March 9, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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| And so I come back to you, Michael Beschloss, because I can't find an analog for it, right? | ||
| I mean, we've had presidents who were venal. | ||
| We've had presidents who were not super bright. | ||
| We've had all kinds of types of presidents. | ||
| We haven't had this type. | ||
| And this type is a Victor Orban who wants to literally do what Victor Orban did, come back into office after having lost re-election and then rewrite the Constitution with the help of his Project 2025 friends. | ||
| They've already got the playbook down. | ||
| They want to follow Victor Orban's model, you know, change things about our laws and our Constitution and our judiciary so that he'll never lose again. | ||
| And he wants to do that because he's afraid of going to prison and because he's a child and because he's a narcissist and because he can't admit he lost an election. | ||
| But people are willing to let him do it and I wonder if there's an analog for that anywhere in our history. | ||
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The sad thing is there really isn't, Joy. | |
| And Tom, you know, can we think of a major party nominee who's ever talked this way about being a dictator for a day or pitting the police and the U.S. | ||
| armed forces against this guy's political enemies or suspending the Constitution? | ||
| This is way off of anything we've seen in American history. | ||
| And Tom, you were talking about the TV show he was on for over a decade, which a lot of people saw for a lot of time. | ||
| That was a popular show. | ||
| It had a romanticized view of Donald Trump. | ||
| Tough, effective businessman with a heart of gold. | ||
| None of those things were true, but for people who were watching that week after week for over a decade, they were brainwashed to some extent, some of them were, in a way that we are still suffering from. | ||
| So all I'm saying is that it's the job of the three of us and people who feel as we do to make sure that the real issues this year are discussed. | ||
| And that is, do you Americans want a dictatorship and give away your rights? | ||
| No, Americans don't. | ||
| Do you want to agree with these crazy policy positions that we were just alluding to? | ||
| The polls say that that isn't the case either. | ||
| So if Donald Trump wins this year, it's going to be because our system did not work. | ||
| Let's all make it work. | ||
| Joe Biden and the Democrats do really want to lean into democracy because of January 6th, because Donald Trump tried to subvert the Constitution. | ||
| He tried to stage an actual coup, you know, didn't engage in the peaceful transfer of power. | ||
| But the fact is, voters, the word democracy doesn't land clearly with them. | ||
| What does, though, is extremism. | ||
| What does is freedom. | ||
| And it's interesting, you know, in 2022, when Democrats overperformed, there were a lot of questions about why did Democrats overperform, because expectations were really low for them. | ||
| And it wasn't democracy, and it wasn't just Dobbs. | ||
| It was actually the question of extremism. | ||
| So take Blake Masters. | ||
| The way voters would talk about him is they would say, You know, he says the election was stolen, he has really extreme views on abortion, and he's friends with the Unabomber. | ||
| Or he thinks the Unabomber is good. | ||
| He wasn't friends with it. | ||
| He thought it was good. | ||
| And that's the way voters would sort of wrap up this idea of these candidates are just too extreme. | ||
| And that's sort of how they feel about Donald Trump. | ||
| They don't think he's going to be a dictator. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They don't think he's going to overturn the Constitution exactly. | ||
| But they do think that he is a jerk. | ||
| They do think that he sows chaos. | ||
| They do think he is irrational and can't be trusted. | ||
| And so I think that I think that Democrats just need to understand. | ||
| And Eugene just said this, and this is really true. | ||
| Democracy doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. | ||
| In fact, democracy is starting to get a little bit polarized as a word. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Republicans say that Democrats cheated in 2020, and that's why they're a threat to democracy. | ||
| The same way Democrats say Republicans are a threat to democracy because they lied about the election being stolen and then attacked the Capitol. | ||
| And so it's getting a little bit polarized. | ||
| And so it really is, it's okay to have democracy as your North star and to say, this is the thing I'm protecting. | ||
| That's good for Joe Biden to hold at his core, but he needs to talk about it in ways that sort of connect with voters in terms of freedom and understanding how the Dobbs decision and democracy maybe relate to one another. | ||
| And I think he's doing that. | ||
| I think that they... | ||
| I think they do understand this and I think they just have to make sure that they connect with voters in a way that doesn't sound like it was sort of teased out in the faculty lounge of a university and does connect with sort of people's lives. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| if that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host Stephen K. Babb. | |
| It's Saturday, 9 March in the year of our Lord 2024. | ||
| 2.40 in a wake-up to game day. | ||
| And of course, they're bobbing and weaving. | ||
| They, you know, they are all about this audience. | ||
| The war on posse, MAGA, the deplorables, the America First movement being the drivers of anarchy and chaos and anti-democratic forces. | ||
| Obviously, nothing can be further from the truth. | ||
| When you look at them, remember back with Nancy Pelosi, when President Trump finished the State of the Union, she tore up the speech. | ||
| A Speaker of the House, she tore up the speech. | ||
| And I don't think she was hammered as much as she should have because most of the conservative media at that time really didn't have President Trump's back. | ||
| Got worse later when he left the White House after it was stolen. | ||
| But she tore up the State of the Union. | ||
| Who's ever done that? | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| She sat there and mocked with her big smile on her crocodile, you know, You know, laughing and mocking Trump. | ||
| Has that ever happened? | ||
| Ever happening before the Civil War? | ||
| Now back then it wasn't, you didn't come and have an event. | ||
| They read it. | ||
| But did the Southern delegation go up there and rip it up? | ||
| Or the Northern delegation, not liking something Buchanan said, go rip it up? | ||
| Think about that for a second. | ||
| And then this was a pep rally. | ||
| We had Senator Tuberville on yesterday. | ||
| It was a pep rally. | ||
| It was a, uh, you know, cause Biden can't have rallies the size of President Trump because nobody cares. | ||
| They got to buy these votes. | ||
| It was a disgrace. | ||
| As institutionally, it was a disgrace. | ||
| It was a full on political, the state of the union is supposed to rise above politics and talk about the country. | ||
| So remember they will, they will break any norm. | ||
| They'll break any law. | ||
| She just said the quiet part out loud right there. | ||
| She says, well, you know, in democracy, there's a lot of Trump people think he stole, you know, the Biden stole the election. | ||
| No, we don't think it. | ||
| We know it. | ||
| And we've hammered it. | ||
| And that's why, what, two thirds of the voters in South Carolina are Republican voters. | ||
| And now you had that chart up on MSNBC the other day, you know, 60% of Republican voters in California. | ||
| I think 40% of independents. | ||
| And that's really the proxy for the American people. | ||
| And that's a massive number, 4-0, massive number. | ||
| Because even Lincoln, I mean, we went to civil war because it's not that they didn't think Lincoln was legitimate. | ||
| They knew he had, although a minority president, only won like, I think 40% of the vote, had won the electoral college, was going to have a term. | ||
| And that's where they punched out. | ||
| So these people will break anything, do anything. | ||
| And we have to watch what she said right there. | ||
| Yeah, you know, people think he stole the election. | ||
| He did steal the election. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| And you keep hammering that over and over and say, we got to talk about the future. | ||
| Trump talks about the future every day. | ||
| We talk about the future. | ||
| Who does a better job of going through the financial abyss we're about to go over than this show and this audience? | ||
| Who talks about, you know, having to get zero money to Ukraine? | ||
| Because they're not putting more money in there. | ||
| And they're not going to put any more, you know, it's a hard no. | ||
| So, yes, elections. | ||
| Elections are not about the future. | ||
| Elections are about the lived experience of people today and how they think about the future. | ||
| But it pivots off, it's founded on, its foundational element is the lived experience of the nation. | ||
| Because that is reality. | ||
| That is not, you know, spin and just like Biden the other day. | ||
| This jobs report the other day. | ||
| Americans, American citizens are not getting jobs. | ||
| All the jobs are going to farm born workers or illegal immigrant invaders, illegal alien invaders. | ||
| As Powell and those guys said it was going to. | ||
| So the narrative here is very, you know, very, very distinct and bold. | ||
| It's either one side or the other. | ||
| I keep saying it's not going to be any compromise. | ||
| It shouldn't be a compromise. | ||
| The only time we continue to lose is when you get Johnson and these guys in the House and the Senate and we get plenty of time to, uh, to, to, um, turf them out. | ||
| In fact, we're going to have a candidate up here in a while. | ||
| You get plenty of time in some of these primaries to turf them out. | ||
| We got to roll. | ||
| It's 2.40 in a wake up. | ||
| It's upon us. | ||
| It's here. | ||
| There's a lot going on in this regard. | ||
| I want to get, is Kash Patel, Kash, join us. | ||
| Before I go back and play the clip of you on our show talking about this, tee up what has happened over the last 24, 48 hours. | ||
| A major development here. | ||
| I just want to make sure we reset for the audience and I'll play your clip. | ||
| Yeah, look, Steve, the genesis of the mainstream media's Get Trump narrative has been insurrection in court and insurrection in the public media view to kneecap Donald Trump. | ||
| What just happened is Molly Hemingway's great reporting broke a critical piece of evidence that destroys the insurrection narrative. | ||
| The January 6th committee withheld and suppressed A transcript from a senior Secret Service officer that completely corroborates what we have said on your show and what we have been saying for years. | ||
| Me, the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and so many other officials, that days before January 6th, Donald Trump authorized 10,000 National Guardsmen and women. | ||
| Multiple people testified to that, including me, in front of committees and grand juries under oath. | ||
| But the mainstream media hit it, and the committee suppressed Tony Ornato's transcript. | ||
| And it just came out, thanks to Molly Hemingway, corroborating everything we've been saying. | ||
| Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff buried this exculpatory evidence of Donald Trump. | ||
| Okay, hang on for a second. | ||
| Tell us who this guy is. | ||
| Why is this exculpatory evidence? | ||
| I'll get into the burying in a second. | ||
| I want to set it for exactly what went on. | ||
| I'll go back to Chris Miller, yourself, you were Chief of Staff, Interim Chief of Staff over at the Pentagon. | ||
| Miller was the Interim Secretary of Defense. | ||
| I want to go back and reset exactly what happened, the facts, and then we'll talk about how they buried. | ||
| What they said first is a lie, and then how they buried the truth. | ||
| So tell me exactly what happened here. | ||
| So Tony Ornato, a career Secret Service officer, a political figure, was employed at the White House as a senior security official, as we say, seconded from the Secret Service. | ||
| He was in charge of presidential protection. | ||
| He was there in the White House on January 6th, on January 5th, on January 4th. | ||
| And in this interview, which he gave to the January 6th committee two years ago, Steve, Two years ago, he stated, and everybody should read this interview for themselves, repeatedly, that himself and Chief of Staff Mark Meadows had multiple conversations that day talking about when President Trump, days before, had authorized the National Guard, up to 10 and 20,000. | ||
| He stated that to the committee under oath. | ||
| And they buried his transcript from public release because it would corroborate... Slow down, slow down, slow down, slow down. | ||
| I don't want to talk about the burying it. | ||
| I want to get the facts out. | ||
| When you say he verified, when he said he verified, you know, I should be the lawyer and you should play the investment banker here. | ||
| When he said he verified the 10,000, how does he know, what position was he in to verify what you and Miller and President Trump said? | ||
| So me and Miller and all the DOD officials were at the Pentagon on January 6. | ||
| Tony Arnotto and Chief of Staff Meadows were in the White House. | ||
| But two days before that, all of us were at the White House in the Oval Office. | ||
| And we were talking about a national security project, and that's when President Trump said, I'm authorizing up to 10 to 20,000 National Guardsmen and Women, with Chief of Staff Meadows in the room. | ||
| Chief of Staff Meadows, number one guy for presidential security, Tony Ornato, sits outside the Oval Office, in a real office, not a Cassidy Hutchinson office. | ||
| And Ornato communicated with Meadows immediately about President Trump's statement Authorizing 10 to 20,000 National Guards men and women. | ||
| This is an apolitical career Secret Service senior officer. | ||
| This guy has nothing to do with politics. | ||
| He provided this testimony, critical testimony, to the January 6th Committee two years ago. | ||
| And the January 4th, that would be Sunday for January 2020, correct? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
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Can't remember off the top of my head. | |
| Were you in the room? | ||
| The Acting Secretary of Defense was there. | ||
| Were you in the room? | ||
| Me, the President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Chief of Staff to the President of the United States and probably one other person were all in the Oval Office when the President said it. | ||
| And the reason this is critical is because Chief of Staff Meadows goes out of the Oval and has an immediate conversation with Tony Arnado about the authorization of National Guard. | ||
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That's what Tony just said. | |
| We'll be right. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| We'll be back in a minute. | ||
| Cash Patel. | ||
| Cash, you were on the National Security Council for President Trump. | ||
| You were really his assistant for counterterrorism. | ||
| You're a guy that really was Devin Nunes' guy for years on the Intelligence Committee. | ||
| You went over to the Pentagon. | ||
| You were the chief of staff at the end. | ||
| I gotta ask you, knowing President Trump and knowing what happened in those days, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't he actually ask for, I saw Pelosi and I think it was Cheney, Lighten up President Trump this week. | ||
| Did President Trump not make a request for actually have troops, given his concern about everything, how heated it was in the run-up to January 6th? | ||
| Yeah, Steve, it's great to be with you. | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| So yeah, look, as Chief of Staff, you know how the military works. | ||
| It is unconstitutional for any president to order the deployment of the military domestically. | ||
| The laws Posse Comitatus. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| The President can make an authorization, then there has to be a request. | ||
| January 3rd or 4th, we're in the Oval Office. | ||
| Me, the SecDef, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the President and Chief of Staff of the United States. | ||
| President Trump authorized up to 20,000 National Guards for across the country, not just D.C., for events related to January 6th. | ||
| We said, Roger that, sir. | ||
| That activated the chain of command. | ||
| We went to Nancy Pelosi and Mayor Bowser since it's D.C. | ||
| There has to be, under the law, a local government must request it. | ||
| We went to her in person two days earlier. | ||
| She said no in writing. | ||
| I have Mayor Bowser's letter where she refused the additional support of the National Guard. | ||
| The Capitol Police's memorandum, who report to Nancy Pelosi, that's also public now. | ||
| They went, the Chief of Police went to them and they said no, no National Guard. | ||
| So President Trump could not do anything else on January 6th until those requests came in. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| You're telling me you were in the Oval Office. | ||
| Miller was DoD at the time, interim DoD. | ||
| Yourself, you were Chief of Staff over there. | ||
| He actually made an authorization, of course, because it's got to go out the way Posse Comitatus works. | ||
| A local authority has to sign it and okay it. | ||
| You sent that out for the deployment of 20,000, was it? | ||
| Um, Nash. Okay. We're going to cut in because, okay, that is from hang on. | ||
| That is from July of 2020. | ||
| This is why you watch War Room. | ||
| God bless Molly Hemingway, and she does great work, and she's got the Secret Service agent now. | ||
| But that was almost two years ago, a year and a half ago, in Dallas at CPAC Texas, CPAC Dallas. | ||
| We had Cash Patel. | ||
| Cash, here's what I don't get, and help the audience out here. | ||
| The testimony of Chris Miller, and in Chris Miller's book, he's Secretary of Defense. | ||
| Chris Miller, in his book, talks about this, and it's in his testimony. | ||
| Correct? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Okay, now, hang on. | ||
| Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testifies to this. | ||
| Correct? | ||
| Yes, he does. | ||
| Kash Patel, the Chief of Staff of the Department of Defense, testifies to this. | ||
| Correct? | ||
| Yes, multiple times under oath, committees and grand juries. | ||
| Grand juries. | ||
| I have not checked Meadows. | ||
| I haven't checked Meadows for this part. | ||
| The others I have. | ||
| Did Meadows testify also to this fact in his testimony? | ||
| I believe so, but I haven't checked his transcript in a while. | ||
| Okay, so why is you have three officials there Two of them, you could argue, oh, these are partisan hacks and Kash Patel's crazy, so let's set those aside. | ||
| But Milley is a known Trump hater, was working with the media at the time, worked with the J6, was a friendly witness to J6, right? | ||
| Why is the Secret Service guy who's in the anteroom who gets told by Meadows immediately, why is this such a big deal? | ||
| Because the media never covered Mark Milley's testimony accurately. | ||
| Mark Milley had to testify to the truth because he was there when we moved the National Guard in the United States military. | ||
| He was part of that process. | ||
| And so he could not obfuscate or dodge the truth, but the media could bury it, which they did. | ||
| And they just said Mark Milley was the one saving the country that day and talking about his ring of steel and how bad Donald Trump is. | ||
| He gave them all the ammunition they needed. | ||
| So no one actually went and read his transcript and the memorandums from the Department of Defense, including the timeline he signed and put out confirming all of this. | ||
| And so they have Now a new official—well, not new, but a new transcript that the Jan 6th Committee withheld and suppressed from the American public. | ||
| Tony Ornato's testimony clearly shows, clearly shows Donald Trump could not have committed any insurrection because he preemptively, 48 hours before January 6, authorized 10,000 to 20,000 National Guard men and women. | ||
| That shows in one sentence Donald Trump's complete exoneration. | ||
| Of any insurrection charge, narrative, or what have you, in court or in the public opinion. | ||
| And that is why the Jan 6th Committee suppressed Tony Ornato's transcript, because it sets Donald Trump free. | ||
| Okay, so help me out here because I still don't understand. | ||
| We just had to go to the Supreme Court and have an historic nine to nothing decision about the Colorado situation and other states. | ||
| In Colorado, they essentially took, not essentially, they took the J6 committee report and people know that I have a big problem with that legally, right, the J6 committee, but they took the J6 committee report and just put it in as whole cloth As their justification that he was an insurrectionist. | ||
| So how could this, how could we be this far down the road and Trump's lawyers and legal team not all over this, this, this crucial piece of evidence, which was Trump 48 hours beforehand on a Sunday afternoon. | ||
| in the Oval Office directly authorizing the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Chief of Staff of both the White House and the Chief of Staff of the Pentagon, four of them, to authorize up to 20,000 troops throughout the country, with 10,000 in Washington, D.C., to make sure nothing happened. | ||
| So the President's team had what was publicly available. | ||
| What the President's, my transcript, the SECDEF transcript, the timelines, everything we've put out, Bowser's letter, Capitol Police statement and timeline, rejection of the National Guard, those are all public. | ||
| But what was withheld, the exculpatory piece of evidence that was withheld from the public that no one had till Molly Hemingway found it and forced it out, was Tony Ornato's transcript corroborating this entire series of events that we've been putting out for two, three plus years now. | ||
| And that's why they didn't have it. | ||
| Also, the Colorado Supreme Court case where I was a lead witness for President Trump, that judge, just like the January 6th Committee, suppressed evidence of innocence and exculpatory information. | ||
| They didn't put in all the material you and I have been talking about because they did not want that in the record. | ||
| They excluded critical components of testimony that showed President Trump authorized 10 to 20,000 National Guard, and no one had this Tony Ornato transcript. | ||
| Otherwise it should and would have been put in by Trump's legal team in the record. | ||
| And I think the committee that Loudermilk is running right now is going to put out even more stuff next week. | ||
| This is just the beginning and this is the highlight to show people, voters, that the government interfered. | ||
| You know, God bless Loudermuck, and he's doing a good job, but he's a backbencher. | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| I mean, this is why Johnson and McCarthy should have reauthorized this committee. | ||
| Let the Democrats, let little Jamie Raskin be the ranking member. | ||
| Let him have Goldman or whoever they want as counsel. | ||
| Let him rip apart all the, you know, it's the American legal system. | ||
| It's an adversary system. | ||
| Let him rip apart the evidence. | ||
| Let him rip apart, let him cross-examine you, Cash, like you have been at the grand jury. | ||
| But just get on with it. | ||
| This is why we need, the American people, putting it out through Loudermax thing is fine, but it's kind of grundoonish. | ||
| We need to get serious about this because, correct me if I'm wrong, did not the evidence show three significant people in this drama? | ||
| Millie as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Nancy Pelosi as the Speaker of the House, and Mayor Bowser as the Mayor of Washington, D.C., all actively, through their actions, thwarted Donald J. Trump from actually providing the necessary security you need on January 6th, sir. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And that's what's going to be highlighted in our film Government Gangsters. | ||
| This is why this is so critical. | ||
| The left's mission to take out Donald Trump is based on the insurrection narrative. | ||
| And just like we did in Russiagate, we use the left's own evidence to destroy their narrative, like you highlighted. | ||
| Pelosi rejected Donald Trump's authorization of the National Guard through the Capitol Police. | ||
| Bowser rejected Donald Trump's National Guard authorization directly in writing. | ||
| We have those letters. | ||
| They're in the book. | ||
| They're going to be in the movie. | ||
| And Mark Milley and the SECDEF were all there to witness it and testify that Donald Trump authorized it. | ||
| If Donald Trump did, in fact, authorize it, which he did, It is constitutionally impossible for him to commit insurrection in any way, shape, or form. | ||
| The only insurrectionists are the Nancy Pelosi's and Mayor Bowser's of the world and this January unselect committee. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'll tell you why. | ||
| Because it was a fedsurrection. | ||
| They knew the fix was in. | ||
| That's why they thwarted it. | ||
| No rational human being would have ever said you shouldn't have 10. | ||
| They made the excuse, oh, we don't want to get people worked up. | ||
| But what are you talking about? | ||
| Aren't people worked up? | ||
| You keep saying people are worked up. | ||
| Remember, even when they talked about allowing something to happen, they said they had to station them at Andrews Air Force Base. | ||
| They had to put, if they're going to put anybody, they had to put them at Andrews Air Force Base, which would, you know, make it meaningless to have. | ||
| Cash, you get the closing word here. | ||
| I know you got to bounce. | ||
| You're going back east. | ||
| Tell me, give me some closing thoughts. | ||
| This is just like Russiagate, where they buried evidence of innocence. | ||
| The FBI buried Donald Trump's exoneration here in January 6 in the insurrection narrative that the radical left has been trotting out with the deep state government gangsters. | ||
| They themselves, the committee, buried evidence of innocence, which directly corroborates from a senior secret service official that Donald Trump authorized 10 to 20,000 National Guards men and women days before January 6th. | ||
| And that destroys, destroys their insurrection narrative, exonerates Donald Trump. | ||
| That's why they buried it, Steve. | ||
| That's why Molly Hemingway's great reporting just released it. | ||
| She was fervent. | ||
| She stayed on mission. | ||
| And that is why they don't want to talk about the truth of January 6th, which is Donald Trump. | ||
| Would have, and acted to secure every measure in D.C. | ||
| and around the country. | ||
| And the only people that thwarted it were Nancy Pelosi, Mayor of the Capitol Police. | ||
| Molly Hemingway's great reporting in the last 72 hours has been amazing. | ||
| She's also all over the Fonny Willis situation. | ||
| I think she has something that could be a deal-breaker on Fonny Willis there. | ||
| We'll hopefully get to that later in the show, if not on Monday. | ||
| But she's lighting up the boards. | ||
| She's had a hell of a weekend. | ||
| Cash, social media, website, where do they go? | ||
| Cash ads, truth social at KSH on truth social only. | ||
| And then, yeah, can't wait for a big movie. | ||
| Government Gangsters. | ||
| Go get the book right now. | ||
| Governmentgangsters.com. | ||
| Bestseller. | ||
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Soon to be war room number one film. | |
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Dave Brat in the war room next. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. | |
| Okay, so duly note, that's a huge one. | ||
| Molly Hemingway is also doing double duty. | ||
| She's got a huge story on the taping of President Trump and this Fannie Willis, the thing that kicked it off. | ||
| We're probably going to get to that on Monday, just given the time, but that's something else I'll get Grace and Mo to put out there, so big. | ||
| Brad's going to join me in a second. | ||
| He's going to wear two hats today. | ||
| We're going to talk about economics, maybe the jobs report, some capital markets, but he's also got some very big picture. | ||
| Thoughts and observations only Dave Brat can give us. | ||
| Part of that, well that part is going to deal with culturally and civilizationally, where we are. | ||
| One thing I can tell you, they passed, and Senator Haglin, we don't have Tuberville here. | ||
| They're going to pass this first step of this massive, you know, $7 trillion spending bill with a two, two and a half trillion dollar deficit with a trillion dollars being added every day. | ||
| More than ever, you need to go to birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| End of the dollar empire is free for installments. | ||
| We're putting out a fifth, get them totally free, share them, make notes, come in the chat rooms, ask us questions about them. | ||
| But also you got to talk to Philip Patrick and the team. | ||
| About what does this all mean? | ||
| What are these converging forces that are getting the BRICS nations to buy gold, their central banks to buy gold, at ever-increasing rates? | ||
| Record rates in 22, record rate in 23, 24, sort of the same way. | ||
| The de-dollarization movement continues. | ||
| So go check it out. | ||
| Birchgold.com slash Bannon. | ||
| I wanted to get John Henry Wesson in. | ||
| John Henry, I understand you're so busy over at LifeSiteNews, one of my favorite sites, but you've been on fire. | ||
| I gotta get you in here today because for Catholics in particular, we have two very large parts of our audience, the evangelical, a lot of evangelicals in the evangelical movement, also traditional Catholics. | ||
| You had the guts, I think, to do, John Henry, what a lot of people have been worried. | ||
| And particularly after this fiasco the other night on Thursday of this State of the Union, I think you've had enough. | ||
| Now you've put out, I think, a petition. | ||
| You want something signed that you're moving to have actually Joe Biden excommunicated by the Catholic Church. | ||
| That's a pretty bold move coming from another Catholic. | ||
| I mean, what gives you the moral right to take the high ground? | ||
| You know, Biden is appears on the surface to be the most churchy of, I mean, a lot more churchy than Jack Kennedy came across, right? | ||
| He goes to mass all the time. | ||
| He's very visible by going to mass. | ||
| He's very visible about talking about church, about talking about his faith. | ||
| He takes the media every time he goes. | ||
| So why do you want to throw out only the second Catholic president? | ||
| Why do you want to excommunicate him from the church? | ||
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So Steve, thank you for having me on. | |
| Joe Biden is not only the worst example of a Catholic, but it's the worst exemplar. | ||
| He actually epitomizes the false church. | ||
| If you are going to have an anti-Christian stance, it would be Joe Biden, because while on the surface it's all wonderful, you know, we'll reach out to the poor and this and that, but it's all false on the inside. | ||
| The Catholic Church has been clear for 2,000 years that they don't accept the killing of unborn children in their mothers' wombs, and that's what Joe Biden has praised. | ||
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Not only that, at the State of the Union Address, he actually used the name of God. | |
| The only time he used the name of God was to talk about what other rights would you deny, and he was speaking specifically about killing children in the womb, about abortion. | ||
| A million children killed a year, every year, and some of the bishops scandalously run out to give him Holy Communion first. | ||
| What is excommunication? | ||
| It is the denial of Holy Communion. | ||
| It is the casting out of someone just for a time so that they can come back because Catholics don't want anyone in hell. | ||
| Joe is headed to hell right now because he is doing the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing as a Catholic. | ||
| So excommunication is an actual help because it shows the person how serious what it is they're doing so that they can turn their lives around and come back to Christ. | ||
| Look, I'm sorry to say it, but Joe Biden, as everyone can see, is very old. | ||
| His last day is coming not too long from now, and he's going to meet his maker. | ||
| And when he does that, Catholics don't want to see him going to hell for all eternity. | ||
| So it's an act of charity on behalf of the bishops. | ||
| It's their responsibility to excommunicate Joe Biden, to show him the seriousness of what he's doing. | ||
| And if the Catholic bishops aren't doing that, you've got to wonder why. | ||
| Because that's their spiritual responsibility. | ||
| Okay, hang on, but slow down, hang on. | ||
| Are you ordained in the Catholic Church? | ||
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Not ordained at all. | |
| Just a normal, faithful... Do you have any official position in the Catholic Church? | ||
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as a baptized Catholic, and as a brother of Christ to all Catholics in the world, including all the bishops and all the Catholics. | |
| In terms of Christ, there is no separation of Jew and Greek, as they say, or of those in high positions or low positions. | ||
| So we're all equals, and in that, we're brothers and sisters in the Lord, and therefore we call upon our brothers in the Episcopate and the Bishop. | ||
| Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, I got all that. | ||
| You're a guy in the pews with the rest of us. | ||
| Because the church has got a hierarchy. | ||
| I mean, it's a priest caste. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's a hierarchical church. | ||
| It's one of the reasons we had a Protestant Reformation. | ||
| It's the reason our evangelical brothers maybe not have the hierarchy. | ||
| But in our hierarchy, are you anywhere officially in that hierarchy? | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
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Yes, in that you're a member of the Body of Christ. | |
| But what it takes, all these little guys in the pews... Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| I got that, I got that, I got that, I got that. | ||
| You're a backbencher with the rest of us. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| There are people in the hierarchy, right, and quite powerful people. | ||
| They're called bishops, and last time I looked, the Pope is essentially the Bishop of Rome, right? | ||
| I mean, that's his official gig, is the Bishop of Rome, and by being the Bishop of Rome, you have the keys to St. | ||
| Peter, unbroken chain, back to the laying of hands on by Jesus Christ, and that's one of the pitches of the Catholic Church, that he's the Bishop of Rome, just like Peter was, and this is why he's the Pope. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, he has lots of other bishops, and including here in the United States, he has lots of bishops. | ||
| Has any bishop, anybody in official capacity, said anything about Joe Biden's stance on, and particularly his State of the Union the other night, when he couldn't have been more, you could say, pro-abortion, pro-murdering of babies, take it however you want, right? | ||
| Has anybody in any official capacity come out and even made a peep about Joe Biden and what he stood for on Thursday night? | ||
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Yes, the cancelled Bishop, Bishop Strickland, so far. | |
| And this is so typical. | ||
| Hang on, hang on, but hang on, but hang on, but hang on. | ||
| Ho, ho, ho, hang on. | ||
| Because most of our audience is not Catholic. | ||
| Bishop Strickland is not technically a, he's still a bishop, but he's a bishop kind of outside the bishop's conference because he got fired. | ||
| He got fired particularly for stances like exactly the one that you're making. | ||
| Am I incorrect in that? | ||
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He's not fired so much as removed from his diocese, but yes, you're right. | |
| You're exactly right. | ||
| In the Navy, we would say relief for cause, right? | ||
| He's relief for cause. | ||
| Now, so to go back in a system that's 2,000 years old, that has tons of rules and regulations, much more so than our Protestant brothers and sisters, in that official hierarchy, including the guy that's the Bishop of Rome, last time I looked, the Bishop of Rome's rubbing up on the guy. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi over there, he's given her communion. | ||
| Is Nancy Pelosi any really different than Joe Biden in regards to this issue of abortion? | ||
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No, they're exactly the same. | |
| Both are Antichrist on the issue. | ||
| And did not the Pope not just greet her, but gave her communion and had pictures all over the world showing that he super supports Nancy Pelosi? | ||
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Yeah, he didn't quite give her communion. | |
| She received communion at a papal mass. | ||
| Not only that, on the very day she did that, he was criticizing the bishop in America, Corleone, who denied her Holy Communion. | ||
| So yeah, no, there's a mess in the Catholic Church equal to the mess in the Evangelical Church that they experienced over the last 30 years when they had to fight for orthodoxy inside their own church. | ||
| But hang on for a second. | ||
| So if the official apparatus of the Catholic Church, all the way up to the head guy, and he's been seen with Biden many times, if the official hierarchy in a church that is hierarchical by our standards and practices, not only have nothing to say negatively, but in fact embrace it, embrace it, why as you as a backbencher, what's your beef? | ||
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So the whole thing is with Jesus Christ, you know, the Church would follow in the same kind of torture as the head went through the head, being Jesus Christ himself. | |
| The mystical body of Christ is called the Church. | ||
| It will follow in a sort of agony and death and resurrection. | ||
| And it certainly seems like, especially over the last 10 years, the Church has been going through this agony where basically it's being betrayed In fact, the worst torture of the Church is to be betrayed not from the outside, not the persecution, because that makes it stronger, but the persecution from within is the worst torture you can get inside the Church. | ||
| In fact, saints of yesteryear used to say that God shows His most evident anger when He gives to the Church priests, who are basically priests in name only, who are ravenous wolves rather than shepherds. | ||
| And that's our situation today. | ||
| We have someone who's sitting on the chair in Rome who is not acting like a shepherd, but is acting more like a wolf. | ||
| And that's why there's this grave distortion about Catholicism today. | ||
| So instead of picking on Biden, and don't get me wrong, I'm the biggest anti-Biden guy out there, isn't your beef really The people who should be excommunicated are the bishops, including all the way up to the Pope. | ||
| Isn't that your real beef is with them? | ||
| Not with Biden, he's just another sinner, but has not been corrected by the official teaching of the church. | ||
| Isn't your beef with the people that hold the keys to the kingdom and actually are the guardians of at least the mechanisms of the promulgation of the truth, sir? | ||
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Indeed it is. | |
| In fact, their punishment is worse than the one for the sinner who is not told or otherwise told wrongly. | ||
| Scripture is full of that. | ||
| The ones that are going to hold the ultimate responsibility are those spiritual leaders that mislead the faithful. | ||
| It's better for them if a millstone be tied about their necks and they be cast in the sea. | ||
| So yes, you're indeed very right. | ||
| But on the part of the faithful, it is about shining light on these circumstances which are leading the world into error about the faith, that the faithful need to speak up so that we can have done our part. | ||
| Yes, that will make the bishops and the Pope more guilty, because we've told them, but we need to do that. | ||
| We've got a petition out now for the excommunication of Biden at lifesitenews.com. | ||
| It's got 40,000 signatures. | ||
| We need that to get up over 100,000, and we're sending that to every bishop in America. | ||
| So at least those who will listen, who will listen to the voice of God, which speaks also through the faithful, will actually step up. They need to do that not only for Joe Biden and for America and for the reputation of the Catholic Church, they need to do that for their own souls as well because that is what hangs in the balance. | ||
| John Henry, these bishops that continue to support Biden, because they do support him, are they not also, and correct me if I'm wrong here, are they not complicit in the murders that are going on in the United States because of their active push for open borders, their active push for the invasion of this country, their active push for Catholic Charities to be one of the NGOs down there, they're exacerbating the invasion of this country? | ||
| Are they not complicit in the murder of these women and children that are happening in our nation right now? | ||
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You know, it's really funny, Steve. | |
| I have a friend in the pro-life movement in England who used to say, his name is John Speighton, used to say, the bishops could have ended abortion yesterday. | ||
| All they needed to do was act in unison on the question. | ||
| If you had every single politician who was promoting abortion excommunicated, abortion would have ended in America, in Canada, in Europe, a long time ago. | ||
| The church refused to act. | ||
| So they're guilty also there. | ||
| But also with regard to this border crisis, Something very strange is going on. | ||
| They're getting over a billion dollars to assist in this program of illegal immigration, which when you look at it on the outside, it's all wonderful. | ||
| We're helping the poor come in. | ||
| No, look what's happening at the border. | ||
| You can see what's happening at the border. | ||
| Not only are illegals coming through who are a threat to American citizens and who have killed people, but other people kill people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The only problem is you go to the border and you realize, oh my gosh, the other side of the border is being led by the cartels. | ||
| And then you're having this absolutely horrific situation of trafficking of children coming through the border. | ||
| How? | ||
| And the Democrats dared to say, oh, they're separating adults from children. | ||
| No, they weren't. | ||
| They were doing testing to see. | ||
| John Henry, the biological parents of these children, I just interviewed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're just going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| I'll bring you back after the break. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | |
| John Henry, you're looked at among, and for our evangelical brethren, John Henry's looked at as one of the most informed reporters and commentators in all the Catholic Church, and LifeSite News has just done such a heroic job. | ||
| John Henry, what you describe, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, And this all goes back to the railhead of Vatican II and really the embracing modernity instead of standing to fight it. | ||
| And it's culminating now. | ||
| Are we not on the precipice of a schism in the church that's every bit as deep as when Luther and the Protestant Reformation happened, sir? | ||
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Indeed we are. | |
| In fact, we're at a precipice in the Church that is led and so confusing for people because people don't understand. | ||
| Historians, especially one in Europe, Dr. Roberto de Marte, has described it as the same leader, i.e. | ||
| Pope Francis, leading two Churches, the true Church and a false Church. | ||
| Pope Benedict, while he was still a Ratzinger before he became Pope, wrote in already 1978 about the coming Church would be much smaller and purer, we would lose the edifices, we would lose the buildings, because he saw a crisis coming in the Church where you would see the Church unite itself with modernity, a false Church do that, and a true Church exist like they have in China. | ||
| Underground, not official, and persecuted. | ||
| And that is coming, and it's coming from official structures. | ||
| There's already an underground church going on in America. | ||
| What do you think happened during COVID when they were shutting everything down, not letting Catholics receive the sacraments properly? | ||
| Those underground churches are happening. | ||
| And those same underground churches are being persecuted by the very bishops in the mitres that are running around today. | ||
| So it is Very much shaping up to be what was predicted, and the greatest schism, the greatest separation of Catholics in history. | ||
| And unfortunately, the majority, and quite a large majority, will be on the side of the official Church, the Patriotic Church, as they call it in China. | ||
| With all the money, with all the buildings, and the ones still, you know, in the pump and ceremony, rather than the ones for the Church of Jesus Christ. | ||
| The ones that Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi hold up. | ||
| Now, Ratzinger took the name Benedict because he said, just like in the Dark Ages, the Church was, you know, St. | ||
| Benedict, with the monastic movement, kept the flame alive in Catholicism and the Church and Christianity during the ages of the Dark Ages, and that's why he took the name. | ||
| And I would also say that there's evangelical Christian churches that are going back to first century practices that are insanely compelling, and I think you're going to see some interesting things happen over the next couple of years. | ||
| But people have to understand, Where the money and power is, is not where truth is. | ||
| And we're seeing that. | ||
| Nothing should put it in people's faces about what Joe Biden did on Thursday night. | ||
| John Henry, where do people get your, where do they get to your petition and read about it and contemplate and pray and see if they want to sign? | ||
| Because signing that is a big deal, I think. | ||
| Particularly when the bishops haven't done anything and are supporting this guy. | ||
| It's a very big deal. | ||
| So people, it's not something you should just get and sign. | ||
| You should pray over it, think about it, and then see. | ||
| But I want to give people access to it. | ||
| Where do they go? | ||
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Go to LifeSiteNews.com, L-I-F-E-S-I-T-E-N-E-W-S dot com. | |
| It's where we have news every day following all these things in America, in Canada, in Europe, all over the world. | ||
| All the most important things are there, 30 articles a day, every day, video offerings every single day as well. | ||
| So it's a full newspaper on life, faith, family, and freedom, and hopefully of benefit to many. | ||
| So go to the petition, right top of the page, you'll see it right away, LifeSiteNews.com, and if you feel called, To excommunicate Joe Biden for their souls, for Joe Biden's souls, and for the soul of America, which hangs in the balance right now. | ||
| By the way, it's so ironic that Joe Biden said this is a fight over the soul of America. | ||
| I think he's right. | ||
| John Henry Weston, thank you, brother. | ||
| You're remarkable. | ||
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Always good to be with you, Steve. | |
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Dave Brad, I always turn to you in times like this. | ||
| Help me out here, brother. | ||
| Well, you don't need much help. | ||
| Brother John Henry there was on the target. | ||
| He brought up the idea of the shepherd in the Catholic tradition, and he mentioned orthodoxy. | ||
| Everything he said is, of course, orthodox. | ||
| And so he should be applauded by every Christian out there, right? | ||
| The folks in China to the U.S. | ||
| In the Bible, it's interesting, Jesus only brings up the, you know, the word sinner, whatever, seven or eight times. | ||
| But he is referred to the good shepherd over and over and over and of course the good shepherd goes over the one lost sheep Is the famous teaching and there's 500 mentions of the shepherds throughout the Bible in its entirety and the in the the great pinnacle of Shepherd in the Hebrew scriptures is of course King David and Jesus comes out of the house of King David as the shepherd and so there's a breakdown here that gets to what's going on in our country and | ||
| The shepherd conception applies to the individual, of course, if you're lost, if you're one of the lost sheep. | ||
| And we're all lost. | ||
| Go read Genesis 3. | ||
| None of us goes through every day having our head on straight. | ||
| And so if you're lost out there, if you're not religious, the idea that you feel lost means you're lost from something. | ||
| And that something is likely upstairs with God the Father. | ||
| And, you know, Jordan Peterson is just phenomenal on all of that. | ||
| But then when it comes to the nation state, things are different. | ||
| That's a different category. | ||
| And our nation is clearly lost right now, right? | ||
| And so it requires a shepherd at the highest level leading the country. | ||
| The Hebrew scripture, again, the Old Testament and the New Testament, Christ comes with a unique mission, but he is the king of kings, and God has always called great kings to lead the nation. | ||
| And of course, nations don't have souls, right? | ||
| A nation does not have a soul that can be saved. | ||
| That teaching comes out of Rousseau. | ||
| Very dangerous stuff, the general will. | ||
| There's a bunch of Christians in this country. | ||
| It's a Christian country in the sense that all of our institutions were set up by Christians, from Harvard University to James Madison writing the Constitution, all based on the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| But in the New Testament, the teachings on what the rulers are up to has to do with a whole other realm, right? | ||
| That shepherd of the country is Romans 13. | ||
| They come to wield a sword and power. | ||
| And it's not about love, right? | ||
| Love is ultimately at the individual level. | ||
| It's hard enough for us to love our neighbor. | ||
| That's a hard, hard teaching. | ||
| At the level of the nation-state, as Reinhold Niebuhr taught, you know, kind of on the liberal fringe of the Protestant, not the fringe of the Protestant community, justice, and he said just proximate justice, proximate, trying to get at justice. | ||
| Is the best you should expect of a nation state. | ||
| Well, right now we're falling apart, right? | ||
| We had peace and prosperity back under the last administration. | ||
| President Trump takes all sorts of heat, but we had peace and prosperity. | ||
| And the New York Times refers to a return to normalcy of President Trump. | ||
| So that's what's at stake. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| Hang on one second. | ||
| We're gonna take a short 90 second break. |
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