March 11, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| Because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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Mega Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| War Room. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Monday, 10 March, year of early, 2025. Before you lose our battery pack. | ||
| At the White House, because we've been up all day. | ||
| I want to go back to Natalie. | ||
| Natalie, I want to just hit rewind just for a minute. | ||
| This is so important, because what's supposed to be a simple kind of intermediary between people, small donors who want to give money and candidates, and you said smurfing. | ||
| I want to talk to you about that tomorrow. | ||
| We don't have time tonight, because you know. | ||
| There are no more $20 givers to the Democratic Party. | ||
| They go to a person's door and knock on it and say, hey, you make $35,000 and you just gave $18,000 to some radical Democrat. | ||
| How shocking is this that they really are a conduit for kind of this phony money that comes from God knows where to really fund the invasion of our country through all these unpatriotic NGOs, ma'am? | ||
| I think the most shocking thing about this story is really just the scope of it, like we were getting to in the previous show, right? | ||
| This isn't just some one-off organization. | ||
| This isn't just some gotcha NGO. This is from start to finish, right? | ||
| Even when the fact that it would be a legal alien is in their hometown, home country, even in terms of plotting and planning their trek to the United States, these NGOs are involved in that vertical. | ||
| Then when they actually interact, when they actually attempt You have groups that are giving out, doling out aid in the form of... | ||
| Water and services. | ||
| Then once they're actually interacting or obtained or caught by Border Patrol, which by the way, all the activists and PACs and candidates that ActBlue is concurrently funding are also working to deplete that agency, those officers of their funding, but we can set that aside for a second. | ||
| Then like I was saying, Catholic charities, all these notorious, notorious groups that are flying these legal aliens into the interior of this country, oftentimes at taxpayer expense, while some of their budget is being... | ||
| You know, buttressed, right, by funds coming from ActBlue, which pretends to be, you know, sort of vaguely democratic, but this is a full-blown open borders agenda. | ||
| I mean, there's no whitewashing it. | ||
| There's no euphemistic way to put it. | ||
| Then once these illegal aliens get to their final destination, whatever town, maybe your town, that they're flown into... | ||
| All these legal firms and legal resources that are available to these individuals for free, whether it's trying to avoid deportation or getting their green card, their citizenship application, some of these groups explicitly stating that they work with criminals that need FBI background checks. | ||
| But then even on the other side of it, they're working right now. | ||
| A lot of these groups are actively suing. | ||
| President Trump in court over his efforts to curtail the Biden nightmare that was that invasion. | ||
| They're operating ICE emergency response hotlines. | ||
| They're operating Know Your Rights campaigns, training illegal aliens, coaching them how to lie if they come face-to-face with an ICE officer, with an ICE agent, with Tom Homan himself, right? | ||
| Then on the other side of it, you have these people organizing massive demonstrations, massive campaigns, coaching Americans how to... | ||
| And if you get into the ideologies that undergird so many of these groups, and this is, like I said, not one-off. | ||
| These are really, really radical groups who sort of all have the same typography and same euphemisms that they use and same stated agendas. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| It's all sort of cut from the same cloth because it's all the same donors, right? | ||
| It's all the coordinated effort. | ||
| But they advocate for the most radical things, whether it's Liberation. | ||
| Abolition. | ||
| They want detention to end entirely. | ||
| This is not me, you know, drawing, connecting dots. | ||
| That is their stated mission statement for many, many of these groups. | ||
| And like I said, you can go to my Twitter, my ex, and you can see the thread, but there are dozens, dozens of groups that are working, that are partnered with ActBlue, taking their funds. | ||
| So the same people who are, you know, the elusive MSNBC viewer that doesn't exist. | ||
| But Steve, I think you also hit the nail on the head, and it's something I'll dig into tonight. | ||
| But just like these people have been smurfing, right, the contributions to actual Democratic candidates, I think the question becomes if they've been doing similar smurfed contributions to a lot of these border NGOs as well. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And this ties all into USAID. I am not suicidal, and I'll put it at that. | ||
| Natalie, where do people... | ||
| Now, you've got one of the longest threads you've ever put up. | ||
| I understand... | ||
| Twitter's been in and out today. | ||
| They say they're getting attacked by some foreign entities or some individuals, some non-state actors, maybe state actors. | ||
| So that's a little sketchy. | ||
| But this is the longest thread you say you've ever put up? | ||
| Yeah, we've already hit, I think, like 13 or 14 million views, so we've prevailed over the DDoS attacks, but I encourage everyone to go read it. | ||
| I just think it's important to drill down as much as we hear terms like, you know, open borders thrown around or the invasion, when you actually put not just NGOs... | ||
| To the sort of architecture of all this. | ||
| And more importantly, Steve, these people have names, they have faces, they have addresses, they have phone numbers. | ||
| I'm not advocating for anything wild, but I'm just saying the people who have coordinated this need to be held responsible. | ||
| And you can't get accountability if you don't call people out. | ||
| So I think this is an important thread for a host of reasons, but first and foremost because it helps us understand who's been coordinating this invasion. | ||
| Natalie will be back with us from the White House tomorrow. | ||
| One more time, Natalie, where do people go on your social media to get all this? | ||
| Natalie G. Winters on X, Instagram, all the places get her. | ||
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow. | ||
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Fantastic. | |
| See you tomorrow. | ||
| Important, and grace and mode, let's go ahead and push this. | ||
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Very, very important. | |
| And quite frankly, disgusting. | ||
| Because this is about the destruction of your country. | ||
| It was, it was, this is, you know, Benzman. | ||
| And these folks kept saying, hey, this is not chaos. | ||
| This is very well organized. | ||
| And now you're seeing one of the conduits for money, for cash money. | ||
| Now that it's going to get tomorrow, exactly where did that money come from? | ||
| Because I don't believe it's small donors. | ||
| She's going to walk you through what smurfing is, which became prevalent at ActBlue. | ||
| And this shows you they were acting against the interests of the working class in this country, the middle class, and people didn't give money for this. | ||
| This came from other sources. | ||
| So the president, there's another very disturbing tweet out right now basically saying that the president is having to get involved, that the Senate, the big hang-up now, is the Senate. | ||
| And they're actually saying Republican senators. | ||
| We know that Rand Paul's already said that he's not voting for the CR tomorrow. | ||
| I haven't heard inklings of other people. | ||
| I know there's a lot of hate and discontent about this. | ||
| But President Trump right now, as I believe, and I thought the whipping, he was whipping votes and talking to people directly on the House side, because there's a lot of people very, very, very upset about this. | ||
| They're upset about two things. | ||
| The principle is they're upset about the process. | ||
| That President Trump was promised things, and the American people and the MAGA movement, the Republican Party, were promised a process that would get back on track. | ||
| And we had the process that worked, that was single subject. | ||
| Appropriation bill. | ||
| Because when you have a single subject appropriation bill, guess what? | ||
| You have time to get down in the State Department or the affiliated group of a thing called USAID. And you get to sit there and go, well, why in the hell are we financing all this, which is really the destruction of our country? | ||
| We'll go back and I'll ask Eli Crane and his staff. | ||
| We'll get a couple of Gates and Eli Crane's in the middle of the night, 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning, hammering at the subcommittee level and being outvoted all the time. | ||
| This has been an issue from day one. | ||
| And people said, hey, we're going to get this back on track. | ||
| We're going to do this. | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| We're now in a jam where we said, hey, we'll get them next time. | ||
| Well, people are tired of getting them. | ||
| We're going to get them next time. | ||
| Now, we understand, particularly for the president to implement his agenda, what we don't want is a government shutdown. | ||
| They're dying to do it. | ||
| And I keep saying that I think the hangar was going to be on the Democratic side of the Senate. | ||
| And Tim Kaine, who's supposed to be a moderate, Tim Kaine just came out and I think said under no circumstances will he be voting for this. | ||
| So the Senate's going to be a real jam and we might have to do some work tomorrow. | ||
| We're going to get more information as things come in. | ||
| I know people are not happy. | ||
| I don't expect you to be happy on this one because it's not much to be happy about. | ||
| This is one we may have to push down the field just to make sure that we're not strung up. | ||
| And my fear about, look, we don't mind government shutdowns. | ||
| We think they're positive. | ||
| In this regard, it's President Trump running the deal. | ||
| And if you go in, if you shut the government down, I haven't heard a plausible way of how you're going to unshut it, how you're going to open it back up. | ||
| And they would love to have President Trump strung out. | ||
| And so we have to take that just practical politics. | ||
| I know it doesn't sit well, and it doesn't sit well with me. | ||
| Particularly what sticks in my craws is that Doge, particularly the work Doge has done, and it hasn't been trains of dollars, but it's been something, and it's something significant. | ||
| And they do have some more cuts in there. | ||
| I think they got $10 billion of kind of... | ||
| Offsets are some social programs in order to raise some things. | ||
| And it's not a lot of money. | ||
| You know, you get so jaundiced here or so, you know, just hardened by the fact that it's $10 billion here, $100 billion there, $50 billion there. | ||
| There is some increase in the defense budget. | ||
| I think there's a little bit about deportations, and they had to have some cuts. | ||
| They found some cuts on the... | ||
| Social side, I think, is $10 billion. | ||
| Well, I said, why don't you include the Doge cuts? | ||
| And I've been told consistently, because the Democrats will not vote for it in the Senate. | ||
| If you do that, you're going to force a government shutdown. | ||
| So you have to kind of take one for the team. | ||
| Now, that being said, I said from the beginning, I think you're going to have a huge problem in the Senate anyway, because I don't see these Democrats. | ||
| They like keeping the government open when it's Democrats with the taps on spending the money. | ||
| When you've got someone like President Trump and he's got Doge all over the place, They're going to look to shut it down. | ||
| And I just think the Senate Democrats are going to be impossible to deal with. | ||
| We'll have to see. | ||
| We'll just have to see. | ||
| I know President Trump is pretty engaged. | ||
| I'm getting reports. | ||
| I'm seeing tweets that he's actually whipping, and that means making phone calls to people in the House. | ||
| I assume he's going to be on the Senate in a moment. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play. | ||
| Okay, we've got a couple things. | ||
| Freed's a car, but I want to play MSNBC. Our favorite went at it all in. | ||
| This afternoon, let's go ahead and play that, and I'll make some commentary and observations at the end. | ||
| Donald Trump's decision to side with Elon Musk and the new American oligarchs has created one of the biggest political fault lines in our politics right now, one that puts Donald Trump on the other side of two of the biggest and most animated grassroots political movements of the last decade. | ||
| Stuff that resonates with a large swath of the American public, including Democrats. | ||
| It also reveals the tensions between what Donald Trump has promised to do for the millions of people who voted for him and what he is actually doing with Elon Musk as his wingman. | ||
| Elon Musk and Donald Trump's decision to slash and burn large chunks of the federal government. | ||
| It threatens to completely wreck agencies that serve the needs, financial and otherwise, of millions of Trump's own voters, millions of Americans who depend on those agencies. | ||
| Everything from the VA to Social Security. | ||
| And it's all under threat. | ||
| It's a political threat, though, now as well to the MAGA movement. | ||
| And at least one MAGA architect is saying so. | ||
| Steve Bannon. | ||
| New York Times reports this, quote, I don't want to say it's an anchor or a lodestone, Bannon said on Friday of Musk on his show War Room, which is watched closely by a number of Trump allies as well as by the president himself. | ||
| Quote, it's not that yet, but it's trending. | ||
| That is starting to affect everybody. | ||
| That is just weeks after Steve Bannon called Elon Musk a, quote, truly evil person, end quote, and a, quote, parasitic illegal immigrant, end quote. | ||
| That description is based on reporting, denied by Musk, that he overstayed his student visa while working on his first company. | ||
| Now, for his part, Elon Musk called Steve Bannon a, quote, great talker but not a great doer, accusing him of getting nothing done. | ||
| Brand new reporting from the New York Times that the war of words between these two men has not gone unnoticed by Donald Trump. | ||
| From that new report, quote, Trump has made clear he wants to keep both men and their allies within his movement. | ||
| In mid-February, the president told Mr. Bannon that he wanted him to lay off the attacks on Musk and for the two men to sit down privately, according to two people. | ||
| That meeting has not happened yet, and it is not clear when or if it will. | ||
| Steve Bannon is not alone in fearing that Trump and Musk's pro-American oligarch agenda is alienating wide swaths of voters. | ||
| New York Times reports this. | ||
| The billionaire's signature slash and burn style and showy spending cuts have reverberated far beyond the Capitol, making even lawmakers from deep red states begin to sweat. | ||
| That's because Elon Musk is deeply unpopular. | ||
| One poll found that 34% of Americans approve of Elon Musk's role in the federal government. | ||
| And there's little room for that to improve. | ||
| Only 3% of Americans say they have not heard of Elon Musk. | ||
| It is a golden, nearly unprecedented opportunity for the Democratic Party. | ||
| They are eager to find ways to publicly oppose Donald Trump. | ||
| Senator Chris Murphy telling the New York Times this, That's the message. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| It is persuasive. | ||
| And if we repeat it over and over again, they won't win. | ||
| And I think that what Steve Bannon awoke... | ||
| This is a longer conversation, but I spend copious hours thinking about it. | ||
| The Republican base was... | ||
| Up for the taking, because the Bush years obviously focused on two wars that grew very unpopular and traditional free trade. | ||
| Those messages and those ideas were never animated or updated in the campaigns of John McCain or Mitt Romney. | ||
| And so the Republican base was roiling with discontent, dissatisfaction, and disaffection from its leaders. | ||
| Steve Bannon is the architect or the organizer of all that discontent with traditional elite Republicans. | ||
| Trump sort of was the plug that just plugged into the wall. | ||
| But the person who sort of pointed to all those voters out there is Bannon. | ||
| And I'm not trying to aggrandize. | ||
| I find his politics and his associations and his commingling with white nationalism and white supremacy odious. | ||
| But in terms of powering the voters that are animated by Trump, it has nothing to do with an American oligarchy. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| It may be authoritarian curious, but it is still allergic to an oligarchy, which is what Trump and Musk have ushered in. | ||
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Yeah, you know, I didn't have on my bingo card that I had to choose between Steve Bannon and Elon Musk today. | |
| But you do point out this fundamental tension here. | ||
| You know, Steve Bannon articulated what became the populist appeal of Donald Trump. | ||
| And frankly, he's speaking out saying, you know, look, what Elon Musk is doing here, this is not what we were talking about. | ||
| We were talking about a working class populist revolution. | ||
| Elon Musk has many skills, but he is politically tone deaf. | ||
| And it is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out, because Donald Trump obviously feels very, very beholden right now to Elon Musk and the resources that he can bring to the administration and maybe to the midterm elections. | ||
| But the symbolism could not be worse from the point of... | ||
| But, you know, Steve Bannon's point of view where he said, look, we're going to be a working class party. | ||
| We're going to be a populist party. | ||
| We're going to be against the elites. | ||
| And here you have Elon Musk, who has many, many skills, but political sensitivity is not among them. | ||
| I think it goes even further for the Democrats. | ||
| I think if Bannon had prevailed, the MAGA movement would right now be diversifying along genders, along age, along all ethnic. | ||
| I mean, and instead, it has completely hit a wall where the MAGA base is having to grapple with the fact that they elected a king whose jester is named Elon Musk. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
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We are growing and expanding every day, exactly along the lines she said there at the end. | |
| President Trump is a populist nationalist to his core. | ||
| He's anti-globalist. | ||
| He has been from the very beginning. | ||
| And this is one of the reasons this movement has gotten such velocity, to have the come-from-behind victory in 16 against the neoliberal, neocon Clintons, and essentially destroy them, to take them really out of politics after that. | ||
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They've been crippled as a political mafia. | |
| And then to have the 2020 election stolen with 74 million votes, almost 11 million votes more than we got in 2016, which is just absolutely epic to have that election stolen. | ||
| And then the years that President Trump was in the wilderness reading, studying, meeting people, thinking for what he's come back with, and this plan to really restore America to a form of greatness is nothing short of breathtaking. | ||
| What he's doing and the scale he's doing it at is absolutely breathtaking. | ||
| And you don't need Elon Musk to be politically astute. | ||
| His role and function here is for this doge is to find waste, fraud, and abuse in a $6.5 trillion budget that everybody admits is out of control. | ||
| Now, what we're left with today... | ||
| Is the fact that the CR that we have to pass on a temporary basis, right, to get us to the end of the fiscal year, unfortunately doesn't have the cuts that DOGE has found, and we have to finance those until such time as either with an impoundment coming from the White House on their theory of this unitary executive and or the Senate or Congress comes back and rescinds what they passed, and you can do that. | ||
| Both of these are quite complicated. | ||
| The empowerment's more straightforward, but given what the Supreme Court has basically ruled with President Trump on foreign aid, there's $2 billion President Trump wants to cut off, and now we're hung up in the courts, and the Supreme Court, at least right now, along the lines that they see, have not put it on the emergency docket. | ||
| This gets down to the whole judicial insurrection by these radical judges Mike Davis has told you about and told you was coming against President Trump's agenda. | ||
| To me, it's quite simple, is that Doge has to continue on and actually has to ramp up. | ||
| I have said it was the lone voice, with all the fanboys of Elon Musk, was the lone voice that said he's got to cross the Potomac and get to the Pentagon. | ||
| The Pentagon is the Mac Daddy of waste, fraud, and abuse. | ||
| The people over there would admit it. | ||
| Hell, I think they haven't passed an audit, I don't know, in 30 or 40 years, but they actually say there's $2 trillion of assets. | ||
| They're the first to admit it. | ||
| They're unauditable. | ||
| This is where Doe should be the best. | ||
| Plus it gets to the reality check of what we have to do. | ||
| You want to not have bad financial news or economic news like we had 10 days ago about the fourth quarter's inflation going from 2.2% to 4.2% upon further review. | ||
| You want to actually stop inflation from getting embedded into the system. | ||
| Of what is happening with this massive federal spending that now at higher interest rates has to be refinanced at higher and higher costs. | ||
| That now the cost itself is the actual interest we pay without paying a penny to the face amount of the debt without paying a penny to that is now, I think, $1.2 or $1.3 trillion. | ||
| That's the gross payment. | ||
| I know we netted it out from interest to come in, but you really can't look at it that way. | ||
| You have to look at it as a financing charge, not net of what you're taking in. | ||
| That should be another revenue stream. | ||
| You have to get eventually to do something that's quite painful. | ||
| It's going to be very hard because the nation is addicted. | ||
| The political class is addicted and the country's kind of become addicted. | ||
| Part of this is the economic distress of what's happened with our economic model and that gets back to what President Trump is trying to use the tariffs for. | ||
| The tariffs is just not simply to stop fentanyl. | ||
| It's a huge part and that's why it's an emergency. | ||
| But the tariffs are also rethinking We're thinking what the economic model is. | ||
| And what he's saying, hey, we're a premium market. | ||
| For years we've been ripped off from everybody. | ||
| The Canadians rip us off big time. | ||
| India rips us off big time. | ||
| EU rips us off big time. | ||
| Our allies, Korea and Japan, this is the problem. | ||
| Everybody we're propping up underwriting their national security at the same time on commerce and trade is sticking it to us. | ||
| President Trump's saying, hey, guess what? | ||
| We're going to sort that out. | ||
| It's going to be reciprocity. | ||
| We're going to level that playing field. | ||
| In addition, it's a premium market. | ||
| If you want to get into the United States, you're going to have to pay a premium. | ||
| Just like for a sporting event or for a concert, you're going to have to pay a premium. | ||
| This is the payoff for Burke's Little Platoons. | ||
| You provide the civic society that's created this. | ||
| There should be a payment to it. | ||
| And lo and behold, he offers them a deal and says, hey, by the way, if you reshore your manufacturing that we had here when we were manufacturing superpower, From World War II all the way to the early 1970s and 80s when we started to gut ourselves, you know, once an eagle stricken by an arrow, said by my own hand, am I stricken? | ||
| That's what happened here. | ||
| We gutted ourselves. | ||
| Our elites gutted us. | ||
| And people stood by and the Republican Party kind of, I don't know, looked the other way. | ||
| That's what's controlled opposition. | ||
| What President Trump is doing is reshoring jobs. | ||
| Not a couple, three here. | ||
| Hundreds of billions of dollars. | ||
| It's almost, I think, $700 or $800 billion in 45 days. | ||
| And this is not from a bunch of Schmendrick companies you've never heard of. | ||
| This is from Apple. | ||
| This is from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing. | ||
| This is from Honda. | ||
| This is the premier. | ||
| This is platinum-level companies putting in big dollars to bring major facilities back here. | ||
| Number one. | ||
| They understand that energy costs and supply chain and logistics and all that, it makes sense. | ||
| You're going to have to pay higher labor costs. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| They're going to try to be gutting labor with artificial intelligence. | ||
| Wait for that. | ||
| That's another problem that's got to be dealt with. | ||
| But in fact, I think Apple with the $500 billion, they're talking about 20,000 jobs. | ||
| That's not a ton of jobs for $500 billion. | ||
| But that's a problem we can deal with. | ||
| Number one is to get the manufacturing back here. | ||
| And there's going to be some turmoil. | ||
| I've said this over and over again. | ||
| All of this is just not going to be smooth because you're kind of redoing many things at the same time. | ||
| Number one, geostrategically. | ||
| What is he trying to do? | ||
| He's trying to end the shooting part of the Third World War, which we're already in. | ||
| This is far bloodier. | ||
| Far bloodier. | ||
| At any scale you look. | ||
| So much worse than the beginning of World War II. It just is in scale, in viciousness, in the annihilation factor. | ||
| Far, far, far worse. | ||
| He's trying to handle that at the same time, reposition us for hemispheric defense. | ||
| And deal with this financial mess that he was handed? | ||
| Oh, and at the same time, deconstruct the administrative state? | ||
| No president in the history of the nation, including Roosevelt with World War II, And the Depression has had to handle what President Trump has had to handle. | ||
| And I'll go through chapter and verse. | ||
| And we're here to support that. | ||
| But he is not an oligarch and does not support oligarchs. | ||
| He's trying to build out a broadening coalition, a 1930-type coalition, like FDR did, when he had tycoons on Wall Street and Harvard professors. | ||
| He had hardcore... | ||
| Crackers down in Georgia, Mississippi, and Alabama. | ||
| When I was a boy, you know, only thing I remember, we were Democrats, we were Southern Democrats, and everybody was a Southern Democrat. | ||
| We didn't even know Republicans existed. | ||
| They were like these, you know, good government types wandering around, you know, Boston and towns like that. | ||
| President Trump, it's Herculean. | ||
| It's never been done before in American history. | ||
| It's never been done before in the history of anywhere. | ||
| And it's going to be a fight. | ||
| We understand it's going to be a fight. | ||
| But he is the leader. | ||
| Like I said, 100 years from now, they're going to remember Trump and MAGA. All the rest of us will be forgotten by history. | ||
| How do I know that? | ||
| I study history. | ||
| And I can tell you, all the people that worked on this, they're forgotten. | ||
| It's the MAGA movement. | ||
| The most important political movement in the history of this nation. | ||
| And Donald John Trump, our 45th and our 47th president. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
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| There's a naval exercise that's going to start in kind of my old neighborhood when I was a kid, or a young man, a young naval officer. | ||
| The North Arabian Sea, Northern Indian Ocean, Gulf of Oman, you're going to have the Chinese Communist Party Navy, the Russian Navy, and guess what? | ||
| The Persian Navy, all working together on joint exercises. | ||
| Over the weekend, Newsweek magazine did a, quite frankly, I thought a pretty smart piece. | ||
| Drudge picked it up as the Mac Daddy. | ||
| If we can put the Mac Daddy up for a second. | ||
| About the Caribbean, something we've had people on here for years. | ||
| The Committee on the Present Danger of China, our naval experts, Captain Fennell, of course Frank Gaffney and the team. | ||
| Look at that right there. | ||
| He's going to turn the Caribbean into a lake. | ||
| I want to bring in Cleo Pascal right now. | ||
| Cleo Pascal joins us. | ||
| Cleo, you're a naval expert, naval strategist, geostrategist. | ||
| You talk a lot about the Pacific, but I want to take you to the Caribbean and then back through the Panama Canal. | ||
| This is why President Trump, on his idea of hemispheric defense, is maniacally focused on the Panama Canal. | ||
| Secretary of State Rubio didn't go to London, didn't go to Berlin, didn't go to Paris or Rome or Geneva or to Moscow or Beijing. | ||
| He went to Panama. | ||
| To check out that canal. | ||
| And we know that Larry Fink and his team at BlackRock ended up buying it from Hutchinson and Wampoa, at least the operation of the canal itself. | ||
| Now, hey, is that great? | ||
| It's not the greatest, but at least it's marginally better than having the Chinese Communist Party controlled through Hutchinson and Wampoa. | ||
| Your thoughts, ma'am, on the Chinese and the strategic thinking that took to turn the Caribbean into a Chinese? | ||
| I mean, this is so far more advanced. | ||
| Then what the Russians try to do in Cuba in the Cuban Missile Crisis, it's almost shocking because it's much more thorough and fundamental. | ||
| And then you understand the value of the Panama Canal, particularly to cut off the Chinese Navy from the three island chains, you know, from coming in and taking away the Pacific as the great natural barrier. | ||
| Cleo Pastel, the floor is yours. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, so one of the things that you see, the way that they get in is through this commercial front, right? | ||
| So they say we're here for economic development. | ||
| A lot of these places really do need economic development. | ||
| But it always has this strategic element to it. | ||
| So we're going to help you build a port, but the port just happens to have specs that are very helpful for... | ||
| Or PLA Navy operations, for example. | ||
| But the third part, which is also always there, is criminal activity. | ||
| So they're smuggling things in through the port. | ||
| They're buying off the local customs guys. | ||
| And they might think that they're just doing it for drugs, even though the drugs are incredibly socially destructive on their own. | ||
| But we also don't know what else they're smuggling in. | ||
| And a lot of this comes in through the rubric, under the rubric of the Belt and Road Initiative, the BRI. Which, to me, stands for the Bribery and Repression Initiative, because what they're actually exporting is a system of operations. | ||
| So this bribery and this repression infects the systems, infects the target countries, and then basically gives the CCP, over a length of time, maneuvers of control and leverage. | ||
| You see it very clearly in places like Solomon's, where suddenly... | ||
| Coast Guard can't land. | ||
| Vanuatu Coast Guard couldn't land. | ||
| So all these things start to happen. | ||
| They're just below the radar. | ||
| I don't like the term grey zone. | ||
| I prefer the Philippines term of ICAD, illegal, coercive, aggressive, and deceptive to describe what's going on. | ||
| But basically, it's not just offshore. | ||
| It is getting right into the mechanisms of state and using bribery and repression. | ||
| To distort the society and make it very difficult for others to operate there and for local honest people to be able to fight for their own sovereignty. | ||
| How does this tie with their plan in the Pacific? | ||
| You know, you got the three island chains, which are a natural barrier for the United States, and then you have the... | ||
| The vast desert ocean of the Pacific. | ||
| Of course, you correctly say, Steve, I think you really mean the American heartland. | ||
| We'll talk about that another time because that's a big surprise we've got some people. | ||
| But President Trump sees this. | ||
| He sees this as a hemisphere defense. | ||
| Why is the concern of the Caribbean tied back to the Panama Canal to what they've done in Polynesia, what they're trying to do in the Third Island chain? | ||
| So we're going to go to Heartland now, whether you like it or not, because they can't get to the Caribbean unless they control or can pass through the Pacific. | ||
| They don't transport. | ||
| They don't magically appear in the Caribbean. | ||
| That's why the Panama Canal is so important, but also that's why the islands are so important. | ||
| And there has been this big hole in American strategic thinking around the center of the Pacific. | ||
| And this is what led up to World War II, right? | ||
| The U.S. It had the Philippines and it had Guam, so it thought it could contain Japan off the Asian coast. | ||
| I have a map if you want. | ||
| Basically, Japan, through its control of the Japanese mandate, had control of what's now the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, Palau, Federal States of Micronesia, and Marshall Islands. | ||
| So it controlled the heartland, the strategic heartland, the geographical pivot of history in the center of the Pacific. | ||
| We've been sort of brainwashed to a European strategic map. | ||
| That Eurasian landmass was a UK, it was a Mackinder invention, he was European. | ||
| The world island was Eurasia, Europe, and Africa. | ||
| America was sort of on the periphery. | ||
| But for the concerns of North America, our brain has been distorted by these Eurocentric maps. | ||
| If you put the Pacific at the center of the map, then you can see that unless the U.S. has control or has strategic denial over the Central Pacific, the U.S. isn't safe. | ||
| And it's not just... | ||
| It's not just the Philippines or the treaty allies, you know, the first or second island chain. | ||
| Unless you can get to the first or second island chain, unless you have that denial and maneuverability within that heartland, and that includes up to the Aleutians. | ||
| I mean, Billy Mitchell was talking about this in the 30s, right? | ||
| If you have... | ||
| Control over Alaska, then you can control a lot of that zone as well. | ||
| So it's the Aleutians and then down through that Central Pacific. | ||
| That is what is at play. | ||
| And everything that we're seeing in the Caribbean, we're seeing the Chinese do in those islands, including in U.S. territories. | ||
| I testified before Congress last week, and the representative from Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, who was on the Commonwealth Ports Authority Board of Tinian, Tinian is where the U.S. is rehabilitating those airfields, those Northfield airfields. | ||
| She approved the setting up of a Chinese-linked casino on that dual-use port, and her questions at that hearing were all about how to increase Chinese tourism. | ||
| Chinese can arrive in the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas now without a visa. | ||
| And from there, they're illegally going to Guam and elsewhere. | ||
| And her framing was, unless this continues, and unless we get direct flights from mainland China into the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, then their entire economy is going to collapse. | ||
| That's the only solution. | ||
| Chinese tourists are the only solution. | ||
| And those Chinese tourists have been illegally buying U.S. driver's licenses, illegally selling drugs, distributing drugs. | ||
| So we're starting to see the same sort of infiltration that you're seeing in the Caribbean, seeing in American territory, in the heartland, with the goal of, I think, reestablishing the sort of control that the Japanese had in the center of the Pacific, which puts them in a position to strike Hawaii. | ||
| And we had that incident where Admiral Keating at the time was testifying and said, one of the Chinese guys said, you know, you take Hawaii East and we'll take Hawaii West. | ||
| I think that's what they actually want to do. | ||
| You know, who also knew this was Seward, which was Lincoln's Secretary of State about Alaska. | ||
| The post-revolutionary generation and founders generation that really from the Mexican War to the Spanish-American War thought through strategically and geostrategically what this hemisphere could be when you broaden out the definition of it. | ||
| Because we've thought too much in tiny that California is the coast. | ||
| It may be the coast of the continental part, but it's certainly not the coast when you think of geostrategically in defense. | ||
| And this is what Trump is thinking through right now. | ||
| This is what people that came before us thought about. | ||
| One of the things I remember as a young naval officer is the sacrifice. | ||
| When you take your eye off the ball, which you read the run-up to the Second World War, the Imperial Japanese High Command, they were so focused on this from the early... | ||
| From the early 19, you know, 1910, 1915, before the First World War, about the Pacific and about what they would need to do to basically control the mainland of China. | ||
| They would have to back off. | ||
| They knew they would have to back off the United States. | ||
| How are you going to back off the United States? | ||
| You've got to take those island chains and make it prohibitively, strategically too hard for the United States to come back. | ||
| And of all the sacrifice that took place, what, 80 years ago to do this, it was done for a reason. | ||
| There was a purpose, a strategic purpose for that, Cleo. | ||
| Yeah, there was. | ||
| And the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, that's the Battle of Saipan. | ||
| I mean, one of the most just horrific battles in Tinian, obviously. | ||
| That was Japanese territory for 30 years. | ||
| And there were 100,000 Americans died in the Pacific Theater. | ||
| After having made the mistake of ceding that heartland, that strategic heartland to Japan, it has been and continues to be a location where if somebody else controls it and has that sort of malign intent, the U.S. is not safe. | ||
| And that includes trade. | ||
| I mean, the early Americans knew there was a great expedition. | ||
| You know, America mounted an expedition through the Pacific from 1938 to the, I think, 1942. | ||
| Sorry, 1838. | ||
| And the understanding was the trade was going to be dependent on that as well. | ||
| So it has been a part of America's strategic profile for almost two centuries. | ||
| But we've been sort of brainwashed by this European analysis to not pay attention to it. | ||
| This is one of my biggest problems with the Atlanticists. | ||
| They kind of narrow it into Northwest Europe. | ||
| It's so much broader than that. | ||
| Before I go, Trump sees this right away. | ||
| That's where the Panama Canal has been the first thing he talked about in the second term. | ||
| How tough is it going to be for us to roll out the Chinese Communist Party and the People's Liberation Navy since they've kind of welded themselves into the Caribbean, ma'am? | ||
| Well, the Caribbean and the Pacific have the same issue, but I would start with sending the FBI into the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands and into Guam and starting to do investigations into who is taking money from those Chinese casinos and going after that. | ||
| I mentioned that braided thing, right? | ||
| You've got the commercial, the strategic, and the corruption. | ||
| If you go after the corruption, if you... | ||
| Start really making it hurt if people take the Chinese money. | ||
| Then you can start to balance out the unrestricted warfare battlefield. | ||
| So that's a very easy first step. | ||
| It's something that the U.S. should be doing anyway. | ||
| And just for that hemispheric defense, it's Panama. | ||
| You can say Greenland to Panama to Guam to Alaska. | ||
| That's your diamond. | ||
| But just Panama to Greenland isn't going to do it. | ||
| You need the Guam and you need the Alaska. | ||
| Yeah, the other side. | ||
| Clear, we're going to spend a lot more time on this. | ||
| We've got a couple of surprises we're going to talk to people in a couple of weeks about. | ||
| Where do people go in the interim, ma'am, to get all your testimony in front of Congress and also all your writings? | ||
| I'm on X, just my name, Cleo Pascal, at Cleo Pascal, and you can see me getting trolled by a lot of people who think that Chinese tourism is the solution for the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, so enjoy the fun. | ||
| Cleo, you're the best. | ||
| A hammer! | ||
| Thank you, ma'am. | ||
| This show is so great because I get to sit here and get so many fascinating people that are so dedicated to this country and to freedom and to liberty. | ||
| There's a big old firefight happening on Capitol Hill right now, folks, and tomorrow we're going to get into it. | ||
| But I want to play, I think we've got Jake Sherman over at MSNBC, Jake Sherman from Punchbowl. | ||
| Let's get an update. | ||
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Republican leaders are moving ahead today to try to avoid a government shutdown on Friday, taking their funding bill to the Rules Committee to set up a floor vote tomorrow. | |
| As Punchbowl puts it, Congress is walking up to the line of another political crisis once again. | ||
| The stopgap spending bill would keep agencies funded through the end of September, setting up a confrontation with Democrats who say the plan amounts to nothing more than a blank check for Elon Musk, the focus of Democrats' anti-administrationire. | ||
| President Trump trying to keep his party in line, writing on Truth Social, all Republicans should vote yes and no dissent. | ||
| Joining us now, Jake Sherman, co-founder of Fudge Bowl News and an MSNBC political contributor. | ||
| Former Congressman Charlie Dent is back with us. | ||
| So, Jake, bottom line, can Republicans get this done by going it alone? | ||
| They sure think so, but I've heard that many times before. | ||
| So here's the basic, and Mr. Dent will know this as well, but when there's a continuing resolution, one of these stopgap funding bills, this one is until September, the end of September, it basically includes, it carries over a bunch of the former spending priorities of the former administration or the last fiscal year. | ||
| That is the former administration. | ||
| What Democrats say is that by not writing new spending bills, they're ceding authority to the administration to spend money how they want. | ||
| So there's two kind of situations here. | ||
| If Republicans could pass this thing alone in the House, then they could do whatever they want. | ||
| They could put whatever they want in the bill and hope that the Senate Democrats, Republicans and Democrats in the Senate pick it up. | ||
| If they can't, and they need Democratic votes, then they need to do something. | ||
| The Democrats want. | ||
| They need to give something to Democrats. | ||
| Listen, I've had a lot of conversations with both leaderships, the Democratic and the Republican leadership, this morning. | ||
| I do think that the Republicans believe they can get it through with just their own lawmakers. | ||
| There's only one hard no right now, Tom Massey, who said he would have to have a lobotomy today in order to vote for this bill. | ||
| And I don't, as I noted, I don't think... | ||
| Lobotomies are still commonly practiced, so it sounds like Mr. Massey will be a no. | ||
| Another quote from Tom Massey. | ||
| If it passes this week, the CR obligates Trump from now until September to spend the same amounts of money on generally the same things Biden spent money on in his last 15 months in office. | ||
| Is that the kind of fact that could blow things up for the Speaker? | ||
| That's a true statement from Tom Massey, and yes, he is a hard no. | ||
| By the way, having served on the Appropriations Committee, we used to have a word for a year-long continuing resolution. | ||
| Failure. | ||
| That means Congress is not doing its job. | ||
| I mean, a year-long continuing resolution, in many respects, does kneecap the administration. | ||
| We're going to play more of this tomorrow. | ||
| Here's the bottom line. | ||
| Birchitz may be a soft no. | ||
| There's a lot of soft no's that I think will be flipped as the president talks to him. | ||
| I don't think right now, folks, as tough as the House looks like, I think the bigger problem could be in the Senate. | ||
| You just had Warner just come out. | ||
| Mark Warner just came out and said he's going to be a no. | ||
| And you've got a bunch of moderate, what they consider moderate Democrats on the Senate already saying their no. | ||
| I think we've got to get... | ||
| Seven, maybe eight, because Rand Paul's a no. | ||
| This is going to be a fiasco. | ||
| We're going to have more of this. | ||
| We'll start the show tomorrow to go through all this, because I think they're trying to hang up President Trump. | ||
| The CR is not the best, but it may be the best of a bad lot, I do think, and I strongly say that we have to have accountability of how we got in this jam. | ||
| And the speaker is just not making it happen. | ||
| It's now relied on President Trump. | ||
| President Trump himself is whipping votes with everything he's got going on. | ||
| A new announcement. | ||
| He's going to address some CEOs tomorrow about economics. | ||
| Scott Besson is going to be with the Business Roundtable on Wednesday. | ||
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