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Nov. 16, 2024 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 4061: Trump Deserves To Choose Who He Appoints; March Or Die

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steve bannon

32:08

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chris hayes

01:19

maureen bannon

03:21

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bret baier

00:26

jake tapper

00:08

jonathan lemire

00:15

trey gowdy

00:46

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chris hayes ▲ ● ▼		By successfully exploiting a key division among Americans, those who are for the system and those who are against it, broadly put.
		President-elect managed to build a narrow majority with what you might call an anti-system coalition.
		People were angry at our government, resentful of our institutions because they feel they have been failed by them.
		And lots of people feel that for very good reason.
		And now he has chosen perhaps the most high-profile figure in the anti-system world for a top job in his cabinet.
		Of course, I'm talking about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
		That's Trump's new pick for Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services.
unidentified		Yeah, going back to your first question, it's not just that these people are not qualified enough.
		It's not just that they're totally unqualified.
		It's that they're anti-qualified.
		They're qualified to do the opposite of the thing that they're supposed to do.
		Tulsi Gabbard is talking in a moment when Russian forces are approaching the Ukrainian capital when Russian assassination squads are attempting to kill the Ukrainian head of state.
		And she's advising people that all we have to do is summon up a magic word and in effect surrender all of Ukraine to Russia.
		It's an extraordinary thing to be doing.
		And it's not naive.
		It sounds naive, but it's not.
		It's what it's doing is trying to prepare the way for more Ukrainian suffering.
		It's what it is, it's saying, he who invades is right.
		Well, first we have to confront something that's really important, because we always talk about this with the kind of the assumption that if we build it, they will come, right?
		That if only there were local newspapers again, if only the local newscasts were on.
		What we're missing here is that a large chunk of the fault here just lies with the American public.
		We are now a leisure society.
		We take in huge amounts of entertainment.
		We take in petabytes of information over the course of weeks and months that we simply can't process.
		Our tolerance for boredom, for nuance, for detail is almost zero.
		And this is what I wrote about in The Death of Expertise, that people, they don't really want to read news stories.
		I was on a panel once with Dan Balz from the Washington Post, and someone said, you should write more explainers and very calmly.
		He said, we write them.
		You don't read them.
		You won't read them.
		And I think we have to deal with the fact that there is a kind of a resistance to people ever encountering news or being told about anything that they think is unpleasant or uninteresting or contradicts things that they already believe.
		And having said that, you know, passionately, I'm not sure what to do about it.
		There is local news.
		There are, you know, through the Internet, there are other reputable sources of news.
		And Will is sitting right here.
		You know, you can read Will Bunch.
		But I don't know what to do about the fact that we've become a society that is so easily distracted and bored that asking people to pay attention to who's going to be the Secretary of Defense.
		My parents were uneducated folks.
		They read the newspaper every day.
		They would have been able to answer that question in 1969 or 1970.
		Today, people just don't seem to care that much about it.
		I'm not sure how to make them care until something disastrous happens.
		Your warnings have not weakened.
		You haven't watered them down.
		You are truly alarmed at what you've been seeing in the last week and a half.
		Yes.
		Nothing is unclear here.
		These appointments are not just poor choices in a traditional sense.
		These appointments, each of them individually, is historically bad.
		But taken together, these are not people who are going to be bad at their jobs.
		Right.
		In some sort of normal sense, taken together, these appointments suggest an attempt to actually make the American government dysfunctional, to make it fall apart, to pervert it, to have it do things that it's not supposed to do until it's not capable of doing anything at all.
		So of course, one has to be attending to this.
jonathan lemire ▲ ● ▼		An insightful piece, and it seems like he's assembling a team to do just that.
jonathan lemire ▲ ● ▼		And this time, because he's now far more familiar with the levers of power in government, it seems like he has a much greater chance of succeeding than he did the first time around.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's what's really striking here.
		First of all, he did tell us all this in advance.
		We were talking about RFK Jr.
		He literally said before the election that he wanted him to go wild on America's health bureaucracy.
		So again, you know, the shock is that on some level so many people are shocked.
		I do think, Jonathan, you and I have experienced this before, the distraction of the carnival, the theatrics.
		Donald Trump is a serial picker of fights.
		He's probably relishing all the attention to the controversies he's already generated in just one week.
		But I think that can be a distraction from what the underlying goals are here.
		Steve Bannon was practically gleeful in talking about the Gates pick the other day.
		But he said something I think is really important.
		He said he's going to be Donald Trump has picked a blowtorch.
		For the Justice Department.
		And you could say that almost all of these picks, in their own ways, are potential blowtorches for the departments that they have been chosen to lead.
		And I think, to the extent there's an ideology, that's the ideology.
		An ideology of burn it down, blow it up, you know, reinvent it.
		And that plus personal loyalty to Trump himself.
		A big lesson he took away from his first term in office.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified		Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
		The people have had a belly full of it.
		I know you don't like hearing that.
		I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
		It's going to happen.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified		MAGA Media.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified		War Room.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's Saturday, 16 November, in the year of our Lord, 2024.
		We're back on watch here in the war room in the Imperial Capitol.
		There you had a combination of Chris Hayes of MSNBC, Tom Nichols, formerly of the Naval War College.
		I'm not kidding you.
		Writer for the Atlantic Magazine.
		You had, I think, Tim Snyder, the historian from Yale.
		Susan Glasser, who is, I believe, at the New Yorker, and she's the wife of Peter Baker, the lead White House correspondent for the New York Times.
		So you get a set there.
		All of them bemoaning this.
		Let me step back.
		I had an opportunity to talk to a couple of groups yesterday, one in Mar-a-Lago and one back here in the Imperial Capitol.
		Donald Trump took a bullet to the head and four months later won a landslide victory.
		The crowd of Chris Hayes, and I agree with Chris Hayes, it's system versus anti-system, when you break it down to something.
		It's elite globalists, the system, versus populist nationalists, the anti-system.
		And Chris Hayes, you know, maybe he's the guy at MSNBC that makes it through.
		But that's a very smart framing device.
		And Chris Hayes says, hey, look, the system's failed a lot of people.
		So you have a lot of people out there that are angry and want to come in a coalition to the anti-system forces.
		And we don't all agree on everything.
		Donald Trump, once again, he took a bullet to the head.
		Not simply survived and in the moment stood up like the gladiator he is.
		He then put a coalition together and won a landslide, held the House, won the Senate, won the President, won the popular vote, won all the battleground states, and let's throw in Nevada, the new battleground, another battleground state that we didn't win in 16.
		Okay?
		A mandate.
		Has the courts.
		Going to add to the courts because Elizabeth Warren is not going to get her judges through.
		So there are 47 slots there for the courts, folks.
		Trump won.
		And they're sitting there yammering.
		Let me be brutally frank.
		He took a bullet to the head and then won a landslide four months later.
		Never in world history has that happened.
		He gets to choose...
		The personnel and the government that he wants.
		The American people rendered a verdict.
		They put the forces that defend the system, the established order, made that order and that system and what they called democracy at the centerpiece of their campaign.
		They didn't hide it.
		They put it out there.
		Good on them.
		Abortion was up there, but their main drive was that these people are anti-democratic.
		They're fascists.
		They're Nazis.
		Trump's Caesar.
		Trump's Hitler.
		These people are deplorables.
		These people are fascists.
		They're brown shirts.
		They're garbage.
		That is what they said consistently.
		From the time he got to Mar-a-Lago in 2021, on the afternoon of January 20th, every day, and they had the system...
		Roll him up legally and financially.
		They cut off all his bank lines, all his credit cards.
		They othered him.
		And then indicted him in state courts in Georgia, in city courts in Manhattan, in federal courts in Florida, in New York, in Washington, D.C. on 92 charges.
		And they rigged a trial like the Moscow show trials in 1935 and found him guilty of 34 felonies.
		And they made this, this was the centerpiece of their campaign.
		And the American people rendered a verdict.
		This is very similar, if you've seen the movie Lincoln, to the incredibly powerful scene over the Emancipation Proclamation.
		He sits there and goes, look, it's an executive order.
		As you know, executive orders are like the travel ban.
		Or like getting out of the Paris Accord.
		Or all the things President Trump did on the border that Biden reversed on his first afternoon.
		He got rid of all of Trump's executive orders and flipped and put 80 of his.
		And this is why we have 15 million illegal alien invaders in the country.
	Lincoln told his cabinet, hey, at the time, my Attorney General Bates thought it was a little dicey.
	No, we had to kind of, you know, juggle some stuff.
	It's the reason I can only free the slaves in areas under rebellion.
	But, I gave the American people two years, two years, two years, to weigh and measure it, to turn it over in their mind.
	That the war wasn't simply about the Union, but the war was about ending human bondage and chattel slavery.
	That that was the higher calling of this war.
	And I gave them two years to think about it.
	I literally went to the people and gave them two years to think about it.
	And they rendered their verdict in 1864.
	In November.
	In an overwhelming victory of Lincoln versus McClellan, his general.
	Backed by the army that voted.
	Trump did the same thing.
	Trump and his candidacy came back and they made democracy the centerpiece of this.
	They made the system, Chris Hayes.
	You made the system and the entire system, Tom Nichols and Susan Glasser, you made it the centerpiece of your campaign.
	Regardless if it's Biden or Harris, this is why she said I wouldn't change anything because your system's players.
unidentified		The American people thought it over.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The American people turned it over in their mind and molded over.
		And in their great wisdom, The American people rendered a verdict.
		And that verdict was on 5 November in the year of our Lord, 2024.
		That verdict?
unidentified		We support the gladiator that leads the anti-system forces.
unidentified		We have seen this and we want that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That individual, that leader, that President of the United States, that Chief Executive of the U.S. Government, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, and yes, the Chief Magistrate of our country, Donald J. Trump, gets to choose the individuals that will be in his government.
		The Constitution lays out that the Senate has advice and consent.
		We're all open for advice.
unidentified		But we want their consent.
unidentified		There's no wiggle room here.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If you want to further this revolution of the anti-system forces, it's a sine qua non.
		Take a short break.
		Johnny Conn will take us out with American Heart.
unidentified		Take a look inside.
		Yes, I think you changed already.
		You went and lost your price.
chris hayes ▲ ● ▼		By successfully exploiting a key division among Americans, those who are for the system and those who are against it, broadly put.
		President-elect managed to build a narrow majority with what you might call an anti-system coalition.
		People who are angry at our government, resentful of our institutions because they feel they have been failed by them.
		And lots of people feel that for very good reason.
		And now he has chosen perhaps the most high-profile figure in the anti-system world for a top job in his cabinet.
		Of course, I'm talking about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
		That's Trump's new pick for Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services.
unidentified		Gates ought to have this job because he understands criminality, and therefore you ought to put him in charge of the Justice Department.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is trolling the United States.
unidentified		What's missing from this It's not just a question of competence and judgment.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's a question of seriousness.
unidentified		The U.S. government, like it or not, has an extraordinary influence and power.
		It reaches every part of our lives.
		Tens of millions of people work for government at one level or another.
		Where is the seriousness?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Where's the sense of stewardship?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		These are not just appointments meant to troll.
unidentified		These are appointments meant to affect our lives on a daily basis.
		I'm just struck by the lack of seriousness.
		Richard, I don't think you understand the nature of the project.
		The nature of the project is to destroy the government.
		The framework that we all have, which is, these are very important agencies, and they do very important work, and you need to make them better.
		Why are we taking that seriously?
		It was a week into the Trump administration in 2017 when Steve Bannon said the thing about, our goal is the deconstruction of the administrative state.
		That is what they are doing now.
		This is about tearing the government to pieces.
		That's the goal.
		That's what they're serious about.
		They're not serious about making it better.
		They're serious about tearing it down.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Remember, he said it's in every part of your life.
		This is the key point.
		It was never intended to be in every part of your life.
		Don't you guys get it?
		The framers in the revolutionary generation?
		It was always meant to be a limited government.
		That's how it was sold.
		It would never...
		The Constitution is a contract.
		It's a contract.
		Of a merger of equals that are not equal.
		You had little Delaware coupled with, you know, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.
		Those are the power players.
		Those are like the SEC conference.
		Power players who had all different thoughts about how things...
		Massachusetts, you know, it's like the English Civil War.
		They're the Puritans and Virginia are the Cavaliers.
		Oh, you know, University of Virginia is named the Cavaliers, right?
		A merger of equals.
		But the entire deal was a limited government and a focus on liberty and freedom and that individual initiative.
		Like, I don't know, carving out a great nation from a vast wilderness.
		Oh, and we don't want to be part of an oligarchy or an aristocracy or some worthless bunch of royals and elites in London calling the deal and corrupting commons.
		We say they own commons.
		We don't want that.
		And as a side note, we don't want monopolistic power where the same corrupt people can just give a charter to something like the British East India Company that controls everything.
		Make that work in India.
		We don't want it.
		That's back to every patriot grave to the founding of this republic.
		That is our DNA. No, sir.
		The fact that it's in every aspect of your life is exactly the problem.
		And Donald Trump is the solution.
		He's an armor-piercing shell.
		He's a blunt force instrument.
		He's giving the system blunt force trauma.
		And he gets to choose who is in his government.
		This is not even a question.
		It's march or die, and all of them get confirmed.
		If Trump puts them up, they get confirmed.
		If we have to have a showdown now with the Senate, let's have it now.
		What did Frankie Pantangelo say?
		Let's hit him while we're still strong.
		Not that I would make a mafia reference here, but all the lessons in the world are from the Godfather in the business world.
		We're not looking at this correctly.
		You have, and I'll throw Christy Noem in, you have five horsemen, the five horsemen of the deep state apocalypse.
		Right?
		Hegseth, Gates, Noem.
		Look at Christy Noem.
		Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard.
		Five of them.
		Their commonality is they are anti-system players.
		The system has to be restructured.
		The system has to be purged.
		The system has to be taken and rebuilt and rejuvenated.
		It's called creative destruction.
		From Schumpeter.
		It's the way capitalism works.
		And the government's not outside of capitalism.
		It's part of a capitalist system.
		That's gotten corrupted.
		That's turned into an oligarchy.
		It's as obvious as anything.
		And Chris Hayes, you are now in the unfortunate...
		This is Wagner the other night.
		Alex Wagner and Chris Hayes, finally...
	They've understood for a long time.
	These are smart people.
	But finally, Alex Wagner comes forward talking about the Vanity Fair piece about the war room.
	Right?
	And remember, it was at Snyder and Nichols.
	People were too bored.
	They don't know anything.
	Watch the War Room and look at the audience.
	Look at the live chat.
	They want that information.
	They live for that information.
	They feed off that information.
	They're not looking for entertainment.
	You think this show is easy to follow?
unidentified		Easy?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You think it's a lot of laughs?
		It's not.
		It's work.
		Because they're ready to work and they want to work because they understand they're saving their country.
		Your people want entertainment.
		Your people, because you never give them the facts.
		You give them a bunch of crap to begin with.
		They know it's crap.
		They say, hey, I might as well go, you know, get on FanDuel and let's bet on these.
		Is it a pass next or a run?
		Or would it be the costumes that come out for the, you know, the 50th award show that nobody cares about?
		Yes, the system is bred in circuses.
		The system takes away initiative.
		That's what they're yearning for.
		The African-American men and the Hispanic men in Danbury prison, that's what they're yearning for is a shot.
		You know what they're yearning for?
		You know what the working class, you know what they're yearning for?
		It's very simple.
		A piece of the action.
		They're not asking for a handout.
		They're not asking for everything.
		A piece of the action.
		If you change it and make the American America first and American citizens first, if you flip it on its head instead of they're the last and everything gets dumped on them, the taxes and the regulations and the crappy cities.
		Oh, and your kids got to go over to the Hindu Kush and watch patrol and they got to go defend the monarchs in Saudi Arabia.
		And they gotta get to 101st.
		Let's get a brigade of them up in Romania on the border of Ukraine.
		Let's get those kids from Indiana and from Chicago and from the Rio Grande Valley and from Los Angeles.
		Let's get them on the border of Ukraine and Romania, ready to go.
		Ready to defend that border and not the border down the Rio Grande.
		And that's why the folks in the Rio Grande voted for Trump.
		The system, Chris Hayes, Not only doesn't work, it destroys.
		It destroys.
		And your campaign was to destroy Donald Trump.
		Because you thought, if we can destroy Trump...
		One, we destroy him.
		Number two, we will send the greatest message in the world that if you stand up to the system, even if you've been President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and the Chief Magistrate of the American system, And someone worth $7 billion in a global media figure.
		Even if you've been all that, which in modernity is all-powerful, we can determine and the system will destroy you.
unidentified		And so if we can destroy you, who's going to stand up to that?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Who's going to stand up to that?
unidentified		Your mistake.
unidentified		Thank you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Is you misjudge his moral courage, because you don't think he has any, and his physical courage.
		His moral courage to understand like Cincinnatus, he will come back to save this republic as a leader.
		Knowing, consciously, conscious intention, not sleepwalking, conscious intention of my line of work.
		Trump.
		They're going to bankrupt me.
		They're going to try to destroy my family.
		And guess what?
		They're going to try to put me in prison.
		Imprison me.
		For the rest of my life.
		Because I'm 78 years old.
		In physical courage, when they try to assassinate him, Robert Kagan, that you, you, you asked for and begged for in the Washington Post and all over the media, Rachel Maddow.
		He stood up in the moment, in the defining moment of his presidency, in the defining moment of the age of Trump.
		He stood up with blood on him and gave, he says, let's go, fight, fight, fight.
		That will echo down in the history of this country, age upon age of what courage is.
		You want to know why young men voted for him?
		That's what they voted for, a leader, a gladiator, someone that a man can respect.
		And no, you did not break him, and the country weighed and measured it, and they get a say-so.
		And they voted for the anti-system team and they voted for the anti-system leader.
		the blunt force instrument that is Donald John Trump.
unidentified		Back in a moment.
unidentified		Here's your host, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to get a couple of clips in.
		Also, I want to make sure, I haven't put this up yet.
		Oh, I did on Getter.
		If we can go to Getter.
		We're going to do a little live producing here.
		I've got my trusty sidekick.
		Mo is here.
		Captain Bannon's here.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		I'm back.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		She's back.
		She's so excited when we have manager reviews on weekends.
		She was on the Tim Pool show last night.
		I know you didn't have time to tell the story, but when we had the press conference and the guy with the red beard...
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I meant to bring that up to them last night, that he claimed to be part of Tim Pool's team.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, not claimed.
		The buried lead is your cousin, who used to be my body man, who was fantastic.
		He's now got a real job.
		So I have security, and they go, there's a hundred reporters out there.
		And they go, hey, there's one guy out there we think is a plant or think is a bad guy.
		And my security goes, we're not going to let you go out until then.
		I go, fine.
		So my nephew goes out.
		Who used to be my body man.
		He's fantastic.
		He goes out.
		He comes back in and says, no, it's all cool.
		It's all cool.
		I go, fine.
		So I go out.
		I take Tim Miller's question.
		Tim Miller of MSNBC. People got to remember, Tim Miller was the RNC spokesman.
		I first started this journey back with Andrew in, I guess, 09.
		Yeah, 09 with the Tea Party, 09, when I first met Andrew.
		Tim Miller then, a couple of years later, I think, became spokesman for the RNC. Tim Miller, the vicious one on MSNBC. So we always ask him, is it pearls or pukas?
		Is it puka shells or pearls that he's wearing?
		So he gets the first question.
		The second one, I'm asking some woman, I don't know, from Associated Press, and the guy stands up and makes a thing.
		And, of course, he's there to disrupt.
		It's fine.
		Although, at first, I thought he had a.357 with him, so I thought it was the end of days.
unidentified		But...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So he's escorted out.
		And then afterwards, I sit there and go with my nephew.
		I go, yo, dude.
		How did we miss a guy in a red suit with a fake beard and a bandana?
		I mean, he looked like a...
		When the guy stood up, he's like 6'3".
		He looks like a clown, but he looks like a dangerous clown.
		I said, how did we miss that?
		How do you miss...
		And he says, oh, I went out and talked to him directly.
		I go, then tell me, how did you miss it?
		How did you miss this guy as a provocateur and not a journalist?
		He goes, oh, he told me he was a correspondent for Tim Pool.
		Wow.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		Which he is not, clearly.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		He's not.
		He's not.
		I heard it went very well last night.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		It did.
		It was a very good conversation.
		We talked about multiple topics to include.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Did they have other guests?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, it was just...
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was some of Tim Pool's team and then myself.
unidentified		Just you?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Just you?
		Wow.
		Oh, Grace.
		Whoa, you're booked in panels.
		Whoa.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there were four of us sitting there talking.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, but it was his team, but no outside people.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		Mm-mm.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		All people that take part into Tim Pool's organization.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You and Grace ought to do it together one time.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		We had mentioned that to them.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		It was a previous booker at Tim Pool that didn't like that idea.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they've restructured that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I think you run that back to the park.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		We have, but some of the stuff that we discussed last night, and you've talked about this morning, you know, about the left melting down over President Trump's cabinet picks, and he can pick whoever he wants, but like you said, and I think that you looked at my Twitter this morning when you said that purge comment, but...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yo, you accusing me of lifting?
		Only Grace can tell me that.
		Because Grace sees it.
		Only Grace can tell me that.
		It's called an homage.
		If I lift your stuff...
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		Great minds think alike.
		So I'm just going to go with that.
		Like father, like daughter.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I'm not looking for a co-star, okay?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're the CEO. Like father, like daughter.
		But like I was saying last night that...
		These picks are going to purge the rot that is in D.C. And the left is melting down because the jig is up.
		You can't get away with what you were before and you can't go along to get along anymore here in D.C. And that's why they are so upset is because they know that it's coming to an end.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So the audience in the live chat is saying, hey Steve, can you shut up and let Mo talk?
		I guess they are looking for a co-star.
		We need more distribution platforms.
		Let's put up, do we have the Financial Times of London?
		My Financial Times of London hard copy I took with me down to Palm Beach and it's somewhere, but I don't have it on me.
		And I want to put it up.
		Read that headline.
		The headline says everything.
		The left is melting down, but they have no power right now.
		Please understand this.
		They're not relevant.
		We control the House, the Senate, small majorities.
		The only thing holding us back are ourselves.
		And if I can reiterate this just one more time.
		If it was not for Trump...
		You wouldn't have held the House.
		It was not for Trump.
		You wouldn't take a majority of the Senate.
		This is why McConnell kind of had to go.
		But he got his guy Thune in there.
		And Thune's kind of...
		Axios' headline is called the Thune Swoon.
		Because here in the Imperial Capital, when you say system anti-system, the established order and the Reiner Republicans, they are all in it together.
		They're crying great saltiers down here at the Capitol Grill and all the places where the lobbyists hang out and drink.
		Right, Mo?
		They're all there.
		And look at the headline.
		Kind of Thune is their salvation for the system.
		I think, and President Trump gave a huge shout-out to Mike Johnson.
		He's got Mike Johnson back 100%.
		To our beloved president, I disagree with this because he ain't ever going to be there on anything that's ever tough.
		They're going to have a main and one excuses.
		But the only thing holding us back ourselves, the Democrats have no power.
		We're arguing amongst ourselves whether we can get Republicans to vote for Trump's confirmation.
		It shouldn't even be a question.
		And everybody should understand if you vote against this, you've signed your political career death warrant.
		Your career will be over.
		And then we've got to go up into Maine and dig out Susan Collins.
		And in Alaska, you've got to get rid of this ranked choice voting.
		And you've got to get Murkowski.
		Murkowski's a Democrat.
		Or anybody else that joins him.
		A guy's going there smack-talking him.
		Do we have the Fox Cuts?
		The other thing, the Murdoch's got to understand.
		I think it'd be best if the Murdoch's got with the program because...
		These cabinet secretaries are going to be the cabinet secretaries.
		And Matt Gaetz, as Attorney General, and the team they put around that's been announced is an amazing team already.
		And he will be the quarterback.
		So it's going to happen.
		So don't try your cute stuff by using your puppets like Kilmeade and Trey Gowdy.
		Do we have the Trey Gowdy clip?
		Let's go ahead and play it.
bret baier ▲ ● ▼		Trey, you know, I had Senator Thune on, the incoming Senate majority leader yesterday, and he basically said, listen, it's not going to be easy.
		Some of these picks are not going to be easy to get through.
		But there is this mandate just by the vote that there is a feeling that Republican senators in particular, most of them, want to give the president what he wants.
		Some of them will be tough.
trey gowdy ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the overwhelming majority of his picks will sail through because they were Grand Slam picks.
		But to Molly's point, you don't root out corruption at the Department of Justice by picking a corrupt person to lead it.
		So Matt Gaetz, either the report comes out and he's not going to be the Attorney General or the report doesn't come out and he's not going to be the Attorney General.
		I mean, the problem, Brett, is all the good picks, John Lee Radcliffe, Elise Stefanik, Lee Zeldin, Mike Waltz, all the good picks, nobody's talking about those right now.
		They're talking about this wildcard pick of someone who had to get out of the House to avoid being sanctioned by the House Ethics Committee.
		That dumbfounding pick is just sucking the oxygen out of all the good ones he made.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So Trey Gowdy, and by the way, he was, to go back in time, on the beginning of the Russia collusion, the Russia hoax, Paul Ryan, who hates Trump, is on the board of Fox.
		Forrest Devin Nunes, who was Kash Patel's boss.
		So the cast of characters over there, Kash Patel was the lead counsel.
		The chief investigator and the kind of chief of staff was Colonel Derrick Harvey.
		So we've all worked together for a long time.
		So you have Cash, you have Derrick Harvey.
		And Devin Nunez, who runs True Trump Media, was the head of the Intelligence Committee, a fantastic guy.
		He, because he was an ally of ours, was removed by Paul Ryan.
		He said he had conflict.
		Recused him.
		Forced him to recuse.
		And in the place, he put Trey Gowdy, who was on the committee, against Shifty Shift and Swalwell.
		And I had the pleasure of spending, I don't know, 20 hours being grilled by these guys, looking for perjury traps all the time, being grilled.
		And the worst was Trey Gowdy.
		He was trying to dig up stuff on Trump.
		Trey Gowdy is a traitor.
		He's a horrible person.
		Perfect person to be the Murdoch's running dog.
		The question I've got, you talk about a house.
		Trey Gowdy, you left the house like in the middle of the night as a rising quote-unquote star.
		You left like in the middle of the night.
		Why did Trey Gowdy step down?
		You did not take a judgeship.
		You did not take a U.S. attorney.
		You did not take that job.
		You did not take being a judge.
		You didn't go to a big law firm to make money.
		And, you know, why did you leave so quickly?
		I'm asking for a friend.
		We'd like to know that.
		Before you start attacking Gates, why did you leave the house?
		What was it to leave the house?
		Now, there's lots of rumors about why you left the house.
		Of course, here at the War Room, we would never...
		Traffic and rumors.
		So we want to hear from you.
		But you didn't take being a judge, which would be an obvious choice.
		You didn't check being a U.S. attorney or attorney for the government, which would have been an obvious choice.
		You didn't take going for a big law firm and getting a payday, right?
		You kind of put your shingle up, kind of wandered around.
		Why would anybody do that?
		So why don't you explain that first, and then we can hear what you got to say about Gates.
		And look at Trey Getty.
		He goes through all the standards.
unidentified		Look, Stefanik's good.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Lisa, it's all good.
		But that's standard stock Republican.
		They're not guys going to bust the system up.
		They're not players.
		They're good people.
		Lisa Stefanik, I think, will step up.
		She did a great job, I think, over the U.N., particularly if she gets into the engine room of Geneva.
		Could be terrific.
		And, you know, Waltz, they always want to go back to the Republican playback.
		The Republican Party did not win this election.
		Donald Trump and MAGA, and MAGA has now increased, and guess what?
		We got some former ex-Democrats.
		That's how you get to two-thirds of the country.
		The Republicans are trying to get you back concentrated so you're always a minority party.
		We're not going back there.
		Your guys' days are over of running this.
		That's why Trump controls the Republican Party, the Republican Party, essentially the MAGA Party.
		And the Murdoch's got to get through their thick heads.
		They don't call the shots anymore.
		You're not shot callers.
		You hate Trump.
		You try to stop Trump.
		Heck, they got a thing in Woodward's book how one of the boys had a fundraiser in October of 22.
		We're fighting tooth and nail to take the House or the country's over.
		They give a fundraiser for the Democrats and have Biden there.
		That's in print and never been refuted by the Murdochs.
		Trey Gowdy, before you start going off my man Gates and the president's man Gates, the next attorney general of these United States, please answer for the audience.
		Why did you leave so quickly?
		Why are you not a judge?
		Why are you not a U.S. attorney?
		Why didn't you go to a big law shirt?
		Why did you just hang a shingle up?
		Why?
		Why?
		You put to bed a lot of the rumors around town on why you left, bro.
		I'm just asking for a friend.
		Can you do that?
		Can the Fox PR department do that?
		Can we do that first?
		Can we clean up your mess first before we start going after Gates?
		Who's going to be, if President Trump's picking, going to be the Attorney General?
		Short break.
		I promise, I commit to you, that Captain Maureen Van is actually going to get to speak the show.
unidentified		Thanks, honey.
		Short break.
		Back to work.
		Here's your host, Stephen K. Van.
		Welcome back.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to let Mo speak.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		She's going to do the reads.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Your hesitancy here is that if they were Army Special Forces, are they Green Berets or Special Forces?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Rangers, you've always had a problem that Tasia's a SEAL. You're always saying SEALs are too Hollywood.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're one big happy family until December 14th when Army beats Navy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Is Army 9-0?
unidentified		Yes.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		The first time since, I believe, the 1990s that they've been 9-0.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I think it's the 1990s.
unidentified		I think it's 1995, I believe.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was back to the 40s, like with the Touchdown Twins.
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		Do we have the Axios?
		Can we put that up?
		Axios got an amazing story.
		I put it up on my getter.
		And if Grace can put it up on Twitter for the War Room, we will – this gets down to the complexity of what this audience is perfect for.
		The complexity of how you actually – how Elon and Vivek are going to find $2 trillion or $1 trillion, whatever it is, on an annual basis, not this 10-year anniversary.
		I think the first thing Elon's done is very smart.
		In his talks with people, he says, hey, don't give me the 10-year budget.
		That's a gimmick from a system.
		The system gives you these projected 10-year budgets, and when they talk about trillions, this is what McCarthy tried to sell us on.
		You know, when he got bounced.
		That, oh, this is the greatest amount of cuts ever.
		It was like $2.5 trillion cuts, but it was all fantasy cuts in the out years, which will never happen.
		Never happen.
		And they were in the business of selling that because they thought voters were morons.
		Well, that's not the case.
		Here, it talks about what they're going to try to do up front, but it connects it to the appropriations process, which I've said, hey, is central to this.
		That's why there's going to be some turbulence.
		Because we've got 37 trillion of debt, we're adding a trillion dollars every 100 days, right?
		You've got the interest, you know, they're refinancing one-third of the debt every year, and they're financing it short-term.
		So major structural changes have to take place.
		We're going to have turbulence.
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		Also, because we're very, you know, the way we drive victories is you're at the ramparts.
		Because your voice is heard.
		And man, it is going to be heard in these confirmations.
		So you have to have the ability to focus.
		The last thing we want is somebody to have a second mortgage taken out of their home because their title was taken or people got access to it.
		That's what home title lock, the operant word there being lock, is about.
		And now they've got Natalie Dominguez who does information and education over there.
		Just go to hometitlelock.com slash Bannon once again and go check that out.
		And Paradigm Press.
		Jim Rickards.
		I love Rickards.
		Fabulous contributor.
		It's...
		What is it?
		24...
		What is it?
		The code number, Mo?
		Is...
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		Meltdown24.com.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Meltdown24.com.
		They have a landing page with all their...
		He's got newsletters.
		They've got specialty newsletters.
		He's got one he puts out every month.
		If you want to get more inside baseball, this guy called the election.
		He and his analysts called the election to a T. Rickards is one of the smartest guys I've ever met.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say that, but I might be a little biased.
		I think you're the smartest guy I've ever met.
		But then Jim Rickards is a close second.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		You know, Mo Bannon, CEO. It's bonus time.
		It's pitching hard, but I like that.
		That's duly noted in your annual review.
		We need more of that.
		I'm just kidding.
		So the records.
		And once again, you have access to the senior guys over there.
		Paradigm Press is fantastic.
		You go to Meltdown24, and you get access to his books.
		I came across Jim Rickards on Currency Wars back, I don't know, a decade ago, right?
		Just a brilliant guy, and he's been such a great contributor to the show.
		We really, really love him.
		Anybody else?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		So I went back and looked about the Army-Navy.
		So in 1949, Army was 9-0.
		Thank you.
		Thank you, Captain.
		Not 1995.
		No, 1996, they were 10-2.
		They went 9-0 and then lost the 10th game.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So they were 9-0 in 95?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		In 96.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		One of the reasons, Moe was on the volleyball team that either won the conference championship or went to the playoffs and lost the conference championship and eventually went to the first female team Division I sport that ever went to the NCAAs.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're a first a year, right?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		In 2009.
		First time in volleyball.
		And the program history as well that we went to.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Program history.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But also of any women's sport.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think any other women's sport at West Point had gone.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Had gone to that.
		Pretty extraordinary.
		But my point to that was that we had to sit through some pretty lean years.
		And Army football against Navy.
		That was the golden age of Navy football.
		One of the golden ages.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		All four years.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You lost to Army-Navy all four years.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		All four years.
		And actually the first year that I saw Army beat Navy was when President-elect Donald J. Trump was at the Army-Navy game in 2016.
		We saw a victory for the first time in 15 years.
unidentified		Wow.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼		So President Trump, we want another victory.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		Yeah, because Biden won't go.
		Trump will probably go now as president.
		Okay.
		Second hour, short break.
		Billy Strings.
		Some people in the chat are some people saying, man, Billy Strings on the cover of Johnny Cash's When the Man Comes Around from the Book of Revelation.
		Short break.
		Back in a moment.
unidentified		The whirlwind is in the palm trees.

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