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Feb. 25, 2025 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 4293: Macron Pushes Security In Ukraine; Federal Employees Plot Against Trump Admin

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natalie winters

12:06

steve bannon

28:36

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01:08

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00:08

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00:17

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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Real America's Voice now at the 4 o'clock hour.
		What a power lineup.
		War Room in the morning, Charlie Kirk.
		After that, you've got Jack Posobiec, you've got Steve Gruber, Eric Bolling, the War Room, John Solomon, Grant Stinchfield, all of it.
		That is a power, that's what, nine hours of intensity.
		I don't know how people are going to handle that.
		So, absolutely incredible.
		Here's what we're going to do.
		We're going to play our cold open now.
		Intense day at the White House.
		President Trump, you know, Eric just talked about the handshake.
		It started with the power handshake, but man, it was an intense day all around.
		We're going to play the cold open.
		I'm going to come down and break it.
		I'm going to come back and break it down all for you here in the war of the late afternoon and early evening show.
		Let's hit it, guys.
unidentified		I will never give any advice to President Trump.
		We have...
		Friendly and trustful discussions.
		But my experience with President Putin is the following.
		Number one, I always think it's good to have discussions with other leaders, and especially when you disagree.
		I stopped my discussion with President Putin after Bucha and the war crimes, because I considered that...
		I mean, we had nothing to get from him at that time.
		Now there is a big change, because there is a new U.S. administration.
		So this is a new context.
		So there is a good reason for President Trump to re-engage with President Putin.
		But my experience is the following, and I shared it with President Trump and the team.
		In 2014, our predecessors negotiated peace with President Putin.
		But because of the lack of guarantees, and especially security guarantees, President Putin violated this peace.
		And I had several discussions, especially beginning of 2022. Several times, seven hours with President Putin, 15 days before the launching of the attack.
		He denied everything, but we didn't have security guarantees.
		So this is why being strong and having deterrence capacities is the only way to be sure it will be respected.
		And I insisted on that, and this is why I believe That the US has the capacity to do so.
		And this is why I think we should never say, I will never send it in boots on the ground because you give a blank check to violate any type of commitment.
		So I think it's good to have discussion.
		I think it's useful to have negotiation.
		I think it's super important to go to the peace.
		But my strong point was to say, let's try to get something first, which is...
		Which can be assessed, checked and verified.
		And let's be sure that we build sufficient guarantees on the short run.
		And this is where we are ready to be engaged.
		As for France, a lot of my European colleagues are ready to be engaged.
		But we do need this American backup because this is part of the credibility of the security guarantees.
		And this is our collective deterrence capacity.
		And I have the feeling that the President has this capacity.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		I think it's very much to the benefit of Russia to make a deal.
		And I feel that we'll do that.
		It is what it is.
		Again, it's a war that should have never been started.
		It's a war that would not have been started if I were president.
		But it did start, and it's at a terrible level where cities are burned down and shot down to the ground.
		It looks like demolition sites, a whole big pile of demolition sites.
		And we've got to get it stopped.
		Too many people.
		Too much agony.
		The whole culture is destroyed.
		When you rip down some of those ancient, really ancient or near-ancient buildings, it's so sad to see.
		But I think it's very much to the benefit of this tremendous distrust on both sides.
		That's why it's good that I'm coming in now.
		But I think it's to the very much benefit of Russia to make a deal and to go on with leading Russia in a very positive way.
		That's what you have to do.
		But I really believe that he wants to make a deal.
		Maybe wrong, but I believe he wants to make a deal.
joe scarborough ▲ ● ▼		I will say it appears that German voters responded to those messages about as effectively as American voters would respond to German politicians going to Peoria and telling them how to vote in their American elections.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's a pretty good way of putting it.
		In fact, arguably...
		If you see the turnout, which was a high, a recent high in Germany, 85% of German voters voted yesterday.
		Compare that to the recent high in US presidential elections of 66% in 2020. Then arguably Elon Musk really stimulated everyone else, the anti-AfD vote, to come out and vote and limit it to that one in five years.
		It's still, by German post-war standards, a pretty sobering result to see not just the far right get one in five, but the far left surging as well.
		So put together, extreme parties are now about 30% of the German vote, and they used to be nowhere.
		But relative to where other democracies are going, including the United States, nearly half This is a moderate center is holding election.
		And I think that the change in chancellors from Olaf Scholz to Friedrich Marx is extremely good news in terms of what Cathy was just saying.
		If we want Europe to move fast, because he's very clear.
		He said we've got no time for the usual German.
		Weeks and months of coalition negotiations, the world will not wait on us.
		We've got to move quickly, and we've got to build up our defenses against Russia.
		That's essentially his message.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified		Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I got a free shot, all these networks lying.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		About the people.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		The people have had a belly full of it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I know you don't like hearing that.
		I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
		It's going to happen.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		And where do people like that go to share the big line?
unidentified		Mega Media.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified		War Room.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
		President Trump, let's set this in.
		What has occurred since he's arrived for his second term?
		And I think President Trump would be the first that would agree with this.
		In fact, I think this is atop of his mind a lot of times.
		That God works in mysterious ways and is actually more powerful for him to have had the space between the first term and the second term.
		That the irony of all this is that the big steal, That occurred in 20 allowed us to see the demonic nature of what our opposition is, also see where they were taking the world, and also, I think, allowed the world to see what was going to be at hand with these globalists.
		And so that President Trump's second term, third win second term, is actually more powerful.
		Now, what's happened since he's come...
		To power on the 20th in the last month.
		But I think most personified in what's happened over the last 72 hours is, and I don't want to call it the Trump doctrine because that's an easy way that the media always tries to look at these things.
		He is very much trying to think through strategically and geoeconomically with both the hemispheric defense of the Panama Canal To Greenland, the Arctic, Canada, the geoeconomic unit that is North America, the geostrategic unit.
		Looking at the three island chains in the great desert of the Pacific that is a natural barrier to essentially hermetically seal the United States, you add an iron dome or an anti-ballistic missile type system.
		You've hermetically sealed the homeland.
		And to think through then the economics of a new structure that's different than the post-war international rules-based order that just drained America, drained her and drained her people.
		So if you see on Friday the executive order about China and the investment in China, that is the beginning of decoupling, particularly on the technology side.
		You couple that with the Apple investment today, and the Apple investment, clearly Apple and Tim knew about this for a while, right?
		They knew that this was going to be a, that this was going to be, Trump was going to penalize companies putting into investments into China.
		So he announced today a $500 billion, half a trillion dollar investment program into capital equipment and manufacturing here in the United States.
		As Mike Allen said this morning on Morning Joe, that is huge leverage for President Trump.
		It also sent a signal to all these other U.S. companies that, hey, if Apple can do it, we can do it.
		And President Trump, this is part of his tariff.
		I don't even want to call him tariffs.
		It's his new economic structure where to get into this market, you're going to pay a high premium unless you actually move your manufacturing here.
		In addition, although, and I say this all the time, I'm not as excited as President Trump is, but I think it shows you that the Saudis, the Japanese, when they come and talk about a trade, and the Saudis talking about $400 or $500 billion, all these people throwing up tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars.
		Of investment here in the United States, from the UAE to Masasan, all of them.
		SoftBank.
		That money is not going to China.
		It's not going to an investment in mainland China underneath the Chinese Communist Party.
		That's what President Trump's trying to show.
		In addition, this Ukraine, and that's what we wanted to play the beginning of that, and I thank the production team for focusing.
		Of the entire day, I think that was the most important.
		Important part because the Europeans are still trying to entangle America, the United States, into their defense.
		And when I say their defense, not as an ally, but still as a protectorate.
		And Macron talks the biggest talk, although nobody in Europe, no government in Europe, no people in Europe would ever vote for this.
		What he's talking about and the way they've allowed their defenses to deteriorate.
		And the other day I had a European say, well, you don't understand it.
		The American military is so inextricably woven and is the foundational element to all the European defenses.
		All the air defense, all the radars, all the infantry, all the logistics is really built around the spine or the foundation of the American military that's in Europe.
		The large military infantry presence we have in Germany, and of course other armor, artillery, air assets throughout Italy, everywhere, that we still are the underpinnings and the foundational element of their defense.
		This is why this buzzword you're going to hear, security guarantee, security guarantee.
		Now, The Ukraine situation makes sense if it is under the overall structure of some sort of relationship with the Russians.
		And you can tell where President Trump's going in that, I think.
		He's very, very, very focused, I believe, in making sure he essentially tries to isolate the Chinese Communist Party, both decouple economically, enforce Wall Street and Silicon Valley to do that, and the corporatists.
		That's not going to be easy.
		At the same time, to have some sort of rapprochement with Russia, where they are more in our camp, are more aligned with us than they are with the Chinese Communist Party, which is what the last, you know, the Atlanticist and the elitist, what President Trump wanted to do his first term because of Russia, Russia, Russia, all this nonsense, all those lies from shifting all of them, forced the Russians into the arms.
		Of the Chinese Communist Party.
		They came up with, right around the time of three years ago, of the invasion of Ukraine, that special strategic relationship.
		Remember, the strategic relationship that can be topped by no other.
		President Trump is trying to negotiate A new kind of Pax Americana without American troops everywhere.
		In America underwriting security guarantees everywhere, which is what we do today.
		Whether it's in Western Europe, around the Gulf of the Emirates in Israel, the Middle East, around the Straits of Malacca and the South China Sea, or up off of Korea and Japan.
		President Trump thinking it through.
		It's one of the reasons this election in Germany is so massive.
		Short break.
		Back in a moment.
		As you know, I'm not particularly excited about the Ukraine part, but in context of an overall new rethinking of this and people putting their guns down, With Russia, I've always felt that some sort of alignment with Russia is absolutely central to the takedown of the Chinese Communist Party.
		If we have allowed what we've allowed for the last five years since Biden got in, Biden drove the Chinese Communist Party, Beijing, the Mullahs in Tehran in Persia, Russia, the KGB, and Erdogan.
		They made that movie about me called The Brink, I think in 2018 or 2019, 2018, where they went around the world when I was in Western Europe trying to begin this populist movement that you're seeing coming to fruition today, including meeting with the Alternative for Deutschland people at the time.
		And, you know, Alternative for Deutschland at the time I think was at 3% or 4%.
		When I met with Georgia Maloney, she was at 3%.
		She headed up a small party called the Sons of Italy.
		The only person that had gotten real traction was Nigel Farage, who we had worked with shoulder-to-shoulder on Brexit back in 2015 and 2016. In fact, Rahim Ghassan, our beloved Rahim Ghassan, had actually left Breitbart London for a while and went and ran the campaigns for Nigel.
		My point is that these have been a long time in coming to fruition.
	There is a possibility...
	That you could set the world on a path from the beginning stages of the kinetic part of the Third World War.
	You could set it on a path to actually peace and prosperity.
	That's what President Trump's trying to do.
	That's why it takes a leader of his caliber and strength.
	And we don't agree on everything, but I absolutely understand and one million percent agree with what he's trying to do directionally.
	And it's a little bit breathtaking because you're hitting on so many different strategic notes.
	To wit, they've just announced that on March 4th, the 25% tariffs in Mexico kick in.
	And I've been giving interviews in Canada nonstop on Canadian TV, and I keep telling people he's not trolling you.
	He talks about the 51st state, and I said you should take it as an honor.
	People in the United States don't sit there and go, hey, we'd love to have these folks here as a state.
	That hasn't happened since Alaska in Hawaii, what, 70 years ago, 60 years ago.
	And it's going to get their attention geoeconomically when they see the premium they have to pay to get into this market and put on top of that the geostrategic necessity of what's going to happen in the Arctic.
	That now is a great power struggle in what we call the new great game or the great game of the 21st century that kind of replicates.
	What happened between the Russian Empire and the British Empire in Afghanistan and Persia in the 19th century around India?
	So President Trump is thinking in five different directions and negotiating the entire time.
	However, you've always got to be careful.
	And I know we've got Senator Rubio, I think, doing a great job.
	Besson's doing a great job.
	You've got Mike Waltz over there.
	You've got Steve Witkoff that kind of headed the negotiation.
	Vice President Vance.
	He's got a pretty good team on top of this.
	In fact, a damn good team.
	I think the cabinet, and I could argue this, I think the cabinet he has is the best cabinet a president's had of people that are action-oriented and can get things done since Lincoln's war cabinet.
	But you see Macron, this is a shifty guy.
	You've got to watch him.
	You've got to watch these guys.
	This is why I'm so upset about this Bardella guy at Front National.
	I think Front National is teed up.
	To take over the French government under Le Pen, but Bardella is just a weak sister.
	The guy wet himself about my wave to the audience the other day.
	I had to put up, I had to send these guys today how I did the exact same wave in front of Front National when they invited me over there in 2018, seven years ago, to give them a pep talk.
	Almost the exact same pep talk, a different kind of version of it, of how they were not alone and how they were fighting the good fight, and they were only at, I don't know, 14 or 15% at the time.
	You notice there's a trend here.
	I will get in back of people when you're at 3%.
	I don't care because I see the possibility that George Maloney can lead the government or a guy like Salvini can win or a person like Trump can win.
	I haven't talked about the CPAC straw poll.
	President Trump's history in the CPAC because McLaughlin made a misstatement the other day when he did this.
	President Trump has been on the CPAC poll two times before he was president, twice.
	The first time was in 2015, and I was there kind of both times.
	In 2015, when President Trump, the first time he was on a CPAC straw poll, finished eighth at 3.5%.
	In fact, he was going to fire Sam Nunberg, the guy who was working with him at the time, for not doing as good a job.
	Although the 3.5% was pretty strong, given President Trump as a CPAC was much different than this today.
	It was kind of conservative, Inc.
	In 2016, and by the way, that's 100 days before President Trump came down the escalator to announce his presidency.
	Finished a 3.5%.
	In 16, essentially 100 days or 120 days, let's say, at the outside, before he won the Republican nomination.
	And I remember this because this is during the time when...
	I was running Breitbart, and we had quite a disturbance at Breitbart.
	In fact, this is when Ben Shapiro, and I admire Ben on a lot of things, one of the smartest guys around, we differ a lot on populism versus conservatism.
	He referred to, in the instant that he either quit or fired him, we still haven't decided which.
	I have one version, he has another.
	But he referred to Breitbart, I turned it into Trump Pravda.
	And that, I think it was late February, early March.
	In 2016, President Trump finished a distant third to Ted Cruz at 40%.
	I think Marco, Senator Marco Rubio was at 15 or 20%.
	Excuse me, 25%, I think.
	20, 25% was second.
	President Trump was at 15%.
	Just 100 days before he won the primary.
	He sees the world differently.
	He sees the world as a...
	And realigning can lead to peace and prosperity.
	There were no wars on his watch.
	Nobody wanted a crossing.
	The one time we did the launch of the cruise missile into Syria, he remembers.
	I was the one that was with him that didn't want to do it, and eventually he was kind of talked into it, I believe, by the National Security Council, by Mattis and these guys, to do the same thing Clinton did, shoot a couple of cruise missiles in.
	And then the next day they're doing the same thing.
	This is what they like to do.
	Kind of tick for tat.
	Makes them feel like big shots.
	They also couldn't.
	They sat right there and lied to your face about the chemical attacks from Syria.
	I'm not saying the Syrians, the dictators over there are good guys.
	They're not.
	They're bad hombres.
	But you know what?
	The world's full of bad hombres.
	That's what the founders knew.
	They said, hey, if you want to go around slaying dragons, they've got a whole world full of them.
	So maybe the watchword in our early days of the Republic, do not go overseas looking for dragons to slay, for monsters to slay, because there's monsters everywhere in the world.
	What President Trump is trying to do is stop the kinetic part of the Third World War, which has already been bloodier than the first couple of years of the Second World War.
	What's happened in Ukraine has been far bloodier than Poland, or the fall of France, or the Blitz.
	And he's doing a heck of a job.
	But the Europeans, and this is why Macron ran over there today.
	And Macron was at the White House all day today, basically.
	From 8 o'clock in the morning, I think he left for a couple hours.
	And that call went forever.
	That was a G7 call.
	And you see there in the remarks, and that's why I was so fascinated.
	I'm so glad now that Real America's Voice, we have a couple of White House correspondents.
	And we have the camera there.
	You know, we have our setup over there.
	And we can do real-time.
	Pulling of the footage and then having the Natalie Winters and the Brian Glens and the Amanda Heads and others that can give commentary.
	Because history is being made every day.
	If President Trump is able to pull off some sort of...
	Let's call it an arrangement right now.
	Let's just leave it like that.
	Understanding.
	How about that?
	An understanding with the Russians.
	And really unite us for the first time since World War II with our allies.
	Not the KGB. Not the leaders, but the people of Russia who bled on battlefields for us.
	Unlike most of the elites that we're dealing with, they're our quote-unquote allies.
	They're not our allies.
	They've never really put up shoulder-to-shoulder with us.
	You know who an ally is?
	An ally is Canada.
	Canada's always punched above their weight, always answered the call.
	And they've always taken the tough assignments and they've given better than they got.
	That's an ally.
	But President Trump is trying to do something here that is historic.
	And if he can pull it off, and it will take a couple of years minimum to pull off, he could set the 21st century down a path of peace.
	Because right now, folks, you look at the 21st century compared to the 20th, and remember, you're coming out of The bloodiest century in mankind's history.
	This is worse than the Dark Ages.
	Look at the deaths.
	I think it's...
	We figured out the short century of the 20th century, I recall, from August of 1914, the guns of August in World War I, to the fall of Tiananmen Square and the Berlin Wall.
	That's, to me, the 20th century.
	Right there.
	From 1914 to 1989, 1990. 200, I think 250 million people killed, starved, massacred in concentration camps, starved to death by the Chinese Communist Party, slaughtered on battlefields from the Ukraine.
	Starvation, 5 million died in, what is it, Holdemore?
	In Ukraine, 5 million starved brutally by the Bolsheviks.
	Obviously, the Holocaust.
	Southeast Asia after Vietnam, all of it.
	A bloody, catastrophic, Dark century.
	The 21st century is teed up to be even worse.
	And that's what President Trump is doing.
	It's so historic.
	And that's why you've got these Macron and these guys.
	You can't trust any of them.
	They're in there today and you see them weaving away and, oh, you're going to have a security guarantee and all this, giving all this happy talk.
	What they want is American money and American troops.
	That's what President Trump's fighting.
	Short commercial break.
	We're going to go to Natalie Winters.
	We return in the war room.
unidentified		Welcome back.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Philip Patrick, you know, we talk all the time, particularly what's happening.
		I think gold hit another all-time high today, but also the pressure on gold and the purchasing of gold.
		From central banks is also rapidly increasing.
		So Philip Patrick told me, there's a finance professor down, I think at the University of Arkansas, that's now made End of the Dollar Empire mandatory reading for his finance class.
		So we're very proud of that.
		The fact that we try to make a relatively arcane and oftentimes boring topic kind of come alive with the drama that it deserves.
		Because it's something that you need to understand, and that is kind of global capital markets, currency, debt, deficits, all of it, to understand, quite frankly, your place in the world, at least the economic and financial world.
		So you can start making decisions for yourself and also put your shoulder to the wheel to help the MAGA movement in your country.
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		Now, I don't want to say that that idea came out of France, but it came out of France.
		A professor there and other intellectuals kind of thought it up.
		But the Wall Street, the lords of easy money in the Bank of England, the lords of easy money at the Fed, and particularly Wall Street, and the political class in all these countries bit hard.
		That's what you have to understand.
		It's one of the things we have to pull ourselves out of because it's going to be quite ugly.
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		Natalie Winters joins us.
		Natalie, while we have these big historic movements, there's also the reality against President Trump.
		And you saw the Harvard poll today that shows the wind to his back.
		In things like Doge, at least for now, in things like trying to cut federal spending, in things like deportations.
		But the resistance, and they're not having a great run in federal court, although they're trying and they're going to appeal everything.
		They really haven't won much.
		So the color revolution crowd may be their last line of defense.
		You've got some great updates on all of that.
		Natalie Winters, our White House correspondent.
		Ma'am.
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I want to unironically quote the New York Times, which we very rarely do here in the war room, but in a piece sort of updating on all the resistance tactics, the New York Times says, quote, So far, President Trump and his administration have largely steamrolled the opposition.
		But, of course, we want to bring you the signal, not noise.
		And in reading this piece, I think it sort of outlines the chart, the path forward for how they will actively be trying to really undermine President Trump.
		I think the deportation vertical, like you were talking about, Steve, is one of the key ways.
		We've seen them actively sabotage what President Trump is planning to do with the mass deportations.
		Why do I say that?
		There, of course, has been the ongoing investigation and probe into how people who work at the FBI were actively leaking information prematurely about those ICE raids that were going on in Los Angeles.
		But to sort of drill down...
		In this story, it talks about how a lot of these 20,000 or so federal workers, despite being forced out of their offices, I'm sure you've all seen the glorious pictures of them holding the boxes and crying, they're now all sort of coordinating and collaborating using what they're calling encrypted messaging applications, setting up sort of alternative social media accounts to be able to plan what they say is, quote, future actions.
		Now, they leave it vague.
		It's not necessarily indicated what they're talking about.
		But later in the piece, they...
		Mark Zaid, they quote him, who is, of course, the infamous whistleblower attorney, the first impeachment kind of legal extraordinaire.
		And I want to read a quote from him because in terms of understanding where they go from here, they are so pressed up against a wall.
		The only option that they have is essentially to leak documents to try to get back at President Trump like they were doing, for example, right, with the ICE raids in Los Angeles.
		Mark Zaid saying, quote, It's a deterrent to lawful whistleblowing.
		The pathetic irony is that it's encouraging people to break the law and leak classified information because the system is no longer in place.
		I don't know about you.
		These people talk and smoke signals and coded word.
		I've never heard something more obvious that they are calling for these people now, since they can't read, they don't have access to whistleblow, that they want them to be leaking documents and all the documents that these people took with them when they quit their jobs.
		That's how they'll be attempting to wage war against President Trump.
		Last point real quick.
		You are correct, Steve.
		They're obviously suing President Trump as much as they can on every single executive order.
		And it sort of seems to be a pattern where President Trump has the victory for a little bit.
		Then usually Obama or Clinton judge steps in, slaps it down for a little bit.
		It works its way through and it ultimately gets resolved.
		But on some of these issues, like right now, the NIH funding, the DEI stuff, and some of the deportation stuff, particularly today it's breaking about being able to conduct raids in churches, they are having some temporary victories on that front.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, tell people, you've got a great term that you've used.
		What do you mean when you say that a lot of these folks are in bets?
		Because you have two and a half million, and the Doge guys are doing a good job, but so far...
		That's essentially been onesies, twosies.
		I think, you know, overall, maybe, I don't know, count up, with the people that took early retirement, I think they said 25,000 to 40,000.
		There's probably another 20,000 that at least, if you just add them up, have been let go.
		It may be higher than that, but let's say it's under 100,000 of the 2.5 to 3 million federal employees.
		What do you mean by embeds, and how dangerous is that for President Trump and his team?
		Of 3,000 or 4,000 total that are trying to change the direction of this American empire.
		Ma'am.
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, we get very analytical.
		We focus on linguistics here in the war room.
		And the term embed, just like unelected bureaucrat, is very key to this debate.
		Because if you follow the mainstream media's coverage of this concept, the mass firings, what is the word that they are wash, rinsing, and repeating?
		It's civil service, civil service, civil service, right?
		They hate the term unelected bureaucrat.
		I sort of put it through the paradigm of undocumented immigrant and illegal alien, right?
		Right.
		That's now the new linguistic battle and the framing of it.
		These people as unelected bureaucrats or embeds, I think, speaks to the idea of someone like Mark Zaid, who is essentially a pipeline where they view all these federal employees, not as people who are serving the American people.
		We saw that on display, full display right during the first impeachment of President Trump.
		These are people who have their own conceptions, their own ideas, their own sort of Washington consensus of what policies should be.
		And any time that something deviates from that, they sort of have these off ramps, these like premeditated ways that they can.
		They can go about and skirt the system to circumvent whether it's President Trump or whatever populist sort of system-wrecking candidate may be in place.
		And I also think, too, Steve, it's important to underscore that the deep state, the permanent political class, the inner face state, however you want to couch it.
		The federal employees are just sort of one leg of that stool, right?
		It's people who are on the outside who are equally important.
		So what Doge is doing is wonderful in getting rid of these people.
		But these are sort of the front men, right?
		The actual players are the Normizers of the world, the Mark Zades of the world.
		And I think that's why USAID touched such a nerve.
		But in sum, I think what you're talking about, and frankly, to link it back to what you saw go on today with, you know, Macron, the meeting that they had.
		You're seeing a reformulation, much like they're talking about abolishing the DOE, abolishing all these agencies.
		You're abolishing the civil service, deep state idea of what it means for Americans to be an American abroad.
		We are abolishing the globalist conception of what America is.
		Because we've realized we can't reform it, just like we can't reform the DOE, the FBI. They've been weaponized.
		They are designed to destroy this country.
		And that is why everything that you're seeing go on today is so historic, right?
		You're reformulating what it means to be America on the world stage, and the USAID stuff was the first flashpoint in that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Very powerful.
		CNN had a story today, the lead story this morning, that really took my breath away.
		They were talking about either the Doge and or the John Ratcliffe, Tulsi Gabbard rethinking of the intel.
		And really, as you know, we really want to go after the deep state.
		That it could leave so many people that had classified information out there to be a national security threat to the United States.
		And I thought, wow, is this, are they actually saying that out loud?
		I mean, it's pretty stunning that the holding us hostage to actually taking apart the administrative state or the deep state because they're saying, hey, these people have so much information, so much knowledge how the government works and in the CIA case, so much highly classified information that so much knowledge how the government works and in the CIA case, so much highly classified information that Your thoughts, ma'am?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's quite obviously sort of this idea of predictive programming, right, in the same way that they use the whole bird flu fear-mongering narrative to try to nuke the RFK confirmation.
		Now they sort of want this idea out there that if any intel documents or any classified documents are supposed to leak, that that's President Trump's fault.
		And frankly, Steve, I think that this all fits in quite nicely with the paradigm of what we have always hammered, which is the idea that sort of the three key instruments that the norm eyes and color revolution people have used.
		To sort of undermine President Trump has always been the idea of getting at his legitimacy and undermining his authority.
		And I think that the attacks, right, the idea that you would have the intel community leaking either against him or just in general, you know, threatening America's national security.
		I'm sure you can already see that chyron up on the screen.
		That's something that because they can't impeach him and they don't have traditional levers of power, I mean, it's a full-blown military-grade psyop, right?
		It's the idea that when President Trump is in control, they like to say America is less safe.
		I'm sorry.
		President Trump has been in office.
		We're coming on a little after 30 days.
		All the people who, what, for four years told us that we needed Joe Biden were the same people who mocked President Trump and said he was going to embarrass us on the world stage.
		The United Nations, for the first time after 119 Security Council meetings, where all they did was continue to fan the flames of the Russia-Ukraine war, for the first time ever, has put out a joint statement between Russia and Ukraine calling for, imagine this, peace instead of continued death.
		That's a huge win for President Trump.
		Sure, the UN is irrelevant, but it shows you how he is actively changing the perception, not just of America, but global affairs on the world stage, so that all they can throw at him are these CNN, I was about to say CIA. I guess that's a Freudian slip.
		PSYOPs, because that's all they have, the media, and they have to undermine his credibility and continue on that dictator trope somehow.
		So they're going to do it by trying to act like President Trump is a threat to your national security from the very same people who, what, let an invasion of this country to the tune of 15 million people happen in the last four years.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		One of the powers of your reporting has been you focus on personalities in back of these and expose what their motives are, like the Noam Isens and Mark Elias of the world.
		We've got a minute here.
		I'm going to hold you through the break.
		Tell me about Mark Zaid.
		He's also a piece of work, is he not, ma'am?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is how you know we hit a nerve here in the war room.
		I quote tweeted that article we were just talking about and Mark Zade decided to attack me saying that I lacked basic reading comprehension skills.
		I, of course, shot back.
		I said, well, my reading comprehension is so good.
		I remember reading all the YouTube videos like the young Disney girls whose videos you used to like about them becoming, and I quote, women.
		So I remembered that well enough.
		But it shows you that we've hit a nerve.
		And frankly, Steve, these people are not used to being called out because it's a very left-wing media tactic to link names to these agendas, right?
		And I'm happy to culturally appropriate that.
		But you need to know people like Mark Zaid, people like Norm Eisen, the deep state.
		These people have names and phone numbers and addresses, the people who are trying to destroy this country.
		It's very clear who they are.
		We don't have to treat them like they're this nebulous entity.
		When they're not used to getting called out and you can see the second that they get one marginal quote tweet, they melt down.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And Natalie, hang on, because we're going to talk about judges and people around judges when we return, because the courts have been a way that they're trying to slow down the president.
		So far, as we've said, the president's had a pretty strong hand.
		These EOs are pretty tight.
		His executive actions are pretty tight.
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		Natalie, the judges.
		You've done a little research on some of these judges.
		They're not exactly disinterested, are they, ma'am?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, spare me the performative activism about being in a constitutional crisis.
		These people have absolutely no regard for, I think, anything rooted to the founding of this country.
		Just the latest example of this being the judge up in Maryland who swatted down President Trump's efforts to conduct ICE raids at churches or places of worship.
		And it's so interesting, not only is this radical Obama appointee judge, you know the whole trope, but I looked into his wife, who, believe it or not, was actually a member.
		She's a member of the Biden regime working at some anti-racist outfit, making sure that employment law didn't discriminate.
		But even more interesting, she actually has a track record of attacking President Trump on his immigration policy in the press because she used to work for a very far-left, open borders immigration group called the National Immigration Forum, whose top donor is, you guessed it, George Soros' Open Society Foundation.
		She was a vice president there.
		This is a group that advocates outright.
		But you know how radical they truly are.
		For mass amnesty of upwards of 11 million people.
		Like I said, they oppose...
		All border security.
		She's a repeat Democrat donor, a far-left activist.
		And this is who the media, when you read the story, they depict it as, oh, this judge is swatting down the forever unconstitutional actions of President Trump.
		This group is engaged in active lobbying efforts against President Trump and the policies that the wife of the former VP of this group is now adjudicating on.
		So this is all obviously lawfare.
		They had four years to sharpen their knives.
		They've been court shopped.
		That's sort of the MO of all these resistance-type lawfare groups they know to send their cases to.
		But I think Congress needs to get together.
		I know they're all putting out strongly worded tweets about how they want to impeach these rogue and radical judges with very clear conflicts of interest.
		But how about instead of tweeting about it and putting out the letters and holding hearings, you actually do it?
		I haven't really seen any action, which I guess we should come to expect from this Congress.
		But someone needs to do something and actually impeach these judges who are having very, very clear conflicts of interest.
		They're radical activists.
		I shouldn't even use the term judge.
		They're activists masquerading as judges.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Folks, also, the budget resolution, just the reconciliation, Johnson's taking incoming from all sides.
		Principally, it's about there's not enough really well-thought-through cuts.
		To make this serious.
		On the other hand, people are saying, hey, what you're cutting is like, for instance, Medicaid, you've got to be careful about this because you're going to affect tons of working class people.
		So it's a balancing act.
		But that whole returning to the court of Congress is really about to come for the first time, Natalie.
		We're going to have a firestorm.
		Rachel Maddow kicks off her week this week with Hakeem Jeffries.
		So the whole resistance you've seen in the courts, you've seen this performative outside, but you've seen the color revolution folks planning and plotting.
		Now we're also going to return, particularly to the House, where it's going to heat up to like, you know, one million degrees this week.
		Is it not, ma'am?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like it's time for the Warren Posse to get their marching orders ready.
		I think they're going to be making a lot of phone calls.
		But no, I mean, you're absolutely right.
		I think we were sort of ahead of the curve in this.
		We added, in addition to the rhino category, the dinos, right?
		The doge in name only, who all these people who wanted to have the photo ops and act like they really cared about government, you know, cuts and spending.
		All these people who lectured us on fiscal sanity and they were fiscal hawks for decades yet didn't want to do anything about USAID. Now suddenly they're all late to the game.
		I think we need to hold their feet to the fire.
		Some of the people who support the Doge caucus are the largest war hawks and biggest advocates for continuing to give money to Ukraine.
		And that's, of course, just one small issue.
		But you see it.
		They use the issue of China as sort of a neocon deflection talking point to say, look, we need to be tough on China.
		So ergo, we have to spend all of your taxpayer dollars defeating China.
		When in reality, where have we actually come on that front?
		By the way, just a fun fact.
		I was looking today.
		Ukraine, which is so...
		It's a complete BS. It's a complete lie to continue the gravy train that is the military-industrial complex.
		And they're getting called out right now.
		And make no mistake, Steve, they're not just upset about the aid packages ending.
		They're melting down because They know that when the audits start, it's not just going to trace back to Over and McLean and all the defense contracting firms.
		It's going to go to the House of Representatives and all the Mike Rogers and those types of the world who, in the name of democracy, have sold this country out.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Natalie, what is your social media, ma'am?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Natalie G. Winters on all platforms.
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for having me.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, ma'am.
		Natalie Winters, Whitehorse Correspondent.
		It's about to get very gnarly.
		We haven't had a chance, with everything going on, geo-strategically, to get into the details of what's happened over the last 48 hours.
		But the budget, the reconciliation budget, the one big beautiful bill is already taking on water.
		Part of this is their congressman just sitting there going, I just don't see what the cuts are.
		Even these cuts out of Medicaid, which I think you've got to be very careful.
		You need to cut Medicaid.
		You can cut Medicaid with both work requirements and stopping Medicaid for illegal aliens.
		But it has to be really thought through.
		And you have to come up with a real number.
		I'm not so sure they've got these huge numbers.
		Mike Lindell, brother, you've got a minute?
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Mike Lindell, we'll see you tomorrow.
		Thank you, brother.
		Mike Lindell, a hell of a weekend at CPAC and the White House.
		And a big shout-out by President Trump on the Saturday speech.

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