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March 19, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4348: Usurping The Authority Of True Reform; Losing Faith In The Courts To Defend MAGA
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eric teetsel
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steve bannon
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unidentified
Leanne, let's talk about Chief Justice Roberts, his rebuke of Donald Trump.
How rare is it to hear something like that?
Yeah, it's absolutely rare.
Chief Justice Roberts has issued warnings before, not so directly, but just saying that the independence of the courts should be upheld and should be, you know, not admired, but yeah,
should be upheld.
Forgot my word there.
But this was a moment that the Trump administration and Republicans and MAGA world did not like.
The fact that Chief Justice John Roberts inserted himself into this conversation.
You have people who are piling on, including Elon Musk, sending threatening-like messages.
To John Roberts.
And this is where the Trump administration thinks that so many of these cases are going to end up.
And you have Stephen Miller and other Trump administration officials who are confident, who were confident, that the Supreme Court is going to uphold the Trump administration in a lot of these cases once it gets there.
And so part of the playbook is not only to intimidate these justices, but really make their case in the court of public opinion and get the rallying
Republicans behind them in order to put pressure on these justices and these judges along the way so that they think that they can win these justices.
joe scarborough
To other people, they say, we're doing this for a reason.
We're testing the boundaries.
And White House officials will tell you, we're specific.
Specifically picking challenges to take up to the Supreme Court.
And we're trying a lot of different things.
So this is a concerted effort, is it not, to push the boundaries and see what sticks and see what doesn't stick?
unidentified
Well, it sure is.
And I look at this, Joe, on sort of two tracks.
One is the political.
You call it the conventional, which is Trump is trying to sort of do government cutting.
He's got somebody out there, Elon Musk.
Who's catching a lot of flack for it?
You and I know that Trump doesn't like folks who are diverting attention from him, and he certainly doesn't like them when they're not I think that will eventually seal Elon's fate.
That's one track, and that's kind of the political track, which is, you know, backlash from voters leading up to a midterm.
The other track, which is more sobering, is what I call the constitutional track.
And that's what you're alluding to just now.
And that is people around Trump, not really Trump himself, because Trump's not super sophisticated about some of these challenges.
But it's the folks around Trump who, yes, want to exert executive power to the point in which they get some kind of a blessing from the Supreme Court of the United States that they can do this, carry this out.
Joe, what I find alarming is the rise in volume on the attacks on federal judges and where that could lead us.
We know in this country, we have a history in this country of threats against federal judges.
This is really dangerous stuff.
I think some of these comments about these federal judges being impeached or confronted is leading us to a really dark place.
chris hayes
Now, after Trump's attacks on the judge, who stood in his way of this insanity, Supreme Court Justice John Roberts issued a very rare public statement rebuking Trump today.
Quote, For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision.
The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose.
Roberts perhaps understands the danger we are in, though we'll see what his actual rulings are.
And what about the Article I branch of government, the ones the founders made first?
Well, Republicans in Congress are rolling over to Trump again.
One even filed articles of impeachment against that federal judge today, after John Roberts put out his statement.
And that leaves a Democratic minority, an opposition party with a lot to oppose right now.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
You've not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
chris hayes
The people have had a belly full of it.
steve bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
Mega Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
Wednesday, 19 March, Euro Alert
steve bannon
The firestorm that is upon us, I think I have to agree with Jonathan Martin of the New York Times, that we are hurtling towards a constitutional crisis.
Chief Justice Roberts stepped into the middle of this yesterday with, I think, a completely inappropriate pronouncement that essentially is giving sustenance and moral backing.
To these radical neo-Marxist judges at the front line, federal judges.
This is, you know, the world's an efficient market as they teach at Harvard Business School.
And all those years of Obama appointees and Biden appointees and, quite frankly, Bush, feckless Bush appointees are coming home to reason.
And in the fact in San Francisco, with that field stripping of the Justice Department and President Trump's actual power, To riff people and to take care, you know, get rid of these probationary employees, the judges, I think,
from the Clinton era.
But you see, these neo-Marxist radical judges, appointed by Democrats or feckless neoliberal, neoconservative Republicans, are, that's the only thing they've got going for them.
They haven't been able to generate their color revolution, although they try every day, to the fact now they're doxing.
Tesla people, and remember this, they're burning, they're going to dealerships, they're burning dealerships, they're burning cars.
These were all the people that Elon Musk was a god for when he came with the electric vehicle.
Just remember, in the first administration, Elon, I think, was in my office, I don't know, every day or every other day for the first couple of months about tax breaks.
For electric vehicles.
And President Trump was absolutely adamant.
We just said no.
We tossed him out every couple of days, said, hey, I hear your pitch.
It's not going to happen.
The little guy in this country is not going to underwrite venture capitalists, the Chinese Communist Party, and you.
And all those people that bought it in those era, right, who are all progressives, now they're being doxxed.
This is what savages they are on the left.
They've totally turned on each other.
Because there's, I don't care if you roll it out in the White House.
Every day of the week.
MAGA's not going to be buying the electric vehicle and certainly not going to be buying Tesla.
It's just not going to happen.
But you see, they can't get...
They're so desperate.
Now they're taking Bernie and AOC on a college tour, essentially, to try to gin up.
And they're using this faux populism.
They're coming after the billionaires after they had four years to do anything about it and did nothing.
Did nothing.
The billionaires all flipped.
At 11 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the 5th of November, when it became obvious that MAGA had won and President Trump had the greatest comeback in American history, all of a sudden they got old-time religion.
That old-time religion, you scratch it, it's one-eighth of an inch deep.
These are pure opportunists.
And what has happened now is the one line of defense, and they're turning it to offense, is the courts, of which you've labored so hard.
To make sure we have politicians in there that we can get the Supreme Court and the Federal Court and the Appellate Court and all of it turned around.
This is one of the reasons, at the state court level, the situation with this vacancy in Wisconsin is so huge.
We're going to get to all that also.
Two other pieces I'm going to get into today.
One, Axios Lee's story about all the strategies that have been worked on legally.
To make sure that we could do mass deportations, it's quite frankly a brilliant piece.
We will get to that.
Todd Benzman or someone from CIS will be on later to walk through that.
Also, the New York Times has a full-scale kind of, I don't know if it's an expose, but talking about every organized effort of the Trump administration, the outside groups, etc., to take on the dark money and the network, the rat's nest in back of the Democratic Party.
It's quite revealing.
Natalie's going to address that this afternoon.
I'm trying to get Brian Glenn is at the White House this morning to jump in.
Hogan, D.C. Drano joins us right now.
D.C., your tweet got my interest, and we're supposed to try to get Eric Tietzel, who you kind of reposted but kind of laid it out in layman's terms.
First off...
D.C., Drano, a lot of people don't know that you actually went to one of the finest law schools in the country.
What are your bona fides as a lawyer, before we get into this, your feelings and issues and observations about where we stand with federal courts, sir?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Well, I went to University of Chicago Law, and we called feelings the F word, and the F word was not allowed in classroom discussions, only facts.
steve bannon
So, Rogan, why did Tietzel put this analysis up?
We're going to have to try to get Eric in a second from CRA, the kind of anchorman after the great Russ vote went into the administration.
Why did you find it compelling?
And why are you one of the people on the front line of this pushing what were being bombarded, you know, overnight?
I was on Chris Cuomo last night and absolutely bombarded.
With how we're so outside the mainstream, how this is so radical that we're trying to impeach federal judges.
Sir, your thoughts?
rogan dc draino ohandley
No, they're the ones that are outside the mainstream and defying historic precedent.
What we are experiencing right now, everyone feels it in their gut, this frustration.
We just had a duly elected president, popular vote, every swing state, and now we are experiencing what is called a judicial coup.
The decades of infiltration and higher education by these Marxists has led to this moment, right?
All those years of training and woke, and it's basically the anti-federalist society, right?
So the federalist society teaches judicial restraint.
The anti-federalists want judicial overreach, and that's why we're seeing these Marxist activists in black robes effectively Deeming themselves president on a specific matter.
And the numbers back this up.
There was a Harvard Law Review study that Eric Tietzel posted about, and it was actually from last year in 24, so the numbers are a little bit old.
But basically, in George Bush's eight years, he had less than one national injunction per year.
In Obama's, he had a little bit more than one per year, on average.
Biden, in his four years?
Trump in his first term had over 15 on average per year.
And if you throw in the other 15 that have come out in the first couple months, he's at over 80 national injunctions by these district judges.
That averages out to over 20 per year.
And this is, he has more than half of all national injunctions ever issued in the history of the United States of America.
It's completely unprecedented.
And when there is unprecedented overreach, it requires unprecedented counterpunches.
And that's why we are discussing impeachments and judicial reform.
steve bannon
By the way, real quickly, our next guest is trying to get to you, sir.
My producer, my crack producer here.
We're trying to line up our next guest.
Why is this such a big deal?
Why are we making the case that these radical judges, these judges, doing these national...
Because the reason we had Carrie Lake on at the beginning of the week...
They came after Carrie Lake yesterday with suits.
They're going to try to shut her down, not just on nationwide, on a global basis.
So why is it such a big deal, Rogan?
rogan dc draino ohandley
Because a single federal district judge should not have the ability to dictate what happens nationwide.
And what's making it worse is that Democrats, these NGOs, these Democrat-affiliated law firms, they're forum shopping.
They are finding a judge they know is going to give them a favorable ruling, and then that judge shuts down nationwide.
The entire apparatus of the executive branch.
They're completely usurping the authority there needs to be reformed.
Now, one of the proposed reforms is Daryl Issa filed a bill and it would require at least a three-judge panel to rule on these.
And it would require two or more states to be in conflict with this.
So that would slow these down precipitously.
At the very least, we do have to start pushing back.
Chip Roy discussed potentially defunding certain district courts because we're not going to get 67 votes to actually impeach some of these guys in the Senate, right?
Democrats, these are their new best friends.
But we do need actual long-lasting reform because a judge gives a nationwide injunction and then Trump has to fight for the next three to six months to take this all the way up to the Supreme Court.
So at the very least, we should be able to move forward while it's in litigation.
unidentified
You put your inside
steve bannon
To delay is to deny.
Rogan, hang on for one second.
Rogan O 'Hanley is with us.
D.C. Drano.
Eric Tietzel is going to join us.
Mike Davis later.
Julie Kelly later.
We're going to Korea.
We're going to talk about the CCP's financing using American capital to finance themselves.
All this morning, fully engaged at war in the war room.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
Eric Tietzel is going to join us here momentarily.
Brian Glenn's at the White House.
I'm going to go get Brian up.
Natalie's going to be there this afternoon.
We have a lot of analysis and observations coming out of the White House of this full-on attack that we're doing in the most radical parts of the Democratic Party, including their dark money funders.
I want to go back to D.C. Drano.
Having spent four months in a federal prison in Danbury for contempt and proudly did it and would do it again, not an issue.
I want to make sure that we're fighting smart here, D.C. Drano.
I understand and I love the fact that the MAGA base, the MAGA warriors, the War Room Posse are up on the ramparts in this and are furious about what is happening with the federal judges.
But one of the issues that has come up is a lot of our MAGA warriors want is just saying, hey, don't comply.
Just do what you got to do.
All gas.
Walk me through your logic of why you think we should be, as we go after strong after impeachments, that we're restrained right now, at least somewhat in that direction, sir.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I will tell you, there is no issue that people are more fired up about right now than judicial impeachments.
And the only course of action that I'm seeing most people rally behind is just disregarding these injunctions and having Trump move forward.
We are the party of law and order.
We have a 6-3 on a good day, 5-4 on a bad day.
Supreme Court, well, 4-5 on a bad day on the Supreme Court.
People are furious.
The base is furious.
I sympathize with that.
I want to bring up something.
When Trump was indicted multiple times, we were furious.
We wanted Governor DeSantis to shut down law enforcement from even arresting him.
We were just like, disregard this.
We know this is political persecution.
But what did Trump do?
He fought it the right way and he merged victorious.
OK, I just want to say we got to play a little bit of a long game here and figure out constitutional legal ways to get around this.
And if that means nitpicking, oh, it was over in international waters.
We couldn't return the flight.
It wasn't USA.
That's what we got to do.
But let's play smash mouth here and let's do everything we can within the Constitution to defeat this judicial coup.
steve bannon
I also remind people in war, we've got an escalatory ladder.
We have an escalatory ladder.
Let's be smart about that, particularly about complying when you comply.
I do disagree with you on one thing, Rogan.
I think in this regard, and I hate to give it to people, but I've warned about this from the beginning months ago about impoundment and all of it.
I ain't so sure it's a 5-4 the other way court.
I don't think we can depend, and I think people are making a big mistake if we're calculating that Coney Barrett and Roberts are going to be with us on some of these, whether they're even going to allow it to come on the docket.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I agree.
steve bannon
Go ahead.
rogan dc draino ohandley
I was going to say, I agree.
6-3 on a good day, 4-5 against us on a bad day, or an average day at this point.
steve bannon
We have Chip Roy's ability.
We're talking about appropriations that cut the budgets of certain districts.
We're talking about legislation along the lines of the legislation in 1801 that kind of can reorganize some things here.
We're talking about impeachments.
There's so many other tools we have in the toolbox.
And I agree with the folks.
Right now, many of these you would sit there and go, well, I'm not going to comply with that.
I think the biggest one is on this national security issue.
I will also say, and I'm not a lawyer, but having gone through the situation on the contempt, I see them laying the trap right now for some contempt proceedings against certain people in the Trump administration.
I can see what this judge is doing.
So, anyway, D.C., you're at the tip of the spear of the fight.
The base should know that this is getting a lot of attention, and it may be number one priority of everybody right now.
D.C., where do people go to keep up with you?
Because you're on top of this, as we say.
rogan dc draino ohandley
At D.C. Drano on all the platforms, but I will say, someone who's more on top of it than me, Laura Loomer.
She's a pit bull.
She's exposing conflicts of interest.
Judge Bosberg, his daughter, getting NGO money to help illegal aliens.
I mean, 20,000 retweets on her post.
Just when I quote tweet it, she's on top of it.
She's absolutely a weapon in this fight.
And that's what we can do, expose their conflicts of interest, get them forcefully recused from these cases.
steve bannon
Loomer was on last night.
She's going to be on the afternoon show.
She's out being a pit bull this morning.
D.C.'s 100% correct.
She's going to be on the show this afternoon to go full pit bull.
D.C. Drano, thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
rogan dc draino ohandley
Thank you, sir.
steve bannon
Eric Tietzel, now we're going to pull back.
Go to Bomber Command.
A little more.
We need steady Eddie here.
Because this, folks, we are in, as we've told you, this is historic.
Everything Trump's doing right now is historic.
The rapprochement with the Russians.
The hemispheric defense.
Redoing geopolitics from McKinder's heartland strategy to this naval strategy around the United States.
Economically on finance.
And every cultural issues.
Everything.
You're seeing history live every day on this show as we just turn the cameras on and have Brian Glenn tee it up at the White House and Natalie Wynn is teeing up at the White House.
But this is now bringing in every branch of government.
So Tietzel at Bomber Command, walk us through what this fight is about, how we have to be smart about this.
eric teetsel
I think it's clear, if you look at the data that's been discussed here this morning, that this is the new front lines for the left.
It's their most reliable weapon in the toolkit.
As the author of this piece, our friend Ben Weingarten from over at The Federalist pointed out to me this morning, you can make an argument that an individual federal district court judge, one of 700 of them, is more powerful than John Roberts at this point.
Single-handedly stopping the president of the United States from executing his job?
It's unbelievable.
And what we're seeing is this explosion in the use of these tools to stop the president's agenda.
Because clearly, Chuck Schumer can't do it.
Congressional Democrats can't do it.
They don't have the numbers.
We've got the majorities.
We've got a team that's finally, seemingly united and rowing in the same direction.
But already, we have seen 15...
National injunctions from district court judges against President Trump this year.
15. In February.
That's more than Joe Biden had in his entire presidency.
And something's got to be done to constrain it.
And thankfully, there are plenty of tools in the toolkit to do that.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to make sure, and this goes back to the unitary theory of the executive, whether it's President Trump's actions as chief executive about personnel or about money and later about impoundment, but his ability as chief executive in that unitary theory, the opposite of the president.
Number two, as commander-in-chief, what's happening with the Venezuelan terrorists going to Central America, El Salvador.
And third, him as chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer.
They're attacking.
They're very strategic.
They're going after exactly.
I mean, they're challenging us.
They're saying, hey, we hear the theory.
That's interesting.
On every aspect of it, they're judge shopping.
They're going to a specific location on a specific initiative of President Trump's and his team and trying to thwart that and trying to drag it out to delay us to deny and try to drag this out for years.
Is that essentially?
What's happening, sir?
eric teetsel
100%.
And it's even worse than that, because you can judge shop in multiple jurisdictions simultaneously.
So you might get a judge who views the law rightly and rules in President Trump's favor, and it's like, okay, lost that one, move on to the next one.
And then you'll get a judge who may view the law wrongly.
And rule against President Trump, but constrain their ruling to the parties sitting before them and saying, this doesn't have a national application.
It's constrained just to the case before me and the person before me.
And they'll say, okay, on to the next one, until they find a judge who's willing to dictate law for the entire country.
It's unbelievable.
And you're right.
I'm glad you brought up presidential authority, Steve.
This is critically important because presidential authority stems from multiple sources.
Obviously, when Congress passes a law specifically giving the president of the United States powers to do something, his authority is clear.
And that's exactly what's happened here with getting rid of these criminal gangbangers and sending them back home.
Congress gave the president the authority to do that.
I don't know who some federal judge thinks they are to step in and say that's no longer valid because the law is old.
That's not how the law works.
But then even more fundamentally than that is the Constitution of the United States, which specifically gives the president of the United States explicit powers, just as you said, especially when it comes to his role as commander in chief.
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
Let's talk about Roberts.
I want to hold you through this because we've got a toolbox.
We have a toolbox.
We're going after the law firms.
You've got legislation maybe like the 1801 that you can reorganize.
You've got Chip Roy saying, hey, not just do we cut the budget for the federal courts as $10 billion, but maybe we target it for districts.
There's so many things we can do.
One of those is impeachment.
Judge Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts, jumping in here.
Your observations before we go to break, sir.
eric teetsel
Well, John Roberts thinks that history is going to judge him and not the people who are living today.
We'll see what history thinks of John Roberts.
I was reminded last night that the Supreme Court is filled with turtles.
There are tortoises everywhere.
I had never heard this before.
But the theory is that the justices are supposed to think of themselves as tortoises who move slow and are protected.
Well, I don't know about being a tortoise.
We've got a lot of cars moving pretty quick on the highway these days, and that doesn't tend to end well for tortoises.
The reality is that Congress has the power to pass laws to constrain an out-of-control judiciary.
They don't have to rely on impeachment alone, although impeachment may be warranted in certain cases.
Thankfully, members of Congress have stepped up and proposed other ideas to get around this, like, for example, prohibiting Forum shopping, where you just go to the judge that you think is most likely to rule in your favor.
That seems like an easy fix.
Another idea that Mike Lee has been on is a three-judge panel.
steve bannon
Hang on.
I want to hold the punchline here.
The Mike Lee and others.
Eric Tietzel from CRA.
Short break.
White House.
Wall Street.
Korea.
All next.
And Mike Davis, too.
in the war room.
unidentified
*music*
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon
Okay, Davis is going to, Mike Davis is going to join us in a little while.
Brian Glenn's next.
So for the Warren Posse, and you can get your Bill Blaster out, or you can go to Article 3. We've got many different avenues for things.
So we have three lines of work.
Number one is obviously what's happening in Wisconsin.
We'll have more of that in a little while, this vacancy on the Supreme Court.
Number two is the impeachment, getting in contact with the House Judiciary Committee.
Mike Davis will be talking about that.
We have Article 3. We have a number of different venues to alert those folks to action.
The other is that there's a number of smart bills
process because there is a way to legislate certain aspects of this that I think must be done.
Eric, can you give us a highlight reel of that?
Because I want the Warren Posse, as we put these out, to also put that in their toolbox as they go to the ramparts.
This is something to discuss with their own representative that's other than the impeachment weapon.
Can you walk through a couple of these?
eric teetsel
Right.
Impeachment's an important tool, but it's not the only one.
Congress has the power.
And several really good ideas have been proposed to get at this problem.
Of course, Senator Mike Lee, who's the best of the best when it comes to a lot of things, including this, he has an idea that would say instead of a single solitary judge having the power to stop the President of the United States, there should be a three-judge panel required to consider these cases.
And that would make it a lot harder for one activist judge.
Daryl Issa has some ideas that he's proposed.
He's been like a dog on a bone on this, including outright just banning national injunctions.
Why in the world would we ever allow this to happen?
Seems like a good idea to me.
And then a third idea that's been proposed is to ban this practice of Shopping for a district and a judge where you think you're going to get the best result.
You could simply say, you don't get to do that.
You have to have a person who has experienced a harm in a specific place, and that's the district where it happens.
Or I've heard the other idea of having a lottery to just say, hey, if you want to sue the President of the United States, you don't know which judge you're going to get or where it's going to land, and let the fates decide it.
One last one that recently was actually part of an executive order that the president put forward is this idea of an injunction bond that would say, okay, you want to sue, sue, but you need to put some skin in the game.
And if at the end of this, you were wrong, you forfeit the bond that you put forward.
So if you want to put a million dollars on the line and in the end forfeit that if you're wrong, go ahead and do it.
And we'll see what that does to the number of these lawsuits that occur.
steve bannon
Eric, where do people go to CRA?
I know you've got a whole section to get people smart in this.
Where do folks go and what's your social media?
eric teetsel
Yeah, come find us at americarenewing.com and check out the work that we're doing.
You can find me on X at Eric Tietzel.
And I'm always retweeting all of our great fellows.
There's a bunch of them out there.
steve bannon
Clark Paoletta, Vogt, and others from CRA, our girls of the Defense Department as the spokesman.
We've got so many CRA guys helping President Trump that Eric Tietzel is next man up, as we call him.
Brother, thank you so much.
Appreciate you.
eric teetsel
Thanks as always, Steve.
steve bannon
What a great organization.
Brian Glenn.
The New York Times is not fake news.
Every now and again, the New York Times will get it right.
Kenneth Vogel, Shane Goldmacher, two of their heavy hitters.
The headline, if Denver can please put this up, is, With orders, investigations, and innuendo, Trump and GOP aim to cripple the left.
Sub-headline, the President and his allies in Congress are targeting the financial, digital, and legal machinery that powers the Democratic Party in much of the progressive political world.
Wow.
Glenn, you see it every day at the White House.
I don't think this is fake news.
They're on to something.
This is an organized effort, and we're very proud to be a small, tiny part of it here at RAV in the War Room.
Sir.
brian glenn
We are.
But Steve, you and I have known about this for several years.
I'll give a lot of credit to the New York Times for reporting on this.
And of course, the Democrats right now, as you know, are losing on the messaging.
They're behind things that just...
Americans can't get behind.
So they're losing.
But now it's time for us to fight back on the other side of this.
And I think the New York Times is spot on when you look at Act Blue and you look at some of the money, where it goes, where it supports.
Even the building on the other side of the White House here, Steve, the Department of Treasury.
I remember reporting about the SARS reports, about all the LLCs that were formed in the Biden crime family and all the different avenues that were funneling money.
But finally, So,
we have won.
On the cultural side.
We have the people.
Now it's time to stop all of this illegal money-fundling that the Democrats are so good at doing.
steve bannon
This is the point.
They have so many sources of resources.
And now we've known for a long time.
But now you can actually expose it.
They're using government funding, too, to destroy this country, destroy the republic.
That's one of the great things about the Doge guys.
The shock troops are going in there and expose things that, like, Eli Crane and Matt Gaetz and MTG have been fighting for years on USAID, right?
Or Carrie Lake just shows up the other day at Voice of America in the whole broadcast industry that the U.S. government has financed that's turned against the American people.
But this is the dark money.
And quite frankly, I think a lot of overseas money, a lot of people that maybe live in Switzerland but are giving money, they're exposing this.
And they have to understand, we're going to be relentless on this.
Until you get to this, you're not going to kill the snake.
What tried to destroy a republic and is actively trying to do it every day and just waiting.
And remember, they're playing the game here to...
They think they can outlast Trump.
This is what they're doing.
They think they can outlast Trump, and we have to go to the heart of it.
Brian Glenn, you've been in this fight for many years.
A pretty accurate report.
I want everybody, we're going to get up on our site, I want everybody to read it.
Of course, it's got elements of fake news in it, and it's the New York Times progressive slant.
But they're scared.
They're scared because they understand we're relentless now, and President Trump is all gas, no brake on this one.
Brian Glenn.
brian glenn
Yeah, real quickly, I was just told that Daniel Penny is off camera.
I don't know if we got a shot of him real quickly.
Can we get a shot of him?
I think we are.
He's just walking that direction into the briefing room, which, by the way, at 1 p.m., Carolyn Levitt is having her briefing in the briefing room.
But I thought I would just bring that to you as it developed, Steve, as we're on the air.
But to your point, this is...
This is one way that we win.
And I love you.
D.C. Drano has done an amazing analysis on this, and there's a lot of people in this fight.
I'm very fortunate we have some very smart people with this movement, like yourself.
But what we're seeing here as far as on-the-ground MAGA...
They are foaming at the mouth, because these are very things that we've known about for a long time, about this money going to these NGOs and getting funnel.
You can add Ukraine to that, Steve.
You can add Ukraine to that.
I talked to a guy yesterday just outside the White House fence that said, look, we know this money is going over to Ukraine, the amount of wealth that is in that country right now from government officials, not from private business owners.
These are from people in the military and the government.
It's sickening.
He was a big supporter of President Trump, big supporter of stopping this war.
But we are definitely winning.
I'm glad that the New York Times got it right.
And let's just see what the next article says.
steve bannon
Well, I remember a young woman, a Georgia peach.
A number of years ago, very early in, like, in 23, she stepped up and said, hey, look, I'm against this funding, but if it has to happen, we have to have audits.
If we had audited that money when MTG said it had to be audited back in, what, 22, we wouldn't be in a situation where hundreds of billions of dollars, we have no earthy idea.
where this money's gone.
And even Zelensky says he doesn't know where it's going.
He's trying to clean his hands of it.
Brian Glenn, what's your social media?
Caroline Levitt, 1 o'clock today, Real America's Voice over.
You can just follow me at BrianGlennTV across the board.
brian glenn
Thanks, as always, Steve.
Thanks for having me on.
Let's just keep the fight up and we'll see how this 1 o 'clock presser...
Should be a very active presser at 1 o 'clock with all the stuff in the news.
steve bannon
With everything that's going on, we haven't even had a chance to get to the rapprochement.
Obviously, global...
Thank you, Brian.
One o 'clock, Real America's Voice will have up the presser.
I'm sure there'll be some activities.
Not a lot on the president's schedule today, but he is turning and burning.
Capital markets roiling.
It's only going to get more turbulent of that.
I can commit to you with everything going on.
President Trump trying to do a rapprochement.
With Russia and trying to have everybody lay down their arms.
It doesn't look like it.
Bombing on the Houthis, bombing in Gaza.
Actually, a little activity, a little kinetic activity in Ukraine yesterday as President Trump tries to sort it all out.
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Mike Davis is going to join us in a little while.
Also, CIS is going to come in with this brilliant White House strategy on going to the courts.
about mass deportations, what we're doing there.
We're going to break all that down for you.
I want to go to Frank Gaffney.
Frank, I was on News Nation last night with Cuomo and talking about this Russian rapprochement to break off Russia in its super alliance with no limits from the Chinese Communist Party.
As Captain Fennell always says, keep the main thing the main thing.
The main thing is the Chinese Communist Party.
It's an existential threat to the United States.
I got about a minute before break.
Tee it up.
I'm going to bring you back.
And also, Mills has got some great news for us from the peninsula of Korea on some progress we're making there against the Chinese Communist Party.
Frank Gaffney, if we destroy the Chinese Communist Party, Lao Bajin's got to do it.
The first thing we have an obligation for is to cut them off from American capital.
We should not...
frank gaffney
Steve, look, your background on Wall Street equips you brilliantly, and you've executed it marvelously over the many years, notably with our Committee on the Present Danger, China's help, and that of Roger Robinson,
who has been really the pointy end of the spear on this idea, that as with Ronald Reagan taking down the Soviet Communist Party, By cutting off its hard currency cash flow, we could do the same to the Chinese Communist Party,
but only if Wall Street stops what it has been doing, which is putting, instead of an America-first investment policy in place, a China-first one.
And we've got a very exciting development in your friend and ours, Scott Besson, saying no more of the China-first policy.
steve bannon
Yeah, hang on for one second.
Roger Robinson's been working on this.
He's made some great media appearances.
Secretary of Treasury Scott Besant understands what's going on.
We're going to have Frank Gaffney after the break.
John Mills on a report from Korea.
Mike Davis.
We're rolling on a Wednesday in the war room.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
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steve bannon
Okay, as we do all this complexity and everything we're talking about, one thing I want to remind people, we've got Jim Rickards on here as a major contributor now, and one of the reasons is that we get the ability to give you access to his newsletter,
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Why?
Because it affects the life of working class and middle class Americans, probably as much as, maybe more than domestic policy, and it's never been explained to you, or given you given information.
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Frank Gaffney, with everything President Trump's doing on this kind of rapprochement with Russia, which Ukraine's part of that, what's happening in Persia, on the Arabian Peninsula's part of this, what's happening in Gaza's, all part of it.
As President Trump works through that, And Cleo Pascal, we have her on, this brilliant thing of the Pacific as our new heartland, the hemispheric defense of President Trump.
The one thing we have to keep in mind, and we lose track of it because Wall Street and the ruling class of this country want us to lose track of it, as they have financed the Chinese Communist Party and really the demise of this country, is when we talk about America first,
it's just not our military.
It's just not military engagement and where we evolved all the world and how we pick and choose.
When we talk America first, it's American capital for Americans and American industries first.
There's something going on.
You guys, Roger Robinson, the Committee on Present Danger, China, you personally have done an amazing job on this.
Take a minute and walk us through exactly what's going on in the call to action for the Warren Posse, sir.
frank gaffney
Thanks, Steve.
What has going on?
Is that on the 21st of February, President Donald Trump issued what they call a National Security Presidential Memorandum, unveiling what he has described as an America First investment policy.
Yesterday, on Maria Bartiromo's program on Fox Business, and by the way, hat tip to Maria, she has done extraordinarily important work on this, including two.
Not just her daily stuff, but two hour-long specials entitled Underwriting the Enemy.
She had Scott Besant, good friend of the War Room, obviously, now, praise God, the Treasury Secretary, on her program on The Daily Show yesterday.
And let me just read you a quote from Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary.
Quote, I think it's up to us to let American investors know how their money is being used.
Would ordinary Americans want their money being used to suppress Uyghurs?
Would they like it if it's being used for Chinese military activities?
Would they like it being used for Chinese surveillance opportunities?
Of course not.
So we are going to continue investigating this and where necessary, block it.
Now, contrast that with what Steve Mnuchin did in the first term, or for that matter, any other Treasury Secretary you want to come up with.
Endlessly shilling for Wall Street.
And Wall Street, as you say, Steve, has had an absolutely fixed determination to garner the fees and the various bennies of doing business with China by putting our pension funds,
our 401k plans, our mutual funds, whatever, into And that includes, by the way, Chinese companies that are owned or certainly working for the Chinese military.
One example of which is right upon us as we speak, Steve.
J.P. Morgan, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, and Goldman Sachs are intent on bringing to the United States capital markets an initial public offering that was recently launched
in Hong Kong.
For a company called CATL, it stands for Contemporary Emprex Technologies LTD.
It's the largest electric battery manufacturing concern in the world, 36 percent of the market.
They've got an effort underway right now in Michigan to try to put a plant there that would support Ford.
But the truth of the matter is, Steve, as the president.
Department of Defense, get this, under Joe Biden, right before it finally petered out, that administration, in January of this year, the Pentagon announced that this company, Cattle,
is, quote, a Chinese military company operating in the United States.
Now, I have to ask the question, what the hell is a Chinese military company doing in the United States, operating or otherwise?
Well, it's not the only one.
There are about 66 of them on this list of the Pentagons, and more that aren't yet on the list, but should be and probably will be under this new presidential order.
But the point is, Steve, it's worse than that.
Back in June of last year, John Molinar, the super chairman of the House Select Committee on the CCP, Mark Green, the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee in the House, and a guy who is now The Secretary of State of the United States,
Marco Rubio, wrote a letter saying to the guys at Homeland Security, by the way, this outfit, cattle, should be on the list of companies that also exploit slave labor, which is illegal in the United States,
to bring their stuff here.
So all of this is going against it.
All evidence of material risk to investors.
Major U.S. investment banks are not telling the people that they want to have buy these securities from cattle anything about those material risks, let alone what Donald Trump is doing with his America First policy.
steve bannon
Yeah.
Hang on one second.
I'm going to hold you through a break.
Mike Davis, Colonel John Mills from Korea, Frank Gaffney on the financing of the Chinese Communist Party.
We're going to go out with the right stuff.
unidentified
Donald J. Trump's got it.
steve bannon
The question is, do you?
Of course you do.
It's called Action Wednesday in the War Room, whether it's in Wisconsin, the Supreme Court, or Wall Street.
The War Room posse back to the ramparts.
Fixed bayonets.
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