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Episode 4114: Social Media Praises CEO Assassin; Daniel Penny Found Not Guilty
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people.
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The people have had a belly full of it.
steve bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
It's also the case that he says that Liz Cheney and the members of the January 6th committee in some way destroyed evidence.
That's been debunked.
That's not true, but he's using that as a predicate to argue that they should somehow be put behind bars.
And I think that this suggests for all of those who want to believe that Donald Trump is somehow going to be a kinder, gentler version of himself, that the talk of retribution during the campaign was just so much bluster, you know, that's just not the way it looks like.
Now, he's putting in Kash Patel at the FBI if he's confirmed by the Senate.
Kash Patel's been very clear.
He's planning to come after.
That's his phrase.
Come after those that he believes have been unfair in some way to Donald Trump.
You had two highly unusual things.
First of all, The mainstream media told the American people repeatedly that the biggest issue was Hillary's emails.
That's what they said, not just Fox.
When in fact, even the Trump state department said she neither sent nor received a single solitary Email, on her personal advice, more classified, one.
And two, she followed the rules as they then existed.
The rules were changed after she left office.
And yet the whole story was written as if she had done something hideous.
And James Comey made it worse.
joe scarborough
In his July press conference where he came out, said she wasn't indicted, but for the first time decided he was going to pontificate about what he thought.
unidentified
And he said she was careless.
And I told the story in the book about how When President Obama called to tell me that bin Laden had been killed in this successful raid, he said, we did it.
And I said, did what?
He said, we got bin Laden.
Hillary didn't tell you?
And I laughed.
I said, now, Mr. President, you told your people not to tell anybody, didn't you?
He said, yeah, but I said, she didn't tell anybody.
Right.
I mean, Hillary's a sort of down-the-line person, you know.
So it was ludicrous to the extent to which people went to essentially fabricate a smear on her.
natalie winters
Well, if Bill Clinton says that it must be true, right?
I think history might disagree with me there.
You're in the War Room today, Monday, December 9th.
In the year of our Lord 2024, it's Natalie G. Winters coming at you live from West Palm Beach, Florida, filling in for the one and only Stephen Kate Bannon.
But as you can imagine, we have an It's an extremely packed show, starting off with what I think we can only describe that last clip to be Bill Clinton's audition for what?
Hillary Clinton's preemptive blanket pardon from none other than Joe Biden?
You almost respect it, making her husband go out and do the audition, begging on his knees for a pardon from Joe Biden.
She was too busy to do it herself, but maybe I guess he wants one too, but I think that that would probably have to go back to 1998, if you're picking up what I'm putting down there.
But let's just take a step back.
We're going to get a lot of clips that I want to play.
We got Mike Benz, Joe Allen, a packed show for you.
But let's just take a moment.
I know we've been hammering these preemptive blanket pardons.
But just think about how far we've come.
What was it in 2016?
These, you know, safe spaces that all these triggered libs needed, where they needed their, you know, cozy blankets to make themselves feel secure because they heard, what, hate speech?
And now they want preemptive blanket pardons.
How's that for a shift of, what, 10 years?
And it's all because of you guys, this audience, moving the needle forward, keeping your shoulder to the wheel, bringing about, well, a little word that I like to say is called accountability.
I know there might be some definitional struggles on Capitol Hill, especially among Republicans as to what that means, evidence Trey Gowdy.
But you can certainly sense that they're feeling the fear, the fire, A forthcoming president, Donald J. Trump.
But I think it's important to contextualize these preemptive blanket pardons.
And what do I mean by that?
Because I think this show has sort of been living in the moment, real time.
Of this life cycle of what I think the mainstream media would call a conspiracy theory.
What do I mean by that?
Something that, well, inevitably, at first, they say, oh, it's never happening, it's not true, you're crazy, we're gonna censor you, debank you, deplatform you.
Then, when we produce enough receipts, they say, okay, well, it is happening, but it's sort of a limited hangout, it's not really happening all that badly.
And then what?
About six months later, they come and say, oh, well, you were right.
It was happening all along, but we're going to change the matrix through which we view this by, so it's actually good for the American people.
And that's not just conjecture.
Let's play that through, right?
With the origins of COVID, right?
At first it was, oh, COVID developed in a lab.
Then it became, oh, Anthony Fauci, the United States government, they could have played no role in intimately creating COVID-19.
Then it became, oops.
Well, we did, and gain-of-function research is imperative for the survival of this country, right?
Then it was the vaccines.
They started out as being safe and effective, and then it became, oh, well, they never were actually safe and effective.
It was just to make, you know, your experience if you contracted COVID a little bit better, just ameliorate the situation, just a touch.
And then it turned out that, what, it destroyed women's reproductive health and made a lot of people have myocarditis and die suddenly.
Then it was Ukraine, right?
They were winning the war, winning the war, winning the war.
That was what MSNBC told you until they, what, had to do the limited hangout and say, oh, well, actually they're losing.
And then now we're at the point in which, oh, but it doesn't matter.
We have to continue to waste hundreds of billions of dollars in the name of, what, democracy?
And then, right, January 6th was an insurrection.
And then we find out that, what, it was Mark Milley who said, actually, no, we're not going to be responsible for sending the National Guard.
The election was, what, the most safe and secure.
I'd love to have a word with the 10 million voters that we can't seem to find.
Then democracy is their paramount virtue until President Trump wins.
And right, Hunter Biden never committed any crimes.
Joe Biden, what, never collaborated with him on business.
They were talking about, what, the weather?
Well, if you were just talking about the weather, Joe, that's certainly interesting to make your pardon extend all the way back to 2014. Now, I know you're probably sitting there saying, well, Natalie, I am a devoted viewer of the War Room.
I know all of this.
And I say, well, sure.
But what we're seeing right now is that cycle play out in real time with these preemptive blanket pardons, right?
Because we were told for, what, decades, that these people never committed any crimes.
Then we sort of hit the point when they realized Trump was going to win.
Well, okay, maybe they did some stuff that, you know, if you really sent a special counsel after, if you harassed them with the full state and faith and credit of the United States government by hammering their bank accounts, hammering their foreign transactions, all that, yeah, if you follow anyone, you can get them for a crime, right?
Then that became the narrative.
And now what you're starting to hear on MSNBC is these crimes, which, yeah, MSNBC, they're just that.
They're crimes that these people committed.
Well, now they're actually good for the United States and they were standing in the breach and standing up for democracy.
And just like every single thing that I ran through, COVID origins, vaccines, Ukraine, January 6th, the insurrection, Mark Milley, you name it, the list goes on.
This show and this audience and this movement has been proven right.
And that is the power and significance of these preemptive blanket pardons, because it proves and vindicates us, though we don't want to be vindicated on the fact that we are ruled by a group of people, a credentialed class that absolutely detest this country, and probably chant death to America louder than the mullahs in Iran.
But that's the uncomfortable truth and we just got the evidence to prove it.
Clear as day.
Or I guess maybe clear as night is a better term here because that's exactly what they're doing to jam through these pardons.
Working, burning the midnight oil into the wee hours of the night to give coverage to what?
Millie, Fauci, Schiff, you name it.
All these horrible people.
Right?
They say, oh well...
Hunter Biden, we need to give him a pardon because apparently the government went after him because of his last name.
I'm old enough to remember what was it, the hours of airtime that MSNBC wasted telling us that, well, the government has never been weaponized against anyone because of their last name.
No, no, no.
Well, I think the Biden regime just made the case that every time they've gone after Donald Trump, it's been precisely because of his last name.
And when you see, thank God, the verdict today in Daniel Penny's case, right, that he's not guilty, You sort of, it's an interesting juxtaposition with the ruling class, the credentialed class of people that we're talking about, where just because they're not charged doesn't mean they're not guilty.
So Daniel Penny may be not guilty, but the Liz Cheneys of the world, the Adam Schiff's, the Adam Kinzinger's of the world, they're guilty, they're just not charged.
But I think that that's about to change.
And speaking of just about how damn radical these people are, I want to play a quick clip from Bill Clinton on the other side.
We're gonna walk through just the absurdity of it.
Denver, let's roll these two clips.
unidentified
President Clinton's new memoir, Citizen, is available now, and tomorrow we're going to have more from our discussion, including the remarkable work of the Clinton Global Initiative.
And coming up this...
And the same thing's true all around the world.
Look at this upheaval is happening.
People are losing faith in institutions, and in many, many places, they're going to reward the people that destroyed their faith.
natalie winters
I really hope Morning Joe conducts a wonderful interview on all the great work that the Clinton Foundation has done across the world.
They should maybe start with Haiti.
I don't know.
I think the Haitians would probably like a word with you.
And lucky for Morning Joe, you could probably just go to Springfield and interview all the Haitians there because what they've taken over that town.
But on a more substantive note, you guys know that this show has really been hammering the idea that the left, the Democrats have become the defenders of the institutions.
And you see Bill Clinton saying no less right there.
And he supports it.
He likes the idea that the Democratic Party is defending these institutions.
But I think the question becomes, well, what institutions exactly are you defending?
And I wish that you would defend the American people and our sovereignty.
With what?
The same level that you defend criminal illegal aliens?
And that's actually not that far of a cry.
I want Denver to put up this article on screen from The Nation.
With one of the most ridiculous headlines I've ever seen, President Biden should issue a blanket pardon.
Of undocumented immigrants.
And you might say, oh, well, that's just in the pages of The Nation.
Who gives a crap?
Whatever.
Well, yes and no, because you know what?
There are a bunch of activists from a bunch of, you guessed it, Soros-funded Open Society Foundation-linked groups spending the weekend lobbying and protesting out in California trying to get Gavin Newsom, their first demand, quote, must pardon illegal aliens with criminal convictions to protect them from deportation.
unidentified
I mean, let that sink in.
natalie winters
And the best part is that those groups that have been protesting, they're part of an organization called Detention Watch Network, which like I said, is not just funded by George Soros, but it's actually intimately and intricately linked to the Southern Poverty Law Center and the American Civil Liberties Union.
Yeah, what, the same groups that have been behind, what, every hate crime hoax, every pro-mask mandate, vaccine mandate, behind, what, transgenderism in all of your children's schools?
Interesting.
Interesting thread to pull there, right?
But remember, the ACLU is the tip of the spear, the leading voice in all things Resistance 2.0.
Or as Mark Elias likes to coin it, now it's the opposition.
And they're linked to a group that is actively calling for President Biden to not just give out pardons to people that you hate, like Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff and Adam Kinzinger and everyone that Kash Patel has outlined, but now to criminal illegal aliens.
Gang members that have killed Americans.
They think Joe Biden should pardon them.
Although I guess maybe to their credit, The Chinese probably have more blood on their hands than most criminal illegal aliens who are in this country, so I guess if you want to duke that up, that's maybe an interesting conversation to have.
But that's what we're up against.
A regime that is working overtime to create, not just utilize the CVP1 app, but to create more apps in late December so they can process more illegal aliens into this country.
So it's harder for President Trump to deport criminal illegal aliens.
The same ACLU that's suing so they can get access ahead of time to President Trump's mass deportation plans.
So they can what?
Provide cover to criminal convicted illegal aliens so they can avoid deportation.
There's something quite sick and twisted of that type of lobbying and activism coming out of a group called the American Civil Liberties Union.
Because apparently in the perverted Soros DA world of justice and the founding of this country, your civil liberty is that your country gets to be overtaken and overrun by criminal migrants from backwards countries that hate your guts.
And by the way, if you try to stand up to it, you're going to get smeared as a racist.
And in the case of Daniel Penny, you're going to get put on trial for self-defense.
That's the new resistance.
That's the newest Mark Elias terms at opposition.
And that's why the War Room is and always has been one of the most important places to be to push back because you guys are tried, true, and tested and holding the line.
We've got a packed show.
Mike Benz coming up right after this.
unidentified
This morning in Altoona, Pennsylvania, members of the Altoona Police Department arrested Luigi Mangione, a 26-year-old male, on firearms charges.
At this time, he is believed to be our person of interest in the brazen, targeted murder of Brian Thompson, CEO of UnitedHealthcare, last Wednesday in Midtown Manhattan.
Officers recovered a handwritten document that speaks to both his motivation and mindset.
Well, he was railing against the health care industry, which, of course, fits into the scenario here.
He talks about how these parasites had it coming.
He starts off basically saying, I don't want to cause any trauma, but it had to be done.
natalie winters
You're back in the war room.
Obviously, so much breaking news coming out of New York, or in this case, Pennsylvania, with UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting.
They've identified Luigi Mangione, as you heard.
I think their prime suspect.
But I wanted to bring on, before we get to Mike Benz, real quick, Joe Allen to sort of Give us the breakdown.
I think the guy's Twitter or X page is still available.
A lot of interesting takes, ties to AI and interesting stuff.
Can you sort of walk the audience through who this individual is and just more on a meta level, the significance of everything unfolding?
joe allen
Yes, Natalie, as you heard there, the alleged shooter has been apprehended, we are told.
I tell you, as I look into the story and scroll through his still available X page, it's as if...
Someone is writing a story for me to cover.
The connections to artificial intelligence, a kind of Luddite and Ted Kaczynski-style attitude towards technology, all of these sorts of things are wrapped up in it.
It's still not clear exactly what the actual facts are, but as you heard there, the shooter was apprehended in a McDonald's after a worker supposedly identified him and called the police.
They found They say a pistol and a silencer and a two-page note, which you heard some bits from there about the so-called parasites in insurance.
So what I think is maybe the most important from my own perspective is that the coverage around this is building up a character that is going to be made a hero by some, made a villain by others.
But this guy, let's just assume that the surface level facts are valid and worth going off of.
This guy is the sort of individual that someone like me finds entirely too familiar in his interests.
Evolutionary psychology, the mismatch between human nature and a new technological environment, more mimetic views on religion, especially Christianity, and then of course just the wider sort of tech-bro-sphere Of psychedelics and Joe Rogan and Tucker and Huberman Labs and all this sort of stuff.
So what I'm seeing here, let's just assume that the surface level facts are true and that this guy just went haywire and attacked an insurance CEO based on either some sort of trauma he had recently experienced.
If you go to if you look at his Twitter page, you can see an X-ray with pins in his spine.
According to some of the people who claim to know him on Twitter, they say that he had recently had a back surgery and after that completely lost it and disappeared from the radar.
And for the last year has been out of contact with his family and friends.
Let's assume all that's true.
Okay, fine.
We've seen this a million times, right?
You see it all the time in shooters that they have these personal quirks that they want to show to the public.
They have a motive that oftentimes resonates with wider social concerns.
That's all very normal.
In this particular case, I think that the two dangers that are most imminent in this situation are, number one, the possibility of a copycat, the person who sees all of this celebration around a shooting, who decides to imitate it.
We're multiple people on down the road who decide to imitate it.
That's just a kind of natural outcome of widespread media coverage and in this case celebration.
Another thing, though, that I think is really important to remember is that Say, in the case of the Charleston shooting, in which the killer—I believe this was in 2013 or 2014, 2012—but in the case of the Charleston shooter, the killer was tied to a manifesto that was then used to demonize certain groups of people, you know, the so-called race realists.
And you see it in the case of black shooters, black mass shooters who have voiced some sort of grievance on the basis of race, then used by conservatives to say, look, identity politics has done this.
In this case, I think we can assume that a lot of people are going to tie this murder to Luddite sentiments, or at least techno skepticism.
And I think that the more we can do to recover valid critiques of the system from this horrific shooting, the better off we are and not allow the media or other operatives to tie any kind of technoskepticism or skepticism against the wider transformation we're seeing to the prospect of violence.
natalie winters
Joe Allen, if people want to stay up to date, obviously, like I said, this story is very emergent and developing.
Where can people go to do that in the meantime?
joe allen
You can follow me on social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z. My writings at Jobot.X-Y-Z. And of course, signed copies of Dark Aeon at J-O-E-B-O-T.X-Y-Z. Thank you very much, Natalie.
natalie winters
Of course, thank you for coming on the show.
As always, we'll have you back on soon.
My humble take on the whole shooting, you know, this show always focuses on sort of the battle, the duking it out of left-wing populism versus right-wing populism.
And I think in some ways, to me, this shooting represents the sort of inevitable culmination of the far left fringes are sort of allowed to, I think, continue their legacy and just sort of the acceleration of their movement.
Because when you see these people celebrating the murder of, you know, obviously a man that has a checkered past with his company but nonetheless a man who, you know, God created, it's frankly, it's rooted in a lack of religion and spirituality and morality and I think that that's one of the tenets of left-wing populism where frankly I think right-wing populism,
the MAGA movement, We'll always trump left-wing populism and, of course, the fact that we can actually dabble in immigration and restrictions on immigration there, too, tied up in their identitarian and weird idea that America's stolen land, so I guess it's hard to deport people if you don't think that America is your country to begin with.
But all that aside, I'm sure we'll be getting into so much of those discussions as the days move on.
We have Mike Benz.
Mike, I just want to read how Politico It's phrasing what's going on in Romania.
We'll get into the shooting, or if you want to tee off on that a little bit, you can.
But I think the way they're framing it might give our audience a little bit of PTSD. Romania's top constitutional court has annulled the country's presidential election after security services warned the vote had been distorted by a mass Russian influence campaign to favor a far-right candidate.
Your thoughts, Mike Benz.
Unpack it for us.
mike benz
Well, what's happening here is NATO fears that if the Russia neutral party, which just won the election in Romania, takes power, that party which campaigned on ending all support for Ukraine in the war against Russia That it would massively cripple NATO's ability to carry out a successful campaign on behalf of Ukraine because Romania is the main weapons transshipment point from all CIA and UK arms that are warehoused in
Pakistan.
There's a major sea bridge, there's a major air bridge that allows US weapons which are warehoused in Pakistan to support initially the Mujahideen in the 1970s and then Al-Qaeda and now ISIS. Serendipitously, this is happening the same week that ISIS just took effective control over Syria.
Actually, they're now the sitting government.
But those arms initially flow from Pakistan, from the south, and then, obviously, Turkey through the north.
But there's this transshipment route from Pakistan to Romania, and Romania into Ukraine.
And if those weapons caches and munitions are stopped because the sitting government in Romania does not want to be hostile to Russia and therefore shuts off the military aid to Ukraine, there goes Ukraine.
So here they are sitting there essentially with their thumbs up their butts trying to think of a reason to cancel the elections so that they can continue their war on Russia.
And so what they've done here is something that was sort of attempted to be done here in the U.S. in 2016. If folks remember, Norm Eisen and the legal hatchet blob team in 2016 tried to get members of Congress to annul the election results on January 6, 2017, by arguing that Russia had interfered on U.S. social media.
Now, they were unsuccessful in that campaign.
I think something like only 13 or 17 members of the House of Representatives were on board with that plan.
But evidently, they pulled that off in Romania.
And my question is, who at the State Department, who at USAID, who at the National Endowment for Democracy leaned on the Remedian Court to make this happen?
natalie winters
Mike, if you can hang with us.
We've got a short break.
I want to get your thoughts on all things Syria, too.
And, of course, the shooter.
There's a bit of an interesting thing that I'm sure the audience would love to hear your thoughts on.
But Warren Posse, in the meantime, you guys can be checking out birchgold.com slash Bannon.
Give Philip, Patrick, and the team a call.
You know, they always love to hear from you guys.
I always love when we do the live events, like AmpFest, which is coming up.
There are people who bring copies.
Of the end of the dollar empire.
And they have Steve and myself sign them.
And I think that that is the definition of Ultra MAGA. So it's birchgold.com slash band.
We got Mike Benz.
Julie Kelly will also be joining us to talk about how, you guessed it, they are still finding a way, maybe they can't do it, the Jack Smith route.
They're using now Democratic members of Congress to basically sue President Trump for, what, mental and physical damages because of January 6th.
The great insurrection.
How about this?
The great hoax.
That's what it was.
It's what it is.
If you guys didn't do anything wrong, then I don't know, why do you guys need preemptive blanket pardons?
I mean, that's what, a lot of qualifiers on pardons, which are sort of bold to begin with, but they're not just preemptive, they're blanketed too.
Quite wild, spanning over a decade.
I don't know about you.
Doesn't really reek of innocence to me.
But then again, these are the people who think that men are women, so I don't really know if they know the English language.
We will be right back after this short break.
Mike Benz, Julie Kelly.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
natalie winters
Well, speaking of rot within the Pentagon, I'm happy to bring you guys the latest from the Pete Hegseth battle up on Capitol Hill in Kash Patel.
Joni Ernst has a new statement out on Pete Hegseth.
Pete committed to completing a full audit of the Pentagon and selecting a senior official who will uphold the roles and value of our servicemen and women and who will prioritize and strengthen my work to prevent sexual assault.
Within the ranks, Senator Cornyn talking about how he had a wonderful meeting with Kash Patel and that he assumes he will be confirmed as the next FBI director.
Lindsey Graham tweeting out his support for Pete Hegseth.
Chuck Grassley on meeting with Kash Patel clearly endorsing and supporting him.
So overall, I would say a good day for what the Avengers, who have been assembled to take down the deep state Speaking of people who take down the deep state, we are still joined by the one and only Mike Benz.
Mike, I want to pivot, since we only got you for a few more minutes, to what is going on in Syria, because you always sort of have the real, actual, non-USAID spin of what's going on there.
I sent the studio a tweet that I hope we have, but if not, I don't know if the studio's going to be able to pull it up, so if you can sort of just give us your thoughts on what's going on there.
mike benz
It's one for the history books.
So basically, ISIS is now fully in control of Syria, completing the wish list items of the Obama administration.
This is basically the first W that the Biden administration has gotten in four years of foreign policy disasters.
It was essentially L after L after L. And then finally, the last month that Biden's in office, he gets one victory on the world stage, and that is installing ISIS as the head of Syria.
So basically, we have been pumping up these al-Qaeda groups and these al-Qaeda spinoff groups as a way to topple Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
There's been this lightning blitzkrieg over the past week.
Where, to many people, this has come as a sort of bolt out of nowhere, because Syria had, backstopped by Russia and Iran, had rebuffed the largest CIA operation in declassified history, something called Operation Timber Sycamore, which was excluding Ukraine, in my opinion.
But it is formally the most expansive CIA regime change operation ever undertaken in U.S. history.
And it failed spectacularly, actually, several years ago.
There's been an effective stalemate, but suddenly ISIS made a huge resurgence and just conquered the entire country.
Now, they've done so through this sort of ISIS rebrand called the HTS.
And what I was asking your producers to put on screen is something that I think will live in Twitter history, in X history.
It should be framed, frankly, in the Louvre or some museum.
This is a tweet from the U.S. Embassy in Syria.
So this is the State Department in Syria in May 2017. And it says, we remain committed to bringing leading al-Qaeda figures in HTS to justice.
And there's a big image saying, stop this terrorist, Mohammed al-Jalani.
Up to a $10 million reward that the State Department was offering for this man's head.
The State Department is now backing this man to rule Syria.
He is the rebel leader of HTS. He is the military leader who is going to play a very senior role now in Syria's new government.
And just seven years ago, under Trump, there was a $10 million bounty on his head because of his role as an ISIS Now, this tweet is still live.
This is why I wanted to make sure we got this live on this segment because I'm fairly confident that the US Embassy is going to take this tweet down because of what a humiliation it is for exposing the US use of ISIS fighters as a cynical cannon fodder faction in order to topple foreign governments.
But the other thing that I find very strange here is the timing of this.
He campaigned on ending ISIS in 2016 and has declared along the campaign trail that he will essentially do a counter-jihad on jihadi forces.
Well, we've got a lot of those in reserve because they're backed, funded, diplomatically supported, and militarily armed and trained by the United States of America.
Our CIA, our USAID camps, our In our diplomatic back channels.
And so I suspect that they fear Trump will wipe out ISIS. And so they've essentially done this last minute Hail Mary to use all these assets before Trump is handed the reins and sees them for what they are and shuts them down.
But it's too late now because they are now the government of Syria now.
natalie winters
It's absolutely wild.
John Bolton was, of course, on CNN saying, well, the upside of this regime change happening is that now maybe we can leak documents on Tulsi and other Republican politicians who are maybe compromised by Russia.
And that's so great.
The way MSNBC tries to couch this transition is they say, well, the new regime isn't interested in retribution.
Trying to dog whistle that I guess President Trump is somehow worse than what a terrorist that we used to shell out 10 million of taxpayer dollars for it.
Mike Benz, I know you've got to bounce.
We'll have to have you back on.
But in the meantime, if people want to follow you, unearthing all the tweets that I'm sure USAID does not want you to be doing, where can they go to see all it?
mike benz
Mike, thank you so much for joining us.
Thanks, Natalie.
natalie winters
Of course, we'll have you back soon.
We are now joined by the one and only Julie Kelly.
I think maybe as Mike Benz is to USAID, Julie Kelly is the equivalent thorn in the side of the DOJ. Though I guess with the deep state theory of the case, they, what, all merge together?
It's all one?
Well, We're joined now by Julie Kelly, who has a wonderful new piece up at Real Clear Politics, talking how the January 6th persecution is continuing.
Jack Smith may be out of a job, but that doesn't mean the appetite to get Trump is dissipating in any way, shape, or form.
Julie, can you walk us through the latest in your piece?
julie kelly
Sure, Natalie.
Thanks for having me on.
So, as I explained, despite the fact that President Trump continues to promise To pardon J-6ers, many if not all of them, including his interview over the weekend on Meet the Press with Kirsten Welker, the DOJ, led by D.C. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves, and nearly every single D.C. judge, Natalie, continues to advance January 6th cases.
This includes putting people on trial before D.C. juries.
Three trials were scheduled to start today.
They arrested a man from Florida today for his participation in the events of January 6th.
And, Natalie, even worse, they continue to send people to jail.
What happened last week, absolutely egregious abuse of the judicial system by Judge Royce Lambert, an 81-year-old Reagan appointee who is spending his last day's weeks on Earth Not enjoying his family, but exacting the maximum punishment against Trump supporters.
He sentenced a man, Natalie, convicted of four misdemeanors, sent him to federal prison for a year, and instead of allowing him to report to custody two or three months from now, which is usual practice, Judge Lamberth remanded him into immediate custody Sending him to a federal prison on trespassing misdemeanors a few weeks before Christmas.
Why?
Because he knows if he delayed the sentencing until February or March, this defendant, because it was for misdemeanors, very likely would be pardoned by President Trump and never go to jail.
So Judge Lambert didn't want to take that risk and send him immediately to federal prison.
This is what Bay Sixers have been up against in what I call the legal and judicial circle of hell in that Washington, D.C. federal courthouse.
natalie winters
Well, and to that point, they're coming after him on a lot of different verticals.
There was a piece up in Politico today talking about how the civil litigation against President Trump, particularly cases coming from, I believe it's what, 10 Democrat House members, that that is still continuing.
The lawyers out there giving, you know, the puff chest statement talking, oh, we're not going to be intimidated.
We're not going to surrender.
Can you walk us through that vertical of attack against President Trump, too?
julie kelly
Right.
So there are a few pending civil lawsuits, and this is what Politico was talking about.
There are members of Congress, including Eric Swalwell and others, and a few Capitol Police officers who filed a civil lawsuit against President Trump a few years ago.
And this is seeking damages for being victims of the alleged insurrection.
And Judge Ahmet Mehta has allowed that lawsuit to continue.
Natalie, now we know from OLC, Office of Legal Counsel precedent, both in the Nixon era and the Clinton era, that a president cannot face a civil lawsuit while he's in office, right?
And of course, then we had the guidance by the Supreme Court in the Trump U.S. decision handed down July 1 that talks about the guidance or the immunity test for criminal prosecution.
But this is well known.
Civil lawsuits, the president cannot Faced a civil lawsuit while in office.
So on January 20th, that particular lawsuit will go away.
There's another lawsuit, even worse.
Sandra Garza, the ex-girlfriend of Officer Brian Sicknick, who tragically died the day after January 6th.
It is not related to what happened the day before.
He suffered two strokes from a blood clot near the base of his brain.
Nonetheless, of course, as you know, this lie that he was killed by Trump supporters is It was perpetuated by the media and Democrats and Joe Biden and Merrick Garland, etc.
His ex-girlfriend, who had been broken up for six months on January 6th, has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Donald Trump and the two men who were framed in the assault on Biden's sickness.
$10 million each.
That lawsuit is also advancing.
So, I mean, this is what, again, not only J-Fixers, but President Trump and others are facing in Washington.
These judges, and of course Obama appointee Judge Ahmet Neda, refusing to dismiss that lawsuit, even though he knows five weeks from now it will be completely moot based on DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel precedent.
These judges are doing whatever they can, Natalie, to squeeze out The remaining drops of lawfare against the president, his allies, his family, and his supporters, even though part of the defeat of Kamala Harris and the Democrats last month was a repudiation of this very lawfare that they refused to release their talons on and are going to drag this out to the very end.
natalie winters
Julie Kelly, if people want to follow you, the substack, the X, your wonderful RCP articles, where can they go to get all that?
julie kelly
Thanks, Natalie.
You're the best.
Thanks for having me on.
So my big piece today, with all what the judges are saying and denying any relief for J6ers right now, that's at Real Clear Investigations.
My substack declassified with Julie Kelly.
And also, as you know, spend quite a bit of time on Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly, too.
natalie winters
Thank you so much for joining us.
We will have you back soon.
Doesn't that just make you mad?
The same regime that's working overtime to pardon actual traitors and criminal illegal aliens is also working overtime to make sure that Donald Trump's assent to the presidency is not just made more difficult by what's going on in Ukraine and the southern border and the Fed and all things fiscal and economic policy.
Let's not talk about the trillions in debt and the NDAA that they're trying to jam through.
But they want to make President Trump, when he is sitting there post January 20th, Be pulled to the sidelines to deal with hoax, sham, crisis actor lawsuits in the name of democracy.
So he can what?
Be distracted from having to deal with what?
The fact that we're on the precipice of World War III. All these stupid, stupid Brookings Institution scholars and pseudo-intellectual fellows who sit there and say that we're the idiots and grundoons because we don't understand how foreign policy works and Russia bad, bad, bad.
Oh, China's not that bad because we take money from them, right?
But Russia sucks.
Well, really, if Russia is such a frickin' threat and everything that you guys have done to create this horrible neoliberal world order, this new world order, It's such a threat.
Then why the heck do you want Donald Trump, President Donald J. Trump, to be tied up in litigation in courtrooms?
Or in the case of Norm Eisen, thinks that we should continue to bring the Jack Smith case against him because he doesn't think it's that much of a burden.
These people want the country to be destroyed.
It's the, uh, not the end game, the end America game.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
We need some black vigilantes.
That's right.
People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud?
How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us?
Right.
I'm tired.
natalie winters
Tired.
Yikes.
We are going to get into that with someone who is in New York.
But real quick, I want to fact check myself.
I asked you guys if you were mad after hearing that Julie Kelly story.
I think that's an understatement.
I think I want to rephrase and go something along the lines of what?
Livid and melting down.
Maybe, I don't know, throw some tea in the Boston Harbor?
Yeah, those kind of vibes.
Except I think our ruling class is so bad that our, whatever, new ports and harbors are probably going to be leased out to the Chinese Communist Party, so they're probably not even actually American.
Because what?
America first.
It's apparently a A heresy, although apparently now in New York, it's what heresy and I guess, well, no longer a crime to defend yourself if you're being assaulted on a public transit system.
We are joined now by the one and only Jackie Tobaroff.
Jackie, I know you're in New York.
You always seem to find yourself in the midst of all the craziness, the protesters.
Can you walk us through the verdict today, the reaction, what the sort of sentiment is there like in New York?
unidentified
Yeah, by the way, it is not hard to find trouble in New York City, actually.
So yeah, I went today to see the verdict and Daniel Penny was unanimously acquitted.
I think it's a huge day for New York City.
We saw the shift right on November 5th.
We reclaimed our country November 5th.
And it seems like today on December 9th, New York City, well, we're going to take back New York City.
That's how it felt today.
natalie winters
And Jackie, can you walk us through some of the protests?
Obviously, a lot of it seems to be BLM, but what are the people who are there?
Is there the sort of Hamas, you know, cosplayer contingent going on there, too?
Or who else is present?
unidentified
Right.
So everyone there pretty much had a keffiyeh.
They explained to me that Palestine and Jordan Neely are exactly the same thing.
It's called intersectionality, didn't you know?
So all of these, they admit, all of these protests are brought about by the exact same people and the same groups.
It was celebratory, really, inside the courtroom after Daniel Penny was found not guilty.
There was so much pressure put on D.A. Bragg, who, by the way, right now there are multiple people calling for him again to resign.
He has created this mess.
He has downgraded 60% of Of felony cases to lesser charges.
He's gone after people like Penny, a masculine white male.
He's gone after President Trump.
He's really just been the human wrecking ball to New York City and, quite frankly, this nation.
natalie winters
Jackie, if people want to follow you, you always write great pieces on your substack.
And also, where can people go to do that?
unidentified
Appreciate you.
You can go to my substack, which is called Supermoms Activated.
Or my Instagram, which is Jacqueline for NYC. That is J-A-C-Q-U-E-L-I-N-E-F-O-R-N-Y-C. Thank you, Natalie.
natalie winters
Of course.
Thank you for joining.
Jackie, uh, triggered me saying intersectionality, but you know what?
All these stupid Soros-funded protesters, the people who, what, scream criminal justice reform and that the prison system is so corrupt, whatever they are paid to say.
Yet where are you guys on opposing the blanket preemptive pardons?
I hope that that sect of people, that activists, that far-left contingency, realizes that they're being sold down the river right now by their betters, by their party elites, who've done what?
Absolutely nothing to make sure that the First Step Act is implemented.
Stephen K. Bannon knows that all too well.
They have no time to do that.
But they have all the time in the world, so much so that they're spending their last wee hours and the late night hours of their final days in this regime to make sure that their buddies can get off for destroying this country for decades and profiting off of it.
Yeah, you want to talk intersectionality?
Yeah, intersectionality to me is where the crimes that people like Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff And Mark Milley and Anthony Fauci committed.
The crimes were those intersect with the policies and sham hearings and investigations and committees that these people ran.
That's intersectionality.
Intersectionality to me It's where Hunter Biden's Ukraine business deals led and created a road where my tax dollars and your tax dollars ended up to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars going and funding a corrupt warlord by the name of Zelensky just so what he wouldn't blackmail the Biden family.
That's intersectionality.
Crimes and policies coming together to screw over the American people.
So shut up to all these stupid protesters who are melting down.
Oh, the criminal justice system isn't fair.
Yeah, it's not fair.
And you take money from the people who make it unfair.
So stop taking your Soros checks and being your Soros activists.
Because you realize that those are the people who are now working behind the scenes to give all their buddies free pardons for destroying this country and turning this country into an economic fiefdom and serfdom where you're nothing more than, like Stephen K. Bannon always says, Russian serfs.
Because, I guess, de-dollarizing this country and making the United States dollar worth absolutely nothing.
Yeah, Rachel Maddow, that's what you guys are doing.
It's not us.
That's called projection.
You guys have made living in the United States an untenable financial reality.
So spare me the protesting about Daniel Penny if you're not gonna say anything about these blanket preemptive pardons for the most corrupt America-last oligarchs that this country's ever seen.
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natalie winters
I'm going to steal your thunder because we're coming up against the end of the show, but I know you're going to say it's a win, win, win, win and an extra win today for Daniel Penny.
Screw you people who want your blanket preemptive pardons.
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