Dec. 9, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
48:45
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Sir, I don't have to tell you this because you've talked about it. | |
| It comes at a time when the country is deeply divided. | ||
| And now you're going to be leading this country for the next four years. | ||
| For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the 2020 election and turn the page on that chapter? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Why would I do that? | ||
| But let me just tell you, when you say the country is deeply divided, I'm not the president. | ||
| Joe Biden is the president. | ||
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But you're going to be the president. | |
| No, no. | ||
| I'm not the president. | ||
| So when you say it's deeply divided, I agree. | ||
| But Biden is the president, I'm not. | ||
| And he has been a divider. | ||
| And you know where he divided it more than anything else and it probably backfired on him? | ||
| I think definitely is weaponization. | ||
| When he weaponized the Justice Department and he went after his political opponent, me. | ||
| He went after his political opponent violently because he knew he couldn't beat him. | ||
| And I think it really was a bad thing. | ||
| And it really divided our country. | ||
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unidentified
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Sir, Democrats have control of the White House now. | |
| They didn't in 2020. If they are going around stealing elections, why would they do it now? | ||
| When you say Democrats have control now? | ||
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Of the White House. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So why didn't they steal this election, since they have more power now? | ||
| Because I think it was too big to rig. | ||
| It's too big to Rick. | ||
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To the people who say that you're now directing your Justice Department to investigate 2020 and they want to move on, is that a good use of precious resources? | |
| Is that what you want them to do? | ||
| Just so you know. | ||
| I have the right to do that, but I'm not interested in that. | ||
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Oh, you're not? | |
| You're not going to do that? | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| I have the absolute right. | ||
| I'm the chief law enforcement officer. | ||
| You do know that. | ||
| I'm the president. | ||
| But I'm not interested in that. | ||
| You know what I'm interested in? | ||
| Drilling and getting prices down and stopping people from pouring into our border that come from prisons and mental institutions. | ||
| You would think if the press was unfair, like to me, the press was obviously unfair to me. | ||
| The press, no president has ever gotten... | ||
| I'm not treated by the press like I was. | ||
| And yet I got more votes than any Republican candidate in history. | ||
| By far. | ||
| It's not even close. | ||
| So you say, what's that all about? | ||
| The press has to straighten itself out because, honestly, it's lost all credibility. | ||
| When that can happen, based on the press, I should have gotten no votes. | ||
| None. | ||
| And yet I got the highest number ever. | ||
| And the reason is because I'm able to go on a show, even like yours, even though you're very hostile, I'm able to go on a show like yours. | ||
| No, you are. | ||
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Well, hopefully you thought it was a fair interview. | |
| We covered a lot of policy grounds. | ||
| It's fair only in that you allowed me to say what I say. | ||
| But, you know, the answers, the questions are, you know, pretty nasty. | ||
| But look. | ||
| Because I've seen you interview other people like Biden. | ||
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I've never interviewed President Biden. | |
| When I say you, I'm talking metaphorically. | ||
| I've seen George Stephanopoulos interview Biden. | ||
| And he's a tough interviewer. | ||
| It's the softest interview. | ||
| I've seen CNN interview him. | ||
| They give these soft... | ||
| You know, what's your favorite ice cream? | ||
| It's a whole different deal. | ||
| I don't understand why. | ||
| You know, you would think the press would like to see strong borders, great education, a powerful military, so we have a country left, and all these different things. | ||
| And somehow they don't want to see that. | ||
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We in the media, we in America have to stand up for norms and institutions. | |
| So we have to say this is a red line. | ||
| And I think what has been helpful with the Gates thing was that All this information came to light and Gates jumped out. | ||
| And, you know, Republicans, a lot of Republicans don't want to do their constitutional duty of advice and consent. | ||
| You know, we heard Tuberville saying, like, you know, he can pick the best people. | ||
| But, you know, they have to. | ||
| This is their responsibility. | ||
| The people must hold these senators to account. | ||
| They must call their representatives. | ||
| They must say, this is your job. | ||
| You do this for us. | ||
| You serve at the privilege of the American people. | ||
| If they think that somebody was dishonest or crooked or a corrupt politician, I think he probably has an obligation to do it. | ||
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Are you going to direct him to do it? | |
| No, not at all. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| We have two great people there. | ||
| We have him and we have Pam. | ||
| And Pam Bondi has been like a rocket ship. | ||
| She's very popular and very good and very fair. | ||
| And Kash Patel is very fair. | ||
| I'll tell you. | ||
| I thought Cash may be difficult because he's, you know, a strong conservative voice. | ||
| And I don't know of anybody that's not singing his praises. | ||
| The other day I was watching and Trey Gowdy, who's a moderate person and very smart and very respected in the party. | ||
| He's Cash's biggest fan. | ||
| He said, this is the most misunderstood man in politics. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| I guess they worked together on the Russia hoax or something. | ||
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It's, you know, the objective is one thing, the process is another, and the process of how he wants to do these things. | |
| My colleague pushed back on him saying, you'd order the FBI. And he's like, no, I wouldn't order the FBI. Right. | ||
| But the FBI should look into it. | ||
| While he's in the process of firing an FBI director and bringing in Kash Patel, who is a subservient loyalist, he doesn't have to tell him what to do. | ||
| He's not going to direct Kash Patel to investigate this because he knows if Kash Patel wants the job, then he will be investigating these people without me having explicitly telling him so. | ||
| If you want to understand what's going on, think about the mafia. | ||
| This is the same thing. | ||
| And again, the literature, historical literature on dictators talks about the relationship, Hannah Arendt talks about this, between the fascist leader, say, and the mob boss. | ||
| So you hire the people who are going to get it, who already know what you want. | ||
| It's a very familiar strategy we all know from gangster films. | ||
| I'm very relieved that they're not targeting the people who wrote statements for the January 6th committee, like myself. | ||
| You know, it is completely, this is all par for the course targeting opposition politicians and the media. | ||
| And I worry it's being normalized by the media. | ||
| They're just reporting on it as if it's normal. | ||
| This suggests for all of those who want to believe that Donald Trump is somehow going to be a kinder, gentler version of himself, that the talk of retribution during the campaign was just so much bluster. | ||
| You know, that's just not the way it looks like now. | ||
| Now, he's putting in Kash Patel at the FBI if he's confirmed by the Senate. | ||
| Kash Patel's been very clear. | ||
| He's planning to come after. | ||
| That's his phrase. | ||
| Come after those that he believes have been unfair in some way to Donald Trump. | ||
| But violated the law. | ||
| He accuses people who are critical of Trump. | ||
| So I think that this is a very, you know, telling indicator of where things may or may not go after January 20th. | ||
| I'm really looking to make our country successful. | ||
| I'm not looking to go back into the past. | ||
| I'm looking to make our country successful. | ||
| Retribution will be through success. | ||
| If we can make this country successful, that would be such a great achievement. | ||
| Bring it back. | ||
| We have a country now that's overridden with crime, that has millions of people that shouldn't be here, that should be in prisons in other countries, that should be in mental institutions. | ||
| We have drug lords being dropped into our country and told never go back to their country. | ||
| I'm looking to make our country great. | ||
| I'm looking to bring prices down. | ||
| I want on two things, the border and more than immigration, you know, they like to say immigration. | ||
| I break it down more to the border, but I want on the border and I want on groceries. | ||
| It's a very simple word, groceries. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It's Monday, 9 December, Year of Our Lord 2024, as you come in today here at 10 a.m. Eastern. | ||
| Eastern Standard Time, both Kash Patel and Pete Hegsis are either on Capitol Hill getting ready to go to Capitol Hill. | ||
| Pete Hegsis has just been tweeted out. | ||
| Pete has a meeting with Joni Ernst, I think at 2 o'clock this afternoon. | ||
| Cash, I think, is starting already. | ||
| Cash is going to see John Cornyn. | ||
| Also going to see Senator Ernst and several others. | ||
| So the FBI Director nominee starts today. | ||
| Pete Hex, SecDef nominee, comes back up for another turn in the barrel. | ||
| I think these are both stabilizing But the number is 202-224-3121. | ||
| Today, back at the Ramparts, make sure you call and let your senator know. | ||
| Call the United States Senate. | ||
| Ask for your senator, and it is imperative you tell them you support President Trump's nominees for the Cabinet. | ||
| And particularly this week, Pete Hexeth for SecDeaf. | ||
| And Kash Patel for the FBI. Pam Bondi's going to go back up. | ||
| I think Scott Besson's going to go back up. | ||
| A couple others are going to initially, I think Linda McMahon, maybe we started. | ||
| Howard Letkin be starting to go by for at least some introductory meetings. | ||
| So before Christmas break, they're going to at least get in there. | ||
| And our recommendation, strong recommendation, is to once again flood the zone. | ||
| What does that mean when they get back after the New Year's break, when the new Congress is sworn in? | ||
| I think on January 2nd or 3rd, on the 4th or 5th or 6th, you should start the confirmation hearings and you should do them. | ||
| But boom, you should come in with six at a time, more than just the national security, which is always kind of goes first. | ||
| I'd put Robert Kennedy up there also. | ||
| So a lot to go through that you saw a amazing interview with President Trump. | ||
| It was prerecorded on Friday. | ||
| Before he left to go to France, an extraordinary trip, with Christian Walker. | ||
| And it was just a complete throwdown. | ||
| Right there you see why President Trump's President of the United States. | ||
| It's a complete throwdown. | ||
| I mean, he got right in her face and lit her up by saying, hey, you're nasty. | ||
| The questions are nasty, the way you guys present it. | ||
| You always try to take an angle every time the media goes with Biden or somebody else. | ||
| George Stephanopoulos, remember right after Biden had that disastrous debate, he was like talking to a demented uncle. | ||
| But President Trump had throw downs on the 14th Amendment, on mass deportations, on what he's going to do internationally. | ||
| It was just spectacular. | ||
| Then he goes to France. | ||
| And let's be blunt, that was like Charlemagne showing up in the Cathedral of Notre Dame. | ||
| You had a group of pygmies around him, you know, munchkins. | ||
| You know, Jill Biden and Macron's wife sitting next to him. | ||
| They're like four foot eleven, right? | ||
| He's sitting there. | ||
| He's got the black coat on. | ||
| He just dominates the scene. | ||
| And all of Europe, all these tough talkers, oh, Trump's terrible, Trump's terrible, Trump. | ||
| They sat and kissed the ring. | ||
| If you saw how it was just humiliating for the leaders of Europe, pure humiliation, given the fact they've never tried to be this guy's partner. | ||
| President Trump saved NATO. Because NATO was spinning out of control, and he said, hey, look, you either commit to the 2% you guys made as your target in 2014 because you knew what you were doing in Ukraine and you realized you had to step up for more money. | ||
| You'd never been straightforward with your people. | ||
| You did the 2% of GDP. You never meant that. | ||
| You never came close to meeting that. | ||
| You were not on a path to do that. | ||
| I helped you do it. | ||
| And this is why he's talking about the hundreds of billions of dollars he got into NATO defense. | ||
| He saved NATO. By demanding that the political class in Europe live up to their own commitments and agreements. | ||
| But the trash talk on Trump was unanimous, uniform. | ||
| He's terrible. | ||
| He's the end of democracy. | ||
| He's a fascist. | ||
| And look at him at Notre Dame. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Look at them. | ||
| They're all running around. | ||
| Macron couldn't get enough time. | ||
| Macron's trying to use him to save himself because he's about to get tossed out. | ||
| Why? | ||
| The government already fell. | ||
| Why did Bonilla's government and parliament fall? | ||
| Because, hey, wait for it. | ||
| It's about austerity. | ||
| It's about budget cuts. | ||
| They have a budget 6% deficits to GDP. | ||
| You can't run it. | ||
| That's not sustainable, particularly if you're not the prime reserve currency. | ||
| And France is not, right? | ||
| They're not a prime reserve currency. | ||
| So therefore, they have very little control of their fate. | ||
| They have to cut down to 3%. | ||
| How did they do that? | ||
| They were going to put it on the back of the working man and woman. | ||
| And Le Pen and Front National said, no, you're not going to do that. | ||
| We're going to get all these foreign commitments, these foreign entanglements. | ||
| They had a huge throwdown. | ||
| The government fell late last week. | ||
| And Macron's trying to use Trump. | ||
| They're trying to use Trump as a prop. | ||
| But here's the big question. | ||
| I got Dr. Bradley Thayer is going to join us. | ||
| And then Mike Davis is going to come and talk about the resistance and what Mark Elias is up to. | ||
| He's going to break it down in detail as they try to have a rearguard action against President Trump. | ||
| The question is, Biden has beyond faded. | ||
| I mean, President Trump went to France and he was president of the United States. | ||
| He's going to go to the Army-Navy game this Saturday as President of the United States. | ||
| He's right now in full-spectrum dominance. | ||
| They're all focused on Trump. | ||
| They're all working him right now to try to get him into this serious situation. | ||
| Biden's bombing al-Qaeda. | ||
| Remember, the rebels that overthrew Assad are ISIS and al-Qaeda in suits. | ||
| That's all they are. | ||
| And they're trying to entangle President Trump. | ||
| He's saying, hey, it's just sand and death. | ||
| I don't want to get involved. | ||
| But they're treating him as President of the United States. | ||
| Why has Biden totally faded? | ||
| Why has Biden faded? | ||
| Dr. Thayer agrees with me that this shows you more than anything the illegitimacy of their time in office. | ||
| They know they're illegitimate. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why are they spending all their time in the White House right now? | ||
| On blanket preemptive pardons. | ||
| Think about that for a second. | ||
| We're going to come back in a moment. | ||
| Johnny Kahn takes it out of the American Heart. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
| Dr. Bradley Thayer on the other side. | ||
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It's striking what he's saying is the people who attacked the Capitol, who assaulted police officers, who tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power, should be let out of prison. | |
| And the people who investigated that attack should be put in prison. | ||
| And that's, I think... | ||
| It's pretty straightforward in terms of his priorities and his values. | ||
| You know, look, a lot of things he just said there are not true. | ||
| It's important to remember, for instance, that the vast majority of those who have been convicted of offenses on January 6th are no longer behind bars. | ||
| Only a handful, really, are in that Washington jail he's talking about. | ||
| And those are the ones who are convicted of the most violent of crimes, the ones who really hurt people on that day. | ||
| So the people he's talking about actually releasing from prison are the ones who are the most violent. | ||
| That's just a bald-faced liar. | ||
| Peter Baker is a bald-faced liar. | ||
| He said President Trump only wants to go after people who have been unfair and critical. | ||
| It has nothing to do with that. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| One, it has to be investigated about J6, and it's going to be investigated. | ||
| It's going to be investigated about the 2020 election. | ||
| It's going to be investigated about J6. It's going to be investigated about weaponization. | ||
| And Peter Baker and the New York Times and his wife, Saren Glasner, over the New Yorker, they don't like it. | ||
| Tough. | ||
| I don't care what you like or don't like. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And here's how we know Peter Baker about the criminality of the Biden White House and their nervousness. | ||
| What you didn't mention there Why didn't you mention about what they're spending all the time on? | ||
| President Trump is going around the globe now as essentially President of the United States. | ||
| He goes to Europe. | ||
| He's like Charlemagne. | ||
| Look at those scenes in Notre Dame. | ||
| It blew me away. | ||
| Then he's got the interview with Kristen Welker. | ||
| It's just one throw down. | ||
| It is one bomb after the next. | ||
| She don't even know how to respond. | ||
| What they're doing at the White House, Peter Baker, you're not commenting on. | ||
| Why are you not talking about the blanket preemptive pardons? | ||
| If J6 was so above board, if J6 was so honest, if J6 was in the traditions and customs of the United States and lawful, why in the White House are they burning the midnight oil looking at blanket preemptive pardons? | ||
| It's never been done. | ||
| It's totally unconstitutional. | ||
| Amy Klobuchar. | ||
| See, folks, I just want to make sure we got the right framing for this. | ||
| Because we got them now. | ||
| We got these rats cornered like the rats they are. | ||
| They don't have any good choices. | ||
| If they give the blanket preemptive pardons, which they want to do, not just for Biden's family, but for Milley and Liz Cheney, all the J6 committee. | ||
| This is what's so powerful. | ||
| President Trump said they ought to be in prison. | ||
| It's so powerful. | ||
| Klobuchar comes out and says, I don't approve this. | ||
| In Washington, D.C., I bet you two-thirds minimum of the elected Democratic, and probably more, but two-thirds minimum of the elected Democratic representatives up there, House and Senate, are saying, you can't do that. | ||
| We got them right now cornered. | ||
| If they do the pardons, the blanket preemptive pardons, they've admitted their guilt to the nation. | ||
| It will destroy the Democratic Party. | ||
| Destroy it. | ||
| Right now, there's a piece today in the Hill newspaper that said the Democratic Party, even in regrouping, could be a dozen years before they come back. | ||
| The Democratic Party, all they're doing, all these articles showing, oh, they're going to go populist. | ||
| They're going to be populist. | ||
| They're going to be populist. | ||
| You just don't wave a magic wand and all of a sudden you've got an angle of attack or a center of gravity of populism. | ||
| You have to work it. | ||
| And deep. | ||
| You have to get deep into the marrow of what you're trying to accomplish, of your movement. | ||
| It's deep into MAGA. MAGA is a populist nationalist movement, full stop. | ||
| It's taken many, many, many years to get there. | ||
| And many fights against a Republican establishment. | ||
| Hey, we're a long way from winning, totally. | ||
| You know, we win some, we lose some. | ||
| You just can't do that. | ||
| But they don't have any good choices. | ||
| They admit to criminality by giving the blanket preemptive pardons and destroy themselves. | ||
| And if they don't do it, hey, guess what? | ||
| In the transparency of the investigations that will come, and they are coming, in the transparency, the American people see exactly what they did. | ||
| That's why these things have to be like Caesar's wife. | ||
| They have to be above board. | ||
| They have to be totally transparent. | ||
| The American people, we want transparency. | ||
| We want the American people to see this. | ||
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And when they see that, they're finished. | |
| They're so clever and so cunning. | ||
| And Peter Baker's up there. | ||
| Oh, this is just... | ||
| No, it's not about unfair or critical. | ||
| It has nothing to do with that. | ||
| I could care less people. | ||
| Unfair or critical? | ||
| It's irrelevant. | ||
| President Trump, it's irrelevant. | ||
| Irrelevant. | ||
| But you never quite get to the heart of it. | ||
| And this is where we stand on this element of it. | ||
| As he's kind of now in full-spectrum dominance. | ||
| Dr. Bradley Thayer, I want you to, by the way, I want to thank the guys at Birch Gold because, hey, we're going through turbulence. | ||
| You look at the three vectors we talked about, World War III, the debt and the deficit in the economy, and also the invasion of the southern border. | ||
| And I think we're trying to get Birkholm down in Mexico City. | ||
| Todd Bensman just came back. | ||
| On those three, the Biden administration, the Biden regime is trying to, as much as possible, to screw things up to make it more difficult for President Trump to actually relieve the watch and go. | ||
| But, Dr. Thayer, you brought up a thing earlier this morning with me and some of the articles are coming out over the weekend and this morning saying, hey, look, you know, you've never seen, and in D.C., this guy has faded so much. | ||
| Biden has faded so much. | ||
| Your point was, hey, this reinforces the fact that they know their illegitimate regime and all they're doing going out the door is trying to protect themselves legally from the investigation that comes. | ||
| Dr. Bradley Thayer, your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Yes, Steve, the story of the Hill you mentioned in the Politico story too today really reinforces that point that Biden and Harris have all but disappeared. | ||
| It's unique in American history. | ||
| The nominal president and vice president have de facto exited months before the new one is sworn in. | ||
| And there are three reasons why that story is really important. | ||
| First, it gets to the illegitimacy of the Biden regime. | ||
| We're told that he won over 81 million votes in 2020, 7 million more than Trump did. | ||
| But if that were honest, if he were It's legitimate. | ||
| Every Democrat would be coming to him, would have come to him this year and would be coming to him now about talking to Biden with respect to how did you do this? | ||
| How is it that you defeated Trump? | ||
| What advice, what lessons do you have for us? | ||
| Biden, accordingly, right, did something that even the heavyweights Clinton and Obama didn't do with that massive electoral popular vote win. | ||
| How did they do that? | ||
| But they're not asking him those questions at all. | ||
| The story in Politico notes one Democrat saying that White House is a total vacuum and that another Democrat said they're just trying to forget his name. | ||
| They want him out of town as soon as possible. | ||
| So he's got the lowest of low profiles and his surrogates do. | ||
| So you don't see Ro Khanna, AOC, Whitmer, Newsome coming to kiss the ring. | ||
| You don't see anybody asking Biden about the DNC chairmanship election, asking for his endorsement, which you're gonna have on February 1st of 2025. Nobody's looking to Biden to inform the strategies that the parties should adopt to thwart Trump. | ||
| So it just shows that, of course, he didn't win fairly. | ||
| He didn't win, honestly. | ||
| No surrogates are defending him in public and explaining his greatness. | ||
| Second, his party is punishing him, to be sure. | ||
| He did what he could to step all over Harris's campaign. | ||
| But fundamentally, there are deep and ancient hatreds among the Democratic Party. | ||
| And the political story in particular illustrates that the great divisions in the party are rooted in the fact they don't know which way to go because those divisions are not resolved, whether to stay hard left or make noises about going a moderate way. | ||
| So, again, your surrogates are absent, and people are telling Biden that he should just be upstairs watching reruns of The Golden Girls and Murder, She Wrote. | ||
| Thirdly, and this is the key point, dangerous point, to improve his image with Democrats, the story, the political story in particular, again, is telling him he needs to get off his duff. | ||
| He needs to do what he can to hurt Trump in the next 42 days. | ||
| That means pardons, paroles, special classes for illegal immigrants, Trump, Ukraine, for example, thwarting Trump in Ukraine and elsewhere. | ||
| So the story is telling Biden to get off his duff, get into action, to hurt Trump as much as possible, to help the Democratic Party, because today only Biden for the next 42 days and then the rhino Republicans in the Senate are going to be able to thwart Trump's agenda. | ||
| So they're telling him to get going, work harder, do more to thwart Trump. | ||
| My thesis that we've got them cornered in the fact that they do these blanket preemptive pardons, which are unheard of in American history, blanket preemptive pardons. | ||
| We've got Amy Klobuchar and a lot of the more responsible Democrats saying, you can't do this, I'm not supportive, you're going to blow us up. | ||
| But if they don't do it, they've opened themselves up for these legitimate and continuous investigations. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Well, I think the Democrats are solely concerned with power at the end of the day, so they'll do whatever is necessary to sustain that and to shield the party and the key actors who are involved in those activities from any type of justice. | ||
| So I expect massive pardons, Steve, like we've never seen in those instances, but also for groups that we're not talking about. | ||
| For example, the illegal aliens. | ||
| And, of course, it's a legal issue whether you can parole them, whether you can create special classes. | ||
| But he's got 42 days to take a sledgehammer to the United States and the pillars of our society, our economy, our culture, our national security. | ||
| We should suspect that he's going to, again, you know, turn off the TV, no more Golden Girls episodes. | ||
| And get to work hitting the United States as hard as you can to thwart Trump. | ||
| That's the whole point. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, your social media, where do people get your ratings? | ||
| Bradley Thayer at Getter and at Truth and Brad Thayer at X. Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, thank you so much. | ||
| We've already lost a lot of our contributors, and I think you're going to hear more announced in the days and weeks ahead. | ||
| I want to thank Dr. Bradley Thayer. | ||
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We can push back against Trumpism. | |
| And remember, California is like the size of a country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fifth or sixth largest. | ||
| Huge, powerful economy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if California starts pushing back against the federal government, I mean, this could be opening the door to something. | ||
| You mentioned Gavin Newsom. | ||
| Last month you had Governor J.B. Pritzker of Illinois, Jared Polis of Colorado. | ||
| They formed this Governor Safeguarding Democracy Group, basically to kind of advance policies on a state level that can push back against anything that the federal government tries to do that could encroach, if you will, on civil liberties or our fundamental basic rights in this country. | ||
| Your thoughts on that, whether that can be effective? | ||
| Well, we'll see if it's going to be effective. | ||
| Guessing whether it's going to be effective is not in my academic purview. | ||
| But we're going to see, as far as my job goes, universities. | ||
| We'll see weaponizing Title VI against universities. | ||
| We're going to hear talk of anti-white discrimination, maybe anti-Christian discrimination. | ||
| So we'll see that. | ||
| We'll see a kind of retribution for the federal civil rights focus on the South over the decades. | ||
| This is, as some people say, this is the ultimate victory of the South. | ||
| So we're going to see that. | ||
| And, of course, the South used tactics to fight back against federal civil rights enforcement. | ||
| And, of course, you have large black populations in the South who do not have much power still. | ||
| So, I'm not sure that we can do that consistently with our democratic ideals, play some of the same tricks, but it's going to be important to at least look and see how the South did that. | ||
| Institutions like my own, Yale and other universities, need to take on multiple threats at once because they affect us. | ||
| For instance, the attacks on immigration. | ||
| Well, the United States is the greatest university system in the world. | ||
| Everyone sends their kids to our universities. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's great that the people come to Yale and Harvard and to the best university we have in the country. | ||
| I think it's very positive. | ||
| We ought to clip An exit visa on the degree when they get it and go back to their home to make their home great again. | ||
| We don't want to be some imperial power that sucks up all the brains and talent from the world and keep them here in the United States, but we don't want to do that. | ||
| That's the way you make a world in which these countries can't function, can't operate, because their best and the brightest have been sucked up by somebody else. | ||
| We want those countries to thrive. | ||
| We want those countries to be robust. | ||
| We want those countries to be peaceful and prosperous. | ||
| The way you do that is make sure that their talent, the talent from their people, are back in the countries making them great. | ||
| Again, kind of a logic there. | ||
| Right there you see, though, about stopping Trumpism and stopping MAGA. This is a full-throated, you have many alternative kind of versions of how this is going. | ||
| Mike Davis is going to join us in a minute to walk through Mark Elias. | ||
| He's got this new kind of resistance movement. | ||
| Elias walks through why the first one in 16 he didn't think was particularly work, but they got a different angle of attack now. | ||
| You've got Newsom. | ||
| It's going to be the front line with these governors. | ||
| You've got guys on the Hill. | ||
| It's all over. | ||
| One thing I just want to go back on what Mike Davis says. | ||
| So, Mike, they're talking about the institutions. | ||
| I keep saying right now we have to seize the institution. | ||
| Trump is clearly president right now, right? | ||
| He goes to France. | ||
| They're all running around. | ||
| These are guys that did everything possible to defeat him. | ||
| And now everything possible to try to Trump-proof it. | ||
| You've heard that phrase, Trump-proof it. | ||
| Yet they're all there trying to kiss the ring. | ||
| So they're saying the institutions have to push back. | ||
| I'm saying we should do a better job of seizing the institutions. | ||
| Part of that is, I think, take on the Senate as an institution with Mitch McConnell. | ||
| We've got Cash Patel, we have Pete Hegseth, and it's imperative that both Pete and Cash get confirmed, if nothing less than to send a message that President Trump is going to have the administration he wants, not the one that Mitch McConnell wants. | ||
| Mike, I've got to ask you, Amy Klobuchar, And over the weekend has said this. | ||
| She said, look, I'm not a fan of these blanket preemptive pardons. | ||
| I don't even know what they are, but I don't like it. | ||
| I don't like the sound of it. | ||
| We've kind of got these guys cornered now. | ||
| They're spending all their time at the White House thinking about these pardons. | ||
| If they give them, I think the Democratic Party is absolutely destroyed. | ||
| It kind of breaks in two. | ||
| If they don't get them... | ||
| Like President Trump said, he's not there for retribution. | ||
| But hey, if somebody did something wrong, you know, somebody did something wrong, it's going to have to be investigated. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Well, I would ask this, Steve. | ||
| Why do they need to give out these preemptive pardons if they've done nothing wrong? | ||
| Have they broken the law? | ||
| Have they committed felonies? | ||
| And they're showing their hand that they know that they have. | ||
| Otherwise, why would they want to issue these blanket preemptive pardons? | ||
| Like for example, to these Democrats We're good to go. | ||
| On January 6th, who were politically persecuted, that sounds like a criminal conspiracy against rights to me when you politicize and weaponize federal intel agencies and law enforcement against your political enemies. | ||
| 18 U.S.C. Section 241, or for example, when Tony Fauci, he created He illegally created COVID in the Wuhan lab. | ||
| He funded it illegally. | ||
| He lied about it. | ||
| He covered it up. | ||
| He obstructed justice. | ||
| And then that led to the deaths of millions and trillions of dollars in lost treasure and years of human misery because of this Experiment that Tony Fauci created called COVID. And then you look at illegal immigration. | ||
| These various officials in the federal government, the Biden White House, DHS, Justice Department, state governors, local officials, are illegally importing and harboring illegal immigrants. | ||
| That is a federal crime. | ||
| That is clearly illegal to aid and abet harboring or harboring or concealing illegal immigrants. | ||
| And there must be consequences for this criminal activity because, as they told us for four years, nobody's above the law. | ||
| When they went after parents outraged by gender chaos in schools, they sent the FBI after them and said nobody's above the law. | ||
| When pro-life Christians were praying at abortion clinics, including a 75-year-old Christian who got sent to prison by the Biden Justice Department under the FACE Act, they said nobody's above the law. | ||
| So I agree. | ||
| Nobody's above the law. | ||
| And if a grand jury, for example, in the Southern District of Florida indicts under conspiracy against rights, we can say that a grand jury indicted so the charges are clearly legitimate. | ||
| And then when these cases are heard before maybe Judge Cannon down in the Southern District of Florida and a jury down there in Fort Pierce, Florida finds them guilty, we're just following the law. | ||
| uh mike tell me about uh you've been doing work now on the resistance one of the one of the fights they've got is mark elias and there's many different fronts of this you got the governors you have guys on capitol hill you have the ngos in the media walk me through mark elias is one of the smartest guys they've got out there he's he's taking a quite Different tact than they tried the resistance in 16 when we had 10,000 people outside of Trump Tower every day protesting. | ||
| They almost shut down the inauguration, particularly the inauguration balls that took place by protest. | ||
| They had the pink hat protest. | ||
| I think 100,000 women showed up on that Saturday. | ||
| Just walk me through, and I know we're going to play some clips, but before we get to the clips, walk me through. | ||
| Mark Elias, why is he taking leadership in this, and what is his theory of the case? | ||
| Mark Elias is the best operatives that Democrats have because all he cares about is winning, right? | ||
| It's earning power and using power and that's how Democrats operate and frankly that's how Republicans must start operating and stop being stupid. | ||
| We'll earn power and then we don't use power, right? | ||
| Like we did last time. | ||
| So this time we earn power, we need to use power. | ||
| Mark Elias talks about how in 2016 Democrats were shocked Mark Elias wants to move the Democrat Party from | ||
| organic resistance of 2016 to organized resistance in 2024. | ||
| And that includes five points. | ||
| It's winning elections. | ||
| The Democrat Party can't just be woke. | ||
| It has to have a big tent of ideas. | ||
| They're talking about new institutions within the Democrat Party, revamping the Democrat Party for better coordination. | ||
| They need to do a better job communicating with the Democrat Party. | ||
| Mark Elias organizes because their brand is toxic. | ||
| And the most important that Mark Elias talks about is using the courts aggressively to enact their agenda. | ||
| Being liberal judicial activists, not being principled, not caring about the political fallout, not caring about Following a judicial philosophy, Mark Elias' judicial philosophy is winning power, earning power, and using power. | ||
| Do we have a clip? | ||
| Can we play the first clip? | ||
| Let's go ahead and play the first clip right now. | ||
| We'll have Mike comment on it. | ||
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...movement and accomplish some really important things, but that what we need now is really something new, what I've called the opposition, something much more durable and much more sort of long-term. | |
| Mark, like you said, the resistance movement wasn't a total failure. | ||
| We saw really historic victories in the 2018 midterms, for example. | ||
| A lot of that was powered by the resistance, by down-ballot liberals, Democrats, progressives joining together and making changes. | ||
| What are some lessons we can learn from, you know, 2016 to 2021 as we prep for 2025 and beyond? | ||
| Yeah, look, Paige, I think the first thing that we ought to learn from that experience is that resistance worked. | ||
| You know, Donald Trump campaigned, among other things, on a platform of repealing the Affordable Care Act, so-called Obamacare. | ||
| And he came very close to doing so. | ||
| But it was the results of the resistance movement that kept that from happening. | ||
| Like you can thank, you know, the fact that you have your health care and that you have seen expansions to it to the resistance. | ||
| The fact is that that the resistance movement embraced the courts and the courts played a very, very central role in preventing a lot of really terrible things from happening during Donald Trump's first term. | ||
| People forget how many cases that Donald Trump lost. | ||
| I don't mean election cases. | ||
| I mean substantive cases where he tried to pass bad policies and the courts blocked them. | ||
| And that was a success of the resistance movement. | ||
| You know, the resistance movement recruited, as you mentioned, down ballot candidates and built the premise and the foundation for for the 2018 election, which was very successful for Democrats and for Joe Biden winning in 2020. | ||
| So so I think there is a lot we can learn from the resistance movement. | ||
| And central above those things is never give up. | ||
| Don't allow Donald Trump to to let cynicism reign. | ||
| That is what he wants you to do. | ||
| He wants you to think that you're powerless. | ||
| He wants you to think that there's nothing that you can do. | ||
| He wants you to think that resistance is futile. | ||
| And the first thing we can learn is that resistance is not futile. | ||
| Like I said, the second thing I think we can learn is that even when you don't have power in Congress, and even when you don't have power in the executive branch, you still have power in the courts. | ||
| You still have powers in the states, right? | ||
| Governors matter. | ||
| State legislators matter. | ||
| And so one of the lessons I think we learned from the resistance movement is not to discount grassroots organizations and the power they have, not to discount the courts, not to discount state-level actors. | ||
| And I think that is going to be even more important as we move forward. | ||
| I'm going to come back. | ||
| I'm going to get Mike. | ||
| Mike, I'm going to hold through a break and bring you back. | ||
| Here's the most fundamental takeaway I take from this and the reason I asked you over the weekend to break it down. | ||
| Mark Elias has gone from the election lawyer, right, the guy who goes in the courts and has screwed up a lot of things and stolen a lot of elections. | ||
| This is his coming out party to be the master strategist. | ||
| You hear Carvel and these guys yammering on. | ||
| He's really thought this through. | ||
| There you're seeing the core of kind of a strategy to turn around for the Democrats. | ||
| We're going to break it all down for you. | ||
| the evil genius Mark Elias next in the war room. | ||
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| Mike Davis, right there. | ||
| I kind of see the future of Mike Davis now. | ||
| You know, Mark Elias comes in as the guy going into courts, and he's kind of this grand dune lawyer, and he wins these cases, he comes up to works. | ||
| Now, with this tape and his new organization, he's metastasized to be the overall, because there's a gap there, because Carvel and these guys are so clueless when you see them on TV. He's got a real opportunity. | ||
| Axelrod and these guys are kind of – he's got some wins. | ||
| He's got some street cred. | ||
| But he's given a big picture of how they do the whole thing. | ||
| Legal in the courts of one of them, but it's No. | ||
| 5. He's actually giving strategic and political advice about where to go. | ||
| Your thoughts about that, brother? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| He's very effective, but he also does things that the American people will reject. | ||
| For example, the American people do not like the extreme lawfare by the Democrats against President Trump, his top aides, his allies, his supporters. | ||
| And that's very clear that the American people don't like that because this election It was a referendum on that. | ||
| The American people heard the allegations and evidence on all these lawfare cases around the country, and the American people rendered their verdict on November 5th. | ||
| And it was a landslide victory for President Trump. | ||
| 312 electoral votes. | ||
| He won all seven swing states. | ||
| I would say this to the Republicans in the House and Senate and other Republicans down ballot. | ||
| Take lesson. | ||
| Take a lesson from President Trump. | ||
| You need to be bold. | ||
| You need to be fearless. | ||
| You need to earn power. | ||
| And you need to use power, right? | ||
| And when you do that, maybe we would have picked up more Senate seats than we did. | ||
| Maybe we would have won Senate seats And states that President Trump won if D.C. insiders would have been a more bold, fearless, America first populist movement. | ||
| And so that's what President Trump is going to change when he goes to Washington. | ||
| He's going to complete the takeover of the Republican Party and make us an effective party. | ||
| And I think Mark Elias is trying to do the same thing on the Democrat side. | ||
| Yeah, you know, Molly Young-Fass, she tells you that. | ||
| She keeps saying... | ||
| It's not about Trump. | ||
| She keeps talking about Trumpism and MAGA. She says Trumpism and MAGA. This is what President Trump's done. | ||
| He's created a movement. | ||
| That movement has momentum. | ||
| That movement has certain ideas. | ||
| It's bringing in—it's a big tent. | ||
| We're bringing in African Americans and Latinos and Hispanics every day. | ||
| That's what they're trying to thwart. | ||
| Can we, by the way, can we boot up where President Trump talks about he's the chief law enforcement officer? | ||
| I'd love that. | ||
| Just tell me when that's ready. | ||
| I want to play that for Mike. | ||
| Mike, what I'm going to do—is it ready? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, let's go ahead and play. | ||
| I want to play. | ||
| President Trump is now talking about, in our lingo, the unified theory of the executive. | ||
| He says this to Welker and her head blows up. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play it from this magnificent Meet the Press interview of the President. | ||
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Sir, I don't have to tell you this because you've talked about it. | |
| It comes at a time when the country is deeply divided. | ||
| And now you're going to be leading this country for the next four years? | ||
| For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the 2020 election and turn the page on that chapter? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Why would I do that? | ||
| But let me just tell you, when you say the country is deeply divided, I'm not the president. | ||
| Joe Biden's the president. | ||
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But you're going to be the president. | |
| No, no. | ||
| I'm not the president. | ||
| So when you say it's deeply divided, I agree. | ||
| But Biden's the president. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| And he has been a divider. | ||
| And you know where he divided it more than anything else and it probably backfired on him? | ||
| I think definitely is weaponization. | ||
| When he weaponized the Justice Department and he went after his political opponent, me. | ||
| He went after his political opponent violently because he knew he couldn't beat him. | ||
| And I think it really was a bad thing. | ||
| And it really divided our country. | ||
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Sir, Democrats have control of the White House now. | |
| They didn't in 2020. If they are going around stealing elections- When you say Democrats have control now- Of the White House. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So why didn't they steal this election, since they have more power now? | ||
| Because I think it was too big to rig. | ||
| It's too big to Rick. | ||
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To the people who say that you're now directing your Justice Department to investigate 2020 and they want to move on, is that a good use of precious resources? | |
| Is that what you want them to do? | ||
| Just so you know. | ||
| I have the right to do that, but I'm not interested in that. | ||
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Oh, you're not? | |
| You're not going to do that? | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| I have the absolute right. | ||
| I'm the chief law enforcement officer. | ||
| You do know that. | ||
| I'm the president. | ||
| But I'm not interested in that. | ||
| You know what I'm interested in? | ||
| Drilling and getting prices down and stopping people from pouring into our border. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Two bombshells right there. | ||
| She asked me, well, are you just going to move on from 2020? | ||
| He goes, no, I'm not. | ||
| It was stolen. | ||
| Hallelujah. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| And also, he sits there, the unified theory. | ||
| We talk about, Mike, he's the chief executive of the government. | ||
| He's commander-in-chief. | ||
| Wait for it. | ||
| He's chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer. | ||
| President Trump says it right then. | ||
| Davis, we've got a minute before break. | ||
| Your thoughts about President Trump stating, finally, he's the chief law enforcement officer of our beloved republic. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| Under Article II of the Constitution, the executive power belongs to the president and the president alone. | ||
| He is the executive and he can hire people to help him. | ||
| Congress can create offices to help the president with Senate confirmation like the Attorney General Pam Bondi or FBI Director Cash Patel, but it's the president's executive power and he has every right to Under our Constitution to direct the Justice Department to open investigations, to indict people. | ||
| There is a long history of this, and Mark Pialetta lays this out in a very powerful piece. | ||
| Now, Trump says he's not going to do it, but he definitely has the legal authority under the Constitution to do that. | ||
| Mike, hang on for a second. | ||
| Mike Davis, that's built single-handedly Article III project into being a powerhouse in Washington, D.C. He is the viceroy. | ||
| We've still got to figure out about his interim, you know, I think the vice board is going to have an interim role here in Washington, D.C., maybe to weigh and measure for a couple of three months. | ||
| D. Mike Davis joins us. |
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