April 5, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| Donald Trump's amnesia advantage gets at what you were just talking about. | ||
| Susan writes, in part, the American presidency is the ultimate easy target whether high gas prices due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine or post-pandemic inflation at the grocery store. | ||
| Biden absorbed the outrage while the mitigating steps taken by his administration have not redounded to his credit. | ||
| Susan continues, the incumbency bind is a real problem for Biden in 2024. | ||
| So too is the political amnesia powering the increasingly absurd arguments from Trump and his enablers about how he better handle everything from Israel and Ukraine to the border. | ||
| Forgetting Trump's own memory lapses and those of the broader electorate is one of the former president's political superpowers. | ||
| You could add to that list, and I know you write about this too, Susan, January 6th, the rewriting of history around that, what he did around the 2020 election. | ||
| Donald Trump, still sort of like he did in 2016, wants to be the white knight riding in to save a country in decline, forgetting the fact that he was right there in the middle of it for four years adding to it. | ||
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Yeah, I'm pretty blown away. | |
| When you look at some of these numbers, it is just extraordinary. | ||
| It's as if the country, a large part of the country, has lost its collective mind, really. | ||
| I mean, you see Donald Trump going up in polls on every sort of criteria. | ||
| For example, leadership qualities. | ||
| Is he capable of managing the country well in a crisis? | ||
| It's literally like Did all of America just sleep through 2020? | ||
| Did they forget this? | ||
| And what I'm struck by is that it's across the board. | ||
| We're talking about Israel right now. | ||
| And increasingly, I hear, as I'm sure you do, from many people, especially many young people who are not even fans of Donald Trump, what really is the difference between the two parties? | ||
| I mean, what is the difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump? | ||
| And I think How is it even possible that this is the conversation we're having in 2024? | ||
| It's a remarkable thing, but I think you have to look at memory itself as on the ballot in our elections this fall. | ||
| Look, I'm really glad we're talking about this because I don't think we talk about Trumpism and race enough. | ||
| All of this nonsense that it's about some sort of economic stress. | ||
| Look, Trump's coalition is 85% white in a country that is becoming a minority-majority country. | ||
| And that is the underlying aspect of this. | ||
| Race has always been, I think, the original sin of the modern Republican Party. | ||
| We failed at that when I worked in the party. | ||
| You go back to Eisenhower, he got 39% of the black vote. | ||
| It fell to 7% with Goldwater. | ||
| Trump got 8%. | ||
| That's one point every 56 years. | ||
| But at least when I worked in the party, we admitted it was a failure. | ||
| I mean, Ken Millman, who was chairman of the party, went before the NAACP and apologized for the Southern Strategy. | ||
| And there were efforts to try to change this. | ||
| But really, the party failed. | ||
| The party failed at a policy level to ever put forth a program that appealed to more non-white Americans, particularly African-Americans. | ||
| And now it's become just a full embrace of racism that the Republican Party is. | ||
| And if you're for the Republican Party, this is what you are for. | ||
| This isn't a cafeteria. | ||
| You can't take from this and this and this. | ||
| You've got the whole buffet. | ||
| And this is what it is. | ||
| And you have to come to grips with that. | ||
| Listen, my take on where things are right now is kind of simple. | ||
| It's that Joe Biden is a good president. | ||
| The country is better off. | ||
| The Democratic Party is strong in winning elections all across the country. | ||
| And they have Trump, who's the ugliest political thing we've ever seen. | ||
| And I think that, you know, we have the ability as analysts to not just be guided by single polls. | ||
| There's a lot of other things we look at. | ||
| To determine the strength of a candidacy or the strength of a political party, money being raised, quality of the candidate, the strength of the arguments, the team, their track record, all those things. | ||
| Nicole, you know, you've been part of this. | ||
| And when I look at everything and put it all together, what I see in 2024 is that I would much rather be us than them seven months out, because Joe Biden, as I said, is going to have a strong record to run on. | ||
| And I just don't know how you make dress up Trump and make him look like a serious presidential candidate in 2024. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| It's Friday, 5 April, Year of the Lord 2024. | ||
| The meltdown you're hearing over at MSNBC, through the mainstream media, the Biden campaign, all of it is the fact that President Trump's polling numbers in the battleground states continue to improve. | ||
| You look at the crosstabs of all the quote-unquote coalition That Joe Biden has they continue to rapidly deteriorate and of course you had Susan Glasner up there of the formerly a Politico now one of the senior editors over at the New Yorker throwing her toys out of the pram this morning as they're in full meltdown about why Donald Trump continues to have such Incredible strength. | ||
| We're gonna break down the shows into a couple of component pieces. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody can get this on their schedule at six o'clock tonight because I need the time to do it. | ||
| To actually, because the six o'clock show gives us a little better clock as you guys know to work with. | ||
| E.J. | ||
| Antoni, Dave Brat and Dave Walsh will all join me as we break down the jobs numbers today, the economy, oil, what going to $90 a barrel, the grid, all of it. | ||
| And particularly why in the battleground states, they say the data is so good for Biden, but the votes are going the exact opposite direction. | ||
| So we'll do that. | ||
| Also going to have Jim Rickards here later to talk about Ukraine and geopolitics. | ||
| And Ambassador Rickard now is going to join us. | ||
| But I've got to start with some pressing, pressing news and issues, because the only thing they're going to stop Trump with, and they know this now, is lawfare. | ||
| Lawfare revolves around lawyers, and we're seeing a situation now that there's a war, absolute war, against anybody that will defend MAGA, anybody that will step up and defend the Trump movement, President Trump, all of it. | ||
| And it shows you a... Because, you know, the progressives control the legal profession, and they control the courts. | ||
| You've seen this with this fiasco in New York, the fiasco in Georgia, all of it. | ||
| Jeff Clark and John Eastman on the process of being disbarred. | ||
| I've got Josh Hammer here from Newsweek and Jeff Clark's lawyer Harry McDougal joins us. | ||
| Harry, first off, walk me through this kind of kangaroo quote. | ||
| What is exactly going on with Jeff Clark? | ||
| Because Jeff is one of the most brilliant legal minds we have on our side of the football and they clearly have targeted him to take him out so he cannot work with MAGA, that he can't work It can't be Attorney General, he can't be White House Counsel, when she's up for those roles. | ||
| Walk me through exactly what's going on with Jeff Clark. | ||
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So, the DC Bar filed a specification of charges against Jeff in the summer of 22, and we just concluded yesterday with an evidentiary hearing before a body that's referred to as a hearing committee. | |
| They will issue a report and recommendation that will go up to the Board of Professional Responsibility. | ||
| They will make a decision one way or the other, and then there's a right of appeal to the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. | ||
| But procedurally, this process looks like it came from the island of Dr. Moreau, because it's unlike any other sort of legal process. | ||
| Fundamentally, in legal proceedings, jurisdiction is a threshold question. | ||
| We have very strong fundamental jurisdictional challenges. | ||
| We have been told, well, we're going to do the hearing first, and then you'll decide jurisdiction later. | ||
| That's exactly backwards from the way it works. | ||
| And that's just one example of the procedural oddities and irregularities that operate to the prejudice of Jeff Clark or any lawyer who's caught up in this lawfare campaign against conservative lawyers. | ||
| Harry, keep it simple for us if you can, and particularly for myself because I'm not a lawyer. | ||
| What did Jeff Clark, what are they claiming? | ||
| What are they claiming at the bar level? | ||
| This is all lawyers. | ||
| This is not in a court. | ||
| But what are they claiming Jeff Clark did that would actually rise to the level of taking his license to practice away? | ||
| I think that's what confuses people. | ||
| What are they saying Jeff Clark actually did? | ||
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You're not the only person that's confused by that. | |
| I'm confused by that. | ||
| The specific charge laid is a violation of what's called Rule 8.4C, Attempted Dishonesty. | ||
| And 8.4D, Attempted Serious Interference with the Administration of Justice. | ||
| But that's just the window dressing for the real sin of Jeff Clark, which is that he is a heretic against the new secular religion in which questioning the election is prohibited. | ||
| And they actually, because I take it these bar associations or this whole thing, most of these lawyers are pretty left-wing, pretty progressive, and the panels that you argue in front of are pretty progressive? | ||
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I don't know the politics of the two lawyers on the panel. | |
| There's a lay member of the panel. | ||
| I believe that the disciplinary counsel's first job out of law school was on the Watergate Special Prosecution Force. | ||
| So where does this leave Clark today? | ||
| Have they given a recommendation? | ||
| Is he in limbo? | ||
| Do you think they'll actually end up taking his ability to practice in Washington D.C. | ||
| away in the district? | ||
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I surely hope not. | |
| So what they've done is they've made what they call a preliminary non-binding determination, which is an oxymoron, that there's at least one violation. | ||
| So which one of the two charges they think has been violated, I don't know. | ||
| They didn't say. | ||
| We have a process now where we have post-hearing briefings, and then they issue a report and recommendation, which could be quite a lengthy document. | ||
| Might take them quite a bit of time to put it together. | ||
| And then it goes to the board, and then it goes to the D.C. | ||
| Court of Appeals, and that whole process could take additional years before it's finally completed. | ||
| But certainly they are seeking disbarment, and they're seeking disbarment over a draft letter that never left the office, that nobody knew about until it was leaked to The New York Times after Joe Biden was president. | ||
| And that was characterized as the greatest threat to the Republic since the Civil War. | ||
| Harry, how can people find out more about this case? | ||
| How can they find out more about you? | ||
| I mean, people are outraged in our audience because Jeff Clark is a beloved figure. | ||
| And not just that, he's going to be a very important part of President Trump's second term. | ||
| And I understand that the mainstream media that watches is going to melt down on that, but he is. | ||
| That's just a fact. | ||
| So where can people go to find out more about this and more about this fight? | ||
| Because this is critical. | ||
| Jeff Clark's one of our starters and we can't lose him. | ||
| So where do people go? | ||
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Well, I would send them to Jeff's Place of Employment, which is the Center for Renewing America, or Jeff's social media feeds. | |
| I don't tweet much about the case because I could get in trouble for that. | ||
| So you won't find much on my Twitter feed about this case. | ||
| But Jeff's feed and the Center for Renewing America would probably be the best. | ||
| I don't think we have a single repository for information or argument about the case. | ||
| Maybe that's something we'll put up going forward because there are some serious fundamental issues that need to be aired out. | ||
| What are those fundamental issues? | ||
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Well, there's a serious separation of powers issue and a federal supremacy issue. | |
| It's our position that the DC bar does not get to Walk into the Oval Office while the President is consulting with his senior legal advisors and decide to punish one of them because they don't like the advice that he's giving. | ||
| That's up to the President of the United States. | ||
| President of the United States had no complaint about Mr. Clark's advice. | ||
| He decided against the recommendation, but he did not make a bar complaint. | ||
| The bar complaint was made by Richard Durbin, who is a partisan warrior, and then it was picked up by the D.C. | ||
| Bar. | ||
| There's never been a case in the history of bar discipline in the United States that we can find where a lawyer was disciplined over a draft document that never left the office. | ||
| Jeff Clark's the first. | ||
| The case never should have been brought. | ||
| And if this is the way we're going to operate, there is no end. | ||
| There's no end to it. | ||
| It's Pandora's box on steroids. | ||
| Harry, from our audience, I just want to say thank you so much for defending Jeff Clark. | ||
| This has to be done. | ||
| This is one of the major ways they're trying to take down the MAGA movement, America First, the deplorables, the Trump movement, all of it. | ||
| They're going after, it's lawfare, but they're going after the lawyers. | ||
| So we want to thank you for having the guts and courage and smarts and toughness to stand up and fight this. | ||
| I know it's quite hard. | ||
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Well, thank you very much. | |
| And I thank you for putting out the story. | ||
| It is an important story. | ||
| It's the explicit objective. | ||
| of the left to destroy any lawyer that was willing to challenge the election. | ||
| And I have a target on my back. | ||
| Hurt me too. | ||
| Yeah, we know. | ||
| We're going to cover you. | ||
| Harry McDougal, one of the Patriots, standing in the breach. | ||
| This is what courage is, folks. | ||
| And courage is contagious. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Josh Hammer is going to lay out the case of how the left is coming after the lawyers to destroy the Trump movement. | ||
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Next! | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Batt. | ||
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| The trend is your friend here. | ||
| Okay, Josh Hammer, and I want to give a shout out to Newsweek magazine and to Batya Unger-Sargon, who's one of the new editors over there, and what Josh Hammer did. | ||
| Newsweek, For being a major publication in the mainstream media, and obviously if you read most of the articles, they're not exactly loving on the MAGA movement or President Trump, but the op-ed section, the editorial section, has some of the most brilliant opinion by leaders of the MAGA movement, and it's quite brilliant. | ||
| Josh Hammer. | ||
| Josh, your piece today is about John Eastman, but it speaks to something larger, and this is why I wanted to start the show with this today. | ||
| And we've got another big example coming up in a minute, is that there's a war in the lawfare. | ||
| They understand they got to take out our kind of field grade officers. | ||
| They need to take out the best lawyers in MAGA, either disbar them or make sure no white shoe law firm will hire them or no corporate client will hire them. | ||
| They have to destroy the lawyers because the lawfare is not going to stop. | ||
| There's a bunch of articles up today, President Trump still pressing on the recusal of the judge up in New York. | ||
| I think that's pretty remote possibility of happening, but he's still hammering away at it. | ||
| But you see the lawfare last night, these decisions in Florida, what's happening in Georgia, what's happening in New York, what's happening in D.C. | ||
| Lawfare is their principal way to stop the MAGA movement, right? | ||
| Folks, it's obvious. | ||
| They can't sell their program. | ||
| They can't sell their program to their own constituents, their own coalition. | ||
| That's why it's coming apart and they're freaking out. | ||
| As you saw Susan Glasner in the open, the cold open of New Yorker on MSNBC this morning, they're freaked out that Trump's numbers are rising against the very policies that they're putting in place. | ||
| So they've got to go to lawfare. | ||
| Josh, how big an issue is this, sir? | ||
| Steve, this is, I mean, this is the issue. | ||
| This literally is the issue. | ||
| So the way that I look at it, there are It's basically a Venn diagram where you have one circle, which is the lawfare against Donald Trump. | ||
| Because as you said, Steve, that currently is their best shot to derail the Donald Trump campaign. | ||
| That is their best shot to ensure that Joe Biden is going to have a possible second term. | ||
| Then in the second circle, you have this broader war on the legal profession itself. | ||
| And the Venn diagram overlap, as far as I see it, really centers on two individuals, which is what I wrote my column about. | ||
| One of whom is Jeffrey Clark. | ||
| We just heard from his lawyer, the attorney McDougall. | ||
| And then the other, of course, is John Eastman. | ||
| John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark are the Venn diagram overlap of the lawfare against Donald Trump and the less broader war against the legal profession. | ||
| And we just heard a lot about Jeffrey Clark. | ||
| So I'll just talk a little bit about John Eastman and himself. | ||
| So first of all, I've known John personally for many years now. | ||
| I consider the man a friend. | ||
| I did the Claremont Institute legal fellowship with him about six years ago. | ||
| He oversaw that fellowship. | ||
| John is a legal scholar, Steve. | ||
| He was Dean of Chapman University School of Law for many years. | ||
| He clerked for Justice Thomas on the Supreme Court back in the day. | ||
| Ran for Attorney General of California. | ||
| He's published prolific academic articles on the Declaration of Independence, on birthright citizenship, and the 14th Amendment. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| The man is a top-notch lawyer. | ||
| And he took on a client after the 2020 election who happens to be unpopular in the eyes of the government, in the eyes of the ruling class, in the eyes of societal elites in general. | ||
| That client, of course, happens to be Donald Trump. | ||
| And for having the temerity, for having the chutzpah to advance certain constitutional arguments pertaining to the 12th Amendment and then the Electoral Count Act of 1887 as well, for having the temerity to advance certain legal arguments At an admittedly tense, high-profile moment to a high-profile client? | ||
| Steve, they have thrown this man through the ringer in every way possible. | ||
| They put spikes in his and his wife's driveway at their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. | ||
| They spray-painted, go-away insurrectionists in their neighborhood. | ||
| They've most recently debanked him from Bank of America and the USAA. | ||
| He had to retire from the law school where he was dean. | ||
| He had a visiting scholarship at the University of Colorado Boulder that was lost. | ||
| He's being prosecuted, along with Jeff Clark, by this far-left nutjob DA, Fonny Willis, down in Georgia. | ||
| And then, most recently, last week, you had this 128-page ruling from this crazy judge out in California in the state bar system out there, Judge Yvette Roland. | ||
| arguing why John Eastman should now be disbarred. | ||
| And all of this, Steve, it's really, the point you're making is sound. | ||
| It's really not just about Donald Trump and the modem. | ||
| It's very much about that. | ||
| But what they are doing, Steve, when it comes to John Eastman, Jeff Clark in particular, they're trying to send a message to all of us. | ||
| I went to University of Chicago Law School, the same law school that John Eastman went to. | ||
| They're trying to send a message to all of the right-of-center young lawyers and law students at the nation's top law schools. | ||
| Don't you dare think about going to represent Donald Trump or any other high-profile Republican. | ||
| Don't you dare, even so much as consider going to work in a future Republican Department of Justice. | ||
| Don't you dare think about that or else we're going to blacklist you, issue a scarlet letter, and try to excise you from the polite confines of public American life. | ||
| That is what is going on right now. | ||
| That is what is on the line. | ||
| And again, as a personal friend of John Eastman, you can hear my passion. | ||
| I'm livid about this situation. | ||
| It is disgusting Stalinist tactics, the likes of which I did not think I would ever see in this country. | ||
| No, he's one of the most revered, however you cut it, he's one of the most revered constitutional scholars in the country about the Constitution, number one. | ||
| Number two, the other aspect they're trying to do is make sure no white, true law firm, no major law firm will ever hire, will ever hire conservatives, will ever hire these young graduates, and that's going to just thwart people. | ||
| They're going to sit there and go, hey, I've spent, you know, Since I've been in kindergarten, I finished number one in my class so I could get to University of Chicago Law School, finish at the top of my class so I could really, you know, do my profession, clerk as, you know, be a Supreme Court clerk or federal judge clerk. | ||
| All of that, they're trying to suppress it. | ||
| They're trying to tell the best and the brightest. | ||
| If you back MAGA, if you back the deplorables, if you back Trump or the Trump movement, you're out. | ||
| You're permanently out. | ||
| You're de-lawyered. | ||
| They're going after the best and the brightest in the legal profession on our side of the football to send a message to those people coming up. | ||
| They're using Eastman and Clark. | ||
| And Clark's one of the most brilliant lawyers I've ever met. | ||
| They're focused on Clark and Eastman as examples to show people, if we can get these two guys, we can get you. | ||
| Am I wrong in that, brother? | ||
| No, you're not wrong at all. | ||
| And I'll give you just one other example. | ||
| So I was actually in Columbus, Ohio a few weeks ago. | ||
| I was doing a federal society, a legal event there with a good friend of mine. | ||
| He was actually even a groomsman at my wedding back in December. | ||
| A guy by the name of Elliot Geiser, who's the current Solicitor General of Ohio. | ||
| And, you know, this is all fairly public, so I'm not saying anything that's not already public. | ||
| When Elliott was first announced as the next Solicitor General of Ohio and the Solicitor General is the chief appellate lawyer in a given state, it's a pretty prominent and prestigious position. | ||
| When he was announced for that perch a few months ago, you had the left-leaning media in Ohio in particular that just flailed their arms up in the air and they were apoplectic. | ||
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Why? | |
| Why? | ||
| Oh, because Elliott volunteered after the 2020 election to be a lawyer helping the Donald Trump campaign in those moments. | ||
| He was in the room with John Eastman and folks like that. | ||
| They tried very hard to derail my friend Elliott from even getting the Solicitor General perch. | ||
| Thankfully, they were unsuccessful, and now Ohio is blessed to have a tremendous Solicitor General. | ||
| But what you said is emphatically correct, Steve. | ||
| I have heard so many anecdotal stories of friends who were in the Trump administration, in the DOJ, or perhaps they were a lawyer. | ||
| In a different agency, Department of Labor, HHS, any of them. | ||
| I have heard so many anecdotal stories of lawyers who then after the administration, after it was over and Biden took over and they want to go work at a white shoe law firm in DC, New York City, Chicago, anywhere else. | ||
| They couldn't do it. | ||
| They literally could not do it. | ||
| And this is just part and parcel of the broader institutional rot that we're seeing. | ||
| It's not just big law. | ||
| It's big tech. | ||
| It's big finance. | ||
| We're just seeing this ruling class mentality that cannot so much as endure people who don't necessarily think like them. | ||
| And they are trying to make it so that so much as working for a high-profile Republican, representing him as your legal client, or working in that DOJ, They're trying to make it so that move in and of itself is career suicide. | ||
| Again, that is what is on the line here. | ||
| It's not just about John Eastman. | ||
| It's not just about Jeffrey Clark. | ||
| But look, I genuinely pray that Jeffrey Clark and John Eastman are not this far, that they are not going to be found guilty in this sham prosecution down in Georgia because there's so much on the line, Steve. | ||
| We're going to fight hard on this. | ||
| Josh, where do people get you, your great pieces on Newsweek, your social media podcast, all of it? | ||
| Yeah, I'm on Twitter, Josh underscore Hammer. | ||
| Instagram, at Josh B. Hammer. | ||
| My syndicated column goes up at Newsweek and a bunch of other right-of-center publications. | ||
| Then I host two of my own shows as well, The Josh Hammer Show and America on Trial with Josh Hammer, which is our daily show that covers all the legal stuff. | ||
| The Hammer. | ||
| Josh Hammer, thank you so much. | ||
| Brilliant piece. | ||
| We're gonna make sure everybody gets it, Mo, and Grace will push it out. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| We're going to go to break with a very special spot. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
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Press always asks me, don't I wish I were debating him? | |
| No, I wish you were in high school. | ||
| I could take him behind the gym. | ||
| That's what I wish. | ||
| I should know. | ||
| I said, if we're in high school, I'd take you behind the gym and beat the hell out of them. | ||
| I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. | ||
| Maybe there will be. | ||
| You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about. | ||
| If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. | ||
| And you push back on them! | ||
| And you tell them they're not welcome! | ||
| You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there's unrest in our lives. | ||
| Enemies of the state. | ||
| Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. | ||
| President Walker, how do you resist the temptation to run up and wring her neck? | ||
| They go low, we kick them. | ||
| They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. | ||
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Yes! | |
| I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House. | ||
| Please, get up in the face of some Congress people. | ||
| This is a stupid show. | ||
| There's no place for political violence in America. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| That spot that we went out with was from the Trump campaign. | ||
| That's about the violence of the Democratic Party and how they're off the chain. | ||
| Yesterday in a federal court in Washington, D.C., a 71-year-old great-grandmother was found guilty of four misdemeanors, including parading on the Capitol grounds. | ||
| For that, she's going to be sentenced right now in mid-August up to three years in a federal prison and a $250,000 fine. | ||
| That great-grandmother from Colorado Springs, or near Colorado Springs, Colorado, joins us now, Rebecca Lovrenz. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Walk me through, why, what did you do? | ||
| This is what I'm very confused about, because I've read everything about it, all the court records. | ||
| What did you actually do, what are you actually charged with? | ||
| These misdemeanors, they don't, what do you, what did you do, what are you charged with? | ||
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Well, I'm charged with entering and remaining in a restricted building, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a capital building, and picketing and parading and demonstrating in a restricted building. | |
| And you were in, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you were in the Capitol, you walked into an open door, in this video of this, you walked into an open door and you were in the Capitol a total, was it nine minutes, eight minutes, nine minutes, something like that? | ||
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Ten minutes, yeah. | |
| Yes. | ||
| I went to the Capitol. | ||
| You walked through the Capitol of the Rotunda for ten minutes, through an open door, walked back out, and you were found guilty on four misdemeanors by a jury, a Washington, D.C. | ||
| jury. | ||
| You were found guilty, and the penalties for that are up to three years in a federal prison. | ||
| Am I correct in that? | ||
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That's what my attorney said. | |
| Yep. | ||
| I just reconfirmed it with my attorney, John Pierce and his firm. | ||
| They said that I thought it was less than that, but they said it could be up to three years according to all those, the charges that I was charged with for peacefully going into the Capitol. | ||
| I went there to pray. | ||
| You went to the Capitol to pray? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Of course I got involved because I love God, my country and my family. | ||
| And I knew that something wasn't right. | ||
| When that 2020 election and even before that, I just said, our country is going down with all the liberties that felt like they were stripped away from us in 2020. | ||
| I thought we've got to keep the President Trump in there because he's the only one fighting to keep our nation free. | ||
| And I knew that his heart was at the right place. | ||
| And I did whatever I could to campaign for him to get out the boat. | ||
| I got involved in my precinct and my local Republican Party, which is very, has a very strong grassroots Republican chairwoman and I got out, did whatever I could to campaign and get involved and got involved with another group that was really standing up for our freedoms and liberties. | ||
| And when the election turned out, when I woke up the next morning after watching it till they shut it down, I thought, oh, he's victorious. | ||
| I knew he had to have a landslide. | ||
| And then we saw all those fraudulent irregularities and I've been a Christian since I was a teenager. | ||
| I knew that I didn't make myself, I didn't create myself, but when I became a believer and as a teenager and I was only 14, I knew that my life was no longer my own and I decided to follow Jesus and Jesus said he's the way the truth. | ||
| So I've made it my lifelong mission to know Jesus and he's truth and so I've had a lifelong mission for I pray. | ||
| I've been a prayer warrior for all my life, but I'm also one that takes action. | ||
| To my faith. | ||
| And when my oldest son called me, he has four children and now he has a grandson, which makes me a great grandmother. | ||
| He called me on like the 1st of January and said, Mom, are you going to go to the rally? | ||
| And I said, well, I haven't thought about it. | ||
| I'll pray about it. | ||
| And it didn't take very long, but because I love truth that I knew I had to stand for truth and drive. | ||
| because I never, I had chosen not to fall, to let my, to wear masks so if they were going to restrict me from flying I knew I had to drive so I drove the whole way, fasted, didn't eat anything, prayed, went out there just strictly to pray all by myself on my own accord, not involved with anyone else and prayed at the Capitol and prayed the outside. | ||
| There was a prayer platform, ended up being able to pray the 1620 Mayflower Compact that says, this country will give glory to God and advance the Christian faith, and that's our 1620, over 400 year document that says that's what this country is founded on. | ||
| And if you're going to strip away all my liberties to... She froze. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's try to unfreeze her. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Am I on again? | ||
| Continue on. | ||
| Continue on. | ||
| Yeah, you're on. | ||
| Continue on. | ||
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Hello? | |
| Okay. | ||
| Am I still on? | ||
| You are, ma'am. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just continue on. | ||
| Okay, she froze again. | ||
| Let's get it rebooted. | ||
| I want to bring in Rahim. | ||
| Here's the central thing. | ||
| You had a great-grandmother. | ||
| Her son said, hey, if you think about going to the rally with President Trump on the Ellipse and all that, she prayed about it. | ||
| Because she didn't believe in the mask and wear the mask, she took off from Colorado Springs, Colorado and drove for two days. | ||
| I think she stopped in St. | ||
| Louis. | ||
| She went to the J6 event, and what she did is she prayed. | ||
| She went to pray, by herself, not with a big group, by herself. | ||
| Prayed, then, and it's all on video, through an open door in the Capitol, she walked in, she was there for, I think, nine minutes, she says ten minutes. | ||
| Ten minutes, and she was in the, walked through the rotunda, walked out, prayed, and walked out. | ||
| For that, Merrick Garland and Joe Biden's DOJ charged her with four misdemeanors, parading on Capitol grounds, parading on Capitol grounds. | ||
| And she was protesting and parading on Capitol grounds, which as Rahim can tell you, because we live in that Capitol Hill neighborhood, happens every day. | ||
| She was found guilty and she will serve up to three years in a federal prison as a 71-year-old great-grandmother. | ||
| Now Rahim, here's what's quite interesting about this. | ||
| Every day MSNBC and people, a very tiny part of the audience says, hey, do you have to play the MSNBC stuff? | ||
| Yes, we do. | ||
| If it's too much for you, I got it. | ||
| There are other shows, but we're going to continue to play it because this is information war. | ||
| It's one of the major parts of this conflict we have is the information war. | ||
| You have to know how your enemy's shaping the narrative. | ||
| Now, Rahim, what is quite interesting is that no mainstream media, no MSNBC, no CNN, none of it, That spiked the football every day when a J6 person is found guilty. | ||
| Not one peep. | ||
| They know they jumped the shark on this. | ||
| They understand how outrageous this is. | ||
| And they understand how Rebecca Loverins can be a rally point for everybody who said, we've had a belly full of this now. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| They are political prisoners and they are hostages. | ||
| And I point to a great-grandmother who turned her life over to Christ. | ||
| decades ago that went to the Capitol by herself to pray. | ||
| To pray in the United States of America at the Capitol. | ||
| And for that, she's sentenced to up to three years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine. | ||
| Raheem Kassam, your thoughts, analysis, and observations, sir? | ||
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Yeah, thanks, Steve. | |
| It's obviously a major, major travesty of justice that we're seeing. | ||
| But much like many of the other Jan 6 cases that simply do not get as much detailed attention as they should be getting now. | ||
| You know, we've been paying attention to Rebecca Laverne's case. | ||
| For a while now, going through it with a fine-tooth comb, I've been through the video of her in the Capitol, like you say, no more than 10 minutes, standing in the Capitol, walked through an open door, was even chatting with a police officer as she walked into the Capitol, in video that we will put up at the National Pulse later on today, so that people can see for themselves and judge for themselves. | ||
| But this goes back to Josh Hammer's point. | ||
| It goes back to the point you've been making since the beginning of the show. | ||
| If this were a political campaign versus a political campaign, it would be over already. | ||
| I think most people are aware of that. | ||
| Most people recognize that. | ||
| Most people know that in their hearts. | ||
| That's why this is not a political campaign versus a political campaign in America in 2024. | ||
| This is a political campaign, a legal campaign, a lawfare campaign, a cultural campaign, an intersectional campaign, a media campaign, all against a political movement. | ||
| And it brings to mind that phrase that President Trump brings up every rally and almost every interview, right? | ||
| He says, they're not after me, they're after you, I'm just in the way. | ||
| Well, if Rebecca Laverne's isn't the most critical example of that quote, then I don't know what is. | ||
| Because this is the regime, this is the state, this is your country, persecuting a great-grandmother, by the way, not just a grandmother, a great-grandmother. | ||
| 71 years old, who walked into a building, by the way, you say, you say correctly, you know, we know this neighborhood very well. | ||
| I've lived here for nearly 10 years now. | ||
| I walk inside the Capitol all the time. | ||
| It's usually open to the public. | ||
| When Rebecca Loverins walked in there, the policemen had their backs to the doors holding them open and she chatted with one of them on her way in. | ||
| And yet what you see here is them, as much as they possibly can, throwing the book at her. | ||
| This is the maximum number of charges that she could have faced, and it's the maximum number of guilty verdicts that she could have faced. | ||
| The sentencing is on August the 12th, and in sentencing she faces up to three years in jail, as well as up to $250,000 in fines. | ||
| That's why her lawyers at the NCLU, John Pierce, they have a crowd funder, we've got a link to it in the National Pulse story, where people can go to GiveSendGo and contribute to the legal costs of actually pushing back against this. | ||
| And the other thing that a lot of people don't realize, Steve, is that when the GiveSendGo's are in the names of the actual people who are facing the charges, america on a job by the studio j tries to seize those funds to stop the rep being able to represent themselves to stop them having effective legal representation so that's why the ncl you this is a campaign in the ncl you know lawyers uh... names so that those funds can't be season they can actually go | ||
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towards representing her legally so i think there is something like forty five thousand dollars now they're looking to get a hundred thousand dollars here and uh... | |
| obviously we broke the story of the national polls this morning per rebecca lovins a statement uh... that she will be rightly appealing this work this verdict that talk to me about the mainstream media doesn't want to touch this right now now. | ||
| They know they've jumped the shark, right? | ||
| And I'm going to get the names of the prosecutors. | ||
| We got to make the prosecutors in this case famous. | ||
| We have to make Garland and all these people famous. | ||
| And people talk about the administrative state, what we're going to do with the deep state administrative state. | ||
| We're going to purge all this upon taking power. | ||
| These people are evil. | ||
| They're evil to prosecute a great-grandmother for going into our nation's capital to pray. | ||
| You know one of the reasons? | ||
| They hate religion. | ||
| And they particularly hate Christianity. | ||
| And that's why they're after a 71-year-old great-grandmother and want to put her in prison for up to three years and a $250,000 fine. | ||
| And like you said, Garland will come in and grab even the funds that people try to put together to protect her. | ||
| They'll jump in and try to get that to take it for the fine. | ||
| This is pure evil, and that's why they didn't spike the football last night on CNN and MSNBC. | ||
| They understand that this is what we call jumping the shark, and she's going to be a rally point for people to say, hey, guess what? | ||
| Trump is right. | ||
| When he stands up there and says they're political prisoners and they're hostages, he's 1,000% correct. | ||
| Raheem Kassam. | ||
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Look, the day after President Trump gave his announcement speech at Mar-a-Lago, I did a bunch of media and I said, look, what's very clear here is that this is not a political battle that people are facing here. | |
| This is a spiritual battle that people are facing here. | ||
| And that was the reason, I think, in my heart, with my political analyst hat on and with my With my spiritual hat on. | ||
| That is why when President Trump said in that speech, he usually does, make America strong again, make America safe again, make America great again, and in that speech he added make America Glorious, again. | ||
| And I said it at the time, and I've said it many times since. | ||
| There is a difference between glory and greatness. | ||
| And the difference is spirituality. | ||
| The difference is the fight between good and evil, right? | ||
| And so that is what this is all about. | ||
| Of course, you're absolutely correct. | ||
| I'll reiterate it, not that it needs it. | ||
| They don't want to put Rebecca Laverne's case up on CNN. | ||
| They don't want to put it up on MSNBC. | ||
| I'd be very surprised if even Fox News put it up. | ||
| All these other, you know, corrupt cable news networks, because this is the epitome. | ||
| It's the epitome of the overreach of the state, of the evil of the state. | ||
| And it kind of, in a sense, has the ability to turn the entire Jan 6 narrative on its head. | ||
| If Rebecca Lavender is on TV every single day from now until the election somewhere, on the radio somewhere, that's off the table. | ||
| Jan 6 is off the table. | ||
| Raheem, hang on for one second. | ||
| We'll try to get Rebecca back up to you. | ||
| Okay, War Impostor, we need you at the Ramparts. | ||
| Next week's going to heat up the Ukraine situation. | ||
| Harnwell's going to join us at 6 o'clock. | ||
| MTG's going to be with us on Monday. | ||
| This is going to be a huge fight. | ||
| So we need you on the Ramparts, your attention not diverted, particularly on things like your home title. | ||
| You can't let cyber combined with AI get into your title and take out a second mortgage from a hard money lender. | ||
| You cannot allow that to happen. | ||
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| Also Jace Medical. | ||
| Dr. Sean and the team took the Rosemary Gibson book. | ||
| We first used to have Rosemary Gibson at the beginning of the pandemic. | ||
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| Rebecca, we have Rebecca back up with a little technical mastery of our guys in Denver and our team here. | ||
| Rebecca, what did God tell you when you prayed to God in Colorado Springs after your son called you? | ||
| And you prayed before you went? | ||
| What did God tell you? | ||
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He just told me, you need to go and stand up for your country, you know, and stand for truth. | |
| I've just been always a lover of truth, so I just couldn't sit back. | ||
| That's basically what it said and then as I got there I realized the main reason I was there to stand up for my covenant. | ||
| I'm a very strong believer in covenants and covenants with God are a higher authority than what the government is maybe saying and so I know that my battle is not against flesh and blood but it's against against spiritual principalities and powers, and they always win. | ||
| One of my lifelong verses is John 10 in the Bible, and it says, ìThe thief comes to kill, streal, and destroy, but Jesus came to give life abundantly.î And I want to live my life abundantly, and so I had to do whatever I could. | ||
| So Iím always about the original intent of something. | ||
| My dad was a government teacher and history teacher and also was a coach, and so he taught me that as aÖ You know, when I was in high school 50-some years ago, the role of the government, it's only limited for fans of our country and roads, are the only things I can remember. | ||
| It wasn't all this infringement in every part of our life. | ||
| And Jesus said He came to give us liberty, and He said He came to set us free, and I can't live my life out on my five acres and have chickens. | ||
| I live my life and I've got to fight for that. | ||
| You know, evil is going to prevail if we don't, if good men do nothing. | ||
| And so I just felt like God said, you need to go. | ||
| And he actually, I think you said what he said. | ||
| I just remember I looked over, I spent a lot of time journaling, you know, so I can know I'm hearing God. | ||
| And when I remember the thing that he, That he said is, Rebecca, this is going to be an adventure for you. | ||
| And I know you want to live long, and you're going to enjoy your life a lot longer if you go on this trip with me. | ||
| And I'll be sitting in the passenger seat with you all the way. | ||
| And I was excited to go and stand up for what I thought was a republic of we the people. | ||
| And I feel like God chose me. | ||
| I felt like God chose me. | ||
| You've just been found guilty in a federal court on four misdemeanors up to three years in prison. | ||
| Would your father be proud of you today if he was here? | ||
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Oh, yes. | |
| He definitely would have been. | ||
| I know he would have been. | ||
| He stood for truth all the way. | ||
| So did my mom. | ||
| They taught me to stand for truth. | ||
| And that's the way I was brought in. | ||
| It was just part of my DNA. | ||
| And I know my Heavenly Father's proud of me, too, because I obeyed him to follow him and do what he was asking me to do. | ||
| If he wouldn't have told me, if he would have said, don't go, I wouldn't have gone because I was a bigger purpose. | ||
| And as I said, it's like God, country, and my family. | ||
| And I knew that my country was in really big trouble. | ||
| You know, if we're going to have socialism, Marxism, communism, and take God out of everything, killing babies in the womb and those kind of things, then we don't, we're living in a godless society and that's not what our country is founded on. | ||
| And I believe God wants to make our country, I know Josh said before, glorious. | ||
| And I've got a new maggot slogan, it's make America godly again. | ||
| Because even before the 1620 Mayflower Covenant, there was a 1607 Covenant that Robert Hunt established when he came and landed at Cape Henry, outside of Virginia Beach, and he said that he declared, put a cross on the part of that island that jutted out, the furthest part of the ocean that first landed. | ||
| He set up a cross along with 144 men and boys, and he declared that this country would be, I believe, glory to God. | ||
| And it would advance the Christian faith and it would be evangelist to the world. | ||
| But he also said that it would be a godly nation and a godly nation for generations to come. | ||
| And I think that's what I feel that God wants to help me restore. | ||
| Many people say that the January 6 people, people broke. | ||
| We, we, we made the breach, but actually the breach was already made when we broke that covenant that this would be a country that put God first. | ||
| And so I feel Isaiah 58, 12 says that we are called to be repairers of the breach and by me going there to pray peaceably, I believe I was, I'm part of that calling along with a lot of other people that God's going to call up to repair the breach that's already been broken and a restorer of streets to dwell in. | ||
| Rebecca, where can people get more information? | ||
| Do you have a website, social media? | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
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I have a website called Restoring Godly Culture. | |
| and dot com. You can go to that. There's a donate tab on there we can give to my fund. | ||
| And my biggest thing now I felt like when I got that conviction that first of all, I went there thinking that to win there, you got it. Praying grandma gets arrested. | ||
| But I felt like I always you talk about sports and I grew up in a family where my dad was a coach. My husband was a coach. My boys played college baseball. My girls played every sport, baseball, softball, basketball, and you always have certain rules. And I felt like Like, Of course, we're in the United States of America. | ||
| I play by certain rules and I always go, even if I think I'm going to lose, and I knew that it wasn't going to be a very fair trial, I didn't believe, but I always go into something thinking I'm going to win. | ||
| But even if we don't win, And I thought I might win because they deliberated the jury for three full days and a little bit more. | ||
| And I thought, you know, there could be a chance I could win. | ||
| You know, I'm not going to quit. | ||
| But anyway, I ended up knowing that, you know, sometimes you have to lose a battle, but you win the war. | ||
| I think you are winning, Rebecca. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| Look forward to having you back. | ||
| We'll send everybody to the site. |
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