March 13, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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You know, when you say that we're in a period of detox, you used that word on CNBC last week, is that a euphemism for recession? | |
| Not at all. | ||
| It doesn't have to be, because it'll depend on how quickly the baton gets handed off. | ||
| You know, our goal is to have a smooth transition. | ||
| But I tell you, Sarah, the easy thing for us to have done would have been to come in and just keep this massive spending level going. | ||
| And it's unsustainable, but could we have kept it going for a year, two years, maybe even four? | ||
| Maybe, but you're risking a financial calamity. | ||
| So, you know, we are trying to get this tax bill done. | ||
| We are controlling expenses. | ||
| And when we get the tax bill done, so if you can change the trajectory, up revenues, up economic growth, hold expenses flat, or do the unthinkable and cut expenses, then that's a pretty good trajectory. | ||
| They're on growth. | ||
| And if we go back to the model in the 90s, that's exactly what happened. | ||
| We'd see interest rates come down. | ||
| We'd see the private sector take up the slack from the government. | ||
| Because right now, we have excess employment in the government. | ||
| That those people can be moved to the private sector. | ||
| As I told the Business Roundtable yesterday, as I tell your viewers, what we're trying to do is create economic certainty. | ||
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We're going to do it with the tax plan. | |
| We're going to do it with deregulation. | ||
| And I also said to the Business Roundtable, I think it was 135 CEOs yesterday, if you came out with a plan similar to what Doge wants to do with the federal government, all your stocks would go up 15 or 20 percent. | ||
| It would be considered a miraculous restructuring, cost savings, and put you on a sustainable course. | ||
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So I think we're not getting credit for this yet. | |
| I think we will. | ||
| This audience, I would be very proud because that individual is the Secretary of Treasury at the exact moment that we need him as Secretary of Treasury because this audience. | ||
| Scott came on here a couple of years ago. | ||
| We started talking about capital markets, started talking about interest rates, growth, supply-side cuts, the debt, issues with the debt, etc. | ||
| Everything you're hearing today, excess regulation. | ||
| And thank God we have Scott Besson as President Trump's wingman in a time like this. | ||
| Matt Boyle, National Political Editor of Breitbart, you're actually at the Treasury Department. | ||
| You just finished an exclusive interview with the Secretary of Treasury. | ||
| Where in the Treasury are you, sir? | ||
| We are in what's called the Salmon Chase suite. | ||
| There's a name for then Secretary of Treasury, Salmon Chase, who later became the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, who, along with President Abraham Lincoln, in this room right here, saved the republic during the Civil War. | ||
| It's here where they developed greenbacks, right? | ||
| They developed maybe not the best idea, but the IRS, but also the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. | ||
| But it's here where the modern currency in the United States and our monetary system was. | ||
| It was formed by the Union side to win the Civil War against the Confederacy. | ||
| And so this was one of the major moments in Treasury Department history, obviously right next door to the White House. | ||
| And so I found it fascinating that we did this interview here because it's one of the major moments that faces the country right now because we're about to enter a new golden era of an American economy thanks to President Trump and Secretary Besson and the policies that they're doing. | ||
| So that's what we talked about, right? | ||
| Like, it's like, you know, this is another huge moment in world history. | ||
| As a son of the South, coming from Richmond, Virginia, it always hurts me. | ||
| That room is very famous. | ||
| Salmon Chase, as you know, was on the Team Arrival's cabinet. | ||
| I said the other day, told a group that the cabinet President Trump has put together, they I think is as good a cabinet as we've had working with a president since President Lincoln's team of rivals were cabinet. | ||
| As you know, Secretary of State Seward, right, who is absolutely brilliant, and Secretary of Treasury Salmon Chase, who really did come up with a financing strategy because I don't think we'd ever sold a government bond before. | ||
| You know, we didn't have a central bank at the time. | ||
| Andrew Jackson, President Jackson, had gotten away with that. | ||
| I mean, Chase really had to make up the entire thing. | ||
| And if it was not for Chase really being Lincoln's wingman, because President Lincoln, as brilliant as he was, he'd be the first to say he didn't understand high finance that well until a couple years into it. | ||
| So you chose that. | ||
| It's quite ironic that you chose that. | ||
| President Lincoln. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He would come over here from the White House. | ||
| And I mean, you don't really hear that much that the president of the United States comes over to the Treasury Department, right? | ||
| I don't know if other presidents have done that. | ||
| I've asked a few people here today, and we're gonna try to get a clear answer about that. | ||
| But the point is that President Lincoln, this great historic figure, came over from the White House here to this room right here to save the American Republic. | ||
| And right now, you are seeing this dire moment in American history where- You know, the current Treasury Secretary is being called on by the President, by President Trump, to again steer us out of a real dark place that Joe Biden and the previous administration left us in and to again save the American Republic right here in this room. | ||
| So I couldn't think of a better place to have this conversation. | ||
| You know, today I teed up the show as war and peace and prosperity. | ||
| And that's what we've seen today. | ||
| You know, this hour and 20 minute impromptu. | ||
| Press a veil. | ||
| And I keep telling the audience, if you come to Real America's Voice, we're going to show as much of this as live as possible, whether it's a Word Room or a Poso or a Charlie Kirk show. | ||
| The reason is you're seeing history in the making. | ||
| President Trump is inviting you into the room to actually see it with world leaders. | ||
| Sometimes he's thinking out loud. | ||
| He's showing you how he puts things together, particularly on a day, Matt, when Putin couldn't have been, I think, more blunt. | ||
| About what he's looking. | ||
| He took a full maximalist position of what he needs for a ceasefire. | ||
| Capital markets around the world. | ||
| President Trump not folding it all on tariffs. | ||
| In fact, he says, I will not bend on steel and aluminum tariffs. | ||
| I will not bend on April 2nd of reciprocity to all of our trading partners. | ||
| In the same time, India punched out of the bricks today. | ||
| Initial report that Modi said, hey, we're not going to play around with trying to do something alternative to the U.S. currency. | ||
| World historical events are happening today. | ||
| One thing I liked, Matt, when I heard you were doing the exclusive interview, I've been a big advocate of Secretary of Treasury Besant getting out there more, not just with the financial press, but with the grassroots and the political press, people like you, the national political editor at Breitbart, to really get the message out. | ||
| Why don't you tell us how it went? | ||
| Yeah, well, look, I think that it was an important moment because, look, I think that part of the jitters you see in markets and whatnot out there, you see the stock market go up and down. | ||
| And it's because they think that they're gonna be able to create some kind of uncertainty or lack of resolve in President Trump. | ||
| I think that it's abundantly clear now. | ||
| This is the way things are now. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| This is the way things are now. | ||
| President Trump's in charge. | ||
| He's going to do the tariffs and bring the companies back. | ||
| To America, whether they like it or not. | ||
| And I think that's the message I heard from Secretary Besant is that they are very focused on this. | ||
| We went through several examples of several companies. | ||
| That's gonna be one of the big stories that we're gonna come out with about this. | ||
| But also, they're reorienting the American economy off of government spending. | ||
| That was the thing of the last administration. | ||
| The Biden administration was entirely government spending dependent. | ||
| And one of the things that Secretary Besson is trying to do is what he calls reprivatize. | ||
| The American economy, get the money coming from the private sector, from American businesses, from American banks, and not from the government. | ||
| And I think that those goals are all laudable and they fit together with a broader national strategy, right? | ||
| You hear the establishment media and the fake news. | ||
| And this was another big thing we talked about. | ||
| The secretary was very much aggressively criticizing the fake news. | ||
| He said- That he's like, now that I'm secretary and I see how it really works in here, and I just see all these fake news outlets out there. | ||
| He's like, I don't think fake news is a strong enough term. | ||
| That's what he told me. | ||
| He said he doesn't think fake news is a strong enough term to describe the establishment media. | ||
| So what I'm getting at, Steve, here is that these people are trying to lie about President Trump and act like he doesn't have some grand vision here and that everything's just retaliatory and emotional. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| There is a grand vision here for the Trump economy. | ||
| And as it's playing out, you're seeing major companies make major decisions, right? | ||
| Aero Dynamics just announced a major reinvestment of a billion dollars in the United States, or $100 billion. | ||
| You're seeing all these other companies, right? | ||
| And I went through a list of them with Secretary Besant that are either coming back to the United States or just coming to the United States to get around the tariffs. | ||
| And I think that you're gonna see that happen more and more across the board. | ||
| I mean, Honda and Hyundai. | ||
| Are expanding operations here in the United States rather than Mexico or other places. | ||
| And I think that as you start to see that long term play out and you see this vision really take hold, the jitters are gonna fade away and things will sort themselves out and things will get back to normal. | ||
| And the American public is gonna enter this, what President Trump calls his new golden era. | ||
| I want to go back to something right there, because I've been a big advocate for the Secretary. | ||
| Like this morning, go to the White House, you brief the President, come to the sticks, and he was perfect. | ||
| He says, you guys run around with the hair on fire on tariffs. | ||
| You better be focused on the Schumer shutdown that could happen momentarily. | ||
| In fact, the rumor has it, Scott. | ||
| It did? | ||
| He just did? | ||
| We know that he's caved? | ||
| Schumer just came out. | ||
| Well, he's going to deliver a handful more Democrat votes, but Schumer just came out and said he will vote for cloture on the House past Trump-backed bill. | ||
| So, assuming Schumer has the command of a handful more Democrats in the Senate, there will not be a shutdown. | ||
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It happened during the commercial break. | |
| What a win for President Trump. | ||
| Just absolutely huge. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| To what you just said about what Besson said, Besson's not a hair-on-fire guy. | ||
| The reason he has a job, he's a very steady Eddie, very calm, probative capital markets guy, and particularly he's a macro. | ||
| So these are guys that make one or two big bets a year, and those bets can take years to pay off. | ||
| So you have to be really confident in your ability to see, analyze the situation, look over the horizon, and make a big bet. | ||
| When Scott Besson... | ||
| And he's talking about the business press that he has read and consumed for decades. | ||
| When he says that the business press and the mainstream media, fake news is not strong. | ||
| And this is why I've been telling those guys, disintermediate them. | ||
| Go to the stakes of the White House. | ||
| Get the boils of the world. | ||
| Get the best of this new ecosystem of reporters. | ||
| Talk directly to them and get to that audience. | ||
| And you're going to see a sea change here. | ||
| And what Besson says... | ||
| Fake news is not strong enough a term. | ||
| What do you think he means, sir? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think he's saying that the entire narrative that you see out there, we walked through several of them, right? | ||
| For instance, the price of X, right? | ||
| Like he was talking about this in particular. | ||
| Now, it's not really his lane. | ||
| It's more of a Brooke Rollins USDA lane. | ||
| But the point is, is that he was like, look, the establishment media went nuts with this whole price of X thing when they were on the way up. | ||
| But now that they're lower than when President Trump took office and on the way down, you don't hear a peep out of them about it, right? | ||
| Same thing with what you see with the markets. | ||
| When the market's all up, if the market starts going well, then all of a sudden they're going to find something else to go complain about. | ||
| The fact is that we mentioned a couple other examples, like a New York Times story. | ||
| It's really specific. | ||
| When you start seeing very serious people like Secretary Besson and others, and I know that he's in communication with several leading financial world folks, right, from the banks to the private sector to other folks in other governments around the world. | ||
| In fact, we talked about his meeting with Vladimir Zelensky, the president of Ukraine. | ||
| The fact is that there are serious people that are now beginning to realize that the New York Times and the CNBCs. | ||
| And like all these other places, they're not that- They're so far off from reality. | ||
| I think that these established media outlets are losing their credibility in a significant way. | ||
| And I agree with you, Steve. | ||
| I think that the more that these people do serious interviews, I'm not sitting here asking puff piece questions. | ||
| I'm asking them serious questions, right? | ||
| If you go down my list of stuff, when you see the actual interview, we'll start coming out with pieces of it tonight and over the coming days on Breitbart. | ||
| And so people should be on the lookout for that. | ||
| But the point is that these are serious journalists. | ||
| I'm asking him to explain it, and I let him explain his piece. | ||
| But I think that, frankly, what you have is this Trump derangement syndrome that's infected the entire establishment media. | ||
| These people are like The Walking Dead or something, right? | ||
| They're like zombies walking around infected with some killer virus that's just infected their ability to think clearly like human beings. | ||
| They're broken institutions. | ||
| They're destroyed. | ||
| And they keep getting worse. | ||
| They keep digging deeper. | ||
| So I think that what's gonna happen here is that as they fade more and more and they keep spreading more and more inaccurate information and fake news, we're gonna continue to spread the truth and we're gonna talk about accurate stuff and we're gonna replace them. | ||
| That's what's happening. | ||
| Slowly but surely, we are moving into the void that has been left behind by the fake news. | ||
| I got a couple more questions. | ||
| I just want to ask Logistics. | ||
| You actually were able to film part of this interview. | ||
| Part of it was print. | ||
| Is the film part going to go up sometime tonight? | ||
| Can our audience anticipate they can go to Breitbart? | ||
| It's a film. | ||
| We did a film interview. | ||
| That's why we picked this office to do it in. | ||
| It's on camera, the whole interview. | ||
| It's on a print interview. | ||
| So we're gonna have a piece of it tonight. | ||
| Our camera guys are here in the room right now. | ||
| The great Matt Purdy, who's standing right behind the camera here, is working on this with us right now. | ||
| And I gotta give a shout out to the whole Treasury Department staff. | ||
| By the way, Secretary Besson has a huge, great team. | ||
| Alexandra Priet, who I know you know well. | ||
| Rebecca Karabas, who's here right now in the room with us. | ||
| And a ton of- We're great folks, like Sophie, and I'm not gonna mispronounce her last name, but Delqui, and Samantha Schwab, and so many others. | ||
| I'm leaving them all out. | ||
| The crew is great. | ||
| But the point is, is that our guys are gonna caught a video, this video. | ||
| We're gonna roll it out in installments, like the interviews I've done with President Trump or Vice President Vance and others over the years when we do them on camera. | ||
| So what we do is we come out with a little clip, a little clip here, here, there, here, there. | ||
| And then we roll the whole thing out over. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| And the first clip will be out tonight? | ||
| People can anticipate that? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| We're going to move as fast as we can once we get out of here tonight. | ||
| So, yep. | ||
| That's the goal. | ||
| Okay, a couple questions. | ||
| What Scott Besson said to CNBC earlier, he said, look... | ||
| We could have continued this massive Keynesian exercise, this massive stimulus. | ||
| We could have run up debt. | ||
| We could have done this for two, three, four years. | ||
| But it's not sustainable, and it would have led to a financial catastrophe. | ||
| That's a profiling courage. | ||
| That's President Trump. | ||
| The detox they're doing, this intervention in this out-of-control spending. | ||
| Give me a second on that, your thoughts on that, because that shows real heroism. | ||
| You could have gone the easy path, but he decided to go the hard path. | ||
| What are your thoughts? | ||
| It's literally one of the core parts of the interview that I talked with the secretary about. | ||
| It was one of the first big, I mean, first I got his reaction to the latest CPI and PPI numbers and stuff, right? | ||
| And some of the critics out there got some stuff wrong on Trump on prices, but then went right into the reprivatizing of the economy is the way he talks about it. | ||
| And they said that it's a priority of his and President Trump's because they know that this was entirely fake. | ||
| It was manufactured. | ||
| There was no economic growth, Steve, right? | ||
| It was make-believe, right? | ||
| We're talking about funny money, not real numbers. | ||
| And what was happening is because it was the government, it was entirely the government. | ||
| And they want to leave the country better off than they found it. | ||
| He said that, what you just said. | ||
| He could have took the easy way. | ||
| Couple years, four years, you know, kick the can down the world, keep the government spending going and keep the fake stuff going on and not get the economy back to being an actual economy using real world, real money, right? | ||
| Rather than funny money that the government makes. | ||
| And, you know, he talked about that. | ||
| He could have took the easy way out and just, you know, kick the can down the road. | ||
| But the problem is, is that that's not sustainable for a nation. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| It's not sustainable for a nation in the long term. | ||
| And he knows that. | ||
| And President Trump knows that. | ||
| And that's why they are focused on actually turning this around. | ||
| And it was really refreshing to hear someone with the clinical, the detailed. | ||
| And again, to your point, Steve, he's not a bomb thrower. | ||
| He's not a fire breather like one of us. | ||
| He's a very clinical, straightforward, facts-oriented guy. | ||
| He's like, all right, this is what we're gonna do. | ||
| This is how we have to do it. | ||
| And then we're gonna do it. | ||
| And then that's what they're doing. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| Before letting you go, also, you just tied it together. | ||
| What you never see on mainstream media, and we have the multiple TVs consuming this all day long, and our staff around, you never hear... | ||
| I'll tell you what, Matt, we're going to jump to the floor right now and hear Senator Schumer right now, I think, conceding. | ||
| We'll be right back to you. | ||
| Republicans in Congress, meanwhile, have caved to his every whim. | ||
| The grand old party has devolved into a crowd of Trump sycophants and MAGA radicals who want to burn everything to the ground. | ||
| Look no further than what Doge is doing. | ||
| Now Republicans' nihilism has brought us to the brink of disaster. | ||
| Unless Congress acts, the federal government will shut down tomorrow at midnight. | ||
| I have said many times there are no winners in a government shutdown. | ||
| But there are certainly victims, the most vulnerable Americans, who rely on federal programs to feed their families, to access medical care, and to stay financially afloat. | ||
| Communities that depend on government services to function will suffer, and suffer greatly. | ||
| Democrats offered a sensible way out. | ||
| Fund the government for another month to give appropriators more time to do their jobs. | ||
| Republicans rejected this proposal outright. | ||
| Why did they reject it? | ||
| Because Donald Trump doesn't want the appropriators to do their job. | ||
| He wants full control over government spending. | ||
| He isn't the first president to want this. | ||
| But he's the first president to cower his party into submission. | ||
| So that Republican rejection leads us to a decision. | ||
| That Republican rejection leads us to a decision. | ||
| And it's not really a decision. | ||
| It's a Hobson's choice. | ||
| Either proceed with the bill before us, or risk Donald Trump throwing America into the chaos of a shutdown. | ||
| This, in my view, is no choice at all. | ||
| While the CR bill is very bad, the potential for a shutdown has consequences for America that are much, much worse. | ||
| For sure, the Republican bill is a terrible option. | ||
| It is not a clean CR. It is deeply partisan. | ||
| It doesn't address far too many of this country's needs, but I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option. | ||
| And before I explain why, let me be clear about one thing. | ||
| No one on my side of the aisle wants a government shutdown. | ||
| Members who support this CR... Members who oppose this CR do not want a government shutdown. | ||
| Members who oppose this CR want the Republicans to take their responsibilities more seriously and to negotiate spending bills that will address the many needs of the American people. | ||
| I respect them for that. | ||
| Unfortunately, though, this Republican Party is the party of Trump. | ||
| As bad as passing the CR is, as I said, allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option. | ||
| First, a shutdown would give Donald Trump and Elon Musk carte blanche to destroy vital government services at a significantly faster rate than they can right now. | ||
| Under a shutdown, the Trump administration would have full authority to deem whole agencies, programs, and personnel non-essential, furloughing staff with no promise they would ever be rehired. | ||
| The decision on what is essential would be solely left to the executive branch, with nobody left at the agencies to check them. | ||
| In short, a shutdown would give Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Doge, and vote, the keys to the city, state and country. | ||
| A shutdown would give Donald Trump the keys to the city, the state and the country. | ||
| And don't take my word for it. | ||
| Musk has said aloud he wants a shutdown. | ||
| And public reporting has shown he is already making plans to use the shutdown to expedite his destruction of key government programs and services. | ||
| Musk told reporters, if the job is not essential or they are not doing it well, they obviously shouldn't be on the public payroll. | ||
| Many federal employees and government experts are rightly worried that a temporary shutdown could lead to permanent cuts. | ||
| Third, or second really, second, if we enter a shutdown, congressional Republicans would weaponize their majorities to cherry pick which parts of the government to reopen. | ||
| In a protracted shutdown, House and Senate Republicans would pursue a strategy of bills to the floor and to only would bring a serious, pursue a strategy to of bringing bills to the floor to reopen only their favorite departments and agencies while leaving other vital services that they don't like to languish. | ||
| Third, the shutdown is not a political game. | ||
| Shutdown means real pain for American families. | ||
| For example, veteran services. | ||
| I believe a shutdown could cause vital It could cause regional VA offices to reduce staff, delay benefit processing, and curtail mental health services, abandoning veterans who earned and depended on those resources. | ||
| Social Security and seniors. | ||
| I believe a shutdown could greenlight Trump to slash administrative staff at Social Security offices, delaying new applications, benefit adjustments, and forcing seniors to wait even longer for the benefits they've earned. | ||
| Justice. | ||
| And courts. | ||
| Extremely troubling, I believe. | ||
| A shutdown could stall federal court cases, one of the best redoubts against Trump's lawlessness. | ||
| It could require to furlough critical staff at the courts, denying victims and defendants alike their day in court, dragging out appeals and clogging the justice system for months or even years. | ||
| This administration has shown an unfathomable willingness Finally, there is one more reason I oppose a shutdown. | ||
| President Trump and Republican leaders would like nothing more than to pull us into the mud of a protracted government shutdown. | ||
| For Donald Trump, A shutdown would be a gift. | ||
| It would be the best distraction he could ask for from his awful agenda. | ||
| Right now, Donald Trump owns the chaos in the government. | ||
| He owns the chaos in the stock market. | ||
| He owns the damage happening to our economy from one end of the country to the other. | ||
| The stock market is crashing. | ||
| Consumer confidence is plummeting. | ||
| Donald Trump is hoping for a shutdown. | ||
| He wants to gut Social Security, hollow out Medicaid, slap taxes on consumer goods through his reckless trade wars. | ||
| In a shutdown, we would be busy fighting with Republicans over which agencies to reopen, which to keep closed, instead of debating the damage Donald Trump's agenda. | ||
| Mr. President, I believe it is my job to make the best choice for the country to minimize the harms to the American people. | ||
| Therefore, I will vote to keep the government open and not shut it down. | ||
| There is nobody in the world, nobody, who wants to shut the government down more than Donald Trump. | ||
| And more than Elon Musk. | ||
| We should not give it to them. | ||
| And make no mistake, Democrats will continue to fight what Donald Trump is doing. | ||
| Everything that Trump, Musk, and Republicans have done so far has a clear goal. | ||
| Again, cutting taxes for billionaires, eviscerate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. | ||
| This is the fight that matters most, and the fight we must focus on. | ||
| All the chaos we have seen. | ||
| All the lawlessness, all the grift and corrupt behavior. | ||
| It's all about rigging the system in favor of the ultra-wealthy at the expense of working Americans. | ||
| This is the fight the American people need to see. | ||
| This is the fight that Democrats will win. | ||
| A shutdown will be a costly distraction from this all-important fight. | ||
| I yield the floor. | ||
| You've just heard an absolutely stunning surrender by Chuck Schumer on the Senate floor in a very weak and sad speech. | ||
| I mean, this means that the Democrats that had, for Schumer's shutdown, had all the possibilities of shutting down President Trump's government, have really just acquiesced to the Republican position. | ||
| It's absolutely stunning. | ||
| And 24 hours ago, All they were doing is smack talk after smack talk after smack talk. | ||
| They're going to do this. | ||
| They're going to do that. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, President Trump's government is not going to shut down tomorrow night at midnight. | ||
| Chuck Schumer has collapsed. | ||
| And I don't know if Mark Kelly, Mark Kelly came out earlier and said he was a no. | ||
| If Murphy's a yes in Connecticut, I think that ends his 28th. | ||
| I don't see how anybody on the Democratic side devotes to side with the Republicans. | ||
| Because I know Fetterman doesn't have any presidential ambitions. | ||
| How they can justify a national campaign. | ||
| Let me repeat this. | ||
| The Democratic Senate has just surrendered to President Trump. | ||
| The government will remain open tomorrow at midnight. | ||
| The temporary CR has passed. | ||
| Remember, we hate the CR. The Biden budget is $2 trillion. | ||
| None of the Doge numbers in there. | ||
| But this audience agreed, right? | ||
| We had the backs of the Congressmen, the House Freedom Caucus, all the members hung together, Berkshire, because as bad as it is, it was more important. | ||
| President Trump says, I need this government to stay open. | ||
| We have much more to do on Doge, but he says, I've also got all these other things I'm working on, war and peace and with Putin and all of it. | ||
| He made a request. | ||
| He came out on True Social many times. | ||
| Also talk to people around him, and we would echo that and tell you we were not a fan of this. | ||
| In fact, we hate it. | ||
| But for the good of the team and what President Trump felt he needed at the time, everybody would pitch in, and only Tom Massey. | ||
| And I don't hold against Tom Massey. | ||
| Tom Massey, I think, made a very principled—look, I've got problems with Massey on other issues, but here I thought he laid it out. | ||
| We had the votes. | ||
| But I don't think anybody on the Democratic side— Because in a situation you're in, like you just had this shattering defeat, like we had it in 2021, the early months of the steal. | ||
| After they stole it, remember, a third of MAGA kind of floated away because they were so crushed. | ||
| They came back, particularly when President Trump went to Orlando and spoke at CPAC 47 days after he returned to Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| But at that time, you remember how you have to kind of rally. | ||
| It's what you see Rachel Maddow trying to do every night with progressives. | ||
| And then they have this where the... | ||
| Eight Democrats essentially sided with the Republicans and President Trump to keep his government open. | ||
| There's all types of intellectual arguments and quite smart arguments, particularly from capital markets and from the lords of easy money on Wall Street, the hedge fund managers and the investment bankers that know Schumer very well. | ||
| There's all types of very rational arguments you can make that this is a smart position and you have to do it. | ||
| But politics is not always rational. | ||
| And in a situation like this, they're groping. | ||
| They're trying to grope their way through this and figure out kind of what works and what gets traction. | ||
| And the Democratic Senate has just shattered that, I think. | ||
| We've got a lot more to get to. | ||
| We're going to get back to this. | ||
| But there's not going to be a government shutdown tomorrow night. | ||
| President Trump's government will continue on, unabated. | ||
| This will take us through the end of the fiscal year of September 30th. | ||
| At the same time, now simultaneously, two things are going to happen. | ||
| Russ vote, and Russ vote got name-checked there by Schumer from the floor. | ||
| Remember, the doge cuts that have been done that they can identify. | ||
| Russ vote has said they're going to prepare packages for impoundment, and that that should come relatively quickly, maybe in the next month or so. | ||
| So they will bundle those cuts, and we will actually get Chris Murphy is a no, so he did not vote for it. | ||
| Voting no. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| So Chris Murphy, I've got to find out who these guys are. | ||
| I'm sure Blumenthal is one. | ||
| It's going to be quite extraordinary. | ||
| Let's go to, I tell you what, I want to play the cold open for Laura Loomer. | ||
| An attack today, I would say a terrorist attack at Trump Tower by these out-of-control students. | ||
| Laura Loomer is very close to the situation. | ||
| I want to play this because I've got to get this in tonight. | ||
| But Chuck Schumer and the Democrats have collapsed. | ||
| They've surrendered. | ||
| President Trump's government stays open. | ||
| We're going to get to the whole appropriation process, fiscal year 26. But in 25, Lindsey Graham, the guy saying in the Senate, they're going to try to work on rescissions packages. | ||
| Russ Vogt and OMB are going to work on impoundment with the Doge team. | ||
| So there's a lot more to go here on 2025. A lot more fights. | ||
| Headline. | ||
| They've surrendered, and I imagine that President Trump might actually come out and say something on this, or somebody at the White House, and we'll cut there directly live. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| I want to play a clip, and I want to bring in Laura Luma. | ||
| Let's go and play it. | ||
| Laura Loomer, that is a riot, ma'am. | ||
| What in the hell is going on there? | ||
| And I see, are those Jewish students that are supporting some of these terrorists? | ||
| I mean, it's so confusing, but that is in the beautiful atrium of Trump Tower, President Trump's magnificent office building on Fifth Avenue. | ||
| What in the hell is happening in New York City, ma'am? | ||
| Well, Steve, thanks so much for having me on. | ||
| Just as I said the other day when I was educating your audience about the Marxist Jews, this is a Marxist Jewish organization by the name of Jewish Voices for Peace. | ||
| They are anything but peaceful. | ||
| And there are arguments to be made that these people are self-hating Jews and also a lot of non-Jews who call themselves Jews, but they share a Marxist ideology. | ||
| And so unfortunately, as we've discussed, there are a lot of self-hating Jewish individuals. | ||
| Within the Jewish community who love Islam more than they love their own self-preservation. | ||
| And that's what these Jews are doing. | ||
| And that's what a lot of these individuals, Marxist individuals, cosplaying as Jews in Trump Tower today were doing. | ||
| They were protesting against President Trump's deportation order of a Palestinian-national, Syrian-born individual by the name of Mahmoud Khalil, who was one of the main agitators and organizers of these pro-Hamas riots, Steve, that we saw at Columbia University in coordination who was one of the main agitators and organizers of these pro-Hamas riots, Steve, that we saw at Columbia University in coordination with other Muslim Brotherhood-tied organizations like Students And I want to go ahead and break some exclusive news on your show. | ||
| I was about to post this on X, but I figured that I would just break it live here on War Room, Steve. | ||
| According to my investigation, I've uncovered that Joshua Doubler, the individual who I exposed on your show two days ago, that is the brother-in-law of Judge Jesse Furman, the judge who is overseeing and struck down President Trump's deportation order of Mahmoud Khalil. the judge who is overseeing and struck down President Trump's | ||
| His brother-in-law, Joshua Doubler, happens to be a member of the Rochester chapter of Jewish Voices for Peace, the same group, Steve, that just decided to carry out a domestic terrorist attack in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York City. | ||
| So if this conflict of interest wasn't already great enough two days ago when I exposed the conflict with the judge's wife, his son, his daughter, and his brother-in-law, is it not an even greater conflict today knowing that a blood relative by marriage, okay, the judge's wife's blood is it not an even greater conflict today knowing that a blood relative by marriage, okay, the judge's wife's blood brother, his brother-in-law, is a member, I mean, it's just unbelievable. | ||
| I don't know what the lawyers at the DOJ are gonna do, but somebody needs to present President Trump with this information because this is enough information, in my opinion, for them to file a motion to ask for this judge to recuse himself. | ||
| I find it to be incredibly inappropriate that the judge Has ties to Chuck Schumer, who President Trump is criticizing as being a Palestinian. | ||
| He has revoked Chuck Schumer's J card. | ||
| Yes, President Trump is that powerful that he's stripping Jewish people of their J cards for being self-hating Jews. | ||
| You have the wife who is currently serving. | ||
| I guess you could actually say the wife is now underneath the Trump administration as a recently appointed member under Joe Biden. | ||
| But it carried over to the current administration of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. | ||
| Marco Rubio and President Trump have the authority to fire her. | ||
| So two things need to happen. | ||
| The lawyers need to file a motion to ask this judge to recuse himself based off the conflict with the brother-in-law and the wife. | ||
| And the wife needs to be fired by the Trump administration and be stripped of her position, Steve, on the U.S. I want to go to something in a second. | ||
| I want to go back to something. | ||
| You're an advocate for free speech, are you not, ma'am? | ||
| Yes, I'm an advocate for free speech. | ||
| I'm a free speech absolutist, but acts of domestic terrorism is not protected speech. | ||
| Hang on, hang on. | ||
| Okay, hang on. | ||
| So you're a free speech absolutist. | ||
| You just said that this was a domestic terror attack. | ||
| Was it not just students down there doing the typical things students do when spring comes and that's protest? | ||
| Or was this a domestic terrorist attack? | ||
| A lot of the people who are members of Jewish Voices for Peace are not just students. | ||
| So I can't definitively say that this was a student-led protest because Jewish Voices for Peace has a coalition of people of all ages and backgrounds. | ||
| And so they're not just students. | ||
| You have a lot of people that are middle-aged and a lot of so-called professional individuals, Steve, who are members of these organizations. | ||
| They all like to say that they're students. | ||
| But as we saw in the case of Mahmoud Khalil, he graduated. | ||
| He got his master's degree. | ||
| And then they found him in Barnard just a couple weeks ago, even though he wasn't currently a student. | ||
| And so there are individuals that are not currently students who are gaining access to educational institutions. | ||
| They are engaged in pro-Islamic terror activities, and they are now engaged in pro-domestic terror activities. | ||
| And my question is, how is it that these people were able to go inside Trump Tower? | ||
| I mean, after two assassination attempts on President Trump's life, You would think that his properties would be a little bit more secure. | ||
| I remember that I would get lunch at the cafe and the restaurant inside Trump Tower. | ||
| They have the best taco bowls, really honestly, the best taco bowls ever if you go to Trump Tower. | ||
| I really love their taco bowls, Steve. | ||
| But if you go to Trump Tower and you get the taco bowl, you literally have to go through security just to go eat a taco bowl. | ||
| So I don't know how all of these radical protesters were able to just storm in without the police officers, and now there is enhanced security. | ||
| From my understanding, even Secret Service that is stationed there, because it is my understanding that, and perhaps I'm wrong on this, but last time I heard, I believe that Barron Trump is still living in Trump Tower while he's attending university at NYU. So how is it that these people were able to invade the residential area of Trump Tower? | ||
| It just doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if that's a residential. | ||
| I think that was the atrium of the office building. | ||
| Yeah, it's the atrium, but it's a residential building, though. | ||
| People still have to go through that building in order to access their residences, yes. | ||
| By the way, you're almost as bad as President Trump. | ||
| President Trump would take every opportunity before he became president or president-elect to pitch the Taco Bowl made at that restaurant in the lobby. | ||
| He loved it. | ||
| He would eat at least once a week. | ||
| He was pitching. | ||
| He was pitching all the time. | ||
| I want to go, though, your free speech absolutist. | ||
| Many of the people that you respect, the people that are on the side of the football and have been fighting this fight for many years, are questioning the graduate student of why is he treated like a terrorist? | ||
| Doesn't he just have an opinion about the war in Gaza? | ||
| Doesn't he have an opinion about how Israel has conducted itself militarily? | ||
| Why is that not free speech? | ||
| Why is he being treated? | ||
| Like a terrorist and not just, you know, President Trump's administration cutting off $400 million to the allocated of the, I guess, couple of billion at least that goes to Columbia. | ||
| And then why is he being deported? | ||
| Why is ICE having him and why does it look like he's going to be deported and deported immediately? | ||
| Ma'am. | ||
| Being in this country is a privilege, Steve. | ||
| Just because you are... | ||
| A green card holder doesn't mean that you are entitled to the same free speech protections as other people who are United States citizens. | ||
| There's a difference between criticizing foreign policy with Israel, Steve, and then passing out flyers calling for an intifada revolution, okay? | ||
| They wanna have an Islamic caliphate here in America. | ||
| They are organizing with groups that are found to be tied to the Muslim Brotherhood. | ||
| And I just wanna remind everybody that if it weren't for Eric Holder, okay, Barack Hussein Obama's attorney, And Barack Hussein Obama, our first Muslim president, okay, and he was a Muslim, our first Muslim president, Steve, we would have had all of these organizations shut down. | ||
| The Holy Land Foundation terrorism trial, which was the largest terrorism trial in United States history, Steve, had all these groups listed, all these groups ready to be shut down and prosecuted for taking and facilitating financial transactions with groups like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. | ||
| But now we have this proliferation of- Islamic activity on college campuses because the Muslim Students Association, which was the first offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood here in the United States of America, has been able to fester and spread like an uncontrollable cancer. | ||
| It's like a termite infestation. | ||
| And this is because of the actions of Barack Hussein Obama. | ||
| And so if we want to address these issues, I think that it's time for the Trump administration to call for the DOJ to reopen the Holy Land Foundation terrorism trial. | ||
| And also to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. | ||
| That will eliminate all of these people in one little swoop. | ||
| Where do we go to get your social media? | ||
| You've got a podcast now on a couple times a week. | ||
| You're back up on Twitter. | ||
| Where do people go, ma'am? | ||
| You can also subscribe to me at lauralumer at substack.com. | ||
| And you can also follow me on Rumble, rumble.com slash lauralumer, where I have my show, Lumer Unleashed, twice a week. | ||
| It's generally every Tuesday and Thursday, but had a bit of a schedule change today, so I'll be doing it tomorrow. | ||
| And that's twice a week, every Tuesday and Thursday, 9 p.m. | ||
| Eastern live. | ||
| So be sure that you tune in because we do a lot of investigative reporting. | ||
| We're exposing all these protests and all the violent funders, the people paying for this activism and domestic terrorism. | ||
| And where do people go on Twitter to get you, ma'am? | ||
| You can follow me on X at Laura Loomer, and then you can also follow at Loomer Unleashed. | ||
| That's the X account for my show. | ||
| Laura Loomer, always controversial and a fighter to the end. | ||
| Thank you, ma'am. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| What happened in the Trump lobby today, I don't know if I'd go as far as Laura and say it's a domestic terror attack, but that was just not a protest. | ||
| And the president, you know, this is a guy that they tried to put in prison for 700 years. | ||
| They've tried to assassinate a couple of times. | ||
| They tried to bankrupt. | ||
| And now, I don't know why New York City authorities, Secret Service, I agree with Laura. | ||
| You know, I've worked, that's where we ran the campaign, that was the atrium for Trump Tower, the business side. | ||
| The residence is actually on the side street and the lobby is quite small. | ||
| It is connected. | ||
| It is hard to find the connections, thank God you would have had those rioters in there. | ||
| But I don't, I can't understand what the protection President Trump has, and we know he's under increasing, in fact, can we get the, I want the Civil War comment that we played for the beginning. | ||
| I want to play this because the rhetoric's heating up. | ||
| So much is happening today. | ||
| I was going to get to the Mike Turner. | ||
| I was going to talk about Russia. | ||
| I was going to talk about Putin. | ||
| President Trump was adamant today. | ||
| But so much has happened. | ||
| Let's play this clip that we started the show a couple hours ago. | ||
| Because I want this to set kind of the foundation of what just happened with the surrender of the Senate led by Chuck Schumer. | ||
| Let's go and play this. | ||
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Do all congressional Democrats believe that President Trump is pushing for a civil war? | |
| I can't speak for everyone. | ||
| And certainly, Ms. Waters made her position clear. | ||
| Do I think he's... | ||
| You know, let me say this. | ||
| It is very clear that what Donald Trump is doing right now is violently impacting the communities that we represent. | ||
| Whether that ultimately ends in a civil war remains to be seen. | ||
| Well, if that ends in a civil war, that is the house. | ||
| They're sitting there preaching, you know, you're right on the cusp of the civil war. | ||
| Chuck Schumer just surrendered and said President Trump's government will continue on unabated until September 30th, fully financed. | ||
| It's a shocker. | ||
| And I got to tell you, the Democrats are going to feel like they're gutted. | ||
| I believe the Democrats don't feel, the few working class people there, they don't feel like anybody represents them. | ||
| They don't feel like anybody fights with them. | ||
| This is why I'm trying to do more outreach to some of these Democrat, you know, or independent podcasts and TV shows to reach out to these people and say, hey, you may not like everything that we stand for, but you're going to like enough that you can join us now because we're going to fight through to the end. | ||
| For more populist nationalist policies. | ||
| They're looking for somebody to stand up and fight for them. | ||
| And right now, Schumer and seven other of his colleagues combined to cave to a CR, which they had every opportunity to force Trump to shut down the government. | ||
| This is a massive, massive, massive political victory for President Trump. | ||
| His negotiating skills and, quite frankly, calling people's bluffs. | ||
| I think he did it with Zelensky. | ||
| He's got everything west of Zelensky. | ||
| It's going to be much harder with the Russians. | ||
| I would hope that they would take the big picture for the rapprochement. | ||
| President Trump's always going to get quite engaged here. | ||
| You've seen, I think he's also said the word is that they want Scott Besson out more in front on some of these economic things. | ||
| I can't wait for Matt Boyle's presentation tonight. | ||
| We're going to see that. | ||
| I'm sure Cain at Citizens Free Press will have the first clip, so we'll be looking forward to that. | ||
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