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Episode 4166: Johnson's Days Are Numbered; Are H1B Holders More Intelligent Than American Workers
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jonathan lemire
We'll talk about the response from President-elect Trump, who trolled in outright misinformation and lies on social media yesterday, seizing upon an erroneous Fox News report that this truck had just come over the border, thinking that it was perhaps some sort of migrant behind the wheel.
So talk to us about, frankly, how irresponsible that is and fear-mongering, but also the idea that this incident, with a new focus on national security, may actually ease the path for some of his cabinet nominations to get through.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, the first reaction from President-elect Trump was to blame this on a border crossing that turned out to be based on an erroneous report that had to do with the rental of this truck.
Ended up being corrected, but Trump's post did not end up being corrected.
And then this morning, or I guess late last night, he continued to hammer away at this idea that things are out of control at the border.
Now is the time for tough policies to be implemented and so on and so forth.
Look, I don't want to excuse Trump, and I'm not.
This is what we now expect from him, right?
This is the reaction that we have come to anticipate in these moments, and it is what it is.
He's not president yet, but we know that from past, this is how he reacts.
In terms of his nominees, I think, ultimately, for the national security slate, and by that I mean Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel at FBI, you can see the case where senators say he needs his team in quickly.
And even though we might have some reservations about their views, their management experience, their past and personal lives, we need to push these nominations through.
The one sort of caveat I would add is that when it comes to Kash Patel, It's not...
Obviously, he's a controversial nominee on his own, but he's likely to not be considered right away.
The reason for that is that the Judiciary Committee and the Senate will likely go with the Attorney General nomination first, and they can't do things simultaneously.
So what we should expect is that Pam Bondi's consideration will happen before Cash Fatal, which means that that might get pushed back to a couple weeks, potentially into February.
So that's just from a timing perspective.
But I would make the case, I would guess, that...
Republicans who may be on the fence about some of these nominees will ultimately be persuaded to be supportive in light of what happened yesterday.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
It's Thursday, the 2nd of January, the year of our Lord, 2025.
This is kind of a continuation of our morning show.
We left you with this situation on the confirmations.
Also the selection of the Speaker of the House.
Both of those are progressing.
We have strongly recommended to the team from the beginning that...
They should be pushing for the confirmations to start right after President Trump is certified on the 6th.
It should start Tuesday.
They need Kash Patel in immediately.
There's a tradition with Senator Grassley and his committee, Judiciary Committee, to wait 28 days after they get the paperwork.
Paperwork of Kash has been filed.
We can't wait for the 20 days.
Pam Bondi could be ready to go next week, and then right after that, Kash Patel, so they're both ready to be sworn in.
And immediately after President Trump, we're going to continue to push this.
Pete Hegseth also, President Trump ought to have his national security and his, I think his intelligence team, CIA, DNI, and FBI, intelligence, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, all of it ready to go.
We're here today, breaking news with Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders coming out and jumping on the tech bros about the lies and misrepresentations of really getting rid of the American people to hire the replacements, which they are at, I don't know, a third to 40% lower and to work unlivable conditions.
But we're here today...
And Natalie Winters, my co-host, has been off doing some research for the last couple of days.
Natalie, we're going to be joined by Will Upton a little bit later.
We've got a lot to go through here, and also this bizarre report the White House put out on white Christian nationalists hating on Muslims.
We'll get to all that.
I want to make a statement, Natalie, as you go up, because you've started to go through this now, the actual data.
To me, there is no...
All immigration coming to this country right now is illegal.
There's no legal immigration.
Of course, the 10 to 15 million, just on Biden's watch, he got in through here and it keeps going every day.
We're going to go in the next hour to Ben Burquam down at, I think he's still in San Diego.
We're going to go Ben down for an update on how the Biden regime is pushing people through and across, even at this late stage when they should put their pencils down.
But also on what's called legal immigration, when you actually go through here, And look at it.
It's all illegal because every part of the system is gamed and the numbers are staggering.
It's not the little numbers they put out.
This is a huge thing in the first term.
The reason it hasn't taken such prominence until recently is that we were overwhelmed with 10 to 15 million illegal alien invaders, and you've got to get them out of the country.
They're going to sink the country.
But all this other illegal immigration, that's what it is.
There is no legal immigration in this country right now.
We should stop using that term.
And the Republicans have got to stop using that as a...
It's like, oh, until we get to entitlements, we can't control spending.
This is the same thing.
Oh, well, I hate illegal immigration, but I support legal immigration.
No, you do.
What you support is basically the replacement of the American citizen, regardless of their race or ethnicity, with foreigners, regardless of their race or ethnicity.
This is no shot against the Chinese people and certainly no shot against the Indian people.
Natalie, walk us through whatever way you think is the best to walk it through, because I know your head's been blowing up for the last 72 hours, ma'am.
natalie winters
Sure, I mean, it's not just illegal, it's immoral, and it's an affront to the idea that the United States of America As a sovereign nation, I would sort of draw a parallel in the same way that we saw legalized fraud in the 2020 election, of course, at the behest of all the tech bros, the Mark Zuckerberg's funding, you know, the private ballot, get out the vote operations in exclusively Democrat areas.
Like, yes, I guess it was technically legal for the laws we have on the books, but there was no demonstrable benefit, right, to citizens of the United States or to holding a free and fair election.
But I think we have to be very serious and approach this issue with the gravity and severity that it deserves.
What do I mean by that?
This is the culture war, right?
I know conservatives love to get distracted by the bathrooms and the shiny toys, the Target pride displays and stuff like that.
But the issue of the H-1B visa and more broadly legal immigration, I think it really comes down to two of the themes that we have focused most intensely on this show, that being transhumanism and globalism, two ideologies that I think plague that sort of tech bro ruling class.
And why do I say that?
Because what they are essentially trying to do with absolute disregard for the lived reality, the lived experience, Of their fellow American citizens and workers is essentially terraform the United States into a pro-business colony where the only thing that matters is profit maximization for corporations that truly to their core detest this country.
Well, simultaneously, I would argue bioengineering a workforce that, I guess, at the end of the day, they want us all living in pods with neural links in our brains where the paragon of success and the only variable that matters is the bottom line for corporations that, like I said, to their core, Hate this country, right?
The legal immigration system, I frankly look at it as a sort of version of, you know, cap and trade with carbon emissions, but for humanity, which essentially neglects the idea that citizenship means something, right?
The average American worker, and we're going to get into all the facts, is treated like roadkill by people, the CEOs of these tech companies, the staffing companies, the IT companies, though I think that's frankly a more honorable death Because at least they don't have to train their replacements.
I mean, it's like a 21st century Mayan sacrifice where we have to train people from third world countries that, frankly, when you look at the data, they're not more qualified.
They're not more qualified because they're being taught by their American replacees to take their jobs.
It is an abusive relationship.
And I think legal immigration encapsulates the way that the American people have been gaslit for so long.
That we need to have this sort of codependent relationship with the globalist world, with the global world, with the global government, the idea that we need to import massive numbers.
And by the way, Steve, in trying to get all of the data and the numbers to actually sort of flush out the contours of this program, It's very similar to trying to get to the bottom of the origins of COVID-19.
The data's not readily available because they don't want it to be, because they know if they made it easier to make the case, if the American people could actually see these numbers in whole, there would literally be revolution.
And I say that in all sincerity.
But I want to start with just some of the lies, these sort of, I guess you would call it the original sin.
unidentified
Hold on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
steve bannon
I want to go back to that for a second.
There's nobody better that you put on the case than Natalie Winters when you've got to research something and get down to the bottom of it.
I mean, she loves spending a Saturday night going through federal reports and documents.
That's her idea of a good time.
Talk to me about that.
There's nobody better.
And when you come back and say...
This is the most, they obscure this, they go out of their way to block any kind of rational human being from actually seeing what's going on here.
Just give us an example of that and what you had to do to kind of even start the process of digging out the information.
natalie winters
Sure.
Well, for starters, we don't even know how many people are overstaying their visas, right?
So even if you want to look through the matrix just of the H-1B or the optional practical training, there's also the whole entire slate of the E-1 through 5 visas.
There's the L-1, there's the F-1.
You have no idea to know, even if you're looking through the legal paradigm of people who have been granted, right, those visa applications, they don't track The number of people who overstay them for starters, the actual number of people who are taking these non-immigrant or immigrant visas,
it's like stored on two separate computers at USCIS where they can't even cross-reference The data, but Steve, this is a pattern of behavior that the sort of, whatever you want to call it, the permanent political class, the moneyed interest, big business, in this case it's big tech, narrative and information warfare, that they've been waging all the way back to the 90s.
And why do I say that?
To get super granular.
For example, there was this tech lobbying industry group that was set up, the Information Technology Association of America, They put out this long-form report basically saying that, oh, there's such a shortage of American workers, we need to import a bunch of Indians to code.
And then, of course, they partnered with then Clinton's Department of Commerce.
They hosted a huge convention.
The Commerce Secretary actually spoke at the event.
New York Times gave it, I think it was a 3,000-word cover story.
And it was fear porn.
It was propaganda, the idea that if we don't import people from every other country, that America is going to fall by the wayside.
And it turned out that if you actually dug in to the numbers, That per the Government Accountability Office, and I quote, serious analytical and methodological weaknesses and all of the evidence that they were using for the study, it was unfounded.
It was never there.
And you can replicate this sort of just bogus scientific approach to all of the studies that, like I said, drafted that original sin, the idea that the H-1B, the EB, all this stuff rests upon that there's a shortage of American workers.
There's a study that Bill Gates always loves to cite, the Chamber of Commerce, all the sort of DC think tanks, where they say that, oh, well, every H-1B that's hired results in five American jobs.
Well, what that doesn't tell you is that when they were running those numbers, they purposely excluded all of the IT outsourcing companies like Infosys, Tata, Wipro, all of those companies.
They only selectively chose the companies to pull from.
There was no correlation.
And then even if you actually used that logic, that track record, you were getting over 100% in terms of jobs being brought into the United States, so it didn't comport.
Moreover, there was a separate study that Mark Zuckerberg loved to tout, again, the Chamber of Commerce, all these groups, where they were saying that there were 2.6 more jobs for every foreign-born STEM tech person who comes into the United States.
Well, it's so funny because the researcher who did that report, when she initially hit back to all of her tech overlords with her initial findings, which showed, well, just the exact opposite, they purposely told her to reorient the datasets, to look only at a certain timeframe, to get an idea where they say that there's, like I said, 2.62 more United States workers or jobs.
For every foreigner that you import.
And if you go through the data, it is all bogus science.
And there's more myths that I'd love to get into.
I don't have the show.
steve bannon
Hang on.
Hang on.
We're getting it all.
Will Upton's going to join us.
Natalie Winters is on a roll.
She's into the numbers and she can tell you by the facts that the South African tech bros are bald-faced liars.
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charlie kirk
Just to steal man of Vivek's argument, for the record, I'm very much against H1B's, and I think this tweet could have been worded differently, but don't we see some truth in what Vivek was saying, and I'll start with Blake, that there has been this slow-motion decline in the mediocrity, that there has been this acceptance that we're no longer going to pursue excellence, that we're no longer going to be the best at things anymore.
steve bannon
Come on, Charlie.
We almost had you all the way there.
That was Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk coming down to the fact that we don't need to import foreign workers because the American workers are as good or better.
As good or better, certainly not worse.
We're getting more of that.
No, Vivek's thing was, no, Charlie, it was terrible from start to finish.
Natalie, you're back with us.
Will Upton wrote an incredible piece today on the Daily, on National Pulse.
I'm going to toss it over to you, and let's drill down on Will's piece.
natalie winters
Sure.
Well, I would just say to Vivek, I've been told what, because I'm an American, I don't know how to sit down and study and research.
Well, I think last segment probably just disproved that.
I've always been more of a supporter of jock culture that I don't think they're mutually exclusive with.
valedictorian culture.
All that aside, we'll get into some more myths that those lovely tech bros have been spinning.
steve bannon
But hang on.
But hang on.
But ho, ho, ho, ho.
Stop, stop.
Because this gets back to Mo.
You came up in that Southern California culture of intense women's athletics.
I mean, you were a great volleyball player.
And his whole hit on the sleepovers.
I mean, come on.
It was so offensive.
And Mo, no, because here's one of the powers of Title IX in the sports division.
The girls play these team sports now that their moms probably never had an opportunity to play, and the scale of it is huge.
It leads to people that really know how to compete.
I mean, jock culture to me in the United States is fantastic, and it's particularly been, I think, great for young women, particularly after Title IX. I mean, my two sisters were terrific.
My older brother and my dad were great athletes.
As was my kid brother.
I was not, I would say, a good athlete.
But they were great.
And my dad, just thinking at the time, my two sisters were not that involved in athletics.
They just weren't.
It was just not a thing.
Although, in your generation, and Mo, in Southern California, all the little girls played team sports.
It was very intense from an early age.
And you saw as they went on, it's how you build leadership.
It was quite extraordinary.
I think Title IX, that's one of the reasons, as you know, Natalie, we fight so hard.
For it, given the fact that the transgender movement tried to destroy it.
But you saw right there the jock culture that infused kind of for little girls back in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s was the reason I think we have so many assertive young women today that really take charge and have tremendous leadership.
And I kind of saw it from the beginning with Moe.
natalie winters
Well, I mean, I think it goes back to what you view the United States of America as.
Do you view it as a shell company, a holding company for the vested interests of the globalist ruling class where children need to be raised from day one, how they can become the best maximizers of profit and value for corporations that to their core hate this country?
Or are they human beings, right, chosen and birthed and come into this world by the hand of God who should be allowed to, I don't know, I'm sure you and I are enterprising people.
we would be doing the same thing.
But the idea that American people have to compete with essentially modern day slaves in order to quote unquote be successful is offensive And if you want to do that, fine.
Go do that in another country that's not the United States of America.
The founding fathers were the founding fathers because they appreciated individual liberty and freedom and they had other things going on in their lives.
They love the idea of community and culture and township and kinship, not the idea that it was all about boosting profits for, I don't know, the British Empire.
Insert the new tech oligopoly into that sort of matrix, that critique there.
But it's so insulting.
And, Steve, to the core of it, it's also just a bald-faced lie that I reject the premise, right?
When you look at the data, which, like I said, is not readily available, these foreign workers that they're importing, even if job culture were bad, are not even better, right?
I mean, seriously, when you look at the numbers, since before President Trump took office, Steve, 72% of STEM engineers that have been hired in Silicon Valley under the age of 46 or 50 are foreign-born.
Over half of American STEM graduates will never work.
In STEM fields.
And the people who are involved on the sick, awful, sinister side, the dark side of this trade, the IT staffing companies, they know it.
The CEO of Emphasis admitted in 2016, there are enough universities, enough ability to hire, enough ability to teach from the United States of America.
That's a direct quote.
And when they did a whole analysis, when they were able to get some comparative review, Between American workers in terms of literacy, their ability to understand numbers and code and all of that, which, like I said, are numbers that are not readily available.
There's a chart you can put up on screen.
Domestic workers outpaced the foreign-born ones by every single measure, in some cases, many times over.
And by the way, Steve, when you look at who they're importing, 83% of the people that they're importing, at least for the H-1B category, are all condemned To below the 50% mark of what the average American tech worker makes.
So spare me the idea that we're importing the best and the brightest.
And when you amortize it, when you look at it in terms of levels of skill, Only 6% of the H-1Bs that they're importing fall under the quote-unquote fully competent level per GAO analysis.
So the idea that because I had sleepovers when I was a kid, therefore renders me eligible to be replaced by someone who doesn't speak English, doesn't know the code, and is probably lying and is part of a visa system that is used for human trafficking and child trafficking and labor abuses and horrific crimes That are a stain on this country is absolutely insulting on so many levels,
not just by Vivek, but by the big business interests on both sides who are pushing it.
And you're seeing it today, and I'll bring Will in if I can with this Just idiotic, I guess you're now allowed to say the word retarded, but I'll use it, this retarded Dignity Act that's co-sponsored and led by Republican Maria Salazar, who's the worst, a complete listless vessel for open borders, amnesty agenda, and big business.
But, Will, tell the audience what House Republicans are currently pushing for as we speak, In terms of granting amnesty and welcoming even more hordes of illegal invaders while continuously opening the door to legal invaders too, all oxymorons aside.
unidentified
Thanks for having me on, Natalie.
The Dignity Act, much like the supposed border security bill that we saw late last year, that was actually just a bunch of funding for Ukraine and for Israel and for Taiwan, and then a jobs program for illegal immigrants coming over the border.
It's a bit of an oxymoron.
So there's actually three parts of this that are really horrendous.
It creates three new federal programs.
One is essentially the DREAM Act, which was pushed by Barack Obama and the Democrats in the early mid-2000s.
Which would basically create a pathway to permanent residency for illegal immigrant minors who were brought into the United States either by their parents or by human traffickers or whatever, what have you.
The other component of this bill is something that Salazar has dubbed the Dignity Program.
So this would prevent the immediate deportation of illegal immigrants who are employed, lack of criminal record, and then pay – voluntarily pay into this federal fund that will go towards the retraining of U.S. workers, American citizen workers.
And I would note that even Chris Hayes over at MSNBC has acknowledged that these job retraining programs, unless it's a similar industry or a similar sector, don't actually work.
These people aren't getting new jobs.
You're not retraining coal miners to work in high tech and vice versa.
This isn't something that actually really functions.
It's a way for the government to kind of give itself a fig leaf here and say they're trying to help American workers while they continue to import cheap foreign labor.
The third program it creates is the redemption program.
This would grant permanent resident status to illegal immigrants who actually contribute to the dignity program.
This is sort of the third stage of an eventual amnesty kind of plot that's laid out in this bill.
You're right.
This is about importing cheap foreign labor.
And the other sort of concerning component of the Dignity Act is Salazar is proposing to increase the country caps under the H-1B visa from 7% to 15%.
So she's more than doubling the country caps.
And this would have, I think, a very detrimental impact, especially with companies like Infosys that are tied to India and are very focused on importing Indian immigrants into the United States to work at these tech companies.
They may only have three months of boot camp coding training.
And then they've lied on their resume.
They've lied about their academic backgrounds.
So essentially, this would allow India to further dominate the H-1B system and sort of let them eat up more space within it and enrich these companies like Infosys and Cognizant and others.
So that's sort of the really concerning components of this bill.
And again, they give it the fig leaf of the worker retraining program, but they also give it a fig leaf over, I think it's a five- or six-year budget window, a $25 billion towards border security infrastructure, hiring on more Customs and Border Patrol agents, and hiring on more immigration judges and support staff, which are all good things.
Let's do that as a standalone bill.
We don't need the lifting of the H-1B visa caps.
We don't need the dignity program.
We don't need the redemption program.
It's just otherwise...
steve bannon
Hey, Will, hang on one second.
Natalie, hang on one second.
We're going to go to break.
Because they're having the conference, they're going to go out to Fort McNair on Saturday to talk about one reconciliation versus the other, and also Johnson.
I guess Johnson tomorrow will talk about that.
My question to Will Upton when we get back is how...
Realistic.
Is this going to be tucked into a reconciliation, independent, all of it?
Anyway, hang on.
Natalie Winters, who just dropped the bomb of all bombs.
72% of STEM workers are foreign or Americans not going to work in STEM after taking all their education in that.
You see the lies.
There is no legal immigration into this country.
It is all 100% a scam.
And that's why the war room is calling for a 100% moratorium on all immigration.
Until we sort this mess out and put the American people, the American worker, particularly the American citizen first.
Short commercial break.
Back with Will Upton, Natalie Winters in a moment.
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Will Upton, this weekend's conference with the Republican House, is this going to get slid into the reconciliation?
Because we're talking about maybe two.
We want two.
We want one that's just the border energy, maybe throwing a little defense, but taxes and that will come later.
Is this going to get slid?
Is she going to make a presentation?
I mean, is this thing real?
Or is this the type of thing they just put out so they can get the war room's head blown up and, you know, Natalie doing research all weekend and me yelling into a microphone, sir?
unidentified
All right.
I told you, Lex, it's very real.
The concern is that they're going to try to slip this into the reconciliation bill.
Representative Salazar didn't just come up with this on her own.
She's got some very, very powerful backers on this bill.
She even admits it on her website that she wrote this in consultation with Big Ag, with the farming industry, with immigration reform groups who are actually pro-mass immigration, open-border progressive non-profits.
So there's some firepower behind this piece of legislation.
And the concern is it could end up in the reconciliation bill, sort of like we saw with the CR, the 1,500-page CR, where there was some random pieces of legislation that had been sort of sitting around Congress for the better part of a year or two that just sort of popped up in it in their entirety.
So that's the concern is that it'll get cut this weekend and we could see This sort of amnesty plan, this clandestine amnesty plan that's, again, parading as a border bill gets snuck into the continuing resolution, which would be very, very bad.
steve bannon
Will, we can get Will Upton.
Will was in the Treasury Department in President Trump's first term.
We strongly advocate that he be in a senior position in the second.
We'll see over the next couple of weeks.
Will, in the meantime, you're at National Pulse helping out Raheem.
Where do people go to get your writings?
The National Pulse is the place I go first in the morning.
I guess after CFP, I guess CFP is the first, then National Pulse is second.
Where do folks go?
unidentified
Yeah, so it's thenationalpulse.com.
We're entire user-supported and reader-supported, so our readers, through subscriptions and through donations, helps us produce this work.
Unlike Representative Salazar, who's obviously bought and paid for, it seems like, by corporations and progressive immigration groups.
So we don't have any major donors.
We don't have You know, advertisements or anything.
We're entirely subscription-based, so I would encourage everybody to subscribe if you want to continue seeing original research like we did with the Dignity Act.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
And everything Raheem and the team over at National Pulse.
So, Natalie, you kind of started as an intern at the National Pulse.
It's one of the ways Raheem taught you how to do research.
Not.
Give us your assessment.
I want to go back to your statistic, but I want to tie them to Salazar's bill.
Folks, please understand this.
If you go to National Pulse and read it, or if you're shocked about what Will Upton just told you is a Republican bill, Understand, when Will Upton says this has a lot of firepower back of it, this is where the biggest donors are coming in for the dignity bill.
This is exactly what they're going to try to slip in to make sure that, oh yeah, we're going to have a border bill, and we're going to take care of the border, and they're going to have some lipstick on that to say, yeah, we're going to deport some people, which they'll never end up doing.
But they're going to codify in here, Natalie, what destroys American workers, and this is not...
The progressive left.
This is not...
They've got elements of it.
They're working with them.
They've got elements of it because you have the congressman, I think, down from El Paso, Texas.
One of the most radical.
She's the co-sponsor.
But this is a Republican bill, ma'am.
natalie winters
I think, yeah, the congressman who had videos leaked showing that she was helping aid and abet illegal aliens, yeah, I think that's the one.
I always say I like my border bills and my immigration policy opposed and, you know, protested by the SPLC, the ACLU, all the left-wing groups, so if it's not, that's typically a telltale sign.
That it's bad.
But, I mean, people shouldn't be shocked, right?
This is business as usual in Washington, D.C., and it's absolutely disgusting.
I'm sorry.
I'm just going to say it.
But these companies, the infosys of the world, the lobbyists that they have, the people who lie, the Salazars, they are the scum of the earth.
And I truly, truly, truly mean that.
And in the same way that we've been sitting here all day and saying, wow, wouldn't it be great if, I don't know, like, the FBI or the intel community, instead of focusing on MAGA grandmas and Catholic churches, actually focused on, I don't know, radical Islamic terrorism?
Well, wouldn't it be nice if our elected officials in the Department of, I don't know, Homeland Security, emphasis on Homeland, Department of Labor, Department of Commerce, Actually did the same for the American workers.
And in the same way that Islam does not mean peace, but it means submission counter to what you're told on MSNBC, dignity and unity and all these stupid things that the Maria Salazar's of the world push on us, they don't mean that.
They mean a complete and utter capitulation and destruction of this country.
Right?
They say, right, Steve, I'm sure what I just said will get smeared by MSNBC, by whoever.
Oh, we're so nativist.
We're so xenophobic.
Well, in the same way that it's not us who's waging war on China with tariffs, right?
It's not the trade.
It's not Trump's trade war.
In the same way that it's not retribution, right?
That we won against the deep state.
It's justice.
It's just the idea that America is a country where our elected officials should actually do something for our citizens who, what, 40% don't even have $400 in a bank account?
And you want to ram through tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of foreigners when one half of Americans who have STEM degrees will never be able to get a job in that field?
Well, 72% Of people under the age of 46 working in Silicon Valley are foreign-born, and that of the foreigners that they're importing, only 6% of them constitute the highest, most skilled class.
And here's a number, I'll raise you this, Steve, that everyone who's listening to this show should be so mad about.
Since the pandemic, jobs, occupation, employment for foreign-born people has gone up by 4.4 million.
And for domestic, actual American citizens, it has fallen a net loss of 833,000.
That's about a net spread of 5 million jobs.
I mean, let that sink in.
And by the way, the people that they're importing are the ones who are, what, writing the code, that are now censoring American citizens, ripping off people because, what, Elon doesn't agree with them on X? Yeah, maybe if you import people from cultures that don't appreciate, what is it, the Anglo-Saxon tradition of debate and free speech, and they're essentially indentured servants where they know they can't whistleblow, maybe that's how you get such corrupt tech companies And tech policies coming out of Silicon Valley.
And by the way, the real tell in all of this, as scuzzy and scummy as Hunter Biden was, even he wasn't involved in the whole H-1B selling visa fiasco, right?
And I think the most offensive part of this, Steve, is that our elected officials, Maria Salazar included, they will stand up there and hype and stress the importance of sovereignty when it comes to Ukraine.
The fight that we could mount to actually defend the American worker is 1,000 times more winnable than Ukraine in terms of the chances that they ever had defeating Russia.
So maybe we should do what they've done to American workers here, and maybe we should take the brilliant idea of what?
Importing Russians to go fight for Ukraine?
Because apparently that's what we're doing here, right?
All these tech oligarchs who tell us the reason why we need to import foreigners is so we can be competitive with China.
Who, what, then don't support delisting them from the stock exchange?
The number two largest country in terms of receiving H1B visas is China, a country that actively has national security law that stipulates that any one of their citizens can be requisitioned for any national security purpose by the Chinese Communist Party at any time.
And by the way, Microsoft, who's very involved in this, Bill Gates is one of the key lobbyists for H1B expansion.
If you really want to take down the Chinese Communist Party, because apparently that's the justification that you're giving for destroying the livelihoods of millions of American people, well, you're also the same company that literally built Windows China Government Edition, which is what the Chinese Communist Party runs on, and that's how all these tech companies have made most of their profits.
Selling out and shilling to the Chinese Communist Party.
And now they want to rub it in your face and say that to be competitive against China, you need to siege your sovereignty and cheapen the value of American citizenship.
And then, Steve, just to seal it all up in a nice bow.
They're now going to call it the Dignity Act and say that you, as an American citizen, if you don't want to open your door to every illegal or legal migrant under the sun who is less skilled than you and is going to take your children and your grandchildren's job, that you're a nativist and that you're a bad person.
And you can tell I'm really fired up about this.
I don't usually get like this.
But it's days like these where you really question what does it even mean to be American if the government that is supposedly representing you is actively working to sabotage your ability to make a living to have a family To be able to just live a free and prosperous life because they would rather make a quick buck off of exploiting foreigners who don't really even speak English and are not more skilled or talented than you.
It is absolutely despicable and these people truly are the scum of the earth.
And I mean that.
unidentified
Full L.A. culture, full jock culture, it's disgusting.
steve bannon
Give me a minute on the fact that the facts here are, you can't debate the facts.
They're overwhelming.
But they still try to gaslight you.
They still try to gaslight you with, these are highly skilled foreign workers.
We need highly skilled foreign workers.
You see it over and over and over.
Is that a bald-faced lie, ma'am?
natalie winters
It is because every H-1B visa application that gets rejected is then just filled by an American citizen, right?
It's absolutely absurd.
And like I said, the only actual analysis that they've given in terms of comparing foreign and domestic workers shows that domestic workers outperform their foreign counterparts.
Obviously, because they're American and they speak English and they graduated from American institutions, not random diploma mills from third world countries.
It's so obvious national security risks Aside, but like I said, Steve, you could even make a tenfold, a hundredfold times stronger case than what I'm making now, but they purposely strip the data.
And the real tell is that I don't see any of these huge tech guys putting out massive mega threads talking about how H1B people are so great and are more talented.
The threads are that, well, it's actually not that much more expensive.
Like, okay, okay.
steve bannon
We're waiting for it, David Sachs.
We're waiting for the South Africans.
Where are the South Africans?
Teal, David Sachs, Elon, where are the South Africans when you need them?
White South Africans are going to tell the United States what in the hell to do.
That's lovely.
They've had such a great track record in South Africa.
Short commercial break.
Back in the warm in just a moment.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
Okay, top of the hour.
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Your stuff's already going viral here in this first hour.
And I want to make sure we play 10 any time tomorrow because if you like today, there's a lot more where that came from.
Natalie, give us a heads up of what we're going to do at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.
unidentified
Well, look, I don't think I've achieved full outlaw status yet.
I think you only get that for serving four months in Danbury.
natalie winters
I identify as more of a rebel.
But if congressional Republicans aren't working overtime enough to, what, destroy this country, the Biden regime is secretly clandestinely using weird code and regulation, particularly through DOJ and DHS, To transform immigration policy sort of through three main silos.
One is for H1B, H2B reform.
You can imagine who they're benefiting with those changes.
They're also kind of gumming up the whole asylum system in terms of the interplay between judges and asylum officers.
And I'll leave the audience with this.
In case you thought that being an American citizen meant that, I don't know, your government would try to protect you from national security crises and public health emergencies, Well, you'd be severely mistaken because the Biden regime is actively lobbying and actually essentially implementing a role through DOJ and DHS to delay the implementation of a rule that would allow border patrol,
border agents to deny migrants admission into this country who may pose a danger to the United States because they represent a public health crisis or public health emergency.
So I don't know how that quite squares with the idea of being a sovereign nation, but apparently migrants with communicable diseases, you can't even kick those people out anymore under Joe Biden.
That's too radical a proposition.
So we'll be getting into all of that and, believe me, much more where all of this came from tomorrow.
steve bannon
Natalie is not a rebel, and she's not an outlaw.
She's a rogue.
That's where she fits into the War Room production team here.
And so, guys, when you call Natalie and pitch the idea of a dinner and a movie on a Saturday night, and she tells you, no, I've got to go through the Federal Register, she's not kidding.
She would blow you off of saying, I'm washing my hair.
When she says I'm going through the Federal Register, she means it.
Natalie, what is your social media so everybody can catch up with you between now and tomorrow?
natalie winters
Well, I'm still on X as of now.
unidentified
I don't know after this show if I will be, but it's Natalie G. Winters on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all the places.
natalie winters
Thank you, Steve, for having me.
Always an honor to co-host with you.
steve bannon
Thank you, hon. And probably they're going to do to you what they did to Laura Loomer to bury it or do whatever it is.
I forget all the techniques that, you know, Elon has a glass jaw, so you can't handle Laura Loomer and Natalie Winters.
That's okay.
They're pretty tough customers.
They can throw a punt.
natalie winters
I know if you're a place to buy an H-1B, so I'll take that.
steve bannon
Amen, sister.
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