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WarRoom Battleground EP 406: Confusion In Maine; Cocktail Of Medication For Children
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Now back here at home, the main mass shooting suspect.
And alarming new details this morning about missed warning signs that led his family to reach out to law enforcement months before the massacre.
Trevor Ault is here with that for us.
Good morning again, Trevor.
Good morning, Rob.
And so there were, as you say, A ton of warning signs here, including from his own family, according to the Saget Hawk Sheriff's Office.
They say Robert Cart's family reached out in May, saying his mental health had declined and they were worried about his well-being and his access to firearms.
Authorities say they contacted his Army Reserve unit, and in July, he was committed to a mental health institution.
In a statement, a U.S.
Army spokesperson says after that, the suspect's commander was told he should not have a weapon, handle ammunition, and not participate in live-fire activity.
Then in September, after a soldier expressed concern of a mass shooting, the sheriff's office requested a health and wellness check and it led to a statewide alert.
But deputies say they were later told this suspect had no longer had weapons from the reserve unit and his family was working to take away his guns.
That statewide alert was canceled October 18th, one week before 18 people were killed.
Lindsay?
Multiple misread flags there, Trevor.
Thank you.
steve bannon
Multiple misread flags.
It is Tuesday, All Hallows Eve in the year of our Lord 2023.
I want to go, we had Sheila Matthews in really an amazing couple of segments on Saturday's show, and I got tremendous feedback.
So we want to kind of help Sheila make this effort about these drugs and young boys, but it's actually deeper than that.
It gets to these mass shootings.
Sheila Matthews, First off I want to go back and start and just restate what Able Child is about.
This whole issue of the drugging of essentially young boys a lot of times is not to demonize or to stigmatize single moms but it's where the father a lot of times where the father's not in the home or the father has left and you have these psychiatrists and particularly school psychiatrists and how that eventually evolves to the issue of mass shootings and how that even evolves in all these myths.
Because you're saying this happens all the time and it's out there in the open and nobody catches.
How does it even play into this main situation? So go back and talk to us about what is the purpose of your organization and what led you to make this kind of the cause of your life?
unidentified
Okay, so it's informed consent regarding psychiatric drugs.
So our focus is that parents get all the information before they place their children on psychiatric drugs.
That means they need to know the subjective nature of the diagnosis and then they need to know the dangers of the drugs.
So Another mom and myself formed this organization in 2000 based on the fact that her son was placed on Paxil and attacked her with a knife and she didn't recognize him.
I was getting ready for a meeting and I saw her the night before on C-SPAN testifying before Congress.
I called Congress, I got her name, and then we started this organization.
So her help prevented me from placing my son on psychiatric drugs.
So that's what our organization does.
We want parents to understand That the psychiatric industry and the pharmaceutical companies are actively participating in our school system through the association of the school psychologist's office.
So they're a distribution channel.
So we started working on this and then it tumbled into foster care and now I work on mass shootings.
And how I do that, Steve, is through identifying through these reports.
So you just showed an opening clip and they're like, Oh, all these missed flags.
Well, that's simply not true.
We already know from one report that was put out that he was treated at Keller Army Community Hospital.
And last time I was on your show, I said that's really important, because we have to get to the root of the problem here.
Who is the treating psychiatrist?
So That is important.
Now we have that information.
And so that's how I started working on this particular main mass shooting that happened.
And basically the report that you showed in the opening was that they, Oh, he, you know, he was treated.
He was this, well, the fact is they already have this information.
They already know who the treating psychiatrist is and the meds he was on, but they're withholding it.
And if you noticed in the segment, they said a spokesperson.
So they don't give you the spokesperson's name.
They don't give you anything that you can solidly put your teeth in.
So basically what Able Child is focusing on is this particular public commissioner that was appointed by Governor Janet Mills.
Uh, he is the public health commissioner and he basically had a press conference and he's basically the one that we have in our sites right now.
So he has the data and he's saying, well, we, you know, we really can't focus on the diagnosis because a lot of people in this press conference have diagnoses.
Well, I don't really care about that.
I want to know what this guy was diagnosed with.
Then he says, hold it, hold it, hold it.
steve bannon
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hang on.
Hang on.
So he said that he can't talk about the diagnosis of, uh, of Robert Carr card because many people at the press conference have diagnosis.
What does that even mean?
unidentified
That means he is playing down the psychiatric aspect of this mass shooting.
And he's also, um, basically saying it's so complicated.
Mental health is so complicated that the public won't understand all the different levels of mental health.
And so he's, he's just, he's not doing his job.
He's not a good spoke.
He should be removed immediately.
And we should get the psychiatrist from the TRICARE, which is the behavioral health We need a vendor of that hospital out in front.
We need him out in front from Keller Army Community Hospital.
He needs to be out in front.
They have his records.
They know the psychiatric drugs he's already been given.
Hang on, hang on.
steve bannon
I want to go back on something.
You said it's about informed consent and psychiatric drugs and giving to these young kids and it turns out a lot of these mass shooters have this.
Let's go back to the beginning.
Are these psychiatric drugs, how powerful are they?
Is there something about them that makes them so powerful to young men or young people that parents really have to understand this?
Or are they just like another form of Motrin?
unidentified
No.
The psychiatric drugs are causing violent reactions That includes mania, hostility, violence, aggression, and the most of all, homicidal ideology.
Homicidal ideation.
And that comes from psychiatrists' own peer reviews.
Okay, so and that comes from the clinical studies that they're doing on these psychiatric drugs and a lot of people are kicked out of the the clinical drug studies because they have aggression and they've carefully worded the word aggression.
They can say it has you have agitation.
Senator Grassley did a really good But hang on a second, hang on a second.
course of looking into the conflicts in clinical drug trials. So this is a collateral damage.
What we're dealing with here in the state of Maine is collateral damage of the psychiatric industry of the drugs. Now, we.
steve bannon
But hang but hold on. But hang on a second. Hang on a second. Just so I understand this.
They have to. Psychiatrists are school psychologists. I take it or not. Medical doctors. That's why a psychiatrist is. It's kind of next level. If there is a track record and it's proven in peer reviewed journals, which I assume if you say it, you can you can back it up with peer reviewed journals. Why would they give?
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These psychiatric drugs or some combination or cocktail of them to these young boys that have, you know, they've got ants in their pants.
I mean, they're typical young boys.
They're not made to sit in classes.
They're made to be out, you know, in a field hunting and shooting and farming and, you know, that kind of stuff that's in their basic DNA of being a young man.
Why would they risk?
Even for things like ADHD or whatever they say these kids have, just basically being, you know, young boys.
Why would they risk putting that?
Why would people in responsibility and authority in the schools have the best interests of the kid?
And clearly the doctor with the Hippocratic Oath has their best interests.
Why would they put him on this and how possibly could they ever convince a parent to sign the document that you have to sign if there's studies that show that they have, you know, hostility, agitation, leading up to homicidal ideation, which means, hey, I'm thinking about killing some people and it's in my head.
So how can that even work?
unidentified
Well, they don't give the parent the information at the school little meeting that they have.
They don't say, here's all the documentation of the treatment that we want to get your son on.
They don't say that.
That's why my organization works on informed consent.
That's part of being informed so you can make a wise decision.
And it's called coercion.
We experienced it a lot as a nation recently.
It's coercion.
That means that they coerce you into doing it.
They soft step it.
They're like, well, we feel that, you know, your son has these characteristics of ADHD.
They don't tell you that those Those are subjective checklists.
They're not saying this is very subjective.
And we can't prove it because there's no brain scan.
There's no blood tests we can take.
I didn't get that information.
So parents are doing it because they're being lied to.
And now this commissioner in the state of Maine is lying to us.
Okay, he has the documents. He says in the conference that, oh, I was told this by, you know, who? Tell us who told you this. Bring the psychiatrist out. So parents are being coerced. The country's being coerced. And I don't know if you know Donnie Deutsch, but he developed the advertisement of the bouncing Zoloft commercial.
And it says, you may suffer, you may suffer from a chemical imbalance.
Well, that's been proven not to be true.
And that story came out.
It didn't make the ABC news that you just showed.
They didn't come on the air and say, Oh my God.
There's no proof behind chemical imbalances.
They're not going to tell you that because they're getting pharmaceutical advertisements and they're pushing these drugs.
steve bannon
It's an industry... Are you saying that the school, when this first starts, which is at the school, psychologists and psychiatrists, that they are advising taking medications or medicating children Of medications that may be too powerful for them for the simple reason is, is there any ideological reason they want to suppress young men's activity?
Or is it purely a profit motive?
Because the, uh, the pharmaceutical industry has seen a great pathway of distribution by doing it through the, by turning the school into essentially a medical arm of their, or distribution node of, uh, of their pharmaceutical company.
unidentified
It's the distribution center.
It's the pharmaceutical companies can't go into the school, knock on the front door and say, we want to sell your kids drugs.
They have to go through somebody.
So they're going through the Association of School Psychology.
I've saved every document that ever happened to me and my situation and other people have sent me theirs.
And basically, the information that I got was, try this drug.
If this drug doesn't work, try this drug.
And that was the recommendation through the School of Psychology of how to treat ADHD.
It's a marketing campaign that comes into our school system through the Association of School Psychology.
It is the only association that is allowed in our school.
want to be the experts, and they are seeping into everything.
They're in our military, they're in our churches.
I could get into all, how, and, you know, I just know that they are, and the evidence is out there.
And in the state of Maine right now, on this mass shooting, ABC is doing us a disservice by telling us that, oh, there's all these missed flags, because what's gonna happen now is gonna say, we need more mental health.
We need more mental health spending.
And there's a shortage of psychologists.
There's a shortage of these people.
And so they keep getting more and more power.
And the educational system is being shoved to the side.
We're not getting money for real education.
They run everything.
They're running this investigation in the state of Maine right now.
They're feeding this commissioner talking points.
And for him to say in that press conference, a lot of us have diagnoses.
I mean, think about that.
That's crazy.
That is crazy.
We want to know about this shooter.
What was his diagnosis?
So that's why I think it's important.
steve bannon
You know, it's interesting that there was a study out the other day, 62%, I think it's millennials.
62% of millennials are dealing with either medicated for or have seen a doctor for mental issues, like almost two thirds of a generation.
Are you saying this all comes out of the schools?
This all comes out of turning the schools with these psychologists into basically mental institutions?
unidentified
That's right.
And now we have a push to get through President Biden, a push to get mental health clinics in our schools.
And there's a perfect example in the state.
Connecticut and killingly Connecticut and there's a little Board of Ed that's trying to fight back and say we don't want this mental health clinic in there And now the state of Connecticut is suing that little board of ed.
And so yes, it is a moneymaker.
And you know, Steve, you know, those bills you talk about that they pass that are like stacked up real high.
This all coming through that they are passing these mental health bills.
They never, we never get a public hearing on them.
And I really want to point your attention to this New York bill, which was proposed in 2000, which would collect the data that we need when somebody gets arrested.
And basically, it would say that when you come into the police station, you know, what psychiatric drugs are you on?
And they would start gaining that data.
This bill died, and it's important that we get it back on the table.
You know?
So, and then... Go ahead.
steve bannon
One second, I want to go back to Maine then.
In the Maine situation, this is quite confusing to the outside because it just seems like one day a mumbo-jumbo after the other.
Is it, do we know now that he was actually on these psychiatric drugs and that this was given to him by what you call the treating, the treating psychiatrist, which is your point, and all of these school shootings?
It turns out that I think virtually all these kids, or the majority of them, are on these psychiatric drugs.
Your point is you can't get to the bottom of any of this until you see what the treating psychiatrist diagnosed the patient with and what drugs he was on, correct?
Is that the core of your pitch as far as this being something that the nation needs to focus on?
unidentified
The nation needs to focus on The press conference that was held by this Commissioner of Public Health.
He says that he cannot get access to the records.
And that's not true.
Okay, because the behavioral health vendor, TRICARE, that works at that hospital, they told us the hospital he was treated at.
So we don't want to hear from the Commissioner telling us that all the people in the room have diagnoses.
We want to hear From the treating psychiatrist.
We don't know his name.
I don't know if he was on psychiatric drugs, but we need to know that.
And that's what I'm asking.
We can't take away people's guns.
We can't blame guns.
We can't get more mental health money spending until we hold this industry accountable.
And that's what I want to do.
I want to hold the industry accountable.
Get him in front of the microphones from the hospital.
Who is he?
Somebody knows who he is.
And I believe it's the commissioner of public health, Sauce Chuck, who was a, he worked in Portland.
I mean, his, his characters, I mean, you got to do a deep dive on him.
He's been shuffled around and he's anti-gun.
I mean, I can bring up his bio, but I think it's important to get to the psychiatrist at this point.
steve bannon
Why does the media immediately never talk about this?
They always go right to the gun thing.
It's the same argument over and over again.
When the evidence is the vast majority of these people are young men, the vast majority of these folks have had You know, psychiatrists treat them with these psychiatric drugs.
Is it Big Pharma that's stopping this because they advertise so much on TV?
Is it politicians?
I mean, in your mind, what is stopping us from having a full and frank conversation since this is clearly an issue for virtually every parent of a boy that's in a public school?
unidentified
This is the state apparatus.
This is the state.
This is the state's partnership with the behavioral health vendors.
They hire the vendors to drug the public, whether it's in the military, whether it's in the schools, it's the vendors.
It's a billion dollar industry.
And so like in Sandy Hook, they named the whole hearing right away, out of the gate, gun safety.
Gun safety.
Well, they knew the treating psychiatrist of that young boy and they avoided.
Why did they avoid it?
was under investigation for corruption through the FBI director, James Comey, who is my cousin, and I hope you still like me because of it.
But he knew information about Sandy Hook that the public had a right to know about, okay?
The Newtown Police Department was selling drugs imported from China through the Newtown police station.
He did an investigation called Operation Juicebox.
How come the public never heard about that?
So they're covering up drug trafficking, behavioral health vendors that the states are in bed with.
And that's a whole nother discussion on how that structure is set up through the legislators.
And I'm happy, and that's why I want the New York bill to be put back on the table because it's not just me, it's the DOJ that says 23% of these school shooters are on psychiatric drugs.
So it's really important for us to have this conversation.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's corruption.
It's money and power and access.
And so I'm hopeful, Steve.
I mean, it's been a long journey for AbleChild and other organizations.
So I'm happy to help.
And I hope this is helpful.
Yeah.
steve bannon
How do people get to your organization?
I know the feedback I got over the weekend, the people that went were pretty blown away.
They didn't, folks don't know the scale of this, particularly if they're, if they're past the years of having kids in school, but there's something clearly wrong here.
And the pharmaceutical industry, just like in the vaccine is, is, is, is embedded here.
They're dug in and they're not going to move.
We had Dr. Peter Breggin at the beginning of the, We had it on a couple of times and he was legendary for being the guy that stepped out and really called out the industry and really put his own career in jeopardy when he did it.
So where do people go now to find out more about this and any updates you've got on this main situation?
Because there's something deeply wrong about this main situation and this is not about guns.
There's something deeply wrong with what happened up there and people want to get to the bottom of it.
unidentified
They can go to ablechild.org.
Thank you for having me on because my website, the beautiful emails of support I got, please keep them coming.
We want to help.
We want to, you know, get to your emails.
So it's ablechild.org.
Everything that I have spoken about is on my website.
They can pull down work and really look at my work in Sandy Hook.
That is really important because it is the catalyst of what's going on in this country with the mass shootings and how they hide behind the victims.
And also my video on my Facebook on Parkland sentencing hearing I did with Kelly O'Mara.
I really would love that to be blown up.
You have to have Kelly O'Mara on this.
She's a journalist and an investigative reporter.
And she's really more articulate than I am with a deep dive into the links to the side effects and a lot of things.
We've been working on this for years together.
steve bannon
Sheila, Matthews, thank you so much for being on.
Besides going to the site, what's your social media?
unidentified
Oh gosh, Steve.
I'm developing a staff here.
I have a small group of volunteers, so you just have to go to my website right now and work a little bit.
steve bannon
Perfect.
We'll get your social media literate so you can get that.
We'll get you up on Getter.
Your thing will explode, trust me.
Sheila, thank you so much.
We'll go to the website.
Able Child was President Eisenhower's big push.
I want to thank you for standing watch.
For America's sons.
Really appreciate it.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
God bless you, Steve.
steve bannon
Thanks.
Okay, we're going to come back.
This massive fight that's going on about where your money's being spent.
A big part of that is clearly Ukraine, and they are pushing this nonstop.
They got to get that 60 or 80 billion.
So Ben Harnwell from Rome is going to join us about all of that, get us up to speed.
Also, the Synod on Synality, I can't even, it's so bizarre, I can't even talk about it.
It's another radical movement by this fake Pope Francis.
We're going to get into that too.
Also, we're going to have our brother Crouch on here to talk about Gun safety.
How to use your weapon better and how to avoid the cost right now of gun ranges and the ammo cost.
Not that you don't need to go to a gun range on occasion, but you got to get better with your weapon.
Particularly if you're new to weapons.
Young people, wives, daughters, girlfriends are just getting their first weapon.
You need to use your own weapon.
You need to know how to use it.
And Joe Crouch is going to be here to talk all about that.
Short commercial break.
We'll be back in a second.
We're going to go to Rome with the one and only Ben Hardenwald.
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Joe Crouch now in very uncertain times, more than ever.
People, particularly young people and wives and girlfriends and others, are just coming to understanding the need for self-defense and really have the first time having their weapon, need to do repetition, just like in football, just like in golf, just like in tennis.
The book written by, who is it, Glasner, 10,000, you know, the 10,000 repetitions you need to get really proficient at something.
You provide a service to do that, iTarget.
It's too expensive to go to the range.
You should go to the range on occasion, but ammo and range time, et cetera, plus the ability to use your own weapon, sometimes is limited.
Why is iTarget solve that problem and solve it for the American people today?
unidentified
Yeah, thank you, Steve.
Yeah, well, it does take a lot of reps and it can get expensive if you're going to go to the range to practice as much as you really should be practicing.
And so what iTarget is, is we sell a laser bullet that's caliber specific.
And so then it drops down into your firearm, goes right into the chamber.
And then we have two different products.
On the screen here is the iTarget Cubes.
And this gives you multiple targets to shoot at.
And it times you on how fast you can shoot them.
So it runs on a phone app.
cubes beep and then you shoot them. So it tells you exactly how fast it took you to shoot all of them.
So you can set them out throughout your house, do clearing drills, or you can do head-to-head competition.
It just makes it more fun to practice.
And then we have the original iTarget Pro product.
And on this one, it's your phone's camera looks at the target, and then you shoot the target with the gun.
And you see on the phone screen there, it puts the bullet holes exactly where you hit the target.
And so this allows you to not only practice more often, but because it's fun to do and you're actually seeing the results right away, the app saves your results.
You can see how you're progressing and getting better over time.
And it's 100% safe because there's no way with a.
You know, there's no ammo at all.
There's nothing in the magazine.
And the laser goes right where the bullet would go, so there's no way you can have an accidental misfire.
So that makes it a great way to teach other people that are new or nervous around the gun and don't know how to handle it properly, so you can safely teach them and train them.
And I invented the product originally because my wife was like that.
She was very scared to touch the gun.
And so now she enjoys going to the gun range and shooting an AR-15 and all that.
And these times I think anyone that doesn't have a gun should probably have one.
I just placed a new order for the iTarget sledge yesterday, my manufacturing plants in California.
And the guy there said that the gun stores are selling out because Jewish people for the first time are buying guns and they need to be training.
Everyone needs to be training.
steve bannon
No, you got to train and that's why our target is so fantastic.
Kenneth, you work on every gun, every caliber.
If people, when they go to your site, do they have to be caliber specific?
How do they order and do you cover everything?
unidentified
We cover most.
The 22 is too small for the laser and the battery.
So we don't have the 22, but all the common handgun calibers we have, and we have the AR-15 and the AK-47 calibers and the 300 blackout caliber for rifles.
As we get more requests, we're continuing to expand our caliber, uh, range, but for the handguns, we got most every common caliber covered.
Uh, we even have them for revolvers.
steve bannon
Where do people, where do people go right now, Joe, to, uh, to make sure to check this out and see if it's right for them and the family.
unidentified
Yeah, Steve, uh, it's all about our website at www.itargetpro.com.
And we're running a special on the cubes.
If they use the code WarRoom20, they get 20% off of those.
So it's a good deal on them.
It's the best price we've ever had.
steve bannon
No, and the cube is a great way to participate and to think it through and do a little more complicated evolutions of what we call in the military.
Joe Crouch, it's an amazing product.
Very proud to be one of your partners on this because everybody needs it.
Remember, you need to do reps and you need to do reps with your weapon.
Only way you're going to get proficient.
Particularly if the store is saying that Jewish people now are buying weapons.
This is all about repetitions.
If you buy it, and it's great and expensive, it just sits there.
It's not going to, in that emergency, when you need it most, you need to, you can't think about it.
You've got to react, just like in sports.
It's reaction time.
unidentified
Exactly.
Too many people buy it, lock it in a safe, and never use it.
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Never use it.
And it'll never be, by the way, that means it'll never be used.
You didn't buy it.
As a static display.
You bought it as a dynamic instrument.
Joe Crouch and the team at iTarget show you how to be dynamic.
Joe, thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Harnwell.
Thanks, brother.
Harnwell, Rome.
Ben, okay, Austin's sitting there today testifying that if you don't give the $80 billion today or the $60 billion, we're going to be fighting a land war with American boys and girls.
against Russia very quickly.
I mean, the hype is so over the top.
McConnell's now agreed.
He knows he's got a problem.
He wants to throw some border security trinkets on there.
You were the guy in the middle of the night that got the Time Magazine article to me.
It was so blow away that I actually put it up as soon as I read it.
Walk me through where we stand, particularly as it dawns on Zelensky that Mershimer might have been right, and he was led down the primrose path by the party of Davos, sir.
ben harnwell
Steve, good evening to you.
Yeah, this article here, as you say, is up on Steve Bannon right now.
I'll be posting the link to that myself.
It's an astonishing article.
I would change the headline.
I would call it an anatomy of a discard.
That's really what this is.
It's a breaking down, an analytical breaking down of precisely how President Zelensky has been discarded by the very people who were encouraging him.
to fight with every means possible against Russia.
Really, as you say, as Professor Mearsheimer said, he's been walked down the primrose path.
There's one quote here, however, that I want to read out, which isn't actually to do with the discard.
And it dovetails precisely into your question, right, about Lloyd Austin and Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham and all the rest of them, right?
I'm just going to read this directly.
said the journalist speaking.
I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds.
But when I made this point to a top presidential advisor in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely.
Simon, said the journalist, you're mistaken.
People are stealing like there's no tomorrow.
Now, If the War Room had sub-edited this article, that would have been the headline, you know, and it would be in prime position on Time magazine's website.
It's not.
This is buried right down at the bottom.
This is October, Steve.
When senators like Mitch McConnell and and Lindsey Graham are wobbling on bifurcating funding, separating Ukraine out from Israel.
This expression should be tattooed on every single one of their foreheads.
People are stealing like there's no tomorrow.
Steve, what are they stealing with?
Well, they're stealing with American taxpayers' money.
That's the reality on the ground.
And as interesting as it is, That revelation, I would concentrate on the fact that this has made it through into the final copy.
This is clearly what we've been saying for months now, Steve, that President, really back from the NATO Annual General Meeting in Lithuania in Vilnius, I think it was June or July this year, the famous photograph, the family photo, when Zelensky was there standing on his own, looking at the camera, totally abandoned.
We said that very day, this is the moment that you'll look back on.
People will look back on.
And say this is when the discard started, as he slowly started to be discarded.
And articles like this, that are published, dropped right in the middle of a primary battle now for funds for Ukraine.
It's not an accident.
I would suggest this is to be seen in the fact that Zelensky is being left now to twist in the wind.
I know I don't have very much time.
steve bannon
There is very quickly… But hang on, hang on, hang on, before we go to that, because this is central to this.
What happens… Because right now I can tell you, and I want the audience to understand it, the Hastert rule is a rule created a couple decades ago that had to be agreed upon because there was so much vitriol in the House even then, that unless a majority of the majority, unless a majority of the Republican conference supports a bill coming to the floor, it can't come.
Right now I can tell you that if they abide by that rule, there'd be no movement going forward on a Ukraine bill at all.
And Ukraine's out of cash.
What happens With all the big talk in Europe and NATO and the EU and Davos and all that, what, in your mind, if, because I'm telling you, I think this is the hill a lot of MAGA, a lot of America First, a lot of right-wingers are going to die on, is to stop the Ukraine, right?
Focus on the border, obviously, but stop, if you stop Ukraine, other good things will happen later.
What will happen in your mind right now, given these reports you've been reading from The Guardian, from Time Magazine and from others, Of Zelensky's regime?
ben harnwell
I don't know.
I really don't know how this is going to pan out.
Potentially Zelensky, his family, perhaps some key ministers, could flee the country.
Potentially they could sit and try and divide the country more formally, like Vichy France did in the Second World War.
You know, it's not really at this point, Steve, in the game.
It's not really now.
I think Zelensky's A game to call.
It really depends on what Vladimir Putin wants to do in the event of the Ukrainian implosion.
I think that's probably now the dynamic.
Look, Steve, we've been saying for so long that the window to negotiate, for Zelensky to negotiate from a position of relative strength was closing.
He's missed it now.
So really I think This is the case of sitting by now, seeing what the Russians will do, because the West is extremely overextended.
steve bannon
Yeah, but Ben, hang on.
You were in the European Parliament.
You're an astute observer of British politics, European politics.
You've been in Rome for over a decade now, I think.
You're obviously a huge hit here on The War Room.
You've done great work.
Europe and the European project put so much into this.
Leaving aside the American Atlanticists and Globalists, I'm just talking about Europe.
How can you be uncertain that Europe wouldn't come together somehow and at least figure out how to scrape up the money to keep Zelensky at least on life support?
I mean this has been their project for the last two years.
Regardless of Putin, to not see this through to the bitter end.
The moment they throw in the towel is the moment I think the entire European project It comes up for question because a lot of these populist political parties are going to sit there and go, hey, how much of our money did you piss away on something that you couldn't see through to the end, sir?
ben harnwell
Well, the European peoples are all moving away and have been moving away for about a year at different speeds, admittedly, different degrees, but they have been moving away from supporting the European, the Western, the NATO, the American-led support of Ukraine.
So, in one sense, I think various countries will sigh of relief Because they don't feel particularly invested in supporting Ukraine.
The political elites, which you specifically referred to in your question, well, you know, they have another distraction now with which to try to hypnotise their people, and that is Israel.
So in one sense, if they are able to conduct a pivot away from Ukraine onto Israel, well, It would really take a watchdog media holding people, governments to account far greater than the one we have in reality for governments to be scared.
I think it's more than, they're sociopaths, I think it's more than within their capacity to leave Zelensky, say look well we did what we could, we let you know, But now is not the time to escalate, given various global dynamics.
Everyone will admit we did what we could.
These people are brazen and they can say anything they like.
To the degree that they'll be held accountable at the elections, I think it will depend on a country by country basis.
But as I say, the centre of gravity is moving.
populists and nationalists are doing very well all around Europe.
steve bannon
I want to come back.
I want to do the Synod tomorrow because I've got a couple more questions here and we're running out of time.
Last question.
Is the European media reporting, because you're part of the War Room, you're our international editor, Do they get the level of animosity, not just by the right wing, but all of MAGA, many centrist Republicans, and quite frankly, now centrist Democrats, on we're just over Ukraine?
I mean, that article in Time Magazine was brutal.
Everybody's got to read it.
It's free.
I've got it up on Getter.
Ben Harnwell has it up.
You've got to read this because this guy, Simon Schuster, remember, he's no lover of MAGA.
And this is the most brutal takedown I've ever seen.
And he's trying to actually, I think, be supportive of Zelensky.
I don't think he's trying to do this from a bad place.
But does European media or the European people understand how controversial this is in the United States and how it's probably over?
ben harnwell
I don't think so.
And probably the motive for that, Steve, is because Europe really doesn't tend to get American politics that well.
It has a very superficial reading, in the same way that sort of a lot of the American mainstream media doesn't really understand European politics either.
So I think there's, you know, there's the distance, the cultural distance, a linguistic difference.
I don't think there is a sufficient degree You know, it'd be very great if people here in Europe did understand the degree of anger and rage in the United States right now, because it would give an impetus to the populist and nationalist movements over here.
This is one of the great things that you did, Steve, when you came over here.
um so a number of years ago and sort of rallying these people to let them know that they're not just that sort of eccentric uh uh uh voices shattering out in the wilderness they're part of a global movement now obviously from country to country the the iteration will change of of how that plays out um but i think it would help you know look you've got me you've got me here in um in in in in rome in the open union
We're talking pretty much to a predominantly, not exclusively, but to a predominantly American audience.
There's nothing really like this from the United States beaming into continental Europe to sort of give an analysis of what people are thinking and why they're thinking that from our perspective.
I don't know if that sort of answers the question a little bit more.
Perhaps they certainly should be.
steve bannon
Ben, how did they get to your... and by the way, I'm insanely jealous of your engagement on Getter.
I've never seen anything like it.
You put up these incredibly controversial posts and the engagement is just insane and the comments are incredible.
How do people get to your Getter account?
ben harnwell
Steve, acing social media isn't as easy as I make it look.
I wish I could...
I wish I could actually say that with a Queen's accent to give it its full potency.
Look, folks, come to the warroom.org website, which is great.
Grace and Mo do a fantastic job keeping everything on that.
Come to that.
We have our exclusive newsletter there.
Just register for that there, then you'll get my comments there.
You can come to Bannon's War Room, which is our channel on Rumble.
Great commentary on the videos that we upload there.
And of course, the best, you just mentioned it, the best profile on the platform, on the GitHub platform, at Steve Bannon.
If you want to read my somewhat tame offerings that Steve reposts, if you want the hardcore stuff, which is too crazy, Just come to atHarnwell, which is where I am there.
Thanks, Steve.
God bless.
steve bannon
Ben, thank you so much.
I look forward, you're going to be a big part of this debate here in the United States.
Look forward to talking to you tomorrow.
Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell
God bless.
steve bannon
Head of our International Bureau out of Rome.
We're going to get back into this tomorrow.
We'll be back at 10 o'clock.
I'll be up on Getter throughout the evening too, posting different things.
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