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Episode 3584: Looking Ahead And What's To Come In The US; Republic Ending Decisions
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derek harvey
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nigel farage
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steve bannon
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ben bergquam
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mike lindell
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jake tapper
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
ben bergquam
The people have had a belly full of it.
steve bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon
It is Friday, 3 May in the year of our Lord 2021.
This next hour is going to be absolutely jammed, so I want to get on with it.
We've got honor to have Nigel Farage join us.
Nigel, just a question, because you know we follow closely European politics, particularly UK.
The Prime Minister and the Tories seem like they're trying to get to the right of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement over the last 10 days or two weeks.
Is that just random?
Is it something that they've finally woken up to the fact?
Or is that what I've been telling people, the specter of Niger Farage getting back into elective politics in the United Kingdom, sir?
nigel farage
Well, let's work it out, Steve, shall we?
14 years in office.
They've slashed the size of our army, navy and air force.
They've opened up the borders to legal immigration on a scale we've literally never seen.
20 times The post-war average is what they've now got legal migration at.
Illegal migration, where we've got hordes of young men, undocumented, of fighting age, crossing the English Channel.
And suddenly, in the last two weeks, they're going to be tough!
They're going to spend lots of money on defence and they're going to send illegal immigrants to Rwanda.
Well, you can believe it if you want to.
Frankly, I think they are... I mean, they're in trouble anyway.
But I think what they're fearful of is that if I was to come back into the frontline trenches of British politics, I think they fear literally being wiped out in a way that's never happened to them in the last 200 years.
And I think after 14 years of lies and deceptions, 14 years of being elected as Conservatives but governing as Liberals, frankly, it almost doesn't matter what he says, who on earth is going to believe them?
steve bannon
Nigel, they're talking, just for our audience, so the American audience understands the difference, they're talking about should they have a leadership fight within the Tory party or should they just go to a general election?
Can you explain what the difference is and why that difference is so important in this situation?
nigel farage
Yeah, well, first things first, you know, you have fixed elections.
You know that your national general election will take place on 5 November 2024.
In the United Kingdom, the Prime Minister has a five-year term, but he has the absolute right to call an election whenever he wants.
Now, the speculation has been that he might call a midsummer election, a late June, early July election.
He has the power to do that.
But yesterday in the UK, we had a host of mayoral and local district elections and the results are still coming in.
But thus far, the Conservatives have lost exactly 50% of their council seats across England.
50% of their seats gone in one election.
On the current course, they'll get an even worse result than they got against Tony Blair in 1997.
So I don't think we're going to see a summer election.
I think we'll see an election take place probably in November, either a week before or a week after your own presidential and general election.
There is talk of Rishi being removed, that the Conservative backbenchers could vote him out.
They won't do that.
This would be the fifth leader the Conservative party have put upon us.
I mean, frankly, The whole thing is reaching a farce.
My guess is they'll stick with Rishi and we are going to have a Labour government.
I mean it's 99% certain we'll get a Labour government.
The bigger question perhaps for us is how do we reshape the centre right of British politics to make sure that this is just a one term Labour government and that we actually have a credible Conservative movement running for office in the United Kingdom that believes in entrepreneurship, that believes in strong borders, that believes it wants to go on fighting globalism.
The question is how do we get to that?
steve bannon
I mean, that's really the key is, like in the United States, the MAGA movements taken over the Republican Party to actually be an alternative instead of just controlled opposition.
I guess the point you're making is that the Tories have been essentially controlled opposition or kind of almost a centrist, slightly left party and haven't given people in the United Kingdom a real alternative.
Is that the point?
nigel farage
Yeah.
Yeah.
The honest truth is that politically what the Conservatives are offering and what Labour are offering is very, very similar.
They're both high tax, they're both big state, they're both pro vast levels of immigration, they both love signing up to international agreements.
Don't forget, the Conservatives supported Remain strongly.
It's only because I kicked them up the backside hard that in the end, they went for the Brexit side of the argument.
We have not had a proper Conservative party, and this is the truth of it, since the fall of Margaret Thatcher over 30 years ago.
They pretend to be one thing, but in truth, they're nearly all Social Democrats.
steve bannon
So hold it.
What you're telling us now, your best guess, is they won't call an early election, they're going to wait until sometime a week or two before the American presidential election or right after to have an election in the United Kingdom?
nigel farage
Yes, I firmly believe that.
I mean, why would you go to the polls now if you know you're going to lose?
But the only argument for it would be, well, maybe if we stay in office, the annihilation will get even worse.
But no, I don't believe he'll have an early election.
I believe he'll go pretty much, as I say, to the end.
They're going to get annihilated anyway.
And I suppose this morning, you know, having lost all the number of seats they have, one of the big areas of speculation is, well, you know, is Nigel Farage going to come back and lead reform?
I guess if I did that, they would get hurt even more badly.
I want to be part, Steve, of the realignment of the right of British politics.
So I'm looking ahead to the next Parliament.
Whether intervening now would be the intelligent thing, or whether waiting would be the intelligent thing, that's what I've got to work out.
steve bannon
And we'll keep update with you over the next couple weeks as you think this thing through.
Before I let you go, because you've been at the forefront for this for many decades, right now in the United States people are in shock on these college campuses what's spilling over because they're seeing this kind of neo-Marxist both faculty and students combining with Sharia supremacist.
You've been warning about this in the United Kingdom for a decade.
Can you tell our American audience what they're in store for?
nigel farage
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, one thing we're seeing overnight from the local election results is in our central cities, there's a new politics emerging.
People are voting for Islamist candidates in increasing numbers.
Sectarian politics is coming to the UK.
And if you add to that, and please, all of you think about this, a recent poll, a representative poll of British Muslims showed 46% support Hamas.
Nearly half of British Muslims Support a prescribed terrorist organisation that we see as an enemy of our country.
And I look at your southern border and the people that are coming in, and there's a danger that unless you sort that out, you too will have your own fifth column living within America.
And I'd have thought actually on the grounds of national security, And what is happening at your border, that's probably the biggest reason of all to go and vote Donald Trump in November.
And I listened to what Mike was saying a few moments ago.
Now, we've got to remember, you know, over half of Democrats in this country are sensible, patriotic people, and they're the ones that need to switch.
steve bannon
Nigel Farage, where can we get your show?
How can people following you on social media get all your content?
nigel farage
nfarage.com.
Go there and everything I do is on display.
steve bannon
Nigel, thank you very much.
Honored to have you on here.
nigel farage
Thanks, Dave.
steve bannon
A future Prime Minister of Great Britain, Nigel Farage, a man that is one of the towering figures in modern politics, led his country to get sovereignty back.
Mike Lindell, Nigel just gave you a name check and a shout-out.
I want to go right back to that on your travels, because you're essentially a blue-collar guy, and you have a company that's got tons of great workers in it.
Hit that point again.
As you go around the country, independents and particularly Democrats that are MAGA and could come to our side now in this election, and that's a game-changer, sir.
mike lindell
It really is.
All the destruction that's going on in our country, even in my own company, we had people that were on the left, and they were maybe in the middle, but they definitely voted Democrat.
I've talked to them, and all around this country, people are ready to come into this bucket of common sense.
This is a different Republican Party, too.
We all know that.
We all know that I fight these uniparty Republicans all the time.
This is a new bucket.
This is the people's bucket.
And anyone, if you got tired of arguing with people back in 2016 and 20, everybody, it's different now.
You talk to these people, they want to, they can see it right in front of them, gas at all-time highs.
All these destruction, people pouring across the border.
They hear every day of people dying from fentanyl and everything else.
These are decisions that were made by a horrible, evil administration to destroy our country.
And they see this.
This has been eye-opening.
I mean, everyone I talked to, did you vote Democrat?
Did you vote Biden?
They're kind of ashamed of it, but they're ready to come over to this bucket.
So everybody's got to get out there.
Not just telling the base to vote, to vote.
I believe we're all going to vote.
Get out there and you go door-to-door, go to your neighbors and say, hey, do you see what's going on?
I know you vote a Democrat, but let's vote for our great real president.
steve bannon
This is why I call this MAGA+.
This is MAGA.
This is this audience bringing 10 people, bringing 15 people, bringing 20 people.
Those people you know, they have a sense, Mike, I think, that we're losing America and we're losing America quickly.
The America they love.
And they're not going to tolerate it.
They may be afraid because there's, you know, people come down, oh, you're a Trump voter, you're MAGA, right?
You know, the nightly news tells me you guys are insurrectionists, you're bad people.
But they understand their heart.
Something's wrong.
The country is in a radically, radically different trajectory, and they understand it's wrong.
And everybody in this audience, start being an evangelist.
Preach the gospel of MAGA.
Right?
Just common sense, right?
Common sense.
Go ahead, sir.
mike lindell
And Steve, another thing too, it's easy for me to go out there and, you know, as I've been attacked in my company, made in the USA, this company with employee-owned company, that's a good example.
All the public, everyone on the left too, is watching we get attacked relentlessly at MyPillow.
Why?
Because their CEO wants fair and free elections.
And goes out there and speaks his mind is shameful.
And they see that.
And you know, that's why I say even the journalists on the left, they become kind of weird friends of mine.
They have to actually, their articles now, I have to, I have to tell them to bash me more so their bosses will print it so we can get the word out.
So people are seeing this, everybody.
And it's actually doing us, I told our real president the other day, I said, you know, the more they attack, it's really opening people's eyes going, This doesn't make sense.
Look around us.
Don't we care about our country?
All the people do.
This is the media and the very evil administration that's in there right now.
steve bannon
The age of common sense is upon us, and I'm telling you, two-thirds of this country to 75 percent, two-thirds to three-quarters, are MAGA.
They're common sense American citizens, and they want things set right.
Mike Lindell, give me a deal.
People, this one you've been proposing the last couple days, people love.
I want to hear it.
mike lindell
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Get back to turning Democrats MAGA.
That's what we need right now.
That's what this whole thing's about.
I mean, it is, they see what's happening.
Next, we're going to go, we got Burquam.
Ben's going to give us an update on the border and what's happening in the universities because what Nigel Farage is warning you about is that the United Kingdom and Europe have seen this.
This is what's happening now in our cities.
This is what's happening in our college campus.
What Nigel Farage warned about, and he's been warning about, this local voting in England, you have Islamist parties.
Islamist parties that are now taking council seats.
Okay, short break.
We're gonna go to Burquam in New York.
Colonel Harvey joins us.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Uh, Ben Berquam.
Ben Berquam is actually down in Lower Manhattan.
Ben, Andrew Drew Lance, we're going to try to step out and join us.
We're going to update on the trial.
Two things.
Update, we had Nigel on.
You see what's coming here in the United States.
I got Derek Harvey trying to follow you.
This Marxist, Sharia Supremacist, now you got the kids at UCLA, they called a prayer.
It's all over videos, all over TikTok.
Give us your assessment, sir.
ben bergquam
Yeah, it's a global anarcho-communist jihad, what we have going on.
And all you have to do is look at every single college campus.
This is being led by Marxists behind the scenes and the faculty.
Look at UCLA, the same faculty that we saw out at Fordham.
You have the exact same message.
We stand with our students.
The truth is, they're not standing with their students.
They are working behind the scenes, working on this destruction of the West, the destruction of America.
And it's a cancer not just in America, it's a global cancer.
Look at Berlin today.
The same thing is happening.
It's the death of the Western nations.
If we don't stop it, it's only going to get worse, Steve.
steve bannon
Well, Ben, you've been in Real America's Voice.
I want to give a shout out to Parker and Rob Sigg for supporting your work over the years.
You've become kind of an icon.
You and Oscar Blue Ramirez, others, going to Darien Gap, Michael Yan, all these guys, putting yourselves in harm's way.
We're not taking our eye off the border.
It's flooding across the border.
It's one of the reasons we're pushing the motion to vacate on Johnson.
They're flooding across the border every day.
I know you've got updates and new content coming.
Tell me about it.
ben bergquam
Yeah, so all you have to do is come to New York, and you see it everywhere.
Illegals are coming across.
It's not stopping.
It's not slowing down.
The invasion is continuing, and while we're distracted by this trial behind me, and while we're distracted by these anarcho-communists that are taking over our country, our country is being invaded.
Our next episode, Law & Border, is coming out tomorrow.
We start in San Diego, and we're doing the 2,000-mile-long journey, and you will see it with your own eyes.
You cannot You can't ignore it.
The mainstream media wants to ignore it, but we show it.
That's why we have the show, Law & Border, 7 p.m.
Eastern tomorrow night.
Our new episode comes out.
And that's what we should be focused on.
You're right, Steve.
We need to focus on the things that matter.
steve bannon
Well, this is why we're going after Johnson, because not having Trump's back in this thing on the border, we're going to stream it too.
Grace and Mo have updates for the entire audience on Rumble and Getter, all of our platforms.
Another great Real America's Voice investigative report from Ben Burkham.
Hang out right there.
I want to bring on Colonel Harvey.
So, Colonel, you know, people like Trevor Loudon yourself have warned For decades now, this kind of red-green merger, you know, just don't think this is about the Palestinians.
This is a Marxist, Jihadist, Sharia Supremacist movement that's coming together, not to take out Israel, not to take out the Jews, not to take out the Jews in America.
That's in their immediate gun sights.
This is all targeted on the Judeo-Christian West, every nation, and particularly the New Jerusalem, the United States of America, sir.
derek harvey
No, that's absolutely right.
And having worked these issues over a couple of decades in the intelligence community and taking a look at terrorism and networks and financing, the blending of the leftist Marxist with the Islamist supremacist has been going on for some time.
You know, it's a compact of convenience for sure, but that's what's going on.
And today we just see it manifested here on our campuses with the Palestinian-Islamist partnership with the leftists and the Marxists, you know, in an organized way, financed, coordinated.
These marches weren't organic.
They started planning these marches, taking over the campuses back in November, organizing, planning, financing.
steve bannon
Let's go to that, because now there's reports coming out that they actually got organized in the same groups we've seen all the time, doing a coordination.
There's a list of what they want to target, and really what they want to target was start in the Acela corridor.
That's why if you lay out a map, you don't see the SEC schools, you don't see the south, so maybe Tulane.
They focus where the media is.
And where all these progressive faculty members are, all these Marxist faculty members.
Tell me about that, about working together, because right now, this thing's exploded.
And it ain't going away because kids are going home for the summer, sir.
derek harvey
No, that's correct.
And, you know, we're probably going to see, you know, a hot summer, especially at the convention for Chicago, you know, with the Democrats there.
That'll be targeted more than I think Milwaukee.
The coordination's going on.
They are sharing their talking points and their demands.
The money that's behind this, there's upwards of 75 major groups that are financing and putting this money through a dark web of multiple groups so they can't trace it back.
They're using Venmo and other online apps to move the money.
Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, they're all financing this, whether wittingly or unwittingly.
This is what's going on.
But the root of the blame on campus goes to the administrations.
You know, I taught at Carnegie Mellon and University of South Florida.
There are almost 16 different Palestinian, Islamist, Arab, agitating type organizations at the University of South Florida, all part of student government, all getting funding.
And they're successful in getting their demands.
At Rutgers, we see that, you know, about 80% of their demands are being met, you know, for a Palestinian cultural center, for an exchange program with a university in Gaza.
That type of thing going on, you know, agreeing to bring in students from Gaza, you know, to fly the Palestinian flag, to hire faculty that are from Arab, Islamic, or, you know, the Palestinian community.
They are caving at campus after campus in the Northeast and on the West Coast.
steve bannon
Correct me if I'm wrong.
This is like lawfare against President Trump, which is polls are going up, but they've locked him in a courtroom while Biden goes around the country.
Now, President Trump's done jujitsu and used it to where the fire station, etc.
But people, it's eight hours a day, 10 hours a day, four days a week.
Their mind, their lawfare is working.
That's why I'm demanding a criminal investigation, criminal conspiracy investigation at the House.
And we're not going to back off this.
But also, correct me if I'm wrong, Colonel Harvey, and you're an intelligence guy, hasn't the student revolt here in the United States worked?
Because with all the talk, Netanyahu, I don't see the four combat brigades of the Muslim Brotherhood Hamas in Rafah being taken down.
I see a complete stop.
It's essentially a ceasefire.
May not be a ceasefire they negotiated, but there's no removal of the existential threat against Israel, is there?
derek harvey
No, there is not.
And the Biden administration, as Lee Smith pointed out in an article in Tablet, I think it was, has effectively stalled, delayed, and blocked the Israelis from taking out Hamas.
And in effect, Biden has protected Hamas, given them the time and space to organize this, and this feeds into their worldwide strategy to attack Israel and to bridge, to overcome that rampart there with Israel, to isolate it and create You know, a security dilemma for them.
And the war could have been over much quickly, much more quickly, and it would have cost less, would have hurt the Palestinian people less, if Rafa would have been taken starting in January.
But the Biden administration stopped that.
steve bannon
When you say stop it, does Israel have enough weapons, men, strategy?
Even back to January, we were arguing.
When you have to go through hell, go through it quickly as possible.
Did they have enough on their own or did they need Biden's support to go into RAFA?
Or did the Biden administration actually lock him down and say, you can't do it, sir?
derek harvey
Well, it's a complicated response, but, you know, the threats about the United Nations pulling out diplomatic support, arms blocking the resupply of arms that might have been needed against Iran or to fight these constant barrages that are still ongoing from Lebanon.
There's no news coverage about the ongoing fight to isolate and create an embargo on on Israel and the displacement of nearly 300,000 people in the northern part of the country.
We don't talk about that in the American media.
But all of those factors come into play when the unity government there has to think about how fast and what do they do.
Sure, they have enough military capability of their own organically to take out RAFA and those four elements there that are still Hamas organized units.
But the cost would have been extremely detrimental.
It's a dilemma for the Israelis because they do depend upon the United States for, most importantly, diplomatic support at the United Nations, which has been significantly eroded.
steve bannon
You're absolutely right.
By the way, nobody's talking about turkeys cut them off.
They're getting a blockade.
Also, real quickly, I want to hold you through the break for a minute, but just give me 30 seconds.
Are not U.S.
Marines within gunfire, I mean, small arms range, were building a massive pier right in Gaza off the Mediterranean to ship in resupplies to there?
And I guess Hamas will have free reign because it won't go through any Israeli checkpoint, sir?
derek harvey
That's correct.
There's no Israeli, you know, management of that.
It's already been attacked once or twice that I've noted already from Palestinian Islamic Jihad, I think.
But, you know, the most important thing here is food has been arriving, support has been arriving into Gaza continuously, you know, but it gets controlled by Hamas.
The latest was, you know, a major convoy from UNRWA Was taken over by Hamas gunmen again.
steve bannon
I saw the gun battle.
Colonel Harvey, hang on.
We got Burquam, Colonel Harvey, hopefully Andrew Giuliani will step out of the court.
E.J.
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All day long, challenge your mind.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bound.
Okay, we've got a lot to get to.
steve bannon
First, let me get to Colonel Harvey.
It's been magnificent.
I want to spend more time for you, hopefully get you on a Saturday show at six o'clock.
We have a little more time to develop because your career, you know more, but you forgot more about this than most people know.
Where do people go to get access to all your content, though, Colonel?
derek harvey
Most importantly, it would be online at DerekHarvey.org.
And that's where you can also book me for speaking engagements.
And then at Twitter, Colonel D. Harvey.
And on Truth Social, Derek Harvey, at Derek Harvey.
steve bannon
Colonel Harvey, I just, I go ahead, Nigel Farage opened it and you're closing out the first half of the second hour.
People have got to start to, and this audience is the best, but this whole concept of the red-green merger, the radical neo-Marxist and Marxist movement with, as a convenience, I'm not saying they agree on anything because they don't, but the radical jihad, Sharia supremacism, and Cultural Marxism.
You've seen it in the United Kingdom.
You've seen it in France.
You've seen it everywhere.
It is here in the United States.
Some of that's coming from legal immigration.
A lot of it's coming from illegal immigration.
But this is a concept people have to... The revolt on college campuses, what's happening in Israel, can only make sense when you understand that construct.
Am I inaccurate on that?
Am I off base?
derek harvey
The marriage of convenience is...
Hard for some people to accept, but it's there.
It's just like in Weimar, Germany, when the communists partnered with the Nazis to topple the government there.
That said, let's take a look at students on campus.
We have 400,000 Chinese students on campus, but if you look, you've got, you know, Qataris, Palestinians, etc.
Almost 50% of the students that I had at Carnegie Mellon University were foreign-born, and still they're on They were not American citizens, and they're part of this.
They are definitely part of this effort.
steve bannon
Big part.
Colonel Harvey, thank you so much for joining us.
Honored to have you on here.
derek harvey
I'll see you tomorrow.
steve bannon
I'm going to go now.
Andrew Giuliani stepped... Thank you, brother.
Yeah, we'll get Derek on the Saturday show.
Let's do that.
We'll have more time to develop this.
Andrew Giuliani has joined us with Ben Burquam.
Andrew, give us an update.
What's happened in court this morning?
unidentified
Yes Steve, so I'd say that one of the biggest things of note was even before the defense's witness took the stand, I'm sorry, the prosecution's witness
took the stand, the Access Hollywood tape and what would be admitted was discussed before the jury ended up walking in the room and the judge would not allow a picture of Donald Trump for the Access Hollywood tape to be allowed in there, a picture of Donald Trump and Billy Bush to be allowed, saying that the words, the transcript alone of what Donald Trump said
is very damning to associate that with a face.
I found that to be incredible, considering as the jury would hear that transcript, they would be looking directly at Donald J. Trump.
So per the judge's, I think, thought process on this, the entire transcript should be disallowed from the record.
Another point in here, Beauvais, one of Donald Trump's defense attorneys, he cross-examined
uh... dow's who is the uh... who's the forensic expert on this and basically show that there was a massive vacuum many multiple massive vacuums in terms of the actual obtaining of colin's cell phones and also that they did not have the laptop of which colin actually backed up some information on there as well uh... and bovey basically the final question that he asked the witness was
So it seems like we are just going to have to take Michael Cohen's word for it, isn't it?
And the witness said, yes.
Obviously, that's going to be a big part of Trump's team's defense here.
Michael Cohen, convicted liar, convicted felon, somebody that Davidson has said lied to him on multiple occasions yesterday.
That's going to be a big part of Trump's defense here, and we could see it already with Beauvais in the courtroom.
steve bannon
Real quickly, I just want to ask you, and we'll get your dad on, too.
I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to me like they keep their witnesses up there forever, and the cross is not taking as long as I thought it would.
I thought they would keep the lawyers up there and cross.
It would take days like they had it.
Is that the perception in the courtroom, or are we just missing that because we're outside the courtroom?
Is the cross going well as far as you see it, the cross examination?
unidentified
I thought Beauvais was very effective in the cross-examination today.
I really thought he was.
I think he showed that basically that there were some major, major gaps in terms of the information that the forensic analyst could actually see.
And he brought up the metadata.
He was able to point that out.
He was actually able to show A couple of different lines of the time stamp, including some of the Verizon phone records of Cohen as well.
I thought he did a very effective job at seeing that basically a lot of what was going to be alleged here by the prosecution was going to have to be on Cohen's word, not actually backed up by the facts.
So I thought at least today was very effective.
We'll see with Hope Hicks as one of the prosecution's witnesses here coming up this afternoon.
steve bannon
Hold it.
Don't bury the lead here.
Hope Hicks takes the stand this afternoon?
unidentified
Yes, she does.
She will take the stand.
It is assumed right after lunch.
steve bannon
And that's something they do.
They want to finish big on a Friday to leave that in the jury's head.
Is that way Hope Hicks is going to testify today?
unidentified
Yeah, that's exactly right.
They want to finish big.
And you could even see with some of the posts that one of the district attorney's paralegals was talking about.
There were posts on McCain that were put up there.
There were some other ones with regard.
uh... to some of the things the president trump is set about the false media uh... that fake media should say uh... that the basically had no relevance to this case it seemed to be a little bit more smoke and mirrors in trying to take president trump is this uh... bad guy for uh... for some reason It seems like they're going to try to do that in terms of hoe picks.
You have somebody who's a star witness, somebody people, that people know about very well.
And, uh, I think they're going to get beyond the facts and the details on this.
And they're going to try to get something that sticks with the jury here.
We'll see if the Trump team has the opportunity today to cross-examine or that will go into next week.
That'll determine how long the prosecution actually questions Hopkins.
steve bannon
No, I'm sure she'll be up there.
They won't leave it with a cross for the jury to think about.
Andrew, where do people get you?
You got a new show up on RAV.
Where do people get you on social media?
unidentified
Go to Andrew H. Giuliani and we'll keep on reporting here.
steve bannon
Andrew, fantastic job.
Thank you for staying down there and stepping out and updating us.
Fantastic.
See, right there you get MSNBC all day.
It's every second of every day.
You get Andrew to step out, bang, bang, bang.
Big afternoon.
The Hope Hicks testimony.
So we'll see how that goes.
This whole thing's fake.
It's with the 2016 election.
Give me a break.
It's a joke.
They tried this a molar and had nothing.
So we're going to have a we're going to have a bifurcated hit with E.J.
and Tony, one of our favorites.
I'm going to take the dead side and then today at five, Natalie's going to talk to him about the new labor statistics that came out.
At six o'clock, I'm going to have an interview with Tulsi Gabbard, followed by Eric Prince and Ben Harnwell.
So I got the interviews with Tulsi and then Natalie's got a whole show cooked up with breaking news.
A lot of things are going on and some great stuff on the vaccines and particularly EJ.
Tell the audience, we've mentioned this many times, but I want the audience to understand this because this to me was quite important.
Kenneth, I think it's Rogoff, over at Harvard, he's the author of this seminal work called This Time It's Completely Different, which is really an ironic or mocking title, talking about every government in world history, whether a dictatorship, a democracy, a republic, Every time they start spending more money than they bring in, they always have an excuse.
They always say, well you're not thinking, this time it's actually different.
Once it gets past the statuary, once it gets past GDP, eventually those governments fall and those countries collapse.
He's just written a new seminal piece that I think, what I love about it, it reinforces what EJ and Tony's been saying on the show for at least the last two years.
Can you walk us through it?
ej antoni
Certainly, Steve.
Essentially, we're at a point where we have borrowed so much from the future that it's time to pay the piper.
And eventually you get to a point where you have borrowed so much from the future that you can't possibly hope to pay it back.
It's like a family who gets into so much debt that eventually just the cost of servicing that debt, in other words the interest payments, Start to crowd out major types of spending.
We're not talking about luxuries here like the family can't afford to go on vacation.
We're talking the family can't afford food.
They can't pay rent.
They can't afford clothing.
They can't afford a car payment, etc.
That is the point which we are fast approaching For the nation and you know a lot of countries around the world throughout history have had this experience where they accumulate so much debt they owe more than they actually produce and not only that but the cost of servicing that debt begins to outweigh things like their military budget at which point those nations typically have to cut back on that military budget.
This famously happened with Rome.
And when Rome was no longer able to feed and equip its armies, what happened?
Well, the barbarians had a great time taking over not just the borderlands, but eventually sacking the capital itself.
steve bannon
Rogoff's article, and I'll try to get it up right now, and Mo and Grace, you've got to push this out.
I want the audience to read this.
It's up on, I think, Project Syndicate.
It's been some other places, too.
It's the end of magical debt thinking.
And what Rogoff's been saying, what EJ's been arguing, Dave Brad's been arguing, we've been arguing the show, is that there's going to come a point in time that the political class cannot be Yeshu anymore.
This magical debt thinking, this, the end of modern, you know, the modern monetary theory, all of these bizarre, radical, and here's what disturbs me so much about it.
These, EJ, as you know, were the most radical financial theories, I think, since Marx and communism, and they were accepted.
It was accepted by Wall Street, it was accepted by Silicon Valley, it was accepted by the Uniparty and the corporatists.
They all embraced it.
They didn't say they embraced it, but their actions were that they embraced it.
And Rogoff includes that in this magical debt.
You just cannot continue to run trillion, trillion and a half, two trillion dollar Deficits.
McMaster's, I'm no fan of McMaster's, but he's going around today giving one of the national security advisors for Trump.
He's saying defense spending immediately has got to go to 4%.
American defense spending.
To add that, another couple trillion dollars.
Here's the point, EJ.
Rogoff has been ironclad on this.
You've been ironclad on this.
If you continue to do this, the inflation is going to wipe out the middle class and the working class, because the only way that they can do this is to continue to drive inflation.
That's how the lords of easy money make out?
ej antoni
Exactly.
And this is why it's so important that people protect their assets against inflation.
What we've essentially seen this last week from Powell is a complete bending of the knee to Biden and to Yellen to the point where he is now going to essentially subsidize the Treasury market.
And that's happening in combination with Janet Yellen running her own version of Operation Twist.
And she's doing the buyback.
In other words, these two are completely manipulating the Treasury market so that what you see in terms of the yields on Treasuries, those interest rates, do not reflect reality.
It's all being subsidized by the American people via the hidden tax of inflation.
Your wealth is going to be evaporated in the coming years and in the coming decades because that's the only way these people can pay for the massive amount of debt that they have racked up. And eventually people will say they've had enough of it. Eventually people will stop conducting trade in these currencies, whether it's international trade or even domestically. People will resort to things like cryptocurrencies. They'll resort to barter.
Again, it has happened countless times throughout history, as that article explains, and it can very easily happen here too.
steve bannon
you.
Antoni, social media, you've become a leader in the financial thinking of this movement.
Where do people get you?
ej antoni
Best place to find me is on X. The handle there is AtRealEJAntoni.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Okay, I'm going to have this Rogoff.
I'm going to talk more about it tomorrow morning on our Saturday show with Philip Patrick and a couple of other pieces that have come up.
Rogoff is not MAGA.
Rogoff is not a conservative, I don't believe.
He's a well-known economist at Harvard, but he's been on this debt issue for decades, and he says it's now going to be the end of magical debt thinking.
This is republic-ending, just like the invasion of the southern border.
These are republic-ending decisions people have made.
Short commercial break, back in a moment.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon
Okay, one of the things we try to do on this show is to make sure you have access and to take on topics maybe other people won't, like capital markets, global finance.
Because it is, you have to understand that to really understand politics, and particularly domestic politics.
The capital markets and the flow of money and international commerce, all of it.
This is why Trump's presidency was so different than anybody else, when he went after trade and bringing jobs back.
All that.
Two of the folks we've had here that are sponsored in line with us.
One is Jim Rickards.
I know the audience loves having Jim on.
Jim Rickards, you go to RickardsWarRoom.com.
RickardsWarRoom.com is a special landing page we have.
If you sign up for strategic intelligence and that gives you all of Jim's thinking.
On a current basis, you get the book Currency Wars, which is how I became acquainted with Jim.
He teaches at the, I think, the Army War College, I think at the Staff College also, Financial Economic Warfare, which I'm a big believer in when properly pointed at the Chinese Communist Party, not just all over the map.
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Also, the reason, three years ago, we started with Birch Gold about Wanting to explain to you, give you information on what the dollar empire, what King Dollar was and how essential currency was to your financial well-being.
And so we did the end of the dollar empire because the dollar empire is coming to an end because of actions by our elites.
That's why Rogoff's piece is so important.
Rogoff is like one of the experts and hey, he ain't MAGA and he ain't aligned with War Room.
He just calls it like he sees it.
Now, like I said, he wrote this seminal book, but that's why you go to birchgold.com slash banner.
Now you get the free end of the dollar empire.
We've got all of the debt trap.
We have coming off the gold standard with President Nixon.
We have now the fifth installment, which we take digital currency of where the Fed's focus is, right?
The Fed's focus now underwriting Biden.
They've made some radical changes.
Rogoff is calling that he's caught the end of magical debt thinking.
When a guy like Rogoff says that, you should take it as a papal bull of what's going on.
So birchgold.com.
I'm having Philip on the show tomorrow.
I think I'm going to have Eric Princeton.
We're going to be jammed.
Colonel Harvey.
We're going to talk a lot of geopolitics and tie it back to what's going on to the United States today, and particularly things like this motion to vacate.
They're all inextricably linked.
I think you know that from watching the show.
One of the reasons we have these sponsors, we look at areas that we think are concerned and say, who's in that space?
Who's in that vertical?
One, and I got Dr. Sean Rowland and Jace Medical, and I'm so amazed at what they did off of Rosemary Gibson's book.
But currently, here's what I don't understand.
In the audience, I talk to people all the time.
They say, hey, ask Dr. Sean this.
And this is just an article up from the other day.
It was one of the lead stories in Daily Mail about, I think it was chemo.
Some great hero patriot can't get the chemo.
It's got to be delayed.
He may die from it.
That's happening all the time.
People ask me, ask Dr. Sean, why does it appear it's come out of nowhere that whatever the medicine or whatever it is, it seems like now stores are out of it, doctors are out of it, pharmacies are out of it.
What has happened?
Well, certainly this is something that we're hearing more and more every day.
You mentioned that article, and unfortunately that individual did end up succumbing to his cancer because of the lack of access.
dr shawn rowland
say my doctor shouldn't subscribe it to me, prescribe it to me, but now if you need it your doctor says you have to have it, you can't get it. Why is that happen Dr. Sean? Well certainly this is something that we're hearing more and more every day. You mentioned that article and unfortunately that individual did end up succumbing to to his cancer because of the lack of access and it turns out that that particularly even with with chemotherapy drugs This has been going on for years now.
It's not a new problem.
It's just finally come to this boiling point where it cannot be ignored anymore and it's starting to get more attention in the press.
The why behind it, you know, there's various reasons.
If you look at the, really, this is a good example of what happens in an industry that's as vital as the pharmaceutical industry is to our health.
Uh, when profit is, is the most important, it's profit above all else.
You, you follow the money, you know, we've shipped all this, uh, production capacity overseas.
We've got consolidation where you've only got one or two factories making a certain medication or a certain ingredient.
Uh, and then you, and then you've got, uh, regulation issues from the FDA standpoint and some mismanagement there and combine all that together and you've got what's becoming Just an untenable situation, whether it's cancer drugs, whether it's antibiotics, something as simple as a generic antibiotic that's been around for 30, 40 years that now you get a prescription from your doctor.
I just had a patient the other day, someone who wrote in to thank us.
They had an infection, went and saw their doctor, got the prescription, went to the pharmacy and the pharmacy said, okay, well, it's going to take us two, maybe three days to get this medication in.
And she's sick right then in the moment.
You can't wait three days to start taking your antibiotic.
And she remembered that she had the same medication in her Jace case, saved the day.
But, you know, to answer that question, it's something that it's not going away.
We're starting to see this time and again, and the list is just growing longer every day.
steve bannon
Is this, you know, over at Revolver, what they've said is that this is, whether it's aviation, transportation, this is a complex system.
It's a complex system, and this system is actually starting to fall apart, at least on the margins.
Is that also your theory of the case?
dr shawn rowland
Yeah, absolutely.
No, and I think you're seeing there's too much from the production in China and India and other places far, far away from here.
All the things that can happen from the point of production to where you finally get it in your hands.
It's such a delicate system that any one disruption just has these ripple effects.
We need solutions here in the United States.
We need better management from the government.
And in the meantime, we need solutions that we can just access as individuals.
And that's what we're working on over at JACE.
steve bannon
And you're saying right now, it's in such a delicate balance, even something we wouldn't even think about, like hurricane season.
People better start thinking, in the United States now, how to get ahead of it.
So Hal, what is your solutions provider?
Give us a solution.
dr shawn rowland
Yeah, you mentioned the hurricane season.
We're seeing these reports saying that we're potentially looking at one of the worst hurricane seasons in decades, and any one of these Incidences can trip that, you know, where all of a sudden you've got an overwhelmed healthcare system and maybe you've got access to the meds, but you don't have access to the doctors or vice versa.
And so you're really, what I'm out there trying to get the word out to everyone is, hey, here's a solution that you can take some of this into your own hands, empower yourself to be able to protect yourself, your loved ones, and have these medications on hand.
And so that's what JACE Medical, that's why we exist.
It's a process that we've worked really hard to make easy and convenient.
You go to Jace, J-A-C-E, jace.com, go through that, go through the encounter there.
It takes a couple of minutes.
You can get your daily medications, things that you might need for your blood pressure, your thyroid disorder, whatever those daily medications are.
You can also get emergency medications, antibiotics, antivirals, creams, anything that you would need in an emergency situation.
steve bannon
Do it.
Do it today.
Hit the bid on this today.
Charlie Kirk next.
Natalie at five.
I'm back at six.
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