July 10, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
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The people have had a belly full of it. | |
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Back in the War Room with Stephen K. Bannon and Laura Logan. | ||
| Lara speaks as a prophetic voice to a country that needs it right now. | ||
| Lara, how can people reach you? | ||
| What are your coordinates and what's your call to action for the War Room? | ||
| Just very brief and I'm going to get you back on for a whole other segment coming up this week as well. | ||
| Thank you, Lara. | ||
| So most importantly, I guess I'm sitting in the chair, right? | ||
| In the spot. | ||
| This is not my spot. | ||
| This belongs to a great man known as Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| And I would call on everyone who cares about the First Amendment and free speech to be standing up right now and raising their voices to stand up for Stephen Bannon because we can't be putting journalists behind bars. That is not what you do in a free country. | ||
| And it's reprehensible that the Republican-led House allowed this to happen. Shame on all of you. | ||
| Now I would just say, in terms of this call to action, again, this is America's future's call to action. | ||
| This is the whistleblowers. These are the people that are standing up saying to you, | ||
| we are at a crossroads. | ||
| We have never been here in the history of the United States. | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of children who believe they're coming here for a better life are going to sponsors they have never met. | ||
| They're going into the foster care system in the state of Florida. | ||
| Secretary Harris, in charge of children and families, testified in the Senate at this hearing that was led by Senator Grassley, Senator Johnson was there, also Cassidy, Ernst, Britt, Cornyn, and Tuberville. | ||
| Okay, those are the only senators that stood by this. | ||
| She testified that in the state of Florida, less than 10% of the cases of unaccompanied minors that they were sent were reunited with their parents. | ||
| This is not family reunification. | ||
| And it is inexplicable that the Department of Health and Human Services, which is supposed to look after these kids, is trafficking them. | ||
| Lara, what are your coordinates? | ||
| How do people get you? | ||
| and a Florida grand jury who have begged for the information so they can follow | ||
| up and do basic welfare checks and apply some standard of decency to the | ||
| treatment of these kids. Okay this is unforgivable what is happening. How do people get you? | ||
| Go to America's Future.net. Vote yay for the CRA. | ||
| Okay, that's what you need to do. | ||
| Call your members of Congress and let them know you will not stand for this. | ||
| There it is, War Room. | ||
| Lyra Logan, thank you so much. | ||
| We're going to have you back in for a geopolitical... | ||
| A view from the 30,000-foot level later in the week. | ||
| You're great at connecting the dots on the globalist elitists. | ||
| Thank you for being with us in the War Room. | ||
| We're now pivoting to Colonel Douglas MacGregor. | ||
| If you're not familiar with Colonel Douglas MacGregor, you need to be. | ||
| He's been making the play calls correctly for years and years. | ||
| I watch him all the time on YouTube at night when I want to catch up and find out what the truth of the matter is. | ||
| There's no better source to go to. | ||
| So, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, thank you so much for joining us on The War Room. | ||
| It's a pleasure to have you. | ||
| And why don't you just lead us through, first of all, NATO, but then just the tremendous loss of resources by focusing so narrowly on Ukraine, etc., Russia, and what we've been missing and what our strategists should be doing, in your view. | ||
| Thank you for being with us, Colonel. | ||
| Dave, that's a mouthful. | ||
| I appreciate your kind words. | ||
| Before we completely leave Laura Logan, let me point out that Steve Bannon and I in June of 2017 in the West Wing of the White House talked about how important it was to put U.S. | ||
| Army forces on the border to close it and secure it. | ||
| This is in June of 2017 and our problems then shrink to almost insignificance to compare with what we deal with at the moment. | ||
| Anyhow, I just wanted to point that out, because when you turn to NATO, you look at this alliance, which 75 years ago was formed for purely defensive purposes, because at the time, our European friends in Western Europe were looking at Soviet armed forces, Soviet military power, involving millions of troops that could be launched against them on a moment's notice. | ||
| And it made sense. | ||
| But however, having said that, when Eisenhower went ahead and signed all the documents involving the NATO treaty, he made the following comment. | ||
| He said, this is important. | ||
| It should work. | ||
| This is especially important for the Europeans. | ||
| But if we do our jobs right, we Americans won't have to be in Europe in 10 years. | ||
| And of course, here we are 75 years later. | ||
| We are in a terrible position vis-a-vis Russia, much worse, I would argue, than it was in the 1960s in many ways, because Russia is not hostile to the United States. | ||
| This is a set of conditions, as Steve Bannon would say if he were here, that are unnecessary. | ||
| Russia and we do not have conflicting interests. | ||
| The entire Ukraine episode is a concoction By the United States and largely, I would argue, Paris and London, but not exclusively, to turn Russia into this enemy, which we've successfully done by insisting that NATO advance all the way to Russia's borders and turn Ukraine into an arsenal that can be used against Russia. | ||
| That has been a catastrophe, and the Russians were warning us repeatedly for years, going all the way back to the admission of Poland, frankly, in 1999 into NATO, saying, not an inch further. | ||
| If you go any further, it will mean war, because we will not allow foreign forces on our borders that are hostile to us to go unmolested. | ||
| We will strike them. | ||
| We have an interest in protecting our borders. | ||
| We understand Ukraine. | ||
| We think Ukraine should be neutral. | ||
| And at the time, to be frank with you, Dave, everybody that I worked with at NATO thought that the most important thing was to keep Ukraine as a neutral state. | ||
| There was no reason to militarize the place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Colonel, so the only argument I've heard from the other side that gets members of Congress to shift is they go behind this room, they get these intelligence briefings, and they hear things that us mere mortals are not, you know, we're not capable of hearing. | ||
| Such such a dark vision of well what you're really missing is there's intelligence that Russia. | ||
| This is just the beginning move They're gonna run right through up to Finland etc And reclaim their Soviet Empire what what that that seems to be the only logic they can offer us up It's a scare tactic. | ||
| What's is there any basis in truth is there any intelligence that they have of that happening? | ||
| Dave that's an evidence-free argument There's no evidence for that at all. | ||
| In fact, if you go back to the beginning of this Russian intervention, the Russians presented proposals, wanted to talk to us about how we handle security for their interests as well as our own in Eastern Europe before they finally went into Ukraine. | ||
| And they went in because they were frustrated. | ||
| No one would speak to them. | ||
| No one would talk to them from Washington. | ||
| So they went in with a relatively small force. | ||
| And if you go back to February and March of 2022, all of the brilliant Western military analysts could talk about was, well, the Russian army is too small. | ||
| The Russians aren't prepared to fight. | ||
| The Russians aren't ready to take on this brilliant Ukrainian army that we've created. | ||
| Then all of a sudden, months later, as the Ukrainians were being crushed and the Russian armed forces were being increased in size, suddenly Russia presents a threat to Eastern Europe. | ||
| I think I can't. | ||
| Let's put it this way, Dave. | ||
| I don't think you can have it both ways. | ||
| I don't think you can say, well, Russia was unprepared in January and February of 2022 for the mission that it undertook because their forces were too small and at the same time make the argument, oh, they were planning all along to invade Poland. | ||
| That's that's just patently absurd. | ||
| It's nonsensical. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Give us right now that we've driven Russia into the arms of China and just messed up terribly in my own view, but I'm no expert. | ||
| Where does that leave the status quo ante right now in terms of the China threat? | ||
| And how have we harmed our own geopolitical strategy moving forward by putting Russia in their arms? | ||
| Well, I would pre... | ||
| Let me say this. | ||
| I don't buy into the China threat and never have. | ||
| There's no evidence that the Chinese are planning to invade Taiwan. | ||
| There's no massing of forces for that purpose whatsoever. | ||
| The last thing that China wants in Asia is a war. | ||
| I would argue the only people in Asia talking about a war right now are in Washington. | ||
| No one in Tokyo, no one in Vietnam, no one anywhere wants a war. | ||
| And by the way, all the states that border China are absolutely incurably suspicious of China. | ||
| So this notion of having to contain China is absurd. | ||
| It's already contained. | ||
| Russia has good relations with China because Russia has all of the raw materials, the oil, the natural gas that China needs, and China can provide the finished goods. | ||
| In many cases, it came from the West previously to Russia, which means that Russia can live without the West because of its relationship with China. | ||
| Remember that China and Russia both share an interest in the stability of Central Asia. | ||
| I know a lot of Americans aren't familiar with this, but a few years ago, there were something called the Mongolian armies that ultimately conquered both Russia and China. | ||
| And to this day, Moscow and Beijing are both very sensitive to who comes to power in Central Asia. | ||
| They want that place to be stable. | ||
| They don't want it to become a theater of military action under any circumstances, and certainly not between them. | ||
| But the problem for us right now is that Russia and China are effectively allied. | ||
| They are allied because they see us as this aggressive military threat. | ||
| And they've said, well, look, if I'm on the menu this month, you'll be on the menu next month. | ||
| And so if we go to war with Russia, which is what the stupid people in Washington are talking about right now, a war, by the way, that we are not postured to fight and win, We will also be at war with China. | ||
| And it's not unreasonable to assume, increasingly, that they will have many other countries in their camp as well. | ||
| I mean, there's a reason why MBS, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, just announced that if we steal the $300 billion in Russian assets in our banks from Russia, that he will dump $750 billion worth of U.S. | ||
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| realize what that would do to our markets, it would destabilize them and send us and | ||
| our economy into a tailspin. | ||
| So it's not just Russia and China. | ||
| You have this thing called BRICS, it's going to be 84 members in the very near future. | ||
| And we've, you know, Steve Bannon's been great on the bricks and the arguments and the reserve currency and all those arguments. | ||
| Let me close the China piece. | ||
| Let me push you a hair on that one. | ||
| OK, I'll give you the Taiwan piece just to throw it off the table. | ||
| But go back to 1999, unrestricted warfare, et cetera, seems to seems to show China's Intent toward us and their intent to spread their logic. | ||
| Give us your response to that piece. | ||
| Well, having read Unrestricted Warfare, I was very pleased at the time because the Chinese went to great lengths to mention my book, Breaking the Phalanx, which was published in 97 that reorganized American ground forces to integrate with air and naval power. | ||
| And they picked it up and they've actually taken it to heart. | ||
| and begun to reorganize a portion of their armed forces on my model. | ||
| If you read Unrestricted Warfare, you have to be very careful because there are several translations. | ||
| Some of the translations come from Taiwan, and those are different from the ones that come from the mainland, because the Taiwanese have a permanent interest in creating the illusion that they're under threat from China. | ||
| And I say illusion because every time there's a serious crisis in the Taiwan Straits, all the banks in Taiwan move their funds to the mainland. | ||
| So that tells you something. | ||
| Unrestricted warfare is simply the admission that war is on every level if you have to fight it. | ||
| And if you fought the Chinese, The message is very simple. | ||
| We will fight you on every level. | ||
| It'll be economic, it'll be political, psychological, scientific, it'll be in space, it'll be on sea, and so forth. | ||
| That's not really news. | ||
| But China is not postured for offensive warfare. | ||
| If you look at their force structure, they are unambiguously defensive because they see the greatest threat to China being the United States Navy and the United States Air Force. | ||
| Clearly, they're not worried about an invasion from the United States Army because the United States Army can't even defend Poland at this point. | ||
| Yeah, and you got about one minute. | ||
| What about the cyber warfare, intellectual warfare, economic warfare? | ||
| What should our stance be to China vis-a-vis those non-kinetic pieces? | ||
| Well, the first thing that we should be making very clear that unless we are attacked, Dave, we're not attacking anybody. | ||
| We need to change our approach to the world. | ||
| We've treated the world as essentially a punching bag. | ||
| We've bullied everybody everywhere. | ||
| That's why everyone's trying to get out from underneath our financial system and get away from us. | ||
| We should be the people that everyone wants to do business with, and we're not. | ||
| So the first thing is we need to say, number one, unless you physically attack us or our interests in some way, we are not going to attack you. | ||
| That would help a hell of a lot. | ||
| We need to get out of this perpetual war with everyone that doesn't agree with us. | ||
| We need to do business with everybody. | ||
| Stop sanctioning everybody. | ||
| We've got 34, 35 countries under sanctions. | ||
| In the past, those sanctions would have been considered acts of war. | ||
| You know, we've got to stop this, Dave. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Back with Douglas MacGregor after the break. | ||
| Stick in the War Room. | ||
| Back with the Colonel. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Back in the War Room with Stephen K. Bannon and a very special guest with a very special message for us today, Matt Boyle Breitbart. | ||
| We go way back. | ||
| He's been America first before it was cool. | ||
| Ten years ago when I was running, he even took an interest in a lowly first-termer congressman from Virginia on immigration, etc. | ||
| And so, Matt, thanks for joining the War Room and I'll just turn it over to you for a special news blast that only you could come up with. | ||
| Yeah, so we have just published this morning on Breitbart. | ||
| People can go look at it. | ||
| It's our lead story right now at Breitbart.com. | ||
| A massive question and answer interview that we just conducted with Stephen K. Bannon, the host of this program, War Room. | ||
| Over email from prison and the it's a little difficult communicating That way so it took us a couple of days to organize all of this and get all the answers to the questions and everything But we've got it up there and in the interview Steve walks through a number of different things but the first and most important thing I'd say is Is right at the first question where he explains his next man up mentality, which you heard him talk about a lot before he went inside. | ||
| So he talks about this movement and how it's very much like a sports mentality with next man up. | ||
| There's so many different people and the power comes from the bottom up. | ||
| Not from the top bottom From the top down and I think that that's really important. | ||
| So that answer is really interesting also his thoughts on what's happening right now inside the Democrat Party in this big tug-of-war between Democrats and What they're gonna do about their candidate who clearly is not cognitively capable of serving as a president of the United States. Bannon says that there are | ||
| two separate and equally important issues here. The first is a national security crisis, right? | ||
| Like this guy is currently our commander in chief, Joe Biden, and he is not capable of | ||
| doing the job quite clearly. | ||
| Everybody admits it. Everybody knows that, that he is cognitively impaired beyond repair. And | ||
| so we've got a national security crisis in that regard and the broader cover up that comes with | ||
| that, right? Like, so all these people who have known about it, all these things that are coming | ||
| out. | ||
| Leaks. | ||
| Just now, moments ago, George Clooney, the Hollywood star, put out an op-ed in the New York Times saying that at the fundraiser he did for Biden a few weeks ago, which was the biggest fundraiser in history for a Democrat candidate ever, that Biden was showing the same problems that he showed at the debate. | ||
| So why didn't George Clooney speak out three weeks ago or a month ago when this fundraiser happened? | ||
| Why did he wait till now? | ||
| We see all these leaks about meetings that happened months ago or years ago. | ||
| Why did these people cover this up? | ||
| You know, you see Nancy Pelosi out there today saying that it's up to Joe Biden to make the decision if he's going to run. | ||
| Well, Nancy Pelosi's interacted with this man quite a bit. | ||
| Why'd she cover it up? | ||
| And so that's what Steve's talking about here, is that we got to get to the bottom of this. | ||
| We need to get all these people who covered it up from Nancy Pelosi on down through Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, All of them. | ||
| George Clooney, all these donors, Hollywood stars, international leaders, etc. | ||
| And that kind of brings us to the next point of the interview, which is that Steve talks about the NATO summit here. | ||
| So obviously this week, leaders from all the NATO countries are here. | ||
| in the United States, they're in Washington, D.C. right now. | ||
| Joe Biden is supposed to do his first quote unquote big boy press conference. Good. | ||
| Tomorrow. So what happens at that in particular is going to be important. But what Steve says | ||
| in this interview with us is that this NATO summit presents a unique opportunity for the | ||
| America first movement moving forward, because what's happening around the world, even here at | ||
| home, is that Trump's policies, his America first policies on trade, immigration, et cetera, | ||
| are dominant in the. | ||
| And they're on the rise everywhere. | ||
| And so that's the big thing. | ||
| And then the last big thing I would highlight from the interview that Steve zoned in on | ||
| is his views on the media. | ||
| The media and Biden have always had a contentious relationship, | ||
| but it's really frayed right now because the media feels like they were lied to | ||
| and they helped lie to cover up this scandal with Biden and his cognitive abilities. | ||
| And so Steve really goes in depth on that. | ||
| And then the one other thing that he mentions is the second side of things. | ||
| And beyond the actual the national security crisis that we're talking about here, there's a political crisis for Democrats and what they're going to do. | ||
| As it looks right now, it looks like they're sticking with Biden, though there are some Democrats that are still trying to get him out. | ||
| So what they decide, assuming they stick with Biden, Steve says that's the candidate we want if we're MAGA because the fact is that he's a lot easier to beat and would cause serious damage down ticket for Democrats. | ||
| Matt Boyle, thank you for being with us. | ||
| Hang with us for a minute. | ||
| We're trying to get Naomi Wolf more over on the liberal spectrum, in the good sense of the word. | ||
| Liberals used to believe in the freedom of speech and the freedom of the country and the basic republic. | ||
| We share all that in common. | ||
| And she wrote just an incredible defense piece of Stephen K. Bannon when everybody else on the freedom movement on the conservative side is AWOL. | ||
| Where is everybody? | ||
| That's her question. | ||
| So we're waiting for her. | ||
| I think we might have Eric Metaxas up. | ||
| Eric has written a book recently, which kind of shares in the thinking, Naomi, and I just presented. | ||
| Eric Metaxas, are you with us? | ||
| I am with you, ideologically, and I'm here. | ||
| Well, you're the man. | ||
| Not many can cover modern politics, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Martin Luther, etc., and put it all in 100 pages, your book, Letters to the Churches. | ||
| I just want to tee that up. | ||
| I read it again on the airplane down here to Florida. | ||
| And it was so refreshing along a few lines that I think are particularly needed. | ||
| In the first place, you set up, you know, the 200 out of 1,200 pastors spoke up or whatever. | ||
| If the 600 or 700 would have spoken up, we plausibly could have had a different scenario back with You're shaking your head. | ||
| Respond to that one first. | ||
| I'm saying that there's no doubt about it. | ||
| The book you're referring to is Letter to the American Church. | ||
| Letter to the American Church came out less than two years ago, and the sequel, which is out now, is called Religionless Christianity. | ||
| And in both of them, Letter to the American Church and Religionless Christianity, I'm talking about The staggering parallels of the American church today to the German church in the 1930s. | ||
| The German church in the 1930s refused to stand up to the evil of the Nazis. | ||
| They said, we just want to do church. | ||
| We don't want to get political. | ||
| And they were wrong. | ||
| And the fruit of their inability to step up gave us the Holocaust, gave us a nightmare of people that we can hardly imagine today. | ||
| The American church today, many in the American church, not all, but many are refusing to take a stand on all kinds of issues saying they don't want to be political. | ||
| And I believe God is judging us as a result. | ||
| I am ultimately hopeful because of people like the heroic Steve Bannon. | ||
| God bless him. | ||
| Everybody should pray for him. | ||
| and for many others, but it's an extraordinary thing. | ||
| I felt God led me to write these books to wake up the American church. | ||
| Well, I think he did too. | ||
| I could feel his spirit all over the place. | ||
| So I read through the pages, your letter to the church especially. | ||
| And the thing I really appreciated about the argument was you knocked down kind of the simplicity of the, of the, you know, eighth grade version of Romans 13 only. | ||
| And you said, we believe in a living God. | ||
| And you use kind of the Anne Frank example. | ||
| someone comes to your door are you gonna lie in order to save a human life and | ||
| you said look the great command is love God with all your heart mind soul love | ||
| your neighbor as yourself love is God I got is Jesus said I'm the truth we | ||
| believe in a living God and you said what do you think that living God would | ||
| say to you when a Nazi soldier comes to your door do you believe that | ||
| Or are you a Pharisee with his legalist stuff, where you're going to follow some letter-of-the-law thing without the Spirit? | ||
| And so, you elaborated beyond... And the tough part is, for us Christians, people do say, you know, Jesus came and He didn't believe in war. | ||
| The young evangelical community say that. | ||
| And I say, well, Jesus is in the Trinity, back at the Exodus, which is the central act of the Hebrew Scripture, and was certainly political, right? | ||
| And not to mention the rest of the Old Testament. | ||
| Give us a little bit more on the theological depths that we need to reach in order to get over this simplistic idea that American Christians should not be political right now, which as you say, it seems to be where we're at. | ||
| Well, since we don't have a ton of time, I'll cut to the chase. | ||
| The idea that we're not supposed to be political is a lie from the pit of hell. | ||
| That's the devil's kind of Christianity. | ||
| It's the same kind of diabolical pseudo-Christianity that told people not to take a stand on slavery. | ||
| Don't take a stand on human beings treated that way. | ||
| Just have church. | ||
| Just do church. | ||
| Have a nice service. | ||
| God is a judge, and God judges us when we look the other way, when there is evil and we say nothing. | ||
| So we can see it clearly with William Wilberforce. | ||
| I wrote a biography about Wilberforce, who, because of his Christian faith, stood against The slave trade, I'm right now in Oxford, England, of course he was in Parliament, and he knew that his faith compelled him to be political. | ||
| He wasn't just political, he was a politician, because he said that his faith in the God of the Bible led him to speak up for those who had no voice, and that meant the slaves. | ||
| And so you go into America in the 19th century, some brave Christians understood it's our duty before God to get political, to be abolitionists, to stand against slavery. | ||
| You have it in the 20th century. | ||
| You have civil rights. | ||
| You have the war on the unborn. | ||
| Many times Christians get this, but we're living in a time right now where many Christians would rather look the other way, would rather say, oh, this doesn't involve me. | ||
| That is precisely what the German Christians did. | ||
| And I want to be real clear. | ||
| If you go to a church that says, we don't want to get political, we don't care about Steve Bannon. | ||
| We don't care about what they're doing to Donald Trump. | ||
| We don't care about any of this stuff. | ||
| If you don't care about justice, if you don't care about corruption, God is a judge. | ||
| God cares about corruption. | ||
| God cares about our justice system. | ||
| And so, in Letter to the American Church, I try to make a pointed argument to Christians who need to get involved. | ||
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| Eric Metaxas back with us after the break. | ||
| If you have not read all of the books he's mentioned, make sure you do it. | ||
| He's at the cutting edge of theology. | ||
| Socrates in the city. | ||
| He's a true Renaissance man. | ||
| We're lucky to have him on The War Room today. | ||
| And so, back after the break with Eric Metaxas in The War Room. | ||
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Now that I am calling America a Christian nation. | |
| And so I am. | ||
| And some will say that I'm advocating Christian nationalism. | ||
| And so I do. | ||
| The senator treats it very lightly as though these are just words, you know, but the words are really very important. | ||
| When he says he's a Christian nationalist and the United States is a Christian nation, what he is doing is saying there's some other authority for our country aside from the Constitution. | ||
| That the Constitution doesn't really matter, that there's some other basis, that we don't believe in the First Amendment and the separation of church and state, and that only people such as himself, the true Christians, the true nationalists, the real Americans, are the ones who are going to be able to tell us what's what, what really matters, what the law actually is. | ||
| And that's a pretty terrifying prospect. | ||
| Dave Brat sitting in with Stephen K. Bannon on The War Room. | ||
| What a clip! | ||
| So much to respond to. | ||
| The left gets away with intellectual argumentation that can't survive the third grade, right? | ||
| We're all dying to hear if the Judeo-Christian tradition is not the religion of this country | ||
| and not the implicit philosophy of this country, then what is? | ||
| We're all dying to hear it. | ||
| Please give us the alternative worldview. | ||
| Secularism is not a worldview. | ||
| And so we have one of the Socrates in the New York City types, the Judeo-Christian West, | ||
| the Western tradition is basically the synthesis between Judeo-Christian religion and Greek | ||
| reason. | ||
| And those two guardrails have been just fantastic and set us up to be the greatest country on earth. | ||
| And so we're back in the War Room with Eric Metaxas. | ||
| Eric, why don't you respond to that clip? | ||
| Are we a Christian country? | ||
| And then get back to your book because you were lighting it up. | ||
| We're getting rave reviews already. | ||
| It's hard not to respond to that lunacy. | ||
| I mean, look, try not to be offended by lies. | ||
| I mean, what the guy in MSNBC was saying was propaganda. | ||
| Now, just because he believes it doesn't make it anything less than lies and propaganda. | ||
| The idea that, now I'm sounding like Joe Biden, the idea that you would have To choose between the Constitution and God, our founding documents are nothing if not for belief in a God. | ||
| who gives us the rights we have because we're made in his image. | ||
| Now, if you're secular, if you hate the idea of God, those ideas are disturbing to you and you have to do a dodge. | ||
| You have to somehow fudge your way around it. | ||
| But as you just said, you can't. | ||
| You cannot have real freedom. | ||
| You cannot honor people that are different from yourself. | ||
| You can't have the melting pot that we've had in America without enough people believing in the God of the Bible. | ||
| So you do not enforce it. | ||
| The suggestion that any Christian, whether Josh Hawley or anybody, would want to force Christianity is preposterous. | ||
| It's antithetical to Christianity itself. | ||
| No devout Christian I know, unless he is a fool, thinks that you can force Christianity. | ||
| You don't do that. | ||
| But that doesn't mean you shrink from the ideas of Christianity and that you understand that the liberties we have are flowered from Christian faith. | ||
| But the founders gave us religious liberty. | ||
| So even though we are effectively, essentially a Christian country, we can never officially be a Christian country any more than we can officially be, you know, a transgender flag Which many people are trying to force that down our throats, which is really the establishment of religion, which is itself unconstitutional. | ||
| But to have religious liberty, to be a Christian, and it's so, I mean, listening to Josh Hawley, I wish President Trump would think seriously about picking him as vice president. | ||
| I think he is, his boldness, his intellect, I really have to say, it's been a great, great encouragement to me. | ||
| Yeah, Eric, it's kind of humorous, right? | ||
| For those of us who have had the luxury of studying a little philosophy, even Karl Marx couldn't escape the Judeo-Christian ethical tradition, right? | ||
| He says, I'm a materialist, there's no superstructure, there's no God, there's no metaphysics, there's no justice, there's no human rights, there's none of these ideas, it's just matter in motion, but I'm going to jam you with the Jewish prophetic tradition. | ||
| And so I agree with everything you just said. | ||
| It was perfect, spot on. | ||
| And the one thing Christians are willing to force on this country in order to get us out of the box they like to paint us in is minority rights in the Bill of Rights. | ||
| That's the one thing we like to force on people, right? | ||
| Minority rights for all. | ||
| Every individual is protected under our Constitution in the Bill of Rights. | ||
| They hardly know what they're talking about. | ||
| What's so fascinating is that you see the paucity of their ideas. | ||
| As you said, they have no worldview. | ||
| Give us your commentary and free to go off on the biblical tradition as well. | ||
| They hardly know what they're talking about. | ||
| What's so fascinating is that you see the paucity of their ideas. | ||
| As you said, they have no worldview. | ||
| They just know what triggers them, what they don't like, and then they go after it. | ||
| But they tie themselves in knots as they're trying to do that. | ||
| They don't have a logical case. | ||
| And I think that, listen, the reason the cultural Marxists, the radical left has may have made such great inroads in our culture is because many Christians don't have cultural confidence. | ||
| Many Christians say, well, I don't want to impose my... That's like saying, I don't want to impose math and science on you. | ||
| If you think math and science is stupid, you know... | ||
| Math and science are, you know, the tools that we use to do things. | ||
| The idea that we would be talking about our Christian faith in an apologetic way, and I mean that in the contemporary sense of apologetic, and saying, well, you know, we would not have the freedoms that we have in this country without Christian faith. | ||
| We would not have abolished slavery. | ||
| In case anybody wants to know, we ended slavery in America in the Sixties, this all comes out of vibrant Christians behaving as Christians. | ||
| And so when people say, I don't want Christians to behave as Christians, or you need to put your faith in the corner, that's the devil's kind of Christianity. | ||
| So you just have church, but if something is evil, like slavery or the slave trade or, or killing the unborn, uh, or the Nazis wanting to kill the Jews, you say, well, we don't take a position on that. | ||
| It is our job. | ||
| to take a position on these things. | ||
| And if somebody doesn't like the fact that you think Nazism is evil, that's fine for them. | ||
| But I'm going to advocate against fascism. | ||
| I'm going to advocate against corruption in government. | ||
| It's our calling. | ||
| You said it earlier that in my book, Letter to the American Church, and in the sequel, Religionless Christianity, the point I'm trying to make is this has always been what it is to live out your Christian faith. | ||
| If you put your Christian faith in some theological box, where it's safe, they have that kind of Christianity in | ||
| China. | ||
| They say, go to that building and you can have your little church service, but when | ||
| you leave the church service, you will bow to the secular authority of the state. | ||
| If you're a real Christian, you cannot bow to the secular authority of the state. | ||
| You can only bow to God. | ||
| There's a chapter in the book I just mentioned, Religious Christianity, where I talk about | ||
| Bonhoeffer's contemporary, Martin Niemoller. | ||
| He was initially an amazing pastor. | ||
| He was a patriot in Germany, but he was initially fooled by the Nazis and fooled by Hitler. | ||
| And he finally got a meeting with Hitler. | ||
| It's an amazing moment, because he goes in there thinking he's going to reason with Adolf Hitler and help Hitler understand he needs to push his hands off of the church. | ||
| And that's when he sees what he's dealing with. | ||
| He sees a man, Hitler says something to him about, I built the third Reich. | ||
| You just worry about your sermons. | ||
| In other words, you just go into your little theological corner where we're allowing you to be into your little church. | ||
| You do your little ritual, your Christian ritual, but it has no bearing on anything outside that building, no bearing on anything in public life. | ||
| That's the antithesis. | ||
| of actual Christian faith. | ||
| Actual Christian faith has a bearing on everything. | ||
| Actual Christian faith wants to bless people. | ||
| It wants to, you know, free the slaves. | ||
| It wants to free anybody who is somehow in bondage. | ||
| And so it's a beautiful thing, but the devil wants Christians to just go into their little | ||
| corner and do church. | ||
| So you had Germans, German Christians in the 30s doing exactly that, playing along saying, oh, we don't want to say anything against the National Socialists. | ||
| We don't want to say anything against Hitler. | ||
| We just want them to allow us to do church on Sunday. | ||
| And you have many, many churches. | ||
| I'm sure there are people now listening who go to churches like this, where they basically say, well, we don't get involved in that in our church. | ||
| We just do church. | ||
| Well, it's because of those kinds of pastors and Christian leaders in the 30s That the Nazis were able to take over the country and it is why cultural Marxists | ||
| are taking over in this country. | ||
| And so it's up to the church to stand up, not to be cowed by insulting terms like Christian. | ||
| Oh, you're a Christian nationalist. | ||
| So, you know, I wouldn't, I would differ with Josh Hawley in the sense that I, I wouldn't use the term Christian nationalism, but the idea of Christian nationalism, the idea that I'm going to love my country and my love of God is going to inform my love of country. | ||
| It's going to make me a better American citizen. | ||
| It's not going to put me at odds with the constitution or whatever they're saying. | ||
| on MSNBC, and I'm actually hopeful. | ||
| I think that I say in the book that, you know, if you ask George Washington in 1776, hey George, how's it going? | ||
| He would say it is going very, very poorly. | ||
| We're in a war, but if Providence, capital P, be with us, if God be with us in this fight for liberty, then we fight on, we pray, and we trust God with the results. | ||
| And if they had said, In 1776, things are looking pretty bad. | ||
| Let's go home. | ||
| Let's throw in the towel. | ||
| So, you know, in a funny way, obviously, I think of Steve Bannon today saying we need to fight. | ||
| We need not to complain. | ||
| We need not to whine. | ||
| We need to fight and pray because everything is at stake. | ||
| George Washington was that kind of a leader. | ||
| He didn't say, things are going bad, so it looks like God has judged us, so let's skip the whole liberty thing. | ||
| Let's just let King George have his way. | ||
| So that's where we are now in America. | ||
| And I think people are waking up because things have gotten so very bad that many people who were asleep are waking up. | ||
| Yep, Eric, just I'm so thankful for you and your life and the work and everything you've shared. | ||
| The War Room always gets mad at me. | ||
| They say I speak too quickly and then some say you're too slow and you force too much into a show. | ||
| Give us a one-minute closer linking, so people go buy your book, but linking Luther and the Peasant War to Bonhoeffer to Romans 13 and tell people how they're connected and why they should go buy your book. | ||
| The concept of trying to do that in 60 seconds is comfortable. | ||
| But look, let me just say this. | ||
| I wrote a biography of Martin Luther, which is praised by many Catholics. | ||
| Praise the Lord. | ||
| But you see that Luther, when you basically free the gospel, pull it out of its theological It's not a religious thing. | ||
| It's not a theological thing. | ||
| It flies out beyond the church into all the world and it leads to religious liberty. | ||
| It leads to the founding of the United States of America. | ||
| It leads to the sanctity of the individual. | ||
| It leads to all kinds of things that most people including liberals would see as progress. | ||
| That's because of the magic of the gospel. | ||
| It's something supernatural and beautiful. | ||
| It's a gift from God. | ||
| And so you see it through history. | ||
| And there's no doubt that the United States is the fruit of that. | ||
| We could not have the United States. | ||
| We could not have a country like this with all of the flourishing that we've had | ||
| without the good news of Jesus. | ||
| But the point is that you have to unshackle the gospel from its theological roots. | ||
| You have to let it go and touch everything. | ||
| And so I think even today, you have Christians that are afraid. | ||
| They say, well, I don't wanna be political. | ||
| We're meant to. | ||
| Our faith into every sphere, including the political. | ||
| There's just no doubt about that. | ||
| And so I try to make that case in letter to the American church and in the sequel. | ||
| You did. | ||
| Because it's the heresy of the American church that says, we don't want to bother with this. | ||
| We just want to do church. | ||
| If you just want to do church, you're no better than the pastors in Germany who looked the other way as the satanic Nazi ideology was on the march. | ||
| If you look the other way, I will hold you accountable. | ||
| Yep, Eric, I think that is the recurring thesis that kept coming back to me in the book. | ||
| Just the gospel. | ||
| As if it's just a one-sentence declaratory thing and you're done with it. | ||
| You've done it. | ||
| No, it's the whole worldview and you nailed it. | ||
| Go read Eric Metaxas. | ||
| Thanks for being in the War Room. | ||
| God bless you, brother. | ||
| Honored to have Dr. Naomi Wolf back in the War Room. | ||
| She wants to give a little mini-rebuttal to the dialogue Eric McTaggess, her former Yale colleague, had with me. | ||
| And so, Naomi, you've got one minute for that, and then four minutes to sing Stephen K. Bannon's praises in terms of liberty in this country. | ||
| Go, Naomi! | ||
| I'll be fast. | ||
| Well, I love Eric Metaxas, and he's a good friend, and I agreed with almost everything he said, but I do want to say, as a member of a religious minority, I do think the way the right sometimes talks about Christian nationalism and a Christian America is scary and wrong and dangerous for your own success, which you know I support at this point. | ||
| There's a difference between Josh Hawley saying he's a Christian nationalist, which does strip away the separation of church and state, which does suggest a state religion, which is not what the founders intended. | ||
| They were very sure to put in freedom of conscience in our founding documents. | ||
| This place was founded by people like Puritans who were being persecuted as religious minorities. | ||
| You know, Quakers, Jews, right? | ||
| At the very founding of our nation. | ||
| And it's really important that you guys not be blinded by how important it is to make sure that Everyone is protected by the Constitution. | ||
| You also need Muslims and Buddhists and atheists to support your policies, right? | ||
| And you don't want people like me to be terrified of You guys having a victory and then creating state religion and everything that Eric talked about being ethical, opposing, you know, slavery, opposing injustice. | ||
| Well, a lot of other religions also believe in being, you know, being ethical, opposing slavery, opposing injustice. | ||
| And you can do all of that and bring your Christianity into every part of your life without veering into the danger zone that I think Josh Hawley did. | ||
| And, you know, I love Emerald Robinson, but when she said she wants a Christian America, this scares me also. | ||
| That's not what the founders intended. | ||
| They intended freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, and be as Christian as you want. | ||
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Everybody, that's all, every part of your lives. | |
| But don't blur church and state, please. | ||
| That's not what the founders- No, no. | ||
| Naomi, I'm in violent agreement with you. | ||
| And I think Eric would be, if he got to say it. | ||
| The only thing we're being protective of, right, I go out on a lecture tour and I talk about the soul of the American university by Marsden, right? | ||
| It's called from his Protestant establishment like Yale to established unbelief. | ||
| And so our concern is, once you unroot the Constitution from each of us, you and me and everybody, being made in the image of God, if that takes on a Marxist interpretation within the Constitution, which can be amended, bye-bye. | ||
| And so that's our... We're just trying to play prevent-defense. | ||
| We've given away the whole ranch. | ||
| Totally agree, Dave. | ||
| With respect, Christians don't own God. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, nobody does, right? | ||
| God's God. | ||
| Nobody does. | ||
| And we don't want an establishment religion where we're the founders on all that. | ||
| We don't want the one group or the other group being privileged in the law. | ||
| But that one piece, and we're there, right? | ||
| It's like you say, what time is it in this country? | ||
| If we don't, along with everybody, say that we're, you know, even my Chinese friends, | ||
| Indian friends that come from different traditions, I will insist, I'll get into a dialogue with | ||
| them that you are valuable as the left cannot answer the Marxist that why do human being, | ||
| why are human beings valued in the first place? | ||
| They have no philosophical answer to that question. | ||
| And it's a biggie, right? | ||
| Well, because you're human. | ||
| Or Immanuel Kant. | ||
| Well, humans are valued because they do the valuing. | ||
| Those get torn apart in short order, philosophically. | ||
| We could spend a whole show on that. | ||
| But I want to hold you over because you're always so great to have on. | ||
| You spark thought, which is needed, right? | ||
| Your Yale intellect sparks everyone, it gets us excited, and that's what we need in this country is this intellectual dialogue going back and forth with everybody. | ||
| But continue on your freedom theme that you opened the other day on The War Room. | ||
| You should be highly praised because you're almost alone in writing, and you kind of took it to us conservatives who are always spouting about these freedoms in the Constitution and free markets and free this and free that, and I certainly believe in all of it. | ||
| But you took the lead and wrote on it, and so why don't you take it from there? | ||
| Sure thing. | ||
| Well, we spoke about this the other day in an evening show, and I'm picking up again. | ||
| I think it's really important. | ||
| I wrote an essay called, What Time It Is, about Mr. Bannon's incarceration. | ||
| And it's on my Substack, and it got picked up elsewhere. | ||
| But the bottom line is, I talked about how the conditions at the Danbury Prison, where he's being incarcerated, really effectively keep him from engaging with digital communications at all. | ||
| He can't follow the convention. | ||
| He can't advise President Trump or any Republicans in real time. | ||
| As I understand the regulations, he can't even record a message for us to be played later. | ||
| He can receive snail mail. | ||
| He can send snail mail. | ||
| But there are minute restrictions on his communications down to He's only able to be in possession of 20 postage stamps at one time, right? | ||
| Naomi? | ||
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| Hey, Naomi, I'm going to hold you after the break. | ||
| We're going to do a full segment with you. | ||
| I got to get to our friend Mike Lindell, who I've got to get in because of all his great work. | ||
| And he wanted to squeeze a message in as well. | ||
| Mike, what do you got? | ||
| Well, you know, yesterday when I was on here on the war room with Jack Posebek, and I told Jack, he asked me, Mike, was the president asked you to be vice president? | ||
| I said, I said, no. | ||
| And I said, but I will do anything he asked me. | ||
| I said, I would hope that he asked me to be in charge of when we get there to have a bureau for our election platforms. | ||
| And the headlines that came out today from that said, Mike Lindell asked Trump to put him in charge of U.S. | ||
| elections. | ||
| That's not what was said. | ||
| So now the media is just attacking me from every direction. | ||
| I never asked him that. | ||
| I said, I will do anything. | ||
| But I said, what's really needed in our country is to have part of, because the government deemed our elections critical infrastructure, to have a division in our government, part of Homeland Security, that monitors our elections, that takes care of them. | ||
| That's what was said. | ||
| I wanted to clarify that because I keep getting hit all morning here all morning here with | ||
| with the media with the media calling out this | ||
| Fake a fake news basically I didn't ask Donald Trump anything. | ||
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