Aug. 7, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. | ||
| It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | |
| War Room Battleground. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Good evening, it is Tuesday, August 6th, in the year of our Lord, 2024. | ||
| I am Joe Allen, sitting in for Stephen K. Bannon, who sits unjustly in prison. | ||
| We talk a lot about technology and the rise of a technological society. | ||
| One of the greatest concerns that we have looking forward is that you would end up with a single or a single megacorp or a small cabal of megacorps controlling everything that you see, everything that you think, all of the information that gets you through your day funneled through a single entity. | ||
| Google, for the longest time, seemed like the prime candidate for the ultimate monopolist. | ||
| As of yesterday, though, it appears that Google has a tremendous challenge with the federal government. | ||
| The Justice Department has ruled that Google was in violation of American antitrust law. | ||
| To talk more about this, we're going to bring in Josh Hammer of Newsweek. | ||
| Josh Hammer, in his podcast series, America on Trial with Josh Hammer, has gone into detail about this, and he's here to tell us about what happened in the courtroom and what this means for the future of the American Internet and the American public consciousness. | ||
| Josh Hammer, welcome. | ||
| Thank you very much for coming. | ||
| It's great to be with you. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| So tell us about the trial and tell us about what led up to it. | ||
| We know that this began under Trump's administration. | ||
| It ramped up under Biden's. | ||
| What happened in the courtroom and what does Google face insofar as penalties? | ||
| Yeah, so this has been a years-long legal proceeding that finally came to a hilt yesterday in the courtroom of Judge Amit Mehta, who is a Barack Obama nominee, is actually a Democratic nominee to the federal bench there in Washington, D.C. | ||
| But as you just noted, this actually began all the way back under then-Attorney General Bill Barr. | ||
| And Bill Barr's assistant attorney general for antitrust at the time was Makan Delrahim. | ||
| So they were really kind of the two brainchilds who actually got this federal DOJ lawsuit started way back in 2020, four years ago or so. | ||
| Credit to the Biden, I don't say this very often, frankly, but credit to the Biden administration, | ||
| credit specifically to Jonathan Cantor, who is the current assistant AG for Antitrust. | ||
| He replaced Makan Deller. | ||
| He, credit to them for keeping this lawsuit going. | ||
| That's actually somewhat unusual to have a high profile lawsuit of this nature | ||
| continue across different partisan administrations. | ||
| But it really speaks, I think, to how nonpartisan, frankly, and really, if I can just elaborate, | ||
| how quintessentially American actually the case over Google as a monopolist is. | ||
| You know, simultaneously to this DOJ lawsuit, you actually have a concurrent lawsuit from the states. | ||
| If I'm not mistaken, literally all 50 state attorneys general | ||
| have actually signed on to this antitrust suit against Google. | ||
| So as you just alluded to, Google has been fairly out in the open, about as clear and obvious as a monopoly can possibly be to many of us. | ||
| So this trial started and it finally reached its conclusion in this 286-page ruling from Judge Mehta yesterday in Washington, D.C. | ||
| holding that under Section 2 of the Sherman Act, and the Sherman Act is America's foundational statute | ||
| in antitrust law, and it's the Sherman Act and the Clayton Act, which followed 15, 20 years | ||
| or so after that. | ||
| We're talking here about the age of the robber barons, you know, the term of the 20th century. | ||
| The Sherman Act was really put into place as the foundational antitrust statute. | ||
| Section 2 has to do with illegal monopolization, and the court holds that under Section 2 of the Sherman Act, | ||
| that Google's basic search function, as well as its general text advertising, | ||
| its advertising function, they are both natural monopolies. | ||
| And the judge has a bevy of facts, as you would imagine in a 286-page ruling. | ||
| This is no slouch of a judicial opinion. | ||
| Must have, you know, as a former federal law clerk myself, I can only imagine how long it took for clerks to draft this thing. | ||
| The judge to kind of go through with it with a fine tooth comb. | ||
| But the upshot here is that Google has a 90% market share give or take You know, frankly, I'm actually surprised it's not even higher, but 90% is the rough approximate market share in online search. | ||
| It's approximately 95% even higher for smartphone search function. | ||
| And part of that is that what Google does is they literally will pay Apple and Samsung, they will pay these smartphone manufacturers to make sure that when you open your mobile browser, it defaults to Google as a search engine result there. | ||
| It's actually very similar in many ways to the last high-profile antitrust lawsuit that was brought by the DOJ about two decades prior to Bill Barr launching this suit in 2020, which was the DOJ's case back then against Microsoft. | ||
| Back then, what they were accusing Microsoft of doing was trying to illicitly package their Internet Explorer browser Back into places where a natural market function would have given you a panoply of options. | ||
| So they were accusing Microsoft of monopolistic behavior then very, very similar, frankly, to what Google was accused and has now been held by the court of doing today. | ||
| So it is really a landmark ruling. | ||
| I cannot possibly overstate the importance of this. | ||
| It is the federal government's first major win in an antitrust case in literally 20 to 25 years or so. | ||
| Google's obviously going to get their shot at appeal, at least to the DC circuit. | ||
| It'll probably go to the full en banc, the full judges of the DC circuit. | ||
| Probably a decent chance this is gonna go all the way to the US Supreme Court, just given the high profile, | ||
| high visibility nature of this particular case. | ||
| On the point of remedy, what is actually gonna happen here, which you alluded to, | ||
| Interesting that the judge, Judge Mehta, did not decide that. | ||
| So this 286-page ruling was just going through the history, just crunching the numbers, doing a market analysis of the search function, the advertising market, just showing how they are actually monopolists. | ||
| He decided that there's going to be an entirely separate ruling on the question of relief, what the actual remedy will be. | ||
| And for those of us like myself who have been beating this drum for years now, | ||
| that Google is monopolist, we can't get our foot off the gas pedal yet, | ||
| at least until we actually find out what the remedy is. | ||
| So for instance, the judge could do a very lighthearted remedy where he could say, | ||
| basically, Google, you are forbidden from paying, for example, Apple and Samsung to make sure | ||
| that the search engine is default on your mobile browsers, or they could actually have a much higher profile remedy | ||
| where they force a divestiture maybe the Android smartphone app business, | ||
| things along those lines. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure what it would look like, but there are different types of remedies that it could look like in a massive antitrust case of this nature. | ||
| The final point I'll just make real briefly is that, you know, for those of us in kind of the more national, | ||
| conservative, national populist wing of the American right, this is a tremendous victory against the libertarians, | ||
| the chamber of commerce, the corporates, corporatists, excuse me, that wing of the party. | ||
| Back when Bill Barr and Makan Delrahim filed this lawsuit from the perch of the Trump DOJ back in 2020, | ||
| they received a massive amount of scorn, mockery and ridicule from the folks | ||
| like the Wall Street Journal editorial page, all the usual suspects, the people that are out there | ||
| kind of doing the chamber of commerce's bidding. | ||
| So in the American rights kind of internal antitrust battle, this is a tremendous victory for people like Josh Hawley, | ||
| Vance, all the people who have taken a more aggressive posture towards antitrust in a way that is less differential to corporate interests. | ||
| So it's a huge victory. | ||
| Again, Google's going to appeal. | ||
| We'll see where it goes. | ||
| But it's a massive, massive deal, I think. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It really does highlight the complexity of the internal politics on the right. | ||
| It reminds me a lot of, say, at the turn of the millennium, where you had the Koch brothers, the Wall Street Journal, all of these supposedly kind of right-wing or libertarian organizations pushing for open borders, eventually leading to mass immigration. | ||
| And now it's really flipped On the other side, and you see the same with Big Pharma, and now with Big Tech. | ||
| I'm cautiously optimistic myself. | ||
| I think it's fantastic that a corporation like Google might be brought to heel. | ||
| I also think it's great that you have more public consciousness around it. | ||
| I think that for the longest time, people kind of let Google sit in the background, | ||
| sifting through their emails and everything else without any real suspicion that maybe, | ||
| just maybe, it was in Google's interest and not in the public's interest. | ||
| Real quickly, I just want to know, if this does go forward, if Google is brought to heel, | ||
| if they are either no longer allowed to kind of pay to play with Apple, Mozilla, Samsung, | ||
| if Google is, or in the most extreme case, forced to kind of break up some of the smaller | ||
| subsidiary companies, what happens then? | ||
| Because right now you have all of these kind of little tech players, so to speak, Marc | ||
| Andreesen, Ben Horowitz, and then of course the longstanding sort of tech guys, the broligarchs, | ||
| as they've been called, like Peter Thiel, and now Elon Musk, moving in to influence | ||
| the Trump administration. | ||
| Do you see this as being a way of kind of cracking the rainbow block of the gray tribe to let the red, white, and blue block of the gray tribe in, so to speak? | ||
| Look, I think it has that kind of potential for sure. | ||
| I mean, I saw a lot of people on Twitter, X, whatever we're calling it these days. | ||
| I saw a lot of people on X yesterday basically saying, you know, Elon Musk, when are you going to release your search engine? | ||
| I mean, just this morning, you know, in a separate but nonetheless related headline, you know, the general counsel at Google actually admitted That the search algorithms, when you search Donald Trump assassination attempt, the Google in-house general counsel actually admitted that it was not showing up. | ||
| And, you know, he appealed to this, like, neutral thing that they were trying to make sure that presidential violence or political violence didn't show up. | ||
| No one's buying that. | ||
| I mean, Google single-handedly in the 2016 election, based on the testimony in the U.S. | ||
| Senate in 2017 of a PhD sociologist by the name of Robert Epstein, Dr. Epstein testified that Google swayed 3 million votes from Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton in 2016. | ||
| And he was actually, by the way, Dr. Epstein was a Hillary Clinton voter, and that was nonetheless his testimony. | ||
| You know, the question of Google and the big tech oligarchs in general, which is why the antitrust case was so important, the question is not necessarily as micro as, you know, whether it's more or less convenient to have Google on your smartphone. | ||
| No, it's not about that. | ||
| We're talking here about fundamental questions of sovereignty and who actually guards the watchman, who watches the watchman, who controls America's own destiny at a very kind of high level philosophical level. | ||
| Are we actually controlling who receives information via our own accountable actors in Washington, D.C., our own elected officials, or are we essentially outsourcing those decisions to unaccountable Silicon Valley dweebs At places like Google and Mountain View, California, who they're recruiting from the same kind of incestuous Cal Berkeley and Stanford PhD computer science programs. | ||
| I mean, it really is a question of sovereignty at the end of the day here. | ||
| And that's part that's kind of part of this broader political rethink that I was alluding to earlier. | ||
| I think the proper way to view massive, unaccountable corporations like Google is kind of the classical idea of the corporation, which the corporation is ultimately chartered by the government. | ||
| You literally have a charter of governance for a corporation. | ||
| And ultimately, the classical view of the corporations is that the corporation is ultimately accountable to the common good, to the public good, and when it deviates from that mission, it can be reined in appropriately by we, the people, who are actually sovereign under our constitutional order. | ||
| So that's kind of a philosophical upstream argument, but the legally downstream Sherman Act case is open and shut. | ||
| It's a fantastic ruling. | ||
| I would love to see rival search engines pop up from the broligarchs, Elon Musk, people like that. | ||
| That would be fantastic, honestly. | ||
| Well, I guess a transhumanist revolution is going to need its right wing as much as its left. | ||
| Josh Hammer, I really appreciate you coming on. | ||
| Where can people find American on Trial, America on Trial, and where can people find your writings? | ||
| Yeah, thank you so much. | ||
| So I'm on Twitter, Josh underscore Hammer. | ||
| I have a syndicated column that goes up at Newsweek and a bunch of other publications as well. | ||
| And then I host two shows, America on Trial with Josh Hammer and then also the Josh Hammer Show. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Thank you very much, sir. | ||
| Thank you for coming by. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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| Now back to the fire on the ground. | ||
| The United Kingdom has seen enormous upheavals on the backs of a murder. | ||
| You had an immigrant, as it was originally reported, but as it turns out, a nationalized UK citizen who murdered three girls with a knife, leading to enormous social upheaval. | ||
| We'll bring in a video and then Rick Munn from Ireland. | ||
| Let's see the video, Denver. | ||
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I had a Cobra meeting this morning which was an opportunity that I took to thank the police for their work over the last few days, to express my support for the police officers who have been injured and the communities impacted by this mindless thuggery. | |
| There are a number of actions that came out of the meeting. | ||
| The first is we will have a standing army of specialist officers, public duty officers, so that we'll have enough officers to deal with this where we need them. | ||
| The second is we'll ramp up criminal justice. | ||
| There have already been hundreds of arrests. | ||
| Some have appeared in court this morning. | ||
| I've asked for early consideration of the earliest naming and identification of those involved in the process, who will feel the full force of the law. | ||
| And thirdly, I've been absolutely clear that the criminal law applies online as well as offline, and I'm assured that that's the approach that is being taken. | ||
| Whatever the apparent motivation, this is not protest. | ||
| It is pure violence and we will not tolerate attacks on mosques or our Muslim communities. | ||
| So the full force of the law will be visited on all those who are identified as having taken part in these activities. | ||
| The full force of the law will be visited on all those who are identified as having taken part in these activities. | ||
| Aaaaaaaaaaaah! Aaaaaaaaaaah! Aaaaaaaah! Aaaaaaaah! | ||
| He's losing fucking marbles! | ||
| Aaaaaaaah! | ||
| Go, go, go! | ||
| You're being a fucking idiot. You're being a fucking idiot. | ||
| I'm fucking. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right. | ||
| Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. | ||
| The fucking muscle man. I'm not peaceful. You're white. | ||
| Fuck you. I like that. Okay. | ||
| you Quite disturbing indeed. | ||
| Rick Munn, coming to us from Ireland. | ||
| Rick has followed this in detail, as well as other immigration issues in the UK. | ||
| Rick, what can you tell us about the murder that sparked this off, the resulting uprising, and what the potentials are for a government crackdown in response? | ||
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Well, this all kicked off, Joe, last week when someone entered a children's playgroup area and stabbed three children so far to death. | |
| There was two died initially. | ||
| One died following that. | ||
| Other people are critically injured. | ||
| A lot of speculation on who the stabber was. | ||
| Tensions have been running very, very high. | ||
| In the UK and Ireland here at the moment over the whole migration or illegal immigration issue. | ||
| So speculation started to spin on who the stabber was. | ||
| The police weren't releasing any details. | ||
| A fake news outlet released a false name, an Arabic sounding name that was picked up on by a lot of the so-called commentators who dived straight in at the deep end without doing their fact checking before spreading this around. | ||
| Turned out to be false. | ||
| Then it turned out to be the police were saying this was a Cardiff-born Welsh teenager had done the stabbing, which I believe was the case. | ||
| The person doing the stabbing was actually born in the UK. | ||
| However, he is from a family of Rwandan immigrants. | ||
| So, of course, that stoked tensions up even higher. | ||
| So when a vigil was being held for the children that were stabbed, tensions were extremely high in this place called Southport. | ||
| And someone else was spotted there, an Asian character with a knife, so that set everything off and the vigil turned very quickly. | ||
| There was a riot happening at the same time as the peaceful vigil, so a complete mess. | ||
| since last week and of course the attention is very much turned on to ratting now. | ||
| This has sparked off rats right across the UK. | ||
| We're seeing rats in Birmingham, we're seeing rats in Plymouth last night, in Belfast we | ||
| had them on Saturday, Bolton, all over the place. | ||
| So tensions are very high at the minute here, Joe, tensions are very high. | ||
| You know, we hear there from your prime minister, Keir Starmer, that the thugs will be brought | ||
| to justice, both those acting offline and those online. | ||
| Implicit in a lot of his rhetoric is that the thuggery is coming from the far right, but at least on social media, people who are independently releasing footage, we see that there's plenty of counter-insurgency, maybe you could say, from those of the Muslim background in the UK. | ||
| As we're moving forward, you have a very deep knowledge of the justice system in the UK and perhaps its biases. | ||
| Can we expect to see those who are committing violence on the streets to be prosecuted evenly across the board, or is there some expectation that there will be a bias in the system? | ||
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Well, let me give you another example, Joe. | |
| Two weeks ago, approximately, there was an incident at Manchester Airport where footage was released of a police officer who had tasered a suspect to the ground, kicked him in the head and stomped on his head and then dropped the knee to the kidney. | ||
| This was released widely across social media, so obviously the police were being branded racist. | ||
| However, footage later emerged Of the people that had been tased, this man and his brother, violently attacking police in the airport. | ||
| So they were a firearms unit, they were dispatched, and this was going backwards and forwards. | ||
| The police are racist. | ||
| No, they're defending themselves. | ||
| They used too much force. | ||
| No, they didn't. | ||
| To cut a long story short, the two people that were involved in the assaults on police officers in Manchester airport, one of the policewomen, Allegedly received a broken nose for her troubles as well. | ||
| They have both been released on bail and employed the services of a human rights lawyer saying that their human rights have been impinged and they're being branded racist and it's affecting their lives. | ||
| That's what you have on one side. | ||
| On the other side, you have people that have been coloured as a result of these riots across the UK and the government's making it very clear that there's zero tolerance for this, that they'll feel the full force of the law. | ||
| And prison spaces have been cleared to detain them. | ||
| But this is in contrast to people that have violently assaulted, for example, police officers at Manchester Airport, released on bail, other people that are looting, for example, food shops, coming out with some food, for example, and get caught up in these rats. | ||
| They're being remanded in custody until they are tried and then sentenced. | ||
| The whole business of two-tier policing is very much on display. | ||
| Even yesterday in Birmingham, there seemed to be a very softly, softly approach when it came to certain communities that were being policed, whereas in protests in London the other night, other groups, let's just say, were being cattled and violently beaten. | ||
| So this hashtag has started to appear. | ||
| On social media platforms, even Elon Musk himself is using it in reference to the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and the hashtag is two tier Keir in relation to his perceived approach to policing in the UK, two tier policing. | ||
| And he's came out this week to vigorously deny that that's the case. | ||
| But you can't deny the evidence of your own ears. | ||
| And even a blind man on a galloping horse could see it, that there is two tier policing in effect in Britain at the minute. | ||
| Gotta love those Irish idioms. | ||
| So we have only just a few moments left, but speaking of Ireland and their wonderful facility with language, I have seen a lot of your coverage about migrants being moved in under order of the UK government. | ||
| Oftentimes, seeing ferry fields or the kind of classic Celtic sites being destroyed to build up apartment housing for migrants and, of course, the native population being moved out. | ||
| Just in the few moments we have left, can you give us some sense of how this spreads out across the entirety of the UK? | ||
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Well, actually, in Ireland, Joe, it's a little bit more complicated because you have it divided into North and South, at least in some people's eyes. | |
| So the North is still under the control of the UK government. | ||
| The South of the Republic is very much under control of the Irish government. | ||
| But both governments have the same approach. | ||
| They're bringing men, mostly men, into local communities and forcing them in there. | ||
| The communities aren't even being forced out, Joe. | ||
| These men are being forced into share space with them, and there is no amenity. | ||
| Some of the villages, for example, that these men are being sent into have a community of around about 200 to 300 villagers, and there could be as many as 200 to 300 foreign men being planted into the middle of them. | ||
| The residents are not being listened to. | ||
| They're not being given an ear. | ||
| They're being deemed to be xenophobic, right-wing extremists, racists. | ||
| Call them whatever you want. | ||
| These are old men. | ||
| These are old women. | ||
| These are young mothers and young fathers with young families in the area. | ||
| And of course, they have a legitimate concern. | ||
| Why are these men being forced in here? | ||
| We don't want them here. | ||
| We don't have the services. | ||
| We don't even have the doctor's services to support our own community. | ||
| Let alone to support a doubling of the community overnight by foreign men. | ||
| We don't even know who they are. | ||
| What are they going to do? | ||
| There's no jobs here. | ||
| How are they going to integrate? | ||
| So legitimate concerns, Joe, are being completely ignored by both the Irish and the British governments at the minute. | ||
| That's why we see ourselves in the position we're in. | ||
| And it's equally bad in Ireland at the moment with regards to sites being allocated for these men to be forced into communities. | ||
| You know, in this age, all boundaries are broken, both national and those between the sacred and profane. | ||
| Rick Munn, where can people find you? | ||
| disregard to people's feelings, fears and concerns by their respective governments. | ||
| Hence, we find ourselves with flashpoints appearing now on things getting progressively | ||
| more violent. You know, in this age, all boundaries are broken, both national and | ||
| those between the sacred and profane. Rig Mun, where can people find you? You have a lot of | ||
| great material on Twitter and of course, or X, and of course, at TNT. Please tell everybody where | ||
| they can follow you. | ||
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I have a live show on TNT news, tnt.news, Monday through Friday at 10 to midday UK time. | |
| And also if you do use the X or Twitter platform, you can find me. | ||
| My handle is no risk, no reward, but of course everything's inverted on there. | ||
| So it's at no reward, underscore no risk. | ||
| That's where you can find my musings if you're so desired to do so. | ||
| Rigman, we really appreciate you coming by. | ||
| Hope to speak to you again soon. | ||
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| All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | ||
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| Be in no doubt, those that have participated in this violence will face the full force | ||
| of the law. | ||
| The police will be making arrests, individuals will be held on remand, charges will follow and convictions will follow. | ||
| I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online and then running away themselves. | ||
| This is not protest. | ||
| It is organised violent thuggery. | ||
| And it has no place on our streets or online. | ||
| All right, welcome back. | ||
| I'm Joe Allen, sitting in for Stephen K. Bannon, who sits in prison unjustly. | ||
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| So now that we're seeing the actual realities of this unfold, we see that ethnic hatred, | ||
| which some would say is embedded in the human DNA as a tribal instinct to protect one's | ||
| own in-group against the out-group. | ||
| Then you see this stoked by media-saturated culture in which a single event can rip across a population and send everyone into turmoil. | ||
| We know for certain that the government and the tech companies that support the government's activities are now positioned to exert ever more power of surveillance, of silencing active voices, and of course, in certain instances, of bringing people into custody on the basis of nothing more than what they've said, Or perhaps what they have done that has been caught on camera but is not being evenly prosecuted across the society. | ||
| To speak about this, I'd like to bring in Noor Bin Laden. | ||
| Noor, of course, has a fascinating biography which puts her in the center of a lot of this ethnic conflict and also, in many ways, I would say, if I may speak for you to some extent, Noor transcends these conflicts. | ||
| So, Noor, what can you tell us about your perspective on these ongoing riots and, of course, what the likely government and technological response will be? | ||
| Thank you very much, Joe, for your introduction. | ||
| The first thing I'll say, which is a summary, is that it's always the same playbooks, namely two of them that we are seeing play out right now. | ||
| The first one being divide and rule, and the second being problem reaction solution. | ||
| And this is precisely what is unfolding here in Europe, in the UK more specifically. | ||
| And Mr. Munn did a brilliant job in the previous segment Laying down and explaining to the audience what is actually happening on the ground. | ||
| If I may, I'd like to bring a little bit of a historical perspective to explain how we got here in the first place. | ||
| And in my opinion, you can draw a straight line between the destabilization and destruction of the Middle East under our, quote, leaders, namely Obama, Merkel, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, all of these characters. | ||
| During, you know, the Arab Spring and then the opening of the floodgates of these migrants in Europe with a key turning point in 2015. | ||
| Of course, this influx of mass migration started many years, many decades before. | ||
| But we are seeing right now the culmination of this manufactured, deliberate operation on the West. | ||
| And it is very painful to watch this unfold as our countries here are being in such turmoil with crimes skyrocketing from rapes to murders and various different assaults and seeing how these are being used in multiple ways against us, namely also to crack down on our freedoms. | ||
| I'm curious, when you say that this is deliberate, do you suspect that the current upheaval that we see right now was in some way either intended directly or perhaps just the natural outcome of mass immigration, putting people in close quarters together and kind of waiting to see what would happen, knowing that inevitably ethnic tensions would be sparked off? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| In that sense, it is very much the opposite of organic and it was just a matter of time until such chaos would would essentially be so visible in the streets of our countries. | ||
| But this has been a longstanding plan. | ||
| And I would say that actually, we are living through the culmination of over 200 years of political subversion, intelligence operations and paramilitary tactics. | ||
| You know, you can go back to the early 1800s, late 17th hundreds, early 1800s, up to today, with obviously the two | ||
| world wars of the 20th century with the creation of NATO. | ||
| I was on the show in June to discuss NATO and to denounce the organization and calling | ||
| for its dismantling, because when it comes to these types of tactics, NATO has been absolutely | ||
| instrumental specifically in Europe in creating these destabilizations and these subversive | ||
| operations through the use of paramilitary networks. | ||
| You know, I'm obviously referring to Operation Gladio or also known as the Stand Behind operation. | ||
| And this is nothing new, unfortunately, Joe. | ||
| They infiltrate different groups and they create chaos by using such tactics as assassination, as psychological warfare. | ||
| And the goal is to manipulate and steer society and shape society in the way that they would like. | ||
| You know, I think about, as Mun had mentioned, the initial reporting that this was an Arabic immigrant, only to find out that it was the descendant of Rwandan immigrants. | ||
| But you think about the rapidity of spread of such social media stories, right? | ||
| That you can send out a single meme, spark off mass violence, and then you can even kind of implicate the people who are outraged by saying, oh, this is all based on falsehood, when in fact the original grievance that your country is being inundated by foreign nationals, and that your rights, as in this case UK citizens, are being trampled upon, Then the same organizations, perhaps or perhaps not, that initially seeded the false narrative could then use that to smear your character or the collective character of your group. | ||
| And then simultaneously, as you see the uprising, you have facial recognition technologies, you already have just people You know, as swarms videotaping everything they're doing anyway, you have social network mapping and all these different technological methods to kind of scoop up what the kind of bad seeds that you yourself planted, if we take it as a single sort of organization. | ||
| So what I want to ask you is, if this is the case, if in fact you can find both the same player in the problem, in the reaction, in the solution, Who are they and what is it that they want? | ||
| What direction is it that they're trying to take all of this? | ||
| What I will say is that they are using something that is called the strategy of tension by pitting these different groups together that are clearly incompatible. | ||
| And why I sent you the clip, you know, that specific clip of Keir Starmer is because through the use of this strategy of tension, then they can come up with the quote solutions and the solutions, um, inevitably lead to loss of freedoms for the, quote, local population. | ||
| So that's us here in the West. | ||
| And you just alluded to some of them, you know, from mass surveillance, you know, the increase of CCT cameras, facial recognition, obviously in lockstep with EU regulations on censorship and, you know, quote, disinformation, the rolling out of digital IDs. | ||
| The goal here, one of the key goals is obviously to end online anonymity. | ||
| And that speech specifically that Keir Starmer gave after the riots was so dystopian and so honest, you know, in terms of what awaits the population of our countries. | ||
| And all I could think about was what about the repercussions for the people committing the actual crimes? | ||
| You see, they're using these protests, which in my opinion, like many of the protests, have been subverted and, you know, you have agitators there that, you know, burn things to the ground, etc. | ||
| All of this to detract from the reason why people are protesting in the first place, which the government is entirely responsible for. | ||
| It is because of the state. | ||
| It is because of their policies. | ||
| that we are in the situation right now and that there is this violence and that our children, our mothers, you know, fathers are being, are being murdered and raped and assaulted. | ||
| And, um, and Mr. Munn, you know, alluded to it or, you know, um, called it out for what it is, uh, two-tier policing and a two-tier justice system. | ||
| And, um, Keir Starmer made no apologies for it. | ||
| Well, Noor, I feel your outrage, and without a doubt, whether through incompetence, malice, or some combination, we know who is, in fact, responsible for all of this. | ||
| Noor, where can people find you? | ||
| Where can we find your writings? | ||
| Your last piece was absolutely fantastic. | ||
| And how can we follow you on the social media slave chain? | ||
| Thank you very much, Joe. | ||
| The one last thing I'd like to say is, you know, all of this may seem overwhelming, but I would say that the first step in defending oneself against psychological warfare tactics is to be aware of them. | ||
| And so that is one of the key topics I write about on my substack, norbinladin.substack.com. | ||
| And if I may, my dear, dear friend Richard Poe released a book entitled How the British Invented Communism and Blamed It on the Jews, and the foreword was written by yours truly, and it goes over the past 200 years of such tactics as well, and how our intelligence services have been working against us and towards the demise of our populations here in the West. | ||
| Noor, thank you very much for your insight. | ||
| We look forward to seeing you again. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Our next guest, Courtney Turner, who hosts the Courtney Turner Podcast, has actually recently interviewed Richard Poe, and has spent a lot of time researching the sorts of political, spiritual, and in many ways intelligence agency-based operations that have led us up to the point we're at today. | ||
| I'd like to bring in Courtney to talk first about perhaps the relevance of Mr. Poe's book, but also the Fabian connection, | ||
| the Fabian Society's connection to Keir Starmer. | ||
| And what is the importance of the Fabian Society maybe still relevant today? | ||
| Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me. | ||
| Yes, and this is actually what my conference is really all about, is exactly what Nourboulan just brought up, these dialectical tensions. | ||
| And so the Fabians are kind of at the heart of that. | ||
| They started in the late 1800s, I believe it was 1884. | ||
| And they were, you know, their original coat of arms was the wolf in sheep's clothing. | ||
| And I believe this was actually a nod to these dialectical warfare tactics that they are such masters of weaponizing. | ||
| Their mascot is the tortoise. | ||
| And they even today on their, if you look like on their Facebook, they have a picture of this tortoise. | ||
| And it says, when I strike, I snap hard. | ||
| And it's the model of incrementalism. | ||
| So it was this idea of instead of a violent revolution, that it would be this slow, gradual, | ||
| based on the ancient figure of Fabius Maximus, this idea that slowly, gradually, they would | ||
| infiltrate and subvert. | ||
| And I think that's really the heart of what we're seeing today. | ||
| And there's a really great book. | ||
| And it's funny, because my friend Jay Dyer, who's going to be speaking at the conference, | ||
| actually posted, he's been lecturing on this book for a very long time. | ||
| I've done some lectures with Monica Perez on this book as well. | ||
| And he posted it, and I retweeted it. | ||
| A couple of other people did. | ||
| It went viral, and he was kind of mystified by it. | ||
| But I'm really glad, because I think it does—it's called The Milner-Fabian Conspiracy, and it's written by Ian Ratu, and I think it does a great job of outlining how they have played these dialectical tensions. | ||
| These same people have pitted these two groups against each other, who they knew were fundamentally, | ||
| as Nora just explained, fundamentally opposed to each other. | ||
| So it's not – when people want to say, like, it's just simple and we can find an easy | ||
| solution, the reality is they don't want to. | ||
| They want to stoke these kinds of tensions because they want to breed chaos. | ||
| And the chaos is a breeding ground for usurpation of power. | ||
| And they're really at the heart of so much of what we're seeing today, not just with the political tensions, but, you know, with a lot of the religious kind of momentum that we're seeing at the heart of things like the UN. | ||
| The UN's, you know, spiritual underbelly or their consultancy, as they refer to it, is Lucious Trust. | ||
| And that was, of course, created by Alice Bailey in 1922. | ||
| It was originally called Lucifer Publishing, and I think that was a little too on the nose, so they changed it to Lucius Truss. | ||
| But Alice Bailey was the disciple of Madame Blavatsky, who started the Theosophical Society in 1875. | ||
| And some of the other founding members were Annie Besant, who was also a Fabian socialist. | ||
| and a member of the Fabian Society. | ||
| So they had brought in a lot of these theosophical leaders in order to create some of this religious | ||
| subversion because they understood that it's not just political tensions through policy. | ||
| A lot of it is a cultural movement. | ||
| And oftentimes people think about, when they think of cultural subversion, they think of | ||
| the neo-Marxists, they think of the Frankfurt School. | ||
| There was actually a lot of convergence between the two. | ||
| I've done a lot of my research on Tavistock Institute of Human Relations. | ||
| Tavistock's predecessor was the British War Propaganda Bureau, and a lot of the founding members were either Milner Group or Fabian Society members. | ||
| You know, Deece, I wish we had five hours to talk about this, but I hope to bring you on again really soon to kind of tease out the complexities underpinning not only the Fabian Society, Lucius Trust, and all of these strange occult threads. | ||
| I know that you're holding a conference in just about a week and a half, right? | ||
| What is your conference? | ||
| Where are you holding it? | ||
| Who's going to be there? | ||
| So it's a two-day conference and we do have in-person tickets for day two, which is August 17th. | ||
| But for those who cannot attend, you can watch both days online. | ||
| We have the live stream tickets available. | ||
| One-day live stream tickets are $17.76. | ||
| I wanted to, you know, capture the essence and spirit of that. | ||
| But two days is a great discount. | ||
| It's $25 for the two-day live stream. | ||
| You can find those at CognitiveLibertyConference.com. | ||
| And the first day, the focus is going to be on education, which, you know, hearkens to the Fabians, whose whole motto was educate, agitate, and then organize. | ||
| So really, they were very instrumental in what our friend, the late Charlotte Iserbeak, called the deliberate dumbing down of America. | ||
| And they really targeted the West, but primarily the United States of America. | ||
| And they did that very fundamentally through the indoctrination and brainwashing of education systems. | ||
| So we're going to go through that. | ||
| We've got John Kleisik, who wrote School World Order. | ||
| He's going to be there. | ||
| We've got Matthew Crawford. | ||
| We have Tiffany Boyd and Aaron Cyprus, who has a She calls it the modern schoolhouse model. | ||
| And so that's going to be the first day and we'll go through the history of the delivered dumbing down of America, what that agenda is, what is the goal of that to create, you know, what, why was the world core curriculum adopted to become common core in the United States to create, sorry? | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| I guess, Courtney, we are running up on the clock, but if you will just let everyone know again, where can they get tickets? | ||
| What are the dates? | ||
| And give us a couple more names. | ||
| Okay, so you can get it at CognitiveLibertyConference.com. | ||
| Day two is going to have James Lindsay, Jay Dyer, Stephen Coughlin, Michael O'Fallon, and Dr. John Gentry. | ||
| And that focus is going to be on dialectical, political, psychological warfare, exactly what we're talking about now and what we're seeing so aggressively weaponized today. | ||
| And you can get those tickets at CognitiveLibertyConference.com. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| I look forward to going myself and thank you very much for coming on. | ||
| We look forward to having you back. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
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