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Oct. 4, 2023 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 3075: Knives Are Out For The Heroic 8

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unidentified		My colleague says we've passed the strongest border bills in history.
		Well, guess what?
		Look at the border right now.
		We didn't use sufficient leverage in the debt limit or in any other thing to actually get results on the border.
		The border is a disaster.
		Really something I don't think you're going to be campaigning on that you fix the border.
		Second, you said you streamlined regulations.
		What the gentleman from Louisiana doesn't tell you is that all of the regulatory reform he was just bragging about is waivable by the stroke of a pen.
		Of someone in the Biden White House?
		Do you really think you've got anything for that?
		It's a total joke.
		And then finally, the welfare-to-work that the gentleman from Louisiana said we got.
		The welfare programs that they said that they streamlined with their welfare-to-work stuff, they're actually going to grow!
		Because while they did work requirements, they blew out those programs with expanded eligibility.
		I'm real glad you guys didn't put work requirements on Medicaid.
		It probably would have resulted in Medicaid expansion.
		And when it comes to how those raise money, I take no lecture on asking patriotic Americans to weigh in and contribute to this fight from those who would grovel and bend knee for the lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership, who have called boo all you want, who have hollowed out this town and have borrowed against the future of our future generations.
		I'll be happy.
		To fund my political operation through the work of hardworking Americans.
		Ten and twenty and thirty dollars at a time.
		And you all keep showing up at the lobbyist fundraisers and see how that goes for you.
		I reserve.
		Once again, the chair would admonish.
		Biggs.
		Aye.
		Buck.
		Aye.
		Burchett.
		Yes.
		Crane.
		Yes.
		Gates.
		On this vote, the yeas are 216, the nays are 210.
		Rosendale.
		On this vote, the yeas are 216, the nays are 210.
		The resolution is adopted. Without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
		The office of Speaker of the House of the United States House of Representatives is hereby declared vacant.
		I called Nancy Mace's Chief of Staff yesterday.
		And, um... Because I called the Chief of Staff?
		Well, she was on the view saying I didn't keep my word, so I didn't know what to... Listen, um...
		I can't say this in the press, but okay.
		But so I, I, I, I, I, you know.
		You'll keep it among yourselves, right?
		Wait to my book.
		No.
		So I call her Chief of Staff because, I don't know, maybe I don't connect her with something else, but I just said to him, I said, can you please tell me, I don't understand, where have I not kept my word?
		You know what her Chief of Staff said?
		You have kept your word.
		A hundred percent.
		Members come to me, and one thing, I don't like the idea that a member comes and tries to leverage me.
		I don't go for that.
		You know, I'll vote for the bill you do.
		That's not well.
		But if you have a problem with the bill, I want to help you.
		But I can't sit there and write your entire bill and work it all the way through committee.
		We just got our one bill out.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It is Wednesday 4 October in the year of our Lord 2023.
		The day after, the morning after one of the most important days in American political history, for the first time in this republic, a sitting Speaker of the House Was removed by a vote of the House.
		We have two of our honor to have two of the leaders of this revolt with us live in the world today.
		Nancy Mase of South Carolina, of course, Matt Gates of Florida.
		We don't need to relitigate, but I think it's important about going forward because the audience and Warren Posse, the numbers 202-225-3121.
		You've got to be at the ramparts today because K Street, the lobbyists, are coming hard.
		Coming hard for this movement and coming hard for people that stood and stood in the breach yesterday.
		Nancy and Congressman Mace, in your mind, what was yesterday about?
		Because it's a lot of confusion and of course other bigger conservative outlets are putting a spin on this.
		What was yesterday about and why?
		Did you stand up?
		You could hear the audible gasp when this was live.
		It was loud.
		I'm sure you've got a few sidebar comments in there.
		So tell us about what was yesterday.
		Why is it important?
unidentified		Well, this is all about Washington politicians not keeping their word, not keeping their promises.
		And the American people are sick and tired of the BS that goes on up here in Washington.
		And I remember, you know, in 2008, the market was crashing.
		I had a two-year-old and was pregnant with the second kid, starting my own company.
		I could not afford health insurance.
		And COBRA was $1,500 a month for a family of four.
		I remember seeing what was going on in Washington, the same kind of spending, no accountability, no transparency, four powerful men in charge, getting whatever they wanted and screwing the American people.
		And I never thought I would be in Congress.
		And so when I saw this go down, and, you know, watching a former speaker in the conference say, we're going to do things, we're going to follow the law.
		And we have a law that says we're supposed to have a budget and 12 separate spending bills.
		And we didn't follow through.
		The conference, the leadership didn't follow through on that.
		And there was this now emergency, and now we've got to do CR, a CR like we always do.
		That's not what we said we were going to do.
		That's not following the law.
		It's skirting the law and allows four very powerful people to have all the power.
		And it doesn't give power back to the people.
		What we did last night, what happened yesterday was decentralizing that power and giving it back to the people.
		And it's about broken promises.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Listen, before I go to Matt, you were on here, in fact, you were on here, I think, Thursday by Skype from your office.
		You say that he had lied to you on many occasions.
		You also said something quite important, that you're in a swing to a purple district.
unidentified		I am.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But these people are fiscally quite conservative.
unidentified		Yes.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No matter what even their social or cultural leanings are.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe you represented their interest yesterday in that vote?
unidentified		I do.
		I do.
		And it's a very fiscally conservative district.
		It's socially sensible.
		I certainly am not going to make everybody happy, especially those that are part of the establishment.
		The establishment is coming after me.
		I mean, 100% started last night and I need help.
		I'm going to need help to get through this at NancyMace.org because they're coming for me.
		Um, I would say in my district, you know, they, when I express what I did and how I did it, I put a statement out last night talking about this isn't left versus right.
		This is about telling the truth.
		And the next speaker that we have needs to be someone who's not going to let the American people down, who will tell the truth and be honest, even when we disagree, someone who's going to keep their word.
		That's what matters.
		And from South Carolina, when you look a man in the eye and you shake his hand and you keep up your end of the bargain, And he violates that promise?
		There are consequences.
		Like, I just want someone who's going to be honest and tell the truth no matter what.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I think you said it last week, down in your district, your word is your bond.
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		It is.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And so that is what informed your decision yesterday.
		Could you hear the audible gasp?
		And the gasp was even bigger on K Street.
unidentified		Yeah.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Because the lobbyists are, the knives are out.
unidentified		Yeah, the knives are out for me and the other seven that voted for this, but this was a principled vote.
		It was a vote of conscience.
		And it was about, when I was at the Citadel and when I went through that, they teach you about duty, doing the right thing no matter who is watching.
		And I did my American duty to the American people.
		I don't owe anything to DC.
		I don't owe anything to people in Washington.
		I owe South Carolina.
		I owe the people of this country to do the right thing no matter what.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You guys make the argument to the nation and to the party that you're the agents of principle.
		You're standing up for principle.
		Deals that were made, and these deals were made not willy-nilly because you had thought it through of how you get your hands around budgets, how you break the cartel, how the operation.
		You don't do everything in the dark at night with CRs and omnibuses.
		You walk through a whole process, and you two guys also balance budget, all of it.
		Why, answer the critics that are saying that you eight, the hard eight, are actually the agents of chaos and have thrown us into more chaos.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Well, first I want to say, the posse won, and the posse was attacked last night.
		You know, when Garrett Graves stood on the floor and criticized the people in this country who go to NancyMace.org or MacEights.com and donate $10 or $20, what they're trying to say is they're afraid of your collective agency.
		They are worried that your ability to act as a force in American politics can become more important than the big steak dinners and the lobbyist fundraisers and the favors that are traded back and forth with political action committees.
		And so that's heartening.
		But I don't quite understand why so many people characterize our movement as... And by the way, people including the New York Times reporter you have sitting in the corner in the war room right now, when they write about me, they say things like... Kaboom!
		They say things like hardliner.
		The hardliners.
		Ultra-mega.
		Ultra-mega.
		Far-right.
		Far-right.
		And I'm thinking, okay, look at who... Let's talk about this for a moment.
		Okay, Nancy is not a hard right intransigent lawmaker, but our Venn diagram overlaps around spending.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you vote to send me to federal prison for four months?
unidentified		I like the Constitution.
unidentified		I'm a constitutionalist.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's getting hot in here.
unidentified		My appellate lawyer would disagree about that, but that's not appeal.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		But Nancy is a fiscal hawk.
		She's been a fiscal hawk the whole time.
		And to get her to vote for the Limit Save Grow Bill, it was an open secret in this town that Kevin had to agree to bring her bill up for a balanced budget amendment.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Was that the deal?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, he promised the deal to Matt Gaetz, and then he promised it to me.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		He made the same promise to two different people.
		That was the first deal that we were not happy with, the audience on it, but we went along with it.
		That had the one-year, $1.5 trillion deficit.
		We hated it, but said, hey, in the spirit of getting forward, we're okay.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't vote for it, but I can understand that Nancy leveraged her vote to get something that is really important to the American people up for consideration.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And I was heartened by that because Kevin had promised the 20 the same thing.
unidentified		So I thought, well, this is great for the debt ceiling bill.
		I mean, I've negotiated another vote.
		It's like I warned everybody about the debt ceiling bill.
		I warned everyone that Congress was not going to do.
		what they promised they were going to do. And it laid out exactly the way I said it was going.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This was predictable and it was a principle vote. When they came back with the two-year deal, when he came back with the two-year deal, you're saying that the overall vote for the death ceiling?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. I mean it was, it was, that's the original. What's hard right about saying we should follow the law? Like the law requires these single subject spending bills and a budget to be passed.
		What's hard right about saying when you say 72 hours to read the bill, you don't get to waive that to pass a continuing resolution?
		What's hard right about saying something that spends more than $100 million should not go on the suspension agenda where it is not subject to amendment?
		The things I am fighting for are good government.
unidentified		Reasonable things.
		I mean, I'm a centrist.
		I would say small L libertarian, fiscally conservative, socially sensible.
		Matt and I agree on like 98% of the things, but it's not unreasonable to ask Congress just follow the law.
		Law from 1974, the Budget Impact and Control Act says a budget and 12 spending bills.
		Now, Yeah, he and I are not going to agree with leadership or either side of the aisle on the amount they're going to spend.
		They're going to spend way more than we would ever want.
		But you still have a process where the bills are vetted, they're amended, the people have a say through their representative, and then they're voted on the floor, not the CRs and the omnibuses.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		We would vote different ways on some of these amendments.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And there's an interesting ability with more voting and actual legislating for coalitions to form.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		On both sides of the aisle.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And for us to work together.
		And it'll be okay if we take a lot of votes, if we're together on some things, debate against one another on others.
		That's real governing and it never happens here because they delay everything, back you up against shutdown politics, and then just get you to vote for a continuing resolution where the lobbyists are in charge of what's in it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		In fact, what was so illustrative last week in the middle of the night where we're doing these amendments, like, it should be done, each single subject.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you voted for the, controversially, the 18 that voted for the drag queen story.
unidentified		There were no drag queens mentioned, but if you're gay and you're willing to take a bullet for our country, I don't care how you celebrate Pride.
unidentified		I don't.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And my point is, you voted for that.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		On your own time, and you're going to die in my house.
unidentified		Yes, there was no government funding of it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The coalition comes together on different aspects.
		People argue, we only get a couple minutes in this segment, People said, hey, this thing by June or July, you knew this was a problem because the subcommittees essentially finished their work and you couldn't move forward.
		Two and a half months later, you returned to the city and he says, you can't shut down the government because you're not going to get the impeachment process.
		And we got it.
		And you guys then forced the hand to jam it through.
		Could this been avoided if people had stood up back in July and said, hey, this is ridiculous.
		You're trying to jam us again on the CR.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		The fairest criticism is that we waited too long, but this is the most blunt instrument we could use.
		None of us came to this decision lightly.
		This weighed heavy on all of us.
unidentified		And it still weighs heavy on all of us, which is, you know, when you have people coming after you, it's important to get support, that the grassroots show their support at mattgates.com and nancymace.org.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon, but they're coming after you particularly because they did not expect that here.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So that gas was And on K Street, I heard they went absolutely nuts.
unidentified		Yeah, but I promise when I got elected, I was not, I didn't come here to tow the party line.
		I came here to do the right thing for the American people and for South Carolina.
		And it comes at a price sometimes.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's take a short commercial break.
		We're in return.
		We have two of the architects and the heroes of yesterday.
		We're going to talk about where do we go?
		How do we go forward?
		We're also going to talk about Ukraine.
		A lot of discussion is that it's going to be quite difficult to get any funding, as you know, where the We're not particularly enthusiastic about having an open southern border, an invasion of this country, and we're focused on sending, what, $113 billion?
		Another $80 billion they want to send this year to the fight over the eastern Russian-speaking border of Ukraine.
		Short commercial break.
		break back in the warm in a moment.
unidentified		Stephen K Band.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back.
		We're in the War Room on a day.
		We got to talk about how we go forward here.
		Just gonna give you a heads up.
		This is what, when Nancy Mace and Matt Gaetz talk about fiscal responsibility, when they talk about the crisis the country's in, 30-year mortgage highest, I think, in 15 or 20 years.
		8% today.
		10-year treasury.
		If we've taught the audience, the 10-year treasury kind of guides your life.
		Almost 5%.
		That's a 500 basis point increase from when President Trump was president, and it's crushing everybody.
		60 to 70% of the American people live paycheck to paycheck.
		How do they gap that?
		A credit card.
		APR credit cards right now are 27%.
		And interest rates are going higher.
		Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JP Morgan, said yesterday he thinks rates are going to go to... Fed rates are going to go to 7%.
		That's 150 basis points.
		That will crush you.
		It will crush you, your family.
		In fact, the student debt situation...
		And we're anti-paying off anybody's student debt.
		But Biden and delaying it, the first payments they had are at the new higher interest rates.
		I mean, these people paying off the student debts and the credit cards.
		If you're under 40 years old, you are a Russian serf.
		You don't own anything and you're not going to own anything.
		And you're going to live as a debt slave the rest of your life.
		That's the fiscal crisis this country has.
		Why do conservative media, why do they still not get it?
		They're saying it's all about nothing, there's personal grudges, we can't understand what they're talking about, these arcane rules.
		Why is it you think people can't, on our side of the football, I mean, yesterday, You were magnificent and good and big, good going through his personal journey.
		The counterside, I'm sitting there going, it's like RNC talking points.
		I mean, they were just, we're the most successful, we've done more, and they talk about a couple of messaging bills.
unidentified		One of the least productive congresses we've had in recent history.
		And it's not arcane to follow the law, have a budget, have the spending bills.
		Anyway, I misspoke on the last segment.
		the debt ceiling bill. That's when I negotiated the balanced budget amendment, not knowing you had already negotiated the same kind of deal because the debt ceiling bill was crap before that. And I negotiated and got something out of it because I said we have to change the way we do business in Washington. Does the leadership believe that this is, do they understand what these interest rates mean on a 30-year mortgage?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		8%?
unidentified		8%!
unidentified		You can't!
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The market is already... By the way, we've had fewer mortgage originations since 1994 right now.
		It's going to get worse.
		Young people can't form the capital and make the monthly payment.
		You're going to have a whole generation that are not homeowners.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And it's impacting family formation.
		I know a lot of millennials who would love to have a family, but the debt that they are in, the interest rates that they are facing, at times the house they can't leave, the starter home that becomes the forever home because of rising interest rates, this is really impacting whether or not families are formed in our country.
		What could be more important than that?
		So this is about spending.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Does leadership understand that we're in a financial crisis and you can't go along and cut these type of deals like the debt ceiling deal?
unidentified		Well, they didn't before, they do now.
		After last night.
		You think so?
		Well, after last night, after the motion to vacate.
		But I'll tell you, a couple weeks ago, I took the kids to the grocery store when we had district work period in August.
		And I told the kids, meat, fruit, and vegetables, no junk food.
		Almost $500.
		And so for a family of four, over the course of a month, that's about $2,000 in groceries.
		That's before even going out to eat.
		And I'm like, the average family, you cannot afford that.
		And no one is addressing it.
		You have a budget, you have 12 spending bills that can be vetted and amended and be more responsibly put together and have the people have a voice.
		It'll get better.
		And that's what we forced last night.
		We forced that last night.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, hold on.
		Let me present.
		I hope that's true.
		I really hope what Nancy said is true.
		I worry that there is another economic condition that predominates over these challenges of the American family.
		Kevin McCarthy was expected to raise another $300 million for Republican campaign coffers between now and the upcoming election.
		And one of the largest questions for a lot of members in frontline districts is, well, who's going to go raise that money now?
		Who is going to ensure that we have the resources to campaign?
		I mean, I live in a district where, you know, the primary is sometimes more competitive than the general.
		And when I was hearing what it costs you to run a campaign- Six million dollars every two years.
		It was shocking to me.
		I mean, that is a huge sum of money.
unidentified		It's a huge sum of money.
		And running a campaign in Charleston, South Carolina is like running one in New York.
		And in some cases, more expensive.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And we can't win the majority without these districts.
unidentified		I won by one point when I came into Congress.
unidentified		One by one point.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You people in the last week after you shot the first TR, it was 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning, and we were live on Getter.
		We had 25, 30, 40,000 people watching that time of the morning, these debates.
		Why are you not here?
		What's the mentality of leadership to say, go home?
		Why didn't you immediately go into?
unidentified		I agree with Matt on this.
		We should have kept working.
		I mean, there's some misinformation out there.
		We can continue investigations right now.
		We can have committee hearings.
		We can't do floor work, but we can continue the committee process right now.
		We could be electing a speaker today or tomorrow.
		We could be working this week and I would stay up here and get it done and move us forward as rapidly as possible.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Was this an establishment ploy to let K Street regroup and think through what they're going to do?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		everybody out of town. What happened was such a shock to the system. Everyone needed to go home and have a good cry and do the hand wringing and the bed wetting. But, you know, I agree with Nancy.
		We have to keep our focus now on the mission. Do not allow the posse to get punch drunk as if we have we have achieved the summit. No, no, no, no. We got to be at the right place.
		There should be plenty of people, you know, that could fill the spot immediately.
		that power vacuum in this country, unlike we have seen in my lifetime, really.
		And that we want that to be filled with people who will hold to the spending guard rails and hold to their word with all members.
		And I really, really think that's the problem that we have this power vacuum.
unidentified		There should be plenty of people, you know, that could fill the spot immediately.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And you know, so we could be having candidate for.
		Like today, we could have people, you know, in conference saying, here's my vision, right?
		We could have, we could be having our appropriations committee, getting every single one of those 12 bills in order, ready for the floor.
unidentified		We could do it right now.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And they're not doing it because, because they're more worried about how to absorb the shock to the system than they are the actual moving forward of the agenda and, and the priorities of the American people in some cases.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They're starting in January, actually started before that, but let's say in January when you went, it was a set of principles.
		The debate galvanized, and the 14 rounds galvanized the nation to watch, but even people were sitting there, it was about a toolbox, right?
		Are those principles still the guiding light of what you guys are fighting for today?
		Is that still, as we go through the process of selecting a speaker, is it the individual that's more important, Are the ability to trust them on their word that they will follow the set of principles that we need to address the fiscal crisis in this country?
unidentified		It's both.
		It's someone who will stay true to their word to the American people and also follow the law.
		It's not, I mean, we're just asking Congress, just follow the law.
		I mean, we're gonna agree to disagree on any number of issues.
		Sometimes we're together, sometimes we're not.
		Sometimes the other side wins, sometimes we do.
		But we're just asking folks, the leadership, to just follow the law and keep their promises.
		I mean, it's time to stop breaking promises to the American people, and that's what it's about.
		And being responsible with how we spend our nation's money.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to get... Yeah, go ahead.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Because we want single-subject spending bills and a budget, we are deemed the agents of chaos.
unidentified		That's crazy.
unidentified		Anarchists is what they call us.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		What I heard last night, they were working internally about a rules package that's going to be... They said they're never going to put themselves in this situation again.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They will never put themselves in a situation where, according to the New York Times, the ultra-mega Hard right, right?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		I've got a message for all of the establishment Republicans who think they're changing the rules.
		You don't have the votes no matter who the speaker is, right?
		So all these mods who are saying like, oh, well, we want the one person motion to vacate to go away to vote for X, Y, or Z for speaker.
		The problem is they will never get to 218 on that.
		So let's focus.
		I think Nancy's right.
		You want an honest person.
		You want a person that has a vision that can help people get elected in districts that are very purple, but that also inspire the folks who are making the phone calls, making the donations, and really, you know, driving our country to a more prosperous place.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Let's not just pick those up, but we probably left 20 on the table in 22.
		You're saying to pick those up also.
		How do you do that without Kevin McCarthy's $300 million?
		Well, I think that if we do a better job... By the way, Garrett Graves held your phone up.
		You're getting, what, your average donation is $13, $14 from the posse?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Thirty-eight is our average donation.
		Thirty-eight dollars.
		And happy for every penny.
		I don't think there's any amount too small.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Because you don't take corporate money.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You don't take lobbyist money, right?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		But I think going forward, we need that great combination like Nancy talked about.
		We need to see people emerge.
		I guess we're seeing breaking news that Jim Jordan's about to announce a bid.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Jake Sherman, I think, has done a good job over at Punchbowl.
		He's saying Scalise is going to be a bold challenger, but Jim Jordan is inching, his people are saying he's inching towards a speaker's bid.
		Right, so you have two prominent... I mean, Scalise would be naturally the... That would be the logical order if you wanted the same apparatus to run you, that leadership team.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think we would want to hear their vision.
unidentified		I'm not going to speak for Matt, but I think we've talked about it.
		We're both open to who the next speaker is.
		I mean, we're not asking for a lot.
		I mean, just being responsible and telling the truth.
		That bar, that's the low bar.
		I mean, that's, you know, bare minimum.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Can we get one more block out of you guys, or you got a punch?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Can we start?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		I think I'm good.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fine.
		What, what happens if people don't come back?
		This is going to wait till Tuesday.
		Are you guys, they're sending you up to get blamed for another CR.
		They're going to come back and say after the speaker.
unidentified		Oh, they started that immediately.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So are you, are you, have you, according to a certain conservative news network, you guys are guaranteeing we're going to have omnibus.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		What's your response to that?
unidentified		Well, no.
		This didn't have to happen.
		This didn't have to go down this way.
		We've had all year to do this.
		But it did go down.
		They did four.
		They did 70%.
		70% of the government's budget we did in a week.
		So we have 30% left to do.
		It can be done in the next two weeks.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		What the argument was, it was the fourth quarter and the coaches stay in.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Do you buy that argument?
unidentified		Manufactured crisis.
unidentified		To do a CR.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		In what world is the first 48 hours of the new CR?
		You just passed the fourth quarter.
		I'm dying for someone to explain that to me.
unidentified		We have 45 days.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		The reason we didn't wait and let this languish is because we understand we're on the clock for 45 days.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		So I went right in on Monday, we ripped the band-aid off, had the vote, and we're ready to go, we're ready to work, and it's disappointing that our colleagues aren't here.
unidentified		We're not hitting pause on the committee work.
unidentified		We're here to work.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
		The two congressmen have agreed to stay for another block.
		Short commercial break.
		Back, we're going to talk about the way forward, the narrow path to the Sunlit Uplands.
		It's all out there in front of us.
		We're going to have to do some tough work.
		We've got a couple of tough people here in the war room who are going to show us how we're going to lead us to the Sunlit Uplands.
unidentified		Back in a moment.
		Can we get there?
		Let's take down the CCP!
		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, welcome back.
		Can we get there?
		They're going to blame the next CR on you guys.
		So we're what?
		We've got 40 days now or 43 days.
		You haven't picked a speaker.
		The Senate hasn't done anything.
		Where are we in that process?
		How can we represent the people that are out there that have your back on the fiscal crisis side that you can actually help organize this thing and then move forward quickly?
unidentified		Well, we have just under 45 days to be able to do that.
		We just did four appropriations bills, four spending bills.
		That was 70% of government funding in like two weeks.
		So we've got plenty of time to get the last 30% of the government funded over the next 40 or so days.
		It can be done.
		If there's a will, there's a way.
		And as we were just talking about, this is an opportunity for us to be united and strong and have the wind at our backs going into the next spending fight.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		We've got to get over the French work week.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		We can't do this, you know, show up on Tuesday, leave on Thursday or Friday morning.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They do that because they want a set of crises, right, that has, that has... It's slowing down the process.
unidentified		We could be here right now.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They use, they use those, uh, those stops as to force you into just do CRs, do omnibus.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't want stuff like this to happen, because if we have the various thoughts throughout the conference and the various people meeting together and talking together, the leadership becomes less powerful.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		So the whole strategy has been, you know, not allow the collaboration that would allow the membership's viewpoint to really predominate over, you know, what the people who donate the most money to the leadership would say.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But there's a, if the rest of these bills are done, Right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And they come out.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		They're knocked on.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I'm saying the rest of the appropriations committee.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Why isn't the appropriations committee meeting this week to get every single one of these bills in order?
unidentified		They could meet today.
		I mean, they could meet today.
		One of the lies being told right now is that everything has to come to a halt.
		It doesn't.
		The appropriations committee can meet today.
		Oversight could meet today.
		Judiciary could meet today.
		We could have another impeachment inquiry hearing today, but instead they've hit pause.
		We don't have to do that.
		We can move forward right now on the spending bills and get this over with.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		When you get these spending bills... That is the most important point that has been made on this program that Nancy just made.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		They did this to regroup because they're in a state of shock.
		They never thought that you could hurt it when they gasped when you took your vote.
		The K Street guys, the lobbyists, the cartel is regrouping.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		The nerve of these establishment Republicans to have to take a week to go have a good cry and then blame us for being the reason that we can't get the work done.
		All we want to do is the work.
		We had to oust Kevin McCarthy because he was a barrier to completing that work, and now everybody's got to go take a, you know, a seven-day pause.
		It is not just.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Looking downrange, when the Senate comes back with theirs, they haven't done any work yet.
		When they come back with their appropriations, the bid and the ask on those two bills on appropriations is going to be a pretty big gap.
		That negotiation itself.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Well, that negotiation is going to come down to, are you willing to take more conservative policy in exchange for a higher spending number?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Right.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		And look, Chuck Schumer has 70% of the spending bills in his inbox right now.
		Those negotiations could happen.
		We voted for the DOD appropriations.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Veterans.
unidentified		Veterans.
unidentified		We voted to give a pay raise to our military.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You could actually be in Congress right now on those bills themselves.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Oh, 100%.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Even if the Senate didn't pass bills, They could come and conference our veterans bill and our defense bill.
		By the way, they've done that in the past.
		The Senate has been willing to come and conference a bill when they haven't passed one and conference off the House bill.
		So let's get to the business of doing that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So the apparatus is holding that back and the purpose is they want to omnibus.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		They want to jam into the end of the year.
unidentified		The establishment is trying to force that by the end of this thing.
unidentified		That's why, I mean, why else would they not be here doing the work of the people right now?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying they're delaying on purpose.
		You guys today would call everybody back, everybody get to work on the appropriations.
		But you're also talking about impeachment.
		Let's talk about it in a second.
		The arguments they made yesterday, most successful, we've got government, you know, the government weaponization, we've got the COVID, we've got oversight.
		We played your highlight.
		When Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobiec in a five or six hour impeachment hearing, the only clip they put out Was your clip that tells me probably not a great day and you were spectacular, but you know, talk to me about that.
unidentified		I'm going to take that as I'm going to take that as a compliment.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We played it a couple times because there was nothing else to show is is the impeachment going to get or with this change in leadership.
		Because I'm hearing from my sources that Kevin McCarthy and that team around him purposely held back judiciary, purposely held back oversight.
		This is the reason we don't have subpoenas.
		You've been over Treasury a number of times.
		You said it's 40, 50 million.
		You said the sex trafficking portfolio on Hunter is that big.
unidentified		Millions of dollars.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Millions of dollars.
unidentified		And I'm not, I'm like, I'm accused of being a conspiracy theorist, but all the whistleblowers have verified that it existed and he was trying to write it off on his taxes.
		So the problem is, previously yesterday, conservatives were told one thing about impeachment.
		Mods were told, moderates were told another thing.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So again... Hold on, hang on for a second.
		Explain that.
		What do you mean by that?
unidentified		Well, I mean, conservatives were guaranteed an impeachment.
unidentified		Moderates were guaranteed there would be no impeachment.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And so that is... Moderates were actually told there was going to be no impeachment.
unidentified		Correct.
		Yes.
		And so that's why it's so important for the next speaker to be honest, someone that we can trust, who will tell us the truth, even when we disagree, someone that we can depend on and know we're going to get the truth out of this individual.
		So I want us to follow the evidence and wherever it leads us.
		In those investigations, we could have another impeachment inquiry hearing right now, today, this week and move forward, but we're not.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you keep the contradictory promises of there will be an impeachment and there won't be an impeachment?
		Start an impeachment and then neuter that impeachment of the tools necessary for it to be successful That seems to be what Kevin McCarthy's regime did because they were not look I am a litigator Okay, I have done complex class action cases.
		I've done cases that involve a whole lot of financial documents you have to get The paper moving immediately and you have to start sending the subpoenas because you need a duration of time to litigate those and at times change the scope of your requests, negotiate guardrails on testimony.
		This stuff happens all the time but we haven't even begun the process and I compare that to the systematized, regimented, disciplined way that the January 6th committee pursued everyone with great vigor that they had any interest in and you know we have got to have a moment of reflection about where we stand with our oversight in the impeachment matter.
		I agree.
		Nancy did a great job.
		I think Byron Donaldson did a great job in that hearing as well.
		But I mean, we weren't sending our best.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Do we have subpoenas already going?
		Are there things that can help that investigation move rapidly with a change in leadership?
		Or are we really starting at the beginning?
		Because the details and the facts that were laid out the other day, we've known so much of this from you coming on the show and from us reporting it and being the laptop from hell.
		Are there subpoenas?
		Is this going to get serious with not just a change in leadership, but a mentality on the committees?
unidentified		I'm not going to speak for the chairman, but I'll tell you, I do believe the subpoenas are ready to go.
		And it's a matter of when we're going to do this.
		But I want, I want every whistleblower in oversight.
		I want witnesses.
		And most importantly, I want the bookkeeper because the bookkeeper knows where all the bodies are buried and will be able to connect the dots.
		As the Ukrainians said, the executive said, it was such a complex web of money laundering.
		It'll take 10 years for the federal government to figure it out.
		And so that bookkeeper to me is going to be the key to the entire puzzle, and that's who I want to have next.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's like the movie The Untouchables.
		The bookkeeper is the guy who keeps all the secrets.
		Real quickly, we've only got time.
		Ukraine.
		This came down.
		Ukraine was a big deal about this.
		There's all types of – in the capitals of the world, they're saying, hey, is the U.S.
		going to cut off money to Ukraine?
		Can Ukraine go for it?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Well, I give a tremendous amount of credit to Marjorie Taylor Greene, because she crowbarred $300 million to Ukraine away from the defense funding bill, and she demanded an individual vote on that money, and she got that vote.
		And when that vote occurred, there were 101 Republicans who supported that money to Ukraine, 117, including the two of us, who opposed that additional money to Ukraine.
		And so now, Funding for Ukraine has lost the support of the majority of the majority.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Will that be key to a new leader?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		That they're going to have to guarantee the Hastert rule?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, since Denny Hastert, the rule has been you don't roll a majority of the majority with Democrats on a policy bill like that.
		And then Kevin McCarthy did it.
		With the last Ukraine money.
		And then if you believe Joe Biden and even some of the background reporting that came out of the Republican leadership offices, Kevin McCarthy had made another side deal on Ukraine, despite the fact that the Hastert rule had been broken.
		So we were there early against the funding of this conflict.
		And I think it says something about the quality of our arguments and also the American people being the leading indicator that now the lagging indicator of Congress has caught up.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		With the appropriations not being done, are you going to say the House shouldn't take up any of these supplementals whatsoever that should be outside the process, past the budget, past the appropriations?
unidentified		I'm against any and all supplementals at this point.
		I mean, again, I called it in May during the debt ceiling fight.
		I said they're going to try to end run around the spending with emergency supplementals.
		They'll create and manufacture an emergency crisis to do an omnibus, a minibus, another CR.
		And supplementals, that is what they always do.
		But we have got to disrupt that cycle.
		We have to do what's right for the American people.
		The American people have been begging for single subject up or down votes on spending for decades.
		And we have a huge opportunity to show the American people we're serious about it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying it's all got to go in there.
		It can't be later, any supplementals where they get hundreds of billions of dollars.
		No, just do it.
unidentified		Just follow the law and do the right thing.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		Spend more money now with the expectation of cuts later is how we got to this place.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		And we're kind of done betting on the come.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Um, we got a couple of minutes.
		They're coming after you like nobody's business.
		I mean, they've been coming after him and Rosendale and these guys, but that's... You, they're coming after hard, because they never expected that.
		And that rattled their narrative, that this is only a bunch of super hard right people.
		You're known as a moderate... Maverick.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more of a maverick base.
unidentified		But I told people when I got elected, I would not toe the party line when I disagree.
		When I agree with Republicans, I will support them.
		And when I disagree, I'm going to call them out.
		I have always been that way.
		I do need help because they're coming after me.
		So if you can go to NancyMace.org and chip in a dollar or $13 or whatever it is, but they've threatened to dry up all my money.
		What do you mean you're threatened?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Talk about how that works.
unidentified		Oh, gosh.
		Well, I mean, I've had multiple members previous to the vote last night threatened to withhold fundraising if I took this vote.
		And to me, this was principled as a conscience.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		People don't understand what the pressure is.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Talk about what's the pressure?
unidentified		It's a huge amount of pressure.
		And then, you know, like the former speaker called my staff rather than call me and I didn't have to be able to do that or man up to do it.
		But then they call your staff and they scare them.
		And then, you know, everyone is sort of frightened and scurrying around.
		I was like, no, we're going to do the right thing no matter what.
		That is what I promise the American people.
		But now we're for real.
		I mean, they are making huge threats to us because I'm anti-establishment.
		I came here saying I'm not going to follow the party line.
		And I'm actually doing it.
		And there are grave repercussions for it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		What's the way forward?
		Give me a minute on that.
		What's the way forward here?
unidentified		Well, we want to, I'm going to talk to anyone who wants to be speaker.
		I'm going to sit down with them and have that conversation and, and feel them out.
		Are they going to commit to the promises that were made to the conference earlier this year?
		Are they going to commit to those things, being responsible, following the law?
		And are they going to be honest?
		Because we need someone who isn't going to go back So you're taking a principle stand.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Back to the original principles that are guaranteed in this country and anything in Congress and somebody that can look you in the eye, like in South Carolina, your word, your bond.
unidentified		Even when we disagree, it's okay.
		We're all adults here.
		We can have that debate.
		We can agree to disagree and move on.
		I don't want to be lied to anymore.
		I'm done with that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		One more.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's social media and how they get to you.
unidentified		Nancy Mace.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If they want to hit you with a $10 bill.
unidentified		Well, online, the handle is Nancy Mace and the website is nancymace.org.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Where do we go from here?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		We have to keep the momentum.
		We have to understand what chapter we're in in the book.
		We're not at the end.
		It's not time to fold it up and put it away.
		We now have to continue to drive these shared policy goals.
		And I think we need to listen, too.
		You know, in the coming days, I'm not going to be out there trying to force a particular candidate down anyone's throat.
		I want to hear a vision, and I want to be inspired.
		And you know what, Steve?
		There's some providence in this as well.
		And my wife is a former worship leader.
		And when I got home last night and I was going through, could this person do it or that person do it?
		She says, the Bible has all these stories of, in these moments of providence, leaders emerge.
		And sometimes they come from, you know, places you don't expect.
		And sometimes people become a version of themselves that they were not before because the time calls for it.
		And so there's a part of this that I think is defined by providence.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Real quickly, where do people go to your site?
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		MattGates.com.
matt gaetz ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate everyone being a part of the fight and I'm at Matt Gates and at Rep Matt Gates everywhere on the internet.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		A day in history yesterday that will not be forgotten for a long time.
		Massive tectonic plate shift here in the imperial capital.
		We're going to take a short commercial break.
		Thank you.
		Two guys, quite heroic and incredibly dramatic.
		So, good luck.
		It's going to be very tough.
		The fight's just starting.
		Congressman Nancy Mesa, South Carolina and Matt Gates of Florida.
		We'll be back after a short commercial break.
		For the War on Posse, up to the ramparts, 202-225-3121, take the list, call and give an attaboy to the patriots that stood in the breach.
		And also, particularly in the red districts, In these MAGA districts, if you could please make a phone call and just, you know, put a query out there.
		Particularly when you saw the really feeble defense of the McCarthy rule, the McCarthy reign yesterday by, you know, all these 10 speakers that said nothing, just talking points, Murdoch News talking points.
		We're joined now by Congressman Matt Rosenthal from Montana.
		Sir, can you tell us about, where do you think we are now?
		Given that we know the establishment has sent you, why are you guys sent home?
		I don't understand.
		Shouldn't we be doing appropriations bills right now?
		Shouldn't we be doing the impeachment hearing, another impeachment hearing again today?
		In Montana, is this the way you folks work out in Montana?
unidentified		No.
matt rosendale ▲ ● ▼		We stay until the job is done.
		It doesn't matter what hour of the day or night.
		We stay until the job is done.
		And quite frankly, that's the most disappointing part of all of this.
		It's like there is absolutely no reason that we can't continue this work.
		It's like these guys are looking for any reason to delay the appropriations process, Steve.
		This is one of the major reasons That we ended up removing McCarthy yesterday because he, I truly believe, intentionally delayed the appropriations process that was supposed to be complete on June 30, the Budget Act of 1974.
		June 30, we are supposed to complete the appropriation bill so that we can transfer them over to the Senate so that before we get to the September 30 deadline for the fiscal year, that we've been able to develop those 12 appropriation bills and show the public transparently and responsibly how we're going to fund government.
		Every state legislature does it.
		And there's no reason that we cannot do it.
		And so, yeah, I'd like to stay here and continue that process.
		Because guess what?
		45 days is going to roll around really quick.
		Everybody's going to be thinking about turkey dinner and Thanksgiving.
		And there we are going to be at the end of yet another continuing resolution.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You know, the big platforms in conservative media today are calling you guys arsonists, agents of chaos.
		These are people that call themselves conservatives, are coming after you and the rest of the hard 8 that really led this revolution and stood in the breach yesterday, saying you're anything but conservatives.
		Do you have a response to that?
matt rosendale ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
		I really don't care to be lectured by people that have spent 20 years or more around this city and have managed the $33 trillion national debt that we're facing right now to lecture me about how we should be running things.
		I think maybe we should give the guys that are just getting here the ability to try and make some changes and do it a different way.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		So where do we go from here?
		I think now Jim Jordan announced, his people are announcing that he's going to run for Speaker.
		Scalise is out there.
		There's other names popping up.
		You could have a half a dozen.
		I'm not asking you to choose a side here or a tribe, but how do you see this thing unfolding?
		Since the establishment sent everybody home, I know the audience finds this unbelievable, till Tuesday.
		That means there's going to be some sort of lengthy or at least some sort of speaker fight.
		And then before you guys can get back to work with the clock ticking on the 47 days before you not only have to pass it yourself, you have to sit down with the Senate.
		You actually have to get an agreed upon budget and agreed upon appropriations bill.
		How do you see this thing unfolding?
matt rosendale ▲ ● ▼		So one thing I will tell you is I'm really, really pleased that now that the king is gone, That people are raising their hands and saying that they're interested in the position.
		This is where we were back in January.
		We couldn't keep everyone together to stop negotiating long enough to gather some more people to push those votes and keep Kevin McCarthy from becoming speaker.
		And until that happened, folks were not willing to put their hand up because they knew that the retribution that would probably be imposed upon them was more than they could stand.
		And now we have been able to get him removed and there's a lot of people sitting their hands up.
		That's great.
		There will not be a coronation.
		There will be a discussion, a debate.
		And the number one characteristic and trait that I'm looking for is someone who's trustworthy.
		Okay, someone who's committed, principled individual that when they have a discussion with the conference and they say, this is what we're going to do.
		And they're in the conference room with us in private, that when they go in and speak with Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer or President Biden, that guess what?
		They tell them the same thing.
		And then they have the intestinal fortitude to stick with that.
		And the country will be much better served.
		And so that's the first thing that I'm looking for in the next speaker.
		And that will make this process go better.
		I also think everybody needs to think about this.
		The vast majority of our work has been done.
		We're talking about 70% of the appropriation bills of the funding, not the bills themselves, but the number, okay?
		We're looking at, and when you throw in the mandatory spending that they have shifted over to the side that nobody really gets to work on, we're left with about $400 billion of the $6.7, $6.9 trillion in spending.
		We're left with about $400 billion that needs to be addressed and appropriated in those remaining eight bills.
		There is no reason that we can't get that wrapped up in a few weeks' time.
		No reason whatsoever.
		And get this over to the Senate, and then we're going to need to have some, again, intestinal fortitude, commitment to say, this is what we will and what we will not accept.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Congressman Gates, can you hang on for a second or take a short commercial break here?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Rosendale!
matt rosendale ▲ ● ▼		I'm the handsome one!
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Rosendale, I'm sorry.
		We've got a couple more questions.
		Particularly, certain conservative news organizations are making the accusations that the constituents, this is too complicated for them, they really don't understand these details, it's too much in the weeds.
		So I want to, when we return from commercial break, I want to ask you about that and the folks out in Montana who have been, you know, great followers of the show and a big part of our audience.
		We're going to take a short break.
		Congressman Matt Rosendale from Montana is with us.
		We're going to leave at this hour with Billy Joe Shaver.
		Get thee behind me, Satan.
		Couldn't be a better theme song for this week, could it?
		We're going to return for the second hour of the War Room and it will be as explosive and lit As our one, we're getting the inside baseball of the implosion of the lobbyists in K Street in the Imperial Capitol.
		All next in The War Room.
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		I knew inside my soul I was headed straight for hell.
		But I couldn't for my life figure out how to help myself.
		And I said,

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