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Jan. 5, 2024 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 3294: Biden's Lie To The Nation

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steve bannon

28:01

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joe biden

01:17

jonathan lemire

01:25

michael seifert

04:19

mika brzezinski

01:42

royce white

03:54

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mika brzezinski ▲ ● ▼		Maddening that the Supreme Court could decide 2024.
		I want to understand that.
		I'm just in the middle of reading it right now, but why would that be maddening in the case, in this case, that it's eligibility that's the question.
		I actually think it's a pretty simple question and not a political one.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I mean, however one sort of approaches the question of the eligibility and the merits of that question, the point that I wanted to sort of try to sort of help readers work through is kind of where we are at this very odd moment in America.
		This is a Supreme Court, right, that in the The last couple of years has totally upended the law on abortion, on voting rights, on gun rights, you know, the Second Amendment and all that.
		And there was a period of time, you may remember, I'm sure you folks were talking about it quite a bit, after the 2020 election where there were people clamoring for Supreme Court reform, right?
		Expanding the court, imposing term limits.
		The Biden administration sort of took a pass on that.
		They had this sort of commission that produced a report that was like sort of promptly forgotten.
		And, you know, last year that Supreme Court tanked his signature domestic policy initiative, the student loan relief initiative.
		Those same people now are going to be addressing this disqualification issue.
		And you know, so you have that being a very peculiar element to all this.
		And then second, you know, the Supreme Court also has to consider this issue of whether or not Donald Trump is immune from criminal prosecution.
		And that is now introducing a delay in the calendar and a question about when this criminal trial might occur.
		But as we've talked about before, the Justice Department's...
		Sort of original sin here was not investigating and moving this prosecution along more quickly.
		There is another world in which, you know, Jack Smith or someone else had been given the same mandate in early 2021.
		You know, Trump could have been charged in mid 2022.
		We could have seen a trial, potentially a conviction last year with the political knock on effects now underway.
		That obviously did not happen.
		And so here we are now at the start of what I think is going to be a very rancorous and challenging year for everyone, as I think Mark Barnicle said.
		And I just think it's important to understand why we're here.
		You just mentioned in passing something that a lot of people have raised and wondered about.
		The lack of...
		Swiftness, with which the Justice Department looked at Donald Trump's crimes.
		When January 21, they took over, Merrick Garland became Attorney General and nothing happened for months and months and months.
		Do you have any sense of why it took so long for the Department of Justice to move?
		Well, look, there have been two sort of broad theories, and I'll sketch them out, but I'll tell you what I think really happened.
		One is that there was sort of this effort to do sort of a bottom-up criminal investigation.
		We start with the rioters, maybe someday we'll end up with Donald Trump.
		That theory never made much sense for reasons that I wrote about at the time, because that's not how real, large, complex criminal investigations work in reality.
		You want to get to the top as quickly as possible.
		I don't really think that's what was going on.
		Another hypothesis, which was sort of borne out in some reporting I did for a profile of Merrick Garland, is that there was a real hesitance coming into office, both on the part of Biden and Garland.
		They didn't want to appear to just sort of be going after Trump with a special prosecutor.
		They thought it would be too disruptive and politically unsettling.
		That for sure was Biden's position.
		And I think Garland ended up sort of following it too, maybe held it independently.
		But I think that there was reluctance on this part.
		And I know, you know, the Washington Post issued a major report last year that I know you folks talked about, about that delay, about sort of a year and a half long delay.
		And frankly, there is no good explanation, unfortunately.
mika brzezinski ▲ ● ▼		Back, President Biden will mark tomorrow's three year anniversary of the January 6th Capitol attack with a campaign speech today near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania.
		He's expected to focus on the importance of American democracy in the 2024 election, emphasizing the danger Another Trump presidency would mean to the American institution.
		The Biden campaign tells NBC News that in its view, the January 6th attack has been underestimated and that the president is, quote, going to be very straightforward about what happened, the truth of what happened and the role that Trump played.
		A Biden campaign advisor adds that while Trump and his allies have tried to rewrite what happened on January 6th, the images of that day are still very much seared into people's minds.
		And so as we look, gosh, now three years after that day, it's definitely seared in our minds, Jonathan Lemire, but it has been papered over by a lot of Republicans who also refuse to sort of face what happened.
		And now you have states across the country that are opting to take Trump off the ballot for engaging in insurrection.
		Are we at the stage where we're going to debate whether or not that was an insurrection?
jonathan lemire ▲ ● ▼		Yes, certainly.
		Trump and his allies have done an effective job convincing other Republicans that what happened on January 6th was not that big of a deal, to try to downplay it, to normalize it.
		And President Biden simply isn't going to let that happen.
		Aides tell me from my reporting on this that he's going to return to some familiar themes about defending democracy, about saying that it is indeed on the ballot this November.
		But his aides believe that when there are searing national moments, like January 6th, the next national election becomes a referendum on what happened.
		And they think that the American people are just so sick and disgusted of what happened on that January day three years ago that they won't choose to go down that path and pick Trump again.
		So today's speech in Valley Forge, sort of the unofficial kickoff of the Biden campaign, twinned with a speech in South Carolina on Monday at the site of that racist mass shooting at a church in Charleston some years ago.
		And today we'll hear from the president.
		He'll evoke his setting of Valley Forge.
		He'll talk about George Washington, not just as a defender of American ideals, but also someone who walked away Someone who twice gave up power, resigning his commission, leading the Continental Army, and then again, walking away from the presidency after two terms, setting that precedent that his successors followed for centuries, and comparing that to Donald Trump, who of course fought to overturn the 2020 election, fought to cling to power, and, President Biden will argue, remains a real threat to our nation's democracy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Pray for our enemies.
unidentified		Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
		The people have had a belly full of it.
		I know you don't like hearing that.
		I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
		It's going to happen.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified		MAGA Media.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved!
unidentified		War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's Friday, 5 January in the year of our Lord, 2024.
		The end of the, I guess, the work week.
		Of course, we work here on Saturday, so it's not quite the end of the War Room work week.
		But as the War Room Posse is always, we're ready to go to work today.
		Wrapping up the first week of 2024.
		What did the guy say?
		A rancorous and challenging year.
		Bro, you don't know how rancorous it's going to be, particularly with the ascendance of MAGA and the sweeping victories that are before us.
		Because if you haven't noticed, we got them on the run.
		Note to self, when they're sitting there and they're grasping us, first of all, they're whining like you've never seen them.
		Oh, why didn't we move quicker?
		Why didn't we get on this quicker?
		You know, Trump, these things on the ballot, you know, he's got to be pulled the ballot because they know if he's on the ballot, he wins.
		Wins and wins big.
		And then there'll be, I don't know, come retribution or really, I think it's setting things right.
		Making sure that, uh, the takedown of the administrative state and the deep state, which is now after him just out in the open.
		It's not even, that's why I say don't call it deep state.
		It's in your face state.
		Of course, Biden today, we're going to be covering this wall-to-wall.
		I want to announce we got Lou Dobbs joining us at six o'clock tonight for a special.
		We're going to talk about this at three o'clock or 315, I think, and Grace and Mo will have it up on the live stream on both Getter and Rumble and all of our other platforms.
		He's going to go to Valley Forge.
		He's trying to weld himself to the image of George Washington.
		Just think about this.
		When you kick off It's a referendum on the incumbent, on the incumbent's actions.
		He can't do that.
		He's got to go back to Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Insurrectionists, Orange Man Bad and his followers, the Deplorables, MAGA, the America First, the War Room Posse, the Cadre.
		Uh, you're evil.
		You're domestic terrorist.
		So 60 or 65% and the numbers are terrible for them.
		40% of all the American people think he's illegitimate.
		Think he's illegitimate.
		This is a Washington post poll said we've done our work there.
		70% of Republicans, which I think is low, but 70% of Republicans independence, I think are in the thirties.
		I got to check that.
		I think they're in the, in the thirties, like over a third, um, 40% overall.
		Think, and that includes 10% of Democrats, think he's illegitimate.
		It's kind of tough to talk about yourself and to put forth your program when a vast amount of people in this country think you're not the legitimate president of the United States.
		And every day it becomes more and more known or realized that no legitimate president would do what you do, a sower of chaos and anarchy.
		Right now we just got where I think the house is going to move on the subpoenas of Hunter Biden to hold him in contempt.
		Hold him in contempt for not being there and answering the questions on the, uh, that he's got to on his father's treason, selling out the country to the Chinese Communist Party into Ukraine and all others.
		So it's off to a bang.
		We're going to have a special tomorrow.
		I've got the great Julie Kelly who's going to join me as my co-host for a couple hours.
		We're going to bring other people in.
		She's also going to break down Michael Graves, the U.S.
		Attorney, had an outrageous, I guess, press conference or briefing yesterday on J6.
unidentified		And here's why.
unidentified		They've got to go back to the same old playbook.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They've got to go back to the insurrection.
unidentified		The country's over.
unidentified		The country's over that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Pass it.
		Not a big deal.
		That's not me saying that, that's the country saying that.
		What's a big deal is the jobs report.
		Top-line jobs report, oh, it's kind of hot, and the 10-year Treasury's up over four, market's a little off, but the underlying, we're going to get bright on here, if you look at the numbers below, there's the record number, I think it's a million and a half people working two and three jobs.
		If you look at this, and the reason they got these new jobs is the illegal aliens are coming in at record numbers, driving wages down.
		We're gonna have Royce White on here to talk about that.
		That's why you see blacks and Hispanic citizens, American citizens coming to the Trump movement.
unidentified		Why?
unidentified		They understand the fix is in.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That these guys continue to print money.
		If we can go, if we can also pull up.
		We can also pull up up on my getter and you gotta getters totally free.
unidentified		Just go to it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I put stuff up there all night long.
		As does grace and as does my other grace gets a little spicy over there on on Twitter every now and again on occasions late at night.
		She Mike Davis must they must be in communicado and that because Mike Davis gets a little comes a little hot late at night on Twitter also.
		Reason Magazine, you know, I think it's Jason Bohm, B-O-E-M.
		Tremendous article.
		As you know, it's not a lot with the Libertarians and Reason, I agree with, but they have some great articles.
		He's got, he's done some math and he sets up a good way.
		He says, hey, look, you basically got to think from the start of the NFL season.
		Basically mid-September, the start of the NFL season, September 18th, and two, just a couple of days ago, we added $1 trillion face amount of debt.
		One trillion dollars.
		If you go back to when the terrible deal was cut by McCarthy and McHenry in Graves, a Louisiana, not the U.S.
		attorney, but the congressman from Louisiana, it was $31.4 trillion.
unidentified		We've added $2.6 trillion in six months.
		This is unheard of.
		And there's no pandemic.
		There's no pandemic.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is just normal course of spending and drop in tax revenue because the economy is not growing at 8%.
		What Bohm over at Reason did, and that's why I want everybody to quickly just scan that while we're on today, he's saying by the end of March, the end of March we're going to add another trillion dollars.
		Now I haven't done the math, I'm going to do it after the show, but I think he's pretty close.
		My point is now you have two things converging, an out-of-control invasion of the country and out-of-control spending.
		And they're up there, Mike Johnson, Jake Jake Sherman over at Punchbowl is reporting that Mike Johnson is now going to go directly to Biden.
		He's cutting out McConnell and Schumer.
		The Senate is nowhere, really nowhere on a border security.
		He understands coming off of that and the war room laying him up.
		Of course, you people calling that they need direct results.
		He's going to go and tell him, hey, if you don't, if you don't hit the bid on these real border protections, the government's going to shut down and there's not going to be any Ukraine supplemental.
		This thing is firing all cylinders.
		You wanna fight?
unidentified		The War Room Posse wants a fight?
		We like to fight.
		But we like to fight fights that matter.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We got a fight that matters in front of us.
		We're gonna break it down all this morning.
		Get everybody's assignments.
		Everybody to their ramparts.
		We're gonna work smart.
		We're gonna work tough.
		And we ain't gonna back down.
		In the War Room.
		In a moment.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You may notice we're feeling pretty good this morning.
		For more information, visit www.FEMA.gov.
		Why is that?
		We got them on the run.
		They're so desperate.
		They're coming up with... One of the things I try to emphasize here When you see people coming up with gimmicks, like the trillion dollar Bitcoin or whatever they're thinking of doing over at Treasury, or all these phony things they do all the time on the border, or other things you see them doing and trying to, oh we cut spending, it was the biggest, remember the debt deal?
unidentified		And we told you it was a lie.
unidentified		Oh, it's the biggest.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And I had people calling me up.
unidentified		People I respect.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Operatives.
unidentified		Steve, you don't understand.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You've missed it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is really the most significant cut that's ever come.
unidentified		I said, are you kidding me?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's all performatives.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		There's not a dollar being cut.
unidentified		Nothing.
unidentified		Zero.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And these people, remember, these political operatives don't really understand how to do the math.
		I said, you can't spend me on this.
		And then you talk to Russ Vogt.
		We had Richard Stern from Heritage on the other day.
unidentified		The most cuts They're talking about it all.
unidentified		It's like $60 billion.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is a $2.5 trillion.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're adding a trillion dollars now every 90 days.
unidentified		It's just going to go on and on and on and on and on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's in perpetuity.
		That's what this thing in Ukraine is.
		First off, it's offensive to you as a rational human being.
		Because the guy gets $60 billion, $60 billion, we already put $125 billion in, if you count it all up, maybe $130 billion.
		Put another $60 to $80, you're $200.
		But they don't talk about next year and next year and next year because you're paying right now for all the pensions and all the, you're paying for the pensions and the healthcare, the full healthcare of the Ukrainian people.
unidentified		Do you have full healthcare?
unidentified		You got a good pension?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Don't forget, they're trying to come after your pension.
		We've got to get to entitlements.
		I've had actual reasonable people say, Steve, all this talk you do about cuts, we have to go on the table, we have to get to entitlements first.
unidentified		I said, no, we don't.
		No, we don't.
		That's just a lie.
		That's a lie.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's taking the easy way out.
		We have work we have to do now.
		One that we have to do now with a $900 billion, $850 billion defense budget.
		Right?
		And now with over a trillion dollars of interest expense, the first thing, and Johnson said this, we have to have the border secure, right?
		And actually, as Andy Binks said, not just the passage of the moral laws, but actually the border actually being secured.
		And that means no more invaders in here with gun decking the asylum walls.
unidentified		None.
		Zero.
		Seal it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hermetically seal it.
		Number two, he said, and this is what Jake Sherman says, this is why he wants to talk to Biden directly.
		There has to be significant cuts because this kind of gimmick they've got with the CR, the year-long CR, this 1%, so there's a couple, you know, tens of billions of dollars, maybe $100 billion of cuts on non-defense discretionary spending.
		Remember, non-defense discretionary spending.
		But we can't, and we have to have massive cuts of discretionary spending, and defense has to be on the table too.
unidentified		This gets back to NATO.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They have to become an ally, not a protectorate.
		And every time you see these guys on TV talking about Ukraine is not an ally.
		We have no alliance with Ukraine.
unidentified		None.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Zero.
		The null set.
		They're not an ally.
unidentified		Okay?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Israel's got to do more on their own defense.
unidentified		I think Israel has free college and free health care.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I hate to bring up a sore subject, but as long as citizens of this country Don't have health care, and don't have pensions, and are hand-to-mouth.
		What is important is the sovereignty of this nation, and what is important is the well-being and pursuit of happiness of her citizens.
		From the very first document, the Declaration of Independence, all the Continental Congress, the Constitution, all of it.
		American citizens, and not just America first, it's American citizens first.
		And we're not narcissistic or selfish.
		This nation has proven the most generous people in the history of the earth.
		And not just with our treasure, with our blood.
unidentified		So that's unquestioned.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's just a demonstrable fact.
		But we have to take care of our citizens.
		That's the problem.
		The problem with the unit parties, they want to be and they want to be big shots on TV and have all this and go to these cocktail parties and be thought of as big world thinkers.
		Well, screw you.
		We're talking nuts and bolts.
		And we're talking fact, not happy talk.
		Why they want to destroy Trump.
		Remember, Trump was beloved before he ran for president.
		You could go meet people in the entertainment industry, in the sports and everything.
unidentified		Trump was not just a well-liked guy, he was kind of a beloved guy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Because he's a good time, he was a fun guy.
		He's got a great sense of humor.
		He's magnanimous, as you would be in the hospitality industry.
		His personality, as you can see, he's a sports guy, he's a guy's guy.
		He's kind of a throwback to the Rat Packer, to the Mad Men era.
		I know certain Karens out there, certain women, who are never going to vote for him and hate him.
		I know their heads blow up, but hey, that's just the way it is.
		But why did Trump become, from a beloved figure, why did he become something that they're trying to put in jail for 700 years?
unidentified		They're trying to, you know, take his wealth, which they're going to start on that next week.
unidentified		How did that happen?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And to the point that the lovers of democracy, remember, they're defending democracy.
		We must defend democracy.
		This is about democracy.
unidentified		They're trying to take away your option of even voting for the guy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		By predicating, by laying it out on the J6 committee, which Johnson's got to get off his ass and meet and have a vote first thing they get back next week and say, hey, guess what?
		J6 committee, done.
		Report, invalid.
		Null and void.
		Chop their legs out from under them.
		If they're going to prove an insurrection, go prove an extraction.
		I'll get into this more, I don't think I'm going to have time today, maybe Monday.
		They didn't think they could prove Insurrection on Jefferson Davis.
unidentified		That's why they never tried.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They never took him to court.
		Remember, he's never tried.
		The leaders of the Confederacy.
		They had some technical issues there.
		They thought they might not.
		They might not be able to win in a jury trial.
		And the guys that were in Lincoln's cabinet after Lincoln was assassinated, the team of rivals, who were the smartest lawyers in the world.
		Remember, with Stanton, and Seward, and Chase, and himself, you had the smartest deal lawyers in the country at one time.
		And they all initially hated him, and they ended up revering him, because they saw him up close at what he did.
		Those guys came together and didn't think they could.
		We had 620, we had what, I don't know, 10% of the population dead.
unidentified		The country destroyed.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Columbia, South Carolina burned.
		Richmond, Virginia burned.
		Atlanta burned.
		New Orleans burned.
		Norfolk, parts of Norfolk, the shipyard burned to the ground.
		But Sherman told them, hey, you're not going to defeat, this is not going to be Napoleonic.
		It's not about beating armies.
		You're going to have to go down to the south and you're going to have to burn it to the ground.
unidentified		These people are that ornery.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's where they put Sherman almost and put him in an insane asylum early in the war.
unidentified		I said, no, you can't that can't be right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Remember they weren't brought up for the leaders of the Confederacy weren't and there were technical reasons for that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So why not just charge another saying?
unidentified		Oh, he should have been charged two years ago.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We need to get this done in 2022.
		The reason they didn't do it.
		They ain't got a case and they know that.
		They ain't got a case.
		He's not charging out with it.
		Charge him now.
		Come on, Jack Smith.
		Come on, Graves.
unidentified		You guys are such tough guys.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Charge him now.
		Don't use some backdoor thing on the 14th of November, which is going to get tossed.
		This is how much they love democracy.
		And of course, they've got to go and they have to commit sacrilege at our most civic, sacred sites, like up in Philadelphia, Liberty Hall, Independence Hall.
		They have to go there in front of it and give that horrible speech with the red glare, you know, dark Brandon, like Joe Biden's a tough guy.
		Ask Corn Pop.
		Ask Corn Pop how tough he was.
		Corn Pop knows.
		But now he's got to go to Valley Forge.
unidentified		Why's he got to go to Valley Forge?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Because it was the darkest, probably, time.
		They had some very dark times in the Revolution.
		Christmas morning before the Battle of Trenton, pretty dark.
		Valley Forge, pretty dark.
		Had some tough times coming out of the gate.
		They got to weld themselves to Washington.
		Hey, I'll tell you, I'm going to weld Trump to Washington.
		They called General Washington, Cincinnatus.
		Why?
		Like the famous Roman general.
		He would be called back to duty, then he would walk away.
		Donald Trump did not have to return to do this.
		That's what that whole thing on Morning Joe.
unidentified		You see the look?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You see Morning Mika?
		Morning Mika's got that knitted brow.
		She's got that resting blank face.
unidentified		They're worried.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You know why?
		If he's on the ballot, he's going to win in a landslide.
		Subject to how much they cheat.
		And you know they're going to cheat.
		And we know they're going to cheat.
		And we don't know yet if we've done enough for the cheating.
		Let's be blunt about that.
		We don't know because we have an RNC that's completely hapless.
		And state parties that they haven't given enough money to to do it.
		But that's a topic for a different day.
		But what you see right now... I want you just to think about this for a second.
		Just over your Warpath coffee.
		Get that big pot of Warpath going right now.
		I'm not going to have you go to Birch Gold.
		I want you to think about this.
		When incumbents run, it's a referendum on the incumbent.
		Are you better off today than four years ago?
		That'd be so simple.
		Biden, just walk up to a microphone.
unidentified		You're better off today than four years ago.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They don't talk about Bidenomics even more.
		You see it in the jobs reports.
		It's the lived experience of the working class and middle class in this country.
		And the worry and the anxiety is starting to eat away at people like battery acid.
		Right?
		And you see that in the jobs report today.
unidentified		People working multiple jobs.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		People barely making ends meet.
		And if they have to make ends meet, they've got to gap it.
		Their gap financing is a credit card, which is now topped out and it's at 30% APR.
		And they're behind their taxes and they're behind the credit card and it's all catching up with them.
		And you're like a hamster on a wheel.
		You can barely keep up.
		And if you're under 35, you're sitting there looking and saying, I'm never going to be, you know, I'm not, I'm not tracking my parents in the same part of life.
		And I'm never going to, I'm never going to have the capital formation to be able to buy a house.
		I'm never going to convince a girl that I'm, I can actually, a young lady that can actually be an economic provider and we can have a family.
		That's why family formation's late.
		That's why homeownership's late.
		And of course you have these radicals inside.
		They've allowed 10 million illegal alien invaders in here.
		And they're trying to have some discussion.
		Oh, maybe we pass some more laws.
		We don't need any more laws passed.
unidentified		I love HR2.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If you can do it, fine, but you got to take what you got and secure the border.
		Very simple.
		They're debasing your currency.
		This is why the purchasing powers dropped so much.
unidentified		20%.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They're debased your currency and they debased your citizenship.
		The currency and the citizenship are inextricably linked.
		They're doing fine.
		The wealthy are doing never done better in this country in their lives.
		Never done better in their lives.
		Short commercial break.
		We're gonna go to Rome.
		We got Royce White with us.
unidentified		Michael Siefert's gonna join us.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're pretty packed this morning.
		But it's the January 6th weekend.
		Guess what?
unidentified		We'll take it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If you want to go January 6th, we'll go toe-to-toe.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And let's have an up-or-down vote by the American people and see where we're on that.
unidentified		Short break.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		back in a moment is your host Stephen K. Bamm okay we're gonna get into why he's not running on his record doesn't want to talk Bidenomics was all a thing, everything they did.
		What we do know is Axios is reporting that, wait for it, they're going to keep in President Trump's tariffs on the Chinese.
		Hello?
		Remember, that's a big thing.
		Oh, we can't decouple.
		Trump's a barbarian.
		Peter Navarro didn't always talk about banning these guys.
		Just hate the CCP.
		So you can't trust anything they say.
unidentified		It doesn't.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's always about taking down the CCP.
		So you can't trust the judgment on economics.
		That would be incorrect.
		Even Biden and the illegitimate regime there understand these terrorists work.
unidentified		It's actually a story.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I've got it up on Getter.
unidentified		If Grace and Mo, if you can push it out, I'd appreciate it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Also, terrible news in this jobs report today.
		I want to bring in Michael Seifert, who's an American First Member.
		The alternative economy, the patriot economy, is being led by guys like Seifert.
		These entrepreneurs, many of whom worked in Silicon Valley, and are now outbilling these amazing companies.
		Public Square.
		It's a big favorite of the War Room.
		You've got some technical things you've done to actually make it much more productive for people to use, but I want to talk first your thoughts.
		I mean, you're an America First guy.
		When you see Zero Hedge, and Zero Hedge broke down immediately, the phoniness of the top line number.
		Top line numbers, I think 212,000 jobs is pretty good, but then when you get below the top line, Because they can gun deck the top line.
		You know, they have these adjustments later on.
unidentified		Oh, it was 50,000 more than we thought.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But it's the undercard that's important.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Seifried, what does the jobs tell you, brother?
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought that one of the most interesting aspects of this development is something related to immigration, actually.
		Zero Hedge broke an interesting statistic that found that since we have not had any new Native American jobs since 2018.
		So it has now been over five years and there has been zero increase in Native born American jobs in this economy.
		So when you pair that startling realistic environment that we're facing with rhetoric from people like Nikki Haley or the Biden administration that love unfettered illegal immigration coming into our borders and we need to have compassion for them and we need to make sure that they're secured jobs, this is the great replacement happening in real time economically.
		And so for us as a marketplace, our focus has to be on supporting American owned and operated small businesses that are family run, that are independent because we are losing our country to globalist economic aims that want to remove our borders.
		And this statistic is yet another reminder of that.
		The fact that the Biden administration touts this job growth, which always was sort of a mirage anyways, because all he was actually saying is that, hey, look, people are going back to work after the COVID crisis that they created out of the establishment.
		But to go even further to say, look at all this job growth when it's not even actual Americans that are benefiting from the job growth.
		It's absolutely absurd.
		So I'm startled and yet sadly not surprised to learn these new revelations and I'm grateful for Zero Hedge for breaking it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, you know, we've got when we have the Jace Medical guys or other people, they've taken kind of the issues out there, this young group of entrepreneurs like yourself, you've taken a problem and you've created a company that comes up with a solution.
		So we know the problem.
		You've got this alternative Patriot economy.
		Walk me through once again what Public Square does for people, both people that are providing products and services that support your values or supports this audience values, and then for the consumer.
		And I want to talk specifically about the cart.
		That you guys have built to make the shopping experience even easier.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Steve.
		We definitely are solution focused.
		I like to turn our frustrations into actual practical solutions.
		And so we created public square.com.
		It is the nation's largest marketplace of businesses that are not run by globalists.
		These are businesses that are America first.
		They love their country, their constitution, and the values that's protected by that sacred document.
		And more than that, we want to actually help them interact with consumers to build this parallel ecosystem so that we're not subjected to five companies for everything we buy that are in bed with a bureaucratic state out of D.C.
		Instead, we want to decentralize the economy to focus on these small America-first businesses.
		We focus on consumer experience more than anything else, because we want to actually drive sales to these businesses.
		We've added a completely new revamped platform before the end of the year here.
		Uh, in 2023, we introduced e-commerce, which is an immersive shopping cart experience that allows us to compete with Amazon.
		You can now shop from multiple vendors in one shopping cart transaction.
		Uh, which is fantastic.
		That's been a long awaited development for our company.
		We've hired the best people on the planet that are coming out of these globalist companies that are tired of the woke stuff.
		They're ready to build an America first enterprise.
		And they're doing it here at Public Square and we're seeing the manifestation of that with great product deliverables coming out every single day from our engineering team.
		So it is a bright future in 2024 for the parallel economy.
		We're obviously going to focus hard about getting the right people in office with our votes at the ballot box and securing our election integrity efforts.
		But our focus is helping people vote every single day with their wallet and helping to make sure that we're shifting the power structures of society economically Michael, where do they go?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		How do people start?
		We have a ton of folks in the world that are already on Public Square.
		The feedback I get, people love it.
		The new cart is a game changer for e-commerce.
		But how do people that, particularly the audience that maybe is not as good with technology like yours truly here, what do they have to do?
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can access us on a phone or a desktop.
		So we try to make it easy so that you can head to the site no matter where you are.
		We also have a mobile app on both the App Store and Google Play.
		So if you're looking to download the app, you can do that.
		You can get started for any myriad of different experiences with our platform at PublicSquare.com.
		That's your single source of truth.
		That's where you can begin your shopping experience.
		That's where you can add your business.
		That's where you can download the mobile app.
		We have incredible industries.
		and incredible businesses across multiple different products and services that are really excited to serve you and what's more is that Most of these businesses will actually give you discounts to shop there so we can make your shopping experience not only easy But incentivize so that you can support businesses that do not hate you It is that simple and all of that starts at public square.com Seifert great job brother If you had told me when we first met a couple of years ago when you started this, you'd be as far advanced as you would.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't have believed it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		As a financier and investment banker, you and your team have done a magnificent job, so keep grinding.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Steve.
michael seifert ▲ ● ▼		Great to see you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This – remember, we absolutely are adamantly opposed to what's called finance capitalism and that leads to state capitalism.
		That's anti-competitive.
		That's corporatist.
		That's one of the founding building blocks of globalization, of globalism.
		We believe in entrepreneurial finance.
		We believe in entrepreneurs.
		I'm very proud that the Warren Platform has become a platform for entrepreneurs.
		And we're going to have Natalie on later in the show.
		We've got some other stuff to talk about on the CCP and other things that are going on, getting ready for Fauci's deposition.
		But she's launched her new company.
		It's on fire already.
		We support entrepreneurs.
		We love the fact that the entrepreneurial spirit lives in MAGA.
		Remember, stop giving your money to people that hate you and hate your values.
		I want to pivot now to, let's play the cold open.
		We got Royce White, we have THE Royce White here today, but I want to play a cold open for him and get his take on the jobs report, the Federal Reserve, and the economy.
unidentified		Right, and look, they're also trying to impeach Biden.
		Let us not forget, they're trying two multiple impeachments at the same time.
		Mike Johnson is worried, right?
		The last speaker did not keep his job.
		And I think that this is a ploy.
		I also think, look, gas is under $3.
		This is, you know, inflation is coming down.
		Economic news is good, right?
		We've had that soft landing.
		People may be cranky about the economy, but the fundamentals are solid.
		That is kind of a miracle.
		And I think that Republicans don't have that much to run on, and these crime numbers are down.
		So the thing they have, the thing that they need is fear.
		And the only thing that they can find that they think will help them run is the border, because they think that there's fear.
		But the thing that we don't talk about when it comes to immigration is we don't talk about, this is a very tight labor market.
		We actually need these people to work jobs.
		And I think that you're not, you know, there's a larger issue here, which is that we don't have a path to immigration.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Net job creation for native-born citizens, zero.
		Eight to ten million illegal alien invaders here, and they're here for two reasons.
		Number one, the elites want bigger markets, bigger consumer markets.
		Number two, they want to drive down the wages of particularly African-Americans and Hispanic-American working class with flooding the zone with labor.
		And here's why.
		Because, you know, the inflation problem was caused because of the working poor.
		The working poor and their wages are, that's the problem.
		You always see these guys, just like The problem with the deficit, the $2.5 trillion deficit, is the little Social Security check you get and a little bit of Medicare you get.
		That's the problem.
		The problem is always the working man.
		You're the problem.
		You're the problem they're always trying to get a solution for.
		So the solution is just, you know, cut the spigots on the Federal Reserve with fiat money and open the borders.
		The first guy, one of the first guys to identify this was Royce White.
		Royce, you join us now.
		Molly Young Fast, I know she's a huge fan of yours.
		I'd like your assessment of her analysis of things, and also from the jobs report, the zero hedge analysis of why native-born Americans are not really benefiting at all from any aspect of the economy, sir.
royce white ▲ ● ▼		Well, first off, you know I'm an ad hominem guy, so I don't listen to white women who dye their hair that color or wear those type of glasses, these mealy-mouthed collegiate assholes.
		I don't really listen to them at all, so that's where I would begin.
		I had trouble even listening to the clip because I saw who was talking.
		You know, first of all, she's lying.
		The economy is not doing well, and she's using the labor market to falsify this narrative.
		The full-time jobs are down 1.5 million.
		Part-time jobs are up 760 some thousand, you know, it's it's a gig economy And that's what they want and the one word that in the one word the one idea that everybody has to get ironed out that everybody has to become Familiar with and realign themselves with regardless of where they think they are on the political spectrum regardless of how they identify in Politics is citizenship.
		We say it all the time, but we can't really say it enough citizenship.
		It has a value and It has a value.
		Your citizenship has a value.
		They mean to devalue it.
		This is why I led a protest of 12,000 during the heart of the George Floyd thing to the Federal Reserve, is that this is the source of tyranny.
		This economic financial Ponzi scheme.
		This is where it all begins.
		And I want to say this about the debt.
		You and I are as big a debt hawks as anybody.
		$34 trillion.
		Here's what the federal government and your political elites are telling you right now.
		They're not worried about the 30.
		They're not worried about the debt at all.
		This scam could keep going.
		They mean to keep the scam going.
		They're looking at the full net worth of the country.
		There's still money to be taken.
		There's still money to be stolen from you.
		There's still coins to cipher off and put in their coffers.
		That's why the thing will continue to go.
		So what they're really saying, what she's saying, and what a lot of these other establishment puppets are saying is, hey, there's no problem with the economy.
		We still have room to flood the zone with liquidity.
		We still have room to take the American taxpayer's money right from under their nose.
		They're still paying attention and distracted to BS culture wedge issues.
		And we still can keep them on the gravy train well enough for them to stay fat and comfortable, basically.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I want to hold you through the break.
		Before I leave, you know, on the George Floyd situation, you shocked everybody.
		You were a favorite at MSNBC until you marched 10,000 people down to the Minneapolis Federal Reserve.
		On that day, and I think that was in early to mid-June of 2020, I think the face amount of debt was somewhere in the $26 trillion.
		Would you have ever thought That a couple of years later, we have added another 8, 9, 10 trillion dollars.
		Royce, I tell you what, hold the answer to that, because we're going to go to break.
		I want to have Royce White answer this.
		Royce White was the first one to identify, really in a public protest as an activist, to sit there and go, what are you guys doing?
		You're missing the point here.
		That's the problem.
		That's the enemy.
		The enemy controls that, and that's the problem.
		And that's the Federal Reserve.
		And they have not been happy with Royce White since that happened.
		Because he identified, he went full signal.
		No noise.
		Short commercial break.
		Royce White joins us on the other side.
joe biden ▲ ● ▼		I've made the preservation of American democracy the central issue of my presence.
		I believe in free and fair elections.
		And the right to vote fairly.
		And have your vote counted.
		Something dangerous happened in America.
		There's an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy.
		All of us are being asked right now, what will we do to maintain our democracy?
		History's watching.
		The world is watching.
		Most important, our children and grandchildren will hold us responsible.
		The Vice President and I have supported voting rights since day one of this administration, and I ask every American to join me in this cause.
		America is still a place of possibilities, where the power resides with we, the people.
		That's our soul.
		We are the United States of America.
		There is nothing beyond our capacity and we act together.
		I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, at the Valley Forge today, we'll be non-stop and we're also going to have in the five to seven hour analysis breakdown all of it.
		Lou Dobbs is going to join me.
		One of the leaders of the extremist movement that Joe Biden talks about, Royce White joins me.
		So Royce, you see right there Biden's pitch.
		It's not, hey, are you better off today than you were four years ago under Trump?
		It's defending democracy.
		I noticed he didn't say anything about the massive deficits, the out-of-control spending, the destruction of the working class in this country, whether you're white, black, Hispanic, destruction of the middle class.
		Kind of skipped over that.
		Your thoughts, sir?
royce white ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have their three issues.
		Their three issues are social equity, democracy, and the environment.
		These are their three calling cards, and they're going to beat that drum until we come up with something better, something more distilled, something that people can readily associate with on the fly.
		Because we know they've created a culture where people get their politics with french fries, and that's something that we've got to work on continuously for a long time.
		And when we finally get over the hill, which Warman has done a great job of, we have to be vigilant that that doesn't happen again.
		But the three issues for America first are simple.
		It's the border.
		It's the debt.
		And it's forever wars.
		Those are our three issues.
		We don't want an open border.
		We don't want unconstrained amount of debt, no matter how you try and doctor it up.
		And we do not want any more forever wars.
		Very simple three-issue platform.
		That's what I'm running in the Senate on.
		And that's what I think all America First candidates should be running on first and foremost.
		And this whole border deal, you know, this whole idea that the border isn't a problem or that the border is, you know, kind of a casual issue.
		It's not.
		It's treason.
		And any America First candidate who's afraid to call it that is not America First.
		It's treason.
		What's taking place at the border is absolutely treason.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Why are they, because he's going to go down for Clyburn in South Carolina.
		They're shocked about the numbers in the Hispanic community.
		They're shocked about the numbers in the African-American male community.
		How can they, with a straight face, go to these communities and say, hey, get a vote for me, when obviously one of the central things of the 8 to 10 million illegal alien invaders Is to crush wages, is to bring in low skilled workers that compete against the working class folks in this country.
		How can they do that with a straight, make that pitch you gotta vote for me again with a straight face?
royce white ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're hoping for two things.
		They're hoping that the black community and the Hispanic community are too distracted by cultural wedge issues and the emotion of cultural wedge issues to really understand the economics.
		And number two, they're hoping that their narrative around... I think we just lost him.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's go ahead.
unidentified		Yes.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's go ahead and reboot him.
		Let's just go ahead and reboot him.
		I'll take it.
		Okay.
		Let's reboot Royce.
royce white ▲ ● ▼		Can you hear me?
		Can you hear me?
		Test, test.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hang on for a second, Royce.
unidentified		I'll tell you what we're going to do.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We're getting close to the end of this hour.
		I want to hold you through.
		Let's go ahead and reboot him to make sure we got it.
		Royce White is speaking truth to power.
		They're trying to use these cultural wedge issues to stop the unity and unifying ourselves into a massive populist Nationalist movement.
		It's not happening.
		It's occurring every day.
		This is why Biden today is going to give you nothing but happy talk in the economy, not the lived experience of people.
		And it's all going to be about democracy, democracy, democracy.
unidentified		These are the guys trying to tape Trump off the ballot.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hey, here's how we believe in democracy.
unidentified		Let's just have a vote.
unidentified		Let's have a vote.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's bring it.
unidentified		Let's do it.
unidentified		Let's do it this weekend.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's how much we believe in democracy.
unidentified		Don't wait till November.
		Let's do it next Tuesday.
		Let's roll.
		Let's see how you do and see how we do.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We'll even outvote your cheating right now.
unidentified		That's how powerful it is.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That's how strong we are.
		We're going to get Royce sorted out, and we're going to get him back up at the beginning of the next hour.
		We've got a lot to talk about here.
		Remember, very simple.
		They're debasing your currency, and they're debasing your citizenship.
unidentified		Just keep that in mind.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Forget Republicans, Democrats, all this.
		It's nationalists versus globalists.
		The globalists are devaluing your currency.
		They're destroying your currency, and they're destroying your citizenship.
		Why are they doing that?
unidentified		Because they think you're nothing but trash.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're just a cog in the wheel.
		I don't care about your race.
		I don't care about your ethnicity.
		I don't care about anybody.
		They just think that you're nothing but a cog in the wheel.
		To pay taxes, to work, to have this little bit of your pension money, this private equity, to use that to ship jobs overseas.
		Not to build this country.
		If they were serious about building this country, we would be having an adult conversation right now about this massive debt.
		We're going to add another trillion dollars by March.
		It's insanity.
unidentified		Everybody is insanity.
		They don't want to address it.
		Even on Capitol Hill, they're talking about, oh, we've got $10 billion for the IRS.
		We've got to do this.
		We're going to do the following.
		We've got a CR.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We've got to deal with 1% cuts across the board.
		And that's going to, you know, $90 billion, $80 billion.
		The deficit's $2.5 trillion.
		And the one that we're doing this year, working on it, because remember, we're kind of doing the numbers we were supposed to do last year for this year.
		The one we're supposed to be working on now is another $2 trillion.
		And every time they try to show you, oh, well, there's these cuts, or they're in the out years, that's all, they're just lies.
		I've been an investment banker long enough to know that when we see the third year projections always, you know, the skyrocket, it's takeoff time, everybody's happy, everybody wants to live in the third year.
		Well, we're living in period zero.
		In a period zero, it don't look so good.
		Because that's reality.
		President Trump, for all his faults, gave you years of peace and prosperity in a dangerous and chaotic world.
		He gave you peace and prosperity.
		Think about how hard that is, and think about how few times we've had that in the 21st century.
unidentified		Think about that for a second.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Make sure you go to Birchgold.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Birchgold.com slash Bannon.
unidentified		Talk to Philip Patrick and the team.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Philip's going to join me tomorrow.
		We're going to break everything down.
		But the one thing you should be asking the guys at, the men and women at Birch Gold, why has gold been a hedge for 5,000 years of man's history?
		And why is it a hedge today for me and my family?
unidentified		Ask it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The central banks of the BRICS, they got their answer.
		That's why they're buying it at record rates.
		Short commercial break.
		We're going to get Royce White back up, rebooted, and with us here in the War Room.

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