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Nov. 27, 2024 - Bannon's War Room

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WarRoom Battleground EP 662: Massive Wins Against Woke Corporations

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natalie winters

09:47

robby starbuck

13:26

steve bannon

12:58

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mike lindell

04:59

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rachel maddow ▲ ● ▼		Next, I think we need to be watching for something that they call autocratic breakthrough.
		Autocratic breakthrough is when the party in power uses the power they do have in government to make sure they can never be dislodged from government.
		I'll give you a concrete example.
		You've already seen in the House of Representatives, now that Mike Johnson is back in as Republican House Speaker, they changed the rules in the House to make it much harder to remove him as Speaker.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		By the way, Rachel, if you're going to bring a concept and a construct like autocratic breakthrough, you can't come in with Mike Johnson.
		I mean, Natalie's right.
		You can't have Polly Pockets change the rules committee.
		That's not good enough, okay?
		You've got to bring the heat.
		So...
		This is very important, and we're going to hammer down on this.
		You can see directionally where this is going.
		You're absolutely correct.
		There's no conspiracies, but there's no coincidences.
		A lot of this, they got a lot more organized on the wash, rinse, repeat, ma'am, after the big conference they had in D.C. last week.
		Is that your take on things?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
		Look, I wish Mike Johnson was the type of Republican that Rachel Maddow and the entire left-wing media apparatus demonized him to be, but unfortunately we're stuck with a weak-willed, do-nothing Mike Johnson.
		But no, I think you're absolutely right, and I know sometimes the audience just wants to have the victory party, but like we've always said, you know, I think there's no better microcosm For this whole debate than the case of the Jack Smith indictment and all the January 6th Tanya Chukkin stuff, right?
		Yeah, sure, for the next four years the lawfare goes away, but they dismissed it in a way that literally the day President Trump leaves office, they could just reinstitute the cases should a Democrat win and take over the DOJ again, right?
		They've done everything they can to try to turn Trump's victory into a Pyrrhic victory.
		From the personnel front, right?
		Particularly depriving, whether it was Matt Gaetz or just working to subvert.
		I'm sure they're burning and trashing and shredding documents galore.
		You could only imagine.
		But this is about a broader thing where I think we can't get lost myopically in the moment right now or even in the next four years.
		Nor is it just domestic, right?
		This is about a global battle between populism and I think it's really important to understand That when they present themselves as weak,
		right, you have Axios, New York Times, all these left-wing media outlets running piece after piece saying, oh, you know, the resistance isn't really shaping up.
		People are kind of tired.
		When you actually read the pieces, I would posit that it presents a little bit of a different story, but I think it's very Sun Tzu in the sense that they want to appear weak when they're strong.
		But more importantly...
		So much of their concept of legitimacy and their anti-Trumpness derives from the idea that Trump has to be woefully unpopular among the American people.
		And a key cornerstone to that narrative would be the idea that the resistance is so large and, you know, it's billowing and everyone's ready to join because they hate Trump so much.
		So it was just an odd sort of mutually exclusive theory that the media could say, Donald Trump is an autocrat and we need to, you know, mount all of our defenses.
		We need to weaponize the Praetorian Guard against him.
		But then in the same breath, the left-wing media is also saying that the resistance is dying.
		So I would say watch that narrative evolve very closely.
		And like you said, too, they just had their big funding kind of organizational meeting just this week.
		And they still control the levers of power.
		So they're focused on subverting from the inside for now.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, hang on a second.
		I'm going to get to the four red lines of shocking in-your-face moment last week with Xi.
		I want to get to that in a second, but I want to bring it.
		What this audience loves is fighters.
		And what they love the most is fighters that come against long odds.
		You couldn't have longer odds than Robbie Starbuck and his wife taking on the biggest corporations in America.
		We've got a cold open for Robbie.
		He's going to join us here in a second.
unidentified		Let's go ahead and play it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to play that at any time?
		Maybe we're not.
		Let's bring in Robbie.
		Okay, we got it.
		Let's go ahead and play it.
unidentified		Conservatives fighting back against corporate DEI may have scored their biggest victory yet.
		Walmart, the nation's largest private employer, just announced it is rolling back its diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives.
		It made out cries over so-called corporate wokeism and claims that DEI is more divisive than inclusive.
		Walmart says it's ending racial equity training programs for staff, evaluating programs designed to increase supplier diversity, reviewing funding of pride events, and And removing sexual or transgender products marketed to children.
		Now, Walmart defends the move, saying, quote, We have been on a journey.
		And no, we aren't perfect, but every decision comes from a place of wanting to foster a sense of belonging.
		Other companies making similar moves.
		They include Harley-Davidson, Tractor Supply, and John Deere.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you've been on a journey.
		I noticed how that journey took a different direction after November 5th.
		There's nothing worse than the heads of these corporations.
		They're the worst people on earth.
		They will lie, look in the eye.
		They were all over...
		Crushing MAGA and crushing the American people with their wokeism because they were too gutless to stand up to it.
		Robbie Starbuck, you and your wife were not.
		You stood up to it.
		Talk to us about the Daily Mail has this amazing piece, how kind of against all odds Robbie Starbuck went out and just has been headbanging on these corporations and one after the other are collapsing.
		How did you get the idea?
		How did you get started?
		And tell me about the victories.
robby starbuck ▲ ● ▼		First of all, Steve, I just have to say how happy I am to hear your voice.
		And we prayed for you every day that you were gone in that unjust, disgusting, vile prosecution against you.
		And you are a hero.
		You're an inspiration in many ways.
		Things like this wouldn't happen without the work that you've done for so long.
		So I want to say I'm so happy to see you and hear you.
		But this work really started because I had for a long time had an issue with this ideology in corporate America.
		And I saw it as one of the main heads of the beast.
		Because if you allow corporations to be taken over by an ideology, you essentially get a new form of communism.
		It's fused with some other stuff.
		But to basically make it really simple for people, the old communism was...
		You know, seizing the means of production, the new communism has seized the minds of the people in charge of production.
		And so being very cognizant of that, I saw how dangerous that Overton window shift was where the acceptable discourse was wokeness and the acceptable policy was wokeness and the conservative, typical employee or consumer was terrified to just have their own opinion.
		And that paradigm simply cannot last if you want to save a country or a culture or have anything worth a damn to live in.
		And so I said, you know what?
		We've got to use every tool we have at our disposal to frame this differently, shift the Overton window, and it starts with moving the companies who depend on the conservative consumers.
		So we started with these companies like Tractor Supply, John Deere, Harley Davidson.
		These audiences of consumers are vastly, vastly conservative.
		Okay, so That's how we had our initial success because we had to prove I could get these stories out there far enough, wide enough in the marketplace that you would suffer actual sales issues.
		And so we did that with each one of these companies.
		And Harley was the first one that tried to dig in.
		I mean, they really tried to dig in because their CEO is a true believer, far-left lunatic.
		And so they did, to the detriment of the company at large.
		You know Sturgis, biggest biker rally in the world.
		It's 90% Harley bikes.
		At Sturgis, they had to pack up two days early because it was a ghost town at what is normally the most attended area of the Sturgis event, the Harley-Davidson booths.
		They had to pack up two days early.
		That's Bloomberg.
		The left would love to say that's conspiracy theory.
		Bloomberg reported that, okay?
		And then their earnings report just came out.
		It only covered a sliver of the time that we began our boycott.
		And in that small period of time, it was enough to sink their sales 20% over what was expected for the entire quarter.
		So extrapolate that across a new quarter.
		Other companies know what that means, okay?
		And then you look at the stock prices.
		John Deere lost $10 billion in market cap while we were after them.
		Tractor supply lost almost three, much smaller company.
		And you could see that there's real financial impact from our focus on a company.
		So companies tried different tactics.
		Eventually, after about 15, 16 companies, we get to Walmart.
		Walmart thought it wise to just sit down and have a conversation and negotiate surrender, essentially.
		These are the things that we are willing to do.
		And I say, well, I want – the people who I represent want all these things, right?
		And you find a place where you can eliminate these crazy policies and get to a productive place because the reality is, as a retail brand – You know, there's really three big ones.
		You've got Amazon, Target, Walmart.
		They're the really big ones that carry a lot of big box stuff.
		To get one of them to shift over to our side is an opportunity for us as well to show that there's benefits to dropping wokeness.
		And so as an example of that, today, our movement moved stocks, okay?
		Because today, the Walmart stock was up over 2%.
		Target stock was down over 3%.
		So it was massively outperforming their woke competitors today.
		Showing that Walmart made a very wise move.
		But as we move across this, we've now shifted the Overton window to where it is normal to drop wokeness.
		And soon we're going to have shifted it to the place where having woke policies means you are the crazy ones.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you about the mentality.
		I went to Harvard Business School, but it was back in the 80s.
		The mentality today of corporate America, because it was much different then, but the mentality of corporate America, why did they seem to embrace this so quickly without any fight?
		And then they're almost like Nazis, the way that they enforce it through their stores and all the way to the consumers.
		At one point, the height of this, they didn't care if they lost customers or not.
		What drives that?
robby starbuck ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it kind of amazing?
		It used to be sharks in the business world.
		I mean, fierce people that were just like, we're going to make the most money for our company.
		We're going to be the greatest American company in whatever area it was that they covered, right?
		And now you've got this new thing.
		And so essentially what happened, and I'm going to make this very concise as much as I can, because there's a lot of moving parts to it.
		But you've got all these woke groups like the Human Rights Campaign, Orwellian name, they have nothing to do with human rights.
		They're essentially the wokest far left activist group you can imagine.
		And they have this woke CI scoring system, which essentially it almost works like an extortion racket where it's like a shame if people knew your company, hated LGBTQ people.
		And that's like it got these companies to adopt these crazy policies because in order to get 100 percent score, you have to be paying for transitions, not just for the employees, but their kids.
		You've got to market pride events.
		You've got to have pride events at work.
		You've got to push it in every segment of the company.
		There's all these rules.
		Right.
		And then there's financial incentives to it.
		So, you know, companies got in some ways sucked in by things like that, but a bigger, broader problem.
		OK, I brought up Harley Davidson as an example.
		And there's something very interesting about Harley Davidson, their CEO, Joshin Zeitz.
		Joshin's from Germany, and he partnered with Sir Richard Branson to create something called the B Team.
		The B Team is one sort of WEF aligned group of which there are many whose explicit purpose is to push wokeness in corporate America, which is a big deal.
		Well, how did they do that?
		They want to implement a, quote, new type of capitalism, which isn't capitalism at all.
		And in order to do that, they're cognizant that you need to remove the existing leadership in corporate America, retire them out, pay them, whatever you need to do.
		And install your puppets, okay?
		Essentially install woke puppets.
		And in many corporations, that's what happened.
		You got the woke puppets in there.
		And their job is simply to advance wokeness and get paid millions of dollars in exchange for doing their part.
		And so that's how you got this orthodoxy sort of spreading like a virus throughout corporate America and really the globe at large.
		And something happened, though.
		Companies forgot who walks through their doors.
		They thought it was BlackRock.
		They thought it was State Street.
		They thought it was Vanguard.
		Turns out it's normal people who watch War Room.
		It's normal people who follow my X feed.
		It's just normal people.
		And the minute they find out these companies- Not only hate their values, but fundamentally want to create a future where your children are going to suffer.
		People don't react positively to that.
		And so that's what we've seen here is the markets brought new pressures and now you can't hide a news story.
		Back then, companies could pay off a news outlet to not cover a negative story.
		They could say, we'll up our ad spend.
		We can't do that with me.
		I'm not going to be shut up by offering me money.
		So you're going to have that story reach more people than CNN reaches every night.
		My video last night reaches more people than CNN reached for the past 48 hours.
		And that's fundamentally changing exactly how this all works because now these companies are getting into the water and a new ocean and there's new sharks and we're not afraid when we smell blood to go after our prey.
		And wokeness is the prey we're after and we will eliminate it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Ruffo said, I think, yesterday on a podcast that President Trump could end this wokeness disease among corporate America in the first 48 hours.
		What is your recommendation?
		You know a lot of people on the transition team.
		What is your recommendation to the president, the people over, you know, Howard Lutnick's going to run Commerce.
		You've got a bunch of, you've got Navarro and other folks in the, and I think Kevin Hassett may be named.
		Head of the NEC here any moment.
		You know a lot of these folks.
		What's your recommendation to his team of what President Trump should do starting on the afternoon of the 20th of January of 2025, sir?
robby starbuck ▲ ● ▼		I have a lot of recommendations, and I'm happy to, for free, advise any of them who want advice on this.
		But essentially, you know, step one, there's a lot through executive orders Trump can do.
		But here's something really important.
		The DOJ, to make sure, because I'm interested in making sure this never happens again, the DOJ needs to go after companies who Where they committed civil rights violations by discriminating, and it was largely against white people through these DEI programs.
		But you need to actually have this go through court.
		You need to prove the discrimination.
		You need to set a standard and a precedent for the future so this does not happen again.
		So the companies fear ever treading into this water ever again because we need to make it so inhospitable that nobody wants to touch it.
		Here's another one.
		I was negotiating with a major defense contractor to drop woke policies.
		We had a call with their legal team and we found out one of the big problems is they were willing to drop a number of policies, but it would mean losing DOD contracts because the DOD contracts actually required them to have these woke policies.
		So they actually were asking me, is there anything you can do with the new administration to try to get them to maybe drop some of this?
		I can almost guarantee between us, we can get them to drop the whole damn thing.
		Not only get all this stuff out, but I think we need to approach contracts as a government in a new legal basis where there's concern about the liability that you could possibly be tied to by proxy if you're giving money in contracts out to companies that have discriminatory programs that in color and in pretty much every way violate existing anti-discrimination laws.
		So there's a number of different things we can do to really not just stop it, because stopping it's probably the easier part than making sure it never happens again.
		But these things, on a fundamental level, they can be done, but each agency is also gonna have to be very eagle-eyed, and that's a big part of this, because Trump can issue an executive order, but if you've still got woke people, It's some tiny wing of the NIH who are still going to push this stuff out because nobody sees what they're doing, then that's a problem.
		So you need to have emissaries going through the government making sure that this is eliminated at every level.
		We need to demoralize the people behind it as well because they need to feel so fundamentally that we will wipe away every piece of their work should they ever try this again, that they have no desire to ever try it again.
		But in detail, there's definitely things I can give them that I think on an executive order basis would set the tone for corporate America right out the gate in the first 48 hours.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But hang on.
		We'll talk afterwards.
		I'll hook you up.
		But I need you to go back.
		This is so fundamental.
		This is what I'm saying about this criminal conspiracy about President Trump and so many people around him.
		Oh, let bygones be bygones.
		I say no.
		You owe this.
		This has to be done for the country.
		We can never allow this to happen again.
		You have to have a special counsel or you have to have specific people inside a DOJ that have to fundamentally go through this.
		I need you to repeat this.
		What you just said, the difference between having just some executive orders and actually going through the process over at DOJ, the legal process to make sure you go through these companies and these civil rights violations of folks so they can never happen again.
		Give it.
		Give me that headline again, because I think this is quite fundamental for how this administration needs to go forward, sir.
robby starbuck ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the problem with executive orders.
		If anybody else takes the White House 2028, 2032, they can write new executive orders, right?
		It's a lot harder to fundamentally change the machinery within a system.
		And we can destroy it going agency by agency, but the DOJ plays a huge role here because they can actually bring companies to heel by suing them for civil rights violations and getting massive fines.
		And really holding their feet to the fire.
		And there's a multitude of ways throughout the DOJ that they can make pressure come to bear against these companies.
		And it doesn't just affect the companies that they choose to target.
		It's going to affect every other company downstream of it because every other company is going to go, dang, we don't want to be that next company the DOJ is investigating because we had discriminatory policies through our DEI program.
		Minority supplier programs are one example, okay?
		I'm Latino.
		I think a lot of people know that.
		And it's why I fundamentally have so many problems with this is because my kids should not get an extra leg up in society because they can check a box that says Latino.
		Okay, I think that's ludicrous.
		They shouldn't get an easier time getting into school.
		I want them to know they earned everything in life.
		But when you look at fundamentally These diversity supplier programs, how they work is they give preference to people according to their racial or ethnic makeup.
		That is ludicrous and it's against the law.
		However, it's been allowed to happen at almost every major company in America.
		So target the top ten.
		Make sure that you really hold their feet to the fire and make them pay for this.
		And guess what?
		Every other minority diversity supplier program in America is going to be gone the next day.
		And that's just, that's the fundamental reality of business.
		So we need to use those tools to ensure this never happens again.
		And it needs to be painful.
		And not just on that level.
		I mean, there's about 30 different types of violations that I could cite you out from these major companies that I believe almost all of them have committed in.
		And you need to go after all of them.
		Make it extremely painful because that is what other companies are going to listen to.
		It's what they're going to abide by in the future because they're going to see, okay, they're not just doing an executive order that can be overturned with another president in the future.
		This is in the machinery now.
		And then you need to do that on a level within every agency to change their rules.
		You need to change the way government contracts work.
		You need to make it so difficult for any company who has a DEI program to ever get a government contract That they would never dream of having one.
		I mean, look at a company like Amazon.
		They're woke as can be.
		They have so many government contracts.
		Unbelievable.
		They should be ending their DEI program and every bit of wokeness immediately, or they should understand they're going to lose every government contract they have.
		That is going to be within President Trump's power, and I hope he wields that.
		Because if he does, it will prevent this from happening in the future.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		By the way, there's so much wisdom there, particularly Robbie, saying we have to demoralize them, and you've got to make it painful.
		Robbie, where do people go to get the content about all this?
		I know you're putting up podcasts all the time, you've got a site, your Twitter feed's on fire, but where do folks go to get all your material?
robby starbuck ▲ ● ▼		On X, it's probably the best place, x.com slash Robbie Starbuck.
		But if you want to be a whistleblower and expose its wokeness at a company that you're familiar with, go to RobbieStarbuck.com slash DEI. RobbieStarbuck.com slash DEI. There's a tip line there.
		You click it, and you can anonymously share with us what you have to tell.
		And we will consider it as one of our future targets because we also understand something very important here.
		And I think the left-wing media has missed this.
		You probably already understand this without me saying it.
		The reason we have been so successful is I understand the very simple reality of hunting.
		If you hunt a pack, they're much stronger.
		If you pick them off one by one when they're separated from their pack, they're not so strong.
		And that's what we've done.
		We've picked off these companies one by one with no organization to shield them, no group.
		We're not going after 1,000 at once.
		We're going one by one.
		So you get your moment in the spotlight, company A, company B, company C, and they have to individually stand up for and stand behind some absurd policies.
		And so far, not one company has been willing to stand up aside those policies and say, hit the road, Jack.
		They've all buckled 100% of the time.
		The longest it's taken is three and a half weeks.
		So these companies understand this financial reality that has changed, and we're not going to let them forget that.
		We're going to keep going one by one, and we are going to take down every company who engages in this absurd behavior.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Robbie Starbuck, honored to have you on here, sir.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate you.
robby starbuck ▲ ● ▼		Honored to have you, sir.
		Thanks for having me.
		It's great to see you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, brother.
		Robbie Starbuck and wife, just incredible.
		Natalie, first off, I love the application from the right of Alinskyism.
		That's Saul Alinsky.
		Call him from the herd.
		So your side hustle, you started a company, and one of the reasons was you saw the reality of wokeness in corporate America.
		Tell us your sense of corporate America.
		Why did they go so crazed, and particularly even in women's fashion, with this whole transgender stuff?
		I mean, it got to be nuts.
		Why did that happen, man?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I don't really even like the term wokeness because I think it's still too euphemistic for what something to its core is Marxist, is communist, but more fundamentally in the application of the United States is anti-white, I think is anti-sovereignty, is anti-man.
		Is anti-biology, right?
		So I'm all down to go against wokeness as sort of an umbrella term, but I think that it's sort of why wokeness is so popular is because it's sort of a right-wing, culturally acceptable way to talk about issues that the left has said, oh, if you touch that, you're a racist, you're a sexist, you're a bigot.
		I mean, to answer it, I think you can sort of go back to the broader democracy critiques that we've been talking about throughout these last Two hours, right?
		The left marches in lockstep on everything.
		And they don't let any ounce or inch of culture be untouched or unspoiled by whatever their agenda is of the day.
		And so if it's the cultural degeneracy angle of it, which I think is more intimately related to the fashion, to the gender stuff, then of course they're going to insert their tentacles there.
		But what you're talking about is such a just astronomically backwards view of capitalism where you're seeing companies Purposely tank their profits in order to serve a political agenda.
		And I think that you see it for all the times that they hurl the fascism insult and smear our movement as, you know, fascists.
		They're corporatists to their core.
		I mean, just look how they carry out their censorship operations.
		They're all about merging state economy, you know, business with the private sector.
		And I think, too, you know, to tie it to what I think you want to bring this conversation to, You know, when you talk about the idea of China's four red lines, or when you talk about what Rachel Maddow's hammering about autocracy, you're fundamentally talking about two competing systems of governance.
		One is an actual democracy where people like Robbie Starbuck and the truth is able to be seen and heard on platforms like X. And you don't have a robust Praetorian Guard that is propped up by massive censorship industrial complexes to hide the faults of a fake and fledgling democracy that is not democratic at all, that's rooted in just upholding the institutions that the MSNBC hosts are forced to defend every night.
		And you can see it by them fearing the appointment of people like Kash Patel, people who want To burn down those institutions and salt the earth around it for added effect.
		But that's essentially what this is about.
		A country where they control everything or a country where the truth prevails and the American people have a chance to measure and weigh that truth, but they want to take that right away from us.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Natalie, hang on.
		We're going to take a short break here, and we're going to have Jackie Torberoff join us from Manhattan.
		It's a conversation I know you've been wanting to have.
		What in the hell is the story with the search in general?
		I think she's a Fauci fan.
		We've got to figure this one out.
		We've got to deconstruct it.
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		We've got to make sure that he's getting all the best information.
		You're going to get it here right in the war room.
		Natalie Winters, Jackie Torber is going to join us.
		Natalie Winters is going to stick around, riding shotgun.
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		I got American faith in America's heart.
		Go on, raise the flag.
		All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
		War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I've got a question here.
		We've got Jackie Torberth.
		The great Jackie Torberth joins us from Manhattan.
		So Jackie, I've got Megyn Kelly.
		I've got Laura Logan.
		I've got Julie Kelly.
		I got Tina Deskovich and I'll throw in Natalie Winters.
		I got five of the superstars of the MAGA movement who are, you know, brands in and of themselves and people trust their judgment.
		They're not happy with this selection of the Surgeon General.
		And you've kind of summed it up in a beautiful piece.
		If Mo and Grace Chong can make sure we get it out.
		And Jane, make sure we get it up, and let's get it out to everybody.
		I'll bring Natalie in a second, but can you summarize?
		I know you're trying to help the president, assist the president, and the president's got to pick his team, but we want to make sure we can give some mid-course guidance.
		I think everybody that's hardcore is kind of shocked and stunned by this, ma'am.
		Your thoughts?
unidentified		Right.
		I love President Trump.
		I voted for him three times, rooting for him.
		I live in Manhattan, mom of two.
		There's no one that's rooting for him more and that understands what happened to these children during 2020 to 2022 more than me.
		I get it.
		His cabinet picks have been great.
		This one is a disaster.
		It is Dr. Neshewa.
		He has chosen her to be Surgeon General.
		This is a person who advocated for masks and vaccines and spacing and lockdowns and every single thing that was the wrecking ball to education and to stripping parents of their rights for their children.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So listen, what was her position at the time?
		We're going to go back, folks, back to a pandemic in 15 days to stop the spread.
		That was in, what, April and May of 2020. And the reason was, hang on with very imperfect information.
		And this was because of the capacity utilization.
		And I think it was Natalie Winner's dad that actually, a doctor in Santa Monica, he was one of the first guys that came on here and walked us through about ICU units and the capacity of 100,000 beds and all this.
		And the 15 days to stop the spread is that the ICU units wouldn't be overwhelmed.
		But that took on a life of its own.
		She kind of goes back to the beginning.
		Give us her track record of what she's recommended Over the four years of the, a couple years of the pandemic and then since then, ma'am.
unidentified		So at the beginning, she said, you know, children weren't yet at the age to get vaccinations and that really every teacher had to do it.
		Then she recommended spacing.
		Then she recommended masks, even if you were vaccinated, even if you were asymptomatic.
		I mean, if you remember, children were pretty much called vectors of transmission and merchants of death.
		This woman pretty much helped solidify that.
		She said that children can spread it even if they're asymptomatic.
		It was this entire panic porn, fear porn, and it just kept spiraling.
		I went back.
		I mean, she said it multiple times.
		She kept doubling down on it.
		And again, even after the kids were vaccinated, she still encouraged masking and spacing.
		She said to avoid going out in public.
		You know, IQ points dropped.
		From 100 to 78 for children.
		This is because during COVID, they were kept isolated.
		They were locked down.
		They weren't going to school.
		Suicide went up.
		Self-harm went up.
		85% of Black children are not math Eighty four percent of black children are not reading proficient.
		This was all exacerbated during these lockdowns and shutdowns and then hybrid.
		And then, oh, by the way, they introduced all of this activism.
		We had CRT, DEI, the Islamist situation.
		So every hurricane has happened because school was closed and really they just overrode the system.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So, Natalie, let me bring you in here.
		You know, we were banned in perpetuity, I don't know, Spotify.
		If they weren't banning us for us demanding that the election had been stolen and that we had to set things right, they were banning us because of our fights with Fauci.
		You were there.
		Did this woman kind of took Fauci's side on the information war?
		Did she not, ma'am?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, Steve, don't sell the war room short.
		We're banned on YouTube as well.
		Though I do predict that there will be some more heads on pikes.
		Metaphorically, I think that's a cornerstone of retribution.
		No, I think Jackie hits the nail on the head.
		But, you know, to extend it even further, you're not just talking about someone who has a horrific track record on COVID vaccines, never really, from a media perspective, put herself out on the front lines like we did at Warren Pandemic.
		And someone who I believe said that Anthony Fauci is great.
		That's not two adjectives that I would particularly put together.
		But I digress on that.
		This is someone who I think most concerningly has defended the type of disinformation and censorship programs that have really been sort of the bedrock as to how they've been able to come after shows like War Room, alternative media platforms, and saying that anyone who dares to, you know, say what Jackie just said, that they're and saying that anyone who dares to, you know, say what Jackie just said, And look, my baseline, and maybe I'm a little out there as, you know, Slate and The New Yorker have alleged or alluded to rather recently, is,
		Anybody who wants to have a position in the federal government for any entity related to public health and vaccines should have publicly stood in the breach and come out speaking against vaccines.
		And if they were working at a company, they should have led the internal crusade and or been public about their efforts to say, I'm not taking the vaccine and I'm quitting.
		I mean, Steve Cortez quit Newsmax over that, I believe, right?
		She didn't.
		She went on Fox.
		She was okay complying with the mandates.
		President Trump faces, what, 700 years of lawfare?
		If someone didn't have the nerve or the balls to stand and hold the line on COVID vaccines and defending innocent children from getting mandated vaccines, then they have no place or no position in President Trump's cabinet for anything health and human services related.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So, Jackie, President Trump's made some amazing picks.
		And I don't know how this got past Bobby Kennedy.
		If what Megyn Kelly and Julie Kelly and Natalie and you and everybody's saying, which looks like they're all facts, why do you think President Trump picked her?
unidentified		I think oversight.
		Maybe he was led astray.
		Look, I adore President Trump.
		I'm rooting for him, as I see throughout the article.
		And I think every mother that takes issue with this, from Megyn Kelly to Julie Kelly, is also rooting for President Trump.
		Our maternal instincts have come out.
		We want to protect him.
		He made some terrible picks.
		He was led astray in the first administration.
		And we do not want to see that happen, especially since He has made tremendous gains with the moms, specifically in New York City.
		I mean, Manhattan jumped 11 points for Trump.
		This nominee, it cannot stand.
		And something else to Natalie's point, you know, one of the things that drew moms to Trump Was education and health.
		Both of those things are all we pay attention to.
		We don't know what the hell else is going on.
		That is all we're paying attention to.
		This woman is now going to be the face of both of those things.
		That's completely unacceptable.
		And one other thing.
		President Trump has attempted to right these wrongs.
		She, again, has she issued an apology?
		Has she corrected anything?
		I haven't seen it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Jackie, where do people go to get your Substack and all your writings and where they get you on social media?
unidentified		Thank you.
		Please go to Supermoms Activated on Substack.
		And you can go to my Instagram, which is Jacqueline for NYC. That is J-A-C-Q-U-E-L-I-N-E-F-O-R-N-Y-C. Thank you, Steve.
		Thank you, Natalie.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Jackie.
		So, Natalie, I ask the same question to you.
		Why do you think?
		You know the inner workings of the transition.
		You're down at Real America's Voice at West Palm Beach.
		You're on the inside.
		You're going out afterwards and having drinks and dinners with all the swells down there that are making things happen.
		How did this, particularly about Jackie's point about education and health, And the issue about disinformation.
		And I gotta add, Bobby Kennedy has been nominated to head up HHS. I assume that they ran the Surgeon General by him.
		So this doesn't make sense.
		I've heard such a blast against this woman.
		President Trump, there had to be a logic of why she was selected.
		He's a very, he really thinks these things through.
		And then you had Bobby Kennedy.
		So why did they want her?
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, no drinks with the people down here.
		I don't do that.
		But look, overall, I think the HHS slate, the vaccine stuff has been absolutely stellar.
		I mean, a world in which RFK Jr. has actually been nominated.
		I mean, that's...
		And from what I've heard from my friends who work on the transition or just the general politico types, that Sergio Gore, who this audience knows very well, really has been doing a wonderful job of balancing all of the sort of interests that represent the new MAGA coalition.
		You know, but I think to be, as you would say, brutally frank, you know, one of the reasons that we did win was because we had such a big kind of umbrella party and we welcomed in so many people, right?
		The tech bros, which is great.
		But, you know, it sort of raises the question that, well, you know, do you begin to dilute your movement if you sort of broaden it out too much?
		And I'm not saying that this one appointment is an example of that, but I think there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen when it comes to pushing certain appointments.
		But I also think, too, just speaking anecdotally from my personal opinion, obviously President Trump has an affinity for selecting people who are, you know, on Fox, have that media telegenic savvy.
		And she does seem like a logical pick if you're picking from a realm of, you know, TV personalities who have sort of been around, you know, HHS world.
		But also, too, I mean, this audience is no stranger to the influence that, you know, the big pharma lobbying campaigns, you know, have, what is it, since COVID, they've, like, increased their lobbying expenditures by, like, hundreds of percentile increases exponentially, if not logarithmically, every year.
		So it's probably a convergence of all those interests.
		But I do think her confirmation hearings will be very, very interesting.
		Because I think you'll probably see some Republicans defect, especially like a Ron Johnson type, when it comes to their vaccine hesitancy issues or stuff like that.
		But I think you're going to see, most interestingly from her confirmation process, the big pharma buy-off and complicity of the Democratic Party on full display because she'll probably be one of the few nominees that gets overwhelmingly complete Democrat support.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Natalie, social media, where do people get you?
		And talk about your side hustle for a minute, your entrepreneurial activity.
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		Well, my entrepreneurial activity is retribution.
unidentified		No, I'm Natalie G. Winters on all social media.
natalie winters ▲ ● ▼		We're going to do a rebrand.
		She's so retribution.
		I'm Natalie G. Winters on all platforms and you can get the clothing.
		It's all USA made.
		Perfect holiday gifts.
		It's all on a nice Black Friday sale.
		47% off.
		Almost as good of a deal as Zelensky's getting.
		Use code 47 and we have men's stuff.
		You've got to get the America First Golf and Country Club t-shirt.
		It's pretty epic.
		Thank you, Steve, for having me.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Very cool.
		Okay, Natalie, see you tomorrow, ma'am.
		Good on you.
		A couple things.
		I want to make sure that everybody gets a chance to get the book, Rebels, Rogues, and Outlaws.
		Natalie G. Winters is in it.
		You've got all the people, all the personalities from the War Room are in here for the first five years of the show.
		It's the pictorial history of the War Room.
		If you've got somebody that loves the world and loves the show, this is the best gift I think you can get.
		We've got some great merch up on a merchandising site, which is all terrific.
		You can get mugs and teas, all that.
		But this really gives you, I think, a great snapshot of the spirit of the show from the personalities, all the contributors, and a lot of the sponsors, the staff, Natalie and the whole team, the on-air personalities, and back-of-the-camera personalities is pretty extraordinary.
		Dan Fluitt.
		Who is my producer, has been my producers, and we're about to make a big announcement on the film side.
		Dan is a great producer.
		He's kind of both the creative and the line producer that makes sure actually a movie can come together and get made.
		But he's also very creative.
		This is one of the reasons our films always look so great.
		Dan, the still photography is something he's picked up over the last couple of years, and I think he's one of the best in the country, and I don't say that lightly.
		I'm always highly not critical of Dan's work, but I make sure that I try to set very high standards.
		He's actually blown me away and everybody associated with Sky Horse and War Room Books, so it's quite extraordinary.
		Mike Lindell, I tell you, we're coming to Thanksgiving.
		We've got so much to be for gratitude and thanks.
		We're going to have a really special...
		Thanksgiving Day special.
		You're going to join us back on Friday for the Black Friday special where we always walk through the issues of the day with our entrepreneurs, all the entrepreneurs that have the saying of the Patriots economy.
		Talk to me in the run-up to Thanksgiving.
		You've been under so much pressure.
		They tried to bankrupt you.
		They tried to put you in jail.
		You've been very close to the Tina Peters situation.
		As we come up to Thanksgiving, give me your thoughts on what the nation should be grateful for.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot to be grateful for, but I'm gonna tell you what they're doing to me right now.
		This is breaking news on your show.
		As you know, Keith Ellison has attacked our Lindale Recovery Network and my foundation.
		This has been going on for about three, four months.
		Now, they're coming after my pillow.
		This is a new IRS audit.
		So this is like a thank you from this leaving administration.
		See, they don't want me digging into our election platforms.
		I'm kind of getting that.
		You know, presidents, our real presidents, and now let's keep attacking Mike Lindell, my pillow, so he quits talking about our elections.
		I'll tell you what, I will never stop, no matter what they do, to get our elections secure.
		But I'll tell you what, we have a big thank you.
		It should be a lot easier now with our great real president.
		and prayers were answered.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, not only do we have an IRS audit, they've come in, the CIA or the FBI shut him down.
		Got to find out about that.
		Mike Lindell, another IRS audit.
		Folks don't understand that, and this is about President Trump.
		Starting back in those dark days in 2021 when President Trump went back to Mar-a-Lago, they came after people.
		And what they do, they shut down your bank accounts, they took your credit cards, the jackboots of the FBI came by and saw people.
		It was just one thing after the IRS audits.
		They took all powers of the state and went after people.
		Mike, tell me about this IRS audit.
		The IRS is just dropping by and saying that you're not paying your taxes.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the IRS, this is a massive audit.
		They're going all the way back to 2020. It's disgusting, Steve, it really is.
		And they just piled it on.
		I actually had the guy on the phone, I said, is this another hit job on MyPillow and Mike Lindell?
		He got kind of snippy, but I don't care.
		We're gonna fight everything that they're doing.
		I have nothing to hide.
		I told my attorneys, I'm not gonna let this slow me down.
		Just give them everything.
		I don't care.
		When you lose tens of millions of dollars the last few years on the attacks and when it poured into the country, there's nothing left for them to take, Steve.
		So it's disgusting, and it really is disgusting that they're going after these employees I still want to give thanks where God's put us.
		I give glory to God and what he's got us this far and protected our country and protected us.
		I still, when we get through this, I'm gonna look back and go, you know what?
		Everything that happened, even the bad things were meant to be, and to get to where we need to go.
		I've been down this road before with my pillow under attack, and just put it on the pile.
		But I'm giving thanks.
		I want to thank the War Room Posse for what they've done for us.
		Keeping MyPillow in business through the worst times.
		No company has been attacked more than MyPillow in the history of the world.
		That's a fact, everybody.
		But the War Room Posse was there for us in this last year, times when we needed it the most.
		They bought all of our products.
		We have thousands of products now, thousands of SKUs.
		And we wanna give thanks.
		And how can we do that?
		I figure the best way we could do that with the promo code War Room was give free shipping.
		That's what's hit the economy the hardest.
		The shipping charges, price of groceries, everything going up.
		So we're giving thanks to all of the War Room Posse with free shipping from MyPillow.
		All my employees are very grateful.
		We've hired new employees just the last month.
		And I really do, Steve.
		I give it to the Warm Room Posse.
		They were there, and they've always been there for us, and we've been there for them and for your show, getting our voice out.
		I think we all need to give thanks for our voice getting bigger, and we never gave up.
		Everybody, we never gave up, and so now we can get the word out, all these positive things that are going to be happening.
		People need to realize the hope, and God's given us grace for such a time as this, and I really think that Glory be to God.
		And this is the time where there's so much to give thanks for.
		But I want to give everybody up at the War Room Posse that promo code WARROOM. Get all your Christmas gifts.
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		Click on him there like you've all done many times over.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Go check it out.
		Mike, we love you.
		We'll see you tomorrow morning.
		Get back in that room and start beating up the IRS. I'm going to introduce you to Tax Network USA. I think Mike Lindell's got a call for a free consultation.
		Tax Network USA slash Bannon.
		I'm going to talk to Mike afterwards.
		Okay.
		Billy Strings takes us out.
		The man comes around from the Book of Revelations.
		We'll see you back tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.

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