it for all.
unidentified		Your thoughts?
		That's what people need to remember, is that this can happen to any of us.
		Every American needs to know, as you watch this on TV, that you could be next.
		This administration has no red lines.
		The Republicans in Congress who enable this administration clearly have no red lines.
		Senator Van Hollen was asked about that as well.
		I see it with my colleagues, my Republican colleagues in the House.
		I don't know what their red lines are.
		And so this could happen to you next.
		Look what happened with law firms.
		Look what's happening to the media.
		You are seeing industry after industry get silenced.
		And we're also allowing it to happen.
		When they went after Paul Weiss, the entire legal profession could have stood together and said, you're not taking us down.
		But instead, all the other top law firms, while Paul Weiss was under the gun, they were knocking on their client's door saying, come on over here, the water's warm.
		So there is a method to standing up, but you have to stand up in unison, and that isn't happening.
		We are perpetually...
		I know we're not talking about having balls anymore, but can we still clutch pearls?
		I didn't see it written there.
		I wasn't copying your notes, I promise.
		But there's an element of pearl clutching about when he breaks the rules, almost no matter what the substance is.
		You know, he broke the rules in 2018 and he was separating children from their parents at the border.
		Like, that was breaking a rule that was gut-wrenching that people could see.
		He's breaking the rules now in some cases where people think the rules should be broken.
		We need to distinguish between these two and focus on the cases where the rules being broken really are gut-wrenching for the ordinary voter.
		He's breaking the rules like he did before.
		We went after him.
		We had so many hearings, hearing after hearing.
		It did nothing.
		He got re-elected.
		We won in 2018.
		Well, he lost.
		Right, but now he...
		I feel like we have...
		Fatigue, it's like, oh, God, we're going to do this again?
		What's the new approach?
		He says things like he's talking about immigration, and he said he's going to go after the homegrown terrorists next.
		Didn't he just pardon all the January 6th people?
		Aren't they the homegrown terrorists?
		But you know what's interesting?
		In the first term, I just have this...
		Indelible memory of Stephen Miller talking about wanting to bring down the cosmopolitans.
		And the cosmopolitans are the people who are sitting around this table and living on the coast and enjoyed the surface economy and benefited from globalization.
		And there are institutions that are tied to that.
		Universities, non-profits.
		Research institutions, hospitals, people who have done well with the series of institutions that have come up and the rules that have been established our lives for the course of the last three decades.
		And Trump is saying in all these various venues, he's gonna go after people like bulldogs, whether he follows the rules or not.
		And there's a whole portion of the country that doesn't like what's happened over the last 30 years.
		It's a 30 year problem.
rachel maddow ▲ ● ▼		At that moment, the steeple of Old North Church looked like something was being projected on it.
		As I spoke those words last night on this show about this church, you can see it says there, this is a projection
		Let the warning ride forth once more.
		Tyranny is at our door.
		And then it's a projection, so they can change it over to other things.
		And then there was this one.
		This is quite good.
		I kind of can't believe I didn't think of this myself.
		One if by land.
		Two if by D.C. Old North Church in Boston.
		Tomorrow, on the 250th anniversary of those first battles in our revolution, the 250th anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord, the battles that we won, that started the war, that we won to free us forever from ever suffering again under the tyranny of a king.
unidentified		Lay down your arms!
		You will not run me off of my common!
		Them you will have you all!
		Battalion! Fix your bayonets!
		Shoulder arms!
		Charge up!
		Bayonets! Give way, men!
		Quit the field!
		Quit the field!
		Give way and quit the field!
		Quit the field!
		Fire! Get back in the ring!
		Get back in the ring!
		Make sure your ring gets back in the ring!
		You can't take off your men!
		Damn you, private, back in the ring!
		Get on fire!
		Get back in the ring!
		Fire! What the fuck are you doing?
		What are you doing?
		Do that, sir?
		Get back in the ring!
		Sergeant, control these men!
		Sergeant, control these men!
		Get back in the ring!
		Get those men back!
		That was the one of the others made that last one.
		Steady, man!
		Get back in the ring!
		Private, do not fire!
		Stop the fire!
		Private, get back in the ring!
		Get back in the ring!
		Samuel! Play a rally!
		Pay a rally!
		Return! Retard to ring!
		Get back in the ring!
		Get back in the ring!
		Come forward!
		Come forward!
		Right there!
		Come forward!
		Right there!
		Come on!
		Come on!
		Get back in the ring!
		Find out!
		By the root-rich and arch of blood, their flag to April's breeze unfurled, hear us in battle, The battle
		farmers stood, and fired us shatter'd round the world.
		The whole long sins in silence left, all like the conqueror's silence ceased, and tied the ruined
		bridge as sweat down.
		Down the dark stream with seaward breeze!
		On this green bank, by this salt stream, we set today a holtest stone, that memory
		may their deep redeem.
		When, like our sides, our sons are gone.
		The spirit that make those heroes dare to die and keep their children free, With
		time and nature gently spare, The shalt we raise to them and me.
		Amen.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's Saturday, 19 April, Year of the Lord 2025.
		It's Holy Saturday, but also the 250th commemoration anniversary of the shot heard around the world right there at Lexington Common.
		I really want to give a hat tip to the reenactors.
		That was reenacted this morning.
		It happened at dawn.
		And then at 11 o'clock, I think we're going to be at Concord Bridge.
		It's supposed to be a live event there.
		Overnight, what happened, you had a British expeditionary force under General Thomas Gage that was at Boston.
		Boston was the hotspot of this nascent revolution.
		The colonists basically controlled the hinterland, and you had some hothead revolutionary leaders, particularly Sam Adams and John Hancock.
		And the British were getting more and more concerned after the Suffolk resolves that with the Comedians of Correspondence, which you are the modern equivalent of, the World Posse, that things were spinning a little bit out of control,
		although this is probably only a third of the subjects in the colonies.
		One-third were hardcore Tories.
		One-third, roughly, were in the middle.
		As often in life, and even today in America, to see how this played out, which side they were going to come on.
		It was decided that what they needed to do was to make sure that these hotheads, these colonists, didn't have weapons and didn't have gunpowder, and particularly didn't have the revolutionary leaders and, you know,
		very equivalent.
		To what the Biden regime tried to do with President Trump, you know, put him in jail, put him in prison for, what, 350, 400 years to put his closest folks in prison or try to bankrupt them or deplatform them.
		The imperial power of the deep state and the administrative state.
		Still working its magic in modern America 250 years later.
		It's so analogous as to be scary.
		Of course, the opposition is having no King's Day because they say that President Trump is trying to be a king and this is an autocratic breakthrough.
		So 250 years after this event, and this is one of the most important events, and not just in American history, but world history, because this lit the fuse that started the American Revolution.
		And it was eight years in a tough fight, principally a lot of it guerrilla warfare.
		Today, in Lexington and Concord, as the British, the 750 troops retreated on the long march back to Cambridge and to Boston, they were hit in guerrilla warfare style by people who had learned to fight during the French and Indian Wars as British subjects.
		What they did is they were going to go arrest.
		John Hancock and Sam Adams in Lexington, which was en route to Concord, where there was a makeshift arsenal or, let's say, military stores with gunpowder weapons and other, you know, other military equipment.
		And so they started off.
		They were going to go, you know, in top secret.
		Gage said later he only told two people.
		He told his executive officer, and then they didn't even get the orders to Colonel Smith and Pitt Karen, Smith's deputy.
		His XO didn't even know the orders until the order was ready to march.
		Before on the 18th, Gage later testified he only gave it to two people, his executive officer and one other.
		History are kind of, not myth, but the...
		People, folks point the finger to, is his wife, Margaret Kimball, who was an American citizen.
		She was a Tory, and she had married Gage, I think, years earlier.
		And Kimball had tea late on the afternoon of the 18th with a very close friend of hers, Dr. Joseph Warren.
		These were all kind of, this was the aristocracy in America.
		And Dr. Warren was part of the Sons of Liberty, unbeknownst to Gage and these guys.
		He was one of the top guys in this kind of, not spy network, but network of patriots that were organizing.
		It is alleged at that T in late in the afternoon, the 18th, Kimball told Joseph Warren, Dr. Warren, the plan to send the British in the dead of night.
		to go march to Lexington and Concord to take to arrest Adams and Hancock in Lexington and then go into Concord and take the military stores.
unidentified		Warren
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Warren told Paul Revere, William Dawes, and others, Prescott, to set up the ride, one if by land, two if by sea, to set the signal for the British there at Old North Church about how they were going to come and then ride on the road to Lexington and Concord and inform every house.
		That the British are coming.
		And that's why they laid in wait.
		And on Lexington Common, you saw right there, and I thought it was a great reenactment.
		Supposedly, the person that shot, or at least admitted, or claimed the shot heard around the world was Solomon Brown.
		Kind of a hard-drinking, tough-as-nails patriot.
		It's never been decided who actually fired it.
		Whether the British officers, the British enlisted grenadiers who were nervous or actually the colonists.
		We're going to get into all this today and tie it to modern American history.
		There's so much going on.
		The Supreme Court last night went back all the way to John Adams' Alien Enemies Act and said, put it on hold right now and said, President Trump cannot do that to deport 10 million illegal aliens that have invaded our country.
		All this for the rest of the morning here in the Warwick.
unidentified		For the British Grenadiers.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		be noted today
		That the president, the VP, are not there.
		Part of that, I think, is just given the fact that it's in Massachusetts, and we saw Governor Youngkin.
		In fact, maybe later, my crack production team, we can pull Youngkin at St. John's Church in Richmond for the second hour.
		Governor Youngkin went for Patrick Henry a couple weeks ago.
		Patrick Henry gave me the Give Me Liberty, Give Me Death speech in the church in Richmond.
		St. John's that I believe gave sustenance to the Patriots and this is pre-revolutionaries up in Commonwealth of Massachusetts because it showed that there was at least an element in Virginia.
		In Virginia, Pennsylvania, I guess New York and Massachusetts were the big four, right?
		And showed that at least the South was going to be somehow...
		Potentially united in this.
		One thing about the revolution, when you study this, the enormous complexity and thought that went behind every move, whether it was the British move or the American move.
		I mean, Gage was the expeditionary force commander.
		Very smart guy.
		Kind of sympathetic to the colonists.
		Didn't want to drop a heavy hand.
		It was pushed by London constantly to be tougher on the colonists.
		Today, the actual battle itself at Lexington and then at Concord and then the retreat or the tactical retreat or return back to Cambridge and Boston was nothing short of a catastrophe for the British, although they showed, particularly Colonel Smith, who gets blamed a lot,
		the British commander in the field, his steady hand.
		Kind of patience and courage under fire saved so many of the British and kind of, at least at the beginning, tried to save the rebels.
		Do I have Raheem?
		So a couple of things we're going to do today.
		I've got Philip Patrick laying in the second hour and Raheem Kassam now.
		I always like to, because when you race in the United States...
		The American Revolution is taught one way.
		It used to be now.
		Who knows how they even mention it in public schools with kids.
		But it was taught one way.
		It's later in life as you start to broaden your reading and you read about the massive fights they had in Commons and the massive fights that even the British aristocracy part of it was torn.
		With not just empathy for the colonists, and this is the same time going on basically that India is kind of coming online, and there's certain members of the British aristocracy, and Rahim joins me, that understood and had a vision that this could be the biggest empire in world history,
		bigger than the Roman Empire.
		That the naval supremacy, or the rising naval supremacy of the British, connected with basically the South Asian, you know, the...
		The wonders and riches of India and North America, because they'd already won Canada in the French and Indian Wars in the Plains of Abraham with one of the greatest figures in British history, General Wolfe, defeating Moncombe.
		They thought they were on a roll, but much of the debate, Rahim, was almost like, I call the American Revolution from the British side their Vietnam.
		It was intense and hotly debated and never fully united.
		It's one of the reasons I think King George, at least my perception, you may differ, that King George and his team, he kept putting in tougher and tougher and more maximalist foreign secretaries and they kept putting pressure on the field commanders,
		many of whom like Gage and later the Howe brothers, Admiral Howe and General Howe, were quite sympathetic.
		To the Americans.
		So how are you guys, has it actually taught in England?
		How are you taught about the American Revolution, Rahim?
unidentified		Well, thanks for that question to start, Steve.
raheem kassam ▲ ● ▼		To inform my American friends that we were actually not taught the revolution really at all.
		At least when I was at school, you know, we learned more about MLK than we did your nation's founding.
		And indeed, you know, what I think now as a grown man having, as you just said, done...
		My extended reading and research as I grew up, and especially as I began coming to America and encountering people like you who have encyclopedic knowledge of these events, start to realize actually that this wasn't just an American story.
		It's predominantly an American story, but it's also the story of, really, really, and maybe one day you and I can write this book together, Steve, how the dominoes fell in the UK, leading the UK to be in its current shape today.
		Because, of course, it was the friction between the Whigs and the Tories, the two dominant political powers in Parliament.
		That chasm became bigger and bigger as the War of Independence went on.
		The Whigs were far more sympathetic to the cause of liberty.
		They were far more sympathetic to the colonists and their rights as free-born Englishmen, really, is what they saw them.
		And the Tories were far more intent on cracking the whip, cracking down, bringing these people to heel.
		How dare you?
		We funded the Seven Years' War, the French-Indian War.
		We got you through that mess.
		We're just trying to recoup some money.
		And so British politics at the time really started to come apart at the seams in that moment, too.
		And I suspect that that is why we actually failed to learn it in our history classes growing up as young men and women, because...
		There isn't really a settled narrative about what went on and how it went down.
		And I imagine if actually we try and get to that settled narrative, it's a narrative that most modern British politicians don't want to have to address.
		You have to go back.
		I do it all the time.
		My second book, Enoch Was Right, I talk about the differences between Whiggism and Toryism all the time.
		And actually, it's really funny.
		Because you can see those arguments still raging in the United States too.
		Now, you call them different things, but you can still see the same philosophical arguments raging today.
		It's a shame, I think, because there were so many moments of great historical intrigue.
		You and I talked last night about when Ben Franklin was summoned in 1774 to the cockpit on Whitehall and was harangued and harassed by the Solicitor General, which really marked his moment, his big change in how he approached the separation between the colonists and Britain.
		And there are so many moments that are now being lost to the fact that we don't actually talk about it anymore.
		There aren't really a prevailing number of British historians that deal with that subject matter.
		The pivot to India was very quick afterwards.
		We sort of...
		Turn to that as the jewel in the crown of the British Empire.
		And everything else before that has sort of been swept under the rug.
		We don't like to talk about it.
		On July 4th, of course, we have our fun with it in the same way you guys do back in our direction.
		But in a serious sense, there's a huge gaping hole in British history as far as Britain's concerned.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You know, I want to bring it to contemporary.
		I would actually say that Nigel Farage, the Brexit movement and the reform movement now that's overtaking it, is kind of their moment.
		They missed it a couple hundred years ago.
		But you see it happen.
		Folks, just also remember, please, let's put a couple of pins in things to think about.
		Both the American Revolution and the French Revolution started with kind of the same thing.
		Owing debt, having big debt payments.
		Because of wars and having to raise taxes.
		It was about taxes.
		The French and Indian War, what the British or what the folks in Commons were saying is that, hey, we really went into hock on this thing.
		And yes, the colonists are colonists, but America has got its own kind of economics and we're going to have to get payback.
		We need you guys to pitch in and give a little something for the effort.
		And the Americans, as Americans want to do, not big names in taxes, right?
		Later, the French coming in and essentially bailing us out with capital and troops later in the war, in the eight years, the recognition there was central to victory.
		The money they ran up, they had to call the states general together later to try to figure out how to take more money from the peasants and the church and whatever to pay for their crushing debt.
		Just put a pin in that for today.
		Also, Sam Adams and Hancock, they were going to Lexington to get Adams and Hancock.
		Why were Adams and Hancock such leaders?
		Well, you could argue, and this is maybe a little rough, but Hancock and Adams were two of the freebooters.
		They were opposed, principally not just the heavy hand of government, but also the Crown giving monopolistic charters or writs to things like the British East India Company.
		Rahim, who became so prominent and actually in India with Clive.
		In fact, the way they conquered, really conquered India was through a private company, right?
		Wellington and guys went over, there's young officers in the British Army, quite small.
		It was really Clive and people like that that were officers of the British East India Company, and the Americans didn't like these monopolies.
		They thought the monopolies were way too powerful.
		The last thing, Rahim, I want you to stick around because we've got modern politics to tie it back, but the last thing is that even deals that were talked about, about representation in commons and maybe doing a commons or a parliament in the United States or having representation, besides the demographic they were worried about,
		the Americans overwhelming it, it wasn't enthusiastically grabbed because the Americans thought commons was bought and paid for.
		That it was basically the crown and the aristocracy and the interests like the British East India Company, the monopolist, had bought and paid for commons.
		Are any of these themes relevant today?
		Hey, how about all of them?
		It's kind of the same fight 250 years later.
		Raheem Kassam is our guest.
		We're also going to have Julie Kelly.
		In 1 o'clock in the morning, a.m., Eastern Daylight Time, in the dead of night.
		The Supreme Court let out a ruling last night directly tied to our freedom and goes back to 1798 in the Alien Enemies Act that was in, I think, John Adams' presidency.
		Then it was about the French and the dangers of the French Revolution and the people over here from the French Revolution.
		That was used to ship the illegal alien invaders out.
		The Supreme Court says right now, no way.
		Hey, welcome back.
		It's Saturday, 19 April.
		Year of the Lord, 2025.
		250 years ago today at Lexington and Concord.
		The first shots.
		In the American Revolution, Raheem Kassam is with us this morning.
		England, our closest ally now, after many years, decades, people actually argue.
		I make the point the revolution didn't really stop militarily until Andrew Jackson in 1815, the Battle of New Orleans, which...
		They decimated Wellington's regiments, part of Wellington's army that came here from the Peninsula Campaign where they defeated Napoleon's armies.
		They then came with his brother-in-law and two other major generals, two New Orleans, and still the British were still fighting the War of 1812 because the British were all over the Ohio territories and pressing us in.
		They burned Washington and then...
		Jackson, the greatest military defeat actually in the field ever for the British Army.
		Three major generals died in combat that day, including Wellington's brother-in-law.
		And then there's a whole raft of historical analysis of how the British were, you know, in back of or pushing on the American Civil War with the southern colonies, that the independence of the South was only going to be temporary until they had some sort of hookup with the British.
		Raheem Kassam, to take you to modern times, the issue of taxes, the issue of monopolistic power, right?
		The issue of commons being too corrupt.
		One of the big fights in commons was who was on the payroll and who was not.
		People didn't even think commons actually represented the people.
		I mean, British politics was in turmoil at that time.
		And what's amazing, and you never, I didn't even, you know, like, we're so...
		There's such an angle of attack here when you're a kid, at least back in the 60s, of learning about the American Revolution.
		It's only later, and I think the book I started with was The Revolution Through British Eyes.
		And that was, I think, after I was in the Navy.
		I think it was a naval officer and started to read that as I started to really study Lord Nelson and Horatio Nelson in the Napoleonic Wars.
		It was a time of turmoil, but so many of the issues today, and I argue that Nigel Farage is one of the greatest individuals in the history of British politics because he basically gave the British you, as his wingman, you guys got the British people,
		or united the British people to get their sovereignty back with Brexit, which was the precursor of the MAGA revolution that hit, the tsunami that hit in November of 2016.
	You guys actually won your freedom.
	Quote, unquote, in June of 2016.
	And as you know, we were covering it nonstop with Breitbart.
	You were actually the wingman for Nigel on that great victory.
	But it's fought, you know, you're 10 years later and now you've got the Reform Party and the Tories are falling.
	And it's amazing that it appears all the fights that were in the American Revolution about freedom and having your sovereignty.
	The British people today are in the middle of that against these globalists, and to be brutally frank, an invasion in Britain that is far more insidious than the invasion that took place here.
	And you called it with two books that at the time you were mocked and ridiculed and really ostracized, the No-Go Zone book that you so courageously went to Europe and researched, and then Enoch Powell, which is a brilliant work on a guy that's one of the giants of the 20th century but is dismissed.
	Rahim Ghassam, your thoughts?
raheem kassam ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thanks, Steve.
		It's interesting because nowadays I'll meet kind of mainstream corporate or left media journalists, you know, kind of every day nowadays, right?
		And you've probably experienced the same thing I have in Washington, D.C., at least, where they also kind of want to talk to you behind the scenes and be like, hey, by the way, you got it all right and we got it all wrong and, you know, we'd really like to course correct and all of this stuff.
		And I'll talk to them about this stuff.
		I'll talk to them about no-go zones, about mass migration into the Western world, about Enoch Powell, you know, an extremely contentious subject.
		And they all kind of, you know, whereas 10 years ago, 15 years ago, they would have, you know, got up off the table, thrown a martini in my face and called me a racist and stormed out.
		They all sort of look at me now sullen-faced and go, yeah, yeah, I guess that was right after all.
		And it's really shocking.
		It's not shocking to be right, because we've kind of called all of it all along.
		For us, it's screamingly obvious in the face every single day what is going on in these towns and cities.
		Take even the most heinous parts of it out, which are the rape gangs, Rotherham, Oldham, all across the UK and Europe.
		These atrocities taking place, sexual terrorism taking place across the continent.
		And even if you just look at the very basics of it, it takes us back to our last segment, which is actually Britain never really got to grips with what it was politically after the American Revolution.
		There were moments, there were certainly flashes.
		Of direction and rectitude.
		Churchill is a great example of that.
		The old blitz spirit, as we call it.
		But realistically, there hasn't been an actual trajectory, an actual course for the nation.
		And that's born out of the Tory split.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's go back in time.
		Let's go back in time because this gets to the heart of the MAGA movement's fight against the deep state.
		And against the globalists, the nationalists versus the globalists.
		In the failure, and there were many people not just rooting for the colonists, but saying, hey, these guys may be right, and we ought to apply that to ourselves.
		There was a fundamental basic decision made in that time that England was going to be an empire.
		Before, England was just a small country.
		You know, you had part of France, but you were continually fighting the central powers of the powers in Europe.
		And you were not an empire.
		In fact, the crown always had a tough time paying the bills.
		This is why you guys had guys like Francis Drake and privateers, the Eric Princes of their day, right?
		There was a fundamental decision made by the business entities, the money and the aristocracy.
		And this is why people consider it common so corrupt.
		That we're going to be an empire.
		This is what happened in the United States at World War II.
		We were thinking about it before, but at World War II, we were never supposed to be an empire.
		Our revolutionary generation and framers warned us about this very thing that they saw happening to their mother country.
		Many of these revolutionaries and colonists had deep feelings for England.
		In the debates later...
		A year later, on the Declaration of Independence, which is essentially a declaration of war against the Crown, Dickinson and these guys fiercely went after John Adams because they still had a love for their mother country as Englishmen.
		They were still Englishmen, although they set up a provisional government.
		The English interest, the elites, the oligarchs in England made a fundamental decision looking at India and looking at North America that they were going to be an empire.
		And they had the Navy, and they had a strategy in how to do it.
		And England fundamentally changed.
		They had the Industrial Revolution basically at the same time.
		England changed, and you lost all the...
		Remember, all the discussion about rights and liberty, all this, freedom, all came from our English...
		These were Englishmen that brought that up.
		And that's what's never been grasped.
		And that's what's happening to the United States.
		The same thing that happened in England around that time of the Napoleonic Wars and the drive to become an empire by the elites in the country is what happened post-World War II.
		This is why so many people you meet, Raheem, say, you know, there was no Great Awakening.
		They supported Bush in the wars in the Middle East.
		As Republicans, they just naturally supported tax cuts for the wealthy, wars in the Middle East.
		Just wars because of this expanding empire.
		That's the MAGA revolution.
		The MAGA revolution is the scales come down off your eyes and you say, hey, this is not what this country was ever set to do.
		We were not ever set up to be everywhere in the world to be a policeman and be on all these global institutions and the United Nations and NATO and all these, the World Health Organization, to take the sovereignty for the American people.
		What has our fight been for 10 years here?
		It's to get our sovereignty back.
		What is the fight?
		The Supreme Court last night in the middle of the night said, no, right now, temporarily hold.
		You do not get to ship.
		Even the worst of the worst, forget the 10 million illegal aliens here.
		It's a cancer on our sovereignty.
		And look at the media fighting it.
		This is about empire and about imperial power.
		250 years ago, today, a handful of people said, hey, guess what?
		They're not going to tell us what to do.
		And if we've got to stand here and fight, if we've got to fight on this commons, and later if we've got to fight the foot of that bridge, we'll fight.
		And, you know, it took them eight years.
		And England didn't do that.
		And now that is what Nigel Farage and Rahim Kassam and others now used to be UKIP and now the Reform Party.
		You're, I think, eventually having your revolution that you're not Singapore in the Thames.
		You're actually going to get the independence for England that you kind of let your fellow countrymen take in America and become free at least for a while, at least 200 years before we went down this path of imperialism.
		Sir, your thoughts?
raheem kassam ▲ ● ▼		It was a lot there.
		I think just to start, I haven't even managed to go through the details of the Supreme Court 1am, you know, under the darkness of night.
		Usurpation, really, of justice policy and immigration policy.
		You know, we have spun for the last...
		Weeks and months now in circles arguing whether or not you can have judges making, and it could be the highest judge in the land, like the Supreme Court, but taking executive policy and kind of putting it under their belts.
		And this is just another example of kind of how, exactly what you said, kind of how you end up in a mess like Britain ended up in a mess.
		Because effectively what ended up happening, and here's the thing, when you guys remember and you guys learn about your war of independence, you kind of learn, and not you, Steve, because you've said it very eloquently, but most people kind of just learn like, oh, hey, the king, and he was trying to rule over us,
		and he was dictator, and we wanted to be free, and it kind of wasn't like that.
		The reality was these were one people.
		You can say it was two people because of the distinction over the seas.
		But they were kind of one people and it was a philosophical battle that was really taking place.
		And again, I'll keep coming back to it.
		It was the distinction really between the free-minded...
		Whiggish, more small-L liberal class of people, and those who were loyal to the crown, and who were monarchists, and who understood that British society had only got to where it was because of deference as a concept,
		right? This is what Badgett, I believe, wrote about.
		And it's interesting when you try to unpack how these people, you know...
		They're all kind of pulling in different directions, right?
		They weren't just two factions, they were a multitude of factions.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Right, a multitude of factions, like today.
raheem kassam ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's like, for Americans nowadays, it's sort of hard to see how the Brits back then would have been like, well, you know, of course we shouldn't be following in their footsteps.
		But Samuel Johnson, I think it was, who said, you know, how can we hear the loudest yelps of liberty from the drivers of Negroes?
		And so there was all of this pent-up...
		Concern over what the colonists were doing, how they were approaching the implementation of liberty, and I think it bears You know, decades and decades more study into this, because as I said right at the beginning of our conversation about this,
		we haven't actually learned it in so very long that actually it's lost to us.
		We don't know those arguments.
		The House of Commons today is nothing like the House of Commons back then.
		The people in power today are nothing like the people in power back then.
		And what you're seeing with Nigel Farage and with the Reform Party is actually a movement that is rooted in...
		Probably more wiggishness than even I'm comfortable with.
		You're probably more of a wig than I am.
		I consider myself a small-tea Tory.
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		Birchgold.com slash ban at the end of the dollar empire.
		That is what the American empire is based upon today, is our military and the United States dollar.
		Well, it's weakening and it's losing its 9%, I think, already this year.
		The spending's got to get under control, folks.
		You're not going to do it until you get the spending under control.
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		Raheem, thank you for joining us this morning.
		It's so amazing how many of the issues that were driving the fight for independence back then are still today fighting, you know, in this fight for independence.
		And I see, just like back at the Revolution, there are...
		These are unbridgeable gaps.
		The progressive left is a dyed-in-the-wool globalist.
		They want this country's sovereignty sucked away.
		And it's not a debate, right?
		They're not going to listen to you.
		And so we're down to a political fight, and one side's going to win and one side's going to lose.
		Your thoughts, sir, on this Saturday?
raheem kassam ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think for all of the people out there, and I know there are lots of you out there who kind of think, you know, surely we'll at some point come to an accommodation, surely at some point there will be a compromise, surely at some point the nation will come together.
		Well, listen, I hate to break it to you, but right now, in this very moment, you have, I would say...
		Predominant majority of the Democrat Party, its institutions, its think tanks, its elected representative and its base all over the country that are more in favor of foreign terrorist groups and people,
		whether it be gangbangers or Hamas, than they are in favor of the United States, its constitution, its manufacturing base, its own people.
		And until and unless you recognize and internalize that, then in my estimation, you will always be living in cloud cuckoo land.
		It is a fight.
		It is a fight to the finish.
		And the finish line looks like what the country ends up being like, right?
		And this Supreme Court decision this morning, it's a hurdle.
		And nobody should be slumped in their chairs and thinking, oh my gosh, we've lost this fight.
		It's a hurdle.
		And it's just another hurdle that we'll have to leap.
		You guys are used to it now.
		Your calves are well-trained.
		Your quads are well-trained.
		We've done it through many election cycles now.
		We face it in the United Kingdom as well in 2029 with the general election coming up there.
		You know, Nigel has another hurdle ahead of him on May the 1st, a couple of weeks' time.
		We're fighting these together.
		We're fighting them at the same time.
		And the other thing to know is that, well, whereas once upon a time, I think people like you and I, Steve, were kind of voices shouting into the wilderness at a certain point.
		I know President Trump certainly was, especially when he was talking about tariffs and trade, you know, when he was on Oprah in the 1990s or whatever, and people kind of scratched their heads and look all, I believe you used the word, corn-fused at him.
		And now look, you know, whether it's Brazil or El Salvador or what's going on in Germany or France or Italy or whatever, right?
		Suddenly, we find ourselves with more than just being lone voices in the wilderness.
		And I think, you know, the perfect analogy, right, for your war of independence, which was at the very start of it.
		You had a cadre of ragtag idealists who just were out there screaming, hey, you know, this ain't gonna happen, not on our watch.
		And really, I mean, from the British Parliament all the way through to the colonists living next door to these people, people like Jefferson were saying, what the heck are you talking about?
		And over time and with patience and with, you know, with eloquence.
		And stick-to-itiveness, they actually ended up forming a majority of people who ended up changing history forever.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a major day in history.
		Rahim, thank you on a Saturday.
		I know you're incredibly busy.
		How do people get all the great...
		Yeah, I'm here.
raheem kassam ▲ ● ▼		We just put up a story on thenationalpulse.com just now.
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		Matt Gaetz show last night as well where we talked a little bit about this Bukele and Van Hollen stuff.
		So lots going on.
		Don't miss a beat.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The great Matt Gaetz, the great Raheem Ghassan.
		By the way, Raheem, once again, great job on the books and great job on your fight with Nigel Farage to get the independence, get the sovereignty of the British people back for them a couple hundred years after we got ours.
		So thank you so much, sir.
		Appreciate you.
unidentified		Thank you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're going to be doing a lot of coverage of the 250th.
		60 days from now, one of the Sons of Liberty, Dr. Joseph Warren, one of the most prominent figures in the early part of the Revolution.
		60 days from now, the retreat after Concord Bridge when they got back to Cambridge and Boston.
		Two months from now, the siege of Boston and Bunker Hill.
		So this thing starts rolling and picking up speed.
		Leading to July 4th next year, the 250th commemoration anniversary of the declaration of war against the British crown, the declaration of independence, and the assault of the British, the largest expeditionary force ever sent anywhere to the American colonies,
		and the slugfest that took place in the first six months of the revolution.
		Remember, folks, always and everywhere, we had to fight for this.
		It wasn't given to us.
		It was not given to us.
		And these giants that we stand on the shoulder of, and the giants are not just the intellectuals and the elites on the revolutionary side, it is also the common man, people like Solomon Brown, in Lexington Common today, 250 years ago on this very day.

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