Oct. 9, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is what you're fighting for. | ||
| I mean, every day you're out there. | ||
| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. | ||
| It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
| All this nonsense, all this spin. | ||
| They can't handle the truth. | ||
| War Room Battleground. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It's spread now into the Middle East, a day of really intense bombing and beginning of ground operations in Israel. | ||
| I want to bring in Ben Harnwell from Rome. | ||
| Ben, thank you very much. | ||
| You've been following it, as you always have, as our international editor. | ||
| Give me the crown heads of Europe, the European governments. | ||
| Where do they stand right now? | ||
| You know, they've always been almost more pro-Palestinian than pro-Israel. | ||
| Where's all that breaking out right now with these governments about what's happening? | ||
| Because the initial assault was barbaric. | ||
| But the hit back is not been exactly a day at the beach. | ||
| I mean, they're coming in hard. | ||
| They bombed earlier today. | ||
| They bombed Gaza like strategic bombing was done in Dresden. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Well, starting off from the European capitals, you know, there has been a certain, you know, we have large Islamic populations here across all of the EU. | ||
| Countries. | ||
| So there is a rather, you know, let's say more nuanced position with regards to to Israel and the Middle East than in the United States, which is almost really the political class, the 100 percent pro-Israel. | ||
| But it is still pro-Israel overwhelmingly in the European Union. | ||
| And with that said, even though like the left, the left wing parties specifically tend to tack a lot more closely, more sympathetically with the PLO, | ||
| I would say, however, they have, you know, most of the European capitals have been bounced into supporting Israel, probably even more full-throatedly than they would otherwise have wished, because on Twitter, X and other social media platforms, what have you, we're seeing, you know, in European capitals, groups | ||
| of presumably Muslim affiliated youths dancing in the streets and celebrating and waving the Palestinian flag. | ||
| And that has sort of bounced respective European governments into coming down quite harshly and being even more pro-Israel in their response. | ||
| But I have to say, it has been pretty pro-Israel right from the beginning, right from Saturday morning onwards. | ||
| Are they, do you think there's going to be any intimidation at all? | ||
| Do you expect, I mean, they're always worried about these sleeper cell assaults. | ||
| Are the European governments worried about there could be, this could expand, particularly as Israel hits back? | ||
| I mean, the U's are dancing up and down because Hamas took them by surprise. | ||
| But this hit back, and Bibi notified, Netanyahu notified Biden. | ||
| A ground campaign is going to start in the next 48 hours. | ||
| Do you anticipate there could be activity in these no-go zones, in these capitals? | ||
| I mean, France is a disaster. | ||
| Holland's a disaster. | ||
| Belgium, I mean, these places are infested with radical Muslim jihad. | ||
| I personally would absolutely be very, very attentive to the possibility that there will be reactions from sleeper cells here within continental Europe. | ||
| And let's not forget that in terms of BP's conversation yesterday with President Biden about the ground offensive, Biden asked him about the hostages situations and whether the ground offensive will be affected Regarding that dynamic, and Bibi was basically, we are going in because we have no choice. | ||
| So whether they turn the whole of the Gaza Strip into a car park, I'm not sure. | ||
| But if they're willing, basically, to go in and it's not, they're not going to go in to play a patty cake. | ||
| This is serious. | ||
| And if that if the instance and the consideration of hostages is now secondary, we can have an idea of. | ||
| Now, I don't I use the word cautiously when I say. | ||
| Now, let's say I was going to say brutal. | ||
| It's going to be a brutal response. | ||
| I'll go ahead with that word. | ||
| It's going to be brutal. | ||
| And that will, I think. | ||
| I'm not saying it's disproportionate according to the Hamas attacks, but it will be. | ||
| It's going to it's going to be an ambiguous response. | ||
| That, I think, will almost certainly increase the anger from the from the sellers that you were mentioning. | ||
| As I say, I mean, these clips are widely spread on. | ||
| I've got something in fact, you know, I never mentioned my Twitter feed because I very, very, very, very rarely post on it. | ||
| I did post something on my own Twitter feed of youths celebrating. | ||
| They're going to be tipping over from celebration into aggression. | ||
| How that manifests itself, we'll have to wait and see, but there's definitely going to be something else for sure. | ||
| Talk to me about BBC and the media. | ||
| I mean, right now they're playing it because the initial assault was so brutal and so savage against youth. | ||
| But how long does it take for BBC, because correct me if I'm wrong, has the BBC been one of the biggest pro-Palestinian and really playing patty cake with terrorist news organizations? | ||
| Yes, the BBC and the British Labour Party as well, especially under Jeremy Corbyn. | ||
| And then you have George Galloway, who's a longstanding Scottish Member of Parliament for the Labour Party, now somewhat of a far-left media celebrity. | ||
| These people like this have been Jeremy Corbyn, I just mentioned, the former leader, now expelled from the Labour Party by Keir Starmer. | ||
| You do have these points, lightning rods, if you will, who've been very, very explicit in their support of the Palestinian cause. | ||
| And the BBC has naturally been, it's probably been, its editorial policy, I would say 45, 40 percent in favor of Israel and the rest in favor of the PLO over recent decades. | ||
| But that said, right now, as we're speaking, the response hasn't, you know, it's full on. | ||
| It's, you know, it's like, look, what did Nikki Haley come out and say? | ||
| Yesterday, I'm going to quote this because it's an indication. | ||
| She said this is not just an attack on Israel. | ||
| It's an attack on America. | ||
| The BBC, in a certain respect, certain sense, certain respects, along with the rest of the British mainstream media, is very much still at the moment for Israel. | ||
| When, of course, Steve, the ground offensive starts in the Gaza Strip, Let me play. | ||
| I want to play Jeremy Bash. | ||
| We did part of this in the morning show. | ||
| I want to play this for the audience. | ||
| Remember this audience. | ||
| or trying to pull out bodies from under the rubble. | ||
| When these things start to increase in number, perhaps there'll be a change of position. | ||
| But right now it is totally, I think, in Israel's favor. | ||
| Let me play, I wanna play Jeremy Bash. | ||
| We did part of this in the morning show. | ||
| I wanna play this for the audience. | ||
| Remember this audience, Kevin McCarthy is running, is gonna run and be put in nomination to run for the speaker. | ||
| He's using Israel as his wedge back into this. | ||
| You should understand what the apparatus in town has in store and what they're, I'll let Jeremy, Jeremy Bash is a former chief of staff over the Central Intelligence Agency. | ||
| He is a regular on MSNBC. | ||
| Alex Witt is interviewing him. | ||
| Even she's in shock. | ||
| I want to play this in its entirety, Ben, because what he's talking about is what Dan Crenshaw's maspatory fantasy has been, a kind of a war to end all wars. | ||
| This is where it starts getting apocalyptic. | ||
| Book of Revelations, come and see type of thing. | ||
| Let's go ahead and hear Bash and I'll bring you in. | ||
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Are you reading anything between the lines in Secretary Blinken's response there? | |
| Well, he acknowledged that we were all caught off guard. | ||
| I think by definition, this is an intelligence failure, but it's actually more than that. | ||
| It's also a border security failure. | ||
| And I think the question, Alex, at this hour is, where will Israel go next? | ||
| I mean, certainly they will battle Palestinian terrorists that have infiltrated the country. | ||
| They'll stage hospital rescue operations. | ||
| And then we can expect a comprehensive Thorough degradation and destruction of Hamas's war-making capabilities inside Gaza. | ||
| I think the question is, will the violence spread to the West Bank? | ||
| And more fundamentally, will Israel launch military attacks? | ||
| And by the way, I think they would be absolutely justified in doing so against other Iranian proxies around the region, because after all, Hamas's main patron is Iran. | ||
| Which does not want to see greater integration, greater peace between Israel and the Arab states. | ||
| So, on that front, Hezbollah, given the military might of Hezbollah, how delicately does Israel have to approach something like that if they choose to engage them forcefully? | ||
| Zero delicateness, if you will. | ||
| I think they're going to deal with Hezbollah with a very tough iron fist. | ||
| Hezbollah is a terrorist military that has about 200,000 medium and long-range ballistic missiles aimed directly at Israel. | ||
| Israel is a pretty small country. | ||
| You know, nine million people about the size of Rhode Island, one main populated center around Tel Aviv. | ||
| Israeli officials refer to the country as a country of just 100 targets. | ||
| If a terrorist military with ballistic missiles can fire 100 targets strategically at the center point of Israel, it's going to be a very difficult day for Israelis. | ||
| And they know that. | ||
| The Israeli civil defense authorities have the civilian population well trained to scurry into bomb shelters. | ||
| The United States has helped field the Iron Dome anti-rocket artillery and mortar batteries to support Israel's defense. | ||
| So Israel may have to go on the offensive across the northern border, not only into Lebanon, But also into Syria to take out Hezbollah and other Iranian proxy positions. | ||
| And I wouldn't be surprised, Alex, if Israel also undertook operations as far as the Persian Gulf to take out Iranian naval assets and even their air assets. | ||
| Because if Iran is behind this attack, then Israel, as I said, would be completely justified in launching such operations. | ||
| We in the United States would do precisely that. | ||
| Got to tell you, Jeremy, what you are laying out as possible, it is an all out Middle East war. | ||
| Is this scenario something that you can see playing out in the near future? | ||
| I can. | ||
| I mean, I think Israel's calculus is going to be... Israel is on the path to some very significant diplomatic breakthroughs here with the Saudis. | ||
| And if they can get assurances from the United States and the Saudis and the Emiratis and other Gulf countries, That, you know, Israel is going to be able to make peace and have normalization, and that's going to continue, and that these military operations are not going to affect that, then I think Israel is going to go very far in conducting those military operations. | ||
| You know, if Hamas succeeds, and they in some ways thwart the diplomatic efforts, then it's going to have to be sequenced. | ||
| Israel is going to first have to deal with the terrorists, first have to deal with Iran, first have to deal with the threats to its citizenry and its borders, and then pursue peace and normalization in sequence. | ||
| But, you know, this is going to be Israel's play to call, and I think the United States is going to stand foursquare behind Israel, which is what you've heard so far from the President. | ||
| from the Secretary of State and every other senior Biden administration official. | ||
| And by the way, this is bipartisan. | ||
| You see it on Capitol Hill as well. | ||
| There's bipartisan support for Israel at this hour, as there should be. | ||
| There's bipartisan support, but I don't know if there's bipartisan support for a—that is a massive, all-out Middle East war that would suck the whole world into it. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, your thoughts and observations on this, sir? | ||
| Well, you know, you finished before going to that clip, you just you were mentioning about Armageddon, right? | ||
| That's that's reference and revelation that's mentioned in Revelation 16, 16. | ||
| But if you want to know where that is, folks, it's just off the northern tip of the West Bank, Mount Mount Megiddo. | ||
| I, you know, personally, I'm just keeping one eye on that corner of the world right now because of the various dynamics that's taking place. | ||
| You know, that guy was probably correct when he mentions that Iran was probably the sponsor behind Hamas. | ||
| Worth mentioning that both Antony Blinken and the IDF have. | ||
| I've both come out in the last 24 hours and say they're not aware their intelligences aren't, their respective intelligences aren't aware of any of any links to Iran at this stage. | ||
| However, you know, that would probably be my money in terms, simply because Iran is desperate to be the regional hegemon that cannot allow the normalisation process that was due to take place. | ||
| between Saudi Arabia and Israel. | ||
| John Kirby came out 10 days ago saying that the basic framework for this was in place. | ||
| It would have also actually been quite an uptick, I think, running into the Biden administration, generally running into November of next year. | ||
| That's presumably, Steve, I don't know what your thoughts on this are, but that's presumably now blown out of the water for the time being. | ||
| But you do have this dynamic that Saudi Arabia is, of course, run by The Saudi family, which is sunny. | ||
| Hamas is sunny. | ||
| Afghanistan is sunny. | ||
| Iran is Shia. | ||
| So it has to maintain its status, to augment its status in the Middle East. | ||
| It has a double game that it has to play. | ||
| To use Hamas as the principal That's the principle vehicle for blowing up the perspective piece in the Middle East. | ||
| Remove Saudi Arabia from the United States orbit to the extent that it is in the United States orbit and then sort of try and dominate itself. | ||
| Because of course, Iran is a huge country population wise. | ||
| The other countries are far smaller. | ||
| So there is that there is that wider game. | ||
| But right now, I don't think that the link between Hamas and Iran on this has been exposed, but it's almost certainly there. | ||
| You said something, Steve, I really do want to come in on this, having spoken Earlier on in the morning show, you cited the fact that Israel had said that this was their Pearl Harbour and 9-11 phone joint together. | ||
| That's very curious, you know, and you mentioned that you sort of read Basically, all of the documents on both those instances. | ||
| That's a pretty cryptic, I think, metaphor for Israel to make, given that there's a large number of people that suggest Roosevelt over the heads of the Navy, obviously, but had manoeuvred the Pacific fleet around its base at Pearl Harbor to provoke Japan into firing, as it were, the first shot to then enter the Second World War. | ||
| And of course, I don't need to go on right now, but I'm sure the war imposter will be very versant and fluent with the various theories regarding 9-11. | ||
| I would just like to suggest that if it was Israel's long-term ambition to go in and flatten the Gaza Strip, Giving, you know, giving them the opportunity to launch this attack. | ||
| And then, you know, on the out, you know, as I mentioned, the Nikki Haley quote, which is broadly, I think, in a single sentence, representative of the whole global mainstream media opinion right now, it has given Israel a very comfortable position PR wise to go in with a free hand and do what it wants in the Gaza Strip. | ||
| I would only note in closing on this point, Steve, that the world had been obsessed the last 18 months, had been absolutely obsessed with Ukraine. | ||
| Who's talking about Ukraine in the last 48 hours? | ||
| That's another dynamic that we're going to need to cover now, because I think the situation there will change very quickly. | ||
| I want to cover Ukraine here in a second, but do we have the Brennan? | ||
| Brennan's not ready yet? | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Let me know when that's ready. | ||
| Yeah, I'll tell you what, let's play Brennan right now. | ||
| I want your response to this. | ||
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Former CIA Director John Brennan, you've worked in national security, you've worked in the field, you've worked in the region. | |
| How did Israel's vaunted intelligence network and military and the U.S. | ||
| not see this coming? | ||
| Well, that's a good question, Andrea, and I think there were a lot of failures that led up to this. | ||
| Clearly, the Israelis didn't have the either human or technical sources that gave them insight into this. | ||
| It also, I think, is increasingly apparent now that they misread a lot of the signals that were coming out of Gaza in terms of activities that the Hamas members were engaged in. | ||
| Also, I think they've misread Hamas's intentions. | ||
| I think they were relying heavily on the work visas that they were giving to the Gazan workers and believing that the money going into Gaza was going to appease a Palestinian ire over their situation in Gaza. | ||
| So I think there was just a lot of misreading and a lot of missteps and miscalculations that went into this. | ||
| And I know the Israelis are going to be doing a post-mortem. | ||
| But also, I think, fundamentally, I think Khabibi Netanyahu and a lot of Israeli politicians I believe that by establishing relations with Arab states, such as Bahrain and the Emirates, Sudan, Morocco, and potentially Saudi Arabia, that that was going to reduce or eliminate the risk that they face over the course of many, many decades. | ||
| But none of these steps really have addressed the Palestinian concerns. | ||
| So I think it just increased the militancy of Hamas in engaging in these horrific, unconscionable acts of violence against the Israelis. | ||
| But unfortunately, I think it's been a brewing for many, many years. | ||
| But I think the tactical missteps over the past several months in terms of not seeing that this was going to happen, such a large, multi-dimensional, multi-pronged attack, this clearly was a failure of epic proportions. | ||
| Well, clearly, Hamas... | ||
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| I'm talking Brennan, he's always lecturing you about the intel. | ||
| They're a disgrace. | ||
| I can't imagine the CIA, the NSA, Mossad, and IDF intelligence, Israeli Defense Force intelligence missed this. | ||
| Just don't believe it. | ||
| Sorry, I don't. | ||
| Look, this was a massive military strike over a vast geographic area, given the space. | ||
| It was air, it was land, it was sea. | ||
| They had planning, logistics, finance, training, recruitment, all of it. | ||
| And nobody's talking about the fact they had inbeds. | ||
| They actually had Palestinian journalists. | ||
| I mean, they were jumping up and down from the very beginning and blowing out on social media to Europe and other places throughout the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa and North Africa. | ||
| So there was massive celebration, like in 9-11. | ||
| This was highly coordinated. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, thoughts? | ||
| Steve, I couldn't put it any better myself. | ||
| I don't believe that Mossad and the CIA, that this took them by surprise. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| I posted, perhaps a little edgy, but I posted on Getter late last night a collection of all the European capitals, including the United States. | ||
| That came out, it was the very statements that came out on Saturday morning. | ||
| Saturday morning, who's in the office? | ||
| Which civil servants? | ||
| Which press spokesman? | ||
| Which ministers are in the office on a Saturday morning? | ||
| Within hours, Steve, within hours of these attacks, this invasion, they'd all produced almost an identically worded, with identical phraseology statement. | ||
| That's on my Getty feed if folks want to track that down. | ||
| So I don't believe it. | ||
| I'll just put that out there. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| They knew this. | ||
| They let it happen. | ||
| I haven't seen anything yet that will make me change my mind. | ||
| What Brennan was saying just now, Steve, obviously, it's the CIA line to take. | ||
| I know that, though, because I have an article here right in front of me that I was looking at this morning on Reuters headlines. | ||
| I don't think I sent it through right. | ||
| Excuse me, I don't think I sent it through, but the headline is how Hamas duped Israel as it plans devastating attack. | ||
| And that's that's basically word for word what Brennan was just saying. | ||
| So this is obviously a CIA line that they sent out to compliant and compliant media, which is obviously only too happy to pick that up. | ||
| And, you know, this article here that I mentioned, they talk here that that Hamas had actually constructed a mock Israeli settlement in Gaza, where they practiced a military landing and trained to storm it. | ||
| And they had videos of these manoeuvres. | ||
| And then there's a quote there saying Israel surely saw them, but they were convinced that Hamas wasn't keen on getting into a confrontation, which is sort of the ridiculous Things that Brennan was saying. | ||
| You know, Steve, as you would say, as you do say when they push out this kind of thing, that's how dumb they think we are. | ||
| No, they knew. | ||
| The Israelis knew that this was taking place. | ||
| That was hence my earlier comments about Pearl Harbor. | ||
| They knew this was taking place and they let it happen because fundamentally it will be advantageous for what Israel hopes to achieve. | ||
| Walk me through Ukraine. | ||
| Particularly now here in the United States, there's zero chance there's going to be a firestorm about giving another penny over there. | ||
| And we hear that Biden is trying to work out a program for $100 billion, $24 billion coming in the first package, and they're going to try to wrap it now. | ||
| Instead of border security, that's been forgotten. | ||
| They're going to try to wrap it with a new package for Israel. | ||
| Yeah, Zelensky came out with a statement saying that The need for NATO to maintain unity. | ||
| This is not the time to withdraw from the international arena into internal disputes. | ||
| This is not a time to isolate ourselves. | ||
| No one's listening now. | ||
| Really, this is the consequence of the global mainstream media. | ||
| Having an inability to walk and chew gum at the same time. | ||
| It's simply one issue, one issue and one issue alone that they're going to hammer in on. | ||
| And Zelensky had his time in the sun, 18 months. | ||
| Really, it's now, he's not getting it. | ||
| You know how closely I follow the international news. | ||
| I think we've had a reduction in about 90% of stories on Ukraine in the last 48 hours. | ||
| No, there's going to be no money, I don't think, from the United States. | ||
| I'm fairly sure there's going to be no money now from the United States going to Ukraine. | ||
| The fight on, you know, Nikki Haley's given a ridiculous statement. | ||
| She's agitating for the United States to act and react as if it itself had been attacked by Hamas, and I think that's where the political class is going to be. | ||
| It's not where MAGA is. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| MAGA is fighting this. | ||
| MAGA is trying to be the sensitivity. | ||
| How'd they get to your social media, Ben? | ||
| Thank you so much, Steve. | ||
| Simply get the exclusive newsletters that come out on warren.org. | ||
| Come on to the best profile the best platform on on getter that at steve bannon because he's very kindly repost me and then also um steve bannon's war room on rumble thank you ben and by the way you get many you get you get you get you get many more likes than i do as i've noticed the war is your commentary thanks brother thank you brother back in a moment you | ||
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well right now mr. speaker congress is paralyzed because of course eight republicans joined with every democrat to evict you from the speaker's chair uh last week The Republicans meet tomorrow. | |
| If there is a deadlock, and I fear there might be, would you be willing to stand up and become the Speaker again? | ||
| Look, the conference has to make that decision. | ||
| I'm still a member. | ||
| I'm going to continue to fight and act. | ||
| I know what it means to have a strong America and a strong relationship with Israel. | ||
| From every term I've been in, I have led all the freshmen to Israel. | ||
| My first trip as speaker was to Israel to speak at the Knesset at the 75th anniversary of the creation of Israel. | ||
| We need to not part in any way and show no weakness here. | ||
| And we've got to understand that this is not an interaction like we've had before. | ||
| This is something That hasn't happened in 50 years. | ||
| We have to understand as Americans, and I've got to give you a lot of credit because you have always talked about foreign policy, but even on your tweets, what this means to America, what happened in Israel, when there are 700 Israelis going to 800 who were murdered, that is equivalent of almost 30,000 of Americans. | ||
| If you take the size and America has to understand what's going on. | ||
| This is not a time for what's happening in our colleges. | ||
| This is a time for strength. | ||
| This is a time to stand together. | ||
| This is a time for assistance. | ||
| And this is a time for Congress to speak as one voice. | ||
| So I want to come back and press you a little bit. | ||
| Let me go back, Mr. Speaker, because I do fear a deadlock, because I know that there are hundreds of Kevin, it was eight Republicans brought you down. | ||
| I don't know if they can change their mind, but I don't think we're going to get to a speaker other than Kevin McCarthy this week, and we can't not have a speaker right now. | ||
| Would you be willing to go back if those eight retreated? | ||
| Look, whatever the conference wants, I will do. | ||
| I think we need to be strong. | ||
| I think we need to be united. | ||
| The eight, in my view, don't look to be that it was a personal thing, it wasn't about Where we are going. | ||
| Think for one moment. | ||
| If you take some of their comments of why they did this, because they kept the government open, could you imagine? | ||
| They're the ones that stopped appropriation bills from going forward. | ||
| They're the ones who voted against the continuing resolution that secured our border and cut spending. | ||
| They're the ones who wanted a government shutdown. | ||
| We wouldn't be paying our troops while we're putting out a carrier strike fighter there? | ||
| 30,000 American men and women? | ||
| What did he say right there about the southern border? | ||
| That's the priority. | ||
| He's trying to use the Israel situation. | ||
| The attack on innocent Israelis. | ||
| This was a military operation. | ||
| This was not terrorism. | ||
| Coordinated by and funded by the Persians. | ||
| This is a deadly strike and he's trying to leverage this to get himself back in. | ||
| Make sure you're at the ramparts of this. | ||
| Has he mentioned the southern border? | ||
| Has he mentioned the crisis in financing the government? | ||
| Those are the existential threats. | ||
| The attack on Israel is not an existential threat to the United States of America. | ||
| We need to protect Israel. | ||
| We need to stand with Israel. | ||
| And what we need to do right now is to make sure that the Persians and Hezbollah and all their proxies are not escalating this. | ||
| That's what we need to do now. | ||
| And all they're doing is this rush to a major and massive Middle East war. | ||
| Remember President Trump said today earlier in the speech about the reinsertion of the travel ban. | ||
| Because this is the problem we've got. | ||
| We've had an invasion on the United States of America. | ||
| We've had an invasion on the United States of America. | ||
| President Trump's trying to take it from the international. | ||
| Why would we allow now what Biden has done going soft on terrorism? | ||
| And that didn't even include the southern border. | ||
| We have been invaded, full stop. | ||
| And we need to get on top of this. | ||
| I got to tell you this, this could not be more dire. | ||
| It could not be, um, uh, a situation that could be worse for us. | ||
| And no, you see right there, did he mention one thing on the Southern border? | ||
| This is, he's trying to leverage himself back in on this, uh, on the, uh, the Israeli situation and it has to be shut down. | ||
| He's already announced he's running. | ||
| He's going to put himself in, he's going to get himself put in nomination. | ||
| So this has to be shut down. | ||
| You gotta tell your representatives, under no circumstances, Kevin McCarthy, there can be no return to the cartel government. | ||
| And to use the situation in Israel, and he's sitting there bragging, I've been to Israel 12 times. | ||
| How many times have you been to the southern border, bro? | ||
| I know you went down at least twice for optics, for photo ops. | ||
| You never lifted a finger. | ||
| You did not lift a finger. | ||
| And don't give me the, oh, H.R. | ||
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| What did you do about impeaching Mayorkas? | ||
| What did you do about shutting down, cutting off money? | ||
| What did you do about moving down and actually having, making the Capitol, making Congress actually, the House of Representatives actually meet down in McAllen, Texas? | ||
| What did you actually do to stop it? | ||
| Here's what you did. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Because the moneyed interest don't want it to stop. | ||
| Okay, massive news out of 60 Minutes last night. | ||
| The Millie thing I will get to later. | ||
| I'm going to have to do that tomorrow. | ||
| Let's go ahead. | ||
| I got Joe Allen because they dropped another bomb, a massive bomb on 60 Minutes last night. | ||
| I want to make sure you're not missing this on artificial intelligence because as important as everything's going in the Middle East and Ukraine, you must hear what's being said by the creators for artificial intelligence. | ||
| Let's do that and then bring in Joe. | ||
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At 75, Hinton recently retired after what he calls 10 happy years at Google. | |
| Some of his research led to chatbots like Google's BARD. | ||
| Chatbots are said to be language models that just predict the next most likely word based on probability. | ||
| You'll hear people saying things like, they're just doing autocomplete. | ||
| They're just trying to predict the next word. | ||
| And they're just using statistics. | ||
| Well, it's true they're just trying to predict the next word. | ||
| But if you think about it, to predict the next word, you have to understand the sentences. | ||
| So the idea they're just predicting the next word so they're not intelligent is crazy. | ||
| You have to be really intelligent to predict the next word really accurately. | ||
| The risks are what? | ||
| Well, the risks are having a whole class of people who are unemployed And not valued much, because what they used to do is now done by machines. | ||
| Other immediate risks he worries about include fake news, unintended bias in employment and policing, and autonomous battlefield robots. | ||
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What is a path forward that ensures safety? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't see a path that guarantees safety. | ||
| That we're entering a period of great uncertainty where we're dealing with things we've never dealt with before. | ||
| And normally the first time you deal with something totally novel, you get it wrong. | ||
| And we can't afford to get it wrong with these things. | ||
| Can't afford to get it wrong, why? | ||
| Well, because they might take over. | ||
| Take over from humanity? | ||
| Yes, that's a possibility. | ||
| Why would they want to? | ||
| I'm not saying it will happen. | ||
| If we could stop them ever wanting to, that would be great. | ||
| But it's not clear we can stop them ever wanting to. | ||
| But he says now is the moment to run experiments to understand AI, for governments to impose regulations, and for a world treaty to ban the use of military robots. | ||
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It may be we look back and see this as a kind of turning point, when humanity had to make the decision about whether to develop these things further, and what to do to protect themselves if they did. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I think my main message is There's enormous uncertainty about what's going to happen next. | ||
| These things do understand, and because they understand, we need to think hard about what's going to happen next, and we just don't know. | ||
| That, just tell us Joe, who this person is, because that is probably the most disturbing thing. | ||
| Even with Elon Musk, this is the most disturbing thing. | ||
| This is one of the fathers of artificial intelligence, and this is not 10 years in the future. | ||
| He said this is in the next two years, next 24 months. | ||
| That could be the inflection point. | ||
| And all we know is that this is accelerating at an accelerating rate. | ||
| And particularly given what's happening in Taiwan, in Ukraine, now in Israel, in the Middle East, to think about everything that AI gets involved in, we could literally be hurtling towards Armageddon, sir. | ||
| Steve, that's certainly how they're talking about it in some of the top labs in and around Silicon Valley and Seattle. | ||
| That, of course, was Geoffrey Hinton, so-called godfather of AI, mainly for his work on neural networks. | ||
| And since the panic of earlier this year about AI, he's come out and tried to inform the public about what he believes to be the biggest dangers of AI. | ||
| As you heard there, human displacement is a major part of it. | ||
| Uh, the ideas coming out of these top labs, that includes everyone from Google's DeepMind, to OpenAI in association with Microsoft, to Anthropic now in association with Amazon, and InflectionAI, all of these guys talk about human displacement as an inevitability of what they're working on. They all, as they are creating these artificial intelligences or trying to create artificial general intelligence, | ||
| they believe that they will displace human beings not only in day-to-day tasks, but just in pattern recognition, in knowledge making, in decision making. | ||
| And so, you have Hinton coming out on the alarmist side of it. | ||
| He's trying to sound the alarm, saying that this is going to have a profoundly negative effect on humanity. | ||
| Uh, he's one of the few. | ||
| The rest, even if they admit to the potential for negative effects, they all believe it's fairly inevitable that the good side, uh, will win out. | ||
| And even if it doesn't, they don't even seem to care. | ||
| So when you look at something right now, like the war in Ukraine or the emerging conflict in the Middle East, you might wonder, why is AI not making all of these superior decisions on the battlefield? | ||
| Why don't you see more and more autonomous drones deployed? | ||
| That is actually a really good question, which there are many answers in my own sense of it. | ||
| is that they just simply are not at the level that you could rely on them to make the primary decisions in battle. | ||
| But the intention, 100%, is that they will. | ||
| And I really do think that the outside of economic uses, such as predicting stock markets, or integrating large language models into education and into even psychotherapy, Outside of these sorts of day-to-day things, the real testing ground for whether or not artificial intelligence lives up to both its promises and its threats are going to be on the battlefield. | ||
| Especially in places like Israel, who are really at the forefront of military artificial intelligence just behind the U.S. | ||
| And of course, at the forefront of the manufacturing and designing of drones. | ||
| And they have many programs which could easily turn into the dreaded, fully autonomous lethal weapons that guys like Hinton and others are talking about. | ||
| Let's go back to this, when he talks about this, he talks about they can take over if we don't play this right. | ||
| He says this can happen in the next couple of years. | ||
| Talk to me, because we've always said, hey, it could be ten years away, it could be six or seven years away. | ||
| He's pulling this up into the foreground. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The predictions that are really, really aggressive, such as Hinton's or Elon Musk's or even Greg Brockman now out of OpenAI, maybe, maybe not, but I think that they are pointing to the most extreme circumstance in which AI has somehow managed to take control of an ever more pervasive digital infrastructure, a digital system that we all live in. | ||
| I think that the most immediate threat, though, the one that really needs to be confronted is the threat that AI will be taking over at the lower levels, at the levels that are most going to affect people like us on the ground, normal people, not AI taking over all of the United States, Or AI taking over all of Europe, but AI taking over your job or your child's mind. | ||
| I think those are the sorts of things that are most immediate and are already happening. | ||
| As we've reported extensively, Bill Gates is working to integrate AI into educational systems for one-on-one tutoring. | ||
| You have guys like Ilya Sutskevar out of OpenAI. | ||
| Who believes, and Elon Musk agrees, that AI will be used for superior one-on-one counseling, psychological therapy, in other words, in my perspective, brand washing. | ||
| I think that that, coupled with AI used for the purposes of propaganda, For the purposes of deepfakes and also for the purposes of analyzing the effects of propaganda and deepfakes on the population. | ||
| Those immediate threats already see the displacement of human beings and more and more so as Musk would put it, the ratio of intelligence on the planet Being weighted towards the machines rather than humans. | ||
| I don't think that these guys are going to create a machine intentionally that takes over their jobs. | ||
| But I do believe that they are in the process of creating machines that will take over our jobs. | ||
| Maybe the most important job we have, which is to understand the world and make proper decisions based on that understanding. | ||
| Joe, how'd they get all this in the new book? | ||
| Your book, Dark Aeon, you were down with Tim Poole and the team down in Miami this weekend. | ||
| You're giving speeches all over. | ||
| I want to make sure it's up on the site of where people can get you. | ||
| Yeah, Steve, I tell you what, watching these headlines unfold in the last three months in the wake of the book's completion has been really strange because all of these developments in the technology, and to some extent in the geopolitical realm, they're discussed in the books. | ||
| I try to lay out the frameworks to understand where these technologies are going. | ||
| Not only in day-to-day life, but also in warfare. | ||
| So Dark Aeon, you can find it anywhere books are sold. | ||
| You can find it on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, at the publisher SkyhorsePublishing.com. | ||
| And you can also find it at CanonicXYZ, which we'll get into another time. | ||
| Look into it. | ||
| And you can find my social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z. | ||
| And of course, my website, JoeBot.XYZ. | ||
| Joe, fantastic. | ||
| I look forward to having you back on later in the week. | ||
| Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| So McCarthy's coming in. | ||
| He's going to run for Speaker. | ||
| They're going to try to have a restoration here. | ||
| We need everybody on that. | ||
| Bobby Kennedy announced that he's going to run as an Independent for President. | ||
| He's dropping out of the Democratic, I think, primary. | ||
| He's going to run as Independent. | ||
| President Trump gives an amazing speech in New Hampshire. | ||
| President Trump wants the immediate restoration. | ||
| Of the travel ban, remember the one we've worked on the White House in the first couple of weeks, that was held up by the Supreme Court as being constitutional. | ||
| We have the right to protect ourselves. | ||
| The border people should be focused on is the southern border of the United States of America. | ||
| There's been a massive invasion going on there. | ||
| The Democratic Party and Joe Biden initiated, exacerbated it. | ||
| And now we have, I don't know, between six and 10 million. | ||
| Illegal alien invaders here in the country and they're all over the country. | ||
| We have no earthy idea where they are. | ||
| This is the inspector general of the United States telling us this. | ||
| And we know that there are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of active terrorists in that. | ||
| And Todd Bensman is the one that's done the amazing reporting. | ||
| He wrote the book on this at the beginning. | ||
| So look at the footage of what you're seeing coming out of what you're seeing coming out of Israel. | ||
| I want to leave tonight. | ||
| Sure, we're going to be back tomorrow. | ||
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| Can we finish with Johnny Cash? | ||
| We've got Johnny Cash from the Book of Revelations. | ||
| St. | ||
| John the Evangelist wrote the words, Johnny Cash the music and the song. | ||
| It is when the man comes around. | ||
| Johnny Cash. | ||
| We'll see you back here live tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. | ||
| Everybody won't be treated all the same. | ||
| There'll be a golden ladder reaching down when the man comes around. | ||
| The hairs on your arm will stand up at the terror in each sip and in each suck. | ||
| Will you partake of that last offered cup Or disappear into the potter's ground. | ||
| When the man comes around. | ||
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Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers. | |
| One hundred million angels singing. | ||
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Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum. | |
| Voices calling, voices crying. | ||
| Some are born and some are dying. | ||
| It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come. | ||
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And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree. | |
| The virgins are all trimming their wigs. | ||
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The whirlwind is in the thorn tree. | |
| It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks. | ||
| Till Armageddon, no shalom, no shalom. | ||
| Then the father hen will call his chickens home. | ||
| The wise men will bow down before the throne. | ||
| And at his feet, they'll cast their golden crowns. | ||
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When the man comes around. | |
| Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still. |
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