April 15, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| The great Eric Bolling. | ||
| Tonight, we're going to start with a cold open, but we're going to Georgia. | ||
| We're going to Georgia. | ||
| We're going to talk to our own Brian Glenn is there about a, I don't know, pretty wild town hall maybe on the horizon at 6 o'clock. | ||
| Let's get the cold open and get rolling here in the war room. | ||
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Let's give you the headlines of the news coming out of China. | |
| There's a report that China has told its airlines to halt deliveries of new Boeing aircraft as well as parts. | ||
| Now, this is one report. | ||
| It has not been confirmed by the state government, at least not in a statement yet. | ||
| Just for some context, China has taken delivery of 18 Boeing aircraft this year, 18 new aircraft, but the order backlog is immense out of China. | ||
| And when you look at it, they've got 128 named orders, hundreds more that are in the queue but have not been named to specific Chinese airlines. | ||
| There's also a report with regard to tariffs that is going to catch a lot of attention. | ||
| Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary, a friend of the Squawk Box crew, he told the FT today that there is every likelihood they may delay Boeing aircraft deliveries due to tariffs. | ||
| And this is what we've heard more chatter about within the last week, guys, that airlines are going to say, wait a second, I got to pay a tariff on this aircraft? | ||
| Maybe I don't need it right now. | ||
| You hold on to it. | ||
| Now, this is just the comments of Michael O'Leary, but this has been percolating. | ||
| Under the surface a little bit within the airline industry, that as this tariff war heats up, the implications for Boeing, for Airbus, there could be large ripple effects. | ||
| This administration is just saying, sorry, we just can't do anything about it. | ||
| What does that say to you about where we're going to be? | ||
| This is where this segment and the segment you just completed intersect. | ||
| Move the United States with all of its institutions toward a more authoritarian form of government where the president ignores the courts, rules by decree. | ||
| You need to hold your party in Congress together because Congress becomes the way of protecting you from what the courts can do, which is an issue summons is for contempt, civil or criminal. | ||
| If you want to hold your party in Congress together, you'd better deliver relative economic success so they're not all sweating that they're about to lose 40 seats in the next midterms and face a defeat so big that even Gerrymandering and friendly judges in places like North Carolina and Wisconsin can't help them. | ||
| But Donald Trump is not doing that. | ||
| He's not holding up his end of the bargain. | ||
| In his first term, Trump mostly avoided doing anything too stupid with the economy until the second half of 2018, when he started doing tariffs that were pretty small compared to those he's just instituted. | ||
| In this administration, he's begun wreaking havoc on the economy from the beginning. | ||
| We've had financial panic. | ||
| So far, it's not showing up in the real economy, mostly because people in business have warehoused large amounts of inventory, so we're not going to start running under tube socks just yet. | ||
| But by mid-summer, the real economy is going to be failing it. | ||
| You are going to see layoffs. | ||
| You're going to see rising unemployment. | ||
| And you're going to see Republicans in Congress sweat. | ||
| So Trump has not, as usual, thought this through. | ||
| He's made a very ambitious bid for... | ||
| Executive power ignoring the courts while his economy is about to fall apart underneath. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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Mega Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| It's Tuesday, 15 April, year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| President Trump and the losing of Congress. | ||
| This is their new, you know, they've done the financial panic. | ||
| Nothing's happening there. | ||
| They did the signal chat. | ||
| Nothing's there. | ||
| Now they're in the constitutional crisis with the courts. | ||
| We're going to have Margo Cleveland on from the Federalist in a few minutes. | ||
| I want to go to Brian Glenn. | ||
| Brian, where are you? | ||
| I notice you're not at the White House this afternoon. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
| Not today. | ||
| I am in Ackworth, Georgia. | ||
| That is up in the 14th District, Congressional District here in Georgia. | ||
| Let's try to get it rebooted. | ||
| Brian, you got us now, sir? | ||
| Yep. Do you hear me? | ||
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Yeah. I've got you loud and clear. | |
| Okay, you're coming through very choppy, Brian. | ||
| You want to try that again? | ||
| Where are you this afternoon? | ||
| You're not at the White House. | ||
| Mackworth, Georgia. | ||
| We're going to reboot. | ||
| Brian, we're going to reboot you to make sure that we get it across better because it's coming in too choppy. | ||
| This is too important. | ||
| Brian Glenn. | ||
| It's down with MTG. | ||
| They're going to have a town hall. | ||
| MTG's not backing off. | ||
| You know, the RNC and other people are saying, don't have town halls, don't have town halls. | ||
| There's a big protest down there, MTG. | ||
| She's got a spine of steel. | ||
| She's going to go into it tonight with her constituents and take on all comers. | ||
| So we're going to get back to Brian when we get a better hookup. | ||
| We're also going to have MTG live a little later in the show. | ||
| Let's go to, we have Natalie Winters. | ||
| Let's go to Natalie. | ||
| Natalie, you've got some breaking news out of the White House. | ||
| Of course, everybody skirts clean here about attacking President Trump. | ||
| And, you know, we started, we had the, or Eric Bolling had the big sob story coming out of Maryland. | ||
| You know, Maryland, man, all the politicians are going to fly down to El Salvador to go to the prison to bring the gang member home that President Trump rightfully... | ||
| Sent to a prison in Central America. | ||
| You've got a breaking story on some of your analysis on one of these judges. | ||
| What do you got for us, ma'am, of people trying to block President Trump? | ||
| Well, may I just say, Steve, that I wish Republicans in Congress would be the MAGA fire breathers that all of the MSNBC hosts talk them up to be. | ||
| Maybe they should use that as some inspiration. | ||
| I think this country would be in a much better place. | ||
| The so-called authoritarian takeover that President Trump is trying to roll out over a bunch of weak, spineless Republicans, I think it would be in a much better place. | ||
| I would just point you to the $37 trillion deficit. | ||
| But all of that aside, although I guess it's maybe all interlinked because I guess the best that Congress can do We have another judge, | ||
| the judge who's now responsible for blocking what would be the removal of over 500,000 people here, CHNV parole program. | ||
| This is a Boston district judge, an Obama appointee, of course, Indira Tolwani. | ||
| But what is you can probably guess so interesting about her, she has volunteered on several Democratic campaigns. | ||
| This is, of course, exclusive reporting for you guys here in the war room, including but not limited to knocking doors, holding signs and phone banking on behalf of people like President Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren. | ||
| But even more concerning, in 2012, she received an award from the Chinese. | ||
| The audience may be semi-familiar with this group because they've funded Black Lives Matter. | ||
| But they've actually have deep, deep ties to the Chinese Communist Party, particularly in their founding. | ||
| They were founded by a group of pro-Mao Marxist militants, and there's really been a through line. | ||
| They continually praise not just the Chinese Communist Party and in turn get glowing coverage from Chinese state-run media outlets, but their founders have praised essentially the cultural revolution. | ||
| And just to add yet another conflict of interest to this, like I said, Judge, who is trying to advocate to keep hundreds of thousands, Of illegal aliens in this country. | ||
| Her brother has repeatedly been involved with and held events, headlined events, with the ACLU out in Montana. | ||
| But you have to remember, the ACLU is really the railhead of a lot of this pro-open borders stuff, particularly when it comes to the lawfare against President Trump and even some of these parole programs. | ||
| So this is, yet again, the latest example of a radical rogue judge who is stepping in the way, trying to stop President Trump from deporting. | ||
| I was about to say criminal gang members. | ||
| That's a whole other vertical, but in this case, probably just criminals and maybe some gang members. | ||
| You know, I can tell from the – there was a smattering, the same type of kind of hapless protest there were when I spoke out in Colorado. | ||
| You know, you have these Democrat socialists and some of these other people. | ||
| It's the First Amendment, right? | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| It's a little bit pathetic if that's all they can – I have noticed, though, a shift. | ||
| And this is not about the deportation of the criminal element. | ||
| But already, and I don't think, you know, I don't see we're going gangbusters on deporting, on mass deportations, of which we're a strong advocate for here in the war room. | ||
| But I notice on the left they're starting to pick this up. | ||
| There's tons of footage on the Rachel Maddow. | ||
| All these protests are going around. | ||
| They're talking about, oh, we're trying to get ahead of, we're here for mass deportations. | ||
| Specifically, what was it that the Trump administration was trying to do of these four or five hundred thousand people that the judge specifically blocked? | ||
| What was the Article II action that the president took as chief executive officer, as commander in chief in the armed forces, as the chief law enforcement officer? | ||
| What was he trying to do that was blocked? | ||
| Well, I think that's sort of what the crux of this is, right? | ||
| If Joe Biden was allowed to, with the stroke of a pen, allow these people to grant humanitarian parole, become more or less sort of de facto citizens, President Trump is not being gifted that same right. | ||
| You don't even have to go full-blown unitary executive theory, I think, to believe that you should have, shall we say, reciprocity and equality in terms of what presidents can do. | ||
| But I think that you're very right that this is the issue that the kind of left-wing shock troops have honed in on. | ||
| We think that there is a very interesting distinction because Now you're hearing the term, right, concentration camp come up a lot. | ||
| They're starting to really go full-blown. | ||
| It snowballs fully down the hill in terms of smearing what they're doing in El Salvador as really brutally repressive and the, you know, UN Geneva Convention idea of whatever human rights may be. | ||
| But remember what they did the first term. | ||
| They were much more focused and honed in on divesting from ICE, divesting from companies that were working with ICE. | ||
| They were really trying to use the sort of, you know, corporate blackmail structures. | ||
| Right? Sort of Delinking whether it was federal contracts or just opposing these companies that were collaborating with what they viewed as sort of enablers of President Trump's first term agenda in terms of the deportation or curtailing immigration numbers. | ||
| And I think it's just quite interesting that we really have yet to see that whole effort spring up. | ||
| I'm not saying we won't. | ||
| I think inevitably we will. | ||
| But it seems like right now they're sort of just assembling. | ||
| And I think that, you know, on the ground protests, or at least that's what all the, you know, dark. | ||
| I think the important thing, too, to stress, and I think, like you said, the deportation numbers need to be higher, they need to be a lot higher at that, is that I think we also need to see criminal prosecutions, if not just investigations, into the elites who rolled out the red carpet for these people, | ||
| right? It's not just retribution to go after the people from Mexico or Honduras or any of the parole countries, right, Cuba, Haiti, whatever. | ||
| You have to go after the NGOs, the politicians, the Democrat operatives, even the foreign money who allowed these people, and not just allowed, but flew them to the fricking southern border to allow these people into the country. | ||
| And I think that is what is missing from the current kind of effort to go after this, because make no mistake, if you don't go after those people, they will come back with a vengeance. | ||
| Whenever they regain power, and if they will flood this country, 10 million will look like child's play. | ||
| They'll do 10 million a year. | ||
| So I don't understand why we have not seen investigations, or at least like you say, just one name from somebody who has committed the worst acts, not just criminality, but outright treason on the southern border. | ||
| And I think that focusing on that, I would like to see those protesters try to... | ||
| Cover for those people, I think, that you can have a more sympathetic appeal when you're talking about, you know, some Maryland man, which we know is not a Maryland man, but going after these NGOs, I think, is the right thing to do, and I don't know why they haven't done it. | ||
| Natalie, I'm going to ask you to hang on. | ||
| We're going to come back, we're going to go to Margo Cleveland, so you're talking about the constitutional crisis. | ||
| I'm going to bring you back after that. | ||
| I want to drill down on this, because I'm seeing this theme. | ||
| Across many areas of the Justice Department, FBI, people we support. | ||
| But, you know, the mass deportations have not started. | ||
| And I think people are starting to ask questions, this whole thing about the NGOs. | ||
| And we see how powerful this is. | ||
| The other day, the Catholic bishops, who have been doing this for over 50 years, announced they were dropping the whole program. | ||
| Why? Because the federal government finally cut off the money to the NGO, to Catholic charities. | ||
| You have to go after these NGOs now. | ||
| You have to basically break this apart. | ||
| You have to start investigations. | ||
| The reason is you have to assume for planning purposes and for sense of urgency, you're not going to be here forever. | ||
| We intend to be here forever, but you can't act like that. | ||
| This is the FBI, the DOJ, DHS. | ||
| I mean, we've got to get on with it. | ||
| And this issue about the NGOs, where we actually go, where we're focusing on our time. | ||
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| Okay. There's all this talk, RNC, and they're all on MSNBC and the New York Times and CNN and BBC everywhere that the Republicans are afraid to have town halls. | ||
| One person that is not afraid is Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
| One of the reasons she's such a prominent fixture in leaders in MAGA and someone that the President of the United States listens to for advice and asks for guidance on certain issues is because she's fearless. | ||
| Brian Glenn, you're in Georgia today in her district. | ||
| What's going to happen at 6 o'clock, sir? | ||
| Okay, I'm out in front of the Ackworth kind of a convention center they have in this town. | ||
| It's up in the 14th district in Georgia. | ||
| It's probably one of the newest areas that have been... | ||
| So this is kind of a newer MTG area. | ||
| But starting at 6 o'clock, she's going to hold a town hall. | ||
| So it's only allowed, unlike some of the other town halls you might have seen held by Republicans, they have not had proof that you actually live. | ||
| She's only letting people in. | ||
| Show your ID. | ||
| Prove that you live in this district. | ||
| You get to go inside. | ||
| They expect about 300 to 350 people inside this area. | ||
| Now, there is some protesters, and I'll post up the video. | ||
| They're just across the street with their little chants, and we expected that. | ||
| They expect over about 400, Steve, protesters that are organized to come out here and make their voices be heard. | ||
| And, of course, Marjorie expects a few to sneak. | ||
| We've got air support, ground support, dog support to keep this area safe. | ||
| But there will be some protesters, and I see them, but we'll see if they just stay outside and they don't get inside the convention center here. | ||
| They're First Amendment rights. | ||
| It's a sad group. | ||
| I've seen them the last couple of speeches. | ||
| It's quite sad, but hey, it's a First Amendment, a free country. | ||
| Let's hear what you've got to say. | ||
| MTG can give as good as she gets, so I anticipate it might be a little fireworks at the town hall, but she's brave enough. | ||
| That's why I think people love her, because she's brave enough to step into the arena, Brian Glenn. | ||
| Yeah, she's not afraid to confront them. | ||
| If they want to have a conversation at this town hall, she's more than likely she wants to do that. | ||
| But if they show disrespect or they start to shout and scream, be disruptive, I can promise you they'll get a first-class escort. | ||
| Outside this building and be sent right home. | ||
| But she does encourage feedback. | ||
| And she is taking questions from the crowd. | ||
| They've got a system to do that, to make it orderly. | ||
| You know, she's not afraid to do that. | ||
| But we've seen other Republicans get their town halls basically shut down. | ||
| And I really think, Steve, because a lot of these Republicans don't have the support in their district so that when... | ||
| Disruptors, Democrats, go to these town halls. | ||
| They're able to take them over. | ||
| I don't think that's going to happen here tonight. | ||
| We just, the doors opened a few minutes ago. | ||
| Look, some of these other, the ones, MTG's in this fight and she's been in this fight. | ||
| And she's a little bit of a street fighter. | ||
| So she's, and she's quite savvy. | ||
| This is not her first rodeo. | ||
| She's been in this and she's been, so she knows when you have to plan these things, you want to hear from your constituents. | ||
| She's, what I love about her. | ||
| She's not shying away from a town hall. | ||
| She's going to do it in an organized manner so she gets feedback. | ||
| Not going to let it turn into a circus. | ||
| That's because she's smart and she's tough. | ||
| Brian, we'll come back to you, maybe MTG, hopefully before. | ||
| If not, we'll see you back here at 6 o'clock to set the table for us. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Will do. | ||
| Thank you, Brian Glenn. | ||
| Brian Glenn normally draws... | ||
| White House duty. | ||
| He's at the town hall today, which I think will be pretty electric. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| We've got a cold open for our next guest. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play it. | ||
| So he wants to send American citizens to foreign prisons where U.S. legal protections don't apply at all, where people can be held for the rest of their lives without ever having a day in court or any sort of process. | ||
| He says Attorney General Pam Bondi is, quote, studying the laws right now to see if he really could do it because he'd love to do it. | ||
| It was only last week on Thursday when the Supreme Court ruled unanimously 9-0 in favor of a man named Kilmar Abrego Garcia. | ||
| He's a legal resident. | ||
| He's a Maryland father. | ||
| The Trump administration admits they sent him to that prison in El Salvador by mistake. | ||
| The Supreme Court effectively ordered the Trump administration to facilitate this man's return to the U.S. from that El Salvadoran prison without explicitly defining what that would look like. | ||
| The Trump administration has insisted that they can't return him, and they don't intend to. | ||
| They said that the man's fate is up to the president of El Salvador for some reason. | ||
| Today in the Oval Office, it was a reporter who finally asked El Salvador's president if he would please return this man to the United States. | ||
| The El Salvadoran president called the question, quote, preposterous. | ||
| Of course he wouldn't. | ||
| So we have here a Constitutional nightmare, a legal nightmare, obviously a moral nightmare. | ||
| Cheryl Eiffel is the former president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. | ||
| She has been sounding the alarm about this. | ||
| She has argued that Trump will start testing constitutional limits by trying to deport U.S. citizens from American prisons to places like El Salvador, and that Americans, in order to stop that slippery slope where it is, | ||
| Must take on the challenge of caring about and standing up for U.S. prisoners. | ||
| Quote, many of us have been working on how to legally head off this nightmare, but public outcry and support will be essential. | ||
| Are you ready to march for the most despised members of our society? | ||
| Will you call your representatives about those who are imprisoned? | ||
| If you can't feel for them or their families, remember that this is just a stage in a plan that will land ultimately at our own doorsteps. | ||
| Every one of us deemed inconvenient by this administration will be under threat. | ||
| And every time Trump is successful, he grows more emboldened and more convinced that nothing can stop him. | ||
| The notion that the Republican Party is going to say a Supreme Court ruling, especially a unanimous one, Is optional, is both unsustainable and ludicrous on its face, even to the Trump voter. | ||
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I agree, but I think that you are going to see an increasing attack on the Supreme Court because of these rulings. | |
| Absolutely. I mean, the issue is going to be sort of the conversation between us, the sort of political reality of whether it drives poll numbers down and the populace says that's absurd. | ||
| But I think the Supreme Court is going to be in for the same kind of attack that we saw on the lower courts, that we see on the media, that we see on anyone who stands up to Donald Trump. | ||
| I mean, it's completely baseless, but you're going to see sort of Donald Trump looking over to Bibi Netanyahu, who has had his own attacks on the Supreme Court in Israel, thinking, That's what we should do. | ||
| We should narrow its jurisdiction. | ||
| We should think about packing the court. | ||
| We should talk about impeaching judges, which he's already talked about. | ||
| I mean, that's another way of undermining the rule of law. | ||
| But one of the ways is what we saw in the Oval Office. | ||
| I mean, let's just get real about what happened. | ||
| That is a thumbing of the nose at the Supreme Court ruling. | ||
| To say you are ordered. | ||
| To facilitate the return of somebody. | ||
| And do you know what was not addressed at all in the Oval Office and has not been addressed in court, in the district court? | ||
| Has the administration even asked the president of El Salvador, who is in the Oval Office, to return him? | ||
| El Salvador president said, you know what, I can't do this unilaterally. | ||
| I can't smuggle him in. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| He's sitting there saying, I can't unilaterally do this. | ||
| You do not have this country even asking. | ||
| How is that in any way complying with a Supreme Court decision that says you have to facilitate his return? | ||
| I mean, it's as simple as that. | ||
| That one question has not been asked. | ||
| Okay, Margot Cleveland joins us from The Federalist. | ||
| You wrote an article that you said that the Supreme Court's weak and timid decisions are driving us to a constitutional crisis. | ||
| You saw it right there. | ||
| Weissman's essentially accusing not just the show but yourself of being one of the – we're being some of the instigators in back of President Trump. | ||
| Your comments and observations, ma'am? | ||
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There were so many things in those clips that were blatantly, factually false. | |
| That I can't remember them all. | ||
| He wasn't, Garcia was not a legal resident. | ||
| The Supreme Court did not order him to be returned to the United States. | ||
| They did not order him to facilitate the return of Garcia. | ||
| They ordered him, excuse me, they also did not rule against Trump. | ||
| They actually ruled for Trump by saying, look, that order that said you had to facilitate. | ||
| And basically obtain his return or was beyond the authority. | ||
| And we are going to cut out that time frame and we're going to send it back for clarity. | ||
| The only thing the court did is it said, we want you, judge, to clarify your directive. | ||
| And the judge hasn't clarified her directive. | ||
| The court also did not say you have to facilitate the return. | ||
| The court said it was appropriate to order Trump to facilitate the release from prison. | ||
| The entire order of the Supreme Court was cagey. | ||
| It was giving half directives, half recommendations, so much so that you have all of those people On the left, going on air, saying blatantly false things about what the court ordered. | ||
| Margot, hang on for one second. | ||
| Hang over one second. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Margot, Cleveland from The Federalist lays it out. | ||
| So shocking that the left-wing media would actually lie about facts. | ||
| However... Her point, and her deeper point, is that the decisions and opinions of the Supreme Court are leading us to a constitutional crisis. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| be back in a moment. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| President Bukele, and I look forward to meeting with him. | ||
| I've requested to meet with him. | ||
| I reached out to the ambassador here to ask to meet while he's here. | ||
| But I've also made clear if we can't meet here, I do intend to go to El Salvador to discuss the release of this individual who is illegally detained. | ||
| A Maryland man who's the father of three in a notorious prison in El Salvador. | ||
| And I believe the president of El Salvador will recognize why it's important to allow him to return to the United States of America. | ||
| Because it is absolutely unjust. | ||
| Is it illegal to have this Marylander detained one more day in a notorious prison in El Salvador? | ||
| Of course President Trump could have just said, you know, bring him home. | ||
| Of course he could have done that. | ||
| But this is an administration that has lied about Mr. Cabrera Garcia, right? | ||
| The Vice President of the United States tweeted out that he had a criminal record. | ||
| That was a lie. | ||
| They're just lying. | ||
| They've gotten caught lying. | ||
| They don't want to admit it. | ||
| And they have an obligation to bring him home, but I will say the President of El Salvador should not now take it upon himself to say that he is detaining him for one more day because that is kidnapping. | ||
| I understand that the Attorney General said that we would provide a plane to bring him home. | ||
| So all the President of El Salvador has to do now is hand over and release an innocent man and let him come home to his family. | ||
| Okay, Margo, Cleveland joins us. | ||
| She wrote this amazing piece at the Federalist, how we're hurtling towards a constitutional crisis, but it's because, let's be blunt, the wimpy nature of the opinions of the Supreme Court in their action. | ||
| So, Margo, there, it's not a member of the media. | ||
| It's not Weissman or Rachel Maddow. | ||
| That's a United States senator from the state of Maryland. | ||
| What do you have to say to him, ma'am? | ||
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So what he's actually talking about is something he could do that Trump could do. | |
| But the difference is we have a judge, a district judge, saying, you must do this. | ||
| And that's where the constitutional crisis is. | ||
| Yeah, Trump very well could say to the president of El Salvador, look, release him, we'll bring him back, and we will then deport him to a third country, which is exactly what should happen. | ||
| From a political, a practical standpoint. | ||
| But once a federal judge got involved and ordered Trump to facilitate the release from prison, which involves ordering the president to engage in that conversation with a foreign official, | ||
| that's where Trump had to put his foot down. | ||
| I actually don't disagree with everything that that politician said. | ||
| I agree that the president of El Salvador could do that, that we would fly him back. | ||
| But he was not an innocent individual. | ||
| He did commit a crime illegally entering the United States. | ||
| He maybe wasn't convicted of it, but he was not a legal resident. | ||
| And he will be removed once that happens. | ||
| The court's telling the president of the United States, you have to ask. | ||
| Maybe you have to ask pretty please. | ||
| Sugar on top. | ||
| Maybe just do this for me. | ||
| That is none of the court's business, and Trump should be putting his foot down on this. | ||
| So talk to me about this. | ||
| You make an argument in this article, and Grace and Mo, let's make sure we get it up into the chat rooms. | ||
| If Carly Bonet would also put it out, we'd appreciate that. | ||
| And Elizabeth, I want as many people to read this as possible. | ||
| It comes strongly recommended by Mike Davis, the viceroy. | ||
| Margo, you make a deeper case here. | ||
| You say we actually are hurtling to a constitutional crisis because the court is what? | ||
| They're not making strong opinions. | ||
| They're making the wrong opinions. | ||
| They're being too wimpy. | ||
| I mean, what are you recommending they do? | ||
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That they say what the Constitution says, which is Article 2 is within President Trump's authority. | |
| Instead of sending this case back and telling the judge, you need to clarify your directive giving due respect to the president and his foreign affairs, they should have sent it back and said, no, you cannot order the president to engage in any type of diplomatic relations with El Salvador. | ||
| Period. Instead, the way they sent it back, I think I read it 10 times, and it took me 10 times to figure out what they actually said and didn't say. | ||
| But you know what the district judge said? | ||
| The district judge said, the Supreme Court affirmed my decision. | ||
| It did not affirm her decision. | ||
| They are being mealy-mouthed. | ||
| They are not saying what the Constitution says. | ||
| And they're saying, clarify what you mean. | ||
| The Supreme Court is acting like Article II and Article III respect each other. | ||
| And they don't. | ||
| And they don't because Article II, the president, has been making presidential decisions within his authority. | ||
| And you have judges who have been appointed by Obama and Biden who are going way beyond their authority. | ||
| And every single case that has made it to the Supreme Court in two and a half months, the Supreme Court has put the brakes on the lower court. | ||
| They haven't outrightly said we're reversing, but they have done something that gave Trump a win. | ||
| And the problem is... | ||
| That is only allowing these lower courts to think they can still continue this and get away with this. | ||
| And we're going to see that in this case. | ||
| The judge is going to order the Trump administration to do certain things and to disclose certain information. | ||
| She had a hearing today. | ||
| And from people who were there, the conversation was, we're going to depose you and we're going to find out what you asked the El Salvadoran president. | ||
| That's none of her business. | ||
| That is not the court. | ||
| It's not Article 3's business. | ||
| Trump is going to have to refuse to answer that and go through the appellate process. | ||
| She's on the cusp of ordering him to show cause why he should not be in contempt. | ||
| Why? Because the Supreme Court of the United States refused to say, no, you can't do this. | ||
| Instead, they said, well, it was a little bit unclear and you really should be cautious. | ||
| That doesn't work anymore. | ||
| These judges are activist judges, and they are going to go way beyond their authority. | ||
| And they're going to push us to the part where you have Article 2 having to say, no, I am not going to ask them to release this prisoner, period. | ||
| You can't tell me to, and I'm not going to. | ||
| And that is going to have to get up to the Supreme Court. | ||
| And if they don't come down and say, point blank, you can't do that, that's going to be our constitutional crisis. | ||
| Because they think it's prudent to let it play out. | ||
| It isn't. | ||
| It is not prudent. | ||
| It is making half of America disrespect the court and the other half disrespect the president because they don't understand the separations of power. | ||
| Well, maybe they do understand. | ||
| I mean, the left is cheering this on. | ||
| Would I be out of line and saying, because you see it every night, I mean, MSNBC spends at least 50% of their primetime hours on lawsuits in front of federal judges who are giving TROs or injunctions for the whole nation and the rest about these issues that are going to the Supreme Court. | ||
| I mean, they're egging this on. | ||
| Like you said at the beginning of your segment. | ||
| All the facts that they repeat like a mantra over and over and over again about this case absolutely happen to be dead wrong. | ||
| They know what they're doing. | ||
| This is information warfare. | ||
| Do you think conservative media is doing a good, War Room included, is doing a good enough job of covering these? | ||
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Well, you know, frankly, it's hard because there are so many of these cases. | |
| There's over 100 cases. | ||
| And on my Twitter account, I try to keep a constant update of what the cases are and what's happening in them. | ||
| But it is impossible to track that many cases. | ||
| And it's legal stuff. | ||
| Because I am a lawyer, I am able to quickly read and process them and catch kind of these key distinctions in the cases. | ||
| So, like I said, all of those Supreme Court cases, they actually were ruling for Trump. | ||
| They were just doing it in kind of backhanded, tricky ways so that they didn't have to say Trump wins. | ||
| You guys are doing it the wrong way. | ||
| I don't know that there's a possibility of even doing it right because there's too much. | ||
| It's too detailed. | ||
| It's too complex. | ||
| And the best we can do is when there's a clear case like this is to push back and say, no, you're lying about what's going on in Garcia. | ||
| If you just pull up the Supreme Court order, what Andrew Weissman said was that they ordered him to be facilitated to return to the U.S. It's not in there. | ||
| It's nowhere in there. | ||
| The only thing it says is the order was right about facilitating his release from prison. | ||
| But even that was based on the presumption that Garcia is being held because we're paying for it. | ||
| And we asked them to hold him. | ||
| And I think that's absolutely wrong. | ||
| Garcia is El Salvadorian. | ||
| Why would we pay for El Salvador to hold their own prisoners? | ||
| The reason we were paying El Salvador was because of all of the Venezuelan gang members that we couldn't ship back to Venezuela. | ||
| So I think even the Supreme Court was based on the record that made it look like we had something to do with him being in that prison. | ||
| And I don't think that's the case. | ||
| So I guess that was a long way to get to. | ||
| It's too complex for everyone to push back on. | ||
| We've got to find the cases where it's clear that we can point out that this is blatantly false and that we can show it in black and white so they actually listen as opposed to this is a conspiracy theory, this is a mega person, we'll just ignore it. | ||
| Margo, you talk about it's the wimpy or timid. | ||
| I think you call it, responsible for the Supreme Court. | ||
| Do you anticipate Roberts, the Roberts court, particularly how Roberts has run this thing and now he's got ACB as a wingman, do you anticipate that's going to get any less timid? | ||
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I keep thinking it's going to. | |
| I thought it was going to after they did the first punt, which was involving a gentleman named Dellinger, but then they did the same thing the second time and the third time. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think you're going to change Roberts and Barrett from being the prudential hands-off justices, which, frankly, I think is a good approach in most cases. | ||
| But in this case, it's not, because it is giving the lower court judges carte blanche to do anything. | ||
| So I don't think you're going to find them moving away from their timidity. | ||
| But when forced... | ||
| I do think that they're going to order and rule the right way, which we did see in every single case that has come up there, that they actually stopped what the lower court was doing that was beyond its authority. | ||
| So I wish I could be more hopeful, but the best I can say is they're going to rule in the right way when they finally have no option. | ||
| Margo, how can people get onto your Twitter feed and follow you throughout the day? | ||
| Because what we need is a constant news service to update on all these myriad of cases, because all these are important in their own way. | ||
| Where do people go, ma'am, for your social media and your writings? | ||
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Yes, so I am writing at The Federalist, and on social media I am on X at Prof MJ Cleveland. | |
| And at the very top I have pinned all of the Supreme Court dockets. | ||
| And I usually throughout the day, if anything substantial breaks, I constantly am getting updates from the different cases. | ||
| I probably have 20 of them in my email just while I've been chatting with you. | ||
| And I post not just my thoughts on it, but the original documents so that you can see that I am telling you it the way it is. | ||
| Margot, fantastic and great service to the country. | ||
| Really appreciate you and look forward to having you back, ma'am. | ||
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Thanks so much for your time. | |
| Margo Cleveland over at The Federalist. | ||
| This, as we told you, the courts are the tip of the spear. | ||
| Natalie's done a great job of how they're trying to do the color revolution and how they're playing up every protest. | ||
| You're about to see one. | ||
| When MTG goes to do her town hall, they're going to have protesters outside. | ||
| They had protesters outside last night in Greenville. | ||
| It was kind of sad. | ||
| Right? But they still had them. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Natalie's still with us. | ||
| The great Brian Glenn is around. | ||
| We're going to go live to MGG's MTG's Town Hall in Georgia. | ||
| Also, hopefully we've got plenty of time to do this. | ||
| Talk to some truckers about certain issues next. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| Okay, so much activity in capital markets. | ||
| And as we get down, we're going to get into big time on the big, beautiful bill of cuts. | ||
| We had Russ vote on today. | ||
| I want to thank Russ. | ||
| He's getting ready to do a rescission. | ||
| It's under $10 billion, it looks like, but it's got PBS, NPR, some of the USAID. | ||
| So it's not as big as we hope, but it's a start. | ||
| Capital markets are going to bounce around. | ||
| One of the big weapons of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And big breaking news as we came on the air right here is, guess what? | ||
| Nvidia was just announced that Nvidia cannot sell. | ||
| I got this right. | ||
| Nvidia is not able to sell. | ||
| Breaking news. | ||
| Nvidia says the U.S. government has banned them from selling the H-20 chips to China for the indefinite future. | ||
| Stock is down over 5% of the news. | ||
| I'm not saying this is the equivalent of cutting the Japanese off from oil in July and August of 1941, but let's say it's directionally the same. | ||
| This is hardball. | ||
| We told you we've been arguing for Smash Mouth. | ||
| I think we just got some from the U.S. government. | ||
| Natalie Winters, I want to talk to you about what Margo Cleveland said and also... | ||
| You've been following these NGOs, why we're not on the attack. | ||
| But first, since you've done such great work on the Chinese Communist Party, this is the Trump administration throwing a punch, is it not, ma'am? | ||
| Absolutely. Like I always say, the only president who, at least in my lifetime, has actually taken on the Chinese Communist Party with, I think, a level of clinical detail that the media always misses, either intentionally or because it goes over their head. | ||
| President Trump understands the United Front Work Department, the political warfare, what really undergirds what they have done to this country, which is the axiom of infiltration. | ||
| As opposed to invasion, the idea that you see codified all over People's Liberation Army text being that the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. | ||
| And I think what we've learned from these tariffs, from even moves like this coming against Nvidia, is that we were sort of living on borrowed time, right? | ||
| We were living in this suspended reality whereby we thought we were okay, we were sufficient from the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Meanwhile, they were waging economic warfare, information warfare, lawfare, and in some cases... | ||
| I think the spy balloon is kinetic warfare, and I think what was going on at the southern border was kinetic warfare, too. | ||
| But what we have is a president who actually understands the gravity and these sort of fifth-dimension warfare tactics that the Chinese Communist Party is using against us, and that this happy talk of, oh, well, what would war with China look like, and, oh, the Thucydides trap, | ||
| and, oh, Trump's trade war, that ship sailed. | ||
| We are at war with China, and it's nice to have a president who finally understands that. | ||
| You then agree with the thesis, the unrestricted warfare that they've been attacking us for decades, and now the People's War that they called in 2019. | ||
| In your observations and analysis, there's no doubt we're engaged in something far deeper than just tariff and trade, ma'am? | ||
| Oh, absolutely not. | ||
| I mean, I think their goal is not necessarily to have the White House, you know, fly the Chinese flag. | ||
| They just want everyone who works in there to have graduated from a higher education institution that's bankrolled by the Chinese Communist Party, have worked for political candidates who were, you know, working with fundraisers tied to the Chinese Communist Party, like we just found out today. | ||
| And Boston have people and their families reliant on pharmaceutical drugs that are manufactured in China, have distorted propaganda news outlets that are essentially carrying... | ||
| I think from 2000. | ||
| To like 2010, 2015, before Trump entered the stage, they were very content with just reframing the narrative about China's so-called rise and that it was beneficial, a boon to the United States of America. | ||
| But I think in recent years, you've seen them sort of weaponize and escalate their propaganda efforts here in the United States. | ||
| To blow past just how the United States and Americans conceive of China. | ||
| But more importantly, they want to really shape and I think almost pervert the way that the United States, that our citizens, our fellow citizens, look at this country. | ||
| And I think that's why you see them kind of pop up, whether it's funding like we were talking about earlier. | ||
| A lot of these BLM movements, these far-left progressive movements, they always have a hand in these culturally destructive and subversive forces. | ||
| Because they're playing to win. | ||
| They're playing for keeps. | ||
| They don't like the idea of a bipolar world order. | ||
| They are keen on a unipolar world order, a unipolar world order whereby the United States is not on top. | ||
| And you see it. | ||
| I didn't see any media outlets melting down about what they were doing with the Belt and Road Initiative. | ||
| But all of a sudden, you know, President Trump says, oh, well, maybe we're going to take the Panama Canal and they're apoplectic and they're melting down. | ||
| And by the way, for all these people who are melting down over what's going on in the El Salvadorian prison, I suggest you take a trip to Xinjiang and see what China's done with the Uyghurs. | ||
| You probably won't be too happy. | ||
| And just one point on that, Steve, too, after Margot's interview, I think it's important to underscore the reason why we have to ship these people overseas is because the Biden regime systematically underdeveloped and in some cases shut down. | ||
| And for four years, but especially after President Trump won, these left-wing lobbying groups and activists who are funded, probably by the Chinese Communist Party, but certainly Open Society Foundations, a sort of left-wing apparatus, they were lobbying to Trump-proof this country, | ||
| the mass deportation agenda. | ||
| Remember, how many shows did we do on that? | ||
| That was the railhead of their ability to Trump-proof. | ||
| The government, they wanted to nullify and neuter his mass deportation agenda. | ||
| So they essentially set this trap. | ||
| Right, the constitutionality of the foreign deportations. | ||
| And I think my message would just be very clear. | ||
| If they don't get the deportations right, you turn this country into El Salvador. | ||
| And if you don't get the lawfare counter-programming correct, going after these law firms, going after the deep state, me, you, and a lot of people who watch this show, and a lot of administration officials, and probably President Trump, are going to end up in an El Salvadorian prison. | ||
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Amen. I tell you what, we're going to hold Mike Lindell through the break. | |
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to leave you with the right stuff of a classic book of new journalism. | ||
| It was not a novel. | ||
| New journalism by Tom Wolfe. | ||
| A magnificent masterpiece of a film by Philip Kaufman. | ||
| Of course, Academy Award winning music by Bill Conti, Mike Lindell, Natalie Winters are going to stick around. | ||
| We're going to go, hopefully, to a town hall. | ||
| MTG throwing down a bunch of protesters, her constituents. | ||
| It should be a wild one. | ||
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Also, I think we're going to have time to introduce you to some truckers. | |
| Short break. |
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