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unidentified
And that is proof of the evolution, or I would say appropriately, the devolution of this party into this wasteland of Trumpism.
Now, the question is, what does Trump say on Thursday night?
And that's going to be the ultimate moment where we know for a fact that we've turned the page, we've crossed the Rubicon, and there's a different man here.
Spoiler alert, there will not be a different Trump.
Because he has not internalized what happened the way you and I would have internalized it.
There is nothing about that moment that will have changed this man and his outlook on how he sees things and how he intends to prosecute the case against Democrats who are still today in Congress trying to stir up petitions to forestall the inevitable.
And to create more negative narratives about the current administration that fuels the beast that is outside the gates with the incoming, potential incoming administration.
chris hayes
Mass deportation, right?
How do you view assessing whether these are rhetorical sops to certain parts of the base or actual serious people?
unidentified
I think it's much more serious these times because I think that the people that are going to go work for him are going to be much more aligned with what his agenda is.
And to me, like, kind of the words that are coming out of all these, like, middle manager speakers that happened earlier in the day are less important than when you saw the former president walk in last night and sit in that box.
Who was sitting in there?
Was Tucker Carlson?
Was J.D.
Vance?
Was Byron Donalds?
Very extreme Florida congressman.
It was his kids.
It was the populous nationalists of the party.
And when we had the reporting today, we were going to talk about Elon and the tech bros later, and they said when Trump was vacillating on Vance, who called him?
Tucker.
Elon.
His kids.
Teal.
What do all those guys want to do?
Mass deportations!
Like, that is their agenda.
This isn't the old Republican Party anymore.
So, you know, some of the more old-school Republicans can go up on the stage in the 7 o'clock hour and talk about energy or whatever, but to me, the Project 2025 mass firings, the mass deportations, the Department of Justice overhaul, like, that's what they're going to care about.
Yes, but talk to me a little bit about the J.D.
Vance of this all.
A lot of people are just learning more about him.
What should people know about him?
What concerns you about him?
And what is kind of exciting the party about him too right now?
Well, Jen, I think that this is officially the end of the Reagan Republican Party.
Two things stood out to me last night.
Number one, the J.D.
Vance pick, another hardcore populist, maybe even more populist than Donald Trump.
And then, of course, there was that big union speech at the Republican National Convention, something totally extraordinary.
That puts Trump and his movement at odds with the congressional wing of the Republican Party.
I think if Donald Trump wins this election, you're going to see clashes between him and
a lot of congressional Republicans who do come from that old Reagan school of Republican
politics, pro-business, not in line at all with the union messaging that was so prominent
last night, a primetime slot.
It was really a radical shift from the Republican Party that I grew up in and that most Republicans who are still elected in Congress today respond to and came of age in.
chris hayes
Um, I think a lot of the discussions about Vance particularly and the sort of Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Tucker Carlson people around him is the sort of opportunistic ideological transformation.
But I would just say, if you watch him there, don't underestimate the degree to which all these gentlemen, gentlemen, have kind of self-radicalized online and pickled their brains in a brine of truly noxious and monstrous ideology.
unidentified
Hi Mark, I'm Grayson.
Alright, we do have breaking news.
Former Trump White House advisor Peter Navarro has been released from prison.
He'd been serving a sentence for contempt of Congress.
CNN senior crime and justice reporter Caitlin Polansky is with us now with the details.
Caitlin, what are you learning?
John, Peter Navarro is out of prison after spending four months at a prison camp in Miami.
This is a former Trump White House advisor who had written in a book, spoken publicly about his interest in helping Trump overturn the election results.
And then when Congress subpoenaed him to testify and to provide records, he blew them off!
He didn't do it and so he was prosecuted.
He was convicted by a jury and he was sent to prison for contempt of Congress.
He always said that he believed Trump didn't want him to share the information with Congress and since then he has positioned himself Since his conviction, he was positioning himself as essentially a martyr for Trump, a person who was caught in this overreach of Congress.
He is now traveling to Milwaukee, or at least we expect him to show up in Milwaukee after leaving that prison in Miami today so that he can speak at the Republican convention and further discuss this This issue that he has been caught up in, he says, this issue of separation of powers and Congress and people going after Donald Trump and others.
But I have spoken to his prison consultants several times about what it was like for Peter Navarro in prison.
He did do his time all four months of it.
He worked as a law library clerk.
And from what I have heard, other inmates would high five him.
He was quite liked inside.
John?
It'll be interesting to see if he speaks at the convention.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
kash patel
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
chris hayes
The people have had a belly full of it.
kash patel
I know you don't like hearing that.
unidentified
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
Hey, everybody.
kash patel
Welcome from day three of the Republican National Convention.
I am here with the amazing and one and only Monica Crowley, probably one of the brightest minds in media.
And so it's a really special day for me to be here hosting with her.
Thanks for joining.
And we'll kick it off shortly.
We've got a lot of great guests coming up.
We're going to talk about, obviously, Peter Navarro getting out of prison today.
I think he's coming directly to the RNC.
And we're also going to talk about my movie, Government Gangsters, which is debuting tomorrow here at the Miller High Life Arena.
At 2 p.m., doors open free for all, so anyone in Milwaukee, come on by and check it out.
But I thought we'd start with a recap of what happened last night.
And there's literally no better person to talk to about it than Monica.
What was your take about all the speeches?
The crowd, the president, how'd you see it all?
monica crowley
Well, first of all, it's so good to be here with you too, Cash.
Speaking of brilliant, right back at you.
And it is such an honor and a joy to be here sitting in Steve Bannon's seat.
Our good friend Steve should be here.
Throughout this convention and certainly in light of what's happened over the weekend, President Trump, by the grace of God, he is still with us, fighting on toward November and beyond to save America.
So it really is an honor and a pleasure to be in his chair, and he will return.
As you mentioned, Peter Navarro, who has just spent four months in federal prison, will be joining us tomorrow.
He's flying straight here to Milwaukee, to the RNC, directly from being bounced out of federal prison today.
So it's going to be quite a scene.
It is remarkable.
I've been to many Republican conventions, Cash, and I have to tell you, this one is of a completely different nature.
Really?
By magnitude.
This convention is, first of all, the energy is off the charts.
And I remember in 2016, as literally President Trump's very first supporter, as far as I know, outside of his own family, I was literally with him day one when he came down that escalator and went on Fox and other networks talking about how he wasn't just going to be the nominee, he was going to be the president.
And I was pretty much the only one out there saying this.
For me personally, this journey over the last nine years, watching this man come out of nowhere, having never done any of this before, this journey of just astonishing the world in 2016, and then having an incredibly successful powerhouse first term, delivering for the forgotten men and women, delivering for the American people.
Robust economy, enforced border, law and order, and world peace.
And as I always say, I don't know what the American people expect or want from an American president beyond that, okay?
Beyond that.
So to watch this journey to now We are really witnessing the greatest political comeback in American political history.
And Cash, you'll recall that my very first boss out of college, and I'm sure many of you guys know this as well, was former President Richard Nixon.
Right.
I was not born when he was elected.
I worked with him during the last years of his life.
And up until Donald Trump, Richard Nixon had the greatest American political comeback.
From 1960 where that election was stolen from Richard Nixon and we talked about that and if you want to talk about stolen elections we can do that.
But then he came back in 1968 and then won again in 1972 in an historic landslide.
He held the claim to the greatest comeback until now.
And so what you are seeing unfold is true history here at this convention and going forward to the election.
And I think what we saw last night was remarkable, Cash, because you saw a parade of his former political rivals, like Nikki Haley and Governor Ron DeSantis, making extraordinary speeches, backing President Trump, talking about how necessary his leadership is going to be for the future.
kash patel
Yeah, I think, you know, so look, you have way more experience in the conventions than I do.
This is my first one.
I've actually never done one of these.
Oh, well, welcome!
Yeah, no, it's great.
So if the bar is that high for this one, I guess I can't come back to any more in the future.
monica crowley
Yeah, you're going to be let down in the future, I think.
kash patel
But you're right, you know, being a sports guy my entire life, going to sporting events and being in arenas like this one here in Milwaukee, you get some pretty electric atmospheres.
But I have never seen anything like we've been seeing the last couple of nights when President Trump walks in.
I mean, that was unbelievable.
It was like every sporting championships game seven combined in one place plus some and then the substance of what was said last night whether you know what I found most moving I agree with you totally that to see the president's former adversaries come in and unify behind him.
I don't think there's any other person that could have gotten that kind of unity from across the political spectrum.
And to come in and genuinely address America and say we are behind Donald Trump.
It was pretty powerful.
But what was moving to me, and even brought me to tears, was the mothers and the fathers that spoke last night.
The mother who spoke about losing her daughter to opioid, to fentanyl.
And she was right.
It wasn't an overdose.
It was a killing.
monica crowley
Poisoning, she called it.
unidentified
Poisoning.
monica crowley
Poisoning.
kash patel
By the CCP.
And that's why she turned to President Trump to say, you've stopped it before and you must stop it again.
And then another moving speech from last night was the mother from New York.
We talked about Alvin Bragg's office, our home in New York, whose child was murdered and they let two of the perpetrators go and they basically gave time served to the other two perpetrators.
I mean, we're talking about a murder of a child who was a, he was an adult when he was murdered,
but he was an Afghan war veteran, was killed on the streets of New York,
and the people that they held accountable, Alvin Bragg, sentenced them to less prison time
than basically you get for stealing at the Grand Larceny level.
I found that, I've always said their weapon of choice is the two-tier system of justice,
and I found that so powerful and so resonating, and I think many Americans did the same.
How did you see it?
monica crowley
Yeah, you know, whenever you see conventions and you see regular Americans take to the podium,
it's always incredibly moving because these stories are authentic.
They're not done for political purposes.
They're not done to win elections.
These people came forward and said, I want to speak and share my story so all of America knows The grave danger that we are in for my personal pain, for my personal experience.
So both mothers who lost their sons, that kind of emotional kind of story grabs the American people.
They're not political speeches because they're not political people.
They're sharing with the country their own personal experiences as a direct result of the collapse of law and order, the collapse of support for law enforcement under this catastrophic presidency, and the wide open border, of course, which is allowing fentanyl To come in in droves.
It originates in China, as you well know, the precursor drugs.
Then it goes to the cartels on the border.
Cartels bring it in.
It's widely distributed in this country.
And it is killing well over a hundred thousand of our friends, family, and neighbors.
And these two women showed enormous courage.
And I think the average American who might be sitting on the fence, although I don't know any, Because, I mean, and certainly not after this weekend.
Nobody should be sitting on the fence.
Because I think most Americans understand the perilous moment that we're in.
kash patel
Oh, absolutely.
I think we're cutting to a commercial break here.
We're going to dive into what's coming ahead of the next two days of the RNC, President Trump's speech, J.D.
Vance, of course, the Vice President's nominee.
We're going to talk about the media's explosion or implosion regarding JD Vance, how he's somehow now public enemy number one when he's really been one of the greatest conservatives in Congress.
We'll see you after the break.
unidentified
Interestingly, some of the people that are endorsing Trump, and I've had conversations with these people, smart, educated people who know that he represents chaos and instability and all kinds of things that aren't good for this country, just to name a few.
They say to me, well, he said all that stuff last time, it didn't happen.
kash patel
I totally agree.
chris hayes
This is a huge part of it.
unidentified
I totally agree.
Going on by an intellectual class that is bending the knee to this guy, and a bunch
of them bent their knee today, that know better.
But they say, oh, all that stuff he says, he doesn't really mean that.
I don't think they realize he's poised and ready to do the kinds of things that they
would find scary and unacceptable.
Well, and part of the vetting process for J.D.
Vance was, will you do my bidding in another January 6 style scenario?
And J.D.
Vance, full-throated endorsement of swinging the election for President Trump if necessity dictates.
And will you do my bidding on isolationist foreign policy?
Yes!
And this is literally, apparently, Tucker Carlson called the former president and said, if you pick one of these neocons, one of these old school republicans, the deep state's going to come after you.
Yeah.
Right, like that, and so they believe their own BS apparently enough about that, like insane conspiracy theory that that's why J.D.' 's on the ticket.
kash patel
We're back here at the War Room at Milwaukee at the RNC.
Kash Patel and Monica Crowley.
Of course, we are going to be talking about President Trump's phenomenal choice for Vice President J.D.
Vance.
And Monica is going to break it down for us in a second.
But I don't know if the rest of y'all were watching the mainstream media melt down.
After President Trump picked J.D.
Vance.
What that tells me is he got it right.
He got it more than right because they are imploding and they are running scared and making up stories about J.D.' 's past and what he might do to America when it's pretty crystal clear that J.D., for me, has been the biggest proponent of America First in the United States Senate.
And I think the swamp does not like the fact that he's been so aggressively anti-funding the Ukraine's war until we take care of America, which I love.
But I know those are some of the things that he's going to get attacked for, but Monica, what do you think J.D.
Vance brings to the table?
What's he going to do?
monica crowley
Well, you know, it's so interesting that you use the word, too.
They're all worried about what he's going to do to America.
We're all celebrating what he's going to be doing for...
America.
Okay, so language matters.
And they're all in total meltdown, which tells you that President Trump made the exact right pick in JD Vance.
You also mentioned Ukraine and Vance's opposition to continuing to pump That's where the American people are.
That's where President Trump is.
And that's where J.D.
Vance is.
And that's another reason why the left is melting down, because this is a giant money laundering operation for them, making billions of dollars out of this conflict.
And they're really concerned that J.D.
Vance is going to shut off the spigot, as is President Trump.
Look, a couple of things.
He is the absolute American dream.
unidentified
J.D.
monica crowley
Vance came out of abject poverty, like in the back hills of America, and out of sheer ambition, hard work, commitment, grit, courage.
Pulled himself out of that situation and environment to end up going to Yale to then becoming an incredibly successful venture capitalist.
Capitalist being a critical word here.
President Trump and JD Vance are capitalists.
And hugely successful.
And then he goes on to write a best-selling book that becomes a Hollywood movie based on his life called Hillbilly Elegy.
And so he has lived the American dream.
What a tremendous success story and he's so young.
So of course they're in total meltdown.
Now look, the left and the media would attack any choice by President Trump.
I don't care who it was, they would have attacked the choice.
But it is particularly delicious to see them go after J.D.
Vance, who has been so hugely successful and what he is going to do for this country.
You know, I tweeted the other day when President Trump made the choice, this is a fully America First ticket.
And so all of the America First agenda that President Trump put in place in the first term, a booming economy through a pro-growth economic agenda, an enforced border, law and order, and world peace, J.D.
Vance is going to be right by his side executing all of that.
kash patel
So I totally agree and I think that's why President Trump selected J.D.
because he's going to carry the mantle and carry the mandate that President Trump has built the last 10 years on into the White House and into the next generation of political leadership.
And I think it's extremely important that he got it right and he nailed it.
And what most Americans don't know is that there's still A hundred and fourteen days to the election.
So we still got to work our tails off.
They still got to go out and campaign.
They still got to go out and fundraise.
They still got to win, win, win as President Trump says.
So what does a JD Vance do?
monica crowley
It's a great question.
It's a great question.
I think this is another one of the key reasons why the president chose him.
He is totally plugged into Silicon Valley and the whole VC community.
Because he was such a success there.
So he can access that money.
And Silicon Valley is really flipped.
You're seeing a lot of billionaires.
Elon Musk, right after the assassination attempt, announced not only his endorsement of President Trump, but $45 million per month between now and November.
That's $180 million.
I mean, finally we have billionaires on our side willing to step up.
and put their money into saving America.
All of the left's billionaires like Soros, et cetera, they've been doing this a long time.
Our billionaires always wanted to see an ROI monetarily, not in terms of actually saving the country.
Musk is like, my ROI will see Donald Trump elected and turning this country around and restored.
So I think Vance in terms of donors, excellent.
But I also think because he's from the Midwest, Cash.
Oh yeah.
He's out of Ohio.
I think what the campaign is going to do is park J.D.
Vance in the Midwest from now until November.
kash patel
Okay, I had not heard that.
monica crowley
Yes, so this is what I think they're going to do.
So they're going to take this child of the Midwest and move him into Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.
kash patel
Maybe Monica Crowley should be calling the shots.
monica crowley
I'm available and I'm giving it to y'all for free today and on my own podcast.
But I think that's what they're going to do because the geography of the map, you know, essentially they're going to be running regional contests rather than a national presidential campaign.
This is going to be broken down into regional campaigns all the way down to counties.
Because we have about 30 swing state counties that are going to actually decide this election.
So Musk is taking all of his money, pouring it into those counties in those swing states for early voting and ballot harvesting and things like that to match the Democrats.
And then Vance, I think, is going to go directly into particularly those Midwest areas.
kash patel
It sounds like an extremely methodical decision by President Trump.
It wasn't the McCain knee-jerk reaction.
Or the Romney selection of vice president.
I mean, President Trump used... I thought some of my former boss and current boss's brilliance was that he utilized the American public to do part of the vetting for him.
It wasn't a private selection in terms of who was on the list.
Everyone knew the list.
Everyone knew how big it was.
Everyone knew when it got shortened.
Everyone knew the last week or two weeks there was about four or five people on it.
So the media was in a frenzy over every single one of those people.
But also Americans that support Donald Trump came in and said their feelings and thoughts After doing their own homework on it.
So I thought that was a really powerful, and I've never seen that done before.
Usually it's kept in the bubble, in their binders.
We know better than you, America, who we want your votes, but we're going to select our leaders privately.
I thought the genius of flipping the script and saying, no, I want America to help me select the vice president.
I truly believe Donald Trump did that.
monica crowley
You know, we're talking about the calculations that went into the Vance choice, and all of them are extremely important.
Obviously, you want a wise choice.
But in the past, presidential candidates have generally been driven by needing a geographical balance to the ticket.
Right, so it was JFK out of Massachusetts with Lyndon Johnson out of Texas.
And can they deliver that state?
Can they deliver that region?
I think that matters less now in a world of social media and mass communications.
I think that matters less.
But when you're talking about running a regional presidential campaign, like in 30 little areas, a guy like J.D.
Vance won those mostly.
I mean, we also have races to look at, counties to look at in Nevada and Arizona.
Outside of the Midwest that are going to be critical.
But that whole industrial rust belt, I mean, he is a child of that.
And so that is the election, especially Pennsylvania, but also the state we're sitting in, Wisconsin, Michigan.
unidentified
J.D.
monica crowley
Vance is going to be critical in terms of talking to the forgotten men and women in that whole area and freeing President Trump up to go into other areas like Georgia, like Arizona, like Nevada, other critical areas.
kash patel
Well look, from my home state of Nevada, and for a guy who's new to this entire sort of political landscape campaign atmosphere, I just think Monica Crowley outlined exactly what should be done.
So if you're gambling on this back in Vegas, where Donald Trump is not going to tax your tips, Then you should lay down the marker on what Monica Crowley just told you.
You should definitely follow her podcast and watch her show and everything she's writing on Twitter because this has been the biggest learning lesson for me on how campaigns are run.
I mean, when you come to these events, I think this is the cool thing about it, right?
We obviously talk all the time, but we don't get to spend this kind of time together.
In this kind of atmosphere and you really see people come through that are genuine, right?
And you see the fake people kind of shifted over to the side.
You see them in the corner.
They're kind of forced to be there.
And it's just been a wild, wild scene for me.
Even just going to the donor rooms and the suites and the skyboxes last night.
I saw people that I never thought I'd see here.
Talking about J.D.
and talking about how is President Trump going to put him into play.
And so I think what you've just done is a brilliant roadmap.
So we have to make sure we follow what you're doing every single day.
monica crowley
Well, thank you, Cash.
I appreciate that.
And I do talk a lot about this on the Monica Crowley podcast.
So please go check that out.
I'm on Rumble now.
unidentified
By the way, the show is streamed.
monica crowley
It's pretty much apart from X under Musk, Rumble is the only at-scale free speech platform.
It's Rumble and X. So I'm up on Rumble as well.
So please go check out the Monica Crowley podcast.
kash patel
So I see we have one of our first guests here, Matthew Taylor.
He is the director of the film Government Gangsters, which Steve Bannon and I collaborated on.
And we literally finished it in 110 days.
The day Steve, unfortunately, walked in to become a federal political prisoner.
But we are going to talk to the genius behind who and how this collaboration was put together.
Check us out tomorrow at the premiere.
Thursday here in Milwaukee, Miller High Life Theater.
It's free for everybody.
Doors open at 2 p.m.
Go to warroom.film and purchase your copy right now at warroom.film.
And we'll speak to the director, Matthew Taylor, right on the other side of this break.
Back with Monica Crowley here at the War Room in Milwaukee.
Government gangsters are the group of individuals, career bureaucrats, who have been installed
by what we call the deep state into every agency and department in the United States
Had Donald Trump not won in 2016, he would not have exposed the flank of the deep state and their weapon of choice, the two-tier system of justice.
From Russiagate, to Hunter Biden's laptop, to Joe Biden's classified documents case, to January 6th, to the 51 Intel letter, and everything in between.
We would never have learned that.
These people are dangerous and vindictive, learning from their mistakes and perfecting ways to hide their corruption.
unidentified
It is finally time for a straightforward assessment of the state of our nation.
The There it is everybody.
kash patel
The trailer for Government Gangsters the film in collaboration with War Room.
Myself and my bestseller.
We're playing it tomorrow at Miller High Life at 2 p.m.
right here in Milwaukee.
It's free.
Doors open at 2 p.m.
Go to warroom.film and get your pre-order copy right now.
And we could not have a better person to dissect this movie than the director Matthew Taylor.
And I thought it would be fun to have A brilliant mind asked penetrating questions of Matthew about the movie, and why on earth you would agree to make such a movie.
Monica Crowley, please give him all the zingers you can.
monica crowley
Thank you, Cash, and congratulations to both of you on Government Gangsters.
Well done.
Your book was extraordinary, exposing all of this, and I look forward to the film very much.
So, the American people are now getting wise to what we collectively call the deep state.
Which includes the administrative state, it includes law enforcement, DOJ, FBI, but also the security state, CIA, NSA, DIA, all of these intelligence agencies.
They're all collectively government gangsters because they have been weaponized.
And a lot of people trace it back to the Kennedy assassination where the American people actually lost control of their own government and the government gangsters took it over.
So talk to us a little bit about your approach to this film and the subject.
unidentified
Well, you know, I've been working in this space for 20 years, investigative filmmaking.
And, you know, we made Clinton Cash back in the day.
We did a Hunter Biden film.
But this is really the penultimate of bringing all of these stories together.
And of course, we couldn't have done it without Government Gangsters, the book, as an infrastructure to kind of like weed it out.
And of course, Cash did amazing work at his investigations in Russiagate and creating
the Nunes memo.
But what we wanted to do was create a thread that showed very specific examples of how
the deep state attacked Donald Trump over and over and over again.
And when they failed at this thing, they moved to the next thing.
When they failed at this thing, they moved to the next thing.
And the crazy thing is that half the time you don't know who these people are.
And if you think about it, most of the people that we are talking about are out of office.
They have cushy jobs in the private sector, and now there's new people that we don't know.
And so it's important for the American people to know that these people are out there, that these people have vast resources, and they have no accountability.
monica crowley
So, you know, when you say that the people come and go, what the critical point about all of this is the institutions remain.
So the people come in and out of the FBI and the DOJ and the CIA, but the rot in the institution remains.
Right?
So again, people come and go, but the agenda, the dark, sinister agenda, which is not for America or the American people remains.
Can you talk about institutionally your approach to this, taking on these massive institutions that have become so out of control and powerful?
unidentified
Well, you know, I mean, you know, you're always a little frightened.
I mean, if you think about it, James Comey is fired, and in comes Chris Wray.
Right.
monica crowley
Interchangeable.
unidentified
Interchangeable.
They're interchangeable.
They are!
Yeah, a really interesting thing about the film is, one of the things we did is, when we did our interview, I would say, hey, Cash, give me the Wikipedia bio on all these people.
Not, these people are bad, but just tell me what they are.
And it's so-and-so came into government and did X, and then he did Y, and then he did this, and then he did that, and then he did this, and then there he is.
And what happens is this happens, I think, maybe eight times in the film.
You start realizing, oh, like these guys have just been bouncing around this system, and this guy's one, he's a judge here, and he's, you know, like Merrick Garland.
He's this, and then he's that, and he's this administration, that administration.
And you realize there's like, there's like eight people.
that have been bouncing around the system, accumulating power, accumulating influence.
And then when it comes time to they get to their pinnacle point, they have all of the
cards and they can play them any way they want.
monica crowley
So you know, I've always honed in on and Cash, you can chime in on this too, on Peter Struck
as the perfect example, because you've got the high profile guys like John Brennan, James
Clapper, James Comey, but isn't it really the shadowy figures that are not household
names that are actually executing what Comey and Joe Biden want out of these institutions?
kash patel
You're absolutely right.
And this goes to a point that Matthew and I were talking to off camera.
You know, he made the final selections.
I think he made the right ones about the eight top tier we wanted to highlight.
Because there's only so much you can pack into one movie, right?
But your point is spot on.
The government gangsters at the top can't operate without the...
The armada that they have and the legions they have in the lower levels.
And in my book, I literally have a glossary of government gangsters by alphabetical order because there's that many.
And, you know, folks like Peter Strzok and Andy McCabe, who should be right at the top of the list, even those guys were superseded in corruption by others.
And the question I have for Matthew is, you know, because we would actually get into fun arguments about that.
I don't want that person.
I want that person.
How did you make the all-star cut?
How did you determine who's in and who's out for now and we'll leave the rest of the future?
unidentified
Well, again, I wanted to establish clear narrative because the other thing is, and I learned this in the Clinton years, is operations are designed to be hard to understand.
This person goes here and does that and hires that person through this person, etc, etc.
Well, I can't understand this.
So I would sit down and weed through the story, right, and say, like, the impeachment is actually very confusing to understand because of Eric Sharmella.
And you have to understand, like, he wanted whistleblower status and this and this, this works and that works, and he goes to Vindman.
So ultimately what I did is I narrowed it down to People who either did certain things or represent certain things.
And Victoria Nuland is there to represent the nameless bureaucrat.
That's what she's there for.
And you're right.
These people, I think, are the most dangerous layer because they're career and they never go away.
monica crowley
Right.
And they operate in the shadows, and they move among the institutions.
So a guy like Peter Strzok is going DOJ, to FBI, to the security state, and back again, wherever he is tasked by the deep state power... To CNN.
Yeah, exactly.
You know what was remarkable is over the last couple of days since the assassination attempt on President Trump, and by God's grace, he is still with us, but CNN had up Clapper and Andrew McCabe as their voices.
And I kid you not, you guys probably didn't see, but they were talking about how the assassination attempt could have been a foreign influence operation, like a foreign attempt.
unidentified
Russia, Russia, Russia.
monica crowley
in Russia but it was well it could have been a foreign entity doing this so once
unidentified
No.
monica crowley
again here we are but it's those those names we didn't know Andrew McCabe before
Russiagate. I'm concerned about these people were not household names who are
moving in the shadows totally unaccountable not elected.
in any way and are they getting their orders from the top? In other words,
Mella and Vindman, were they told when President Trump came in
keep your eye out for anything that might have a whiff of something
that might be wrong morally, legally, ethically, whatever the case might be and then they stumble on
something and they immediately take it to the hires up.
kash patel
She hasn't even seen the movie.
unidentified
I haven't seen the movie.
She's hitting at the core piece of it.
kash patel
So this is awesome.
So this is a great segue into... So you talk about Tremella and Venman.
Can you give the audience a sneak peek into how you wove them into the story?
And Monica, who didn't even see it, is basically outlining to the audience because she knows it so well.
But please do watch it anyway.
monica crowley
How did you... I'm not giving anything away here.
kash patel
No, no.
How did you fit the other tier two characters into it?
unidentified
Well, after we, you know, in the film, it goes sequentially from Russiagate to the investigation, you know, through Nunes' memo, and then it says, look, this failed.
So they had to pivot somewhere else.
And then we moved to Ukraine, and eventually Ukraine will move into Hunter Biden.
But really it was, it tells the story of saying, like, there's this guy in the White House.
Eric Sharmella.
No one's ever heard of him.
If you look him up online, it's very hard to find pictures of him.
Why?
Because he's kind of a nobody.
But he's just one of these guys who was in these administrations.
And really the question is, why was he in the Trump White House?
How did he get there?
And it's because, well, you know...
Just staffers and these people and they went from this administration and that administration but these guys are like sleepers because he worked for Joe Biden as vice president and he participated in the Ukraine cover-up so to an extent... I didn't even know that until you told me!
He was kind of there on the famous calls and so the thing is like the problem with the Trump White House at the time is it was infested with these people Because hey, you work in the government, you know what you're doing.
Come on into the White House and run this thing.
How's everyone supposed to know?
monica crowley
We're not going to make that mistake the second time.
unidentified
No, not again.
And I think that's why we picked those examples.
We really wanted people to understand that you don't know who they are.
And frankly, they are just kind of doing their job to protect the system.
You know, in some ways they're not even bad people.
They just think that they're like, oh, we have to protect the institution.
So, you know, they're not all bad.
And one of the things I really liked about your book was that it says that, like, most of these people who work in the government are actually But just doing their job.
They're not all bad.
Monica was one of the good ones in there.
monica crowley
As were you, my friend.
kash patel
If you ask the New York Times, we were one of the really bad ones.
monica crowley
The truth is always inverted when you're dealing with the left.
So what surprised you the most when you read Cash's book and then you started to take on this film?
What shocked you the most?
unidentified
Well it's interesting because having spent so much time in Clinton world... Nothing shocks you?
In some ways it's not, but I think what shocked me was the Gina Haspel stuff.
kash patel
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Because the thing is, the CIA, and actually one of the things we actually had to cut from the film was the NSA allowing the White House to be wiretapped.
kash patel
He just told me this and he's doing it on national TV.
unidentified
I worked so hard at that segment.
It's a great segment, but the problem is once you get into that, you had to get into all sorts of other things.
But they allowed the oval to be tapped for nine months, which means the NSA had to allow a crew to go into the White House.
And to me, that was the most shocking thing, even by Clinton standards.
monica crowley
Yeah, you know, the assumption, and I had it too when I first entered the administration.
I don't know if you had this as well, Cash, but the assumption is we're all in government, we're all on the same team, and therefore we're all out to protect each other.
And look, I think with General Flynn, when he was in office maybe, what, two days?
And Comey calls him and says, I'm sending two FBI agents over to talk to you.
No big deal.
Flynn's assumption and military intelligence like but the assumption that we all have because we are all decent human beings is that we're all on the same side and we're working here together for the greater good and that is not true and I think that's the that's the essence of it you know we were we and Americans were duped because we had a belief in the system and people who took an oath to protect this country and do their jobs violated that
kash patel
almost on a daily basis.
And guys like Flynn were steamrolled and it would take me two years till I was deputy director of
national intelligence to declassify DOJ's own exculpatory evidence on him. And this is the
stuff we don't even get into in the film. So in about like 15 seconds tell us the favorite part
about the movie. I'm putting you on the spot and then we'll wrap it up. My favorite part is the
unidentified
documents case.
It's the Merrick Garland.
You said there's only one case, and I found a big long clip where Merrick Garland lays out all of the documents that Joe Biden had in his possession.
And that's it.
You drop the mic, you're done.
That's the only clip you have to watch in the movie.
monica crowley
And now it has a happy ending.
I mean, it's going to be appealed and go to the Supreme Court, but effectively this case is over.
unidentified
Yeah, we have to get this movie out before all of our cases are solved.
kash patel
I guess this is just one in the trilogy, everybody.
Matthew Taylor, thanks so much for joining us.
Thank you for having me.
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unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
kash patel
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Milwaukee, the RNC War Room Live with
the great Monica Crowley.
We are joined by a tremendous guest.
I'm biased because he is one of my closest friends.
He is Donald Trump's Western warrior, as the president has called him, Mike McDonald.
The Nevada GOP chairman.
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Now there aren't really two better people.
To talk.
Looks like East and West meets.
New York meets Nevada.
This is great.
You know, and Michael's been with the Nevada GOP for 20 plus years.
unidentified
The chairman for 14, almost 14.
kash patel
And so I want you guys to take it away.
I'm going to geek out.
You guys go and I'm going to take notes.
But I want you to ask Michael what his favorite restaurant is in Vegas because he hasn't told me.
monica crowley
Well, I haven't been to Vegas in a while, so I have to make a return trip.
Great to meet you.
We have not met in person.
Michael, great to have you here.
Can you talk a little bit about where the race stands right now in Nevada?
Because we know it's a critical swing state.
We know that President Trump is making a real effort to go after union votes, and Nevada is a big union state because of all the hotels and casinos, etc.
Talk about where the race stands right now in your state.
unidentified
Oh, thank you.
She said Nevada perfectly, too.
She did!
She said Nevada, not Nevada.
I screw it up all the time.
No, you just did.
monica crowley
It was perfect.
kash patel
We need you to announce our state's delegation.
unidentified
We're, like, really hinging on that.
Look, it's an issue where, you know, when I was elected, I had full union support.
I've been a Republican my entire life, but I had full union support.
It's about the working men and women, and the barrier that has been put up by By class, that the union bosses are bought and paid for by the Democratic Party, are coming down.
Because we have new leadership coming in, and the working men and women through modern technology are looking and saying, wait a minute, why are we voting for Biden when everything's bad now?
Everything's worse.
And President Trump's coming up with fresh ideas, he's knocking down barriers, he's a union guy, look, he wants everybody to succeed.
When everybody succeeds, there's money in your pocket, everybody spends it, which makes the economy go.
So, he came out with the big, we were talking about it a few years ago, no taxes on tips.
monica crowley
No tax on tips.
kash patel
When did he announce that, Mike?
unidentified
Las Vegas, Nevada!
And the best thing about it, like the monitors were shaking and everything.
He did it straight off, Cash and I were sitting together, and he looks over and he goes, and it's one thing, he's really upset about the monitors, he looks over and he goes, And no taxes on Tiffany.
So that was, when he looked over, I was like, he pointed and I was like, it's a great issue.
He cares about it.
He understands it.
It was first brought up by Fred Domini, who used to own the Tropicana.
He talked about the taxes and what happens on that.
And, you know, I was born and raised in Las Vegas.
So, you know, taxes or tips put food in the stomach, clothes in the back.
monica crowley
And you know what?
I mean, a lot of people are saying, well, it's only for people who are working now for tips.
That is not true.
Most of us, including me, have worked jobs where you are working for the tip.
So whether you're still doing those jobs or not, you can relate to wanting to keep all of your tip money.
It's an extraordinary, it's a master move, I think.
And I think it's going to have huge sway in your state.
unidentified
I think so, but also nationally.
We're in California, we put No Tax Vote Trump.
No taxes on tips, everything.
Yes, I'm voting for Trump.
So it's resonating across, because it's an issue that is common.
If you work for tips, and you really work really hard, it's a gift.
It's not a taxable thing.
If I like everything you're doing, you're a great service, I give you a great tip because you're a great service.
That's a gift.
And they're taxing the gifts.
And that's what everything's starting to change, the mindset.
And the union workers, like I said, we have great unions out in Nevada.
They put me in office when I was a city councilman and mayor pro tem.
But more importantly, they're understanding now that you actually have someone that's coming back to the White House that cares about the working men and women.
monica crowley
Yes.
unidentified
And for so long, the Democrats keep trying to throw this blade up there, blade up there.
President Biden was just out there.
They're trying to plug the holes.
We have a person that's running for re-election.
Now she's like, oh yeah, no taxes on TIP.
I'm for that.
It's a problem.
kash patel
Monica, I got to get you to quiz Mike on the deep state and the two-tier system of justice.
You're talking to a man who is a victim of the Nevada State Basis Unconstitutional Prosecution for the election and the case got dismissed.
monica crowley
God is good.
unidentified
God is great.
monica crowley
God is good all the time.
So share your story with us.
unidentified
I can't go too much into it because of the attorneys, but we were indicted for the electoral process, the electors, and it was held off, held off, held off, and then it was almost like systematic when you look at it.
I'm from law enforcement.
I'm in law enforcement.
I still am in law enforcement.
When everything started coming down, Georgia went, and then everything else, and our Attorney General, who's a big Democrat, we're friends, he does, he's a great politician, so this indictment, I'm like, that doesn't really sound like something he would do.
I mean, he usually makes his judgments.
So it went down, it was, you could see where it was going, like this was bigger than, The Nevada.
This was bigger than, there was someone, there's something behind this.
And, uh, our attorneys are phenomenal.
Rick Wright's been my attorney since probably 1995.
Uh, and they looked at it.
He's a big Democrat.
Many of our attorneys, we have three Democrat attorneys, three Republican attorneys.
kash patel
I bet the world didn't know that.
unidentified
Yeah.
Seagal, Seagal Shadow is one of our attorneys, our national committee woman.
So when they looked at it combined, they went, there's nothing here.
And we had a big ACLU attorney.
She is phenomenal.
And they all looked at it and said, no.
monica crowley
You know, thank God your case shook out the way it did.
Like we say, God is good.
But it really goes to show that whether it's Merrick Garland or Jack Smith or the U.S.
attorneys in your case, that they're also deeply corrupt.
And the point is that they know that there is no case.
Jack Smith knows there's no January 6th case or documents case.
They don't care.
They don't care about the law or the rule of law.
The process is the punishment.
So they just wanted to stick it to you and make you rack up, you know, big legal bills.
You've been through it.
I've been through it.
The process is the punishment.
And you emerged unscathed on the other side.
kash patel
Mike, thanks so much for joining the War Room.
My friends in the War Room, Posse, possibly the greatest state chairman, Mike McDonald from the great state of Nevada.
Donald Trump has called him his Western warrior, and he has said if we win Nevada, we win the whole damn thing.
So people might want to pay attention to what Nevada GOP is doing.
Thanks for being with us.
We'll come back on the flip side, talk some Deep State, maybe another special guest.
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