Dec. 19, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| It's Thursday, 19 December, year of war, 2024. | ||
| We are live from the Phoenix Convention Center in downtown Phoenix, Arizona. | ||
| We're here for AmFest. | ||
| My wingman, Natalie Winters, that'll be up and down on the show all day long today as we deal with the firestorm in Washington, D.C. of a government that's about to shut down. | ||
| I mean, that's not that terrible, is it? | ||
| We have massive breaking news. | ||
| We're going to get to a call open in a moment. | ||
| Natalie Winters, huge news out of Atlanta, Georgia. | ||
| What do you have for us? | ||
| The Georgia Court of Appeals has just ruled that Fannie Willis must be disqualified from the 2020 election case along with her entire office, which essentially means that if they want to re-up the case, they'd have to shop it around to another district. | ||
| It's such good news. | ||
| I'm happy to read the entire statement if you would like to. | ||
| I'm going to savor this. | ||
| Joy Ann Reed, Rachel Maddow, all of MSNBC. We're going to savor this all day today. | ||
| Take your time and take it from the top. | ||
| This is absolute blockbuster news. | ||
| What happened in Atlanta, Georgia? | ||
| Georgia was an appellate court down there. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I think our retribution's a little bit better than theirs. | ||
| After carefully considering the trial court's findings and its order, we conclude that it erred by failing to disqualify D.A. Willis and her office. | ||
| The remedy crafted by the trial court to prevent an ongoing appearance of impropriety did nothing to address the appearance of impropriety that existed at times when D.A. Willis was exercising her broad pretrial discretion about who to prosecute and what charges to bring. | ||
| While we recognize that an appearance of impropriety generally is not enough to support disqualification, This is the rare case in which disqualification is mandated and no other remedy will suffice to restore public confidence in the integrity of these proceedings. | ||
| That is a full beatdown, is it not? | ||
| That's not the War Room Posse. | ||
| That's not Gateway Pundit. | ||
| That's not Citizen Free Press. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is something we have talked about on the show since, I think, the summer of 23, was it? | ||
| I think we're adding Fannie Willis to the list of blanket preemptive parties. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no, Fannie and her entire office. | ||
| By the way, Fannie, you're part of the vast criminal conspiracy. | ||
| It's quite obvious. | ||
| This is unbelievable, and I had tip to Boris Epstein and the entire President Trump legal team for this, and also for the electors and Rudy Giuliani and everybody, Mark Meadows, everybody that was tortured by these people. | ||
| Let's take it. | ||
| So, folks, this is a great way to start this conference. | ||
| We're here at AmFest with Tucker's here, Don Jr.'s here. | ||
| The President's coming. | ||
| So we're kicking off today. | ||
| As you know, we love doing these live shows. | ||
| We're here quite early in the morning and the gates haven't totally opened so we'll get folks up here and we'll be in the audience doing with all the war and posse. | ||
| But I want to take it one more time because essentially the Georgia case is not only finished And dead. | ||
| But more importantly, the hunted are now going to become the hunters because Fannie Willis is a crook. | ||
| She's totally corrupt. | ||
| Was it Nathan Wade? | ||
| Nathan Wade, that entire fiasco, the embarrassing, humiliating fiasco, which we said from day one was not just illegal, but it was also a fiasco. | ||
| Can you just read it one more time? | ||
| This is a major development from the appellate court in the state of Georgia. | ||
| I will happily read it a second time. | ||
| We'd be doing this all day. | ||
| Yeah, this is our show programming. | ||
| After carefully considering the trial court's findings in its order, we conclude that it erred by failing to disqualify D.A. Willis and her office. | ||
| The remedy crafted by the trial court to prevent an ongoing appearance of impropriety did nothing to address the appearance of impropriety that existed at times when D.A. Willis was exercising her broad pretrial discretion about who to prosecute and what charges to bring. | ||
| While we recognize that an appearance of impropriety generally is not enough to support disqualification. | ||
| This is the rare case in which disqualification is mandated and no other remedy will suffice to restore public confidence in the integrity of these proceedings Folks, in legal talk, for an appellate court, that's a full beatdown. | ||
| Okay, we had a whole show scheduled today out at AmFest, but there happens to be a firestorm up on Capitol Hill, and President Trump may be throwing a tad, a little bit of gasoline, jet fuel on top of it. | ||
| So, what we're going to do, and we've got Brian Glenn here, Natalie Winters, keeping us total speed, Grace Chung, people in Washington, D.C. Brian's actually our Capitol Hill correspondent with us out here today. | ||
| We've got a lot going on. | ||
| We're going to try to get some folks in here live, but we must cover this, I don't know, the CR, former CR. I think right now we're hurtling towards a government shutdown, which, hey, we kind of support it. | ||
| We've gotten great things out of government shutdowns. | ||
| Let's go and play the cold open we've got, and we'll be back here in about three or four minutes. | ||
| We're going to play cold open. | ||
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Actually addressed some of their concerns with the existing framework, and I want to share a little bit of what we heard from them. | |
| Watch this. | ||
| Look, the American people don't send their representatives to Washington to vote on a 1,500-page bill in less than 24 hours that spends $110 billion. | ||
| More regulation, I mean, just wasteful spending, no pay-pours, right? | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| This is, you know, we won the election. | ||
| This has got to change. | ||
| And guess what was hidden in there? | ||
| And I'm still livid about this. | ||
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Pay raises for us. | |
| How does that square? | ||
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What return on investment have we given the people of America other than $37 trillion in debt? | |
| Okay, between that and the finger pointing on who's going to own the shutdown, what actually happens next? | ||
| Well, what happens next is that Donald Trump controls the narrative. | ||
| He's done that already, and we were talking earlier. | ||
| I'm amazed that he's not in office yet, and he looks like he's running things and trying to own the narrative on Biden's watch, as you argued. | ||
| And I'm like, wait, who's president right now? | ||
| Shouldn't we be talking? | ||
| Shouldn't somebody else be talking right now? | ||
| Despite having the stamp of approval from congressional leadership, Trump and Vice President-elect J.D. Vance put out a joint statement condemning the bill, also demanding the legislation include a debt ceiling increase, writing, increasing the debt ceiling is not great, but we'd rather do it on Biden's watch, and we should pass a streamlined spending bill that does not give Chuck Schumer and the Democrats everything they want. | ||
| That came after Musk spent hours, literally hours yesterday, criticizing the sprawling bill on social media, posting about it more than 100 times throughout the day. | ||
| The president-elect also threatened to support a primary opponent to any Republican who went against his wishes on this, and we can assume on other things as well. | ||
| Several sources tell NBC News House Speaker Mike Johnson's team is now looking at a clean short-term bill that continues federal funding at current levels and also could include disaster relief funding and an extension of the farm bill. | ||
| The White House released a statement reading, in part, triggering a damaging government shutdown would hurt families who are gathering to meet with their loved ones and endanger the basic services Americans, from veterans to Social Security recipients, rely on. | ||
| A deal is a deal. | ||
| Republicans should keep their word. | ||
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We're all watching the dumpster catch fire once again, but somehow the flames seem even more spectacular and brighter and hotter than they were before. | |
| Donald Trump is presumed to have a mandate, is presumed to be able to control the Republican conference and have them do his bidding. | ||
| Tonight it seems like there are going to be problems along the way. | ||
| What are you making of what we're seeing unfold on the Hill right now? | ||
| Well, I'd say a couple things. | ||
| First, this is a preview of what government is going to look like under Donald Trump starting January 20th of 2025. Pure chaos, government by tweet, shadow President Elon Musk with no knowledge of what he's talking about, just firing off a tweet and then upending a bipartisan deal. | ||
| It's pure chaos out there. | ||
| And so that's one. | ||
| Two, I think Donald Trump is trying to do something that seems almost quasi-strategic here, which is to get the debt ceiling raised. | ||
| No Democrat should vote for a debt ceiling increase on Joe Biden's watch. | ||
| As Congresswoman Crockett pointed out, Republicans have the House, the Senate, and the White House coming up, and therefore, this is their job to do, and they should do it next year. | ||
| It's a colossal mess, Willie. | ||
| This bill looked all set to pass the House and the Senate over the coming days. | ||
| It had broad bipartisan support after it was inked by Speaker Mike Johnson, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, and leadership in both parties. | ||
| That's a classic, the kind of bill in divided government that neither party really likes. | ||
| But it had real victories for each side. | ||
| But this all changed yesterday. | ||
| Very, very much out of the blue. | ||
| When some House Republicans started to raise issues, it was a normal griping session until Elon Musk started tweeting up a storm about it, which encouraged those House Republicans that fueled that conversation. | ||
| And then before you know it, Trump came out attacking the bill, and that's when it unraveled. | ||
| Now, there is a midnight deadline tomorrow to keep the government funded or face a shutdown. | ||
| There's no plan right now. | ||
| There's no bill, let alone, you know, that can get the support of the House of Representatives and the Senate and get signed into law by President Biden. | ||
| These are uncharted waters at this point, having a deal blown up so quickly, so close to the deadline on something of this magnitude. | ||
| All of this comes back to the fact that Donald Trump is very responsive and has always been responsive to what his base is mad about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the Republican Party has spent a lot of time inculcating this sense of anger about the debt limit. | ||
| They have suggested that this means that, you know, that's going to get out of control. | ||
| You know, we've we've had over these arguments a thousand times. | ||
| So Donald Trump has long been responsive to his base being mad about stuff. | ||
| And we're seeing that broadly with the spending bill. | ||
| But we are all seeing that very specifically with what you just said. | ||
| He doesn't want to have to be the guy that does this because he understands this is something that people get mad about. | ||
| And even though he's won reelection, even though he, according to the Constitution, cannot run for president again and does not have to go before voters again. | ||
| He still wants that approval. | ||
| He still wants to be on the side of the people who are fighting against government, and this is how it manifests. | ||
| What do you mean he can't run for president again? | ||
| Who says that? | ||
| Trump 2028. Come on. | ||
| That's a weapons-grade troll right there. | ||
| Okay, I hope that we're in posse. | ||
| I hope you're grinding your teeth right now. | ||
| I wanted to have that cold open just to make sure your head's blew up. | ||
| We're here live on Capitol Hill. | ||
| How do I say it? | ||
| Brian Glenn's going to join me in the next block. | ||
| Natalie Winters has got a lot to report on. | ||
| The whole Liz Cheney situation and everything that's going on with the January 6th committee, including President Trump says they should be criminally indicted. | ||
| I think Loudermilk sent over a criminal referral to the FBI. But we have to deal with what's going on at Capitol Hill. | ||
| So, as you know yesterday, we saw the CR. Here's the question. | ||
| This is about process. | ||
| We need to have these as what the British used to call a close-run thing. | ||
| And what I mean by that is we've talked You know, over the last couple of months, you have the Doge guys who really are advisors or consultants to Russ vote in the team at OMB, right? | ||
| You have to put that plan in there. | ||
| You've got the appropriations process. | ||
| We needed to take the CR and just kind of kick it into next year, into past January 20th, maybe to March, to give President Trump and his team some time to get their arms around this. | ||
| We understand that you guys are with us 1,000 percent, that we hate any type of CRs. | ||
| It's just usually a cop-out. | ||
| I'm so proud of Natalie Winters and Grace Chong that led the effort while I was at Danbury in the federal prison there, led the effort back in the, I think it was in September, when you came up at the end of the fiscal year to say, hey, look, you know, we don't care if you're putting some qualification in there about illegal alien voting. | ||
| That's just performative. | ||
| And right now we're hardline, no CR. The issue is President Trump's got to get some runway here. | ||
| The issue is about what's in there. | ||
| Now, the war on posse, hey, if it shuts down, it shuts down. | ||
| We've always had winds coming out of government shutdowns. | ||
| We're not worried about a government shutdown, but you have to lay out the narrative framework for that. | ||
| The issue right now with Speaker Johnson is they're up there, you know, people are coming in and out of his office. | ||
| They're trying to figure it out. | ||
| Hey, just give us a two-liner. | ||
| Give us a two-liner and let's figure it out after President Trump takes charge or just let it shut down naturally and President Trump will take charge of it on the afternoon of January 20th. | ||
| The issue with the debt ceiling, Hakeem Jeffries has just come out on the new alternative for Twitter. | ||
| I think it's called Blue Sky or something, some left-wing Twitter feed. | ||
| He said no Democrat's going to vote for a debt ceiling increase. | ||
| So everybody's going to get jammed up on that. | ||
| We've got a lot to break down, a lot to discuss, including the capital markets. | ||
| What does the bond markets say about this? | ||
| Folks, I don't want to say I was giving you signal, not noise, on Sunday night at the New York Young Republicans Club, but the centerpiece of my speech was exactly about this, is that President Trump's term in office, the second term, maybe before a third term, but the second term is going to be defined about his economic plan and how the global capital markets respond to it. | ||
| They've already turfed out the government in the United Kingdom. | ||
| They've turfed out the government in France. | ||
| They've turfed out the government in Germany. | ||
| They're about to turf out... | ||
| They've turfed out two-thirds of the government in Canada. | ||
| They kind of turfed out Joe Biden. | ||
| That's where inflation came from. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to make it all make sense. | ||
| Next, live from Phoenix, in the War Room. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Van. | |
| Okay, our Capitol Hill correspondent, Brian Glenn, is right next to me. | ||
| Brian Glenn, why are you right next to me at AmFest? | ||
| One day, the Capitol, we asked Brian to come out to do interviews and to give us insight. | ||
| And of course, because the CR was supposed to be passed, the vote was scheduled for this morning, I think, at 9 or 10 o'clock, and then people were getting out of town for the Christmas holidays. | ||
| Well, they might be staying over the holidays. | ||
| Talk to us, what are you hearing right now? | ||
| I hear the Speaker's office is a fiasco, and this is not acceptable. | ||
| This is, the Speaker owed it to the President to have some sort of order, and number one, here's what you need to do. | ||
| You've got to read people in. | ||
| Look, as the Warren Posse understands, and our audience understands, because you're more up to speed than anybody, The complexity of what we have to do to sort this mess out that President Trump was dumped on him. | ||
| And remember, it's the three lines of work. | ||
| It's number one, it's the kinetic part of the Third World War, right? | ||
| He's got to deal with Ukraine. | ||
| He's got to deal with the Middle East. | ||
| Now Syria is collapsing. | ||
| We have an invasion of the southern border. | ||
| And what is Axios report last night? | ||
| The Senate, these worms in the Senate are trying to cut. | ||
| They're trying to cut their own border deal. | ||
| The Senate, which includes DACA and the Dreamers and all of it, Behind President Trump's back. | ||
| So he's got the whole deportations to deal with. | ||
| But as I said on Sunday night in New York, the main thing, the main event now is he's got to get the economic and financial house in order. | ||
| Because you just look around the world and you see these governments falling. | ||
| And they're falling because of two things. | ||
| Number one, They can't support the debt they have, or in trying to cut the deficits, trying to cut the deficits, their plans are really, they're laying it off on working class and middle class people, and people are just rejecting that out of hand. | ||
| France has fallen. | ||
| Germany has fallen. | ||
| The United Kingdom with Truss and Richie Sunak. | ||
| Essentially fell. | ||
| The Labor Party right now is in a free fall because of the exact same thing. | ||
| They got the largest majority, I think, in the history of the United Kingdom. | ||
| Trudeau's government's about to fall. | ||
| The finance minister quit. | ||
| And here at Capitol Hill, you have the same thing. | ||
| Speaker Johnson owed it to everybody. | ||
| Think of what happened. | ||
| Johnson went to UFC. He's on the plane all the time. | ||
| He's at the UFC fight. | ||
| He's at the football game, Army-Navy. | ||
| He's bro-ing out with the VEC and with Elon. | ||
| He's at the cool kids, little nerds at the cool kids table. | ||
| He's hanging with the president. | ||
| None of them We're read in. | ||
| He didn't read in the fact that we thought this was a two-line and add a third line for $10 billion for the farmers, add a fourth line for some immediate relief for the folks in North Carolina and in Central Florida from the hurricane. | ||
| And what does he do? | ||
| 1,500 pages. | ||
| That's quite obvious, as Natalie Winters and others have brought out, that Hakeem Jeffries either was negotiated with Hakeem Jeffries or Hakeem Jeffries just had two-thirds of the package. | ||
| Always remember, when we talk about the CRs, and one of the reasons that the Warren Posse hates them, is that this would just lock in the spending of kind of what's gone before, right? | ||
| So it was going to be essentially $500 billion, a half a trillion dollars, for those 90 days anyway. | ||
| You're layering on top another $200 or $300 billion, and all of a sudden, guess what? | ||
| Every 100 days is a trillion dollars. | ||
| This is what Johnson did. | ||
| And it's not just the act itself. | ||
| It's the communications and understanding what President Trump is up against that are tightly coordinated. | ||
| So Brian Glenn, you've got some great sources on the Hill. | ||
| It's a fiasco up there right now. | ||
| Hey, there's worse things in the world than the government shutting down, right brother? | ||
| You know, if you listen to the base, Steve, the base could care less. | ||
| If this tyrannical government stays funded, we shut it down until President Trump comes into office and he can take over from there. | ||
| I'm so glad you brought up Speaker Johnson and all the bro moments that we saw on the plane at the game. | ||
| We all thought he's going to be, we're all going to be on the same page here. | ||
| We're all going to be walking lockstep because the American people did deliver a mandate with this election. | ||
| But what we've seen is Speaker Johnson go back to the swampy deals of what we've been fighting and you and the war room posse for years. | ||
| The swamp is the swamp. | ||
| And we've got to make some very hard, tough decisions on this. | ||
| And to be honest with you, I'm not sure we're there. | ||
| I don't think we have a deal. | ||
| I don't think we have a vote. | ||
| I think the government shuts down on Friday. | ||
| That's just my opinion. | ||
| So in Johnson's office right now, there's obviously a lot of panic They're there. | ||
| They're trying to see what President Trump supports. | ||
| But President Trump has thrown a bomb into the mix with the debt ceiling. | ||
| I just want to remind people, folks down at Palm Beach, McCarthy is the first Speaker of the House ever to be turfed out because he gave Biden a two-year no-cap deal. | ||
| Now, President Trump's going to need some runway, but I think this has got to be kind of thought through. | ||
| Maybe we tighten it up here. | ||
| Hakeem Jeffries has already come just to jam us up and said no Democrats will vote at all for any increase in the debt ceiling because they're showing their hands right now. | ||
| So I think we've got a lot to do. | ||
| This is what Johnson and the team around him, and to be brutally frank about it, he's just not up to the task. | ||
| He's not up to the moment. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| So what are you hearing from your sources of members on Capitol Hill? | ||
| What's the word out there? | ||
| Massey's already come out and said, remember Johnson can only lose three votes, I think. | ||
| For the speakership on January 3rd, Massey's already out. | ||
| I think Eli Crane and Gosar and some of the other Arizona contingent are showing some leg on that week. | ||
| They're not there. | ||
| What are you hearing? | ||
| Same. | ||
| The same. | ||
| I think Speaker Johnson going into this, if he would have, if they would have done something yesterday, Steve, and would have voted before Trump spoke out, because when Trump spoke out, that sends shockwaves, as you know. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When he lays down his opinion on something, it is a political suicide. | ||
| When he comes out, it's like a papal bull, right? | ||
| You should basically focus on it. | ||
| And it's political suicide to go against it, in my opinion. | ||
| And Elon Musk coming out and saying that he would primary any Republican that's going to vote for this. | ||
| Look, the American people, they don't care. | ||
| They shut the government down. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| I'm trying to find out how many people in the House agree with that, though. | ||
| How many people agree with what? | ||
| Shunning it down. | ||
| No, I'm sure most of the moderate Republicans, the Main Street Republicans, they don't want to do that. | ||
| They're always totally panicked, right? | ||
| It's always the House Freedom Caucus and the more war room posse, war room adjacent members who don't have a problem with it. | ||
| Let's hang on one second. | ||
| Natalie, we have Jeff Clark on the phone. | ||
| Okay, Jeff Clark is going to join us on the phone. | ||
| We've got tons of stuff going on here. | ||
| We're juggling and want to talk about Atlanta. | ||
| Jeff Clark... | ||
| Make it make sense to us. | ||
| This is something we've argued here at the War Room for a couple of years about Fonny Willis. | ||
| Tell us what the appellate court down there just is. | ||
| Is it as big a beatdown as it sounded like when Natalie read from their own papers? | ||
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I think so, Steve, and thanks for having me on. | |
| I mean, this is tremendous news, and for those of us like me who are criminal defendants in the Fonny Willis case, as ridiculous as the entire case is, It's a good Christmas present, great Christmas present for President Trump about a month before he takes the oath of office. | ||
| She clearly had a conflict of interest here. | ||
| She hired her own boyfriend at an elevated rate of pay that he did not deserve to have. | ||
| To be one of the special prosecutors in the case for her. | ||
| And then he proceeded to take her on lavish trips to the Napa Valley, to the Caribbean, you name it. | ||
| He took her around cruises and the like. | ||
| And she realized that she got caught with her hand in the cookie jar. | ||
| And so then she ridiculously went and testified To the court when this issue was brought forward and said, oh, you know, there's no problem. | ||
| There's no conflict of interest because I just paid him back in cash. | ||
| Magically, she has no receipts. | ||
| She has a ridiculous story that she was always taught to have thousands and thousands of dollars of cash on hand. | ||
| And if you look at her economic fortunes, it's really hard to understand how that could be true. | ||
| And if it is true, then she's got problems in terms of where's this money coming from. | ||
| So the judge, the trial judge in the case, Scott McAfee, he had decided that there was an appearance of a conflict But that both Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade, her boyfriend, who was the special prosecutor who had never prosecuted a criminal case before, and certainly not one of the complexity that she brought here. | ||
| I think others drafted it for her and she put it forward. | ||
| Both of them did not have to go off the case. | ||
| Just one of them had to take themselves off the case. | ||
| And of course, since she's the elected official, a constitutional official actually under the Georgia Constitution, Of course, it's obvious that she would not be the one to go. | ||
| It would be her underling, her boyfriend, Nathan Waite. | ||
| So he took himself off the case. | ||
| And then nine of us, including President Trump and me and several others, took an appeal up to the Court of Appeals. | ||
| Today, the Court of Appeals ruled. | ||
| And they decided that there was an appearance of a conflict of interest for Fannie Willis as well. | ||
| And so even though it's rare that an appearance of a conflict would require disqualifying A district attorney that the only way the public could keep confidence in this case would be if she were disqualified. | ||
| So they ordered her off the case, which is a stunning turn of fate for her and slap in the face. | ||
| They were vetting her all over Washington and all over the country. | ||
| She was speaking, giving awards, and now it's been shown that she's assailing the ethics of many federal officials like Mark Meadows and Donald J. Trump and myself and the alternate electors in Georgia. | ||
| But she's the one with the serious ethics problem, Steve. | ||
| Yeah, when you say off the case, her entire office is off the case, correct? | ||
| Is it just her personally or the entire office? | ||
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That's correct. | |
| Because that's the way ethics law works, Steve. | ||
| If you're at the top of a pyramid of some kind of government body of lawyers, and you're essentially thrown off or you're held to have a conflict, that conflict imputes downward to everybody. | ||
| It's a similar kind of thing even with private practice. | ||
| If there's a partner in a firm and that partner has a conflict of interest, unless you can kind of wall them off, their conflict is imputed to their partner. | ||
| So the whole office is gone, and what would happen now under Georgia law, strange system, there's a prosecutor's counsel, and the prosecutor's counsel will have to decide which new district attorney to assign this case to, and that could take a very long time. | ||
| I think that this decision sounds the death knell of this case. | ||
| Knock on wood. | ||
| But they did not go so far as to dismiss the case entirely. | ||
| But could the Attorney General of the state of Georgia step in? | ||
| And I tell you what, Jeff, just hang on for one second. | ||
| We're going to take a short break. | ||
| We've got breaking news on Norm Eisen and Liz Cheney. | ||
| We're going to get to that. | ||
| Of course, there's a firestorm on Capitol Hill. | ||
| We happen to be here at AmFest today with a kickoff of AmFest in 2024 to wrap the year up. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to be back in the war on Birchgold.com. | ||
| With the debt ceiling and the bond market and all of it, maybe it's time to go talk to Philip Patrick and the team. | ||
| Or text Bannon at 989898. Get all the free information back in the war room in a moment. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Okay, we're live at AmFest. | ||
| We had a whole kind of series show we were going to do here live. | ||
| Warren Posse's starting to come in as the security's checking people through. | ||
| We're going to be live. | ||
| We're going to be in the audience talking to the Posse and to the cadre of what they're thinking is a huge year they've had and this great comeback. | ||
| But there's a lot of things going on. | ||
| Number one, there is a major meltdown on Capitol Hill. | ||
| Of course, The war room is like, hey, shut it down. | ||
| You know, President Trump will be there on the 20th and he'll figure it out. | ||
| Of course, President Trump has added a little bit of drama by talking about the debt ceiling. | ||
| And that's a whole thing in and of itself, as folks know. | ||
| It's the reason Kevin McCarthy's on the beach right now, right, enjoying an early retirement. | ||
| We'll get on to that because Capitol Hill is kind of where the action is. | ||
| But there's also action in Atlanta, Georgia. | ||
| I've got Jeff Clarke. | ||
| Jeff, I just want to make sure I understand this. | ||
| The reason she was removed is because of her incompetence and the way she handled herself and comported herself and not really having a prosecutor on top as a boyfriend? | ||
| Or is it because of the money and where the money went? | ||
| Because I remember our audience, we covered live with, I think, McAfee's courtroom. | ||
| And Fannie Willis' testimony and talking about the $10,000 her dad had always told her to keep cash at hand. | ||
| And, you know, being a southerner, that's, you know, you're told that early on. | ||
| I don't know if it's $10,000, but always keep cash, maybe a little gold in the backyard and a couple of working guns in case things go sideways. | ||
| So is it because of the case? | ||
| In this over-the-top charges she charged President Trump with, or is it because of her behavior in these other things about having a boyfriend there, the cash, all these trips? | ||
| Because the hearing, to me, kind of got off track. | ||
| It was very salacious, and I just want to know if that's why they turfed her out, sir. | ||
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Well, Steve, I've not digested. | |
| I think it's a 31-pager yet. | ||
| I was kind of caught in transit to my office when this happened, and then you guys have grabbed me to come on, so I've looked at the bottom line. | ||
| So I'd have to come back to report on exactly what the rationale is. | ||
| But based on the legal principle that I see, it's got to be based primarily on this relationship and the fact that You know, that there are all kinds of financial things going on that are not seemly for a prosecutor to have. | ||
| And the public, therefore, can't have confidence in her being an unbiased prosecutor. | ||
| And there are all kinds of reasons why she appeared to be an unbiased, not an unbiased prosecutor. | ||
| In other words, a biased prosecutor. | ||
| And, you know, they realized that Georgia was becoming the national laughingstock because of this case. | ||
| And they said that in order to maintain the public's confidence that they had to take her off of it. | ||
| That's, I think, the heart of it, but I'm going to have to get into the details once I have the chance to read the 31 pages. | ||
| I tell you, Jeff, if you do that, and we're going to try to get Mike Davis, I'd love to come back and talk about this, because we've been, you know, obviously President Trump supporters have been outraged about this from the very beginning, and people like yourselves and Mike Roman are running up huge legal fees, which is unacceptable. | ||
| And I think the big question, we're going to get into Liz Cheney and Norm Eisen and that crowd, they're now asking for not just blanket pardons, I think they're asking for amnesty, as Natalie's going to walk us through. | ||
| You know, the hunted are now going to become the hunters. | ||
| And I think people are particularly upset about how Georgia was handled. | ||
| Folks, you don't understand, still Arizona, the state we're in, I think Wisconsin. | ||
| I believe Mike Roman and folks just got arraigned a couple of days ago in Wisconsin. | ||
| Folks, this stuff is still going on. | ||
| And these people are still running up huge legal bills. | ||
| I mean, they're trying to put Clark in bankruptcy, Mike Roman in bankruptcy, Rudy in bankruptcy. | ||
| And this is lawfare. | ||
| And now it's coming our way. | ||
| So, Jeff, why don't you... | ||
| If you get a chance to review it, as soon as you let us know, we'll get you back up. | ||
| How's that sound? | ||
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That's great. | |
| Let me just say two quick things before I go, Steve, and to ask the War Room Posse's help in prayers. | ||
| First is, Under the Georgia Constitution, the governor clearly has the power to send the AG into this case and to get rid of it. | ||
| It's a farce, and he should do that. | ||
| And the AG also had a power, because Mark Meadows and I removed this case, to inject himself into it. | ||
| And so far, the two of them, you know, two high constitutional officials in Georgia have tried to stay out of it. | ||
| But they've got to end this thing now, and I would call on them publicly to do so. | ||
| And the second thing is, you know, coincidentally, as things would have it, Today at 2 p.m., the D.C. Bar prosecutor is getting his argument against me in front of the nine-member D.C. Board on Professional Responsibility to try to strip me of my license. | ||
| And it's part of the entire lawfare strategy, as you've designed, as you've described. | ||
| And I would ask for the War Room Posse's prayers for my success in that proceeding, which, again, starts in D.C. It'll be on YouTube at 2 p.m. | ||
| today, Steve. | ||
| Hold on, this will be live, the proceeding will be on YouTube live at 2 p.m.? | ||
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That's correct, Steve. | |
| Okay, so with Grace Chong, we will stream that here on all the War Room channels and maybe even have some commentary on that. | ||
| Also, Jeff, this is what I want you to tell me. | ||
| We will get Governor Kemp and the Attorney General's numbers up until the War of Posse can call and maybe give your, you know, thoughts this morning. | ||
| Since Capitol Hill is in meltdown, maybe we focus on Georgia and talk about the Georgia Attorney General stepping in the middle of this fiasco. | ||
| This is what I said, you know, I don't know, a year or so ago when they had, when McAfee had the trial and finally was there, I said, this is a humiliation for the folks in Georgia. | ||
| Georgia is really kind of a global city. | ||
| It's got international businesses. | ||
| It held the Olympics. | ||
| You know, it's got the busiest airport. | ||
| And kind of point of contact in the United States. | ||
| This is a humiliation for the great folks in Georgia. | ||
| And now the appellate court, this thing's got to be brought to a conclusion because it's just you're embarrassing yourself. | ||
| She's an embarrassment. | ||
| The people around her are embarrassed. | ||
| And now the appellate court has said they're all off the case. | ||
| Jeff Clark, give your social media, Jeff, so we can follow you today, 2 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Jeff Clark will be proceeding in D.C. Bar, another part of the law fair, to take one of the smartest guys we know in all legal and somebody that is being looked at, weighed and measured right now for a senior position in the Trump administration. | ||
| It's more outrage. | ||
| And by the way, that's all coming to an end in, what, 31 days, but we have to go through it, Jeff. | ||
| So what's your social media? | ||
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Thanks, Steve. | |
| My social media is JeffClarkUS on Getter and Accident, RealJeffClark on Truth Social, and you can follow the work of the Center for Renewing America at americarenewing.com. | ||
| Jeff Clark, honored to have you on here. | ||
| Another great Russ Vogt, Mark Paoletta, the entire team over there at CRA. Okay, Natalie's up riding shotgun again. | ||
| Let's go ahead. | ||
| Real quick, the number to call the Governor of Georgia is 404-656-1776. | ||
| And that's Governor Kemp. | ||
| Brian Kemp. | ||
| Give that number again, and I want to get it, if we can get it on the Chiron here at Denver shortly. | ||
| 404-656-1776. | ||
| I had a lot more fun reading the other statement before that number. | ||
| So Warren Posse, if you take a couple of minutes, let's call Governor Kemp's office. | ||
| And give them our unexpurgated opinion and say, look, this thing's got to be put to bed. | ||
| This is an embarrassment for the great state of Georgia. | ||
| It's time to move on from Fonny Willis and that group of clowns, embarrassing clowns. | ||
| I think clowns is too nice. | ||
| Yeah, I think clowns is too nice. | ||
| It's mean to clowns. | ||
| Clown posse. | ||
| Let's go ahead. | ||
| On this front, and I want to say, how do I say this? | ||
| Here's how I'll say it. | ||
| The Financial Times, I don't know if we have the photo, so the Financial Times of London, my favorite paper, I don't have my copy with me today. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| I'm in Phoenix and they don't actually print the financial, the physical copy of the Financial Times of London. | ||
| Phoenix, yo, if you want to be a world-class city and you're doing, you're getting chips, you're growing, Phoenix is fantastic, you got to print the FT. So the FT today is And I think it's for the first time in their history, and they've been around quite a while, named President Trump Man of the Year for the second time. | ||
| And what I'm told by, I think, editors of the FT is that they've never named anybody Man of the Year twice. | ||
| President Trump's got it. | ||
| We'll try to get it up and show you what... | ||
| But in there, I say, hey, look... | ||
| Part of the work that has to be done is to set things right on this lawfare that was done over the last couple of years, right? | ||
| And you see with the Fannie Willis situation. | ||
| We're not doing it for ourselves. | ||
| We're doing it because it can never be allowed to happen again. | ||
| And if you don't stop it, it's going to continue and continue. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| President Trump. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Is that magnificent? | ||
| Financial Times of London, President Donald J. Trump as the man of the year for the second time. | ||
| Just fantastic. | ||
| Now, in this, I say that, look, you know, this is a logical progression. | ||
| He's got all this other stuff. | ||
| The wars, the deportations, the border, the financial situation, the bond market, the economy. | ||
| He's got all this. | ||
| But in addition, we've got to not just deconstruct the administrative state. | ||
| There are going to be, with cash and other people, logical investigations, totally open, totally... | ||
| And some of the people around President Trump disagree with that. | ||
| They say, look, retribution will be his... | ||
| You know, of the economy, of course that's going to be it. | ||
| There's no question about that. | ||
| That's his main line of work. | ||
| But also, there's going to be some investigations. | ||
| It just has to be. | ||
| Norm Eisen is at less than three minutes and 30 seconds. | ||
| Let's go and play the Norm Eisen cold open, and we're getting Natalie on here. | ||
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Should President Biden, Norm, pardon Liz Cheney and other possible Trump targets before he leaves office on January 20th? | |
| Well, part of the Our legal baselessness here is that Liz Cheney enjoys speech and debate protection under the Constitution. | ||
| She has legal protections. | ||
| Other members of Congress, prosecutors, have different legal immunities. | ||
| But there should, in my view, be serious whiteout consideration of protective pardons. | ||
| I would call it amnesty. | ||
| It's happened a lot in American history. | ||
| Many presidents categorically saying we should have an amnesty for witnesses. | ||
| The Michael Cohens and the Cassidy Hutchinsons of the world, they are the most at risk. | ||
| We're back live. | ||
| I'm checking up here. | ||
| Okay, tell me what just went down there because we've heard about blanket preemptive pardons. | ||
| Norm Eisen's taking it up a level. | ||
| That's so last week. | ||
| We've moved on to full-blown amnesty. | ||
| And like we were talking about yesterday, this isn't something that's just hidden in some brief or some document. | ||
| This is straight up being said on primetime CNN. And so I think the point that you were Is her mic working and going out everywhere? | ||
| It is? | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| It's a normized and special. | ||
| No, I want to go back to amnesty for a second because we had this about Fauci and the crowd. | ||
| We've been down this road before. | ||
| I remember it was the Atlantic. | ||
| The Atlantic. | ||
| Let's go back in time. | ||
| The first idea was about amnesty for what? | ||
| Well, I would even go back further to the gang of eight, the whole immigration reform. | ||
| Anytime you hear amnesty, it's always a sinister, manacious setting, but I think it's gotten progressively worse. | ||
| Then, of course, you saw the calls for pandemic amnesty coming from the Atlantic, what was it, a few years ago that obviously caused, you know, furor and rage among our side. | ||
| But I think, in effect, that's not- And they backed off. | ||
| But to some extent, they did get pandemic amnesty. | ||
| I don't see Anthony Fauci in prison, right? | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| That is the next phase, but you're correct. | ||
| And always when they're nervous about something, when they're nervous about what their actions have, because Fauci, as you know, all the issues that we have with Fauci, when they're really nervous, they ratchet up and say, I just don't need a pardon. | ||
| We need amnesty for everybody. | ||
| Well, I think it's the analytical framing of it, too, because when you couch it as amnesty as opposed to pardons, I think there's less of an implicit connotation of guilt, right? | ||
| They need amnesty because they were standing in the breach for their beloved democracy. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And I think it's worth noting, too, obviously we're talking about what's going on at the Hill right now with all things, you know, CR and debt ceiling. | ||
| But right now, Senate Democrats are working to vote on judges, right? | ||
| They're not sleeping. | ||
| They're not stopping. | ||
| And we can get into it in the next break. | ||
| But Norm Eisen has huge glowing profile pieces from NBC News, The New York Times. | ||
| They're launching a whole entire network, not just to combat the lawfare vertical, They want accountants, psychologists, PR and branding experts for people who are going to have their reputations tarred and feathered by this show, by President Donald Trump. | ||
| So this is a full-scale operation. | ||
| Lawfare is part of it, but I think it's also kinetic, it's media, it's psychological, it's biological. | ||
| Look no further than COVID. Unbelievable. | ||
| Okay, a short commercial break. | ||
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The idea that broke the world. | |
| It'll be available, I think, this afternoon or tomorrow. | ||
| Printing it out right now. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're here in Phoenix, Arizona at the AmFest Conference. | ||
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We rejoice when there's no more. | |
| Let's take down the CCP. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. . . | |
| A still point in a turning world. | ||
| That is the war room for our audience. | ||
| Listen, obviously turbulence is going to be ahead of us. | ||
| Word has it now there may be a conference this afternoon, a Republican conference up on Capitol Hill. | ||
| They're talking about potentially the floating idea of a two-year Maybe a two-year CR that includes up to, excuse me, a two-year relief on debt ceiling and coupled with the farm, the $10 billion for the farm, maybe $100 billion for FEMA for the relief of the hurricane. | ||
| One or two other things that would be short and tight. | ||
| Don't know if that can pass, but they're talking about having a conference meeting to try to run the flagpole. | ||
| They're running the numbers right now. | ||
| Also, Marjorie Taylor Greene's out with the idea of Elon Musk. | ||
| Maybe being Speaker of the House. | ||
| I think we've got to check Constitution because he's second in line in succession for the presidency, and he's not a natural-born citizen. | ||
| They don't need to be a natural-born citizen to be in the House or to be Speaker. | ||
| There's no requirement there, but I think the situation within the line... | ||
| We're going to check it all out. | ||
| We've got Mike Davis and a lot of other folks looking at that right now. | ||
| So a lot of stuff going on. | ||
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| Natalie Dominguez and the team over there. | ||
| Okay, we've got more update on Norm Eisen and Amnesty. | ||
| They are absolutely petrified about having the J6 committees. | ||
| Benny Thompson's on TV asking for a blanket preemptive pardon. | ||
| You know, I was told by Adam Kinzinger that people who ask for pardons, they only ask when they're guilty. | ||
| And he actually said that to Benny Thompson's face. | ||
| But I think you can sort of link how you're seeing them being the mainstream media Democrats' message on the CR with sort of their broader effort to, of course, smear Trump, smear MAGA as dictatorial, right, as an authoritarian, which, of course, plays into Norm Eisen's democracy playbook, the idea that to depose President Trump, you have to smear him. | ||
| As an autocrat. | ||
| Now what do I mean by that? | ||
| If you remember, right, when we were deposing Kevin McCarthy, MSNBC every morning was hammering us for chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos. | ||
| If you watch MSNBC this morning, the framing that they're going with, it has a distinction and a difference. | ||
| They're singling out Elon and President Trump as being the two people who nuked the CR. Yes. | ||
| When in reality it was our audience. | ||
| We'll take a round of applause for that. | ||
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Yes. | |
| But why are they doing that? | ||
| Because when they walk around with their narratives, right, that President Trump has power to nuke this bill, President Trump has power to – he has that power because he derives it from the vote, the mandate, the will of the American people, right? | ||
| So they purposely try to draw that distinction and draw that line to sort of, I think, neuter and nullify his authorities since they can actually impeach him. | ||
| So then when you see the other side of the coin, like we were talking last night, late-breaking on Axios that Senate Democrats and Republicans are already working on, another B-word we don't like, a bipartisan border deal – That's always a bad sign. | ||
| But I think it's the same analytical framing, much like the amnesty, much like the retribution, even frankly, the way they framed the trade war with China. | ||
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Right? | |
| We're not declaring a trade war on them. | ||
| They declared war on us. | ||
| It's all about the framing of it. | ||
| So now there's a new story. | ||
| Up in NBC, there was a New York Times profile on Norm Eisen yesterday talking about how he's already filed 16 FOIA requests against Doge. | ||
| I think that might be sort of a fool's errand, but I digress. | ||
| But this story was anti-Trump forces build a network to aid potential political targets of the incoming administration. | ||
| Anti-Trump forces. | ||
| Lawyers and pro-democracy advocates are in the early stages of building a nationwide network of specialists aimed at defending and protecting people who may be targeted for retribution once President-elect Donald Trump takes office. | ||
| It says it goes way beyond legal assistance. | ||
| Like I said, psychologists, accountants, public relations professionals. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Sigh up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's my point. | ||
| And it all goes back. | ||
| I think it's really key how they're messaging on the CR. President Trump can nuke a bill because he won and because the American people support him and they're the ones making the calls, but they have to sort of frame this whole thing as dictator Trump. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Any chaos really comes from, too, is from the speaker and not reading people in. | ||
| I mean, the key part here is that this has to be a close-run thing, as the Brits say, and that means everybody organized. | ||
| You've got Treasury, you've got OMB, Doge as consultants for OMB. And we're talking about the appropriations process. | ||
| You've got 12 bills. | ||
| You have to let Dozier in there to start making their cuts now. | ||
| You can't pass the appropriations. | ||
| You can't pass the budget for next year to then have Dozier immediately come in and say, well, you've got a trillion dollars of waste for an abuse. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| But you've also got the debt ceiling. | ||
| So there's a lot of things you're going to have to weave together. | ||
| That has to be closely coordinated. | ||
| To know that Speaker Johnson, particularly as he's growing out, he's up at the UFC fight. | ||
| He's on the plane to the Army-Navy game. | ||
| He's in the box for four hours with President Trump. | ||
| And my concern was he's going to try to talk him into one reconciliation bill because he's got the reconciliation. | ||
| And this is why we have to do the border reconciliation right out of the box. | ||
| It should be in the President's desk by the 20th because, you see, it leaked by Axios last night, and they wanted it leaked. | ||
| The Senate moderates right now are going to give you another horrible, compromised border bill when, hey, here's all we've got to do. | ||
| President Trump says 15 million are going home, 15 million are going home. | ||
| Now we're going to start with the criminals and you're going to start with that process, but You know, you don't need other cooks in the kitchen. | ||
| What you've got here with Johnson is, you know, Johnson's just not up to the task. | ||
| And the staff around him. | ||
| Anybody that thought it was good of what they were doing, anybody particularly thought it was good to give a pay raise. | ||
| That pay raise from $173,000 to $243,000. | ||
| And I'm not saying they haven't had a cola in a while, but now's not the time. | ||
| And if you're going to do that, you have to socialize that with the American people. | ||
| You can't play hide the football. | ||
| No mention of that. | ||
| It was buried in like, I don't know, page 900 of a 1,500-page bill. | ||
| We need transparency. | ||
| We need an open and frank discussion and really bring the American people into this debate. | ||
| I can tell you one thing, the war room posse. | ||
| Now they're just down for a fight, but they're down to make sure they back President Trump in this fight. | ||
| And that's what we've got to organize. | ||
| That's where we're here at AmFest. | ||
| Later today, Don Jr. is going to speak. | ||
| Tucker Carlson is going to speak. | ||
| You think Speaker Johnson is going to make his speech? | ||
| Speaker Johnson is supposed to be here, I think, on Saturday. | ||
| Was it Saturday? | ||
| Friday or Saturday? | ||
| We'll have to see. | ||
| I think he's going to be kind of tied up. | ||
| President's coming out, though. | ||
| I think President's speech now, it's either Saturday or Sunday. | ||
| I think it may be moving around a little bit. | ||
| War Room Posse, people are starting to come in here as the gates open. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Mike Davis is going to join us on his favorite topic, Fannie Willis. | ||
| And the boyfriend. | ||
| I think that's the topic he likes more. | ||
| Nathan, wait for Nathan. | ||
| Short commercial break. |
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