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Nov. 7, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 447: Victory Day; Action Moving Into The Next 4 Years Cont.
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mike lindell
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natalie winters
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richard baris
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steve bannon
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room.
Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Democrats are freaking out for these polls over the weekend that put Trump up in a bunch of the battleground states.
In 2016, when you were intimately involved in the campaign, Donald Trump stood up at the convention and said, I am your voice!
And now Trump says...
I am your retribution.
I am your retribution.
Backward-looking, vengeful, grievance-driven.
You know that the way people win in America is to talk about the future.
They talk about the future.
They talk about the future.
Stop.
steve bannon
I'm so...
We're sick of people saying elections about the future.
That is total ****.
unidentified
The voters?
steve bannon
It's about the lived experience of the voters.
Because the lived experience of their life sucks.
And the reason it sucks is a **** unfeeling uniparty in Washington, D.C. that says, go **** yourself.
You're nothing but serfs and we don't give a **** about you.
unidentified
Except every four years.
steve bannon
Donald Trump cares about them?
They respond to Trump.
And they look back at Trump's presidency and said, hey, my wages were higher, inflation was lower, we weren't at wars all over the place, maybe the guy's a jerk, but he's a badass and the world fears him.
He's a badass?
unidentified
All he does is complain about people.
A whiny, vengeful, backward-looking billionaire.
That's forward-looking.
Right, that's forward-looking.
steve bannon
We're going to take on the administrative state that's driven this country into the ground.
unidentified
To Claire's point about what the Democratic Party is perceived as, the Democratic Party is now the party of college-educated, the college-educated professional class.
It's not just perceived that way, it is.
It's a largely coastal elite party with a bunch of, some of them very well-meaning, some of them very progressive, but many of them very condescending.
A college-educated toffee-nosed gets, as they would call them in Britain.
And Donald Trump, the realignment that has happened to the parties now is that the Republican Party is comprised of the working class and the non-college, what we call the non-college voters, right?
It's more non-college white than it is non-college black, certainly, but now it's apparently a lot of non-college Latinos.
But that is the main dividing line.
The sorting in our politics now is not primarily on the basis of race or income.
It's on the basis of, and there is correlation between income and college education, but it's education is how our whole coalitions are now divided.
That's a huge thing Democrats have to deal with because there's all this cultural baggage that there's a huge amount of cultural positivity attached to college and a huge amount of cultural negativity If you attach to college, if you don't go to college.
steve bannon
Okay, Wednesday 6, November 2024.
I got it right this time.
Second hour of our late afternoon, early evening show.
Right there's John Heilman, one of the big analysts at MSNBC. The first...
It was when I was in Las Vegas, and we were shooting this show, The Circus.
In fact, that turned out to be the last episode after five years.
They told us afterwards, Carrie Lake and myself.
But Hyman was sitting right there, and man, beating up Trump.
We're awful.
We're racist, nativists, you know, the whole thing, the whole deal.
Then yesterday, oh, you know, the problem with the Democratic Party is it's these coastal elites, and these guys have done such a good job at turning it into a working-class party.
This is why everything that comes up on MSNBC and CNN is just performative, right?
It's all just a—it's an act.
They're not serious.
They're not serious people because they can flip-flop.
Right there, I told them, I said, hey, the lived experience is so awful.
This is why Trump's going to win.
I think this was in the spring, early spring, and man, maybe in January or February.
It was November of last year.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
Wow, it was a year before.
How pressing is that?
Pretty good.
Thoughts?
natalie winters
That is essentially the audio video sister piece to the Vanity Fair article and why I say that it's something we hit on yesterday.
For how many years did they smear this movement as nativist, xenophobic, racist, right?
But all those ad hominem attacks, of course, addition to the robust censorship and pre-bunking all the ways that they tried to come for this movement, they always knew from the get-go that those criticisms were not founded, were not true.
steve bannon
Boom.
natalie winters
And that's why when you read that Vanity Fair piece, do you see the word racist in there?
I did a command-F search for racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot, every word of the book.
steve bannon
The reporter got it.
natalie winters
And you see it.
They admitted, they said, we were wrong.
The German Marshall Fund, which, by the way, is the same group that's writing op-eds in foreign policy today, saying that we need to send more money to Ukraine before Trump is back in office.
But they knew they were wrong and they lied to the American people about it.
And that's the idea of justice and retribution.
That is the cornerstone.
That is the bedrock of where that comes from.
It's not that they ideologically differed with us.
They differed with us on loving this country and putting this country first.
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
Fantastic.
Stick right here.
My co-host, Natalie Winters.
Mike Lindell.
We're going to talk about Mar-a-Lago.
We're going to talk about all these charts coming out now about the missing votes of Kamala Harris.
But I want to go first to your assessment of John Holman, the credential class, because you're kind of a working class guy.
You built up MyPillow from the trunk of your car at these swap meets into a billion dollar company.
What's your assessment of Holman?
mike lindell
Steve, I'm not real familiar with what myth right now.
Is that what you just showed?
I'm kind of coming into this blindsided.
steve bannon
Yeah, it was called the cold open.
You didn't get a chance to see it?
You're too focused on your notes?
You're focused on your notes to sell some pillows?
Is that what you're telling me?
mike lindell
No, my phone was glitching here.
I'm on the road without my camera, and my phone was glitching, but...
So that's where I'm at on that.
steve bannon
What I had is, you remember, I think you were with us.
It was Carrie Lake, myself.
I think it was you.
It was Tim Miller had his pearls on, his pukas, and John Holman, they were attacking us in Las Vegas.
mike lindell
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I did see that.
steve bannon
Yeah.
mike lindell
Yeah, no, I did see that part of that.
steve bannon
They're talking about how Trump's victory, and now they understand Trump's victory is because working class and middle class people, their lived experience is terrible right now because of the economy and the culture and all of it.
And that's why they voted to throw the bums out yesterday.
And they're going through all of these kind of big assessments over at MSNBC and CNN. And now it's become aware, oh, but before, a year before, gosh, it took place in November of last year.
They were ripping my face off because the working class, they said, you guys are racist, you're nativist, you know, it's the Mike Lindell crazies, right?
And, you know, the people that buy the MyPillows, you're the worst people on earth.
Now all of a sudden, oh my gosh, how did you guys do this?
And you kind of control the country and all these credentialed, and he said very snooty people.
You know, full of derision, coastal elites, the credential class from universities are not what we can build a party around.
Your thoughts, sir?
mike lindell
Yeah, well, they're looking for excuses, but we all know in 2020 that we also won then.
Steve, I'm surprised, you know, they're looking for excuses of why they lost, but I'm actually surprised that she got as many votes as she did.
I think that's the biggest surprise.
You know, they're...
Coming after, I was watching until the wee hours of the morning, I was watching MSNBC and CNN and just the excuse that they're trying to come up with and their campaign calling us Nazis.
I was the first one called a Nazi because I used a price on a pillow that actually meant Hail Hitler or some crazy thing.
It's just nonsensical what they're doing.
steve bannon
Oh, no, no, no, no.
You had—no, no, no, no.
No, Mike, stop.
You had your price.
I was actually in prison when this came out.
So I never watch Fox.
No, we never watch Fox, but Fox is on all the time on one of the prison TVs.
And so my staff sends me news stories every day.
It was Mike Lindell.
It had this story.
Mike Lindell secretly codes a Hitler code.
And I go, Mike Lindell.
I looked and I had him send me the story because you can't get online there.
And it was 1488.
natalie winters
It's kind of a brilliant marketing tactic.
steve bannon
The 14 words of some white nationalist thing plus 88 is like Hitler's code for some, I don't know, what he did on 88.
It was very confusing, 1488.
And I'm sitting there watching the Fox thing, and Mike Lindell's out there, hey, our new thing, and it's got 1488.
I go, oh my god, he's got the Nazi code.
mike lindell
Well, the media attacked me then and they go, are you going to apologize for this?
And I said, oh, I'm going to apologize, all right?
I'm going to put the queen size on sale for $18.88 and the king size on sale for $19.88.
That was my apology.
steve bannon
I want to go to something that you talked about, and you and Tucker talked about that.
It's been blowing up our staff last night, and I've been ripping on this.
In 2008, when he first ran Barack Obama, President Barack Obama got 69 million votes, and that's the most anyone had ever gotten.
His second time, because Hope and the Change, I made a film with Pat Cadillac and Dave Bossie.
went around the country, told me it was six months, called The Hope and the Change, We interviewed people who voted for Obama, who said they were not going to vote for him for the second time.
He had a $3 million drop.
He got $66 million in 2012.
Then Hillary Clinton, I think she got 65 million, 65 or 66 when she ran against President Trump.
They did beat us on the popular vote, although President Trump has never conceded that one.
Then you had Biden, 81 million votes.
And now you've got Kamala Harris looks like it's going to be around 66 million votes.
I'm not sure all of Californians count it, but 66.
And they do these charts and they say, which one does not look like the other?
This is my point, Mike Lindell.
The 81 million votes, and by the way, Trump got 74 million real votes against the 81, right?
And I believe President Trump, my crack staff, I think President Trump is closing in on 73 to 74 million, right, even as we speak.
So, Mike, is this the beginning of a real investigation of the big steel?
mike lindell
Yeah, it really is, Steve.
I was talking to Tucker about an hour ago, and he You know, it took a couple years for Tucker to come over and say, hey, we've got to get rid of the electronic voting machines, as you've seen Elon come on board this summer in June.
Well, this is really easy for everyone to understand.
You have 16 million added votes.
There is no apparatus or cabal of people, the number of people that could sit there and fill out by hand 16 million ballots.
But I'll tell you, Hold it.
One press of a button on a computer, and boom!
There it is, our program.
So you're absolutely right.
All the stuff that my team gathered over the last three and a half years, I believe now that it's all going to come out.
You have cases all over Georgia against Crooked Brad Rasenberger, the Uniparty, and that case has been sitting there since last January 9th.
All these cases, of course, the judges are going to wait until after the election because they have fear.
I believe they have fear.
They're trapped.
How are they going to come out with this when they hacked in with a ballpoint pen and flipped an election on January 9th right in front of the Obama-appointed judge?
She's going, oh, now what am I going to do?
Well, you have to wait until after the election.
I believe it's all gonna come out.
And Steve, interesting enough, last night, well now it's this morning, five o'clock this morning, I was in the back of the arena and I had political, the Washington Post, I think some other outlet, maybe the New York Times, they're all surrounding me with all their microphones.
They go, well, Mike, what are you gonna do now?
Do you think this election was stolen?
And what are you gonna do now?
Are you gonna keep talking about elections?
I said, I promised you guys, I said, I'm never ever going to get up.
132 countries have banned electronic voting machines and over 100 countries have banned early voting and mail-in voting.
We have, during this election, the worst election platform in the history of the world.
I told them all, and then I thanked them, Steve.
I said, I want to thank all of you for attacking me every day in my company relentlessly for three and a half years because we were able to get the word out through the attacks that we were still all on board with this insurance.
Our election's as secure as we could because we didn't have Fox, I don't say nothing, news.
And they're going, you know, I said, you guys were as much a part of this win as anybody with all your attacks because people are on to you.
And it's the opposite of what you fake news have been saying.
And we're able to get the word out.
So they didn't like that comment.
They kind of just went on their way.
But I want to let everybody know we're not...
steve bannon
But hang on.
Hang on.
Let's take the election yesterday.
And clearly there was...
The RNC and Bill McGinley, these guys, are going to court being much more aggressive under Whatley.
But if you see the entire election, you have spent...
Better part of the last four years.
You try to get machines out, etc.
But at some point in time, you said, hey, we're going to work with these other guys and train up people to be election officials, election judges, poll workers, poll watchers.
I talked to Kobach yesterday.
You've got a whole data center that's like a rapid response force.
Do you believe the efforts that you did, not only getting out the vote, but I'm talking about the election integrity side, coupled with other groups that RNC had done, including Mitchell and Catherine Engelbrecht and just all these different groups, that yesterday, not only was it relatively safe, Right?
Or at least it appears to be, and I understand Milwaukee, etc.
But that we're able to get and secure a victory for our beloved president and do it really by 11 o'clock at night.
I mean, Associated Press slow-walked this again, right, to make sure Trump was talking to people at 3 o'clock in the morning because they could have called Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin much sooner.
So what is your net assessment?
Given four years, and we understand you hated early voting, we weren't crazy about it, but clearly it worked to our advantage this time, sir.
mike lindell
Yeah, absolutely.
This was a time in history where it did work, and it's only going to work once.
And the reason it worked, Steve, I've really looked at this, you know, when everybody turned, and you know that you and I even had this conversation about almost a year ago, You know, for me to get on board with that.
I said, it's harder for them to steal on game day.
But I did say, hey, everybody, you know, I said, yeah, we do have to swamp the vote.
And I said, but I had another plan.
Grab your mail-in ballot.
Don't open it.
When you go to vote in person, if they say you've already voted, you pull it out and say, no, I haven't.
It becomes identity theft.
We were able to grab them all over the country.
And we have all that that we need to move forward.
But Steve, I will tell you this.
And this is when...
I might have even said it when you were in prison.
One of the things that happened with this mail-in voting, with the mail-in voting, is that it created a narrative out there.
There were spots, like in North Carolina, where you had more Republicans that voted than Democrats, and how were they going to steal it on game day yesterday, going, you know what, the Democrats, for the first time in history, they came out in droves on Election Day.
You would have had to change a whole paradigm and make people believe that.
And so I think they were trapped.
I think it took them by surprise that the whole RNC and all of Turning Point, everybody did a flip-flop and said, hey, we're going to go out and we're going to battle.
We're going to do what they do and we're going to do all this.
But I do believe that in the future, everybody does know the safest, most secure country.
Election in history is what the RNC voted in a year ago, their resolution.
Same day voting, paper ballots, hand counted, voter ID, and signature required.
Now, will we get there within four years?
We don't know.
We don't know the future, but we're going to keep trying because we need to be the gold standard of Of elections to the world.
But I will say that if I was looking at what if I was evil's marketer, I would have had a hard time marketing this and make it believable last night that, hey, shut them all down again.
And this is election crime 2.0.
The public would not have stood for it.
Because I'll tell you another thing we have now that we didn't have then is that our voices have gotten up.
A hundred times.
Steve, if you remember back in January of 21, when I got my first evidence, there was very few shows that would have me on other than The War Room.
And out there, I'm out sounding the alarm and planting these seeds back then.
But we only had just a few outlets that would even talk about I think we're in a great place and I think it actually worked at this time in history.
steve bannon
Tell me about Mar-a-Lago.
You've been down with the president.
unidentified
Talk to me about his spirit.
steve bannon
How was it last night?
You've been up close and personal with him over at the Mar-a-Lago event.
And where's his head at right now?
mike lindell
Yeah, well, you know, he had one of the calmest demeanors I've ever seen since I've known him all day yesterday.
And just a calm confidence, everybody.
And that's the way we all felt.
It was very different.
Like I say, I can't describe it any better than a very calm confidence.
And everybody had that.
It wasn't like 16 where everybody was just going crazy and, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they...
And then when you got to the, as things progressed, there was no anxiety or no worry.
It was very, at least for me and for the people around me and when I see him with the president.
So it was a really surreal feeling.
In 2020, it was like, you could just feel that something was going to happen.
It was just different.
It was like, it was a feeling that you can't, I still can't, I don't even like going back to, but obviously we needed 2020 to happen, to manifest to everything we know now over the last four years.
But that's the best way I could describe it.
And I think, now was he tired after working 65 days in a row without a day off?
And You know what?
Any normal days, but he still had his energy and he still had his, you know, I probably got up, I think he was up to maybe four hours sleep.
And so I can't say I've never seen a guy with that much energy in that much.
steve bannon
No, it's unbelievable.
Mike, before you bounce, sell us a pillow.
mike lindell
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steve bannon
Leticia James is out today in a throwdown against Trump.
Trump gets sentenced in state court on the 26th, I think three weeks from today.
She comes out all puffed up about what she's going to do and everything like that.
Is the Attorney General in Minnesota still all over your charity?
mike lindell
Yeah, well, you were in.
Yeah, he attacked.
They've added to it now.
They've attacked my foundation, my outreach program.
The first one they went after was the LendellRecoveryNetwork.org, which helps addicts.
And he's went after that one.
Steve, that's gotten really a little complex.
The IRS added, by the way, added two more years to my other audits.
And so, once again, I mean, maybe they'll let up now that the election's over.
But I don't see it happening anytime soon.
I think they're very, very upset with me that I never shut up about the election of 2020 and all elections going forward.
Oh, and by the way, Steve...
steve bannon
Okay, one more time.
mike lindell
By the way...
By the way, I want to say they even attacked my election crime bureau, everybody.
They turned that over to the FBI. So I'm expecting them to come any day now and take my other phone that I have.
I've been avoiding fast food drive-thrus this week, Steve.
steve bannon
Unreal.
Mike, one more time, where do people go to check all this out?
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steve bannon
Mike Lindell, great trip down to Palm Beach.
Everybody we knew that went down there had just a spectacular time.
And of course, ending up with a big victory.
So thank you very much for being our man on the scene.
unidentified
Does this make any sense, the differences?
steve bannon
You got the 68 million, the 66 million, the 66 with Obama, he dropped three, two or three million.
You got the 66 with Hillary Clinton, 81 with Joe Biden, 66 with Kamala Harris.
unidentified
Well, we've made them...
steve bannon
It shows you the Democrats can get around 60, mid-60s in main votes, except one year they got, one cycle they got 81 million.
natalie winters
With all of the discussion that you've seen on MSNBC, they're not talking about turnout, which is the largest variable that they should be talking about.
We force them to have to say that we're the party of the coastal elites.
Have you ever heard them admit to that, right?
That's saying the quiet part out loud because they don't want to have that discussion.
I just saw a piece in The Atlantic just popped, the headline, blame Biden, right?
It's going to be a blame game that is everything except them facing the fact that the reason why these voters didn't show up It's because they weren't voters.
They weren't votes.
They weren't ballots.
It was fraud.
steve bannon
There was no way to do it because there was nothing there.
natalie winters
And I think it's a testament to this audience and our poll watchers.
They knew they couldn't get away with what they did in 2020.
unidentified
That's...
steve bannon
That's a testament to the posse, the turnout.
And the Mike Lindells and the Catherine Engelbergs and the Cleo Mitchell's, all of those different groups, the RNC, that train people.
natalie winters
The consent decree, too, I think.
steve bannon
Well, we expired.
unidentified
And can I just say, Romney McDaniel's gone.
Wow.
steve bannon
That was always a crutch.
mike lindell
Um...
steve bannon
We're here on a Wednesday.
It's the day after.
And President Trump's already starting to pull his team together.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Natalie and I will return in the world in just a moment.
unidentified
Oh, I'm in love with her and I won't apologize.
Oh!
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
steve bannon
One of the reasons, and we're talking to Mike Lindell, is one of the reasons that This went as smoothly as possible, I guess one could imagine.
And there's still some issues out of Carrie Lake.
Maybe we'll talk about that in a second.
Richard Barris may join us.
Carrie Lake is in a dogfight out in Arizona.
I think she's 59,000 votes down, but there's over a million, slightly over a million still outstanding.
And people feel that Charlie Kirk's team, some other analytical people we know think there's maybe a possibility she could win that.
So we're following that closely.
But the Bill McGinley, Mike Davis, Boris Epstein, and others, and Watley, who had these election integrity teams People volunteered to be poll workers.
You had lawyers ready to go.
You had two different sides of selection integrity.
And yes, there were problems.
The one thing I noticed is as soon as there was a problem, people were taking videos of it.
Folks were getting the word out on social media.
And then lawyers went into court.
All of that led over that last week as intensity built up, I think, to something that's, you know, pretty close to people saying, okay, none of us like the election month, right?
We all like game day voting, but that gives them more opportunities to kind of, like they did in Maricopa County in 22, mess with things.
One of the things President Trump—and the difference now in being prepared is kind of a little bit like we were in 16.
In 16, we were kind of self-organizing, but we had a pretty good ground game that turned out, 63.5 million votes.
But we also had lawyers who were ready, who were on point and ready to go to file, and particularly— We knew there would be controversy in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
We didn't need to do that, but we were ready to go.
In 2020, you got the exact opposite.
Now, I have heard through the grapevine that Pat Cipollone, they're considering him for attorney general.
Now, far be it from me to get in these fights over who's going to do what and where.
You know, I'll give my two cents, but we get more than enough to do here.
We're the media information warfare arm, special forces for the Trump movement.
natalie winters
State-run media?
steve bannon
State-run media.
So we try to say this, but how possibly, and one of my concerns is maybe some of the people associated with coming in and they're trying to help, and they're trying to help President Trump And there's a lot of good people, and they come from divergent things, Wall Street and other things, but maybe you don't know the history.
One of the reasons that the president had such a difficult time in that time from, was it November 3rd of 2020, to the time that Boris is sitting on the tarmac and President Trump's going wheels up On around noon on the 20th of January 2025, that, you know, 80 days or 90 days, was that the lawyers weren't on top of things.
They had a horrific group of lawyers.
And Pat Cipollone, who I think testified, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, I think he testified against President Trump in the sham hearings.
And I went to a federal prison for four months because I wasn't going to participate in that because it was a legitimate committee.
And my lawyer told me it was not legitimate.
He also told me that the president exerted executive privilege.
So I don't know how a guy who failed to do his job...
And maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm hearing this wrong, but I don't think so.
Because I've heard from a couple of people now, and I think it's important enough.
The Attorney General...
Under President Trump has got to be, I mean, one of the top picks.
First off, you're going to have to get advice and consent from the Senate, right?
AG is one of always the most brutal confirmation hearings.
It's gotten more brutal over time.
Bobby Kennedy was his brother, but things changed.
After that, because they didn't like the fact that Jack Kennedy didn't have a chief of staff.
Most people don't know that.
President Eisenhower really started it.
Roosevelt didn't really have a chief of staff.
Eisenhower really started it with Sherman Adams because Eisenhower was a military guy and wanted to have that.
Jack Kennedy didn't have a chief of staff.
He just had an appointments secretary because Bobby was his chief of staff.
That's where they changed it later.
But I would just tell the people, you've got to see the history here.
If you don't know the history of 2020, and Tucker and Mike Lindell are talking, a lot of people are talking about these numbers.
And I've been ranting about it now for a couple days when you see it.
We're not going to let 2020 go.
We don't care.
Oh, you've got to think about the future or think about the future, the future of this republic.
Pat Cipollone, I just don't know.
Maybe somebody will check in with President Trump.
I don't think he gives him a five-star rating.
I don't think President Trump is going to post on social media that this guy provided great service.
Five stars.
I don't think he gets five stars from President Trump, but maybe somebody will check with President Trump.
But he's not acceptable to be the Attorney General with all the burden the Attorney General has, including the mass deportations, which is not going to happen in an afternoon.
Let me go to Richard Barris.
Okay, Richard, you were just doing Solomon.
Now you're here.
I had to get you, but thank you.
You've been putting out tweets.
The Carrie Lake situation.
President Trump is slightly up in Arizona.
I have heard mathematically, Brother Barris, that if President Trump can win that state by, let's say, four percentage points, that Cary Lake mathematically would be dragged across.
Now, my understanding is about a million votes still outstanding because obviously Maricopa County is always slow as all get out.
And Cary Lake's down 59,000 votes.
Can you give us an assessment?
Is this something worth us spending a lot of time watching?
richard baris
Oh, absolutely.
This is, look, I know it's a pain in the butt.
It's the way, unfortunately, actually the McCain machines set up the laws like this in Arizona and it never was changed.
And it probably would have been under a different governor, but Hobbs had no interest in changing it.
So we just have to kind of watch as they do this.
We'll get two big or relatively large dumps from Maricopa soon.
Well, not soon.
One will come Let me give you exactly the time.
One's gonna come between 6 and 7 p.m.
local time.
The other one will be about 10 to 11 p.m.
all local time.
So it's slow going and that's just how it's done.
It's ridiculous, but it's how it's done.
But look, Carrie, in the breaks that we saw last night, there were two releases and they were mixed county reporting.
She got the margins she needed.
And in the last Pinal County update that they gave us, it was a little under...
A little under 7,000 ballots.
She got 63% of them.
So those are the margins she needs to get.
She's getting them.
And if it continues to go her way, especially in Maricopa, she'll leak it out, Steve.
But you know how Maricopa is very unpredictable depending on what part of the county those ballots come in.
There's also a little bit of lack of clarity because Republicans voted early so much.
We don't know how large those margins will be this time compared to prior elections where we could always kind of game it out.
Trump, though, is up almost five points.
He's up 4.7 right now.
The presidency is all but done.
I know there's a lot of votes out, but that's all but done.
The question is whether or not he breaks out by a big enough margin where he can pull her over.
steve bannon
So we went through this exercise in 22, right?
Every night we were sitting there, we'd get on the podcast with Charlie Kirk before I think he even had the regular show, and we'd go through, oh, the dump's going to come, and she got...
Is this, how can we beat Trump at 4.7?
Because I heard it was 4.
And Carrie Lake still not be dragged across.
Is this where we're going to see this gravitational force that Trump's at 4.7?
And every dump's going to have Carrie at basically 60-40.
And if you do 60-40, you'll come up, if you've got a million ballots, you do 60-40, it's 200,000.
Right, in her favor.
You got that $200,000 gap, you blow out the $59,000 that she's down.
Is that where we're going to have to just go with every dump and grind it out every day?
richard baris
That's the way it's got to go until eventually they change the laws over there.
It's ridiculous.
And there are all these people who always try to apologize for this every year, Steve.
I mean, look, I lived in Florida almost two decades.
We could count 12 million votes in three hours.
This is the way the law is written.
It's ridiculous.
I will say this, you know, that a lot of Republicans voted early.
they tend to be the more moderate votes.
If they came in on election day and handed their ballot in, she's probably going to do better with those votes.
If they were just simply late arrivals, then those margins won't be as grand for her.
Again, there's this large gap between her and President Trump that she's just got to overcome.
And it's largely in Maricopa.
She can, let me put it, let me say this because it's important.
She can win without winning Maricopa, but not with this kind of a gap.
So, So Trump is already up in Maricopa, as everybody can see.
He's obviously up what now?
2.3, whereas she is down still, I want to say, what was the latest with that update?
She's down almost 6, 5.9.
She's got to close that really close because Republicans did a really good job registering new people in Yavapai and Yuma.
So they changed the math a little bit.
You always still want to be in a position where you're ahead or tied in Maricopa.
You know, Trump is in such a great position because he's already ahead, but you don't want to be in the position where you're down six points.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
She can do this and pull this off.
It's just you're looking for every single margin to go the way she needs it to go.
steve bannon
So there'll be two dumps tonight.
There's a six to seven local time.
I think that's eight to ten.
And then there's a later one.
Your assessment as the dust has settled from yesterday, your assessment of what we represented yesterday?
richard baris
This was a much bigger win than 2016.
And I don't just mean that mathematically or how many votes.
I mean that in the coalition that he has built for this party.
This is the coalition for those of us who have been around a long time.
This is the coalition, the so-called sweater vest wearing wing of this party said they wanted after they ran their autopsy when Mitt Romney lost.
He put it together for them, plus young black men, plus better numbers among college educated whites.
What surprised me last night, Steve, is this is in politics when you're building coalitions.
This isn't occurring in a vacuum.
This isn't a game of where you could just try to appeal to one group without risking losing part of your base or eroding with some other group.
He did though.
He added people without losing anybody else.
Let me say that again.
He did better with College educated whites, yet he still did better with working class whites, working class everybody.
He added black men and he also added Hispanic men and women.
And by the way, he did better with black women.
It's just that it was so astronomical as far as what he did with black men that we're all really focused on that.
but he also did very well with black women.
So that is very unusual.
And that is, if that doesn't smack of a mandate, I don't know what does.
You know, New Jersey looks like a battleground state.
New York is much closer.
She won New York by a smaller margin than he won Texas in Florida.
This was an enormous landslide for the president.
And I don't know how they're going to put their head in the sand.
And they will.
You know they will.
They'll demonize somebody for this.
And they will not look inside or look inward for an explanation for how badly they got thumped.
But this is just an incredible coalition.
Obama's in 2008 was a little fake.
I don't know how else to say that.
I'm looking back.
What was the more diverse coalition?
Where is there another election where I can draw a parallel to what I'm seeing right now?
Bush didn't do that well with black voters.
That 44% number is not real from later voter-validated studies.
We know he got about 40.
Maybe Obama in 08.
But the truth is there were just a lot of Republicans who wanted to Give a chance to the first black president because their party ticked them off with an economic crisis and two stupid wars, right?
So it wasn't real.
And by six months later, it had eroded because they really didn't support Obama's policies.
This is different.
They support Trump's policies.
This is a real coalition.
The sky is the limit for the Republican Party if they follow this template.
If they don't backslide into the...
National review crowd.
I'm not trying to create any division here.
It's just true.
If they don't backslide into it, they can afford to trade one Tim Carney for five black guys and four Hispanic guys, Steve.
New Jersey's less than five points right now.
They should be automatically looking at that map and saying, I see targets.
I see New Jersey, which is an overlapping media market in the tri-state area.
And New York was closer than it ever should have been.
He's 30% in the five boroughs.
Look at his margin in Kings County.
Compare it to what he got in 16 and what he got in 20.
It's incredible.
I look at Connecticut and I see a bunch of orphaned voters that when you're in a campaign, you have to make decisions about time and resource.
And it's understandable that he didn't run all over to try to expand the map.
That's, you know, sometimes unwise to do, but he did identify, we can see it clear as day, where the next states are to go.
Democrats have been trying to expand the map, while Republicans have not, outside of the Trump era, they look to Georgia, they look to Arizona, right?
They look to North Carolina.
Well, what happens if you and the Trump movement breaks the blue wall in the Rust Belt and then moves on to the Mid-Atlantic?
Where do they go from there?
I mean, this is...
Look, Illinois is eight points.
It's single digits.
I see nothing but opportunity here, Steve.
Nothing but opportunity.
steve bannon
Well, the war, yeah.
Our mandate here is not to backslide, but continue to focus on populist nationalist policies.
Barris, where do people get you?
Your analysis is always great.
richard baris
Locals is the best place.
I'm everywhere, but just follow me on Locals, peoplespundit.locals.com.
steve bannon
Brother, thank you so much.
Appreciate you.
richard baris
Anytime, Steve.
Talk to you soon.
steve bannon
Natalie Winters, you've been buried in your device.
What do you got?
natalie winters
Just reading about all the misinformation that we've been spreading.
steve bannon
Oh, about the coming after the war room.
natalie winters
Yeah, well, it's actually interesting.
Remember, I told you we can sort of reverse engineer, I think, the next four years, how they're going to try to come for this movement based off of their autopsy of this election.
And like we said on Morning Joe, there was a lot of tears shed over the concept of misinformation being responsible for why so many voters dared to vote Trump, but particularly in Hispanic communities.
And there's a lot of reports coming out now.
Imagine that, about how misinformation is particularly targeting Hispanics.
steve bannon
Oh, they're blaming the Spanish.
The Spanish are so dumb, they get sucked into all this propaganda.
natalie winters
That's part of it.
I also think, too, just generally, bird's eye view, I think they are going to really re-up these sort of racial fear-mongering, war-mongering, right?
Because they saw how we were able...
Putting that aside, the ad hominem, the identity politics to build this working class coalition.
And you know, politics has always come down to basically looking at things through class versus race.
And I think they much...
steve bannon
And they'll have a bunch of...
They'll have a bunch of the white nationalists on the far right to say...
natalie winters
Well, to that point, the Atlantic Today headline, X is a white supremacist site.
That's an act by Charlie Wurtzoff.
steve bannon
Talking about Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah.
natalie winters
Yeah, who was the same guy that put out an article amidst the deluge of hurricane misinformation saying that, well, we tried free speech.
It just didn't really work.
So I think we need to move past that.
But like I said, I think this goes back, Steve, to what we were talking about with all things civil society and the NGO apparatus, which we know is sort of the number one beneficiary and really the shock troops of this whole censorship warfare.
They are going to grip and grasp on to any remaining vestiges of power that they have.
And I think the way that they will do that will be through these NGOs, right, which they have sort of set up as these outsourced government entities.
So I really do think you will see a resurgence, particularly in these censorship efforts.
So I think we have to be very vigilant.
Luckily, we now control the purse strings.
steve bannon
You think that the resistance, when we talk about that, the resistance, nullification project, all those types of things, that the first line of attack will be information warfare through these NGOs?
natalie winters
Definitely.
They were remarking on MSNBC this morning, oh, our side's so great.
We don't have to do January 6th.
No, what they do is so much worse, right?
It's more clandestine.
It is always information warfare, right?
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting, I think.
steve bannon
Sun Tzu.
natalie winters
Yeah, I think they should teach more of that at West Point.
But they, I think, realize that the resistance, the shock troops having Antifa in the ground, it's not good optics for them.
And frankly, I think they have more success with the information warfare stuff, with the censorship stuff.
But that's why I think they're also in such meltdown over particularly this election.
Because we sort of, like I said last night, we didn't just shift the Overton window.
We freaking broke through it.
And they don't know what to do.
steve bannon
It was so big a scale, geographically, demographically, everywhere.
natalie winters
When they can't throttle the truth, you get the sound of freedom, and that's what you saw last night.
steve bannon
Where do you think right now, because they've got to get a fallback position, what...
Groups or shows...
Like, MSNBC feels like it's been broken over the last 48 hours.
There's not that energy.
It's not that vitriol.
natalie winters
Well, to that point, it's quite interesting.
They're not talking about the resistance, right?
They're just giving monotone...
It's like Morning Joe post-Trump assassination.
We're not going to say anything edgy.
unidentified
Yes.
Right?
natalie winters
Which is very interesting.
And I think it goes back to the marginalized...
steve bannon
It almost looks like a wake, almost.
natalie winters
But it's something going on there.
Yeah, but they're plotting.
unidentified
Yes, 100%.
Right?
natalie winters
Or maybe we converted them.
steve bannon
Highly unlikely.
Social media.
natalie winters
Natalie G. Winters on all platforms, as always.
And Instagram.
I come in almost as hot as Boris on the ground.
steve bannon
Coming in on the ground.
Another pitch for your company.
Now it's got a male line, right?
Now the patriarchy's taking over.
natalie winters
Oh, we had yard signs, too.
We had everything.
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And Steve, I will speak on behalf of the entire audience.
Thank you for everything you have done, not just these last four years, but always.
You know.
You're not good.
unidentified
You need to get better at accepting things, especially over the next four years.
No, no.
steve bannon
Head down.
Okay, we're going to be back here at 10 a.m.
Eastern Standard Time tomorrow morning, and I promise I'll get the date right.
I'll get the month right.
natalie winters
Every day is January 6th.
steve bannon
Oh, John Connor Breitbart takes us out with American Heart, one of my favorites.
We'll see you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
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