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WarRoom Battleground EP 446: Election Eve. Tomorrow Is The Future
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alex degrasse
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kari lake
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natalie winters
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steve bannon
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
unidentified
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
steve bannon
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room.
Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Natalie Winters, co-host in the house.
natalie winters
In the battleground.
steve bannon
In the battleground.
natalie winters
This is the elite of the elite war room hours.
steve bannon
See, Natalie took over, originally when I went to prison, Natalie took over Battleground.
We gave it to Natalie, and then after about two weeks, her agent called and said, hey, look, we love Battleground, but we think she can expand.
She'd like an earlier, she wants to go up against Nicole Wallace in the five, mano a mano.
She wants the five o'clock show.
natalie winters
And I think we did pretty well.
steve bannon
You did amazingly well.
First off, it's one hour of rants, which I like.
natalie winters
You know, I had to grow into it, but I think I did.
steve bannon
You get Darren Beaty up there, and Darren Beaty sits the entire time.
It was like Tucker and the president.
natalie winters
Well, you want to know, ironically, it was the SAVE Act that I think precipitated so much of it because I was looking around for some cavalry to come and help the show hold the line on it, and it was really hard to find guests.
steve bannon
So I watched that from prison, and you and Grace...
We're such valkyries on the Save Act.
I couldn't even walk through the logic.
I, hey, maybe we want to do this.
You guys were, no, no, no!
We don't do CRs, you guys.
natalie winters
And then we ended with rants where we were screaming about, you know, cuck chairs and all this stuff, and here we are.
steve bannon
Well, here we are.
Now, the question is to the Save Act.
Alex DeGrasse joins us from the Real America's Voice studios in West Palm Beach.
Alex, to the point about the Save Act and her rants and Grace Chung's We're good to go.
That, in fact, the Democrats are going to take the House by, wait for it, whatever I've been saying about Jamie Raskin, one seat, one seat, 218 to 217, which means that Jamie Raskin would actually be able to thwart President Trump, decertify, not certify the election.
And anybody who doesn't believe me on that, we ought to get to pull tomorrow.
If you see the Bill Maher interview with Raskin, what they call the front of the show, front of the House, the opening interview, it always takes about six to eight minutes.
Bill Maher and the audience are lathered up.
They want blood.
I mean, Raskin's trying to be rational and say, yes, I refuse to quit if Trump wins.
We're going to go to work every day.
We're going to thwart him.
I'm going to stop him.
The audience is going, no.
They're kind of almost like booing.
They want details.
And Bill Maher's sitting there going, no, that's not good enough.
What's the plan?
You've got to be specific.
So DeGrasse, we already know they're maniacally focused on taking the House.
Because I think they realize Harris is going to have a very difficult time tomorrow beating Trump.
They look at their second—their command by negation, their second path here to power is to control the House of Representatives.
Your thoughts?
Is Larry Sabato right, or is Alex deGrasse right?
alex degrasse
I think he's way off, Steve.
And what he does is he moves a majority of those toss-up seats into their category.
Most recently, he shifts Marionette Miller-Meeks, which is in Iowa.
He's basing it off of that out-of-control, possibly, I think maybe even criminal, Iowa Des Moines Register poll, the Seltzer poll that's getting a ton of action.
All of this, including Larry, is a coordinated partisan effort to sort of spin people up, juice momentum going into game day on their end.
You know, we've never been in a position where Democrats actually have to rely on more votes on Election Day, despite the fact that polls, Steve, continue to show that of the Election Day votes of people polled that say they're going to vote on Election Day We went overwhelmingly by about 12% to 13% across the board nationwide.
So based off that one poll where they don't even poll a scientific sample within her district, he just says, I'm going to move this over to lean Democrat, and that's how you get that shift.
Now, they have three districts flipping in New York.
I don't buy it.
Here's what we're going to say.
In the beginning of early vote, we came on the show, we hammered, hammered, hammered for New York.
It's a 10-day early vote.
One full work week, and then the weekend, so nine days.
New York Republicans have shifted.
I'm just going to pull these numbers up because I just pulled them.
Where the hell are they?
steve bannon
There they go.
Hold on.
First of all, while you're pulling that up, give me the districts.
alex degrasse
So these are across the entire United States of America, from the start of early voting period into the close of it.
Four of the top five districts that have trended in our direction Are in New York.
The first being New Jersey 7, Tom Keen, one of those toss-up seats, 25.8%.
So, from the start of it to the end of it, the margin between Republican and Democrat changed in our favor by one quarter.
All across New York.
Then you go into New York 17, 17%.
New York 18, which is an offensive pickup seat, 13%.
New York 22, that's Syracuse Utica seat with Brandon Williams, 12%.
And New York 4, 11%.
Where, again, that's the margin between Democrats and Republicans.
Early vote in-person cast from the start to end.
I mean, I don't really see what their path is here in New York.
We're gaining, gaining, gaining.
We've never gotten more votes.
New York Post tweet from an article that we put out because they rightfully covered my early vote briefing on behalf of the New York Republicans.
50% increase from 2022 across the board.
And all of the battleground seats for Republican turnout, including leading with the low propensity voters that we've been speaking to in the war room.
The Democrats let it slip in Politico, the only mainstream media, if we don't count the New York Post, that has covered their panic.
In fact, their lead, they said they're trying to show calm.
Because certainly Republicans are outperforming significantly.
So it's all game day.
Larry's ratings, I mean, California, they got us losing seats.
Oregon, I mean, some of these are tough, of course, Steve.
And the point is that we need to definitely dig deep to flip to give us a buffer if we lose any of those toss-ups.
I think we'll win them all.
And like in 2020, every single toss-up seat we won, Cook Political Report across the board.
That would, by the way, get us over a 10-seat majority right now, Steve.
steve bannon
People forget, and I want to make sure everybody remembers, because this is going to be very important about the situation in Pennsylvania, about what really happened in 2020.
Stefanik and company, you guys delivered, was it in the popular vote for the House nationwide, you were up 5 or 6 million votes in 22?
alex degrasse
5 million.
steve bannon
Massive.
Right now, as we talked the other day, and when you briefed the media before he came on War Room, you see the possibility on the low side of, what, a five-, six-seat pickup?
alex degrasse
Yeah, I mean, I think we could maintain if we were to lose some of these seats in some of these very tough areas.
Worst case, I think we're at where we're at, you know, three, four, five seats.
But I think if I'm betting on it, I think six to eight is sort of a median.
Hopefully we could push over 10, 15, which would be historic and would definitely give President Trump the breathing room that he needs to enact the Trump 47 agenda.
steve bannon
Let's say you're six to eight.
What is the delta and what are the key districts that get to Sabato's 218 to 217 where they take it by one versus your we hold it by five or so?
What are the most controversial districts that we've got to really focus on?
alex degrasse
So, Meredith Miller-Meeks is one that he shifted.
I spoke about that in the beginning.
I don't see that as a, quote, lean Democrat.
That's a Republican district.
The expectation, frankly, is that President Trump will carry her across the finish line because of how well we expect President Trump to do in Iowa, full stop, despite all of this sort of noise.
I think losing three New York seats, I think that would be an issue.
Of course, that's what Larry has.
I don't really see that happening.
Of course, these are tough seats that President Biden won by double digits, of course, and they've thrown $200 million, Steve, at this.
And that is why if we break them at New York, I just spoke about four seats.
Now we're increasing our margin right there, just talking about four different seats on this differential of 15 that he breaks out.
I think also they have some of these Trump, it's part of the Trump Five, right?
That's what we call it.
They have some of those in lean.
I don't see that in Ohio Nine.
A poll just came out from Emerson with Trump up 10 points there.
That might be a little rosy, but if it's not, then there's no way she survives at all.
So this is an Ohio Nine poll.
Ohio 13, we feel good about.
You know, any of these states where President Trump is sort of running really well, which includes New York, Ohio, obviously Alaska, he does correctly have in the Republican category.
But I would say they have Maine, too.
Trump country.
Where we think Trump could win by double digits.
They have it in a lean Democrat category.
So I think those Iowa seat, three in New York, two in Ohio, and in Maine, right off the bat, we have sort of leaning our direction.
At a worst case, sort of a flip of the coin.
So maybe one or two of them goes in that direction.
But not certainly all of them.
That would be considered a bad night.
So that's why, you know, I think what...
Go ahead.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
You keep.
Continue on.
alex degrasse
So, you know, I think some of these are a little bit of a reach, but they sort of have, you know, Pennsylvania 7.
I mean, if President Trump doesn't win Pennsylvania 7 or we don't flip it, I think we're in a tough position in Pennsylvania, and that's the Lehigh Valley.
We're very focused on them.
The numbers look very good there.
So it's sort of the concomination of all of this trending in their direction.
I don't see that.
I think this is really part of what I believe is a coordinated game.
I've heard from people That Iowa Paul, Larry stuff, this has all been in the Democrat ecosystem before it's coming out into the public as part of a propaganda operation.
steve bannon
Talk to me.
I want to get this audience to be smart.
You're saying this is a coordinated information war.
Seltzer's, the Iowa-Des Moines Register poll that had Trump, I don't know, losing, right, in a shock poll.
The things like sabatoes is the same exact thing.
This is part of an information war campaign to depress people, to get people worried?
alex degrasse
100% information warfare, twofold, to give them that they think they have a shot.
Because the biggest impediment on their side is that people don't have much faith in Harris and they think they're going to lose.
I mean, look, as a New York Republican, Steve, we have a lot of friends on the other side of the aisle.
You know, somewhat honest people while we deal with them.
And most of them don't think Harris has a shot.
And so all of this is sort of noise.
That's the numbers that they see.
They're not optimistic on New York.
They certainly think they can maybe flip one or two.
But part of their strategy was to shift away from New York into Iowa, double up on California, go into Michigan, go into Wisconsin, some of these other soft underbelly areas where I think we hold them in all of those as well.
And they sort of actually had hedged on New York, which had actually been reported in the last month.
So they're not that optimistic.
All of this is to kind of get their hopes up.
steve bannon
So it's to help them.
We are going to have you on our coverage.
We understand your primary job is to kind of coordinate everything that's going on tomorrow night for the House as part of Stefanik's team.
But just give me a heads up.
When do you think we'll start to know the direction of Obviously, there's all different districts, but these things tend to move as a piece.
When do you think we'll start to know the movement in the House?
Because it's absolutely critical.
That's why Sabato put it out with one vote.
They understand the psychological warfare of this, of controlling the House.
And as you've seen, the money they've spent over the last couple weeks is just mind-boggling.
We kind of ran out of cash.
What time tomorrow night do you see us being able to see where the trends are?
alex degrasse
I think the first race to really look at is Virginia 7.
Virginia reports early.
If we win there, it's going to be a great night.
I mean, it's going to be impossibly Republican red wave territory, certainly a pickup night.
That's the Derrick Anderson running in the Spanberger open seat against Vindman.
Virginia reports early, and they're quick at counting their ballots.
And so look at that as sort of a bellwether seat.
Certainly, if that's a 50-50 toss-up, we've been tied in all the polls.
It's going to be who wants it more.
As you see, the Speaker and House leadership have been pouring in there.
They just did a rally with Youngkin.
I think New York at around 10, 11 o'clock, you'll start seeing.
So I think the House might be a little earlier than the presidency, just at some of the counting, at least sort of the broad trends now.
If the seats are closed, Steve, as we've seen before, this thing's going to drag weeks, weeks, weeks, bouts, bouts, bouts, counting lawyers, fights, poll watchers.
California and New York, both issues with that, of course, as well as some of the other states.
Arizona.
steve bannon
Perfect.
Your social media, where do people get you?
You'll be back with us tomorrow, but where do people get you overnight?
because this is the all-important House of Representatives, and we only hold it by a couple.
Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia has just called for us losing the House, and Hakeem Jeffries is becoming the Speaker by one seat.
So this is going to be close no matter what.
The Vindman situation is one that obviously irks many of the people in the Trump movement because he's the twin brother of the other scumbag Vindman brother, the other scumbag Ukrainian Vindman brother.
alex degrasse
I think that...
So you could get me at DeGrass81 on X, at DeGrass on GetterTruth.
But I just want to say, Steve, everyone needs to put their evening aside, text everyone, forget the list at this point, just maniacally.
Text, call, door knock, everyone you know, anywhere in the country, and just get that done.
And tonight is the key.
I mean, this is when operatives key up the robos and the techs.
I mean, this is the most important time.
If not more important than first thing tomorrow morning.
So you hit it now and you hit it in the morning.
And we keep going because our vote comes either early in the morning or after work.
So those are the two flex points for us on our side.
Early in the morning, 6.30 through 9, and then 5 to 7, big time, for Republicans.
Push at those hours.
Double effort.
steve bannon
Push hard.
Alex de Gras, thank you very much.
Honored to have you on here.
alex degrasse
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
We'll go to Arizona, and Carrie Lake joins us.
Carrie, I take it you're not to Prescott yet?
kari lake
Not there.
I'm not in my home office.
I am on our bus.
We've been on a bus tour for months now, and we are somewhere between Phoenix and Prescott.
We're about an hour outside of Prescott traveling.
You know what?
I brought my dog.
I decided we're not leaving her home one more day.
So we brought the pug with us.
We've got the team right behind us.
Say hi to Caroline Wren and Lisa and Colton.
Say hi to JT, our incredible bus driver.
Hey JT. Steve, we are about to wrap up what has been an incredible campaign.
We're heading to Prescott to the historic steps of the Yavapai County Capitol.
Arizona's favorite son, Barry Goldwater, announced his run for presidency before I was born.
And we're going to make history tonight with our final rally before Election Day here in Arizona.
And I want everybody in the posse to get their number two pencil out.
It better be sharpened because I'm going to have some numbers to give you in about one second.
So get the pencil ready.
But we got some great news today.
Our early voting for Republicans has been nothing short of historic.
I believe the numbers that came out today show we have about a 204,000-vote advantage over the Democrats as we go into tomorrow election.
We've never seen that.
I can't remember the last time we've seen those kind of numbers.
It's absolutely huge.
And the good news is we've looked at all of the data, and we still have a lot of our 4x4 voters.
Those are the ones who never, ever, ever miss an election.
And so we still have a huge number that are going to turn out tomorrow.
We need to make sure we turn out that vote.
We have a voting center, you know, way of voting right now, even though I don't love it.
This is how we have it.
And that means you can go to any voting center.
My suggestion is if you work in some liberal part of town, you show up at the voting center in a liberal part of town, you're going to be in and out in no time.
If you show up tomorrow morning, 6 a.m.
is when the polls open, and you get there and the lines are really, really long, and you have time, Hop in your car and go find a voting center in a more liberal part of town where you don't have to wait so long.
We need to make sure we are getting out early to vote.
Why would I tell you to get up early and vote at 6 or 7 or 8 a.m.?
Because that way, if you get there and there are long lines, you have the ability to change up and find another spot to go and vote.
Now, this is where you're going to need your number two pencil, Steve.
I want you to write down a few numbers.
602-480-928-520.
And 623.
Those are all of the area codes that are in this beautiful State 48, Arizona.
And I want everybody around the country, whether you're in Ohio, New York, California, Idaho, Florida, Texas, or here in Arizona, to go through your phone and put each of those three numbers in.
And any phone number that comes up that you know in Arizona...
Send out a text message and remind your friends or your contacts to go out and vote tomorrow.
This is the most important day in the history of our country.
Steve, we've been put through hell over the past four years and thank God for you to help us get through it.
This country has been put through a living hell for the last four years.
And tomorrow is the day we get to decide the fate of this nation.
And I think we're going to go save our country.
Based on the early voting, based on the sentiment I'm seeing on the ground, the people are going to show up.
And thanks in large part, Steve Bannon, to you.
steve bannon
Hang on one second, because this is the pause.
The numbers are 928.
Another number is 520.
Another number is...
Area codes.
The other number is 623, the other number is 602, and the other is 480.
In fact, I've got a lot of these on my phone.
unidentified
Those are the five area codes.
steve bannon
Yeah, 520.
So it's 928 is the first one, 520 is the second, 623 is the third, 602 is the fourth, and 480 is the fifth.
If you know people in those area codes, make sure you read them.
Now, Carrie, last time, we were doing it a lot.
On game day, on election day, there was one fiasco after the other with all the brilliant guys down, all the brilliant Republicans running Maricopa County.
Is your team set up like a strike force for tomorrow?
Because I anticipate, even with all the massive early voting, you have to assume that because it's Donald Trump and Carrie Lake, we have to assume they don't want things to go well.
They want all these mess-ups, you know, the ballots are too wide, the machines don't work, people don't know where to go.
What have you guys done to get ahead of what the problems are going to be tomorrow?
kari lake
Well, first and foremost, one of the things we proved is they didn't do any logic and accuracy testing on any of the equipment that they rolled out, which was against the law.
This go around, we made them do logic and accuracy testing on all of the equipment.
So we've got equipment that's been tested, which is good.
And then this time around, you know, we got in on the early voting.
You know, because of what had happened in 2020, Arizonans were not trustworthy.
They didn't trust the elections.
They showed up on Election Day.
And we got burned on election day when 60% of the machines didn't work.
Oh, surprise, surprise, in Republican areas.
This is why it's important tomorrow, if you've got time on your hands, pinpoint an area in Maricopa County, whether it be in central Phoenix, in one of the more liberal parts of town where you can go vote.
If you live in a very Republican area, you might want to take some of the pressure off your Republican...
The voting center by going to a liberal part of town and voting there.
Let's spread it out and make sure that we've got time to fill out this ballot.
It's very, very long.
It's a four-page ballot.
And, you know, I think we showed how they were doing it.
We proved how they were messing around with elections.
And so we kind of put them on the spot, and I think they're going to have a harder time.
And this is why we wanted people to vote early.
But we still have to stay in line.
Do not get out of line.
I always say, listen, If you're willing to camp out overnight to go see a Trump rally, then be willing to camp out all day to vote for our country.
And I believe, Steve, that we're going to win this election.
And I believe we're going to get to work quickly in turning our country around.
But it's all hands on deck right now.
Let's see, what time is it in Arizona?
Somebody tell me what time is it.
We still have a half an hour of voting open today.
It's emergency voting, so if you can get to a vote center quickly in the next half hour in Arizona, run off to a vote center.
If you've got an issue where you don't think you can wait in line tomorrow, then you can go vote today at a voting center across town.
We have a half an hour left.
Otherwise, get up early.
And put your comfy shoes on, bring some water and a couple of snacks, and be ready to meet some incredible patriots while you stand in line.
And let's vote and save our country.
steve bannon
One more time, is there a hotline, or can Caroline Wren, we get a hotline from her later tomorrow?
kari lake
All right, Caroline, come on up.
steve bannon
Because we know it's going to...
kari lake
Bannon's calling for Caroline Wren to step up.
We're going to bring her up.
She's on the bus, Steve.
steve bannon
I'm calling for her to do some work because she's blowing me up on my phone that I took too long for my last guest.
She's getting very snarky.
unidentified
Well, you know, on the off chance the listeners wanted to see Carrie and not hear about Arizona 7, I just thought, Steve.
kari lake
I'm leaning into her because I have the microphone on.
unidentified
I love how it's the grass, though.
steve bannon
Hold it.
Hey, Carrie Lake starts running for the Senate.
All of a sudden, everything in the House is like grundoons.
Okay, I got it.
I got it.
I understand how it's rolling out there.
unidentified
Steve, I wish you were here tonight.
kari lake
I wish you were here tonight with us, by the way, because you were here about a year ago.
Oh, you know what?
I gotta tell you, we're in the most beautiful part of the state.
It's gorgeous.
We have so many buses and trucks and cars.
Jeff's gonna flip the camera around.
Look at this.
We're heading up the I-17, Steve.
And we're heading up on the plateau here.
We get so many thumbs up and, you know, people are honking their horns.
Every kind of car, from trucks to 18-wheelers to EVs, you name it.
This whole state is in love with the America First movement and it's been...
I want to reach out directly to the posse right now because in many of the difficult times, I want to tell you I've appreciated all of you reaching out to me.
I can't even tell you how many posse members that reach out to me and encourage me.
Thank you.
You are family to me and we're going to do this and we're going to take our country back.
steve bannon
Carrie, one more time, where do they go for any information tonight, where do they have to go tomorrow?
We want everybody on point in Arizona and throughout the country to support you.
It's a big day.
We cannot let it slip away like last time.
unidentified
We have to close the deal tomorrow, not just for Trump, but for Carrie Lake in Arizona.
kari lake
For you.
We're going to close the deal for you, America.
Go to CarrieLake.com.
We love you.
We love the War Room Posse.
Steve, we love you.
And we're going to win this, and we're going to save our country.
God bless each and every one of you.
unidentified
If there's an issue, you go to Arizona.ProtectTheVote.com.
kari lake
Arizona.ProtectTheVote.com.
If you see anything suspicious or off tomorrow, Arizona.ProtectTheVote.com.
We love you, Steve.
steve bannon
Love you too, ma'am.
Caroline, get back to work.
Quit blowing my phone up over the New York house races.
Carrie Lake, Caroline Wren on the bus heading into Prescott, the territorial capital of Arizona.
It's a tradition that Republican candidates finish up.
I'm going to talk to Charlie Kirk.
What we're trying to do is we're going to try to, and I'll talk to Rob Sagan, we would love to live stream from Prescott, from that magnificent, wherever out there in the mountains of the desert, you see this, you see the sea all they built.
I think they built it in like 1880 or something.
You almost stood the vision of these people out there at the end of just one of the toughest places on earth to live, and they built this thing that you could see in the west side of London back in the Victorian era.
Those are the giants whose shoulders we stand upon.
Short commercial break.
unidentified
Back in a moment.
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
So if I can ask my crack production team, what I'd like to do is talk to Parker and Rob, and I want to figure out, and Eli, if they're going to stream...
Because this thing in Prescott's always incredibly impressive.
If they're going to stream Cary Lake, and then we could roll right into Grand Rapids, that would be a...
That would be a banger evening.
Carrie Lake's last thing in Arizona and then go right to Trump's.
The last hoorah there in Michigan.
Very historic tonight.
I think Charlie Kirk's going to do it, but Charlie, I think, is in Prescott.
I think Charlie's speaking with Eli Crane to get all the Arizona crowd out there.
Charlie Kirk, Eli Crane, I think Andy Biggs is there.
Of course, obviously, our own Caroline Wren and other people.
So we'll work out the logistics.
For the War Room audience, just follow Grace and Moe, Jane Zirkle.
They're going to be putting up information about what program is going to go on tonight on REV. We're obviously going to be back here at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning, so 10 to noon.
We're going to do the show from here.
I believe we start the coverage, I think the 5 o'clock show will be from the Willard Hotel, right across the street from the Treasury Department.
natalie winters
You're telling all the protesters where to come.
steve bannon
Come on, bring it, baby.
unidentified
I like taking pictures with them outside.
steve bannon
You've got to be very careful.
Speaking of protesters, we've already got the apparatus, the deep state that's not so deep because it's in your grill.
They're totally prepped for this, right?
We won in 2016 because they didn't see us coming and they took us as a bunch of clowns.
These guys are not serious.
That's not 2024.
They knew what they had to do in 2020 to steal this.
They got to try something else.
But they are more dug in than ever on Trump's not going to win this.
We're going to thwart this in any means possible.
The floor is yours, Natalie Winters.
natalie winters
Well, you see it with the deep state Avengers sort of assembling.
I think it started the shot across the bow was, of course, the Liz Cheney, the Dick Cheney endorsement, and just sort of the theatrics of it.
Like I always said, I think the fact that you're seeing the military be used as an institution to really buttress the narrative that President Trump is a fascist, is, you know, Hitler.
Like I always say, it's not that he wanted Hitler's generals.
It's that he wanted his own generals, right?
That's really the cardinal sin, which goes back to, frankly, why You started this show, right?
The idea that your foreign policy could deviate from the Washington consensus.
So when I started to see all that come together, and then you see the intel community, of course, the same weaponized intel community that said the Hunter Biden hard drive was Russian disinformation, they then started popping up with sort of a similar resurgence, which again, you know, we're all about pattern recognition here in the war room, Where they would sort of spot and identify these one-off videos of so-called election fraud and attribute it to just that, Russian disinformation.
It started in Pennsylvania.
Just recently it was in Georgia, and it was a video of, I believe, Haitian refugees voting multiple times.
They're like, how can we trigger...
steve bannon
I thought it was Haitian refugees eating a dog's leg.
Come on, eating a dog's leg in line to vote for the third time.
unidentified
I think it was a cat.
steve bannon
A cat leg in line to vote for the third time.
natalie winters
And a few dead people for good measure, yeah.
But it's very interesting because this video, for example, only amassed about...
steve bannon
You're telling me that was not true?
That this is a meme?
natalie winters
Well, look, I wouldn't put it past them, no.
But from their perspective, they said it was fake.
And a lot of this foreign disinformation stuff, you can tell right off the bat.
I've always said this idea of Russian collusion, I think, is an insult to the intelligence of Americans.
steve bannon
Because it's so amateur hour, it's so like...
natalie winters
It's so obvious.
And also, like a video like that would sway people's, you know, convictions.
This audience is a little more dedicated than that.
But this video only amassed a few thousand retweets, right?
In contrast, the FBI, CISA, and the entire Office of the Director of National Intelligence put out a joint press release in addition to the Secretary of State's office, Brad Raffensperger, acting like it was a five-alarm fire like Russian disinformation.
steve bannon
A joint press release about this?
natalie winters
Mm-hmm.
Saying that this is just destroying democracy, right?
Now keep in mind, just a month ago there was a huge profile piece in Politico saying that the Ukrainian national anthem had been found on voter rolls, on voter logs, and that they had been outsourcing to foreign contractors a lot of this voter roll work.
So it's just interesting, right, how they pick and choose what stories of foreign disinformation or foreign election interference that they want to engage in.
I think the glowing example of this would be the idea of non-citizens voting, right?
They won't entertain that.
steve bannon
Hang on, don't bury the lead.
You're telling me when they actually get around to you, force them to clean up the voter rolls, they're subcontracting that out to foreign entities?
natalie winters
Yeah, that was the buried lead of the Politico piece.
The catchy headline they went with was the Ukrainian national anthem being embedded within these election systems.
But what you start to see, and I think it's what we really spent the last four months of coverage doing, is trying to get ahead of these narratives and call them out sort of at face value, particularly on the non-citizen front.
Like I said, you just saw a new report coming from Norm Eisen saying that anyone who spreads those conspiracy theories, much like those who dared to say COVID originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, were crazy conspiracy theorists.
It was the buried lead in Jack Smith's 165-page filing.
And remember, the Brennan Center, which is the same group that was behind a lot of the efforts to pull Trump From the ballot, they're sort of the go-to resource in saying that, hey, non-citizen voting claims, they're totally crazy.
In other words, it's all about trying to set up sort of an information firewall to say that when you raise valid claims about non-citizens voting, when you raise valid claims about ballots being destroyed, which is what was depicted in these videos, That you're not actually an American patriot who's concerned about election integrity, but no, no, no, you're an agent of foreign disinformation.
And I think if you broaden out that critique, you've really just seen a criminalization of the ability to go in and inspect election results.
You see it from the efforts to try to keep Republican poll watchers out.
There was a huge meltdown piece in Reuters just last week saying that Republican poll watchers are going to wreak havoc and chaos immediately.
And frankly, it's the broader narrative, which I reject at face value, which is that MAGA is violent, that Election Day is going to turn violent, when in reality, if it does, I don't necessarily think it's going to come from the MAGA side.
We always color within the lines.
So all of that converges, I think, to put them in a position where they can sort of dispel any claims of election fraud as not genuine, as not organic.
And then I think you compound that with like we were just talking about the chyron that's an MSNBC saying, like, I'm sure you felt it, Steve, when you were at your press conference.
They had the stories written.
They had the headlines written.
They wanted it to be Steve Bannon and Trump are going to declare victory on election night.
Right.
You could tell they were trying to get that narrative.
Now, why did they want that?
Because now, even if he wins in a blowout victory on election night, they will still—they have already embedded and sort of woven in an insurance policy of an additional 12 to 24 hours where they can say, oh, well, his claim to victory is not legitimate.
And then you have the Mark Elias' come in, and then you have the overseas ballots, I'm sure, you know, eventually come in late at night, or you see ballots being accepted in a lot of states even postmarked after Election Day.
So I think all of this, I mean, you know I consume the news algorithmically in sort of a weird utilitarian way, but when you see, for example, NPR today putting up a story saying, and I quote, the voter rolls are imperfect, and they go sort of this, what I call a limited hangout type story where they're like, well, there's always going to be errors with voter rolls.
It's almost like they're priming us to say, well, a few non-citizens, you know, slipped through the In the same way that Martha Raddatz sits up there telling J.D. Vance, well, you just have to be okay with a handful of Venezuelan gangs taking over the United States.
Now, would they be okay with a handful of Russians living in Ukrainian territory?
No, obviously not.
But when you loop all that together, Again, I feel like I get the tough end of the deal where it's like Pavlov's dog anytime I'm on.
It's like Color Revolution scary talk.
But, you know, as much as these polls are important, I wish we operated in a reality where polls translate.
steve bannon
It's real talk.
It shocks me so much.
They're doing this in broad daylight.
I mean, they're trying to do it so complicated you can't understand it.
But they're pretty brazen about what they're trying to accomplish here.
Do you agree?
natalie winters
Well, of course.
I think the darkest part of it is the dark money, right?
The funding, who exactly is supporting all these people.
But no, they're quite open about it.
And I think it's because they couch it behind the idea of, you know, we're defending democracy.
But in that sort of narrative of defending democracy, like I said, they've essentially criminalized the idea of objecting to elections, which is something more or less that they pioneered, right?
So it's now a very touchy subject to even suggest that election results...
Have been flipped.
And by the way, you have to also juxtapose this with what's going on globally because in the same day that you see, you know, the Georgia election officials melting down over foreign disinformation, Joe Biden is calling for audits of election results over in the country of Georgia in the same day that the State Department is putting out press releases demanding that citizens in Ghana who dare to, quote, undermine democracy will have their United States visa stripped from them.
So they'll play asymmetrical warfare, and I think for so long, whether it was, you know, the RNC consent decree or just, I think, honestly, that's sort of a cop-out.
steve bannon
Total cop-out.
They used that crutch for some years.
natalie winters
It's the fact that they're controlled opposition.
They loved it.
The consent decree was, like, just a cover for them.
They agreed to.
They consented to it, right?
And look, even when you were in prison, there was a really, I think, stunning piece in Politico.
I believe it was Jonathan Martin talking, and the headline was essentially the Republicans who want Trump to lose.
And all these members of Congress are busy talking off the record with mainstream media reporters about how they think it would be easier for them if Trump lost, and they want to take the Republican Party in a direction that you obviously know is super deviant to anything that you've pushed for.
But that is what we're up against, right?
It's not just the Democrats.
Frankly, it's not even just a domestic problem.
You even see there was an article, I think it was in The Guardian, someone saying that, oh, well, even if President Trump wins, I don't really think anything's going to change at NATO. It was, I believe, an admiral in the Navy saying, yeah, we're still going to keep levels of support where they are.
steve bannon
Yeah, standard.
natalie winters
Yeah, right.
And that's the permanent political class doing what they do best, which is clinging on to the status quo.
And I think the final point, too, that I would make is that take the issue of Ukraine, for example.
They're not necessarily just scared of the gravy train that is Ukraine, the largest money laundering operation drying up, right?
They're scared of the impending audits.
That's what they want to prevent, right?
They can find another crisis to milk.
What they don't want, and I think that's the fundamental difference between our version of the Republican Party and the old guard, is that we actually define accountability as investigations, prison sentences, serious prison sentences at that.
And they define accountability as a strongly worded tweet or a nice segment on Fox.
steve bannon
I want to go to this other story that broke because this adds a whole even darker layer to it, and that was you helped break it, but Jeff Clark has now gone to the document that was released.
Talk to me about this.
It makes my head blow up.
And this whole thing of William Arkin is a progressive writer, but he's talking about a 60,000-man army, 30,000-man army in the Pentagon or associated with military intelligence that is basically there to, according to Clark, when you look at this directive, actually potentially use lethal force against U.S. citizens.
natalie winters
I think they've been doing that for a while.
Hot take.
No, so the genesis of this story, Boren has always been ahead of the curve, but I think to just contextualize this, they were freaking...
Let me rephrase.
When I first broke the story, I was much like you.
I was like, there's no way this is true.
This is an oversight.
This is why you can't...
It's so brazen.
And I sort of, you know, stopped pushing it because I was like, it's just so absurd.
But then I saw the University of Washington, which headed essentially CISA's election censorship efforts under a gal named Kate Starbird, despite them now missing a lot of funding, thanks in part to the efforts of people like Mike Benz, Darren Beattie, this show.
But they put out a long-form report on the story saying that this directive was...
They say misinformation, but then if you actually read the story, they're like, there's no available evidence to fact check it.
And they did a whole long report and then it was disseminated to the rest of the fact checkers in the mainstream media.
So I was like, they're getting their marching orders from CISA and it's now being spread out through the mainstream media.
So we're definitely over the target here.
And there's the part that Jeff Clark had honed in on, which has to do with using lethal force against American citizens, but there's also, in that same directive, in that same time period, revising it, I believe it was late September of this year, but also, I think it was November 7th of 2016, where they reworked their descriptions of assassinations.
They took out the, what is it, the predicate, the preceding clause that was under any circumstance, and then they essentially took out DOD operative, saying that DOD operatives could therefore by, you know, if you do the analytical math, commit assassination, which is such an absurd thing to say.
But again, like I said in my opening, you know, kind of response to your question, Though it seems far-fetched at face value, right, much in the same way that when you hear the stories of, you know, Peanut the Squirrel seems so outlandish, it's like, well, this is also the same government that has trafficked and lost hundreds of thousands of children, right, and there's been outrage there, and this is the same government, whether it was through the NIH or DARPA or any of these programs, has been funding actual bio-warfare with our sworn enemy, the Chinese Communist Party, for decades.
I think maybe they're being a little more direct to your face in the same way that people like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, who have been subverting Trump behind the scenes for a heck of a long time, now they at least have the courage to say it to your face.
But I think that this directive, something is rotten.
That's how I would put it at the DOD, and I think that this was sort of a saying the quiet part out loud moment.
steve bannon
If you look at, I think it's Henry Olsen's analysis in the New York Post today, he talks about how Trump squeaks through, and he gets out, I shouldn't say, they're all tight, but he ends up with 297 electoral votes in Winston-Marc.
In this, he does his analysis off of, you know, how many, first, how many Democrats support terrorists, how many, he uses a 94-6 as far as Republicans that support Trump.
I do know from the Democrats, they're banking on, when we talk about these pre-banked Republican numbers, they're banking on a portion of that being Liz Cheney followers or some of Nikki Haley's crowd that really is the difference between that's how Trump loses.
Do you think that's getting any resonance because the neocon, neoliberal aspect of this, the American empire, or do you think – because if you look at some of the early votings and you look at at least the polling, people are saying, hey, 94% to 6%.
It's not popping up.
You would think it would be 85-15, which would be a game-changer.
That delta between the 6 and the 15, that 9 percentage points, would translate to a meaningful number in some of these states that could spell very difficult times for us tomorrow.
Do you believe that, actually, that Cheney and even Nikki Haley, because she's not really—her heart's not in this, particularly for, like, 20% of her followers— Do you believe that all of this, that, you know, some of this over-the-top support of the American empire is really built into a negative Trump or anti-Trump from previous conservatives that will vote against him?
natalie winters
Well, I think so much of this is the concept of the permission structure, which is what MSNBC has dedicated months of airtime to, and what really is that January 6th that democracy narrative comes down to.
And, look, I can't get in the mind of, you know, someone who would support that.
So I think the...
Almost more interesting question is if their efforts to court the Liz Cheney types of the world is offset by the people of their base that they turn off and or offend or the time that they're pulled off from not being able to go after, say, the Muslim vote, right, or the Arab vote like we're seeing go for Trump.
I don't really get the sense that the democracy stuff is breaking through.
I guess the counterpoint to that would be that they kind of ditched the whole joy narrative and then they reintroduced the democracy and the freedom stuff.
But that might just be more of a symptom of the fact that the joy narrative was sort of a stillbirth, right, from the get-go.
steve bannon
But is the democracy part what they're going to use to combat us and fight us after we win?
Because they're just not going to give this up.
I mean, you know, you're researching this.
You know this crowd better than virtually anybody in this town, which is kind of what surprises me because I got so many relatives and other friends saying, you can't broadcast from D.C. tomorrow.
You've got to go to Florida because if you start doing your shtick, like here in the front page of the New York Times, they're going to come.
Maria Bowser and the National Guard are going to come and roll you guys up.
Do you think they're using that as a cover for their later fight with Trump?
natalie winters
Yeah, I think you're going to see the rollout of what they call civil society, I would say, rather uncivil society.
But look, I think you see this right in the New York Times, the way they laid it out, the authors of How Democracies Die, right?
Their big, you know, kind of magnum opus, which was essentially, first you try to kick him off the ballot.
Well, that didn't work.
Then you try to get the inherent political structure, the RNC, to say he can't run.
That didn't work.
I don't really see how that works.
It has much of an impact.
I think lawfare is much more powerful in the same way that you've seen that's how they've gone after Trump, right, these last few years.
So I really think it's going to come down in those count rooms, in those ballot rooms, really ballot by ballot, in the same way that Kamala Harris in, what was it, 2010?
You know, election night, she was down and then ended up with a 30,000 ballot lead.
And I think, too, that...
Yeah, and this is the fight that I think this audience has always wanted, right?
You are President Trump's best and only surrogate, right?
Kamala Harris has everything in the dark money apparatus, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger.
You are mono a mono with the people that you detest most.
So tomorrow, when you're stuck in that ballot line, or the line to vote, and they're pulling shenanigans, every hour, think about that as a year that they tried to destroy President Trump's life.
So you got nine.
Nine hours is how much you have to wait, right?
You're so lucky that tomorrow is the only day that you've ever had to actually give a middle finger to the deep state and say your demoralization isn't going to work.
steve bannon
You've said it so well.
By the way, Billy Strings is going to take us out here with Man Comes Around, his cover.
This is the fight we always wanted, right?
We've worked for years for this.
We're perfectly positioned.
Everybody did their job.
natalie winters
We were never supposed to be here.
steve bannon
Never supposed to be here.
And the war would possibly have delivered the new architecture of the electorate through the Scott Presslers of the world and the voter registrations.
And everybody turned out the vote.
natalie winters
Their vote did not turn out particularly after- I think they gave you the cover in your press conference to be able to stand up there and rest on the laurels of the early vote number.
So give President Trump that same ability to rest on the actual Election Day vote numbers when he has his press conference tomorrow at 11 or 12, whenever it is.
Do your part.
steve bannon
Oh, 11 o'clock when he comes out and claims victory?
unidentified
What?
Oops.
Natalie, you're giving them the memo.
natalie winters
We're our own Transition Integrity Project.
How about that?
steve bannon
You're social media.
You're here in D.C. with us.
You'll be here tomorrow and tomorrow night.
natalie winters
Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms.
Always an honor to co-host with you.
Please don't go anywhere.
And when I go to prison, please co-host for me.
unidentified
I know.
steve bannon
We're going to have oranges, the new orange.
natalie winters
Pink, a pink jumpsuit.
unidentified
Pink jumpsuit.
steve bannon
Birchgold.com slash dammit.
Go check it out today.
It's going to be a lot of turbulence in the world.
Find out what gold's been ahead for, I don't know, 5,000 years of man's recorded history.
We're going to be back here tomorrow at 10 a.m.
It's game day.
unidentified
Man, we've worked for years for this thing.
steve bannon
Tomorrow's exactly the fight we won.
I will try to be back here a little bit later to figure out all of this tonight.
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