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Episode 3882: Pushing The SAVE Act; Winning North Carolina
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chris hayes
As Jonathan Martin put it in Politico this week, if Republicans want to win, they need Trump to lose big.
Trump will never concede defeat, no matter how thorough his loss.
Yet the more decisively Vice President Kamala Harris wins the popular vote and electoral college, the less political oxygen he'll have to reprise his 2020 antics.
And importantly, the faster Republicans can begin building a post-Trump party.
Again, of course, that all comes far from given, right?
Think of it this way.
Donald Trump could utterly disappear from public, never appear in public once again from now until Election Day, still have a pretty good shot winning the White House, and Republicans flipping the Senate.
Like a coin flip, maybe?
And that makes it all the more important that, again, the country's pro-democracy coalition does the hard work of preventing that outcome.
Because the reality is, winning a clear majority is not enough!
The MAGA movement needs to lose over and over and over again.
Democracy will not be on secure footing in this country until the Republican Party internalizes the lesson that nominating extreme, dangerous, maladjusted psychopaths and hoping the quirks of our election bail you out is not enough.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
jack posobiec
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
Amazon's not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
chris hayes
The people have had a belly full of it.
dave brat
I know you don't like hearing that.
jack posobiec
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
dave brat
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
jack posobiec
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
dave brat
Dave Brat in the War Room with the great Stephen K. Bannon.
Start off the show out of respect for Steve in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The world is in chaos.
We're about ready to have up a great friend of the show in a second on election integrity.
But I just want to spit out a couple key events happening in the news.
You've all seen the border invasion play out, right?
This show, Steve Bannon's been at the forefront of that for a decade.
I ran on that a decade ago, had a big win.
But now it turns out a small town, Springfield, Illinois, et cetera, 50,000 people has 20,000 Haitians delivered to them by the federal government.
The town is in total collapse.
Total freefall, but we told you this is happening at a theater near you folks, right?
And so I know I'm preaching to the choir, but we are in the countdown, right?
All political views are my own, but it is time to go nuts on every group you know.
If you haven't spammed your entire list of friends and told them what's at stake in this country, I think two days ago in England, I saw a Nice looking gentleman arrested for speaking up against the trans stuff going on in his kids' schools.
Arrested and put on what looked like a SWAT bus.
Germany, the conservative elections, huge results a day ago going toward the populace over there.
And then it turns out Germany actually deported some of the Afghan criminals out of Germany,
right?
So the mainstream, the globalists even know they've gone too far, right?
So they're starting to respond to the people's votes.
And so thesis for the day and our next guest, voters matter.
There's only one way to turn things around.
And that's with a huge vote to get this country on track.
And you all know in the world, the big three have always been the border invasion.
And then the endless spending, even the Republicans, I was in the House as a Congress member, folks
don't know.
But in the House now they're saying, well, the good news is we're keeping spending to
the current levels, there's no spending rate.
We're keeping spending to $7 trillion.
We approved the Nancy Pelosi $7 trillion budget that funds World War II level debt, and that
funds the COVID budget when we handed out a check to everyone in the country.
That's the $7 trillion budget.
We're going to do a CR for that again.
It may be worth it.
You heard Scott Perry and others in the Freedom Caucus, Ralph Norman, messaging yesterday out on the news and saying, look, if we get the SAVE Act, we're not going to get anything better on the budget because the Senate and the White House can veto everything.
But there's a lot at stake here, right?
And then the never ending wars.
Today, we're going to get in that with Fattis and some generals, etc.
Nuclear war.
is not out of bounds, right?
Luckily, it's not.
Nothing's lucky, right?
There's 500,000 dead in Ukraine, right?
Russia, if we ever pinned Russia down, which we're not gonna on the conventional forces, they're winning and they're gonna win.
But if you pinned them down and put their back up to the wall, they would react and we're trying to put them there.
So all of this is at stake.
You all know it.
It's our pleasure to have a representative from North Carolina from a group called Insight.
We'll get into the name, but Jim Womack, he can introduce himself and he's got some family members you may know of if he wants to go there.
But the name Insight, I heard the best thing I can say about Jim is he's friends with Cleta Mitchell.
Anyone that's a friend of Cleta Mitchell's a friend of mine.
She's an American icon and hero.
And I heard, Jim, I heard that Cleta had a naming opportunity for you and your group.
Why don't we start off with that one?
unidentified
Yeah, David, thanks for having me on.
Really appreciate it.
Big fan of the War Room and of you, Professor Bratt.
You were an inspiration when you got elected back a decade or so ago to Congress.
We, you know, always followed you closely and supported you, my friend.
Well, look, when we were first formed back about two and a half years ago, Fleeta, she's the matriarch of the Election Integrity Network, does a magnificent job nationwide.
She recruited us to organize a state team here in North Carolina that would protect the election for 2022 and 2024.
And when we got organized, she wanted us to be called the North Carolina Election Integrity Network.
So we were a subsidiary of the EIN.
But when we tried to pronounce that acronym, it came out as insane.
So we decided there would be a better naming convention.
So we call it the North Carolina Election Integrity Team Insight.
And that has a lot better connotation than insane.
So, you know, we operate widely across the state.
We have about 1,700 members now that are active in the program.
We have conference calls every week to keep people posted about what's going on nationwide.
And we operate closely with Cleta and her network of experts.
The other thing I do In addition to running the state team, I run CLETA's Election Machines and Technology National Working Group, so we have a lot of analysts and machine experts that are a part of our team that are helping to identify the vulnerabilities of machines and what we need to do to audit those machines so that we have reliable election outcomes.
dave brat
Yeah, go over that.
How vulnerable are you?
How vulnerable is North Carolina when it comes to election integrity?
How do you assess the vulnerability?
unidentified
Okay, so we have what we refer to as the eight lanes of election integrity, and I won't get into all eight of them because we don't have the time.
But basically, one part of that is poll observation and interaction at the polling sites to make sure that things are done in a free and fair fashion.
And we train poll observers nationwide to do that.
That's part of the key focus we have now of training volunteers to be poll observers and judges and election officials.
So that they can effectively ensure a free and fair election.
The other lanes that are really vulnerable, that's a least vulnerable lane, actually.
The other lanes that are very vulnerable have to do with the voter lists, the machines, and voting by mail.
Those three lanes of election integrity are all very vulnerable, mostly around the country, but especially in North Carolina.
And it's been caused by two things, two principal factors.
One, the State Board of Elections is operating in a partisan fashion underneath the governor,
Democrat governor, and they have shut down list maintenance operations almost entirely
around the state.
They've protected the corrupt voter lists in North Carolina, and they're doing it willfully
and intentionally.
The second reason is because our legislature has just failed to pass important legislation
that would protect the vote.
We proposed several bills to them over the last couple of years, and they've given us
a few things around the edges, but not really changed the statutes of North Carolina that
would protect the vote.
dave brat
Yeah, and we're learning in the last week or so, Chip Roy and a bunch of other leaders
on the SAVE Act.
We didn't even know for sure, but it turns out it is illegal for illegal aliens to vote in the federal law.
But then the Democrats are messaging on that and saying, well, so there's no need for this SAVE Act.
But now we've learned there is a need because it can be against the law at the federal level, but if the states don't comply and enforce the law and go through their voter lists and exclude the illegal immigrants, their votes will stand.
And all the other shenanigans is just assumed, right?
The vote, you know, mail-in votes and all that.
So explain that from your... And all of this applies generally, right?
That's why you're on.
So your North Carolina insights apply to the nation, right?
unidentified
That's correct.
Well, there's only one state in the country that I'm aware of that actually has a division of proof of citizenship, and that's Arizona.
Arizona, in that state, you're required to declare or to prove your citizenship when you register to vote.
And if you fail to do that, then you can only vote in the federal elections because it's a protected status as a registrant without proving citizenship to be able to vote in the federal elections.
That SAVE Act would fix that.
But at state level, virtually none of the other states have any protections because you can't prove citizenship.
The forms, the federal forms that are approved for their use, do not require proof of citizenship.
And even though there's evidence of citizenship at many of the bureaus of motor vehicles around the country, and especially in North Carolina, that information is not used.
The Help America vote verification have lookups are not being used uniformly by the states, and North Carolina uses it very rarely.
And so we've got a lot of registrants who have never proved their citizenship through the have lookup or through providing their driver's license.
We got half a million voters in North Carolina who are missing federally required information, federally required information under the HAVA Act, and they're on the voter list and you can't take them off.
dave brat
Yeah, and so give us a little hope, right?
I mean, we had the 16 cycle, the 20 cycle, the 22 cycle.
Good people like you are working like crazy.
Cletus working like crazy.
The War Room, Steve's incited.
Every state needs in touch with everybody.
What inroads?
Are we making at least a dent?
You know, getting ready for the lawfare that's sure to come.
What's the good news on the front?
Lara Trump over at the RNC.
I've heard she's whipping some stuff into shape.
So it's obvious we still have problems.
The states are still behind the times.
They're not on the right side of the football.
They all yell about democracy, but this is the clearest case.
of violations of the democratic spirit where we just want every vote to count and so give us a little hope and good news and then you know tell us what should people be doing what's the call to action?
unidentified
Well, the good news is that there are activists all over the country, patriots like you and me, that are working nonstop to connect with a network or a team to participate in the election process.
Typically in the past, most citizens have left that to the paid operatives.
Honestly, there are a lot of citizens that are coming out of the woodwork that are saying, look, we're concerned about the election.
I think CPAC showed that the number one concern among conservatives in America beyond the border wall and the economy was the sanctity of the elections.
You know, the surveys all over the country are showing that people are concerned they don't trust the machines and they have every right not to because the machines are so vulnerable.
Here's the hope.
The hope is that citizen activism will always be a deterrent factor.
They will always stop.
The attempts, if there is any risk of getting caught.
So that citizen activism at the polls helps.
Citizens need to sound off on their legislators about not doing enough to protect the vote.
Legislators are denying legislation that could protect the vote in many states.
And they should always demand from their representatives, what are you doing for me to make sure that my vote is being protected?
And don't let them give them that pat answer.
Make sure that they call them out about the voter list being corrupt.
and about the vote by mail being a very insecure system.
Those both need to be challenged.
And then I think the other thing is that citizens should feel free to make even small-dollar
contributions to organizations like Cletus Network, the Election Integrity Network, our team, Insight.
You can go out to our website, nceit.org, and make a small-dollar donation.
Every little bit helps.
We are not prepared, like the left is, to conduct lawfare to protect the vote through the defense of the statutes that are on the books.
And, therefore, we're at the mercy of Mark Elias and these left-wing organizations that are suing until we're blue.
We need that kind of help as well, so any funding support.
But, you know, come out to my website.
Join nceit.org.
Join that.
We don't spam you.
We don't drill you for money all the time.
We just help you get plugged into this network so that we can do the things we need to do to protect the vote.
dave brat
Yep.
Jim Womack, thanks for being on The War Room, brother.
Thanks for all you're doing in North Carolina.
He just gave you insights across the country.
All the action items, the urgency.
Stick with The War Room.
Scott Perry up.
unidentified
War Room.
jack posobiec
Here's your host, Stephen K. Batten.
dave brat
Back in the war room with the great Stephen K. Bannon and today very special guest, my good friend and colleague back in Congress, Congressman Scott Perry, member of the Freedom Caucus.
These guys are the true heroes for real.
The press comes after us for believing in the simple Constitution, for believing in balanced budgets, and for wanting to keep our country safe from foreign dangers.
And for that, we face headwinds.
And so, Scott Perry, Congressman Perry, welcome to the War Room.
It's an honor to have you on.
You're a great leader.
You were leading the helm at the Freedom Caucus.
And I just want to start off with the big leading news.
I heard there's a discrepancy between federal law and state law.
Fill us in as to what that means.
scott perry
Well, what that means is, and great to be with you, Dave.
Thanks for hosting and thanks for letting me have an opportunity.
What it means is that it is currently a felony to vote if you're here illegally, but the
illegals don't know it and there are people that will capitalize on it.
And probably some illegals do know it, but they also know that no one's ever prosecuted
for this, Dave.
And no one, the states don't even bother checking.
So just imagine having speed limit laws, but no police, right?
What would it matter?
Because you know no one ever got caught and no one ever did anything about it.
That's where we are right now.
So right now to vote, at least in Pennsylvania and I suspect around the country, all you do is sign your voter registration form.
Now there's some small print there, you know, about, you know, being a citizen and all that stuff.
But, you know, these people that probably many of them don't speak English, and if you're just signing up for a driver's license in Pennsylvania, where we have motor voter, right, you want to get the driver's license and get out of there before anybody asks more questions if you're here illegally.
And when they say, you know, do you want to register?
You're not going to say no, you're just going to say, look, whatever gets this process done and get me down the road.
Once they're registered, they're on the rolls.
Now, they might vote.
Maybe they don't.
Maybe somebody votes on their behalf with a mail-in ballot, of which millions are mailed out because, as you know, no one requests a mail-in ballot in Pennsylvania.
You just get them sent to you and the parties do that.
And so there are millions of these things floating around untethered to any single person where anybody checks a list.
And so the SAVE Act says that if you're gonna have an election,
remember the constitution, Dave, I know you know this, that in Article I, it says that the states will determine
the time and manner of elections.
Time and manner, right?
So if you're going to have the election in those states and determine the time and manner, the federal government is going to require you to determine and authenticate citizenship.
It's already against the law.
It's just nobody does anything about it.
This would put some teeth in it and say, you can't let people that are here illegally vote illegally.
And if you do, there are going to be criminal consequences and penalties for that.
unidentified
Good.
dave brat
And so what's the major hang-up?
In order for the feds to enforce that, what do they have to do?
I know.
What do they got to do?
unidentified
Ask the states for their voter rolls so they can check?
scott perry
The major hang-up, Dave, is that many of these states don't want to do it because this is all part of the plan, right?
They want as many untethered voters out there and untethered votes out there for them to determine.
That's the major hang-up.
No one ever wants to do this work because they tell us all elections are secure.
They're the most secure ever.
Meanwhile, we know dead people are voting.
Their rolls have never been completed.
being cleaned up. We know that they don't purge people off the rolls year after year
and cycle after cycle. So that's all just rhetoric, but it's not tied to reality.
dave brat
Yeah. All right. Let's go from that to the same act may perhaps hopefully be tied to
the CR, to the spending bill, in which case there'd be pressure to get that moving forward.
President Trump has signaled he's in favor of it.
Speaker Mike Johnson is signaling he might be in favor of it.
I remember back in the days... Let me give you an update.
unidentified
Yes.
scott perry
Let me give you an update.
dave brat
Give us the update.
scott perry
Just got off a call with the Speaker, and what he's proposing is a six-month CR into next year, right, into March or so, with the SAVE Act attached to it.
Now, you know and I know, Dave, that a CR, continuing resolution, continues the bad policies and spending of the past, right?
So you and I would never want to vote for that.
But here's what's going to happen, and you know this.
We're going to run out of funding at the end of September.
The Senate has passed no funding bills, and they don't even have an agreement on how much we're going to spend, let alone, you know, in the different appropriations bills, how much is going to be spent on the military versus the Department of Justice versus the Department of Interior, right?
No agreements whatsoever.
So what that means is a CR is going to come, or an omnibus, which is even worse, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So this is an alternative for us, even though we hate the CR.
Yeah.
What it does is it allows us to fund government, unfortunately, at the same level until Donald
Trump is the president.
And then he can decide, number one.
And two, it allows us to say to the Senate, OK, if you're going to play this game, you're
going to have to pass the CR with the SAVE Act on it, which is going to be actionable
in this election in November.
You're going to require states to determine citizenship and verify citizenship of their voters.
And number three, it stops all possibility of the pre-Christmas omnibus written in Chuck Schumer's office by his staff.
So that's our choice.
And as you know, Dave, we never have a choice between good and bad, right?
You have a choice between bad and worse.
And so, look, I don't want the CR.
I certainly don't want the omnibus.
But if I can get the SAVE Act with the CR that's going to pass anyhow, because remember, Dave, that even though Scott Perry and Dave Brat won't vote for a CR at the end of September, a bunch of Republicans will join every Democrat to vote for it, and we will lose anyhow.
unidentified
Yep.
dave brat
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
dave brat
You don't have to weigh in on this, but one of our perennial problems was always the Republicans are left to run on your own, right?
As a congressman, you got to get the bullhorn out in your own district.
The newspapers are all leftist.
It's very hard to get your message out.
And then our team doesn't run on anything.
Trump and the RNC and the war, we have the big three.
It's the border invasion, the endless spending on woke and weaponized government and the endless wars.
Why doesn't our side message on these?
And the SAVE Act, by the way, is an 80% issue that everybody wants.
How can you not run on that?
What is wrong with us?
All political views are my own.
Go ahead, Congressman Perry.
scott perry
I agree with you.
We asked the Speaker to do this CR back in the beginning of the summer so that we could have been running on it all through August, all summer long.
Beating up the people that voted against it who are essentially by voting against it are saying it's okay for people here to vote illegally, right?
That's what they're saying.
But, you know, we couldn't get our colleagues there.
As you know, that's always the problem, especially some of the people that spend the money.
They want their hands on that lever and they don't want to have that power taken away from them.
Unfortunately, Dave, whether it's the left or the right, you know, I'm an equal opportunity I make objective calls the way I see them.
Both sides want to spend this money often, and so both sides are responsible for that.
Like I said, we can come in and Dave Brat, if you were still in Congress, Scott Perry, certainly vote against the CR, but there's always enough Republicans to team up with Democrats to pass that kind of garbage because they get something for it.
And they don't have to go out in their districts and say, oh, well, you know, I voted against shutting down the government, right?
No one ever wants to see the government shut down, even though, as you know, 85 percent of the government never really shuts down anyhow.
And everybody gets all their back pay, even if they never showed up for work.
So the whole thing is, look, we need Republicans with spines.
You were in the Freedom Caucus.
You know where the tip of the spear is.
And, you know, quite honestly, the SAVE Act As you know, Dave, is a Freedom Caucus product.
The SAVE Act came from the Freedom Caucus, and the SAVE Act took to a six-month CR going into President Trump's term, where he can determine what's next, is also a Freedom Caucus product.
So, as usual, the Freedom Caucus is fulfilling its mission of dragging, even though it might be unwilling at times, the Republican conference to the right.
dave brat
Yeah, good for it.
All right.
In closing, we got about two and a half minutes left.
scott perry
Yeah.
dave brat
Pennsylvania is going to be ground zero, right?
All political views are my own.
Georgia, Pennsylvania.
You're in Pennsylvania.
Great people.
Heartland.
Yep.
Super folks.
What are the issues that Pennsylvanians care about?
Because that's going to determine everything.
scott perry
Well, first of all, President Trump will be here this evening for a town hall.
He understands it.
And here's what Pennsylvanians are concerned about, Dave.
They can't pay their bills, right?
People say, well, inflation, the cost of living is up 20%, but what they don't count is for the reduction in the size of the product.
So you're paying 20% more, but the product size You know, you can't go buy a half gallon of ice cream anymore, right?
The product size has been reduced.
Whether it's a, you know, it's a pound is not, you know, they don't sell things in pounds anymore.
It's so many ounces, 17 or 14 ounces for 20% more in the price.
People can't afford their groceries, their electricity bills, their daycare bills.
They can't afford to buy a new home.
They can't afford to buy a new car and they're paying for their grocery bills on their credit cards, which is at the highest rate ever in history.
So it's unsustainable.
The economy is crushing everyday working citizens in Pennsylvania.
Number two, safety.
They're watching it occur all around the state and all around the country.
People don't want to visit our cities because they don't feel safe.
And it's not just the cities nowadays.
60 miles from here, Some person here illegally killed a young lady jogging out on a rail trail.
Just minding her own business, but she got assaulted and killed, and people are afraid to go outside their homes, and they want safety and security.
They're not going to get it with the open-border Democrats.
And then finally, embarrassment on the world stage.
We're at the anniversary of, like, Afghanistan and the horrific withdrawal that the service members lost at the Abbey Gate.
President Biden checking his watch.
And never calling the Gold Star families afterwards, you know, even after the funeral where he was checking his watch.
People don't like that, and they know that Harris and Walz is just a continuation of that, and maybe even worse.
I mean, Walz, you know, he honeymooned in communist China.
He could have chosen anywhere in the world, David, he honeymooned in communist China, and here today we find out more Chinese spies in America working with government.
dave brat
Right, Reuters, all that.
All right, 10 seconds to go.
Congressman Scott Perry, thanks for being with us.
How do people reach you, get you, support you?
scott perry
Rep Scott Perry, or Patriots for Perry.
Rep Scott Perry is the official side, Patriots for Perry is the campaign side.
We're in ground zero in Pennsylvania.
They're coming after me, they're coming after President Trump, and they're coming after you, Dave.
You know how this story goes, so we need everybody in the fight here.
dave brat
Amen.
God bless you, brother.
Thanks for standing strong for this great country.
Congressman Scott Perry, please go check him out.
Check out his voting.
He's one of the good guys.
God bless.
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Back in the war room with the great Stephen K. Bannon.
I've been reading through a couple of the comments out there from the posse on the great Congressman Scott Perry and some of his comments.
Some folks in the war room say, no, he's all wrong.
We want a shutdown.
And I'm not, I'm scratching my head on those comments, folks.
I just, I want to go over this slow-mo, right?
We don't want a shutdown.
Right now, we want the SAVE Act, so we can save democracy, right?
So, of course, if you put the SAVE Act into place, the Senate may say no.
We may get pressure in the House, even.
But what we want is the SAVE Act, right?
We want much more than that.
We don't want a woken, weaponized budget.
If your congressman member from either side, Republican or Democrat, says, well, the good news is we're not going to increase spending.
Well, I hope not.
It's a $7 trillion budget that the CR is going to approve and go forward.
So when they make it, if any congressman is giving soundbites, this is saving money.
No, it's a disaster, right?
That's the budget that McCarthy handed up.
to Pelosi and the White House, to Biden, unilaterally, by himself, after promising the House they
wouldn't do that.
So I just want to put that in context.
The goal is the SAVE Act, right, to save democracy for real where citizens vote.
The goal is not a shutdown, right?
And so Perry had it just right.
If you put the SAVE Act in, the Speaker is going to have to decide at the end of the
day when the Senate comes back and says no, which they certainly will do.
That's when the shutdown debate will start.
So I just want to put an important caveat in there.
Our pleasure to welcome the crowd favorite back on all things domestic and international.
But today we're going to hit the international with Jack Posobiec.
Welcome to the War Room.
I've been trying to follow the world news.
It's just a dizzying pace with all these wars across all the countries.
And so I wanted you on again to go around the world.
And right now, you know, it's particularly problematic.
I've got some military friends here at Liberty Generals, great American heroes.
And I always used to be very happy that the military was under civilian control, meaning under the president, who's the commander-in-chief.
And right now, all political views are my own, but on the Democrats' side of the football, it's their administration.
They took out their own commander-in-chief, and they said he's not capable of running for the presidency.
And now Kamala Harris is running for the presidency.
And so, number one, you know, is this problematic?
Who's making the plague calls?
And then, you know, give us a tour de force around the globe with all the hotspots and you're the master on that.
Thanks, Jack Posobiec.
jack posobiec
Yeah, of course, and by the way, I'm also seeing those comments regarding the shutdown situation, and it's so simple.
We don't need a shutdown, folks.
The shutdown decision is the Democrats' decision, because all we're asking for is to make sure that illegal aliens can't vote.
And if illegal aliens can't vote and that the states are going to remove them from the voter rolls and arrest people who are involved in registering non-citizens to vote, then of course you get your CR.
It's as simple as that.
All you have to do is pass the SAVE Act and then there won't be any problem.
So, if you want to avoid the shutdown, just pass the SAVE Act.
It's that simple, ladies and gentlemen.
But, of course, the decision is going to be up to the Democrats and Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden.
So, we'll see.
We will see.
Now, that being said, we know that Joe Biden isn't actually in charge of the White House.
And we also saw that, by the way, with the yanking of him.
Which, by the way, Vladimir Putin is up on TV in Russia right now making fun of.
He's making fun of Joe Biden saying, well, we were supporting, we were supporting Joe Biden, but he was yanked from the presidential campaign and he has told his supporters to go and support Kamala Harris.
So very well, we will now support Kamala Harris.
She has such a wonderful laugh.
She's doing a great job.
I mean, he's, he's up there laughing at you.
He's up there laughing at the White House.
He's laughing at all of it.
And by the way, there was something that, this is very interesting, Dave.
There was something that Putin said in his Tucker interview that a lot of people missed, and it was this one piece where he would say, I came to learn, because we know Putin's been in power for a long time.
It's been, I think, 20 plus years at this point.
So he said, I've noticed that the issue is whenever I seem to negotiate with presidents in the United States, that they will tell me one thing, and then they will go and talk to their advisors and the intelligence committee.
and the intelligence community, and the intelligence community tells them something else. And so
he says, I gradually began to realize that it isn't the presidents who are actually in
charge in the United States. It's actually these national security guys. And maybe those
are the ones that we should be negotiating with because the presidents don't seem to
have any actual power. And so when you listen to the words of our system as described through
one of our adversaries, our competitors around the world, we realize that their view is actually
interesting to us because they're looking at it from the outside.
And it's perhaps actually instructive for us to look at it this way as well.
Are our presidents actually in charge of our governments?
And clearly, by the way, Joe Biden didn't make the decision to drop out.
So the question then becomes, well, who made that decision?
Was it really just the Obamas?
Was it Pelosi?
Was it Schumer?
Or were there people behind the scenes that were actually pulling the strings?
And we know this.
I think the average American knows this.
That's why when you have crazy situations, just go look around the world as you were mentioning earlier.
So you've got Ukraine has now pushed into Russia in the Kursk region.
They're going after the Kursk National Nuclear Power Plant.
They're potentially going after these pipelines that are running from Russia into Ukraine.
Of course, that's what this entire thing is about.
And don't think for one second that Burisma and Hunter Biden and the natural gas and the energy flows from Ukraine and Eastern Europe into Europe proper are not what all of this has been about from the very start.
That's why Hunter Biden 10 years ago was put on the board of Burisma.
It wasn't an accident.
It wasn't just about the money to him.
It wasn't just about the money to his father and his family and the policies.
No, it was about the energy sales to Europe.
That's what it's all about.
Because if you could control the energy, you can control the nations.
It's so strategic.
And by the way, President Trump talked about this again and again and again.
Who controls the energy, controls the decision makers, controls the strategic outlook.
Then you go down, not very far south of Ukraine, you've got what?
Israel, the Israel Gaza situation with now Hezbollah getting on board with Iran ramping things up.
It is currently threatening to break out into a wider regional war.
The Red Sea has already been essentially lost to the Houthis, because the Houthis have now successfully been able to conduct the first the first sea blockade from land and they're doing so With drones and the United States Navy, unfortunately, I hate to say this, but the United States Navy, my beloved United States Navy, has not performed well in response to this.
But of course, there's no accountability because the SECNAV is up there and isn't taking any questions.
The Congress doesn't really seem to be looking into it and we don't even know who to talk to.
Lloyd Austin, he's a ghost in Washington, D.C.
He doesn't even go to the White House for these briefings anymore, barely.
And we're told there's barely any discussion between the White House and him.
He's just freewheeling it, just totally freelancing, going into business for himself.
This has been a huge black mark on the stain of the Navy.
And let me tell you something.
You think that China isn't looking at that?
China is going to go around, mark my words, China will go around to all of these partner
nations throughout the Horn of Africa, throughout the Red Sea, to the Saudis, to the Iranians.
That's why they're talking to all of them and saying, Oh, look, the United States can't provide freedom of navigation or FONOPS at sea anymore.
And this has always been the raison d'etre.
This has always been the reason for our what we are stated reason for having the United States Navy have this massive force projection posture all around the world with bases in Japan with bases in Korea all throughout Asia all
throughout Africa this region throughout the Middle East.
It's only Qatar It's always been Bahrain
It's always been predicated on we are defending the freedom of navigation at the sea. Well, what if we're not doing
that anymore?
Well, I'll tell you what goes on right now. You are going to lose the current Mahanian strategy
And this is, by the way, this is all predicated on the model that the British Empire actually built.
That's why if you look at islands like Diego Garcia and the way stations along the way, the Seychelles, this is why you see the presence there and the working with the British.
This was the British Empire model that the US adopted post-World War II, sort of inherited in many ways.
And now that is what's breaking apart as we see this balance shake out towards multipolarity.
So who's going to backfill that?
It's the BRICS nations.
The BRICS nations are now chomping at the bit with China more than anyone from the naval presence that's going to step up.
And then you look at the United States, you know, leadership.
You look at Washington, D.C., and it's rudderless.
It is completely rudderless.
China understands this.
Russia understands this.
And that's why the Saudis are moving in a different direction.
dave brat
Yep, let me ask you on that rudderless thing.
They may actually have a rudder.
It seems like they got $30 million steering the rudder a certain way, going to the Biden family, as you pointed out, through Burisma.
And then the Harris connections to China, 30 trips from Waltz, et cetera.
We've had former retired Colonel John Mills on the show.
And he showed that we have currently 14 hotspots around the world right now.
And he said China is plausibly behind all 14, right?
He went through Asia, South America, Europe, the Middle East, etc.
And everything you just went through is depleting our resources from the main threat that we face, which is China.
And so we got a minute to go on this side of the block, Jack, but why don't you tee
us off on that?
What are we doing?
And we know China's coming after us, like you just said.
There's all sorts of news reports and Reuters yesterday, China intelligence inroads.
Of course, the Biden DIA reports to Reuters and somebody else.
Well, you know, they're being a little cautious.
All the evidence says they're disproportionately going after the Trump side.
And so give us a little more on the China piece, 30 seconds and we'll be right back
jack posobiec
after the break as well.
China understands that they want to be where the United States was circa the Iraq war invasion.
So where the United States was positionally in the world in terms of dominating the world hegemony, in terms of dominating the world system, that's where China wants to be and they seek to duplicate that model almost exactly as possible and you're
seeing them do this with a series of bases, a series of agreements around the
world focusing on strategic lines of communication and sea lines of communication like, oh by
the way, taking control of the Panama Canal. This is operating off of a plan the Chinese
Communist Party knows exactly what they're doing.
dave brat
Yep. Awesome job Jack.
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Back in the War Room with the great Stephen K. Bannon in-house with Jack Posobiec giving us a tour de force around the globe.
Former retired Colonel John Mills made the argument back that most all the hot spots are due to China.
Jack Posobiec just told us we're wasting huge resources around the world, losing some of
these proxy battles.
And the basic issue, right, that doesn't get repeated enough, and it needs to be repeated
every day by all of us.
Four years ago, we were not at war, right?
And so it does appear that key figures in history do matter.
Now we have 14 hotspots all over the globe, weakening us, using up our resources, our military is being depleted.
We're having a hard time with recruitment.
We're having a hard time with military culture.
We got woken weaponized way up at the top.
And so, Jack, how do we get this ship turned back on course?
And how do we get ready for China?
And what should leadership be doing about all of these hotspots around the world?
hate to put that all on your shoulders, but you're the man.
jack posobiec
Well, it's, it's, you know, there's, there's a few, there's, I mean, the easiest answer
is returned, Donald J. Trump and JD Vance to the White House as president and vice president
respectively.
JD Vance, of course, being an actual combat veteran, as opposed to Chris or Tim Walz to
freakish Timothy, who claimed he was a combat veteran, but actually was not one.
And Kamala Harris, by the way, if she hadn't grown up in Canada, maybe she would understand
the importance of gold star families and of Arlington and why you shouldn't be attacking
This, by the way, this is a situation that attacking gold star families is something that in another time period would have ended a presidential campaign.
That's number one.
Number two, getting hostages killed after you just had their family speak at your own rally.
That's something else that would in another timeframe would have had been an ender.
It would have been a campaign ender.
By the way, this is also why Tim Walz, because of his own stolen valor lies, can't come forward and respond to any of the Gold Star situation because of his own problems.
And so this team is not ready to lead.
I certainly hope that by that next week in Philadelphia, that foreign policy is asked about because Kamala Harris, I mean, she says things like Ukraine is a small country and Russia is a big country.
And we asked her a question about China.
I mean, she might be able to point it out on a map, but I don't know that you would really understand the difference between Why the United States supports Taiwan, the semiconductors, the importance of defending democracy in that part of the world, our allies with Japan and Korea and all, by the way, you know, Captain Finnell and Bradley Thayer have a fantastic book about this, but also understanding the underpinnings of our alliances in this region.
She has known whatsoever.
And so they're going to eat our lunch.
And it's simple, by the way.
If you want to keep the status quo pro-anti, if you want to return to that, all you have to do is bring Donald Trump back because he understands that if you have a strong military and a, by the way, a serious will to actually commit to action when needed, as we saw with the Soleimani strike, then you don't need to go to war.
You don't need to commit to boots on the ground all over the world like so many of these people do, like Hillary Clinton wanted to do, like Joe Biden has pushed for.
in this proxy war in Ukraine, you can actually seek diplomatic ends.
And then what does Trump always push for?
It's business deals.
How can we do business with these places?
How can we find a way to make a negotiation to seek peace?
And we saw him doing that with the Abraham Accords.
We saw him do that when he sent Rick Grinnell over to Kosovo.
We saw him do that personally when he sat down with Vladimir Putin,
that was there by the way, in Helsinki.
And he of course did that famously, directly man to man with Kim Jong-un
stepping into North Korea.
If you want peace, if you want prosperity, that's Donald Trump.
And, you know, I can't think of any more reason, by the way, that they would want to take him out, whether physically, as we saw in Butler, PA, or also just arresting him, convicting him.
But to end, of course, you know, we're just a couple of weeks away from sentencing with Judge Wamrishan over here in New York City.
And we know that there are so many strategic reasons that they want to take him off the board.
dave brat
Yeah, Jack, two minutes to go until break.
But give me a little, where are the senior statespeople on this stuff?
Where's the U.S.
Senate on foreign policy?
Everybody knows, right, in the strategic briefs, they do put China number one, maybe after the environment and after Woken weaponized.
But, you know, China is up there, and yet none of our resources and energies are being spent in preparation there.
Where are the senior voices at the New York Times, the foreign policy folks?
I mean, most of them are globalists, we know that, but there's got to be some good guys up there.
jack posobiec
Well, the issue is they're all taking bags of money from the Chinese Communist Party.
That's typically the main problem.
The Washington Post, the New York Times.
They're all being backfunded by this, and now you've got a guy, Tim Waltz, who's running that they're all lining up behind.
And of course, he is totally in bed with these guys with 30 trips over there.
You mean to tell me that the Ministry of State Security wasn't backbriefing him every time he went?
It's a joke.
It's a complete and utter joke.
It's very clear, by the way, this is also an issue the Wall Street Journal has, because, of course, China is the backbone of the globalist system.
China understands that their manufacturing, predicated on the slave labor of the Laobai Xing, of the Chinese people, has been the factory for the IP that is controlled and the investment, the foreign direct investment, that comes out of Wall Street.
This has been the deal that was sown in the blood of Tiananmen, When Scowcroft went over after Tiananmen Square, George H.W.
Bush's National Security Advisor made his secret meeting with the Chinese Communist Party.
It's so simple.
And I know we've got a quick break coming up, so I'll just give a shout out that I will be speaking this Saturday in Fort Worth.
And if anyone wants to continue this discussion or talk some more about this with the Tarrant County GOP, I'll be down there at Fort Worth.
Beau French will be there.
We'll be doing a fantastic Roundtable, talk all things foreign policy, all things
domestic.
Look, if you want to understand where we're going for this world, if you're in the Dallas-Fort Worth area,
it's incumbent, come out there. I know it's on a Saturday.
I know SEC is back.
So I know football is going on, but come on guys, let's sit down.
Let's actually have this discussion and I promise you, you'll watch the game after.
dave brat
Awesome.
Thanks, Jack Posobiec, for coming on The War Room.
And I just got to say, as a footnote to what Jack just said, President Trump, the only thing the left says and The Wall Street Journal says is tariffs.
The reason we want tariffs is not to have tariffs.
It's to stop the theft from China and the persecution of a Lao-Beijing, as Jack just said.
Once we get that, you can have free markets all you want.
But we want justice and fair trade first.
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