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March 29, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4374: And There's More. The Heckles Of The Left; Breaking The Back Of Lawfare
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rachel maddow
That is blocking Trump from sending anybody else to that El Salvador prison the way that he did those several hundred men.
It remains to be seen if the courts will also order Trump to return those men from El Salvador.
But just in case Trump had designs on sending people to yet another random country to which the deportees had no connection, a federal judge tonight in Massachusetts has blocked him from doing that.
Want more?
There's more.
Today, also, a federal judge has blocked Trump from shutting down the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
Trump had tried to fire most of the people who work there and then told the remaining people who were still there that they were not allowed to do any work.
And then he shut down the physical headquarters of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
But now a federal judge has issued an injunction blocking Trump from doing any of that.
She has, as of tonight, ordered Donald Trump to instruct the government to reinstate the employees of the CFPB and to preserve the agency's contracts and their data.
But wait, there's more.
On Trump's week one botched and incoherent order to cut off all federal spending, all federal grants, now a federal appeals court has upheld the lower court rulings that shut him down on that.
on Trump's ham-handed White House proclamation that all so-called probationary employees had to be fired from multiple agencies.
Oh, do you want more?
Do you want more?
Because there's more.
Just before we got on the air tonight, we got a late-night ruling from yet another federal judge who has issued yet another ruling blocking Trump, this time on one of his authoritarian fantasy executive orders by which he targeted a major mainstream U.S. law firm.
This is a scene in New York City earlier this week, protesters with signs reading, Paul Weiss, Cowards of the Year, and Paul Weiss, Profiles in Cowardice.
Paul Weiss, what will you tell your children?
Paul Weiss is not a man.
Paul, Weiss is a law firm.
And two weeks ago, after President Trump issued an executive order terminating federal contracts with Paul Weiss and suspending security clearances for the firm's lawyers, Paul Weiss caved.
The firm went to the White House and signed some sort of deal with Trump, made some sort of deal with Trump that includes them giving tens of millions of dollars in free legal work to causes that Trump supports.
As I mentioned at the top of the show, Trump has been picking on law firms one by one, threatening them, trying to scare the legal profession into not challenging him in court and not representing people he's targeting.
And even as rich highbrow firms like Paul Weiss and now Skadden Arps have gone to Trump and offered him tens of millions of dollars in free legal services for his chosen causes to try to save themselves while he attacks the legal profession and the independence of the judicial system.
These two firms I believe ruining their reputations and likely ending their businesses in the process of doing this.
Turns out the rest of the legal profession is wiser.
The rest of the legal profession is realizing it's time to fight.
The first firm to fight back was Perkins Coie.
Now today, two more.
And at least thus far, they're winning.
Today, Jenner and Block and Wilmer Hale both sued Trump after he signed executive orders that also targeted them.
Tonight, in two separate courtrooms, two separate judges sided with the firms and blocked Trump's actions against them, at least for now.
Trump is attacking the rule of law by attacking the machinery of the law.
So much depends on how the lawyers at the center of this attack choose to respond.
And experts who see this sort of autocratic breakthrough and the effort to try to change fundamentally the legal system in this way say that the timing on the fight back really matters.
It's basically now or never.
This is from Scott Cummings, professor of legal ethics at UCLA Law School.
He's studied the decline of legal systems in autocracies.
Professor Cummings says this, quote, In the U.S., the window for action is closing.
And when it does, there will no longer be opportunities for meaningful action against the lawyers in charge of this radical democratic takedown.
Once this happens, as it has in other autocracies, the bar will be captured by the regime and levers of influence will be eradicated.
The clear lesson from these regimes is that a wait-and-see approach does not work.
And attempts at appeasement end up facilitating autocratic consolidation.
Ultimately, democracies die when people lose hope that change is possible.
We must not succumb to this pessimism.
Say that American lawyers and law firms should learn the autocratic legal playbook in reverse, basically to be able to anticipate it, to be able to proactively fight against it.
In practical terms, what would that look like?
unidentified
Well, I think in practical terms right now, they're way out ahead, right?
I mean, they've run far out ahead of the opposition.
I think people are starting to catch up.
We need to do the same to protect democracy and to prevent the playbook from being successful in this particular case.
You know, I think that what learning the playbook in reverse looks like now is to really...
Think ahead, right?
To put yourself in the mindset of an authoritarian leader like Trump and to think ahead at what steps they want to take and where they want to go.
And I think if you look at autocracies that have consolidated around the world, and people talk a lot about Hungary because a lot of the Trump lawyer team has studied Hungary quite intensively.
If you look at what happens in the future, right?
A few steps ahead.
In every single one of these countries, the...
The important point to remember is that, and none of them do leaders do all the things that Trump is doing, take aim at all of these independent institutions, and then just walk away and call a new election.
They're doing this to stay in power permanently.
And so in practical terms, what we need to be doing now is to think about what it would look like for Trump to try to stay in power permanently and to start to protect the democratic institutions that will prevent that from happening.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
Mega Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
It's Saturday, 29 March, in the year of our Lord, 2025.
We are live here from our Denver studios.
I should say Denver adjacent studios down in Centennial, Colorado.
The Real America's Voice headquarters.
Just absolutely amazing facility, amazing team here.
Got to meet a lot of the folks today that we yell at every day.
All in good spirit.
You saw right there, and we've been telling you that this confrontation, one of the primary lines of battle here is against these kind of neo-Marxist judges in the legal profession.
The judiciary, this radical judiciary is the anvil.
The deep state is the hammer.
And that's what we're going to try to crush the MAGA movement and President Trump and President Trump's second term in doing.
We have Julie Kelly here.
I thought Rachel Maddow, from their perspective, gave a pretty good tour de horizon on everything that's going on.
Folks, you understand, we're engaged in this legal fight across many, many, many fronts.
Essentially... Everything you love about Days of Thunder, everything you love about Flood the Zone, whether it's letting go of personnel, cutting costs, withholding money from certain areas, deportation of criminal elements, even the prosecution of the war as commander-in-chief.
Of all those, if we go back to the unitary theory of the executive, chief executive officer of the U.S. government, commander-in-chief of the armed forces, chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer, go back.
Always remember the railhead of the theory here.
All the actions we're taking down every vertical is in a federal court and being hotly contested.
And sometime now, as Julie Kelly's going to tell us, heading to the Supreme Court.
In addition, Rachel Maddow's absolutely correct.
The machinery of the legal profession that is tied up with these neo-Marxist judges, this radical people who think they're beyond the law, are being confronted head-on.
Scadden Arps.
I think probably the most revered white-shoe law firm on Wall Street in New York City now basically agree with President Trump to $100 million of pro bono work after Paul Weiss, the powerhouse behind the scenes, already cratered.
Yes, there are some of the more radical, particularly Perkins.
Perkins always understand their partners are probably going to go to prison, so that's why they're fighting so hard.
I want to bring in Julie Kelly.
Julie, first off, give us the big picture.
Rachel Maddow did a pretty good job there.
We're fighting everywhere, and there's a new federal judge popping up all the time to try to slow down President Trump because their theory is to delay is to deny.
Julie Kelly, your thoughts?
julie kelly
Yeah, I'm not sure what Rachel Maddow thought she did in that segment except sort of make our point that these unelected, unaccountable, lifetime partisan political operatives on the bench Are undermining, yes, our democracy,
which Rachel Maddow has cried about now for the better part of four years, related to January 6th, and thwarting the will of the American people who elected Donald Trump to do precisely what he is accomplishing or attempting to in these executive orders.
So who is trying to overturn the results of an election now?
Rachel Maddow, the Democrats, and of course all of these judges.
Now, the district court rulings have really prevailed over the past few months, but now they are headed towards the appellate court and a few matters before the Supreme Court, which we will get to.
But there's been sort of a split outcome at the appellate court.
I'm not following every single case, but I'm following most of them in Washington.
And, for example, this week we had a three-judge panel, and that's how it normally goes.
You go to a three-judge panel.
They make a decision, and then whoever believes in party can ask the full court to consider the appeal.
So earlier this week, in a 2-1 decision, the appellate court upheld Jeb Bosford's ban on the deportation of Venezuelan terrorists.
steve bannon
Hey, Julie, hang on one second.
I just want people to know, the frontline judges in the—first off, the frontline judges, 50-50 or maybe even 60-40, frontline judges are against Trump on the district level.
But at the appellate level, particularly in D.C., the appellate level is essentially all Obama.
Clinton and Bush judges, right?
So when you go to the appellate court, there's only a handful of judges, and they pick randomly a three-judge panel.
Normally, you're always outgunned at least two to one, and that's why some of these decisions, we traditionally lose two to one.
Your choice then is to go en banc, is what it's called, to have a full, the entire appellate court.
But even there, that takes additional time, and even there, you normally lose.
What you're trying to do is just set up some legal precedent.
It's for something you're trying to do at the Supreme Court, correct?
julie kelly
Yes, and usually those en banc requests are denied anyway, and they certainly would be in this case, I assume.
To your point, the D.C. Circuit Court, so the district court is the lowest level, the circuit is the appellate court, both of those courts have Obama appointees as the chief judge, Deb Bosberg, as the district court, and three, I'm sorry, I don't want to say his last name, is the Obama judge who is the chief judge of the appellate court.
So those requests, if the Trump administration is seeking them, will be denied.
So they skipped that part with the Alien Enemies Act temporary screening order.
Filed a motion before the Supreme Court yesterday.
This is the Trump DOJ asking the Supreme Court to consider an emergency motion to put a hold or stay.
On Bosford's two temporary restraining orders, he issued March 15th.
Now, yesterday, important note, based on a request by the ACLU, who's representing the Venezuelan terrorists, Bosford extended his 14-day temporary restraining order, another 14 days.
It was set to expire today.
So now, a temporary restraining order...
is basically acting as a preliminary injunction.
steve bannon
Exactly. Which is the next move.
julie kelly
I know this is complicated, but which is the next move now the ACLU is preparing a preliminary injunction motion.
I don't know why bother, because he keeps prospered, continues to extend the TROs.
At any rate, now the OJ has now petitioned the Supreme Court to take up their emergency motion, and Chief Justice John Roberts has set the deadline for 10 o'clock.
Tuesday morning for response by the ACLU as the appeal process was now with the highest court.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
Hang on one second.
I'm going to hold you through the break.
Julie Kelly joins us on a Saturday morning here as the lawfare continues unabated.
This is why there needs to be, the House needs to step in here and have some hearings with these judges answering questions like Judge Louie Gohmert said yesterday.
Short break.
Back in a moment.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
*Dramatic Music*
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
We've got Julie Kelly with us by phone.
Julie, one thing for the audience to note is that unlike some of the other efforts in this mass lawfare against President Trump, Judge Roberts and the Supreme Court agreed to take this one on the emergency docket, ma'am?
julie kelly
Well, they, for now, are asking for a response by Tuesday.
So we'll see what happens with that.
Not sure if that indicates that they will take it up.
I think this happened in another case, and they picked it back.
So, and to allow the actual appellate decision to continue.
So this appeal just relates to the emergency stay or hold on temporary restraining orders.
But they have to really appeal the entire matter, whether a court at all has the authority to rein in the president, clear presidential authority, executive authority, to invoke the Indian Enemies Act and deport suspected terrorists, which is what this proclamation did on March 15th.
So there's sort of two different things happening.
But look, we already saw Justice Roberts, who jumped to Jeb Bosford's defense.
Immediately after the president and others called for his impeachment, said he don't call for impeachment over the disagreement of judicial decisions.
That's not what this is.
If you disagree with the judicial decision, this is brazen, flagrant politicking by Jeb Osberg, who already has a history of saying political things in court.
I've already documented that, especially related to January 6th defendants.
He calls January 6th an insurrection incited by Trump supporters.
He attended President Trump's arraignment in Washington, D.C. on the J6 case.
Obviously, we already know the ties of his family members, his wife and his daughter, apparently working for a nonprofit that directly defends illegal aliens, including suspected PDA illegals from Venezuela.
So we'll see what the Supreme Court does.
But in another appellate court decision, I can give a little bit of good news.
The same panel that upheld Bosford's ban on deporting Venezuelan terrorists yesterday overturned two district court rulings, including one by Daryl Howell, saying that the fired members of two boards, the Merit System Protection Board and the National Labor Relations Board, Trump had fired a member of each one of those boards, that the fired members appealed.
The district court upheld it, including Carol Howell in the case of the fired National Labor Relations Board member.
In a 2-1 decision yesterday by the same panel, by the way, they reversed those two lower court judges, Judge Howell, and said, of course, firing board members, firing members of boards that are under the purview of the executive branch is presidential authority.
It's not...
Unconstitutional, as Farrell Howell said.
It's not illegal, as Farrell Howell said.
So that's a little bit of good news.
steve bannon
But hang on, hang on, hang on.
That's massive good news.
Remember, audience, one of the biggest things that we are contending is that the Office of the President and the President of the United States, as Chief Executive Officer under the Unitary...
The administrative state, particularly the alphabet agencies, report.
They're not independent agencies.
They actually report to the executive.
They report to the office of the president.
Therefore, they report to Donald J. Trump.
If he wants to fire him, he can fire him.
I mean, that's the important basis of this, isn't it, Julie?
Yesterday's ruling was quite important.
It's the first time I've seen in a federal court that somebody's really set up the fact that the president can start to fire.
Certain board members, at least, in the administrative state, ma'am?
julie kelly
Correct. Now, of course, we did see the same appellate court reverse Amy Berman Jackson in her reinstatement of Hampton Dellinger, the Biden-appointed head of the Office of Special Counsel.
He sued the Trump administration after he was fired, claiming that he's a presidential appointee of Bill Biden and had a five-year term.
DOJ, of course, came back to the administration and said, "No, you're in a presidential position with power." Of course, he handled federal workers'complaints and reinstated successfully 5,500
So, you know...
As frustrating as this lawfare is, it's sort of useful to clarify, bring some clarity and finality to these debates because we are creating case law now that gives the president a firm legal judicial foothold in explaining what he's trying to do in cleaning up the executive branch.
I do see some upside to all of that.
steve bannon
In narrative war, just remember what Rachel Maddow and the color revolutionists are doing.
This is the two concepts of autocratic breakthrough and then autocratic consolidation.
They're saying we're using this to have breakthrough and then we'll consolidate power afterwards, particularly getting the law firms to kowtow.
Is it your belief that they've seen enough victories?
Because remember, To delay is to deny.
Okay? They want to play this out.
Do you believe they're seeing enough good news come out of going to these district courts, now even filing a civil suit in the Signal chat case that people are saying, oh, it's got criminality underneath it?
Oh, the law firms, three of the big law firms are now fighting back in court.
Do you believe that the opposition here is seeing enough wins and enough traction, at least, in the federal court area that they're going to be doing?
julie kelly
Absolutely. And you and I talked about this after Chief Justice John Roberts made his comment about impeaching judges.
First of all, it's not his place to comment on that.
Not the judiciary's role to intercede or interject in other decisions that are left to the other.
One branch, the legislative branch.
So he was way over a season out of his lane, but he's buddies with Jeb Bosford, so that's why he said it.
But yes, I think that that statement and these victories in the district court, some of these egregious decisions.
Replacing the president, a district court judge, decisions that we have always considered under the purview of the president.
And having these unknown, for the most part, district court judges step in, most of them Democrats, of course.
To subvert and sabotage the president and his agenda, yes, I think we are going to see more of this, unfortunately.
And to your point, yes, to delay is to deny.
But also, this really hamstrings the Department of Justice, who has a lot of other things that they want to be doing, including internal investigations into the previous DOJ and FBI.
But now they have to dedicate all of this time and resources fighting back.
I don't even know how many lawsuits we have now.
Four dozen?
I think around there.
steve bannon
Almost 50. Yes, and there are going to be more.
There are going to be many more.
Julie, we'll let you get...
It's a Saturday morning, and that means Julie Kelly's on the tennis court.
Julie, we'll let you get to your tennis game.
You notice Julie doesn't go through hair and makeup on a Saturday morning.
It's sports day.
unidentified
Julie, I know you're putting stuff up on Substack.
steve bannon
Where do people go to get all your content until we see you early next week?
julie kelly
It is tennis and pickleball day, just so you know.
So I met on at Julie underscore Kelly, too, in Declassified.
I've got a big piece up on Beryl Howell last night, Declassified with Julie Kelly on Substack.
steve bannon
Thank you, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
Great work.
I want to go back to Judge Louie Gormert.
We had Judge Gormert on the other day.
It doesn't have to be an impeachment.
Remember, you can call them into the House to talk about good behavior.
is being worked on over this weekend.
I think we're going to see some developments.
We have to.
I actually strongly believe that Stefanik is not going to the UN.
It's not just about holding the seats.
And we're going to have Florida 1 and Florida 6 on here in the second hour and hopefully even get maybe some Wisconsin.
Stefanik's not there simply because they're concerned about that seat up in Saratoga, up in upstate New York.
I think they need some stiffening of the spine and some focus over in the House, as Elise Stefanik brought into October and November and December of 2019, when we first started this show.
We started this war room impeachment, specifically because nobody on the right, no media was really covering this.
We started covering it, and I can tell you from our coverage at the time.
It definitely changed in the House when Elise Stefanik stepped up to the sticks as a young woman and really took charge of that.
We need the House of Representatives to get involved here.
And they can get involved in a couple ways.
Number one, about funding of these radical district courts and these radical federal judges.
The other is like Judge Gohmert said, you can bring people in for questioning, for basically a public deposition.
Doesn't mean you're going to impeach them, but you're going to discuss what's going on.
So right now, Kind of the breakthrough we've got.
Judge Roberts has asked for papers on Tuesday to decide whether it's going to be on the emergency docket of the Supreme Court or not.
And this is the one that is about President Trump being commander in chief, of getting these illegal alien terrorists, criminal terrorists out of the country.
You would think the lowest, simplest bar in the deportations of 10 million illegal alien invaders.
They're using the courts.
And as Rachel Maddow just did at the cold open walkthrough, they're now, I think it's 48 or 50 in different venues.
And wait till they start getting into the state courts.
Folks, they're using lawfare just like they use lawfare on stealing the 2020 election, on J6, on everything you saw against President Trump in 2021, 22, 23. It hasn't stopped.
And it's not going to stop until you stop it.
This is something I pound the tables on all the time.
In fact, they're doubling and tripling down.
You heard Rachel Maddow.
And there's more.
And there's more.
Like she's selling Ginsu knives.
That's a heckle to us if you didn't understand that, folks.
She's heckling you.
It's time to get serious about this.
We have to break the back of lawfare.
If we don't do it, you're not going to have a republic.
It's quite evident.
See what's going on in Brazil?
And this is why I'm adamant.
They want to see Trump still in prison.
They're just wetting their beaks right now.
Short commercial break.
We'll be back in the war room.
Hopefully we track down the Jack Posovic down in Texas at the Natal Conference next in the war room.
unidentified
It's over, only true.
Now and day, only one.
steve bannon
Tonight, the big leak, if you haven't seen it, is President Trump in doing the tax plan.
Guess what?
unidentified
He's thinking about raising taxes on the wealthy.
steve bannon
And I know our wealthy are patriotic enough to want to do that, right?
Come on, guys.
Work with me.
unidentified
Did, did, did, did, did, did Bernie Sanders do that?
steve bannon
Or, or...
Did Biden do that when they had the House, the Senate, and the House Nancy Pelosi, Chuckie, Chuckle, Schumer, and Biden?
They put out a plan to tax billionaires, didn't even get out of committee.
It's all performative, and you know why?
The billionaires control the Democratic Party lock, stock, and barrel.
Like they control Polis and his entire clique here in this state.
They're nothing but oligarchs.
And in fact, Polis and these guys are just factotums for oligarchs.
So in 2028, I made my endorsement.
It's Trump.
unidentified
A man like Trump comes along once in a nation's history.
Hell, we're blessed by God in heaven and have had two.
We had General Washington at the birth of the nation, the revolution and the birth of this country.
steve bannon
We had Abraham Lincoln at the rebirth of this nation.
unidentified
And we had Donald John Trump to make America great again and renew this nation.
steve bannon
If we lose the house, and don't think we can't lose it, people start...
unidentified
Leaning on their rakes and saying, hey, Trump's in there and I've seen all this great stuff.
steve bannon
Well, yeah, dude.
unidentified
But look at Florida 6. Look at Elise Stefanik.
steve bannon
She's a hero.
She's a patriot.
She's been thinking about that UN job forever.
And she went, you know, and she said, hey, if I've got to do it, I've got to do it.
unidentified
I've got to stay in the House because what's going to happen in the House is going to be brutal over the next year.
Right? And look in Wisconsin.
steve bannon
They're up there.
If they win that Supreme Court judge vote on the 1st, They're going to take two seats right away.
Redition them.
That means if Louisiana and North Carolina hold, which I think it will, that means we have to basically, if the redistricting is holding those states, we then have to hold New York and California.
Or Hakeem Jeffries is going to be Speaker of the House.
And Hakeem Jeffries is going to raise $2 billion or $3 billion because he's up there telling all those billionaires, you give me the money, the first thing I'm going to do in the first week of January 2027 is impeach Donald Trump.
They're going to do it.
You watch.
They're going to do it.
They have no plan.
unidentified
It's destroy Trump and imprison the people around him.
steve bannon
And if they were to steal the 2028 election, if they're to steal the 2028 election, they will put Trump in prison.
They're all big shots.
They're all big shots because Tina Peters is a middle-class woman that gave her son up for a country.
A gold star.
A gold star mother.
Think about that.
A gold star.
The most revered demographic we have in this nation.
Equivalent to awardee of the Medal of Honor.
Right? And what do they do?
They have her in a prison tonight.
And they're going to transfer her to a worse prison.
I guess a jail tonight and a prison on Tuesday.
Well, I got a recommendation.
I know President Trump's working and people are working.
It's very tough because Polis and these guys are dug in.
So I got a solution.
Cut off all federal money to the state of Colorado until she's free.
Shut down the Federal Reserve Bank.
Take that court.
unidentified
There's no law of physics.
steve bannon
I want to shut it all down.
unidentified
You get nothing until she walks out a free woman.
steve bannon
And then you apologize to her.
Last night, and I want to thank the GOP in Colorado, because they're going to take this state over.
Polis is so outside the mainstream, he's embarrassed and humiliated the state over the last year.
But he's going to get ground up in the Democratic primary.
They're going to point out how radical he is, from transgender ideology to what he's doing.
Remember, the whole reason we're going to the Supreme Court on Tuesday is Polis.
He allowed that terrorist group to have a headquarters here in Colorado.
President Trump had to come out during the campaign to talk about it.
So, last night, and Tina Peters, I mean it 100%.
If the local authorities won't work with President Trump and DOJ and President Trump's White House, then hey, cut off all the money.
There's a Federal Reserve branch of a Federal Reserve bank here.
I think the branch of Kansas City, the Kansas City main fed...
You know, main bank.
You know, the feds spread out throughout the country.
Minneapolis, Richmond, Dallas, Kansas City.
I think San Francisco's got one.
They got a branch here.
They got a federal court.
Shut it down.
Shut it all down.
Cut off all federal money until she walks free and they apologize to her.
It's time to play smash mouth.
These people, that's all they understand.
If there's a way to negotiate with them, if there's a way to reason with them, they're beyond reason.
You can't, you know, the Bible says, let's come reason together.
Can't do that with these people.
They're radical neo-Marxists.
Right? You want to see the destruction of this country.
They've got radical ideas about culture.
They've got radical ideas about the economy.
They've got radical ideas about our sovereignty and our territorial integrity.
You can see it right there.
I want to bring in Tej.
Tej, good lord, man.
I need a cup of coffee.
I've got to get a refill here.
We're traveling, and even here in the Denver studios, they've got Warpath Coffee.
Talk to me about the coffee.
Make me feel better.
I got Poso coming up talking about saving Western civilization.
He gave a great speech last night down in Austin, Texas.
He's going to join us here momentarily.
Tell me about Warpath.
Awesome. By the way, why the hell?
This is the first time.
Hey, I don't have that on my glass.
Why in the hell did you shave your beard?
I can't even recognize you.
Where's my Taze Gil?
Why'd you shave that beard?
tej gill
Springtime. I always shave it in springtime and grow back at the end of the summer.
steve bannon
Okay, good.
For winter, I got it.
tej gill
Got to make them happy once in a while.
steve bannon
Tell me about the coffee.
tej gill
Warpath Coffee, it's the best coffee out there.
It's literally the best coffee out there.
If you look at our website, it's warpath.coffee.
We're approaching 8,000 five-star reviews.
They're all real reviews.
None of them are paid for.
We send out reviews.
After you buy coffee two, three weeks later, you get a review.
And we're actually approaching 8,000 five-star reviews on our website, which is pretty amazing.
We cannot roast the coffee fast enough.
We are constantly roasting and trying to get more beans.
It's crazy.
The War Room Posse has supported us like you wouldn't believe.
It's insane.
And people absolutely love the coffee.
The dark roast, it's called Mariner's Blend.
I called it Mariner's Blend because you were in the Navy and I was in the Navy.
I know you actually love that coffee.
The breakfast blend, my wife and I created in the summer blend.
The summer blend is a Jamaica Blue Mountain-based coffee.
It's really smooth.
It's got a little bit more dark notes than the breakfast blend, but it's not as dark as the Mariner's Blend.
And then we've got chocolate, vanilla, hazelnut.
We've got a holiday blend.
The holiday blend, we used to only keep in stock during the...
The holidays, you know, for Christmas time.
And we're running that year-round now because people are constantly emailing us saying that they want to buy the holiday blend and subscribe to it year-round.
So the holiday blend we're running all the time.
We've got Trump tumblers.
They're stainless steel tumblers.
They're made in USA by Liberty Works in Washington State.
So we try to do, of course, the coffee comes from overseas.
There's not coffee grown in the U.S., but like the mugs, the T-shirts, the hats, we do made in USA.
Even the ceramic mugs, we do Made in USA.
People absolutely love it.
And we've got an espresso.
The espresso is called Italian Frogman Espresso.
I created that one.
It's a light roast espresso.
It's super smooth.
You can drink the espresso black.
You don't need any milk or sugar or cream in the espresso.
Italian Frogman Espresso.
And that one is flying off the shelf too.
It's crazy.
steve bannon
No, we're going to run a competition then.
We're going to run a competition this spring between My Mariner's Blend, the dark roast, and your Frogman espresso.
It's good because those are two of the people that are towards that side of the spectrum.
You know, they're normally either doing espressos or they're doing dark roast, the French roast.
So we'll do that this summer.
Where do people go right now?
I want them to read the reviews.
Before you buy, read the reviews of your fellow War Room posse about what they say about this coffee.
Taste took a long time to get this up and running.
We're running, but it's paid off.
It's absolutely my favorite coffee, and I'm an aficionado of great coffee.
This is the champagne of coffee because you don't need cream, you don't need sugar.
It's best just to drink it black.
You get the full taste of really what coffee's about.
Where do they go, Tash?
tej gill
The website is warpath.coffee, and use promo code warroom.
We're running 15% off right now.
It fluctuates when we do sales.
We pump that up to as much as 30%, but it's warpath.coffee, promo code WARROOM, and you get 15% off right now.
And if you haven't tried it, try it.
It is actually amazing coffee.
You'll love it.
We have a huge customer return rate.
It's amazing.
And don't forget to call your senator.
We need to get Tina Peters pardoned.
Get her out of jail.
steve bannon
No, it's ridiculous.
I'm going to do that on Monday when we get back, because these guys are all...
Hyden this weekend.
It's obscene what's happened to Tina Peters.
And she's being transferred from a jail, which they won't allow visitors.
And that's their policy in jails for anybody.
They're not singling out Tina.
But they're sending her to a prison.
She's a hostage.
She's a political prisoner.
She's a hostage.
And people got to get serious.
If you have to cut off all the federal money to Denver and to the rest of Colorado, then so be it.
If that's what we got to play, you got to play smash-mouth with these guys.
Yeah, you can't have a Gold Star Mother.
I mean, Tej, how do people, particularly the gunmen and the shooters, people on the front line in these two horrible wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, what do they think?
When you mention Gold Star Mother, what's the first thing that comes to mind to a warrior?
tej gill
We've got to protect them and cherish them and support them.
I went out two weeks ago.
I was down in Phoenix.
Supporting another gold star mom, Debbie Lee.
We call her Mama Lee.
Her son was the first SEAL killed in Iraq.
Eli Cain and I were there.
And now we've got to rally and get Tina Peters out of prison.
She needs to be pardoned by President Trump.
She's got to be released.
She's nothing more than a political prisoner and a hostage by the Democrats.
steve bannon
Well, that's the problem.
She's not a federal.
I keep warning people about these state courts.
I warn them about Letitia James.
Mike Lindell, they're coming after Mike Lindell, the state court.
I keep wondering Royce White about Minnesota.
These are states, so it's beyond the reach of the federal government.
You're going to have to use other means.
It's time to play Smash Mouth now.
President Trump, they've tried all the normal course, I think, of working with the state, and Tina Peter's still rotting in jail, so it's not right.
Tej, by the way, your task and purpose was to make coffee as good as the Navy SEAL's equipment.
Navy SEAL's gear.
I think you've succeeded, sir.
Pretty darn good.
tej gill
Thank you, sir.
Yeah, it's blowing up.
It's growing into a monster and just trying to keep the machine fed and keep it running 24-7.
steve bannon
That's good.
It keeps you out of trouble.
Keeping Tej well-occupied.
His wife would agree with me.
Keeping Tej well-occupied.
Idleness is the devil's workshop when you're talking to Tej Gill.
Tej, thank you one more time.
Where do people go?
tej gill
Where do people go?
Warpath.coffee is a website.
Warpath.coffee.
And use promo code WARROOM.
Promo code WARROOM will get you 15% off.
And it gives credit of the sale to the War Room.
So promo code WARROOM, WARPATH.coffee.
Try it out.
Look at the reviews.
You're going to love it.
steve bannon
You get that big discount.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you.
I'll let you go back to work on a Saturday.
Working seven days a week.
We're taking a short break and then Posos are going to join us.
Very important conference down in Austin, Texas with NATO.
But it's really about families.
And as Jack gave the keynote last night, it's about Western civilization and preserving, saving and preserving, nurturing and promoting Western civilization.
That's Jack right there at the podium last night.
Don't think we've gotten the footage yet.
Terry Schilling also trying to get Terry.
Terry talks today, gives one of the keynotes today.
So we're going to also try to get Terry Schilling on here.
If we put up the Mac Daddy.
President Trump, huge development yesterday.
Well, two huge developments.
Number one, Market Watch came out, and I've been warning you about this.
I'm all for Doge, but primarily we must cut the massive federal spending.
How we do it, I'm indifferent.
We either do it finding waste, fraud, and abuse, particularly fraud, or you've got to do it programmatically.
But Johnson and these guys have got to get serious over there programmatically because it's not right now.
There's a service out there that tracks federal spending.
It shows right now, fiscal year 25, we're spending almost 8% more than we spent in 24. I hate to give you the bad news.
That's a fact.
President Trump also at the same time is leaning towards internal discussions to cut multiple taxes for the working class and the middle class and raise taxes for the wealthy.
Short commercial break.
Poso with us on the other side.
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We'll be right back.
steve bannon
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I actually gave a quote to the Washington Post yesterday.
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And I said, hey, my recommendation is that instead of taking Trump's birthday as a national holiday later, We ought to make April 2nd the Trump holiday because it's the day, Liberation Day, that skills and jobs and work and factories all came back to the United States at the beginning of it.
This is the most important day that President Trump will tell you he's been working on.
The deportations are big and getting the criminals out.
He's dedicated to that.
But this thing he's worked on for 40 years to start to bring high-value-added manufacturing jobs back here to the United States.
Who are these, our quote-unquote allies, what they do to us on tariffs and non-tariff barriers?
They're going to expose it all.
Politico's lead story, of course, over the weekend.
There are people, you know, President Trump's advisor, some people there are sitting, all the business guys are putting pressure on, please don't do it, please don't do it.
AOC and Bernie, this is why I say their cosplay poppers, they're running dogs for Wall Street.
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It's a tax.
No, it's not a tax.
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I'll have more to say about this in the second hour as President Trump, that Mac Daddy up there, spending up for President Trump's looking to raise taxes on the wealthy.
It's absolutely breathtaking.
And people like Grover Norcross, they are big mad at President Trump.
Big farmers, big mad at him.
All the big corporations, big mad at him.
Grover Norcross and all the guys running dogs, all the factotums for the elites, for the billionaires, they're big mad.
That means Trump's doing something right.
I want to go now to Jack Posobiec.
Jack, you in Austin, Texas, yesterday, this NATO conference is something we've really supported because the underpinnings of this is the salvation of Western civilization.
That's what your speech was about last night.
Give us an update.
We don't have footage right now.
We're trying to get it.
But tell us about the conference, really packed with high-end media, top speakers.
What went on?
jack posobiec
Steve, thanks so much for having me on.
And the conference last night, the pro-Natalism conference, it's kind of the opposite to, so I spent all last year writing this book on humans, and we've been coming on the War Room for all this time talking about it.
Well, this is the flip side of that.
So we can talk about the enemies of civilization, and we can talk about defeating them, and the War Room Posse knows all about beating the enemies of Western civilization, and they certainly are at the gates.
But what's the flip side of that?
So we say, We say we want to support the Western civilization.
We say we want to increase Western civilization.
We don't want to be selling out to the cheap foreign labor.
We want to deconstruct this system of globalism that puts everything on the back to the American worker on the Lao Pai Jing of China.
Well, how do you do that?
And that's pro-humanism, right?
So to be pro-human is the opposite to being unhuman.
So what does that mean?
Well, that means in the speech I gave last night, I said, look, all of this...
All of this information that we've received, everything that it's cast down from our ancestors, our legacy, Western civilization, it's not just ideas, it's not just philosophy in some book.
This is actually our heritage.
This is our heritage that our ancestors, the men and women, that carved countries and built societies out of wilderness, that built the cathedrals from the Parthenon to the Declaration of Independence.
From Ben Franklin and his kite to the space shuttle.
These are the things that Western civilization has built.
And look, from my mettle, nobody does it better.
And so we've got people from really all across the political spectrum who say, you know what?
Enough is enough.
We need to actually do something to increase the birth rates in the West.
This is obviously a problem that's going on.
It's Europe.
You see it, by the way, in the Koreas.
You see it in Australia.
So it's a global problem that a lot of people are dealing with.
And we're trying to actually face this head on.
And it's an interesting conglomeration, Steve, because you've...
You've got me and Terry Schilling.
You've got traditional Catholics.
But then you go all the way to the other side and you've got venture capitalist, Silicon Valley, tech bro types are all there trying to look at this problem.
We come to it from different ways.
We come to it from different traditions.
And there's going to be actually a series of debates that go up today.
Natalism.org is where you can see it.
The full conference continues today down in Austin, Texas.
And there are going to be serious debates.
about the things that we should all do, the things that we should all come forward to and understand how to fix this problem.
Steve, we even had socialists there.
We had socialists there who said, you know what, we're pro-life, so pro-life socialists, wrap yourself around that, and they say we want birth and pregnancy and all the appointments and all the rest of it ought to be free.
And we think that mothers should get a stipend, grandmothers should get a stipend, that this entire process should not be paid for by the mother.
And I say, you know something?
I want to have a conversation about that.
That's an interesting conversation.
It's something that we don't really look at from our side of the aisle.
And maybe it's something that we should talk about.
steve bannon
Well, and I tell you, Orban and the guys in Hungary.
Of course, Rachel Maddow says we're very focused on Orban's model for autocratic breakthrough and autocratic consolidation.
We actually look to Orban.
He is a model on many things, particularly culturally, how he broke Soros, and particularly his focus on the family, because this is about families at the end of the day.
The whole economic program of Trump is really based around having happy families that have folks, that wage earners can actually make a deal.
Decent wage, Jack Posobiec.
jack posobiec
That's exactly right.
So you it's not enough to simply be against abortion.
I think for too long in the conservative movement, the Republican Party, it's been senator on anti-abortion and rightly so for for the fight against Roe v.
Wade. Roe v.
Wade is gone now.
So what do you take that you have to also present a positive vision of the future?
That's all about being pro-family, pro-worker, having the ability for a family to survive on a single parent's income, to be able to have your home, to live in safety and have a good paying job.
So that you don't have to worry about the financial pressures undercutting you from globalists, from all the rest that's going on.
It's very simple.
It used to be something that we called the American dream.
steve bannon
The American dream.
Jack, can you hold on one minute?
We're going to take a short break.
We're going to come back to Florida 1 and Florida 6. But then I've got to bring Jack back in and do some cleanup here on the situation on the signal.
It's a non-event.
And the left is trying to make it a big event.
Nothing's going to happen.
It's a no-scalps policy in President Trump's White House.
Also Raheem Kassam will be joining us.
And Terry Schilling.
Terry Schilling with another live report.
Hopefully live report from down at the NATO conference.
We're going to leave you with the right stuff.
A magnificent masterpiece of a book.
A magnificent masterpiece of a film.
An Academy Award winning music from Bill Conti.
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